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February 3, 2023 3:13 pm

Rich reacts to the disrespect shown to Eagles Head Coach Nick Sirianni by New York Giants Safety Julian Love and explains why Philadelphia is a legit good team.

Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio tells Rich why Fox Sports has a big conundrum with Tom Brady’s retirement possibly forcing Greg Olsen out of the #1 game analyst spot, why Aaron Rodgers to the Jets could happen and what it would take to get a deal done with the Packers, if the Raiders are more likely to cut Derek Carr or find a trade partner for the quarterback, and what’s holding up a Lamar Jackson long-term contract with the Baltimore Ravens.

Rich explains why Derek Carr might be the NFL player with the biggest chip on his shoulder next season.

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That's 877-ASK-DELL. This is The Rich Eisen Show. Have you ever been that hot in Las Vegas? Not that hot.

It's probably why I'm going somewhere else. Live from The Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Devante Adams has asked in his Twitter, where's Aaron Rodgers' neighborhood next year? And he wrote, mine. Today's guest, host of Peacock's Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio, Texans head coach, Demic O'Ryan, comedian and former Minnesota Senator Al Franken. Now it's Rich Eisen.

That's right. We're all over the map here on this Friday before Pro Bowl weekend. Yes, it's the Pro Bowl weekend where wide receivers are catching water balloons. And it's actually, it's a lot of fun watching these Pro Bowl games.

We've got ourselves a fun Friday show here. Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, joining us in about 20 minutes time. Demic O'Rions, he's the new head coach of the Houston Texans, middle of the second hour. Al Franken, we are putting partisan talk aside, folks.

Okay. We're going to be talking comedy Saturday Night Live. This is the guy who used to be Stuart Smalley and handled baggage with Clarence Beaks in a gorilla suit once upon a time on Trading Places. There'll be lots of fun talk with the Minnesota Vikings fan and our number three.

There's you at 844-204-RICH being the number to dial here on this show. Chris Brockman, I hope to do you proud later on. Well, I've got a power rankings list. And it's the power rankings of Tom Brady's 10 best moments of his stellar career. Only just 10?

That's what a power ranking is, right? Yeah, there's been so many. And you got to leave some on the floor. And I think I've got it. One that's probably not on it, but it was a game that I was at. Remember when he juked Ehrlacher on like a Sunday Night Football back in 06?

That did not make the list. I was at that game. You were at that game. They must have lost then. No, Brady even overcame your power of the cooler.

Wow. Is that what it was? I was at the five touchdown game in Buffalo in 07, all right? There was no losing that season. There was no losing that season.

By the way, it's 15 years ago today, the helmet catch that actually hung the first loss of the season on the New England Patriots that day in the Super Bowl. I know. Where's Sky Judge then?

Good to see you, DJ Mikey D's and D's Nuts. That was actually a catch. Where was Sky Judge to what?

Sky Judge for all the holdings. Oh, I see what you're saying. Or I thought, where was Sky Cam for Eli's ball to hit the wire? Good to see you over there, TJ Jefferson.

How are you in the corner, sir? I mean, I was at that Tyree catch game. I was too. You know, I didn't want to be there because I was mad the Cowboys didn't make it to the Super Bowl, but I was there. Suzie was there. You know what else was there? Zander was there because she was pregnant with Zander.

Oh, right. At that game. She was baking them. She was indeed. We were all there. We were all there.

And we didn't even know each other. And we're going back there. Yeah.

By the way, it's Arizona. That's what took place. Is that a full circle moment? I guess it is. Look at us.

I guess it is. And Brady might be going back there as part of the broadcast team if he shows up. Right.

So that's later on all together. We just need Tyree to come. We need Tyree to come. I think he's not invited, according to you. Chris, you don't want to see him? Here's the deal. Dave Tyree went to Syracuse, and I used to see that dude all the time in the cafeteria.

Are you serious? I didn't know that. We were classmates. That's why he's not so upset.

That's why I'm not like that mad, because it was like cool for him. Did you bust his tray for him once? Nah, we shared a taco once. Okay.

You mean he ate half and you finished it, or? Nah, I'm just married. Okay. Very good.

But he is an orange. 844-204, rich number to dial. Mike Flora is going to join us with everything else that we're still waiting to hear for hire in Arizona, hire in Indianapolis. What is going on? Are they waiting for somebody to be done with the Super Bowl? Could they possibly be targeting somebody on the staffs of Kansas City or Philadelphia? So we'll talk with him about that and everything else going on in the National Football League.

844-204, rich being the number to dial here today. I do want to start with the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean... We're not talking about them, really. Well, I mean, look, they don't have Mahomes on the team. They got the next best thing. I do agree. True.

So far, in 2021, in 2022, 21 is when he began to start to ascend. Yeah, this year he's been amazing. He's been a breakout star in Jalen Hurts.

Yeah, absolutely. And as you know, the Philadelphia fans and the Philadelphia players are looking for any reason to put the dog masks back on. Like they did in their championship year with Nick Foles when they were the one seed. They hosted every NFC playoff game that they could. And they made the Super Bowl and they were taking on the Patriots.

And Tom Brady, and outside of Joe Burrow's style of play and cool demeanor, Mahomes is the hot quarterback of the moment. The first ballot future Hall of Fame player that we're seeing play and has the accolades in the AFC that mirror Brady's in terms of consecutive AFC title game appearances. And now Super Bowl appearances. This will be his third. This will be his third.

He's looking for his second Super Bowl. And so put it all together, any sign of disrespect that the Eagles might feel or hear will, I think, land on sensitive ears and then be absorbed and then used for motivation. That's why my friends at Good Morning Football got a soundbite that I think will be played quite a bit next week. And they got it from a kid named Julian Love of the New York Giants. Why would a giant be talking?

That's true. About the Eagles. Here's what Julian Love had to say.

The first voice you hear is a friend of the program, Kyle Brandt, asking Julian Love about the team that curb stomped them out of the divisional round of the playoffs. What do you make of Sirianni's act, that kind of coach, the sort of screamer coach, the intense kind of guy? You like that? I don't know if I like it, but I respect that, I guess. You know, he's a guy who really is doing a good job because he's not getting in the way of his team.

He has an experienced roster from top to bottom, offense, defense. You see this stuff, though? Like, what's your reaction as a player? And that guy's doing that. I don't like it.

I don't like it at all. I mean, he's in for a free ride right now. You guys can coach this team and you can succeed. That's what we're looking for. He might not be seen up for the Eagles anytime soon, but that's okay. There's 31 other teams.

That's fine. See, you could chalk it up to the Good Morning Football crowd kind of laughing it out. And he's trying to be funny.

And the video that they were showing him at the time was the Sirianni video during the total beatdown of the Giants of him. Sort of nodding his head at the camera, you know, and mugging for the camera and having his fun. And talking the talk because the walking of the wall. I mean, you can't even call it.

I guess it's the stampeding of the stampede, you know? I mean, that's what they did to the Giants. So you could obviously chalk it up to that. So then why would Julian Love take to Twitter hours later and double down on it? I'm not wrong.

It's a players league and Philly has dogs in the roster top to bottom. It's no mystery why they're in this position. Says the safety of the Giants. Everyone would have given him a pass because the video is just like, oh, ha ha ha ha.

They put it in black and white. Come on, bro. They have a great team. No doubt.

But let's not forget. When Sirianni first showed up, did you you know, we had our fun with it here because his first press conference, he looked like a deer in headlights and he didn't look anything like the guy that he's turned into or by the way, probably was and needed to find or be comfortable in his own skin as the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Did you hear that Sirianni played video of that first flop sweat Mike Del Tufo weather report type press conference that he had? Did you know that he showed it to the Eagles to show that just like he's preaching to them, he had things to learn and get better at, too? Really? Yes.

I'm watching it right now. He looks terrible. If you recall, he also was the one last year when we were still talking about. And this is why Jalen Hurts is like, I don't know if some people around here wanted me drafted.

I know I'm paraphrasing what he said. When he showed up at a Jalen Hurts T-shirt was significant because a lot of folks were like, OK, you know, Hurts was drafted second round and you know, they reluctantly turned to him because Wentz proved to be finally unusable enough that that Peterson finally turned to him. And he started bawling out and they yanked him out of a game in front of the whole country that the Giants needed him to win. So they could make the playoffs instead of the Washington commanders.

And, you know. He showed up that year with a lot of folks wondering, is Sirianni really going to use him? Does he really want him? What's he going to do? And he showed up on a Hurts T-shirt.

The whole watering and fertilizing stuff that we also had a little bit of fun with. They've hardly lost the game since he said that. OK. And the swagger that they play with.

Sure, it comes from within in their their supreme ability. It's got to come from the coach, don't you think? I don't look at the Philadelphia Eagles as the team that you just roll the footballs out for.

I mean, they're playing terrific and they might win the championship, but this isn't the last dance Chicago Bulls here, you know, even though Hurts might have that Jordan dog in him. Come on now. You can't just say he's done nothing and he's just a caretaker and every, you know, Peter Schrager could coach the Philadelphia Eagles.

I'm sorry to pick you out, Schrage, you know, I'm just using just anybody from GMFB. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And. Yeah, you can't in the same way say the Eagles aren't going to win this game because they have been tested like the Chiefs as everybody's going to pound that drum next week. I'm telling you, you've heard a little bit of it this week. It's going to be pounded next week, certainly in the latter parts of next week when we're really bored waiting for the game. You're going to hear members of the media saying, who did the Eagles beat? Who did they play compared to what the Chiefs just did, how to go through the crucible of young up and coming Trevor Lawrence and the don't know what they don't know Jaguars. And then Joe Burrow and the defending AFC champion Cincinnati Bengals doesn't compare to Daniel Jones, what they did to him and then Brock Purdy slash Josh Johnson and then Brock Purdy again. The same way you say that, you can't just sit here and say, well, they're so damn talented, the coach can just roll out the footballs.

They are that talented and put it all together. How about this for the Philadelphia Eagles? They have become just the fourth team all time to appear in multiple Super Bowls in a six year span with a different starting quarterback and head coach.

Wow. It was Super Bowl 52 in which Nick Foles and Doug Peterson beat the Patriots. Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni are now showing up in Super Bowl 57. The last franchise to do it were the Patriots who went to Super Bowl 31 with Bledsoe and Parcells and then Super Bowl 36 with Brady and Belichick. That was Brady's first. And before that, the Raiders went from Super Bowl 11 with Ken Stabler and John Madden to Super Bowl 15 with Jim Plunkett and Tom Flores.

Can we get Plunkett in the Hall of Fame, please? And then Super Bowl three, Earl Morrill and Don Shula took the Colts against the Jets. And then in Super Bowl five, Johnny Unitas and Don McCafferty took the Colts to that Super Bowl. It's only happened three times before the Eagles just pulled this off. Now, did Peterson just roll the footballs out with Nick Foles and Carson Wentz?

Of course not. So we're going to sit here and say that about Nick Sirianni. And I know that we've just opened a show thanks to a soundbite from I'll say a butthurt New York giant, but I think he is. I think he is giving voice to what a lot of people are thinking, because we're going to hear the Eagles aren't going to win this game because they haven't been tested nearly as stringently as the Chiefs who played seven playoff teams in the regular season. And then had to beat the Jaguars with Trevor Lawrence and Burrow and the Bengals. And the Eagles only played four playoff teams this year, two in their own division.

You know. And then we just saw who they had to beat to make the Super Bowl. The Eagles are going to go into this team game.

I don't know if they can wear the dog masks because they're really tearing teams apart and they're they just eviscerated the trenches on the San Francisco 49ers and they have potentially the MVP of the league. But I've seen stranger situations like, say, Tom Brady go off to the Super Bowl in his umpteenth time telling all of Fitz's and Sully's. What did he say that one time going off to the Super Bowl? Everybody thinks we suck. But that was the narrative that year. Excuse me. Stop it. To you, it was the narrative that year.

That was the fall off the cliff year. Oh, and everybody kept saying it and whatever. But really? Okay. The Eagles are going to go into next week as this year's They Don't Believe in Us team and we'll see how that works out. 844-204, rich number to dial.

What say you? We'll take your calls. Let's take the phone call next from Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk's finest. We'll see what he's got to say prior to another Super Bowl week. I think this has got to be his 20 some off myself with Pro Football Talk. We'll talk about that with him and all the coaching openings and all the news.

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His pro football talk is must follow material on Twitter as well as the internet tubes. Back here on the Rich Eisen Show, prior to yet another Super Bowl that he's covering, Mike Florio. How you doing, Mike? Doing great, Rich.

How are you? What number Super Bowl is this for you? You know, I don't know. The first one was 43. Didn't go to 55. Okay. That was during the pandemic.

Yes. And 50 came home early because we were launching our morning show the next day, and there was no way to do it at 3 a.m. local time in San Francisco. So I missed 50 and 54. So 43 until now minus two, whatever that is. I remember.

No one told me there would be math today. I remember. I remember you, Glazer Schefter, on the set of NFL Network at the Super Bowl between the Steelers and the Cardinals. I remember that one.

Well, me, you, and Shefty way back when. That was right. That was like my first time at a big boy desk interacting with other human beings and trying to act like I knew what the hell I was talking about. I remember that vividly. And actually, sources close to me tell me that my performance that day was one of the reasons that NBC wasn't completely freaked out about the possibility of putting me on the air. So thank you.

15 years later. Oh, my gosh. Mike Florio here on The Rich Eisen Show. Okay. So what do you got for me on Brady's decision to retire and how he might have kicked tires on other opportunities but then decided, forget it, I'm done.

I'm going to shoot a video here on these dunes in South Florida and post it. Well, it wasn't that long ago that he blew a gasket or at least pretended to on Jim Gray during the Let's Go podcast. I think it was just 11 days ago. And all Jim Gray said is, what's your timetable? And I knew what I was going to effing do.

I would effing tell you and blah, blah, blah. All he asked is, what's your timetable? And the thing I'm most fascinated by through all of this, because the video created the impression that he rolled out of bed, walked out onto the pier, could stand for style, contemplating the seagulls with his chin on his folded hands and decided, today's the day I'm going to retire.

I'll post my video and that's that. I've seen suggestions that the video was recorded at some point before it landed on Wednesday morning. And it makes me wonder, when did he decide? When did he record the video? When did this all get put in motion?

Because he fell all along. He's not going to think about the future until after the season. Well, the season ended 18 days ago for Tom Brady. When between the loss to the Cowboys and Wednesday did he decide that he wasn't going to play? And how much information, if any, did he get from other teams that may or may not be interested?

Because in 2020, multiple teams rolled out the red carpet. Last year, he retired from the Buccaneers, not from the NFL, because he was going to go to Miami. And that planned the joint forces with Sean Payton was derailed by the Bryan Flores lawsuit, filed later the same day that Tom Brady, quote, unquote, retired. So this time around, I just wonder, was he not getting the indication that there was going to be this land rush for his services?

And also, he's got real family issues. He wants to stay close to the East Coast. He's got a kid in New York and two in Miami.

So if you are going to seal off, you know, a segment of the country, how many options do you really have? And I've seen the reporting that it was either Tampa Bay or no one. And where is Tampa Bay right now, really? Is there any belief that this team is going to be competitive next year with or without Tom Brady? So I think he just realized that it was time. And I wonder whether he's going to continue to feel that way. I think he believes it now, Rich. But we know what happened to Brett Favre. He believed it when he retired in 2008. And then as the season approached, things changed. And you can't rule out that a human being is going to change his mind.

We all change our minds from time to time. So I think a lot of people are just going to kind of watch this one and see if he truly is committed to it and if he stays committed to it. Well, of all the quarterback scenarios that I thought were affected by it the most, obviously San Francisco is one of them. And I just thought Miami now has the greatest emergency quarterback in the history of emergency quarterbacks sitting right in their area code. You know, if something does happen with Tua again. But that said, part of it might have to do with what does Brady do next.

Are you hearing? Is he definitely going to Fox? I mean, that's a heck of a contract.

But Greg Olsen has crushed it. He has really proven to be an A-list analyst worthy of the best games of whichever package his network has for him. What are you hearing about Brady's next moves, Mike? Well, and one thing that I'm watching very carefully, will he redo his contract with the Bucks before March 15?

As it stands, they're going to take a $35 million dead cap charge for 2023. They could do a deal with him where he would sign up for a one-year minimum salary, reduce the cap charge dramatically this year, officially retire at least as far as the team is concerned with the filing of the notice that he's on the reserve retirement after June 1, and really help out the Buccaneers. The problem for him is it puts him back under contract with the Buccaneers at a time when he'd otherwise be a free agent.

And if he would have a change of heart, he'd have to deal with that. Now, I guess going in, if he's doing the Bucks a favor for cap reasons, he'd want a commitment that if he wants to play, they'd cut him. But after the trade deadline, he has to pass through waivers. So the emergency quarterback for another team, it's free and clear if he just doesn't do anything, becomes a free agent, and the Bucks have to take that $35 million charge. But that's something to watch over the course of the next month and a half. With the Bucks, there's been a suggestion in the past that he's going to take a year off, have a bridge year, focus on his family for now, etc.

But hey, you've got $375 million that doesn't start being paid out until you start working. And the longer you stay out of that seat, Rich, the more entrenched Greg Olsen is going to be. They do have a problem here. And the easy part of the problem is move Greg Olsen to the number two team. But, you know, think of what the reaction among the public is going to be, the same public that is embracing Olsen and turning on Tony Romo. If you move Olsen to the two team, he's a sympathetic figure, he's a broadcasting martyr, and what's going to happen? Everything Tom Brady says is going to be scrutinized. It's going to be hyper-analyzed for any type of criticism so people can say, you guys made a mistake, why is Tom Brady even at your network? It should be Greg Olsen. So this is going to be a tough one for Fox to navigate because, you know, and they could say it's a good problem to have, but Olsen ends up being dramatically better than anyone expected. It makes it very difficult to nudge him aside and drop Brady in fresh out of the gate to put the ton of pressure, I think, on Brady to be better than anyone expects from the moment he first starts speaking into a microphone.

Mike Florio here on The Rich Eisen Show. What do you make of the Aaron Rodgers latest, you know, things that he said, reports that the Jets want to go all in on him? I don't know what the hell that means. Were to give him his own State Farm?

I have no idea what that means. At that point, you've got to decide what he's going to play this year. Step two, if he's going to play, is he playing for the Packers or someone else? Step three, if he's not playing for the Packers, who's he going to play for?

Who's out there? The dots are connected to the Jets because that's where Nathaniel Hackett now is, the offensive coordinator. And I firmly believe Rich last year when the Broncos hired Nathaniel Hackett, they thought they were getting Aaron Rodgers. And I don't think it's a coincidence that on the same day, Rodgers announced he was staying with the Packers. The Broncos pivoted to Russell Wilson. They say it's a coincidence.

I say there are no coincidences. Wilson was Plan B. Rodgers was Plan A to partner up with Nathaniel Hackett. So the Jets become a team that is a very fascinating potential choice for Rodgers.

Here's where it gets really complicated, though. What are the Packers going to want for Aaron Rodgers? Because if I'm the Jets, how much am I giving up for a guy that may only play one year?

Am I giving up multiple first-round picks for a guy that's going to play one year? They got a fourth-round pick for Brett Favre under relatively similar circumstances 15 years ago. And it would have upgraded potentially to a first-round pick, but they didn't satisfy the triggers for it to get there. But I don't know that the Packers, if they do move on from Rodgers and if he decides to leave, I don't know that they should be expecting the same haul they would have gotten a couple of years ago or even as recently as a year ago. They're avoiding $60 million in fully guaranteed compensation, and they may be ready to move on to Jordan Love, who sat on the bench the exact number of years that Rodgers sat on the bench before the Packers initiated their plan to nudge Favre out of town. So one key factor, I think, in all of this, if there's a trade to be done, I think the Packers need to be very reasonable about what they expect to get in exchange for Rodgers' contract.

And so that's a huge domino one would say to fall if he says, I'm staying or retires or gets traded. I mean, that is, with Brady retired, a huge piece of the quarterback carousel to spin. There's also Derek Carr, Mike Florio, and walk again everybody through the time frame here and the pressure points. There's a huge pressure point coming not next week, but the week after, right after the Super Bowl. This new league year doesn't usually begin until middle of March, and that's the same thing this year. But this is going to have to play out almost right away as soon as the confetti gets picked up in Arizona. Walk me through the Derek Carr situation as it currently stands, please, if you don't mind.

Before I do that, let me just add a quick P.S. here on Rodgers' situation. I'm sure you've discussed this, but I don't think Rodgers retires this year, because the last thing he wants to be is Autumn of the Marquis, special guest Aaron Rodgers on Tom Brady Hall of Fame weekend, August of 2028.

I guarantee you he doesn't want that. That's the role that's been thrust onto J.J. Watt, unfortunately. But I don't think anybody with that level of achievement wants to be second fiddled Tom Brady, and that's what Rodgers would be, so I think he keeps playing it for no reason.

Other than that, that's the reason. By the way, just real quick before you get to Carr, if I'm J.J. Watt, this is awesome, right? If I'm a GOAT defender, defensive pass rusher, why wouldn't you want to go in with Brady? Your family hangs with the Bradys. Brady and the families hang together. If you're a quarterback, though, who wears the same number, that's a different story. I can see the whole GOAT by association with Brady, but still Watt would have been big letters, top of the stack.

It's his weekend. And now it's Brady with special guest. I mean, anybody else is Robin to Brady's Batman in 2028. And I guess Rodgers would be the Joker if he decides to retire, which makes me think he's just not.

He's just not going to do it. He'll play another year. And I think he has $60 million for one more year of football.

How do you say no to that? Apart from any of the vanity-based, I don't want to be the sidekick to Tom Brady on Hall of Fame weekend, but Carr, who doesn't have to worry about those issues, frankly, his situation is very simple. He did a contract last year that results in $40.4 million in compensation this year and part of next year, fully guaranteed if he's on the roster on Wednesday, February 15, the third day of the waiver period. So the only way the Raiders avoid owing him that money is to cut him before then. They could work out a trade, but the trade doesn't become official until the middle of March. And until then, you're running the risk of someone doing to Josh McDaniels what Josh McDaniels did to the Colts five years ago.

In other words, waking up one day and saying, you know what, we don't want to do it. And there's no consequence if a team would work out a trade for Derek Carr before the money vests, then the guarantees kick in, the Raiders are on the hook, oh, but we're going to trade him to whoever, and then whoever says, and the perfect irony would be if it was the Colts, whoever says, sorry, we're not going to do it. So that's a big part of the risk, assuming they can even work out a trade. And Rich, I don't think they're going to be able to work out a trade because Carr holds all the cards here, and he said last night he's not going to extend the deadline.

He's refused to let him work out his own deal. This clock is ticking toward February 15, Rich, and I think that at some point before then, Carr is going to make it clear to the Raiders he's not playing along. They either have to keep him and pay him, or they have to cut him.

Those are the two choices, and it's up to them. So if he's cut, and then can he sign with the team on the spot, right? I mean, does he have to wait for the new league year? It just becomes official at that point. The pre-agency period in the quarterback carousel on Derek Carr spins right away on February 15th, 16th. Does that amount to work?

He gets a one-month head start. Think about that. Why would you want that? Why wouldn't you want that?

Of course. That's why you say, cut me. I'm not extending. I thought someone suggested that it looks better for him if he's traded than if he's cut. Why? Are you kidding me?

How petty can you be that you're going to cut off your nose to spite your faith? His best play is to get cut. And look at it this way, Rich. Let's say there's a team out there that would take on the $40.4 million, which really, when you consider the salary cap in the quarterback market, that's not like some completely ridiculous amount. Over all of this year, like $32 million change this year and $8 million next year, that's not... Well, we can't do it, because that's what quarterbacks make now. But if there's a team that's willing to do it and willing to give the Raiders real value in exchange for Carr, Carr's going to get more than that amount if he's on the open market, because it's a sliding scale.

It's a balance when you trade for somebody. How much do we have to pay and how much do we have to give up? And the less we have to give up by way of draft pick compensation, the more we're able to pay. The more we have to pay, the less we want to give up. So if you have to give up nothing to get the guy and you're already willing to guarantee $40.4 million, you put him on the open market and he works multiple different teams, he's presumably going to do better than $40.4 million. So if there is any type of a bad look that comes from him being cut, his agent should be able to work the channels here and end up with an outcome where people say, oh, hey, he did even better than he was supposed to do so. There's no reason under the sun for Derek Carr to do anything other than say, pay me or cut me. Those are your options. I'm not agreeing to waive my no-trade clause.

You want me out, I want out. I'm taking charge of this process. And I think he's eventually going to do it.

We're just kind of creeping up to that point. Cutting him, does that leave dead cap for the Raiders as opposed to just clearing his salary off their books or the trade? I mean, why wouldn't he do that too?

Right on top of it, I'd imagine, if that is the case, just create a footprint in there. Well, I'd have to look and see what the cap hit is. It's nothing that's crippling for the Raiders. They didn't give him a huge signing bonus last year.

That's the issue. The signing bonus would accelerate. They're not worried about dead cap money. With Mark Davis, who is not one of the cash-rich owners, the issue is committing $40 million-plus to a guy that you're done with. And the biggest clue that they're going to cut him if they don't have a clear trade deal that they can trust in place by February 15 is when they benched him with two games left. They weren't mathematically eliminated. The goal then was to ensure he doesn't have an injury that prevents him from passing a physical before February 15, because that money is injury guaranteed for now. If he would have gotten injured the final two weeks of the regular season, they can't cut him before February 15 without owing him that money.

Mike Flory here on The Rich Eisen Show. Been a couple of weeks since the Bengals bounced the Ravens. Tyler Huntley, by the way, looked really good in the Pro Bowl Games quarterback accuracy challenge. That said, it's Lamar's gig unless it's not. It's been two weeks since the Ravens held their press conference to end the season. And it makes complete sense that they're saying nothing.

They don't have to. We'll see him at the combine at the end of the month, beginning of March. What did happen, best you could tell, and what is happening with Lamar and the Ravens?

Mike Florio. Rich, ESPN reported at the start of the regular season that Lamar Jackson had been offered $133 million fully guaranteed by the Ravens. That's the biggest detail that's come out from whatever it was that the Ravens put on the table.

And a couple of weeks ago, Ryan Clark reiterated that same report, I think without even realizing that it was already out there from Chris Mortensen from week one. $133 million fully guaranteed, and you can compare that to Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson and say, only $133 million, oh my God, now we know why Lamar Jackson said no. And the point I've been trying to get people to understand, until you have the full deal, you don't know how much as a practical matter is guaranteed when the contract is signed.

And there's a very common device in big money contracts that we'll see. You've got the amount that's fully guaranteed at signing, let's say it's $133 in Lamar Jackson's case. Then you've got an amount that is injury guaranteed but becomes fully guaranteed right after year one, just like the Derek Carr $40.4 million. It's not fully guaranteed at signing, but right after the first year, it is fully guaranteed. And they ain't going to cut Lamar Jackson after guaranteeing him $133 million and only one year of football.

So that amount that invests the next year is highly relevant to understanding what really was on the table. And we've never seen what really was on the table for Lamar Jackson. The Ravens won't breathe a word of it, and Jackson slash the NFLPA have been selective in what they've leaked. I think if we saw the full deal, we would probably, if we did a poll, we'd probably have 75% or more who think that Lamar Jackson should have taken it.

The question now is, what gets put back on the table? Do they use the non-exclusive franchise tag to let him go out and try to get that five-year fully guaranteed contract that he has wanted ever since Deshaun Watson got his? And would the Ravens match it or just take two first-round draft picks as compensation?

But that's the next big deadline here. What will the Ravens do if they don't work out a long-term deal, and I don't think they will, what will they do with the franchise tag? Non-exclusive and let him go look elsewhere or exclusive for about $13 million more in 2023 and continue to hold his right. He can't talk to anybody else.

He plays for them or he plays for no one. So that's how it's going to play out over the course of the next month or so. Unless you listen to the whispers that scream at you, there is no table, they're done with him. They're done with him. He's done with them. That's what was going on behind the scenes in the last month of the season.

Anything? And that's not a surprise, but it conflicts with what was said two weeks ago. No doubt. It conflicts with everything that's been said publicly.

It conflicts with everything. Right. That's true.

Right. Eric DaCosta, the GM of the team, had a great comment during that press conference. He said that, well, first he said there's two different people we're dealing with. Lamar the player and Lamar the agent. We love Lamar the player. And he never commented on Lamar the agent and nobody asked him about his feelings on Lamar the agent. But Lamar the agent has been the problem here. And he's getting help from his mother and the NFLPA is involved and there was a grievance filed for collusion because other teams aren't giving quarterbacks five-year fully-guaranteed contracts.

And as time goes by, we're seeing that Sean Watson deal with an outlier. And one of the benefits an agent would have for Lamar Jackson, the agent could explain to him, here's how the Sean Watson got his five-year fully-guaranteed contract. He told the Texans, I'm never playing for you again.

Trade me. They blinked and said, okay, we'll trade you. Then they set up this competition where four different teams were all trying to get Sean Watson.

And then along the way, the first team out, the Browns, had alienated their in-house quarterback Baker Mayfield. So they got desperate, they swung back around and they made this huge offer, five-year fully-guaranteed. You've got to do a lot of things to engineer that outcome. You don't just sit back and wait for it. And that's one of the big flaws in not having an agent. It's more than just sending emails to the general manager back and forth until you get a giant contract and you get one, two, three percent of it as your fee. It's setting up a strategy, working through difficult situations and coming up with a way to get that thing that the client wants. Or reliably come to a conclusion that that thing the client wants isn't available, so you've got to take your next best option, whatever it may be. And not having an agent, I think, has really been the wrench in the gears here between the Ravens and Lamar Jackson.

You've got to pick for Super Bowl 57? We make our official pick next week, so I'm delaying it as long as I can. Well, you should, because who knows? Who the hell knows?

It's hard to, I mean, the chief. When you see what Patrick Mahomes did on Sunday with the ankle injury and the determination, he knows. Look, he's chasing Brady 7. He's getting one of these opportunities.

He had an opportunity two years ago. When Brady was at 6 and he was at 1, he could cut it from 6 versus 1 to 6 versus 2. Now the spread is even bigger. It's 7 versus 1. You get in the Super Bowl, you've got to get that ring, because you don't know when the next chance is going to come.

So if you want to end up with 3, 4, 5, 6, you've got to see this opportunity now. But the Eagles seem to have determined and talented any opponent the Chiefs could have faced. So hopefully it's going to be a great close game and we'll just see it. But I hope it doesn't end because of a fluke injury early, like the 49ers-Eagles game. I want everybody to be as healthy as possible. I want to see both teams have a fair shot at this thing and not have the game marred by anything other than best on best.

And let's see who wins. Right back at you, Mike. I feel the same way. And thanks for a great playing season, calling into the show.

Now comes the real stuff, too. Look for more of my phone calls. I'll see you in Arizona. All right. Anytime, pal. Take care. See you.

Good talking to you. That's Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk. Check him out. Follow him. Get his book.

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NetSuite.com slash Rich Radio. Derek Carr, I think if you ask anybody, will say excellent quarterback but he's hit his ceiling. That there's, you've gotten what you can get out of him which is playoff season, sure. You know, one year, an MVP type season cut short by an injury. But maybe it's a Raider thing.

Maybe it's a their problem, not a his problem. Now, I was there on the night he threw his last pass as a Raider. I called it. It was a freezing night.

Can't forget it. Pittsburgh Christmas Eve night. His team blew another lead on the season and he threw multiple interceptions, including his last pass as a Raider picked off. The Raiders were done with him. They said, we need to see what we have and Jared and Jared Stidham, even though the coach brought him to Vegas and had him in meeting rooms. And actually, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Stidham play a couple games and then Brady had to go back in because he was a pick six.

It was a ball out. Stidham came in, immediately threw a pick six and Brady came back. But, you know, again, in the same way that that that that it's unfair to say Derek Carr's reached his pinnacle, that where he's done all he can do, or he's not the guy that can take your team to a Super Bowl and win it because he had chances to do it in Oakland and then in Vegas and then never did it.

You know, you can't say that Stidham has already shown you all that he's got. So be that as it may, he's done in Vegas and the team is like, again, has an opportunity to trade him. But they have to do it before the 15th of this month.

A couple of days after the Super Bowl, that's it. And so Derek Carr said yesterday he's not going to extend that deadline and good for him. That means the team's going to have to either pay him or cut him or keep him. They're not keeping him. He knows it.

Everybody knows that the league knows it. So why trade for him? He's expensive. And it's definitely for him.

Absolutely. Put a monster chip on his shoulder. This is something a very prideful guy who has been a terrific leader in this locker room for this team for so many different. Moments where his ability to lead and also be passionate and where his passions on his sleeve, his emotions on his sleeve were exactly what the moment called for for Vegas and prior to that Oakland.

But I think you know what I'm referring to the Gruden stuff, the Henry rugs, everything. So yesterday when he showed up at the Pro Bowl games in Vegas. An invitation he got just this week because a ton of others were injured or didn't show or didn't want to show. And he showed in Vegas. Tough spot. My gosh.

Ryan Clark of ESPN went up to him after he balled out on the skills challenge and had this exchange. You've thrown touchdown passes in Vegas before. You've been on fire. Have you ever been that hot in Las Vegas? Not that hot.

It's probably why I'm going somewhere else. So it's a funny line, but if you see the video, he kind of like stares at him. Yeah, he gives like he gives it like a look of like smile and then the smile. And then right. He's like, that's a joke.

You know, let the smile be my umbrella. But yeah, I could still do it. Somebody a Raider fan saw that exchange and also saw him perform tweeted out to David Carr. Is there an avenue whereby the Raiders realize what a massive mistake this is? Apologize to him publicly and try to run it back next season. Seems like a long shot, but worth asking. Going to miss this guy crying emoji. David Carr wrote back one word.

No, there is no such avenue. Derek's done with them. Yeah. So if you want Derek Carr. You might be getting the quarterback with the largest chip on his shoulder in the court and the quarterback carousel of 2023.

Just something to keep in mind here. It's what I got from last night's performance. Our two coming up with D'Amico Ryans of the Texans. And I thought, again, when we were at the Super Bowl for Super Bowl 40 in Detroit, Steve Mariucci had just been fired. And the network called him up to say, do you want to come work the Super Bowl?

And Mooch would tell you he was just sitting at home, staring in space, didn't want to go out, didn't want to go anywhere, just been fired. So I'm going to show up at a major NFL event in the town and just go on TV and act like this didn't happen. Right. It was really tough for him, but he did it. And look what happened.

And that's what I thought. Derek Carr. Hey, Derek, Pro Bowls in Vegas, you get to come because, you know, Josh Allen is not is not doing it.

And Burroughs not doing it. Mahomes just made the Super Bowl. You know, and Trevor Lawrence already said yes.

And Herbert's gotten surgery and. You don't have a team. But you're in town, you want to be part of this thing?

We got Tyler Huntley. You want to drive 15 minutes and come down to the stadium? You want to do it for the AFC? You want to do it? You want to come on down and show up and be in front of everybody, knowing that you are not going to play here anymore because the team decided to go in a different direction and send you home? That can't be easy, man.

At all. And he showed up, has been through worse. And you could know it's on his mind. So have you ever been this hot in Vegas? Yeah, not probably not. That's why I'm not going to be here. Locked and loaded. Oh, that's part of what you're going to get if you get Derek Carr. Just keep that in mind.
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