REShow: Jim Mahoney - Hour 2

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JALAIWorld.com, Monday and Tuesday at 5 p.m., Friday at 7 p.m. This is the Rich Eisen Show, with guest host Tom Pelissero. Rich will join us later on in the show from Munich, Germany, where he's getting ready, along with the rest of the NFL Network Game Day morning crew, to call the Bucs-Seahawks game, coming up on Sunday, first regular season game in Germany. And you've got a pretty big star in this game, Tom Brady, of course, who was handed an interesting gift this morning. Let's show the video.

This is just from a short time ago at Tom Brady's press conference and what happened here. It's a special one that we have manufactured for you. Amazing.

Those are the Bucs ones with the Chibi12 logo on it. Very cool. And we're really proud to have you here in Munich. Thank you.

And you always have good memories when you think back to Munich. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. You guys like that?

How would that look going out to the game in that? Pretty good. Thank you. That is awesome.

Thank you. Those do not look comfortable. I'll try to wear that out there. Pure leather. Look really tight. It seems like a new item on the Brady brand website. Those are a little chafing.

I don't know that those are going to fit. I mean, I was going to make a comment about Brady underwear, but I think I'm just going to leave it alone. No, please. That's what we're here for. Make the comment. Thinking about it? Just going to leave it right there.

Wild guess. Brady apparently said he might make back of quarterback Kyle Trask wear them to the game on Sunday. So that's really what I'm rooting for. Although Trask is a big guy. Trask is like six foot six.

Look at that. I don't think he's fitting. I don't know if Brady's fitting in there. Kyle Trask definitely is not. Maybe this is Brady's plan, which is the thighs of Kyle Trask just blow out the lederhosen and he never has to worry about anyone daring him to put them on again.

I think those are more so like find a frame, put them up in the wall in the office. You can see that. Not necessarily to rock around Tampa. All right, Brockman, it's time for your favorite game. Are you ready?

You know how I'm always ready for and ready, baby. You know how this works. I don't.

So I'll let you let you take it away. Time for what's more likely hit it. What's more likely?

Never say never, but never. Hey, what's up, guys? What up, Chris?

Here's how this works, Tom. Normally I'm going to ask questions about the matchups this weekend. You know, something like is X going to do more than Y or what's more likely he does this or that? Is X going to give it to you? Someone gets a road win, something like that. But by doing that to me, you're afraid it's going to come across as gambling advice, which is strictly forbidden on the show. Well, when you put it that way.

It's your information, man, an insider. We're going to go big picture off season. Let's do it. That might happen. So what's more likely? Who's more likely to be a starting quarterback in twenty twenty three?

Jimmy G or Ryan Tannehill? Is the segment who's more likely or what's more likely? It's both. It's OK. We'll take it. Semantics, Tom.

It's a it's an interesting question. I believe both really both will be starting quarterbacks in the NFL next season. Now, for their current teams.

Well, that's a different question. With Tannehill, his contract, the guarantees are up after the season. They've got a young guy, Malik Willis, who they drafted in the third round out of Liberty, who obviously is extremely physically talented. But we watched it the last couple of weeks. He's got a long way to go.

He knows it's not there. He's got a long way to go. So the Titans are going to have to make a decision here. Is there an upgrade elsewhere in terms of a veteran? Do they think they can bring Malik Willis along that far in time? Do they even potentially draft another quarterback in what's regarded as a stronger quarterback draft? I do believe that Tannehill at this stage is still starting quarterback in the NFL.

I would say scouts and coaches I've talked to agree with that. But he's been banged up. He's dealt with the ankle. He had the illness a couple of weeks ago. Sounds like we don't have the final injury report yet.

But it sounds like it's leaning toward. He will be back for this week's game against the Broncos. I believe he's a starting quarterback. I believe Jimmy Garoppolo is a starting quarterback somewhere in the NFL, too.

There's a lot of different scenarios. A lot of teams have explored a potential Garoppolo trade. I think one that's the natural fit is the Texans. I don't know that they ultimately at the end of the season are going to view Davis Mills as the long term answer. And then they're obviously going to have a very high draft pick.

They can go get one. But you may not want to play that guy immediately. That'd be a natural place for Garoppolo to go. He may not want to be a placeholder.

He may end up staying in San Francisco, for all we know. I mean, we went through the entire offseason where every effort was made to trade Jimmy Garoppolo. He had the shoulder injury, the surgery. That really stalled things out.

Otherwise, they would have had deals that they could have made. They have to make a calculation here based on how the rest of the season goes. Is it worth sticking with Jimmy Garoppolo, or do you do what they plan to do, which is going to Trey Lance, even though his second season in the NFL went basically like his first season did. When he got an action, he got hurt.

And that's something they have to evaluate going forward. Another quarterback question for you. A quarterback, who's more likely to have a long term contract before the start of next year? Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts?

That is a fantastic question. There is going to be incentive for the Ravens to get Lamar Jackson done, because they've got him and Roquan Smith, and because the price is only going to go up at this point. I mean, barring some kind of catastrophic injury or something the second half of this season. Lamar also doesn't seem to care. If he doesn't get the fully guaranteed contract, he's not going to sign.

So it's a unique negotiation with a guy who does not have an agent, leads on his mom to be his advisor. Jalen Hurts has an agent, Nicole Lynn, who has done plenty of deals in the past. He's also got his fourth year left at a really low number. The Eagles would surely be fine with him playing out the year on that number. Generally speaking, agents don't want quarterbacks in particular to play out their rookie contract, especially because the Eagles then would have tagging options. Jalen Hurts plays at the level that he's playing right now through the rest of the season.

I believe he's the one. He is more likely to have a long-term contract extension in place. However, with Lamar Jackson, if an extension is going to get done, you're hoping and thinking it's going to get done in February, March, and not July, August like a Hurts extension could get done.

What would be the numbers on a Hurts extension? There's this big gap in terms of there's a bunch of guys making $40 million plus, and then you fall all the way down to like the Jamis Winstons, who's making like $12, $13, $14, somewhere in there. Jalen Hurts is somewhere. I don't know that he's getting $50 million a year, but that's, you know, the going rate is $40 plus for all those guys. Why can't he get DAAC money, right? I mean, the DAAC Prescott contract, which was of course a shorter-term deal, DAAC's going to be up for a new contract in the not-too-distant future. Remember, he only signed a four-year deal. Cowboys wanted the long-term extension.

After multiple franchise tags, they basically had him, and if they wanted to get the extension done, they had to give him what he wanted, which was a shorter-term deal. No, I absolutely think that he should be up in that range, and every argument will be made for it. If he's not, there's really no incentive to do the deal other than he was a second-round pick who hasn't made a ton of money to this point. But I would be very surprised.

I would say this. If a Jalen Hurts deal gets done for under $40 million per year, just like I'd be surprised if any top quarterback at this point gets done for under $40 million a year, that's just where the numbers are. We touched on Sean Payton a little bit yesterday, but let's just throw out a scenario here. What's more likely, that Sean Payton is coaching either the Colts or Panthers or somewhere else in 2023? I'll say elsewhere. The Colts make some sense with regard to, they obviously have a vacancy right now.

Yeah, I did the two spots that are currently open. Right. And with the Panthers, the complication is, are the Saints going to trade Sean Payton in the division? And what would that price tag be? It'd probably be all the picks out of the gate. But Sean has a decent level of control over this. There's no way that they're going to trade him without Sean being in communication. These are all going to fit together. They'd have to grant it because last year when the Dolphins called, it was like, yeah, nope.

That was the end of that conversation. This year would be different because he's been out for a year because you're moving forward with the program under Dennis Allen. I do believe if Sean Payton wants to coach elsewhere, the Saints will figure out a way to get it done.

I don't think either of those two situations make sense right now because currently those situations involve Sam Ellinger and P.J. Walker playing quarterback. And Sean Payton's going to want to go to a situation, maybe they can get a quarterback. The Panthers certainly are going to have a really high pick.

The Colts quite likely are going to have a pretty high pick, but he's going to want quarterback certainty wherever he goes. These two teams played each other last week. They're also the last two Super Bowl winners. Who's more likely, the Super Bowl champ most in need of a rebuild, Rams or Bucks? Well, the Rams are going to have a hard time rebuilding because they don't have picks.

Because they've given up a lot. They did not make a big deadline deal here. But they're also tied into a lot of really expensive contracts between Matthew Stafford and Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald. I don't see that as a rebuild. As long as those guys are there, they're going to be trying to compete right now.

This is their window. You re-sign Aaron Donald for what you did. You really are playing this like you had a two-year window, 2022, 2023. Now, they obviously have issues and they're going to have to make some moves. They've shown that they're willing to be aggressive and they're willing to eat cap, eat cash to facilitate things. I don't see them as a rebuild.

I think the Bucks, if Tom Brady is not a member of the team in 2023, which remember, unlike last year, he can pick a spot now because he's a free agent. I believe that that's a team that has to look into reconfiguring things. They've got a lot of veterans. There's a lot of veterans on one-year contracts on that team. You still have guys like Shaq Barrett and Devin White and Chris Godwin who are signed and locked in for the long haul. It's not a total tear down, but it would be a rebuild if you're talking about moving on from the greatest quarterback of all time.

The Bucks are in a better position to do that. Would Kyle Trask be the guy next year, most likely? We haven't seen him. We haven't seen Kyle Trask. Coming out of Florida, the word from coaches and scouts was just he's a big guy with a big arm, but he can't move.

He's just not. Now, he was dealing with, I want to say it was an ankle injury or a foot injury through a lot of his last year at Florida. That definitely impacted his mobility, but he's still just like a big, heavier-footed type of a guy, which, outside of Tom Brady, how many of those guys are playing in the league right now? He'd be the fit for the scheme, but ideally, when teams are looking at these guys right now, you're looking at the Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes prototypes of somebody who can get out, stress you with their legs, make throws off-platform, off-balance. With Tom Brady, he's the best for a reason, because he can sit in the pocket, dissect the defense, get the football where it needs to go, communicate with his players, all the sight adjustments and route adjustments. That's what makes Tom Brady great. Is Kyle Trask able to do that?

I'm not saying he can't. We just have no idea because we haven't seen it in the NFL. A couple more here about things related to this season. They're playing each other this weekend. It looks like it's going to be a Case Keenum revenge game. Who's more likely to make the conference championship game, Vikings or Bills? Bills. Right now, you would have to say it's Buffalo, although I think that the NFC is arguably more wide open. When the Bills are at their best, they have dominated opponents.

I was at the game in Buffalo week three, week two, I think it was, the Monday night game against the Titans. Where that's a solid Titans team, they obviously are shorthanded in a lot of spots, and offensively they got some issues, but they put up points. Nobody can stop Staphon Diggs, and they took it to a really tough team that does not get blown out often, and they blew them out. We haven't seen the Vikings do that, and that's not a knock on what they're doing.

Kevin O'Connell deserves a world of credit for taking a team that lost so many close games over recent years, and saying we're going to be situational masters, we're going to know in these big moments how we're going to operate, we're going to be good in the red zone, we're going to be good when it counts, and they've done it. You still know, and we talked about it with Harrison Smith yesterday, you get to that point midway through every game where you're like, ah man, this doesn't look the best, they're finding ways to pull it out. Until you see, and this is something that when you talk to people in the analytics community they'll always say this, the best teams blow out inferior opponents.

Yes, it matters that you are winning close games, because there's something to that, but the best teams blow out inferior opponents. The Vikings have faced some teams that are struggling, have not blown people out. They're a very good team at this stage, and they've got a ton of weapons and they should get better, because you've got guys like Justin Jefferson and Dalvin Cook and Adam Thielen on that roster, but the Bills, when we've seen them with Josh Allen playing his best, they've been really, really impressive, so I've got to go Bills. But that's one thing about the Bills though, in close games they've struggled. They're really good, like 10 plus points per game, Josh Allen's record is kind of amazing. Well, and they're short-handed in the secondary right now, with Poyer's out now for this week's game, that's a blow, he's dealt with some injuries through the course of this season, so you have to look at those things in terms of how they're going to impact you. They didn't make a huge trade, they did trade for a safety, it was like a down-the-line guy at the deadline, but they didn't make a big move, so yeah, you do have some questions there, but Josh Allen or Kirk Cousins one drive, the Bills offense or the Vikings offense one drive, again, maybe I'll feel differently in January. Again, the Vikings are a really good team. Yeah, T.J. Hawkinson really kind of fit in well last week, they put him into the playbook right away, what did he have, nine catches?

I couldn't believe it. Nine targets, nine catches. So, I talked to Kevin O'Connell, interviewed him for NFL Network before the game, and O'Connell told me, he's like, people are going to be surprised how much Hawkinson plays. And then so after we did the interview, I walked up to him and was like, hey Kevin, so let me get this straight, how many packages is he in? He's like, basically all of them?

He's not going to play in 21 personnel, because we've got Johnny Munt and somebody else who are going to be out there, but like, everything else. I'm like, Red Zone, everything? He's like, yeah.

Started working with the 10 p.m. on Tuesday, crash course, we were like, hey, just let us know what you're comfortable with. Hawkinson was like, yeah, bring it on. And he went out there and just, it was the first drive. Yeah, it was shots. Runs an in-cut, big play, big play in the Red Zone.

I mean, that looks like, that could be a piece. I understand why the Lions traded Hawkinson, because second round pick for a team that's probably not, he's not going to be the difference between them winning the Super Bowl this year and not. And you're not going to sign him, in their opinion, he wasn't going to be one of their core players, so you move on from him, but for the Vikings, a team that needed that shot, it was a bold move by Kwasi Adofo-Mensah. First of all, to engage with the Lions, your division rival, which he did during the draft, too, he traded them the pick that they used to take Jamison Williams. And Vikings fans went nuts. And all my buddies who were Vikings fans were emailing about it, why in the world would you trade within the division? He traded within the division with Green Bay during the draft, too. Well then, because during the season, Lions communication opened. What do you think about trading TJ Hawkinson?

And that thing came together quickly. Alright, last one. A five-win team most likely to make the playoffs. Chargers, Patriots, Bengals. Right now, Chargers are the seventh seed, but they all have five wins. You know, the Chargers are another team that I look at and say they should get better, but they're just so decimated by the injuries. They should get better because Mike Williams should be back, probably not this week, but maybe next week. Keenan Allen, hopefully within the month.

Joey Bosa, maybe a month or so away. They're going to get some reinforcements here. And they're finding ways to win. For whatever the focus on the fourth down calls and those things.

The reality is, how many coaches have done a better job than Brandon Staley overcoming those injuries through the course of this season? I mean, they're playing above some stuff here. But I still think it's the Bengals in this case. Jamar Chase will get back. They're going to go through some bumps right now because they're without their most versatile, toughest weapon on offense.

But Joe Burrow, we know exactly what he is. Luanna Rumo gets that defense playing so hard, even though they don't have a lot of frontline types of guys. They got Trey Henderson. They got Von Bell, who's playing at a really high level. But the way that they play and how disciplined they are and the juice that they bring, I just think you can't bet against the Bengals out of that group.

And I didn't mention the Patriots. We'll see. But there's a lot, a lot they got to get better at. Not a lot that is inspiring as a Pats fan. They're trying to figure some things out right now. Mac Jones is still playing with a really significant injury.

Don't forget that. I mean, he's off the injury report now, but he's coming back from a high ankle sprain. Ask any player, if you have that injury, you feel it. Even when you're past the treatment phase, you're back to playing, you feel that injury for a long time.

Plus, he missed a month of reps in practice for a month. It's a young quarterback. It's a new offense.

It's a lot of moving parts in terms of along the offensive line, in terms of the backfield with Damian Harris being out, the wide receivers on a week-to-week basis. You kind of, you know, Jacoby Myers is going to get his shots. But is it, is it Kendrick Bourne?

Is it Nelson Aguilar? And you don't know. So there, this is what the Patriots do, though. There's a reason that Bill Belichick is one of the great coaches of all time. They get better every year.

Look at Bill Belichick's record in September versus what it is in December. They always find their way. They work through the kinks. But it's hard to work through those kinks when you don't have the quarterback on the field. And that's been one of their challenges through the course of this season.

Let's think worst case here. Maybe they only win a couple more games the rest of the year, right? And Mack kind of struggles. Are they in the market for a quarterback for 2023?

I mean, it would raise a lot of questions. I think, again, it's probably unfair to judge Mack Jones based off of a season where he had a major injury. It was a pretty severe high ankle spray that he was dealing with there. There was something to be said for potentially having surgery on that ankle. He decided he didn't want to do that and came back and played. And he got Bailey Zappi.

Love Bailey Zappi. I mean, he's probably an 8 to 10 year backup in the NFL as opposed to being your starting quarterback. But any team that doesn't have Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers for a long period of time, anything that doesn't have those guys is looking.

And so it would be malpractice to not be in the market. We talked about Jimmy Garoppolo earlier. Could there be a potential reunion? Could you bring him in and pair him with a Mack Jones? I don't know that you need to do that, honestly, because you've got Bailey Zappi there along with Mack Jones, too.

But there's a lot of questions that would be raised off of that. A lot more to come here on this edition of the Rich Eisen Show. We've got Christian Fulton coming up. We've got Cliff Averill. And my old buddy Jim Mahoney's got a new movie, Bar Fight, in select theaters coming up soon. Jim Mahoney's going to join us in studio right after this. Influencer.

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Elizabeth the First, a podcast wherever you listen. Jim Mahoney, how did this how did this movie come together? We had only 15 days to make it for budgetary reasons, for schedule reasons. Fifteen days. Fifteen days to make a feature film. How long is the script? About one hundred and five pages. And we do the math on that.

That's seven pages a day. Somewhere around there. If we were lucky, because what ended up happening was this was shot in some end of summer 2021, when everyone was like, COVID is done. We're fine. They almost lifted restrictions and then we had two COVID cases that shut down the movie. So it went from 15 days to 13 days.

So it was already like an insane schedule. Did you lose one of the actors? We might have. We might have.

We might have. So you had to cast someone new or do you have like understudy situation because it's COVID and you need to be prepared for contingency? You have to cast somebody.

If it were to happen, you have to cast somebody new. Are you not allowed to talk about this? No, no.

I'm just so aware it's live on Roku, Sirius XM, Westwood One radio station. That's great. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, it's like we had to find somebody to come in and basically take over the reins for a major character. And reshoot certain aspects?

Reshoot certain aspects. There was one moment where, because it was a very difficult shoot, it was a lot of fun. Everybody was in such great spirits and they worked so hard. They just loved this project.

So it was a lot of fun. And at one point on like day 11, I remember telling the cast, I was like, we're finally caught up. And they're like, what are you talking about?

I was like, we've been playing catch up this whole time. And they're all like, oh, I also am glad that I watched that clip because I saw you bleeped out one of the swear words. So I'm doing my best to like manage my language. Yeah, please.

Worked at a bar for 11 years, so forgive me. But yeah, so it was a trying shoot. Also, so at the end of the shoot, we had to essentially schedule it to finish the movie in a seven day week. So I was like, we're going to do, we have to finish it by Sunday. Somebody was basically getting surgery on Monday. So the movie has to be done by that day. And we, on Saturday, so the sixth day, we were, sorry, the idea was Saturday was the last like full day. Sunday was going to be like a half day, like a splinter crew, a simple shoot just to shoot one scene. So come Saturday, we were filming the final scene of the movie, which takes place on a rooftop. Takes away the spoilers. The movie literally just came out today and it's your movie.

Fantastic. So it takes place in a specific location that is on top of a building. But they, the, while we were at this certain location setting up and there's like multiple trucks being set up to do this.

By the way, when you film something, you have to scout locations, then you have to get permits and licenses and map everything out. So we're there setting up and it turns out the company that we hired or we paid to lease this location didn't have rights to the location. And so that day I was basically told, it's like, you have to rewrite the ending to come up with a, basically a secondary ending right now, as in this evening. And where was it going to be?

It was going to be, so it was supposed to be on the top of a location. And then we had to, basically I was, I was asked, like, what do you need minimally? Like, what is the least amount of things that you need to complete the ending?

And I was like, I need these three things, open space, whatever, a few, a few components. Again, I'm trying not to give anything away, but the line producer was like, I can get it to you tomorrow. So the last day, which was supposed to be like a half day, it's like, we can film the ending of the movie. So that night I had to rewrite the entire ending, then we had to rescout everything, shoot the entire ending to then deliver the movie to where the producers were like, we should reshoot that ending. And I was like, yeah, we should.

And we actually were able to, so we did do one reshoot in January shortly afterwards. But I was, it was sort of tearing my hair out because I was like, is this what's going to have to happen? But hair still looks great. Thank you. I appreciate it.

It's grown in since then. But it was, yeah, it was nuts. But I had talked to a director, I won't name her name, but she was, she basically walked me through the process of making her first indie film. And she said, she can say this because she's like, I had a kid and going through the process of being pregnant and giving birth was horrible. And then the second she gave birth, she was like, I want to do it all over again. She's like, that's the exact same feeling I had with filmmaking. And I was like, I get that.

Okay. And this was your directorial debut. It was. It was, yes. Which is a lot to, it's a lot to take on.

It was hefty. I want to dig more into this first though. So I imagine there's some people who recognize you, but don't know where from. And so I just want to, I want to pull back the curtain on this a little bit. Can we see what people, especially NFL fans might know Jim from?

We can bring up the green grab. Yeah, that's, this makes sense. Have you ever seen the Downey Eunuch guy? Yep. This commercial has run 6,000 times over like five years. What year was this shot? That was shot in 2017. So five years. I also, I also, they like dyed my eyebrows for this to make me look younger. Like I didn't, I didn't look that young when they shot it. And yeah, so it's.

But that is still running now. Like every commercial break on football games, we still see you. I'm also a weird alien character in the Orville. Like where I have like a giant broccoli face and I don't speak English. So I have this, I have the weirdest career of anybody that I know. So you got the bad fitting t-shirt.

Correct. Broccoli face. Broccoli face with red eyes. And then you wrote a children's movie that was nominated for an Oscar. That, yeah, that happened. Klaus or Klaus?

Klaus. See, that's just confusing. I understand it, yeah. It's a Christmas movie.

I remember what we called Gatlop. That's confusing. Klaus, I mean, so we, we go back. Right.

A long way. Let's actually, let's bring up a photo. So we are both seeing if either of us have a photo of us together.

We've known each other since about the third grade. Yeah, about that. My wife dug up one photo from, I think it was a Sadie Hawkins dance. Once upon a time, I don't know if we have the photos that we can show. You, you also came up with one, I believe from the senior party.

Right. That we had in high school in Minnesota growing up there. Which I, in all of our dealings, and this is not to cast any aspersions upon you, but I would not have seen you writing a children's movie.

I, I, I 100 percent. There we are, Sadie Hawkins, Jim in the low left there. With the Hugh Grant haircut going on a little bit. From everyone, all the girls thought you looked like Hugh Grant in high school.

It was very frustrating. I'm like halfway up there on the left with really bad acne going on there. So just look for the red face guy. That's me.

Just creeping too, just creeping. That's a long time ago. That's like 1998 right there. Are you third from left there in the third row?

I am fourth from left in the fourth row. We count that. Okay, I see.

Yeah, that's, that's a look. That's very Minnesota high school dance there. And just so everybody knows, this is not just the most Minnesota thing ever. A bunch of people wearing plaid.

The idea behind the Sadie Hawkins dance, you wear a plaid shirt. How did you end up writing a children's movie? Oh man, it was, so I, man, I moved out to Los Angeles to work as a comedian, as an actor, and then realized how difficult it was to just be told you could be allowed to work. So I started writing, um, uh, like internet stuff, like short films and web series and stuff. And I, with my good friend, Zach Lewis, and we then started, you know, having some success in that.

So we started making more internet things and want to get larger. So we taught ourselves to write features and then wrote like several bad ones until eventually we got signed by a manager. Cause they were like, you guys have us and some comedy.

And we were running like bro comedies, like all rated dude comedies. And then through these meetings that you have, like you just basically take meetings over and over and over again until you eventually like click with somebody that then is like, I think you might actually be available to do something that you might connect with this creative. And that creative ended up being Sergio Pablo's. And that is the writer, other writer and director of Klaus. He had, um, uh, written and created the concept that became Despicable Me, like sold it to illumination and then watched somebody else direct his movie.

And he decided I want to make something of myself. So for 10 years he was developing the origin story of Santa, but there, everybody, the town as this goes with the industry and film and television is that nobody really allows you to do a thing unless you've done the thing. And so it's very difficult and no one was buying this movie from him because there's no script. We don't believe that this is a real story yet. And he wasn't a writer at the time.

So he was looking for writers and they want to charge so much money. And Zach Lewis and I were new. We met him through one of those meetings and, uh, we actually Skyped with him cause he's based in Madrid.

So this is pre zoom. And he was like, I think you guys seem great. You guys have a good sense of story.

Uh, why don't you send me one of your sample scripts? And we're like, sure. And then we hang the phone. We're like, I'm not getting this movie. Like the movie, what did you send him? It was like a bro dude comedy.

Um, I can't even remember the exact, it was just R rated so far off base, probably has no, should not see the light of day. And he read it and he was like, you guys are great. Like this is, and we're like, are you sure about this? And he, he had a good point. He was like, you guys have a sense of heart in your writing, but also the thing he runs into with a lot of writers when they were working in animation was that they write characters as if they're cartoon characters. He's like, I don't want that.

So I feel like you guys will find a nice middle ground. We wrote, we worked with him for like over a year. He worked on the script after, and then he made it into this brilliant thing. But so much of the credit is given to him because it's also visually, the visual language of that movie is just wonderful. It's just nostalgia.

And so, yeah, I gotta, I gotta give him way more credit. But that's how that came about. And then it was like, now we work in animation because that's the thing you did. And then same thing where I was like, I want to get back to making kind of weird genre smashing movies. Like we grew up watching, you know, one of my favorite movies was like, Death Becomes Her or Man, like Goonies, all the Amblin movies where it's sort of like a sort of scary kids movie and stuff. And so I wanted to get back to that.

And that's how this, you know, gallop and then became Bar Fight. We were talking about this in here before you came in off air, about the fact that like somebody was, I think Brockman was reading the list of like the best picture winners in recent years. And I'm like, nope, didn't see it.

Nope, didn't see it. And TJ goes like, well, what are the movies you've seen most? I'm like, Swingers, Dirty Work, American Pie. Dirty Work.

Dirty Work is one of the best bad movies. Normal. Normal. So that was his last film role was in, was in Klaus, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I think, well, he was crazy enough. He was actually a voice in the Orville.

Another is a voice in the Orville. Was he also a broccoli face character? He was a broccoli blob. Like he was like an animated blob. Like we have so much in common.

So really what's coming next from you is these long dust off the bro comedies then. I don't know if any of them look like what we looked like in high school, but I imagine, look at this. You sent me this photo last night. I have never seen it before. I am shocked that I was able to find this. I just like my, I was with my girlfriend.

I got that. You sent me a picture of us from high school. I was like, I got to find pictures and opened up a shoebox.

And this was like on top like this was like in the top of a stack of great photos. Whatever face you're doing. I'm dead sober there, by the way. This was during like one of those overnight lock ins where like nobody drink. We can have fun without alcohol. So I think I don't know if I'm tired there or I figured I figured out it was from the senior party because our friend Tim McCarthy right there, along with Pat Stoneking, Tim's holding something that says participation bucks on it. I had to I had to zoom in and I was like, you want to go in the bounce house? I want a funnel cake.

Those ridiculous things. So Vikings bills on Sunday, you got to be excited about the Vikings. I am excited about the Vikings. I'm a lifelong fan.

So my life is just torture has been forever. But I, I hope this is another one of those years where they don't like just set themselves up for what should be success. And then, you know, disappoint me at the end of the season. But also my my girlfriend's mother, her family is from Buffalo. So she is like a psychotic Buffalo Bills fan.

So this is really going to have a trickle down effect in your household for a while here. That's going to be Case Keenum in all likelihood. Do we have that official? Have we seen it? We've been so engaged. We haven't seen anything over there, Brockman.

Just watch Twitter. I got a question for you guys. I love stuff like this. You guys have known each other for so long. When when you look back on like your high school years, what was like your hopes and your goals? Do you guys remember, like, you know, what you wanted to be doing when you were, you know, 15, 16, 17?

That's good. I was actually talking to Tom about this. I have a vivid memory of we had a public speaking class together and you had no memory of this when we were talking. No, I remember the class.

I remember where it was, but I don't remember. And they give you like there's like five speeches you do it throughout the year. And one of them is like an informative speech or something. I don't remember the subject or like what the speech was supposed to be about. But Tom, at like 16, basically broke down why the zero to hero game happened. It was at eighty one ninety one or eighty seven ninety one World Series Minnesota Twins.

Yeah. And he basically broke down the lineup of both teams and how the coaches, how the Minnesota coaches did this genius lineup to counter whoever the hell they were playing at the time. And it went on. I was like he was like a weird savant. Like he was like my buddy that we played basketball with together and we were like sip alcohol privately in random houses, of course, people's houses. And then I watched him like just unload all this knowledge of sports. I was like, I have no idea what this dude is saying, but it's unbelievable. It was like a it was like a goodwill hunting moment.

It was crazy. And so I was like, this guy needs to work in sports, I guess. But then I don't think I had like I definitely didn't have a aspiration to work in film. I was obsessed with films. I spoke in films and television, but it was mostly unlike the performance. But that didn't exist.

That was not a real thing. It wasn't until college that I kind of fell backwards into that. But I think the plan was to be an attorney because my dad is an attorney. So the idea was to go out and do that. But I went to college as a finance major, lasted one class and then pivoted back to exactly what you're talking about. Literally doing what I was doing in the 10th grade. You swung all the way back around. We both had the same mindset, which was just we're going to we're going to just sit there all the time.

Yeah, we're just going to do what everybody else is doing. Yeah, this is way more fun. I worked nearly as lucrative, way more fun. Yeah, there was there were many, many years of of wondering, was this a terrible, terrible mistake? But I remember like working for a law firm, my dad's law firm, and like as a paralegal or a clerk or whatever the hell it is. And I was just like, this is awful.

And then also taking classes. I was like, this is awful. Can't do it. So, yeah, the movie is Barfight is IFC Films. Barfight is in select theaters around the country. You can also watch for free on AMC Plus. You can download it on iTunes, wherever you might download movies. Also got the movie Gatlop as well.

But check out Barfight is out today. Melissa Fumero, Rachel Bloom, Luca Jones, a whole lot more. Jim Mahoney, my old friend. Thanks very much for being here.

Thank you for having me. We shall be back. There were a bunch of injury updates during the seven. We've we've got some answers on T.J. Watt, among others. Did you find an answer on Josh Allen over there, Brockman?

No. We're hour to hour, day by day. Day by day. Hour by hour. We're not at the end of the hour. We'll be back. Rich Eisen's show. We got some injury updates as well.

Run through them quickly here. T.J. Watt says he will play on Sunday against the Saints. Does not think he'll be on a snap count. That's a pretty big boost.

By the way, how about that? Right on time in his return from a pictorial injury. Shaquille Leonard out again against the Raiders. So one less weapon for Jeff Saturday. Head coach Jeff Saturday.

Every day is Saturday. Colts head coach Jeff Saturday. Interim head coach Jeff Saturday. He might be terrible at this. He might be horrible. He'll say thank you for the opportunity.

But you just don't know. Dion Jackson's also out, but Jonathan Taylor being back should help that. And Josh Allen, not spotted at the start of practice. Guess what was spotted running off the field after practice in his practice jersey.

First time this week we've seen him wearing it, according to Elena Getzenberg. OK, so what does it mean he's playing? I mean, hey, two hours ago, Sean McDermott said our Howard hour, one hour ago. No Josh Allen to practice this hour.

Josh Allen to practice hour by hour. All right, let's get to the fantasy gospel. T.J. Jefferson, your time to shine.

What do you got for me? Rise up. The fantasy church is open. Oh, brothers and sisters, it's good to see you all today here at the fantasy gospel with brother Jefferson. Can I get an amen? Amen. And brothers and sisters, let's give a warm welcome to our brother from another church. Pastor Pellicero, it's good to have you here today. My brother. So much.

Yes. And now let's talk a little bit about week 10. And we'll make you go on your route and on your way to fantasy glory. And now, my brothers and sisters, I'm going to tell you who's not him. And basically, Tom, who's not him is that's who I'm going to tell you to sit this week. These are people who, you know, I get the him thing.

This isn't him. All right. We're going to start off with H.Y.M.N. H.Y.M.N.

Yes. And the fantasy and the worst stuff with Deacon Derek Carr. Yes, the quarterback. You know, even though the Colts have been in complete disarray this year, it's devastated. The past defense has held up and they and opposing QBs average of sixteen point six fantasy points against the Colts. And, you know, Deacon Carr, he has no Darren Waller.

He has no Hunter Renfro. I don't know what's going on. But if they win this game, it's going to be because of Deacon Josh Jacobs carrying the rock and taking them to glory. So I'm the say sit brother car in the pew next to you. Also, brother Gabriel Davis.

Amen. Key's case, Keenum. Good quarterback. I don't know what their cohesiveness is.

Is it bad? I have two guys there. Well, I mean, it could be, you know, Steph Diggs should thrive because he and Case know each other. I don't know about brother Gabriel Davis. He struggled lately, only has 10 ppr points against the Packers and the Jets combined.

So I don't know, man. I'm not feeling good about him. And Melvin Gordon, there's just too many backs there. I go with Latavious Murray maybe, but I'm gonna have to sit brother Melvin Gordon. And now brothers and sisters, I'm going to tell you who will take you to fantasy glory. Deacon Dalton Schultz of the Cowboys.

Yes, I said it. Deacon Dalton Schultz. So Dak is back.

Wow. Those shows hasn't been playing great. You know, he had an injury, but, you know, six catches for 74 yards against the Bears a few weeks ago. Packers have allowed three touchdowns to tight ends over the past two games. Schultz and Dak, they have a thing going, man. And I think this is going to be the week that Deacon Schultz just balls out. Then we got George Pickens.

I mean, I don't know. I think there's going to be a shootout in New Orleans. I mean, this is just all guessing, but I think it's time for George Pickens to shine.

And I'm predicting it's going to be this week. And now we have running back brother Jamal Williams. Look, I call him the Noah's Ark of fantasy football because every time brother Jamal scores, it's by two. Two touchdowns every time he gets in the end zone.

I think he's going to have two more against the Bears this week. So I would say put brother Williams in your lineup. And now I'd like to do something I call head or gut, Tom, and that is sometimes you just look at the stats and you use your head like, OK, this is what this is. Other times you've got to dig deep down in your belly. Right. And you just got to go by your gut and go with what your gut tells you. Let that Holy Ghost feel, move you and motivate you. So I'm going to tell you right now, when it comes to brother Justin Herbert, who's playing against the 49ers, brother Jefferson says, sit Justin Herbert.

Whoa. This week, it's hard to trust him. Keenan Allen, Mike Williams are hurting 49ers average. They're allowed just an average of 15 fantasy points per game to opposing QBs. I don't like this matchup for Justin.

I don't like his receivers. I'm going to say, sit brother Herbert. And also now what I want you to remember is not all who wander are lost. There are some strays out there, brother.

Pass the Pelosara. We've got to bring those strays home. We've got to bring them home and they will eventually help lead us to glory. So what I'm telling you is I need you to show these players the way and pick them up on your teams. That is brother Odell Beckham. I don't know where brother Odell is going to go, but wherever he lands. I say you have him on your team and he will help lead you down the land of milk and honey.

Yes. Brother Traelyn Burks. They drafted him because he was an AJ Brown clone.

But they've gotten no production out of that wide receiver position. This might be the time it's coming. Put your hands in the air for brother Burks, because I feel like he might be the man. It might be his time. And brother with Chad White. The Bucks got to run that rock.

Tom, they got to run that ball. And I think it's time for brother White to stand up and lead you down that path of glory. And brothers and sisters, that is the fantasy.

Him though. Can I get an Amen? Amen.

Thank you. Let us play. Let us play. I've had to stop myself from picking up Odell Beckham Jr. about four weeks in a row. In like a dynasty league where I've got limited cap space.

At some point it's going to be a thing. But is he going to be impactful before the fantasy season is over? That would be my question. I had room on my team. I picked him up just to keep him from somebody else having him. Yeah, if your playoffs are week 15, 16. Which by the way, if you're a fantasy. And he's not playing for at least two more weeks. Is he going to be ready and up to speed and performing for three, four weeks there? Also, if you're playing in fantasy, your playoffs cannot start week 14. There's like six bye weeks. So you have to go 15 to start. What kind of league are you in?

Well, if you don't have. No, I wouldn't think that right. It would be weeks 16, 17 and maybe even 18. Like I don't I don't foresee what this extra week teams tank in the way that they usually would do. Like, you know, some of the guys would sit out that last week.

I think I think you can go the whole way this year. One other injury update that just popped up might impact some of your fantasy advice. Kyler Murray, according to Cliff Kingsbury, game time decision. We'd have to go back and look at the history of game time decisions with Cliff because I think James Connor was a game time decision for several weeks in a row there. Kyler's dealing with a hamstring, is running as a big part of his game, and he's actually willing to put him out there.

We'll talk a lot more about that as this show rolls on. Lord, could you lay your hands on the hamstring of brother Murray and allow him to perform at his highest level on Sunday? Can I get an amen? Yes, Lord. If not, it's the Colt McCoy show.

Could be Colt McCoy, John Wolford coming up on Sunday. Everybody tells you how to save, but nobody teaches you how to spend it. Do something you should know wherever you listen.