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January 19, 2023 3:09 pm

Guest host Suzy Shuster and the guys break down the NFL’s Divisional Round games and the latest news from around the league. 

NFL Insider Tom Pelissero tells Suzy how Byron Leftwich went from a hot head coaching candidate to getting fired as the Buccaneers’ Offensive Coordinator, which teams are the frontrunners to land Sean Payton as their next head coach, the likelihood Tom Brady retires or comes back for another NFL season, and how the Lamar Jackson-Baltimore Ravens contract negotiations could play out. 

Suzy and the guys discuss the anniversary of the Raiders/Patriots “Tuck Rule Game,” the 49ers vs Cowboys, ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm,’ parenting and more.

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This is the Rich Eisen Show with guest host, Suzy Shuster. There's one thing she's not. Uh-huh.

She a Beyonce. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. When I see Brock Purdy, man, I just see a baby face kid.

I think he's fearless. Today's guests. NFL Network insider, Tom Pelissero. Pro football hall of famer, Kurt Horner. Pro football hall of famer, Marshall Vaught. Roku's The Cupcake Guys. Michael Griffin, Brian Arekpo, and Brian Hindson. And now, sitting in for Rich.

She a Beyonce. It's Suzy Shuster. Hey. Hey, everybody. Happy Thursday to you, Suzy Shuster, in for Rich Eisen. He is on assignment, as we like to say in the business.

On assignment today, so here I am. By the way, came with donuts. Didn't come today with the usual. Boo.

I don't have the usual. There's no champagne today. Oh, boo. There's no orange juice. There is Postmates, but I bring, hold on, Chris Brockman.

I'm just kidding. Hi, Chris Brockman. How are you? Hey, Suze. What's happening?

No, no. The cupcake, the donuts, we've already had three each. That's nice. Sidecar donuts from Manhattan Beach, I want you all to know. We're ready for a sugar coma about hour two.

Right. So we're riding high today. Good to see you. What's up? It's nice to see you as well. Mikey Del Tufo, how are you? Good to see you, Suzy. Good morning.

TJ Jefferson, how are you? We're here to remind you as the mimosa queen. That means when you make an appearance, the people, not even us so much, the people expect us to have mimosas. The people expect it.

We ain't got no mimosas. People can Postmate it here to the studios here if they want to. We could Postmate some champs. I mean, that's not the hardest thing to do. We could. There's no reason why we couldn't. Not the hardest thing to do. We have a streak going on.

I think that we should continue the mimosas. All right, TJ. So let me just explain to you all how this happened. Hi, Suzy.

And now you know why I'm a little behind the eight ball. Number one, I'm a little jet lagged. I came in from out of town for my best friend's 50th birthday, and I came to do this. Out of town? You mean out of the country? I said out of town.

I thought that was subtle. Okay. My bad.

My bad. By the way, 844-204-Rich. If you do want to talk today, and I hope you do, because anybody who watches the show when I'm in the seat knows that I like to talk to you guys. Yeah. She loves phone calls.

Just call in. I'll tell you secrets about Rich, I'm just saying. And for all of you on Roku. By the way, I have finally... I want to tell you this.

I listen to the show every day that I'm in the car on Roku, and it's so easy. And I'm a technidiot. I mean, I can't do anything. I can barely get on my computer.

I may have had Mike Hoskins help me make sure that I plugged in correctly because I thought that I wasn't using the computer correctly. There is a lot of football to talk about too, but I want to talk to you about this first. Because I am so happy that I can listen to the show and then text in all of my issues with it directly to Chris and to TJ on Roku. And by the way, I don't do it while I'm driving, but I might do it while I'm driving because it's so easy on Roku. So I just basically click on, click on, I listen to it on mobile, and I watch the show and it's awesome. So I'm thrilled that we are here on Roku because I got to tell you, for someone who's not good at this, this is really easy.

Very. I just wanted to tell you that. That's how I wanted to start the show today. But Roku Channel, Channel 210, listen on Sirius XM Sirius, Channel 218, XM 202, stream for free on the Odyssey app or Follow us on Twitter slash Instagram at Rich Eisen Show. Subscribe to our YouTube page,, Rich Eisen Show slash Rich Eisen Show.

Don't follow me on Instagram because I stink at social media, which is great. Big weekend here. Big guests ahead because, you know, I like to come in correct.

I like to bring Hall of Famers with me. So Kurt Warner, I may have called Brenda Warner this morning because I couldn't find Kurt first. And I left Brenda a message and I said, you know, don't you hate it when people call you looking for your husband?

It's so annoying. Where's your husband? My husband's on assignment. No, no.

I mean, that's what you said. It was her husband. I said, but by the way, by the way, where's your husband? I was like, wait, didn't I just say that he's on assignment, Chris?

And uh, and so, yeah, so I basically called Brenda looking for Kurt. It's so annoying. Can people call me all the time looking for it? I'm like, he has a phone.

I'm busy. Yeah, he's always on it. And I get, there's no reason why he should ever miss your call or text ever, ever, by the way, except for now we do have a new rule in the house and he's been really great about putting it down for a bit. He mentioned that the other day and he specifically said that he didn't have his phone on him when he was doing something with Coop.

Yeah. Well, you know, he was probably doing Coop's fantasy on Coop's iPad, but that's either here nor there. Coop, big game yesterday, big game lost by a point.

Uh, Oakwood versus Campbell Hall. Cooper had, and I think I may have to send this to Mike Hoskins, but for maybe an extra segment, you know, he's a left-handed pitcher and he's playing basketball right now. He threw a, just a dart down the court yesterday for an assist.

This is sixth grade basketball. This is serious stuff, but with that beautiful left-handed kind of loop and it just made me excited to think that baseball season is around the corner. Pitchers and catchers not that far away, to be honest. Like we're about like 38 days probably from pitchers and catchers. Kind of excited. Sherman Oaks Little League coming at you soon guys.

Let's rock. Well, Kurt Warner will be calling in. Marshall Faulk will be calling in.

Tom Pella. Sarah will be calling in very shortly to go over Byron Leftwich out. We hear about this this morning.

We're going to talk a little bit about the coaching carousel with him as well. Anniversary of the Tuck Rule. Congratulations on the win.

Chris Brockman. It's a great anniversary. Susie, as you know, we don't call it the Tuck Rule game. We call it the win. We call it the snow game. Yep.

Snow game at Foxboro. 21 years. Was it 21?

No. What's the anniversary? What's the date anniversary? That's 2001. 21. 21.

21 years ago today. The snow game. Yep. Congratulations on the win. Adam Vinatieri. We love you.

Two of the greatest kicks in NFL history. We just think you're a great guy. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I have to say, and I know that this hurt your feelings, TJ. We'd said, you know, I said about, you know, he's a real Maher is what you could say. Come on, man. I feel for Maher.

I got to tell you something. Maher is going to be- He's had a great season. He's going to be fine. Look, I once saw, and I saw it in person, I once saw Michael Jordan miss a breakaway dunk in a game. It happens. It happens.

I'm not, I'm not worried about Maher. But not four times. Well, that's the equivalent. I think the Yips are real, right? The Yips are real. They are real.

They are real. But now let me ask you a question. If I say Jose Viscaino today, will you be upset with me? Because every time I see Tristan Viscaino, don't you think of Jose Viscaino, the only guy to play for all four New York teams?

He played for all of them, those that were previous New York teams, present New York teams. Did you know that about Jose Viscaino? I did not know that. I am full of useless information, but I just thought that was kind of interesting. That is some weird wacky stuff.

Weird wacky stuff. So yeah. So we have a lot to talk about today, aside from the fact that I didn't bring champagne and clearly TJ's mad at me, but that's all right.

A little bit. We're going to talk to the Cupcake Guys, by the way, a Roku special, because I thought that's why I brought the donuts. Okay, that makes sense.

This is later on. I like a couple of former NFL guys who talk about cupcakes. That's my kind of show. I'm here for it.

Sounds like a great show. Is that wrong? Right. By the way. But yeah. Big weekend ahead. What are you interested in watching, Chris?

Yeah. So we're going to talk a lot about the games. We're in preview mode now. We're Thursday. We're 48 hours away from the Saturday games. And Mike, we talked about it too. The Sunday games are kind of like mini Super Bowls, guys.

It's like Rich said yesterday. When you looked at the schedule midway through the year and you're like, huh, what would be great NFC and AFC championship games? You're like, oh cool, 49ers, Cowboys, and Bills, Bengals. Those games are going to be phenomenal. So I'm looking forward to Sunday's games.

But then we got just that nice little appetizer on Saturday. Chiefs have been the best team, arguably, in the AFC. Patrick Wheel Homes is probably going to win MVP. And it's them against who we kind of thought would be here. It's a team that we didn't think was going to be here. This upstart, kind of plucky Jaguars team with Doug Peterson in his first year, kind of resurrecting and doing down there what we kind of maybe thought Urban Meyer was going to do, but didn't realize quickly. But did we? Did we? I think a lot of people had like, oh, Urban Meyer, OK, let's see what that looks like in the NFL.

And it was a gigantic poop storm. And now Trevor Lawrence is finally blossoming into this amazing kind of top prospect quarterback, number one overall pick, golden child that we thought when we first saw him at Clemson. And then who knows in the night game, right? It's Eagles, TJ, NFC East, divisional matchup. Anything goes.

Anything goes in this game. And this Giants team, you know, Daniel Jones, man, like Rich said, he looks like Colin Kaepernick out there. I just can't wait. I don't know if these are the eight best teams in the NFL, but I think these matchups are so good and so compelling.

I think we're going to get four awesome games. Yeah. And Saquon Barkley looks pretty good, too, as well. Do you think that Trevor Lawrence looks like Spicoli or is it just me? Because every time I see him, I think of Spicoli. I mean, it's easy to draw that comparison.

Is it just because I'm old and so I'm saying Spicoli. But I mean, come on. At some point, maybe I could ask for a side by side comparison. And I think it would be downright uncanny, but that's that's just me.

I'm just down and he likes Waffle House. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. I think you have to be careful about saying that you can't imagine a stadium being any louder than where he plays. I mean, Arrowhead is insane as we go to the ring goal. Arrowhead is insane. And, you know, it's kind of funny. He's taken some some much deserved kind of kind of ribbing for that.

I mean, look, I don't know. Maybe Jacksonville was loud. Never been there. If anyone was there at the game on on Saturday, call us. But yeah, Arrowhead is a different world.

It's like Arrowhead and Seattle, Seattle, whatever they call their stadium now, like those are the two loudest places I for sure have ever been. And I don't know if Trevor Lawrence has ever played Kansas City. I don't think so.

No, I don't think so. And I just think, you know, it's we say this all the time, TJ. It's just bulletin board material. Why bother giving another team anything? Why bother giving a fan base any material? Just just just go out there and say, I'm excited to play the game.

I'm going to take it one down at a time. That's boring, though. Yeah, but that's how you guess why boring it is boring.

But Derek Jeter made a lot of money being boring. I mean, that's true. I you know, I'm kind of always under the impression that if you're a professional athlete and you've got a big game coming up, you should probably be able to get yourself up for it. And I don't see how, you know, the bulletin board materials should motivate you any more than you really need to be.

But from what I understand, it does work for some people, I guess, for it just depends on the person. So, you know, I'm pretty sure I'm here and you're here. Doesn't that make it our time? OK, that was kind of late on that.

But you know, I remember that was saying, though. But don't you think that OK, here's a question. This could be the poll question for today. Do we have a poll question?

I always like that one. Now we do. We do now. Who is the one player that you wouldn't want to irritate before a game?

I'm going to nominate Michael Parsons. How about that? I mean, I actually think that's interesting to think about, you know, so much of football is mental. Right. We know that. And so much of any sport is mental. I would not want to irritate Michael Parsons. He's going to be the one guy, I think, that I want to stay out of his lane. And I understand that, you know, we talk about bulletin board material.

Maybe the media likes it more than you do watching or listening at home. But I just think you don't want to irritate a fan base or anybody who looks really angry. Yeah. Also, Trevor Lawrence, they played at the Kansas City this year. He's been there. So he has been there. He has been there. He knows.

He knows how loud it is. What is he talking about? Is he trying just to make his own fan base feel good? Does he want them to travel?

I mean, what's happening? Maybe he's just trying to stir it up. I didn't hear his quote, but I'm assuming he said that he hasn't heard anything as loud as he is. I can't imagine it's going to be as loud there.

They're like, oh, what are you going to do about the noise and arrow? OK, well, I can't imagine it's going to be as loud there as it has been in Jacksonville the last two weeks. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're going to say that you're going to hype up your your crew and your fan base.

Yeah, I don't I don't have a problem with that. If you again, if you're a chief right now and you're struggling for motivation and you see that and that's what it takes to get you up for this game. I don't know.

I don't know if you were up for it to begin with. Look, guys, all I know is, is that Jag the Jags have won six in a row and Trevor Lawrence is undefeated on Saturdays. Never lost a game on Saturday. He's 37 and 0 on Saturdays, OK, 32 and 0 in high school, 32 in college, 3 and 0 in high school, 2 and 0 in the NFL. What day is the game, Chris? And the game is in two days, Saturday. Jags chiefs. That's all I'm saying.

So statistically speaking, Trevor Lawrence is unbeatable. Jaguars should be favorite in the game on day six. Is this when we cue Elton John Saturday, Saturday?

What is that? Saturday's all right for fighting. It is all right for fighting and apparently all right for playing football. It's Saturday.

I love it. I think this game is going to be sneaky good. I know that like the line is eight and a half like Vegas and everyone expects Kansas City to just blow them out. But they were just down 27 nothing. Yeah. And they came back and won.

And by the way, I don't care if it was a charger. He looked awful, awful and then great. I mean, come on. All he has to do is not throw four picks in the first half of the game on Saturday, but name another guy in better shape. But name another guy that had such a disastrous first half and then went on to win the way he did.

Nobody. Because it was a hot mess. Hot mess. Hot mess. But honestly, that's what's so cool about this weekend's matchups. I mean, raise your hand in the room.

And by that, I mean all of us. If these are the teams that you had moving forward, you did. Oh, yeah. Got them all right. Really? Yeah.

I don't think so. Chris, how far off are you? Very, very, very, very far off this week.

I mean, you know me. I'm sad because, you know, my guy's not out there. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Where's he going to go? All these people saying, oh, maybe it's going to be a reunion in Boston.

I'm like, I don't think so. I'll tell you what. Slim and done. By the way.

Slim just left the room. That's cute. I like that.

I made it up. The Raiders? I don't see him. I mean, can you see him? Like, he'd have like a Vegas act on Saturday nights walking up there, hi everybody, I'm Tom Brady. Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for Tom Brady.

Hey. I mean, he would. Also, you want to be in the same division as, we can talk about this all day. You want to be in the same division as Herbert Holmes and whoever goes and coaches Denver with Russell Wilson and tries to fix him, like, I don't know. I think the NFC South seems a lot better and more, you were just eight and nine and won the division. Like, why would you leave that place?

If you're done in Tampa, fine. I mean, Byron Leftwich got fired this morning. We kind of all expected that. We did, and he was up for a lot of head coaching jobs, let's face it, last year. So yeah. Now what? I don't know. I guess we asked Tom Pelissaro, now what? Tom Pelissaro next. But yeah, I mean, Carolina, I don't know. Sean Payton goes to the Panthers.

They were going to go to Miami, so why not just go to Carolina and keep winning that division? I don't know. Who was it that was saying, well, he just needs Gronk to come back and then he can have another run in it? I mean, is Gronk the answer to everything? No, well, I would say probably not.

I don't see that as being the answer. Gronk's 33. He's checked out.

That's a pretty old first time. What's he even doing? Gronk's trying to get some USA in him. He wants that USA membership.

He wants that bad, like in the worst way. Is he going to end up like, what was his name? What was the name of the guy in Against All Odds, the former NFL player who went on to become an actor, and he was like the dad in a lot of things? Look at that Chris, come on. Alex Karas?

That's it. Alex Karas. I think he was like the dad in the show. A dad in a show? No, he was the dad on Webster.

Is it Webster? Yeah. And then he was like the bad guy in Against All Odds, so is Gronk going to become like the next maybe like Bond guy, like the villain? Is he just going to have a sitcom? It's going to be called Gronk. He must have already pitched a sitcom called Gronk, right? Is it Gronk?

If not, do we go pitch that right now? It's a prank show called Gronk. You got Gronk'd. You got Gronk'd. That sounds like something that Shaq would do. That's like a Shaq production. By the way, that is easy money for the Gronkowski family.

You're welcome. That should have already been in production. Should we go pitch it right now? Should we get off the air like, hey guys, we'll be right back and get the rest of the pitch of the show. Yeah, Mike, you take the rest of the day, we're going to go downtown and pitch. By the way, we're busy. can help you tackle the job hunt to make your next career move in football and in life.

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Should I go to to see what I'm getting paid for this? I'm just saying, like, you're paid in donuts and I don't even need donuts. So what else? I'm getting bupkis. Yeah, I didn't even see you have one now I don't eat donuts, it's not my thing.

I get it. You know, I mean, I have a lot of things to say about that, but I'm not a donut. What's your favorite donut, TJ? My favorite donut? I'd say probably one of my all time favorites is Dunkin Donuts had like this powder with like, you know, like the what?

How do I even say? You mean Dunkies? No, it's a filling. It's like white, but it's not like the yellow cream. Bavarian, Bavarian cream, Bavarian cream. It's the white cream.

And that's Boston. Oh, they're just vanilla cream. No. Yeah. Vanilla cream. Yeah.

So I do. I always was a particular fan of that one. I'm down. What would you eat? Chris? Oh, coffee cake muffin.

Ooh. Poor Tom Pelissaro, he's going to be like, every time Susie comes on to do the show, they talk about weird things. When we come back, Tom Pelissaro, the NFL Network insider will join us.

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Come back in. Oh, so it's a treat when players meet, Suzy. You know that treatment players meet. It really is a treat, isn't it?

And you're not just saying that because they bring sugary coated snacks. Tom Pelosaro joins us now on The Rich Eisen Show, the NFL Network insider. Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us today. Well, thank you very much, Suzy, for filling in. I know it's like to sit in that chair, which has been gracious enough to have me out there.

But I think you still set up the power rankings in that regard. That's because he doesn't have to pay me. But that's OK. Do you know what I mean?

And also, there have been times where I've hit his alarm clock and suddenly showed up at the studio because I'm bored and missed the microphone. But how are you today? Great. Just in the thick of it here, hard to believe, we're, what is it, 24 days from the Super Bowl and the basically coaching searches and I'll head to Mobile, Alabama in like 10 days for the Senior Bowl. It has flown by. It honestly has.

Yeah. This has been a fast season. For Byron Leftwich, what's happening down there in Tampa Bay? Byron Leftwich and a bunch of the other assistant coaches, particularly on offense earlier today.

This was, I would fairly say, a poorly kept secret within the league. It had been known for weeks, if not months, that Leftwich was unlikely to return. And I think that, you know, you have a situation here where Todd Bowles found out in March of last year that he was going to be the head coach from Bruce Arians step aside. Of course, Tom Brady then came back and ended up starting. That's not an ideal time of year to completely remake your offensive staff. Bowles goes back quite a ways with some of the coaches on that team because they also were Bruce Arians assistants once upon a time, but he was unsatisfied with the offense throughout the year. I think it's fair to say Tom Brady was unsatisfied with the offense throughout the year and now they head into a fascinating offseason where Brady is a free agent. No telling exactly what the future holds for him, but all options, including going back to Tampa, are on the table. And whether he's there or not, this offense is going to look a whole lot different in 2023. Before we talk about Brady, I want to talk about Leftwich because he had so many people looking at him last year for head coaching jobs.

What do you think this means for him? Like, who might be looking at him? It's a good question. This is a really rare cycle too, where we have more offensive coordinator openings than I can ever remember because with Leftwich fired, that makes seven current OC vacancies. There still are a couple more that potentially could open up as we move forward here. And then you have five active head coaching searches. There are not 13 or 14 offensive coordinators walking the planet right now. We're just going to walk in and be instantly ready to do that job.

And so there's a lot of moving parts. I've been on the phone really all week here with coaches and agents and teams that are looking. Everyone's trying to figure out exactly what to do. Everybody wants to take the easy out at the end of a disappointing season. Okay, you fire the offensive coordinator, you move on. The question then becomes for a lot of people, now what?

And if you didn't have a plan in place to have an instant upgrade, you're going to be looking at all the available options. Byron Leftwich is certainly one of those. Michael Fleur got let go by the Jets. It certainly sounds like he'll end up ultimately with the Rams, but that's another significant name out there. Scott Turner had eight different quarterbacks in three years with Washington.

Is he a candidate for one of these OC jobs? There's up and comers, guys like Dan Pitcher, the Bengals quarterback's coach will be in that mix, Thomas Brown, the Rams assistant head coach, I could go on and on, but the point is you've got a lot of potential people, but not a lot of coaches who are going to walk in and every fan out there, much less the people in the building, are going to go, okay, we solved it and this offense is ready to roll. And not everybody can have Sean Payton, the Washington Post, reporting that the Panthers owner wants to throw everything but the kitchen sink to get him there, but who are the leading candidates to get Payton? And is it really about them offering Payton a job or Payton accepting the job?

I don't know that to be the case regarding the Panthers. I believe David Tepper is someone who is going to be very skeptical about having to give up multiple high draft picks to get a coach on top of paying him top dollar and all the other things that Sean Payton is going to want. Sean's a really good coach. There's a reason that four of the five teams with vacancies put in slips to interview him and currently have permission here, but when you're evaluating the different potential landing spots, in Arizona, which the one team that has not of those four scheduled an interview that I'm aware of with Sean Payton to this point, he's going to want to set the personnel operation and the Cardinals move to hire a new general manager in Boston and Austin first. That does not seem on paper like a situation that Sean Payton is going to want to get into.

Never say never, seeing crazy things happen. In Carolina, I don't know that it's going to line up with working out the trade there, but TBD. Does Sean Payton want to work in a setup with Nick Cassario in Houston? They had a conversation that is certainly still alive, but the one that seems to make the most sense, just logically, is the Broncos.

They interviewed him on Tuesday. He has a strong GM there in George Payton who he probably could work with. That would be an open question about what would happen on the personnel side of things, but he would walk into a situation where everyone hyper-focuses on the Russell Wilson trade and the picks you don't have. Well, Payton has also done a really good job drafting the last two years and he is a mass pick in other deals, whether it was getting two threes for Von Miller in a contract here who was trading Bradley Chubb and getting a one, among other things, back in return. They're not bereft of resources there, and in terms of the money and the draft picks it would take to get Sean Payton, the Walton Penner ownership group wants to be aggressive. They opened this entire process with three coaches on their mind, and it was Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, and Dan Quinn. Harbaugh, interviewed, would have liked to continue interviewing and remain a part of that process. The Broncos, though, wanted to run their process, and so eventually Harbaugh got to a point where he said, okay, I'm just going to go back to Michigan instead of waiting around to see what happens here. Sean Payton is still very much alive, and Dan Quinn is set to interview with the Broncos tomorrow in advance of the Cowboys' next playoff game coming up on Sunday.

There are certainly some intriguing things about Quinn. He interviewed for the job last year, they ended up going with Nathaniel Hackett instead. He also has a close relationship with George Payton. He's won, he's not won a Super Bowl, but he's been to a Super Bowl, he's had a great deal of success there, and he's set a culture on the defensive side of the ball in Dallas. That's a very long-winded answer to your question, but I don't know that to be true about the Panthers doing whatever it takes. The Broncos, if they decide Payton is their guy, then the price tag, in terms of picks or money, is not going to stop them. And Payton, the question is, like you said, how much control does he want?

I always think of Bill Parcells, I always think about the whole shopping cart thing, he wants to shop for the groceries. You think Payton, at this point, has so much attention, and he's been deified, maybe it's because he's the best available, but you have to wonder how much control he would want over his personnel. Well, you have to also remember, Sean Payton, back in 2006, really flipped that entire organization. The Saints had no winning history. They were coming off of Hurricane Katrina at that time.

They had to completely remodel things in terms of players. They made one incredible move, bringing it into a breeze, but there were a lot of other things there that Sean had to fix over the course of time. So he has shown he can do it. He also has taken over that job at, I want to say, 42 or 43 years old.

Now he's 59. This is not a 10-year build for Sean. He's one of the best coaches in football, but he's going to want to do it his way and get things in order. And it's not just a matter of power or control, so to speak, but he's just not going to want to be told, no, we're going to do things this way, because that's how we do them here. He's going to want to do things the way that he knows could be successful in the NFL.

He has the pelts on the wall to prove that his way works. So it would be an interesting conversation wherever he would land, because all four teams now have general managers in place that have requested him. It'll be interesting to see exactly how that works, because I have no doubt he'd want to bring in one of his own personnel people, even if the existing general manager stays in place.

But when you have that dynamic, you run the risk of potentially there being some friction as you try to build the thing. Tom Palaciero here on The Rich Eisen Show, Suzy Schuster in for Rich Eisen, who is out on an assignment. Before we let you go, and I want to be careful with your time, Tom Brady, I mean, everyone loves to prognosticate. I mean, I've seen him doing everything. He's going to open for Siegfried and Roy in Vegas, you name it, what he's going to do.

What do you think he's going to do? Siegfried and Roy sounds like a pretty good gig. Can't you see him? Can't you see Tom? If Tom's with the Raiders, does he get a Vegas act too? Being a 46-year-old quarterback in the NFL seems pretty magical, so I think you could pretty much do anything.

You'd be the new David Copperfield out there. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely a possibility. You know, you got the connections with David Ziegler and Josh McDaniels. There are, in all likelihood, moving on from Derek Carr. They do have, you know, they've got a stellar receiver in Devante Adams.

They got talented pieces on the defensive side of the ball. What they've been trying to do is set a new culture, and it's a culture that very much mirrors the one that Tom Brady and Josh McDaniels and David Ziegler saw can work in New England. And of course, people are always going to poke the holes in everybody who comes from New England.

If you can't create that culture anyplace else, maybe not. And Josh is not going to do things exactly like Bill's doing things. But there is a precision to everything that they do. It's how Tom Brady's mind is wired. You could potentially draft a quarterback, groom him for a year or two, because this is not going to be a two-, three-year type commitment for Tom Brady. If he continues to go, it's very much going to be year-to-year at this point. I would just tell you, people close to Brady for the last two months have said all his options are on the table.

He is showing that he seems more open to coming back and play another year than he did, certainly a year ago at this time when he retired and unretired, but even back in September. You know, he's had major changes in his life during that time. And some of those family dynamics will come into play, too, where his parents live, the fact that his children are on the East Coast.

Does he want to relocate to the West Coast, go back to San Francisco or go to Las Vegas or wherever it might be? You know, those are all things you have to take into account. He's the greatest player we've probably ever seen. He's also a human being, and that's never been more evident than it is right now.

So he has some very human decisions that he needs to make. And I would anticipate that he's going to make them relatively expediently, because just like last year when he came back on the eve of pre-agency, Tom Brady knows if he comes back, he's only coming back for one thing, which is to try to win another championship. And you can't do that if you decide in June or July to come back and the rosters are already set and you have no flexibility to build the team the way you want it. There's no way he's not coming back. I'm sorry. I just don't think there's any chance that this guy's going to go out the way he did.

I get the parents were in this stadium and were with him when he walked out, but that could have been for any myriad number of reasons. I just think there's no chance. What about Lamar Jackson? What's the latest you're hearing from there? The Ravens are going to have a press conference with John Harbaugh and Eric DaCosta, I want to say an hour, hour or two here. So I would anticipate that you're going to hear some type of messaging at minimum, not hey, we agreed to a contract, but at least a plan as they move forward here. My NFL Network colleague, Gene Rapport and Mike Carafolo have been reporting that they believe that it's going to be a commitment to Lamar for next season, a commitment to continuing to run that style of offense with Greg Roman.

We'll see exactly how they decide to shape that. The situation with Lamar is complicated because there's plenty of intellectual reasons that you can argue he should get every bit of the contract that Sean Watson got and more in terms of the value of the deal and the guarantees in the deal. But this is, as all contracts are, about leverage. Kirk Cousins had the leverage to get a fully guaranteed contract because he played out two franchise tags who was on the verge of and went into unfettered free agency. Sean Watson, from a football perspective, you know, not to discount the serious allegations of sexual misconduct, but from a football perspective, had a lot of leverage because he had multiple bidders and the Texans said, go ahead and negotiate contracts. The Browns got him after he told them that they were out by saying, we'll give you an unprecedented contract that's going to tick off basically every other team in the league. For Lamar to get to that leverage point, he would probably need to play out two franchise tags here. And we'll speculate, I'm sure, about is he actually going to show up if he gets tagged? Lamar played for like $3 million last season and he played for about 20 or so, 24 I think this season. The franchise tag is going to be closer to 40. Is he really not going to play for that? And I don't know. You know, he doesn't have an agent, his mother is his advisor.

There are just different dynamics, you know, at play with this situation. If he wants a fully guaranteed contract, the type the Ravens have not been willing to do to this point, he might have to continue going year to year. And at that point, Lamar, as much as the Ravens just have to hope it doesn't end the way the last two seasons did, which is him missing a chunk of games down the stretch and not being there when his team is eliminated because he got banged up during the season.

Tom, last question. Is this the direction the NFL is going with these fully guaranteed contracts? If I'm an owner, I'm shaking my head thinking, you've got to be kidding me. Well, agents and players would love if it went that direction. But you know, fully guaranteed contracts are never a bargaining issue. They're an individual contract precedent issue. No one was really able to build off of the Kirk Cousins contract. Nobody so far has been able to build off the Deshaun Watson contract.

We've seen several other quarterback deals get done here. Again, it comes down to leverage. Owners would love it if they start getting fully guaranteed contracts. But there's a variety of reasons that owners don't want to do that. Not the least of which is the funding rule, which, to give you the short version of it, if you give somebody like Deshaun Watson $230 million fully guaranteed and you pay him $46 million in the first year, well then the other, whatever that is, $184 million, you have to put it into escrow by the end of this month.

And it just sits there like a rock. Rich people don't like not making money off their money. And so unless that rule were to change, there's going to be always going to be that barrier to fully guaranteed contracts. But also it comes down to everyone's going to paint from the team side Deshaun's contract as an outlier. And that is absolutely going to be tested not just by Lamar, but as the Bengals try to get a deal done with Joe Burrow and the Chargers try to get one done with Justin Herbert and the Eagles with Jalen Hurts and potentially the Dolphins with Tua Tonga-Vailoa, every agent involved there is going to push for that type of a deal. Do they get it? Again, a lot of this comes back to leverage and whether or not teams are willing to do something that they know they're going to catch a lot of flack from other owners about, even though technically the owners are not allowed to talk to each other about what their contract offers are, because that of course, Susie, would be collusion.

Yeah, it would of course, and that would never ever happen. Tom Pelissaro, thank you so much for your time. Thanks for taking the time to join us.

You got it, Susie. Thanks. I would like to have a guaranteed contract. How many years? Forever. Lifetime. Lifetime guaranteed contract. Lifetime guaranteed.

Lifetime guaranteed. Although this is the problem, and this is how my brain works, and this is the sad truth. When he starts to say escrow, it's like I just tune out.

I'm like, oh wait, what do I have to do later on today? It just gets too complicated. Yeah. That's the thing about these guaranteed contracts. The owners have to prove they have the money.

That's it. They don't have to be able to put that aside and be like, okay, this is earmarked for this guy, and I can't touch it. Can't make any interest on it. Can't do any future things, and it's like, not every owner has that cash.

No, they don't. But, and let's face it, I mean, look, they're always thinking down the road of making these budgets fit as many high quality players as possible. You're tying up a lot of money.

Tying up a lot of money. Chris, I don't know. I don't know where Tom's going. He hasn't called me to discuss it, but I'm waiting for the phone to ring so that we can ... We can talk about that after the break here. Where do you think he'll go as opposed to where you want him to go? I think that's kind of a fun discussion. I want you to go home, Tom.

Go home to New England. You do? Really? Yeah. No, I don't, because that would be a hot mess. Right?

That would be a hot mess. See what you just did? I backtracked?

Immediately. You're like, because you want it, because nostalgia is a powerful drug, right, TJ? It is.

It sounds great. But if I don't want to go back to New England, why does he want to go back? I don't want to go back to New England.

No. Too cold. It's too cold. Too cold.

And it's the East Coast, and watching sports in the Eastern time zone is terrible. Stinks. I don't think I could do it. I guess we just talked about what we were going to talk about in the second, in the segment after this. Well, we can go to break. Okay, let's go to break. Let's go to break. When we come back, we're going to bemoan Tom Brady and probably do it in a Boston accent. That's basically what we do when I do the show. Welcome back to The Rich Eisen Show. Suzy Schuster in for Rich Eisen, who is on assignment. We were listening to Charles Woodson talk about the tuck rule, or we like to call it the victory game. I did own Charles Woodson in my clip, I'm just saying. You really did, didn't you? By the way, if you want to watch any old clips of The Rich Eisen Show, go to YouTube.

They're everywhere. I would say this. It's the 21st anniversary of the tuck rule, or as we like to call it, another win in New England in the snow. It's another win. She's blubbed. Snow game.

Mike, do you have a barfing sound over there? Snow game. Happy anniversary, everybody. Yeah. Just wanted to say happy anniversary.

Something that sounds like you're puking. All those to celebrate the snow game. Thanks for that win. Love you. That's all. All right, I'll talk to you guys later.

See you later. I mean, thanks for the win. That's all I'm going to say on the 21st anniversary of the tuck rule. And thanks to Willie and Adam Vinatieri and the referees. How old is Adam Vinatieri now? How old is he? And he's still in great shape. He's jacked.

He's jacked, right? He could still play. He could come out and... He could play.

Taos could sign him right now. EJ, would you take Vinatieri right now? Call him right now. Call him right now. I mean, Vinatieri's a Hall of Famer in my opinion, so sure. So let me ask you a question.

Call him right now. If Vinatieri were to suddenly show up in the greater Dallas-Fort Worth area, what's that signal that you're sending as a Cowboys guy? Would you be excited?

Is this what you're hoping for? I'm not sweating that. I mean, look, it happened. I don't think it's indicative of Brett's talent or skill level. It's just one of those things like, look, that threw a few interceptions the last few games.

You still got to have faith in them, right? I went back and watched the last set of downs for the last game last year, which was said, you know, go back and watch that again. He's like, you remember what happened? I said, no, I don't remember what happened yesterday. So I went back and watched T.J.

Okay. And what did you take away from it? That was tough. It was tough. I had to shake that off, but obviously they don't want a repeat of that again as we head into this weekend. Well, you also learn from your experiences, right?

Like I talked about Michael Jordan earlier and, you know, obviously Michael Jordan is an anomaly, but it took the Pistons kicking Mike around for a few years for him to get to that next level. I'm just as a fan hoping that what happened last year, that loss was so bad and so hurtful that like these players remember what happened. I don't ever. And another thing is people get on deck, but I'm really loathe to knock someone who's hustling and trying to make something happen, which is exactly what Dak was doing in that situation. Look, he came up short.

The clock ran out. I fully expect him to learn from that. This offense to learn from that and this team to learn from that.

And hopefully they carry that pain from last year's game into into the game this Sunday. Yeah. I mean, Chris, you also watch that play and it just looked like, where else was he going to go? I mean, you got to look at the clock. You got to see what's happening.

But didn't it look like, well, that would have worked on any other set of downs? Yeah. Yeah. I think so.

I don't know. I think the 49ers were just better last year. Right. I don't think they were better last year. I mean, like I said, if there were five more seconds on that clock, who knows what could have happened.

It worked. Maybe. So you got to live with it. But you're hoping that they learn from what happened last year. Of course, two different teams, two different seasons.

But yeah, different situations. But are they better this year? I think, I mean, obviously both teams are better.

I think both teams are a little bit better. Yeah, maybe Dak isn't playing as well as he was last year, but he played as well as he's ever played on Monday against Tampa. And I think you kind of ride that that momentum and see if your defense can kind of rattle a kid who's only played seven games. I think that's kind of your hope.

And that's the other thing, right? I mean, look, Brock Purdie's been riding the wave right now, right? Things have been going great. Ever been ever been. At some point, though, you would assume that the turbulence is going to have to settle and you're going to hit some turbulence, which he doesn't seem like he has when I mean, it's got to happen or else this kid's the greatest, like, you know, the greatest run in the history of football.

If he doesn't, we've all played craps and blackjack, right? You ride the wave when the waves go in and you know, it's on this person, you know, the shooters hit three or four points in a row. Oh, man, I got to make sure I'm pressing. Oh, yeah. And I'm cashing in. I bought a TV or two riding one of those couple of those waves. Jack, you win four or five, six hands in a row.

I mean, I've been I've been doubling up each time so I can really take advantage. But guess what happens at some point? Seven out at one point, twenty one blackjack. I've never played. So it's like that's you've never played. I've never played blackjack. I've never played poker. I've never played the other game you mentioned before.

What was it? Craps. Never played it. Nice. You know, like, nope. Shot dice.

I have put exactly two quarters into a slot machine. Never place kilo behind the school borders anymore. No. Okay. No.

My point is, what is your point? Chris, is that eventually the wave comes to an end. That's what I'm saying. It's a good thing we have Kurt Warner to ask about this, since he would know anything about this situation. And again, like I said, like I like to stack my shows with Hall of Famer. So at the top of the next hour, we'll ask Kurt Warner what he thinks is going to happen with this crazy ride. Will the dice continue to roll for Brock Bertie?

Right. Brock Bertie to me. Well, that's the thing is like, you know, again, we have to write the cheesy teases, right? Will Lady Luck come to a halt for Brock Bertie?

For Brock Bertie. Or everyone doing the curvy enthusiasm. It's been pretty, pretty, pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty. I mean, last time I did the show, Rich was like, don't do it.

He's like, everyone's already doing it. I said, but it's pretty. Pretty. Pretty. Pretty. Pretty. Pretty. Pretty. Good. I watched a lot of Curb on the plane. Oh, you did?

Mm-hmm. That's pretty great. By the way, laughing like a hyena the entire time. Was it just on the in-flight entertainment?

Yeah. And I couldn't find, it was like 57 channels and nothing on. There were no good movies.

I was so bummed out. But I also watched eight hours of 1883. And let me tell you something, I've already seen it once and it was just as good the second time. That show is intense. We just watched the first episode.

I was like, whoa. Just the first? You watched all of those ahead of you?

Of 1883? Yeah. Oh, I'm so jealous. The thing is, it's the same thing with Yellowstone. I had to stop halfway through season three because it was like, all right. This show's a little too dark.

No, it's not. God, I went to a dark place and I needed a break. I might leave Rich for Sam Elliott. What a cool dude he is.

I mean, listening to him talk, I could listen to him read the menu. Yeah. You thought it was too dark? It's pretty dark. It's pretty dark. It's pretty dark.

It's pretty dark. You have to be in that frame of mind. But it made me so appreciate what the pioneers did and how the country was and what a bunch of wussies people are now and, mom, my internet doesn't work. It's like, oh yeah, you could be a scout by Indians.

Yes, that is true. Should I say that to Xander next time? He's like, mom, my alarm clock didn't go off. I got him a teen alarm clock for teens. What does that mean?

So awful. Well, what does that mean? Because he sleeps through his alarm clock every day.

So I got him the special to wait till you wait till Cage needs a teen. Well, we have the one now. The colors. Yeah, the colors.

It's like, hey, don't come out of your room until the circle's green. How's that going for you? Zero. He doesn't even care. Do you have a gate?

No, we have the outdoor outside lock so we can lock the door from the outside. Oh, you do? God, you're like mommy dearest over there. Yeah. Let me tell you something. You know what doesn't work? A teen alarm clock.

Kurt Warner ahead, Marshall Falk ahead. The Cupcake Guy's ahead. This is the end of the first hour.

When you come back, more Rich Eisen show. So yeah, I got him this alarm clock. It's all different rainbow colors. It has lights that flash. It's like an epileptic seizure for this thing. And I put it across the room thinking like, at least this will get him out of bed. Yeah, because when the alarm goes off, you'll get up out of bed and you'll have to turn off. Now you'll be awake.

He's not an idiot. All he does is unplug it and go back to sleep. And I'm thinking like, what am I going to do to get this kid up? You know, as you would imagine, Cooper's up.

Six forty five. Arm goes up. He's stressed.

Yeah. He's focused. He's going to check his fantasy. He makes himself some breakfast. He does have to check his fantasy.

He's got to check his fantasy. He's killing all of us. By the way, he's slaughtering you. You guys are idiots.

Come on. Give him a give him a little run for his money. He's eleven. He's six and six, but Rich is murdering all of us.

How'd that happen? Guys, apparently you don't keep your husband entertained enough at home because this man has way too much time to say to say that his family show. This guy has made 88 moves.

The next closest moves has been thirty six made by Brockman and he's just recently been starting to make moves. That's all Rich does. Like, can you keep him engaged at home? Maybe play some played blackjack or craps or something like a puzzle. Make him watch White Lotus.

One of those thousand. Well, you know what his job is, he's the official Lego dad of the Eisen family. So he's been doing a lot of Legos lately.

OK, well, so can we get him more Legos so he could pay less attention to fantasy? I'll try to do that. Thank you.

I'll try to do that. Beating me nine to two right now. You shouldn't be very proud of that, Chris. Kurt Warner ahead, Marshall Faulk ahead as we wrap up this first hour of the Rich Eisen show.

Much more ahead. See you on the other side of the break. For over 40 years, Jim Ross has been the voice of wrestling. Nobody has stories like Jim Ross, and he shares his tales with co-host Conrad Thompson on Grilling J.R. The Bismick man was the top heel in the Attitude Era. It was a fresh character. It was new. It was material that we had not seen or heard to that date. We could have created a bigger or better heel. Now, we wanted to make more heels and we tried to make more heels and we did, but nothing compared to Vince. The Grilling J.R. podcast, listen wherever you get your podcasts.
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