REShow: Charley Steiner - Hour 3

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I probably had the most siniest quarter you could pull out. Earlier on the show, ESPN NFL analyst Lewis Riddick, Eagles tight end Dallas Goddard. Still to come, Los Angeles Dodgers radio announcer Charlie Steiner. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

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844204 Rich, number to dial as I mentioned. And I turn to my right and I see a longtime friend who's kind enough to hang out with us here in studio in Los Angeles, California. Now we're number three. My longtime colleague and now one of the voices of the Los Angeles Dodgers, Charlie Steiner. Good to see you, Charlie.

Good to see you, Rich. I mean, this is really funny how life works because it just dawned on me the other day that it was the 30-year anniversary. It crossed my timeline on Twitter of Carl Lewis singing the national anthem 30 years ago. And then the day after your, if you will, coverage of it on SportsCenter leading to one of the greatest giggle fits of all time.

And that went totally viral on Twitter. And then you text me like two days later and I'm like, let's come in and let's let's come in and let's chop it up. And now here you are.

It's amazing. Well, first my ankle is good. Okay. Did you ever broadcast with a high ankle sprain? Charlie, did you ever do that?

Has that ever happened to you? Yes. Okay.

You know, the great ones gutted out. You play in pain as you did with your ACL. I mean, that's what you have to do.

If you're going to make it in this business with any sort of longevity, you just tee it up, let her rip and my ankle is good to go. I love it. Fantastic.

I played little league ball, central proctology on Long Island. That's quite a sponsorship right there. Yes, it was. Yes. And we were. You finished last?

Yes. It didn't win a game. Didn't win a game. You were poopy? We got our asses kicked every day. Here you go ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you very much. Oh, I guess when we're on that subject matter. You used a line years ago that you referred to one of the producers at the worldwide leader in sports whose work you didn't really appreciate to be honest. You said somebody, he couldn't find his own ass if you handed him a box of Charmin in both his hands.

A box of Charmin and a GPS. And as I recall, there was nobody who came to his defense. It was one of the greatest lines. I'm like, he couldn't find his own ass if you gave him a box of Charmin in both his hands.

That's what you said. And it was really just funny. At any rate, when you saw the fact that it's been 30 years since. It blew me away. Actually, I got a text the night before from one of the producers who was in fact quite good, Jerry Matiloff. Jerry was in fact the producer of that show that night. And so I got a text the night before notifying me.

It was the 30th anniversary, which was the first. And then it was like, geez. And then you, you're like Citizen Kane. You put it out into the internet world.

Yes. And it just, it took off. It did. I was astonished.

People still love it. So when you heard Carl Lewis's net, walk me through when this hit the SportsCenter newsroom. It began that morning. Yeah, I was driving in to Bristol, we had a seven o'clock show and inexplicably we had editorial meetings at 10 a.m. for no apparent reason other than. And so we're sitting around and Jack Edwards happened to be anchoring with me that night.

Normally it was Bob and Robin. So anyway, Jack unmercifully drew the short straw that night apparently. So I'm driving in and I hear on WFAN like 10 seconds of this thing. And it's this editorial meeting. We just talk about what we're going to talk about that night.

Yes. And I told him, I heard this thing. Maybe we have video of it.

Okay. So somebody goes downstairs and damned if there wasn't video of the whole thing. And they used to give me what they called the kicker, the last story of the show, which was, you know.

758 in the evening after a seven o'clock show. That's exactly right. Right. And so try to try to end on a upbeat. And so now we see the whole thing. So it's like, this is God awful. But there's something that we can do with this. And, you know, going in, you know, basically we're going to condense it for your own good.

Here it is. Now, in the old days at ESPN, before there were offices and stuff, we had these little, uh, just little cubicles. That's the word. Yeah.

And my cubicle happened to be next to a bank of, uh, audio. We're back when they threw in cartridges. Yes, that's right. And so, right. Cart machines, cart machines. Yes.

Where you put the cartridge. Yep. And so now people are hearing about this all day and they walk in and say, we got to hear this Carl Lewis thing. And I'm typing the show for that night. And I probably heard it 25, 30 times. My, and I'm thinking, the uh-oh sells it.

The uh-oh sells it. And so now I have, I'm laughing every time and I'm figuring by 758 or whatever time it was, I would have been laughed out. You would think. You would think. Well, it didn't turn out that way.

So ladies and gentlemen, our national anthem and people watch it. Now in the studio, which is, was considerably smaller than your spacious digs here. We had three cameramen, had a stage manager and a guy who ran the prompter. Yeah. The prompter operator.

And Jack. Now they are all collectively losing it. And I am kind of leading the parade and I'm thinking, well, okay, by the time it is over, I'll be fine. I wasn't.

You were not laughed out. And I think you just gave the, the, the, the voice of what everybody at home was doing. I guess, you know, and, and I said to somebody, it was like being in the back row when a substitute teacher was in and you're holding it in and you're holding it in until you can't. And two minutes later, you're in the principal's office. Well, you know, boogers are flying out of my nose, spits coming out of my, and I have lost it.

And now I'm thinking as I'm embarrassing myself, can I save this? And I lean back in the chair and I don't know where it came from, but the Francis Scott off key line, it was like intervention from God. It popped into my head as I'm leaning back. Wow.

Francis Scott off key. And so, I mean, it was kick saving a beauty. And so now, oh my gosh. Perfect. And so now the show is over and I'm thinking, so is my career. And we used to go upstairs into that tiny little newsroom and you would remove your IFB.

Yes. You put it, we didn't have a spacious desk or anything. You had a drawer and put it in the drawer. And so I'm walking into the room. The entire newsroom is hysterically laughing. But it was the longest walk from the studio to the newsroom because I'm thinking, I'm dead. I'm fired.

You have no idea how it's received. I'm over. And then they are all laughing. And at the end of the day, it turned out all right. And that night, I think Keith and Dan did the 11th.

They replayed the entire segment from the second. Of you? Of you? The entire thing. So the big show. The big show.

I was the big show part there. And now 30 years have come and gone. And Carl Lewis was one of the elite athletes of the 20th century. There's no question.

He was drafted in the 10th round in 1984 in the NBA. I didn't know that. And he, sadly for a generation, this is what people think about for Carl. And I really feel awful about that, but it wasn't my fault. It really wasn't my fault. Meaning that he just knew that the register that he started the song that he couldn't, he couldn't carry through.

And the other thing that struck me was Derek Coleman. Yes. Who's biting. I'm watching it right now. It's amazing. I'm just laughing. Oh my God.

What's remarkable. The giggle fest. So again, what I must tell you, it was extremely liberating because I was relatively new to television. I was, you know, I've been at ESPN for three years, but basically I was a radio guy. I still am. And so I completely lost it. I was as naked as a human being with clothes on could be. And I survived and it was okay. And there was like a natural reaction to it. And then over the years when I found things funny, because I was so liberated from that moment, I could laugh about Tanya Harding or Mike Tyson, any of them. The Tanya Harding.

Cause that's the other giggle moment for you. And it, the Tanya Harding. Cause it was once you got divorced, right?

Right. And her ex, her ex got the pick up truck and she got the tool chest. You're like going through the divorce settlement. Who got what? And she got to the, she got the tool chest. And is that not funny? And so, so because of Carl Lewis, I could then, you know, and, and, and Mitch Flood green and the haberdasher in, in, in, uh, and the other one was, uh, Carrie wood, Carrie wood is a last known relief appearance when he got caught relieving himself. And he told the cop, uh, not now I'm not finished yet.

So when you write that stuff, I mean, it's pure gold and yes. And so that is why they used to give me the kicker stories to end shows. And yeah.

And so the Carrie wood thing was, was kind of fun. Cause he was a rookie. He was a rookie sensation and I have lost it over his last known relief appearance.

He was a starter at the time shows over. I come back upstairs and I get a call from Mark grace there in Arizona spring training. He said, uh, Carrie's on the phone.

Like to talk to you. And all we did was laugh. He loved it. Had a, we became friends over the years because, because of that.

Yeah. There was one, there was one moment Stuart and I were giggling and we felt, you know, like we had license to, to finish the segment out that way because of you. And you were kind of, you kind of set the tone and, uh, it was a highlight of a Q school, um, competition and the winners are going to obviously get their tour card. And it was, I don't know why we hadn't seen the highlight yet.

It was handed to us. It was a, you know, one in the morning, whatever just ended on the West coast or something. And we hadn't seen it yet. And it was a golfer who was in shorts, which was just odd to see. Anyway, he had to have been pushing about 300 pounds too.

So you don't believe like this guy is a professional golfer in any way or trying for his tour card. And the highlight was he kept missing a short gimme putt and wound up quadruple bulging. And once he finally hold out, he grabbed the golf ball and with his other hand, flipped the bird to the crowd. And we just didn't see that one coming. And we just, both of us giggled and there were like four more shots on the shot sheet to finish out. And we couldn't get through it, just couldn't get through it and wound up just throw, throw to break. So you didn't see it coming.

Carl Lewis. I saw it all day. And that might be part of why you found it so funny is that it's all day and you thought like, you're done, you're cool. And then, until you weren't, I love that stuff. Evidently. And I just still, it blows me away that 30 years, people still remember it and talk about it.

It's crazy. That's part of the reason why you're here too, Charlie. We're going down memory lane with Charlie Steiner right here on this edition of the Rich Eisen Show. We'll take a break, come back, talk a little bit of Dodger baseball. And I know, you know, you've spent many, many years calling NFL games as well.

So any of your memories of championship weekend, Charlie Steiner is here on the Rich Eisen Show and there is breaking news out of the NFL. We'll hit it. Oh, look at that shot right there on camera. Wow. Look at all of us. That's like the 1997 team photo right there.

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NetSuite.com slash RichPod. Back here on our radio show and on the Roku channel as well, Charlie Steiner is here. We just showed a photograph from 1997 and how being in the SportsCenter heyday is such a... I cherish it that I was there.

It's a foundation to what we went on to do and become. And again, I'd never had any inkling of ever being on television. TV.

Yeah, never. But they were trying new stuff because by 88, SportsCenter was really teetering. And they brought in, of course, John Walsh, the legendary editor, managing editor. And they... Rolling Stone, right?

Rolling Stone, Newsday, Washington Post. Either that, he was really great or he couldn't hold a job. Whatever it was, he was always at great places. But he was the mastermind behind that SportsCenter. And they experimented.

They brought in people that hadn't done it before. There you are with Berman right up there in the old school days. Oh, that's when we did one of the commercials for the 60s.

That's right. Yeah, right, a SportsCenter in the 60s. And they gave Boomer a very bad wig. I just remember, again, when I walked in the door there, I was 26 in 1996. And I just remember walking in there. And it was everybody who I'd seen on television.

And now you guys are automatically my colleagues. And I was blown away by that. And it was you, Bob Lee, and Robin Roberts doing the early SportsCenter, the early evening SportsCenter. I know you said it was seven when the Carl Lewis stuff happened 30 years ago. When I first arrived there, it was six o'clock SportsCenter. It varied from six, six thirty, seven...

But it had kind of fixed at six o'clock when I walked in the door. And it was Dan and Keith from the big show. And then the evening show, the 2 a.m. SportsCenter or 2 30 a.m. SportsCenter when I first arrived there was, you know, the spot where Kilbourne was doing his thing and Brett Haber was there and Carl Rabbit.

Tarico? Tarico had kind of already moved out and started doing other things. And he would then come back every now and then. And I did a few SportsCenters with him. And Linda Cohen was doing a ton of shows. And then they hooked Stewart and I up together.

And we kind of did that over and over again for six years. It was so wonderful about it. And you and Stewart had it. Bob and I and Bob and Robin and I had it.

Bob and Robin are friends of mine to this day. And chemistry happens. You can't invent it.

You can't create it. Either you have it or you don't. You guys had it. We had it. Dan and Keith sure had it.

Yeah. It was sometimes combustible chemistry. But that is part of what I think also made it so great is that on occasion we were skating on the edge. We were on the Razor's Edge.

You know what also in retrospect I think made that group happen when it did? The fact that we were in Bristol, Connecticut. There was nothing else. We were our one another's families. Because there was nothing else to do. There was no place else to go. There were like two movie theaters within a country mile or country miles. And so we were this family. Occasionally dysfunctional. But a family that again in retrospect was far more talented than I ever gave it credit for when we were there. And it also met a certain time too.

Because I have given this a lot of thought. It was before these phones. And it was before the internet was, I know I'm dating myself, but the internet was just getting started. And it was a non-factor at that point.

Correct. And I know management knew that this was going to be something they needed to mine. Or I didn't get ESPN Go.com going. And they had their own phones too. But before all of that, people were still tuning into SportsCenter to see something maybe for the first time or for the only time after seeing it live. And we were there to tell them the story. They watched our show, the early show, Bob and Robin and I, to find out what they had missed during the day. They turned into Keith and Dan to watch the highlights of what had transpired. Because, again, there was not that wide panoply of games to watch because there weren't.

So at least we were able to take in the video and edit them up. And then the late show was kind of a combination of the two. And I remember what a big deal it was when they started to re-air the 230. And the only reason they did that was in the morning at 8 a.m. there was Body by Jake. That's right, Jake Steinfeld.

Yeah, who I see all the time. And so they had those kinds of shows in the morning. And somebody went up to Steve Bornstein, who was the president of the network at the time, and said, what do we need this Body by Jake nonsense for?

Why not some highlights? And with that, the re-airs began. And they started getting earlier and earlier, believe it or not, because Steve Bornstein wanted to have something to watch while he was doing his workouts in the morning. And he had enough swing to say, hey, call up the programming department, put it on earlier and earlier. And that's what they did.

Exactly. And I wound up, because I did those sports centers in the middle of the night and got re-aired throughout from 6 a.m. to 1 in the afternoon. I had the most, even probably to this day, the most exposure of my career while I was asleep. Out like a light at 7 in the morning, 8 in the morning, 9 in the morning.

And it was unreal. I still have people coming up to me today, Charlie, saying, I, you know. I woke up with you.

I woke up, I went, or the one that really is the, you know, the mind blower, is I watched you and Stu before getting on the bus to go to school. I get that a lot. But I love it.

You know, I know obviously it makes me feel older, but there's nothing like that. I mean, it's a connection that I don't know, that I would love to replicate here every day. And I hope that I do with people who take in the show and listen to it and watch it, that they feel like what we're saying is a wink and a nod to them. And if they don't get it, they know they might be missing out on something and want to keep up on it. And if they don't get it, you've humored yourself. What did I say the other day to you? I'm like, at least I'm making myself laugh right here.

And that's what it is. You know, and now having been around for so long, young broadcasters, we just hired Stephen Nelson to add to the TV crew. Talked to him the other day and, you know, he grew up watching.

I mean, really grew up, you know, he was preteen. And so, again, we were lucky. We were just at a time where ESPN and SportsCenter grew exponentially and we were just, we were just on the rocket ship and having fun.

Yeah. And got away with it. Charlie Stoner here on the Rich Eisen Show. And you just mentioned, you know, Steve Nelson says, I used to watch you and you could have said that same thing to Vin. I'm sure you did for all those years. You got a you got a good Scully story. You got I know I know that I'm asking to choose one here, but you got a good Vin story. I'll tell you what, when he passed away in August, it really. Hit me, it hit me hard.

He was really my second dad because he was the guy that I grew up wanting to be like, he was the guy that I listened to when I was seven years old and they were the Brooklyn Dodgers. There are two things. One, Vin, like me or me, like Vin, not comfortable in public settings, just, you know, if he wants to get in, get out and move on. And I asked him and I asked him about that once. And he said, it really when I'm in a public setting, it's four B's. Oh, what are the four B's? Be there, be early, be seen, be gone.

Works for me. And then I was somebody had asked me to write a book, oh, I don't know, 10, 12 years ago. And I was really for the same reason, I just don't like that attention all that much. And I said, you never wrote a book. And why is that? And he said, it boils down to the three E's. Oh, and what are the three E's?

I have neither the energy, the ego or the economic need. I said, good. And so those pearls of wisdom that I was able to get from Vin over the years, things like that, he is embedded in me. And I do, you know, miss him and that has no, you know, nothing born out of just the old school that we'll never see again, I don't think, we'll never say, will we ever see another broadcast where management says, we're going to blow off half of a commercial break, just to have you come back, turn your back to the field, look at the camera and tell a story.

That's what we're going to do. And that's what he did. And, and it felt like we were talking about a connection that people have with a listener or a viewer. I mean, nobody, nobody had a bond quite like him with, with anybody that was comfortable in his own skin as anybody I've ever met. He was, he had a presence and, you know, there's so many things about which we were similar.

There are many things were different. He never had a day in his life or a pair of blue jeans. Never once. I of course live in blue jeans. I got dressed up for you.

I've got black. I appreciate that. Otherwise you're forever in blue jeans. Good. Thank you, Neil. And so he would look at me and my jeans and give me one of those, but we, it was almost a father, son, wonderful relationship from which I was enormously lucky, you know, Monday, Rick Monday, me, Billy Delury, who was, who came over from Brooklyn with Vin and the four of us would have lunch or dinner before every game. And mathematically we had upwards of a thousand dinners, the four of us just talking about life and stuff and not always baseball.

Um, and so just being around him and watching how he conducted himself, he was just as comfortable in his own skin as anybody I've ever met. Charlie Stoner here, a few more minutes left with Charlie here in studio on the Rich Eisen show. Uh, when do, uh, when does Charlie Stoner and catchers report? When does that happen?

They, before me, they, before you, they long before. Okay. So they show up generally around, uh, Valentine's day opening day, March 31st right around the corner. Pretty much. Yeah. Um, but the Padres seem to have joined this battle, Charlie. They're good.

They're good. The Dodgers have some questions this year going, what are your questions? Uh, who's playing second, short, third, left and center. Those are a lot of questions. Uh, who's closing.

Uh, what does the rotation look like? Bring it on. Um, but this is one of those, I think, years of transition and we'll see how it, it plays out. Um, you know, Trey Turner is gone. Justin Turner is gone. A couple of the starters are gone. Are they resetting their, their, their, their luxury tax to me is worth the money to go overspend on Trey Turner.

I don't think he wanted to be here. Is that it? I think Trey Turner want to back East. Yeah.

Okay. His wife is from New Jersey. He is from Virginia and they were, and, and so Philadelphia just seemed to be the perfect landing spot for him.

And again, all this money now players can really make a decision more than ever about lifestyle rather than having to extend the extra dollar. I think they just wanted to be on the East coast. And by the way, they go to a real good team. They sure do.

They sure do. You're defending a nationally champion Philadelphia. And they were fun down the stretch.

They were great. I know. Um, so, uh, we haven't spoken about this yet. Um, you're a perfect person to chop it up with. Uh, I don't know. I, I always am hesitant to complain about somebody making a hall of fame because it is such a remarkable personal journey capper for that individual.

Um, but I never once watched Scott Roland and thought to myself, that is a guy who was going to Cooperstown. I'm happy to say, uh, I'm on the other side. Okay. And I will tell you why.

Go for it. Set all the numbers aside. The fact that he was a really solid, good third base, right? September the 17th, 2001, six days after nine 11, uh, I am assigned to do the first game back, the Phillies and the Braves at veterans' stadium. And none of us were sure of the appropriateness of being there.

What are we supposed to feel like? And I took the train down from new Haven to Philly and I'm going through the tunnel and off to the left. What remained of the twin tower still smoldering get to Philly. I don't know about 11 o'clock in the morning. And again, nobody was traveling to speak up and, uh, get to the hotel.

And then I just go to the ballpark and I'm there about noon, one o'clock and a bunch of players. They're not even dressed yet. They're just walking around everybody.

It's suspended animation. Nobody knows quite how to feel. And so Scott and I are sitting in the stands behind the first base dugout, still in our street clothes and asking each other, how do you feel? Should we even be here?

Right. Um, and nobody quite knew we had, there was no, nothing to base it on. And he said, um, I don't feel right, but you know, we got to play. He had two home runs that night and the Phillies won the game to me in that moment as a human being, he became a hall of Famer. And then he, he had a very substantial career and I was only 17, 18 third baseman have ever been inducted into the hall of fame, which was kind of a, a jarring number. But that day I became a Scott Roland fan for life.

And whenever we see each other, we haven't. Well, I mean, that is a, it's a terrific story, a remarkable story. And yes, like I see the wins above replacement statistics that he's a top five wins above replacement. I don't get that.

I don't know the war stuff either. Uh, I just know, you know, watching them, I, I thought he was a terrific baseball player, but I just did not think I was watching somebody who was generationally brilliant and, and is going to be in the same room as, you know, Ruth, generationally consistent. He was really good. Uh, but do you, a hall of fame where, you know what I mean?

Like, and, and of course I'm, you know, I'm totally biased. I think Mattingly is a terrific ball player. Even I am understanding that he is a borderline, if not, not hall of fame player.

But if he, if, if Roland and Harold Baines are in, then I, that's, that's where I'm going with this. And I think the, the precedent setter was Bill Mazuroski, who was a terrific defense of second baseman, period. Um, but was he a hall of famer? Probably not. Hit a great home run.

Yes, he did. And it cost me a dollar and, uh, it cost me a week, a week's allowance when Mazur, you got time for a story? Sure. I'll give you a story.

So Mazuroski hits the home run. It's 1960. I'm 11 years old. And I was picked up every Thursday or whatever day it was, uh, by my piano teacher from Ella, from Lindner place school. And she was going to drive me to my house where my mom bought a piano so I could learn to play the piano, which I didn't want to do. And on this particular day, she picks me up. I said, can I have the day off? It's the seventh game of the world series. Yeah.

No. So I have, I made a bet, a dollar with a friend of mine, little Ronnie held from down the street. A dollar was like, it's like 20 packs of baseball cards. That's a lot of money.

I mean, that's, that's a lot of dough. And I had the Yankees. So I'm playing on top of old Smokey. That was your tune?

That's what I was working that day. I was Jerry Lee Lewis on, on top. So now, doorbell rings, Ronnie held comes running into the house back in the day when you could run into other people's house. The pirates won. The pirates won.

Mazeroski hit a home run as long before walk off Mazeroski hit a home run. I knew two curse words. And my piano teacher got both of them at high volume. That was the end of my piano playing career.

Fast forward now to the 80s, 90s. I meet Mazeroski for the first time. And I tell him, he cost me 20 packs of baseball cards, a week's worth of allowance because you hit the home run and I'm playing on top of old Smokey. I meet him subsequent times. Every time I saw him, he would go done, done, done, done, done, done.

So Mazeroski for me will never be a Hall of Fame. It cost me a dollar. Charlie Steiner, you are, you're the best man. Thanks for coming in here. I'd love to have you every now and then if you just want to come here and hang out and just tell more stories. I'm a lonely guy. No, you're not.

You're not at all. Happy to. Good to see you, Charlie Steiner.

Absolutely. The great Charlie Steiner here on the Rich Eisen Show. When we come back, we finally have a new head coach of the Panthers. We'll tell you who that is.

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Story upon story upon story. Isn't that great? Yeah, Bill Mazeroski made him curse out his piano teacher in Little Ronnie, whatever he owed a dollar to, and then he gets to tell Bill Mazeroski this story. Sounds just like me with the meeting Mattingly for the first time in Tiger Stadium, embarrassing myself completely and then telling him like, hey, you remember when I first met you? No, I don't. Okay, great.

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Who doesn't? Yeah. Frank Reich is the new head coach of the Carolina Panthers.

Yeah, buddy. He quarterbacked him in 95 by the way. And then when he was done with his playing career, uh, he attended seminary in Charlotte.

So this can be painted a bit as a homecoming in a way. Frank Reich, the new head coach. Hey, I thought Steve Wilkes did a pretty good, damn good job there. And it's just tough to be an interim head coach and get hired, unless of course your name is Jeff Saturday and he may, he may have that job in Indianapolis.

It seems he's still a front runner. Look, I thought it was an impetuous firing to fire Frank Reich to say the least. I mean, the guy knows how to coach and he knows how to coach quarterbacks.

And the question, first question for him is, is Sam Donald, is that what you've been brought to do? Or are the Panthers going to go get somebody else and hook them up to Frank Reich and say, grow old together. Tom Brady. Carson Wentz is out there. That's one guy that ain't going to Carolina. It's Carson Wentz.

Good one. And you say Tom Brady. I don't think that's Brady's spot. I don't think that's Brady's spot. I mean, when you, when you, when you hire a new coach, it's just like, well, that's terrible.

That's good. First of all, you never know any single time a new coach gets hired. I always think we'll retread this, retread that. Just remember Joe Torre being hired in 1996 from the New York Yankees. Such a retread.

They, they, they, they, they were printing championship rings there. Bill Belichick. Another one.

Yeah. So Frank could be a perfect fit and we'll see what happens. The question is again, like, so is it Donald or it's not? And if you like Donald and you thought he was actually doing well, I mean, and bless that kid, he, he, he hasn't had the same situation for back-to-back years, probably since USC. So he's got Frank Wright coming in and that would be a blessing for him, I would think. So we got a Super Bowl winning quarterback just sitting on the bench and no one ever talks about, this is ridiculous to me. Who is that? Nick Foles.

I don't think, I, okay. I don't think that's where he's going, but. You can listen to the NFL and the NFL app on westwoodonesports.com via Westwood One Station streams or by asking Alexa to open Westwood One Sports.

If it's the NFL, it's on Westwood One. So check out that, check, check that one spot off the list for Sean Payton. That's, he's not going there. I think Sean Payton's going back to Fox. I think that's not, I think he is too. Didn't Breier say that yesterday? Yeah, I think he is too.

Just smells like it. Go hang out on Fox for another year. You'll be free of the, of the New Orleans compensation that would be hanging over any team that might want you or you might want them and they're not willing to spend and you, so the next spot you go to, you're hamstrung for the first round selection that's not yours anymore? Or do you just wait it out, see if one of the Los Angeles gigs opens up or Dallas has finally run its course in its mind with McCarthy and you wind up there.

Play golf out here in Los Angeles, live in Los Angeles, hang out on Fox, make that money and do it again. He likes it. I mean, he loves it.

That's not a bad. He likes doing it. That's a good life.

That's a great life it seems like. He likes it. I mean, Sean.

What's not to like? He's good at it too. And he's really good at it. Yeah. But I mean, these guys miss coaching. You know, Rich. Can't get out of it.

I know. We'll never get it out of his head. Well, but I think he's definitely going to go back to coaching.

The question is, does he have to take one right now? Denver, you go there. It's a beautiful place to live, a beautiful place to go be a head coach. Yeah. But do you think Russell's the guy?

Arizona, great place to be. Do you think Kyler's the guy? These are all questions that Sean Payton has to answer. And one thing that, you know, he doesn't have to answer is, is he going to Carolina?

Cause they went with Frank Wright. There you have it. Okay. We're just going to go back to our bread and butter to finish today's show. Ankles? Yeah. Our bread and butter is we cover ankles unlike anybody else in the business.

Brilliant. So we became a list show. Now we're an ankle show. We're an ankle show. Top five ankles.

Give me music. An anatomy show. There's only one ankle we're talking about today.

No, no. It's Patrick Mahomes. Remember I said earlier when he spoke today and we, we show you those soundbites from today's press conference about his ankle.

I said, will somebody take, did somebody take a video of his ankle? Michelle Steele has done so. Thank you, Michelle. Here we go. All right. Here it is. Okay.

Oh, that's on purpose. Let's see it again. Check it out. Okay. Okay.

Hold on a second. He didn't use the steps in front of him just yesterday. Yesterday. Do you have yesterday's footage?

Do you have yesterday's footage? Yesterday's footage that you used as proof that he had a hitch in his giddyup. He used the little steps. He used the steps there. And he went out the door and you're like, wait, wait a minute. The going down the little steps that you thought that was a hitch. And I thought, no, that looked like it flowed to me.

Today. He looks at those little steps and says, no, no, no. Here's the next part of my rehab. I'm going to full step down off the riser onto his foot. That is hurt.

Look at that. He used his right. He landed on the bad ankle. He did not land on the ankle. He uses his tippy toes to get down. If you look, no pressure goes on the heel. He's like, that's how he walks.

He doesn't walk on his nose. Guys. Hold on a second. That's ridiculous. Show that to me. One more time.

It's seriously. Watch. So you're saying his left foot is on his toes. Right foot, right foot. Step it down.

These guys are wrong. Put any weight on the actual ankle. It's all on the toes. Yup. Yeah.

He's like, he favored the toe. I'm going to say that. I don't know what he's talking about today. This is practice footage from today. From today. Come on. James Palmer's on it again. Let's go.

All right. Oh, this is a full skip now. Oh, showing off skipping. Oh, he hit the B button right there. He hit him with a burp.

Come on. He knows he's on camera. He's now showing off. That's an FP. That's a full practice.

Yes. And that's a BP. A Bengals problem.

That's a Bengals problem. That is a BP. BP, BP, YP. YP is your problem.

And if that's a Bengals. I'm fuzzy on these. What's his YP thing? Oh my God. Yesterday.

Here's the deal. Yesterday, he took the little steps down. And he kind of eased his way into a skip at practice. Today, he looks at those little steps and he's like, screw that. I've got a full step down from the riser in me and I'm going to land on the ankle.

That's a problem. I'll show everybody. I don't need little steps. Little steps was so yesterday. Today's the big ass riser step. And then I'm going to practice and I am going to spin around. Skip.

I know James Palmer's out on the max. What he's on the 6x on his iPhone. He's going full 6x where he's sitting in the rafters. And I'm going to spin around. Also, he's going vertical.

Come on, landscape. James, what are we doing? So in other words, yesterday was old cell service. Today, he's got his full new Einstein cell service and he's left his butt behind. Thank you.

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