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October 10, 2022 3:14 pm

‘Green Light’ podcast host and 2-time Super Bowl champion Chris Long tells Rich why Matt Rhule failed to live up to expectations with the Carolina Panthers, why Brandon Staley’s controversial call against the Cleveland Browns could have cost him the Chargers locker room, says why he still has faith in Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, heaps praise on Brian Daboll who has the surprising New York Giants 4-1, says why he has serious concerns about Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams, and laments the “awful” Roughing the Passer call on the Falcons’ Grady Jarrett when he sacked Tom Brady late in Atlanta’s loss to the Buccaneers.

Rich and the guys react to the strange moment in the NL Wild Card games where umpires were asked by Mets manager Buck Showalter to check the ears of Padres pitcher Joe Musgrove, and weigh in on Draymond Green’s apology to Jordan Poole for assaulting his Warriors teammate during a pre-season practice.

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I'm cultivating lots of capers, to use the Maury the Wigman phrase here. I love it. 25th anniversary of Boogie Nights. If you're just joining us, I don't know, somehow left a roller girl out of our conversation.

How do we do that? I don't know that. We're just not thinking straight. Not thinking straight. It's Monday. And Eddie Adams is from Torrance.

It's right down the street there. I understand that. I guess to borrow a phrase, we're idiots. I feel like we're beating ourselves up for getting around Roller Girl.

Nobody wants a five or a ten though, so we're good there. Okay, 844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here on the program. Lots to talk about in week number five that wraps up tonight between the Raiders and the Chiefs. We've got Max Crosby joining us in hour number three of this program. So don't miss that. Getting ready for the week five finale to talk about everything else that went down in this very busy weekend in the National Football League is our friend, two-time Super Bowl champion and his usual Monday spot on the Mercedes-Benz phone line.

Joining us, the Greenlight Podcast host, none other than Chris Long. How you doing, Chris? I'm good, buddy. How are you? I'm doing well. So I guess we're both better than Matt Ruhl right now, although four years of dead money being paid to you.

Yeah, I would like that. That's a silver lining for my guy. So what do you think went wrong in Carolina?

Your best guess? Well, I mean, they just didn't. I mean, they've been playing quarterback carousel and none of them hit. And like, you know, this was a Hail Mary from Matt Ruhl and it just didn't work out.

It hasn't worked out. And for a guy who can probably hang his hat on the offensive side of the ball, they just haven't made it. They're a defensive football team, you know? And that's why I think the interesting conversation is going to be what kind of head coach do you bring in? You know, what is, what's on David Tepper's mind? I mean, I know people make a lot of the Sean Payton waiting for the Dallas job, but like, you know, and Jerry might still have ideas, but McCarthy's coaching those guys up pretty good. And, you know, is Carolina an attractive job for people? Is David Tepper the kind of owner that you're excited about working for?

I would think so. I mean, what happens in the NFC South when Brady retires, you know? So I don't know, you're going to have a high pick. There's a lot of quarterbacks next year. I love D'Amigo Ryans. I love what San Francisco's defense is about.

I think culture building is awesome. I think guys like Ben Johnson in Detroit, although if you're Ben Johnson and you're like, oh, Tepper might get fired today. Let me have a good day out here in Foxboro. And you get blank. I'm sure you're like, damn, that's a bad impression to leave. There's a lot of guys that that could nab this job.

And I don't know which direction they go. I think the interesting question is you're going to have a young quarterback. Do you want a defensive head coach? Because if you have a really good young quarterback, you can make one of these young OCs a king by just playing well. And then that guy's going to get a head coach job in the next couple of years. So that's my biggest concern when you hire a defensive head coach with a young quarterback, because it almost guarantees that if things go well, you're going to have to retool from a schematic standpoint offensively within the first couple of years. Otherwise, I don't care.

Just build a culture win. What do you think is going through Baker Mayfield's mind right now? Oh, man, it sucks, man. I feel for the guy on one hand. On one hand, sometimes he hasn't helped himself. Definitely not in the field, but some of the things he's said at times. He's had a lot thrown at him in the first couple of years, but that's the NFL, man. There's a ton of draft picks that get dropped in opportune situations.

And oftentimes, the higher you get picked, the more chaotic it is. And then to end up in Carolina in kind of an even worse situation than where you came from and expect to go well, it feels like the end of the road. And the problem is with Baker, he's so variable that if he's not going to be a starter in the NFL anymore, do you feel like he's your Brian Hoyer? He's got that starter mentality, and it's going to be hard to make that transition if this is the end of the road for him. Well, you mentioned Sean Payton's name, and clearly David Tepper now is going to be all over him.

I mean, I'd imagine the wooing process begins, and when that happens, trigger fingers get itchier in other places too. And I've heard Payton's name associated with Denver as well, and not because they're ready to just out Nathaniel Hackett, but the way the first five weeks have gone and play calling and Russell being in an offense that's a timing offense and things of that nature. And I think you were the one who pointed out he's so off schedule. So what do you think of that scenario? We haven't spoken since that stinkerama that kicked off week five. Well, it's potentially... And by the way, Rich, I was really entertained by the game, not by the football, but by the fact that we all watched it. Isn't it amazing that Roger Goodell found the floor?

He was like, we'll see. How bad can a game be and everybody still watch? What's the retention rate on this game? Because I know some Denver fans left, but if you watch 60 of that game, you're going to watch 70. We really found out how much we love football. I really believe, Rich, if we want to solve something as a country, we should convince people it's under the guise of football being exponentially threatened. And we can do anything as a nation together, because people love that game, dude.

We watch that game for 70 minutes. So yeah, I guess to say the Broncos look awful. I don't know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel for them. I didn't pick the Broncos to go to the playoffs.

I didn't know it would be this bad. I also think you could see the decline a little bit with Russ. I'm not saying he can't pull himself out of this thing, but that Russ magic hasn't been there. The magic oftentimes, when he'd go to the well to get that big off-schedule play in Seattle for so many years, that's dried up the last couple years. And they haven't run his stuff in Denver.

And I think of Sean Payton. He said something really interesting about Russell Wilson. I heard him say last week. He said, I don't know why Nathaniel Hackett doesn't sit down with him for an extended period of time and ask him, what do you like?

What can we run that's going to suit your skill set? What concepts did you like in Seattle? And I don't want to assume he hasn't done that, but it's interesting that that was Sean's thought process. And we're here talking about Nathaniel Hackett already, but Sean Payton with anybody is exciting. Like I had Sean Payton on my pod.

He was driving across Louisiana and he went for an hour, 50 minutes. And we talked football the whole time. That guy's football mind is like incredible. I mean, situational football, offensive football, the stories that he's able to draw from, the anecdotes. If I have a favorite quarterback, there's barely anybody I'd rather have paired with that quarterback than Sean Payton.

I mean, whoever nabs him is going to be pretty lucky and maybe it is somebody you don't expect. Sean Payton is a fascinating subject matter for sure. Chris Long here on the Rich Eisen Show. And while we're, I guess we're on the subject of Sean Payton and how he just seems to have more often than not the right button to push throughout his entire career, when to push it, when not. And that has been an issue obviously with Nathaniel Hackett and Denver to the point where they get a coach upstairs to help him with that process.

And then you see what's going on with all the analytics. We discussed last week about John Harbaugh's decision to go for it on fourth and goal and it didn't work out. And then you saw what Brandon Staley did yesterday where he goes for it right at midfield with a minute to go instead of punting up three and it almost cost him. Keenan Allen even tweeted out when he was not playing, you know, WTF are we doing? And so how do you think that sits in a locker room? Well, I think that was, I think he meant to type WFT. He forgot that they're now the commanders. Maybe he was watching Carson with the ball in his hands three times.

So I want to get him out here. But no, like honestly, dude, I was really concerned about that. You know, not just the call. I hate the call and I hate the calling context. And I got none against Brandon Staley.

My brother played for him and said he's awesome. Like I think he seemed like a good guy and a good coach, but I know guys have like their mantra and their stuff and like their identity. But when you get so concerned with who you are and not what you need to do in the moment, you get lost, right? Like this is the moment that's been presented. I know the analytics, which are split by the way, next gen stats says, you know, punt, um, there'd be a fourth down decision, but is, is on drugs.

They say, they say, you know, go for it. Uh, analytics are great, but pair with the context, who are you putting the ball to? Where, how many timeouts they have left?

You put the ball to Jacoby percent who, you know, is a good player, but if your defense can't hold him down 70 yards, whatever it would be, no timeouts, you know, or rushers, you know, you know, Russia like Khalil Mack, the defense, like you have, if you can't do that, you don't deserve to win the game anyways. And when you get so caught up in trying to be who you are, who you think you are, and you don't try to win the football game for your guys, you get tweets like that. And like, it's a bad sign. I don't want, I kind of went as far as saying Canary and the coal mine a little bit with, with Keenan's tweet, but like, he's a dude, he's their dude. And I'm sure he'll tell you we're good. Like everything's fine.

I just was blah, blah, blah. But I just feel like that's not a good sign. And that guy last year cost them a chance to go to the playoffs, like playoff checks, a playoff appearance, because he was obsessed with doing it. His like the way he thinks they're supposed to be and not doing the thing in the moment that's going to advance the ball for his team. And I just get a little irritated by that because if I'm a player, I'm kind of pissed about that.

The fact that he felt compelled to hit send, right? I mean, that's his coach. We were all second guessing.

The whole country was second guessing. I mean, and, and, and Cleveland had, uh, the game winner on the foot of a kid who actually, you know, creased the uprights earlier this year with no time left in one of the wins for Cleveland. They're lucky. I mean, they are really lucky. Um, yes, they are. They're really lucky in Cleveland.

You know, we thought, man, it'd be pretty scary if they were for a few reasons. If they were in it when Deshaun Watson gets back, right? Like, cause they're pretty good.

And the first couple of games of the season, the first six, I believe were among the easiest in, in the league. Um, they've dropped close games. Uh, the spectacular loss to your jets, by the way, are cooking shout out to Joe Douglas, um, Atlanta lost a close ball game there, um, had a chance to win that ball game. And then the way they lost, you know, they lost that ball game yesterday. Um, so you come out of that, that, that five game stretch two and three, and now you've got new England.

Who's rounding into form a little bit, whatever that form looks like, they're rounding into it. Baltimore, Cincy, Miami, Buffalo, Tampa, you know, so it's a bad missed opportunity by the Browns and, uh, and the Chargers are lucky. Chris long here on the rich eyes and show. Okay. We've reached the sports talk radio portion of our conversation. You can only put your marker on one, three and two team, the, the bays Tampa green, which one do you take Tampa Bay? Green Bay?

Which one? Green Bay. And that's dumb. I feel dumb saying it, but I just don't like the bucks have to win. There's way more upside in green bed.

Like that office can turn into the right thing. I still think they can make a trade. Um, I think dogs can come along even more. I think they can do things differently offensively. I think Aaron can Aaron, as bad as it's been around him at times, like some of the things that he's had to deal with early in this and, you know, in the year, like you get Watson dropping that ball against the Vikings, you get Dobbs with a fumble in a key spot early in the game.

We get the pads, you get all types of young mistakes. Um, I, I think that the Packers with Aaron Rogers and a few of the weapons they have had more of an upside and that defense didn't have a great day yesterday, but I said this on our show, like the giants man a year ago, and this shows you how far the giants have come. We, we would have made this game. Do you know how good, how big of a story the giants have to be to not make that game all about the Packers yesterday? Like we're talking about the giants, you know, like we're not shocked.

We're kind of not shocked that they were catching almost 10 points in London, but we're kind of not shocked because they played good football. So they able, man, I liken the giants to like, they're like a mini Titans team, man. Like the Titans athletic quarterback, who's probably not going to win you games outright. Um, you've got a scrappy group.

You're good upfront. You got a generational back and a new England tree coach who doesn't act like bill. And so like, there's a lot of similarities in those two programs and the Titans have done a lot of great things over the last couple of years.

I think it's, it's going to be interesting to see Daniel Jones, who went from 1.8 turnovers a game down to like, I think one is second year down to 0.9 to 0.6 a game now this year, like, can he just be that Ryan Tannehill for them? And, uh, somebody asked me to say, are they for real? And I said, define real. Cause you know, that's the worst question in the world.

Like define the parameters of what we're talking about. Can they win a playoff game? Yeah. They just beat the Packers.

Like they're, they're solid. So Packers have a higher seal in the box that defense is going to keep the box in it. Um, there'll be a playoff team, but I think the Packers have a little bit higher ceiling.

Yeah. I said, uh, earlier in this program, Chris long, that, uh, that that's a game the giants lose by 20 last year, not win by five. I mean, they would have just folded the tent down 10 and that would have been the end of that, or they wouldn't have had the ability to get Saquon finding that different, that different level. Then you got the Cowboys at, at four and one.

Um, let's talk a little bit about that game. Uh, before I ask you one more sports talk radio question, uh, the Cowboys, um, look terrific. Their quarterback doesn't make any mistakes. And Micah Parsons, he was playing on like half a wheel and still getting into that backfield yesterday.

I just, right. We're so lucky to see Aaron Donald, Micah Parsons playing football in the same field. Like those two guys are so awesome. Like AD lined up at end and two sacks on a pretty good rookie. And you know, just watching the way he competes and then Micah, he's out there on a bum wheel all over the field.

Micah Parsons would pick 12, like how many, how many games does he want that team? Like, you know, I'm not saying with one play or like you can point directly to him, but he changes the way everybody operates offensively. Like he is truly that guy that you're like, where's this guy?

We've got to have a GPS tracker on him. Like he could be anywhere on the field. They move them around and, um, and his play has directly contributed to them being able to weather this storm without Dak. Um, they, they got points on special teams, right?

They're, they're, they're just doing all the little things and for LA, um, man, I just don't know, man. I said this last year, last year I gave up on the Rams. It was a prime time game and staff was just getting beat to a pulp.

The 49ers versus the 49ers or the Titans. They went through like a three game stretch where they were getting, um, out physical and that's happened to them against the Bills that happened against the Niners and that happened yesterday. And, and, you know, that is my sports talk radio question because I am genuinely concerned about the lineup front. Sean McVay said as much publicly and he's always Mr. Sunshiny, we'll work on this. I got to coach better.

That's the sort of thing he says. And, um, so you got three, two and three teams. And I know this might be a disrespectful question to ask when it involves one of the best receivers in the game and, and, uh, coaches and a defending champ. If you were to choose a two and three team to bet on, or to place your, your marker on in the West, would it still be the Rams or would you take Geno cooking or would you take the Cardinals who are about to get Hopkins back?

Well, I'll just say this, this isn't a cop out. I don't think any of those teams are contenders like that. Like the Rams have an opportunity to morph into a contender, but I don't see the bones of like a contending team. And if you think about when Sean McVay, um, you know, and people, the first two weeks were taking a victory lap. So I picked the Niners to go far and win the West, but like now you see cream rises to the top.

They got a great roster. Matt Stafford is effectively a Detroit line again, dude. Not, you know, I'm not talking about one of these like really bad lines teams. I mean, like where you got no run game, you got one great target, obviously cups, not Megatron, but you know, like you're having trouble running the football and you're taking a beating and he's older.

He's just not like physically what he was. I think the biggest thing is when Sean McVay and that group was rolling, they had Todd Gurley and Todd Gurley got a lot of credit, did not get enough credit. You know, he made them go, the play action game made them go. They had offensive linemen who could fit up in the run game.

They could get your move inside the side. They had good guards, they had good tackles and they worked in concert and you could get the big chunk plays off play action. Everything came off of with Jared Goff, that stuff and Matt Stafford, as good as he is, you need a run game. And you know, like, I was watching my dad a little bit yesterday on NFL Fox and you know, do with a flat top, yelling at the TV to sign a pullback, like sounds kind of old school, but it's true.

You know, Pops is right. Like they need to run the football. And as hard as that is for, you know, one of these boy wonder coaches has grown up and become a champion to probably hear, it's like, you ain't going anywhere if you don't have a run game.

And you know, if they want to lean into an identity, it would be running the rock and playing defense. The Von Miller loss was huge, but you got what you got now. And I'm not buying any of those teams.

I'm really not the only team in the NFC West I'm buying is the Niners. Chris long here on the Rich Eisen show. Okay. Before I let you go, uh, one last question. What'd you think of the Grady Jared rough in the passer call? I think these should be reviewed from now on. This is, this is, I mean, it costs, it costs the Falcons an opportunity to win the game and it's absurd. I mean, Jerome Boga said afterwards that he saw somebody take a quarterback unnecessarily to the ground. I mean, come on. I mean, this is absurd.

What do we, what do we do? Like, you know, how many plays in, in NFL history were a quarterback of baiting that exact kind of tackle? You know, like we don't have the, you know, David Tyree, like, well, you know, that's what can happen. You can't just say, uh, I got to take him to the ground easier, give him a chance to get rid of that football. Like all times, you know, things happen if you can't get the guy to the ground.

And I remember early in my career getting flagged and fine for high hits. Like that's fine. Okay. Like I get that we're protecting people's heads. Um, then you couldn't go low. Okay. I guess I get that. Cause like the product on the field sucks if Tom Brady's gimping around and he got hurt.

He, he tore his ACL one year. Like you see what happens. Nobody, you know, Matt Cassel is great, but you'd rather see Brady. Like the product is better.

Okay. Now we have a strike zone, which is hard to hit. It's really hard to stack quarterbacks in the NFL, even on athletic ones, you hit the strike zone, you drive in the ground form tackle. That's a penalty.

So now I can't roll him. I call it the sideways prom pose. Like it's literally Grady Jarrett is, is like spooning him and bringing him to the ground gently.

That's the most gem. That's the gentlest Grady Jarrett can be like, and he still gets flagged. And so as a rusher, I, you know, like I hate when people say like, it's like, you know, people say like, it's like football is turning into a pillow fight. It's trust me. It's not. It's still very violent. It's probably the collisions are the most violent they've ever been. We just litigate it differently. This is turning into a pellet fight, but it really is.

And I know it's reactive to the, to a deal. It's the same type of thing, but 45 year old man didn't get hurt yesterday. Uh, you know, Grady Grady has gotta be really upset. Um, and Brady, here's that insult to injury. Brady tried to kick him off him. Like everybody saw that. Let's not pretend we didn't see that. It's my guy, one of my old teammates.

I think he's a great dude. He's a competitor. Grady rolls them and, and Brady's pissed and tries to kick him off them.

You know, like call it what it is. And that's the penalty. But Grady Jarrett gets a penalty. And so I, I just don't, you know, I don't know where we're going to go, but maybe it's one of these things that Boger's going to get the, you know, get read, read the, you know, the riot act behind the scenes. And we don't have this anymore.

And quietly, they may have cult and we don't have these calls the rest of the year. Chris Long, you are the man as always for giving your opinions, who's on the green light pod. What do you want to tell everyone about how, um, uh, what you're, what you're doing this week?

That's a great question. Matt, who do we have on tomorrow? Do you know? Oh, David Bobora. Remember Mr.

Irrelevant from, um, from, you know, same, same year as me in St. Louis. And, um, just one of the most interesting dudes ever has a great, great, uh, veteran Jim down in, uh, in Texas and has done a lot of great work. We've climbed Kilimanjaro together. He's done ayahuasca so we can, we can talk some Rogers. We did talk ayahuasca.

It's a, it's a fun interview, so that'll be out tomorrow and, or Wednesday. And, uh, yes, our normal stuff the rest of the week. Okay. So you can manifest together tomorrow. You can manifest positivity on the green light.

We love manifesting positivity. That'd be great. We'll break that down. That's a run game in LA, man.

Okay. Well, I mean, they, they need to manifest Whitworth to be honest. Whitworth. Hey, if I'm Whitworth, man, I'm happy where I am. As hard as it was to be up till 1230 in the morning talking about Indy Denver on the field the other night, like I'm good.

I'm not going back there and helping Matt Safford up all year. Chris Long, you're the man. Always appreciate it. We'll chat next week. You're the best at Joel nine, number nine, one on Twitter green light podcasts. Check it out. We're all podcasts are required. Manifesting positivity might be a good, did you write it down, Chris?

I did manifesting positivity is a good, that is a good one. Let's take a break. Uh, because, um, I don't know how much, uh, can be manifested in Carolina right now. News out of Carolina on top of the fact that Matt rule has been fired.

First one of 2022, first head coach. And we, when we return ear checks, everybody ear checks, get it ready. Cause yours looked very shiny. We're going to stop the show and check everybody's ears. This message is sponsored by discover. Did you know you could reduce the number of unwanted calls and emails with online privacy protection, the latest innovation from discover discover will help regularly remove your personal info, like your name and address from 10 popular people, search websites that could sell your data and they'll do it for free.

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Join and get 30 days free at the home of storytelling audible.com. We did get boo blade. We got boo blade and fantasy, huh? That's not great. Yeah. You're losing to a Canadian crooner.

What the hell? That's a tough one to take. It's a tough one to take. Look, TJ Jefferson, I know, um, you might think this might not be, um, straightforward straight up and being honest, but it is, I take no joy in the Mets being bounced.

I don't believe that. I love buckshow Walter. You know how much I love buckshow Walter. You know how much I love him. I mean, I love him. I love him. I told you when he was hired, I'm like, you got the right guy. And then look what happened and look what happened.

Right. But you know, uh, and, and, and Yankee fans, uh, we, uh, we, we, we are frequently and rightfully accused of taking joy in the Mets going down, but not me, not this guy, not this guy, my brother's a tie hard Met fan. I don't, I don't take any joy.

One of my best buddies growing up, uh, my buddy, Steve narrow, kind of happy that he's miserable today. He's one of them because we all know these Met fans. No offense. Oh, I know.

We know that we know the Met fans. It's just like, this is the time. It's the time. The Amazons, the Amazons, this is going to be it. We love these guys.

It's great. And then, and, and, uh, and then they take too much joy in the Yankees being miserable. And, and then you've got to fight back. I don't think so.

You got to fight back. I didn't really care what the Yankees did. Buck's one of my guys. So I don't have that feeling about this Mets team. I love Alonzo. I love, I love the way that they play baseball.

They're pretty likable for the most part. And then this year, you know, it was all working and I knew it was going down last night for sure. When they fired the trumpets down four and, uh, Diaz gave up two more. And that was it.

That was it. And then of course, before all that Joe Musgrove, he was dealing made an early two run single by Austin Nola stand up. And boy, was he making it stand up. And then all of a sudden I start seeing on Twitter conversations about this has been great. If we were in the business of baseball fantasy, baseball, Joe Musgrove's ears, I've never seen anything like it. This is like something straight out of the naked gun where Enrico Palazzo came out and found like power tools on the pitcher and then let him continue to pitch. I mean, a baseball meeting on the mound with all umpires standing there and one of the ump's grabs Musgrove's ears and starts massaging them, feeling them for some substance because Musgrove's ears were shiny and people started talking about it on Twitter. And I think that Twitter chatter got in the mind's eye or on the palm, in the palm of some Mets executives who called down to Buck and said, you got to check him out. And sure enough, Buck comes out after five strong by Musgrove and says, we got to check him out. And the ump's are like, okay.

And that one was weird too. Like what is, what is the standard by which does any, any, any manager could stop the game and say, massage that pitcher's ears? Is that fine?

Is that fine? Here was Buck Showalter after the game when asked about what led to the search, but no seizure. I get a lot of information that dug out that, you know, we certainly weren't having much luck the way it was going, that's for sure. But, you know, I'm charged with doing what's best for the New York Mets. And if it makes, you know, however it might make me look or, or whatever, I'm going to do that every time and live with the consequences.

I'm not here to not hurt somebody's feelings. You know, I'm going to do what's best for our players in New York Mets. And I felt like that was best for us right now.

There's some pretty obvious reasons why it was, why it was necessary. The spin rates were up. David Cohen was talking about it.

Our friend of the program, John Boy, has a terrific breakdown on his site. Spin rates on every pitch was up. And it was up by over a hundred spins, whatever per minute, whatever they want. I mean, his spin rates were up and his ears were glistening. John Boy also looked at the video and said he never once saw Musgrove go to his office. He never saw Musgrove go to his ears on the mound or off the mound. Not once.

So they found nothing. They massaged his ears and let them pitch. Andrew McCutcheon, who, I don't know if he wants to do this for a living.

I mean, maybe he might have a nice career in the media. He tweeted out that, I guarantee Musgrove has red hot on his ears. Pitchers use it as mechanism to stay locked in during games. It burns like crazy.

And I don't know why some guys think it helps them, but in no way is it sticky. Buck is smart though. Could be trying to just throw him off. Again, I mean, Buck grabbed a baseball in like the first inning and started looking at him. And so I think he got some phone calls saying, you got to check him out, Buck. And if the GM or whoever it might be is calling down and saying, check him out, Buck's going to do it. Now you said SNY announcer, Gary Cohn? Yeah, so Gary Cohn, after the game, they were outside and the fans were booing him as he was saying it, but he said, quote, it smacked of desperation and it was fairly embarrassing. I thought for Buck to do that in that spot, it was not necessary. As it turned out, Musgrove was not cheating.

If you're going to pull a stunt like that, you better be right. And Buck wasn't right. Well, then that's the thing too, is Buck was saying, you know, we'll take the repercussions and the repercussions right now are verbal criticism. And Buck is thick skinned enough to survive all that, which is why he makes for a great Mets manager.

But I'm wondering why there are no repercussions in the rule book. If you say to an umpire, check him out and a baseball game, playoff baseball game in which the pitcher you're having checked out is throwing a shutout or just forget, let's forget the fact that how effective he is. If you're going to an umpire and saying, check this guy out. And it leads to one of the more ridiculous visuals I've ever seen on a baseball field. And I've seen Steve Lyons drop his pants.

Okay. And so where an umpire is massaging and at one point the umpire like sort of rubbed, rubbed his fingers down a sideburn, sort of like, you know, what I do to my kids to make sure that they can calm down and go to sleep. I mean, how embarrassing is that? And Musgrove's got to stand there. And so if you ask for this to happen and the umpires comply and find nothing, shouldn't there be just like you lose an out, you lose a something like this should be in, in baseball, the replay system, you have one challenge in the first seven innings. If you're a manager, you get it wrong. You don't have another one. You get it right. You keep it until the eighth inning when, when the umpires on the field can institute any video replay.

So what, what, what skin is it off? Bucks knows why Gary Cohen's going to criticize him. Anybody else going to create, what does he care? How is there no, your team's getting punked. And so it just makes, it just makes it looks like you're just grasping at straws to just like, I don't know the guy's ears, the guy's ears on a 58 degree night were like bright red in this day and age.

Who the hell knows, man. But there has, if you're going to do it and the umpires rub his ears, I mean, what's like, you better be, you better be right. That's what I'm saying.

There should be a repercussion in game to whichever manager who asks for that treatment to occur. It's delivered. And if you're wrong, what is it? An out? If you do it while you're up. That batter's out. The batter's out. You got one out, which is a pretty significant stiff penalty in a playoff game that you're down for nothing in, or if you do it, what? Yeah, I got you. You have to do it when the other opposing pitchers on the mound.

So what's the, if you do it, if you do it after the end of the, uh, the ending and it's nothing's found. Right. That was my question because they check these guys the second they walk off the mound every evening.

So like check is in quotes, man. It looks like that video of that guy who's like patting you down earlier in the season, you know, you guys are getting their hands massaged. And we were like, it was like massaging ears in a playoff game in front of a nationally televised audience in an elimination game. It was odd. In case Mets fans are wondering what the hell happened to the season.

Um, do you see Seinfeld chimed in? He chimed in well, not on this specifically, but this is when the, when the, when the Mets were blowing it against the Braves, uh, when the NL East wound up being tied, he put on an Instagram on the SNY television, Instagram, I blame that stupid trumpet performance. Celebrating in season.

We haven't won anything yet. Bad mojo. Same as when Baja men showed up to play who let the dogs out in 2000 world series series ended right there. I was there in shame, man.

The Baja men saying who let the dogs out before the third game of the works. I'm like, wow. I remember that. Wow. I blame Seinfeld for his weird Kif campaign photos.

What is this? This, this, uh, company, Kif did like a promo shoot or whatever. And Seinfeld was one of the, one of the main models for it. And he looked like the Steve Buscemi. Hello, fellow young kids, Jeff.

And he wore a mess hat in one of the photos. I don't blame him for that. I blame the trumpet though.

Why, why do you believe in Trump? I don't know. Actually here, here, at least you gave, the Mets gave everybody that trumpet. Now everybody's doing it. They stopped doing it in college stadiums and stuff like that. Everybody's playing those trumpets now. What's funny is that William Katreras for the Braves had been doing it all year and no one noticed because Diaz was getting all the pub, New York city, man.

It's New York city. Yankees, Guardians. I mean, how about that? Are you worried? Guardians look great.

Of course I'm worried about anything. It's baseball playoffs. When one guy gets on, you think he's going to score every single time. How about that?

How about that? You had an elimination game. Guardians eliminate the Rays in a game that went scoreless into the 15th and the Mariners eliminate the Blue Jays in a game that went 10-9. After a wild collision and a seven run comeback.

I know. Two completely opposite ends of the spectrum of major league baseball playoff games. I also like being interested in, I would never watch a Rays Guardians game.

You know what I mean? And now I'm super locked in because it's playoff. There you go. Now it's Yankees, Guardians, Mariners. Look, it's the Yankees, Guardians is the only divisional matchup that's not a divisional game. A divisional series.

You're done. You got Padres, Dodgers. You got Phillies, Braves. You've got Astros, Mariners.

Then you got Yankees, Guardians. You're out. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely.

Sixers are going to be really good this year. So there you go. I was going to go to the Clippers game yesterday, but I just knew like the baseball game wasn't over and I'm like, I'm not going to make it there in time, so. Plus you were watching the Cowboys and the Rams, right? Oh, that was well over.

Okay. Oh, gotcha. And Kawhi is swollen. Bro, the other thing was, I was like, well, Kawhi's not going to play anyway.

And then he ended up playing. Well, speaking of swollen in the NBA, I'm assuming it does describe Jordan Poole's jaw. Draymond Green had something to say over the weekend. I bet.

On what he has wrought on the defending NBA champions. That's coming up. Your phone calls at 844-204-rich.

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If it's the NFL, it's on Westwood One. Hey, look, the Warriors know what they have in Draymond Green. They got a future Hall of Famer who plays with fire.

And clearly, I don't just mean what's in his belly. I mean, the guy plays with figurative fire. I don't know what the hell happened that caused him to smack Sucker Punch his teammate in the face.

I mean, I mean, I don't know what caused him to do that. And if the video didn't come out, I have no idea if we'd be talking about it like this or if Draymond Green would have had a press conference over the weekend or if he would have been able to, you know, find it within himself to take time away from the team. But the video came out and the mole hunt is on. I'm really surprised, Rich, about the amount of people who seem to be more upset that the video got out than by the actual. Yeah, right. So many people are like, whoever this guy's got to get fired.

Well, it's because it's a two part thing. Obviously, what Draymond did is reprehensible beyond the pale and to me can tear apart a locker room significantly enough that this team might not win it all this year. That whatever Draymond's done behind the scenes or any of the teammates might have been doing happening behind the scenes that tore the team apart or tore the team asunder or, you know, makes it more difficult for Steve Kerr to work his magic.

You know, we don't know because it didn't get out. But if I'm the Warriors, I'm like, how many of our practices can be seen and sold to TMZ? Like that's like somebody sneaking video of whatever goes on in your house and putting it out there. You'd be walking around your house looking for where the camera is or whatever, no matter what was being videoed and sent out within the house. And that's a serious breach.

That's a major problem. You feel like you've been robbed, I think, like somebody's broken into your house. Anybody who's ever had somebody burglarize their house, you walk back in your house, you don't look at it differently for a long time.

And I think that's what the Warriors are going through right now. I've had that happen to me housewise, but this is just kind of different, though. It's an assault at a practice. No, I'm I'm I'm just I'm I'm talking about the way that you're viewing your setup, your house. Forget it. Just and I know what he did is totally egregious.

I'm saying the reason why people are pointing this out is do you have a problem within your own house, even if everything is copacetic? Let's say somehow some way Jordan Poole can get over being hit in the face. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have I wouldn't look at Draymond Green the same way again. And if I'm a teammate of Draymond Green's, you know, how many more times can you put aside whatever he's done for the for the sake of of the championships of yesteryear and this year? Which is part of the reason why I think Draymond has realized this feels different. This is more than just kicking LeBron in the nuts during an NBA finals or having an argument with Kevin Durant in front of full view. I mean, this is much more different than anything else.

He is damn near rearrange the face of a teammate. The video does change everything. It went from just something we heard to now you see it. And it's so Draymond apologized, said he apologized to Poole and he's going to apologize to the family because the families are all going to get together for a ring ceremony soon.

And I think he realizes that something's different here. Although, you know, the initial reaction from from the Warriors was like, you know, Draymond's crossed the line before and he's come back, something that Bob Myers, a GM, had to say about it. But even even Curry said that this is not acceptable behavior. There was Draymond Green in his apology press conference. There is a a huge embarrassment that comes with that, not not only for myself as as as I was the one that committed the action, the embarrassment that comes for me is what it is.

And that's something that I have to deal with. But the embarrassment that Jordan has to deal with and that this team has to deal with, this organization has to deal with, but also Jordan's family, you know, his family saw that video. His mother, his father saw that video.

We just won a championship in nine days, 10 days. There will be a ring ceremony. My family will be here. His family will be here.

I'm sure they'll be here. And quite frankly, that's an elephant in a room. That's something that, you know, it's weird, you know, and on a night where it should be celebration and love and it still will be. But there is like this this this dark cloud in the room. And I caused that, you know, so I I apologize to his family and just what they've had to deal with over the course of the last 24 to 48 hours.

And I will do what I have to do to make that right. I don't know what that is. I mean, it's a dark cloud amidst the celebration that normally, you know, rains on the parade.

How do you put it back together? How do you put back together the fact that he hit somebody and there's somebody in the building who got that to TMZ? Harvey Levin paid this person or his people paid this person.

My question is, what's their agenda? That's why this is a conversation, part of this conversation too. Because did somebody think that Draymond's going to get away with it again and I'm sending that out there? You should see this. Everybody should see what Draymond just did to a teammate in practice. I mean, these are all conversations that the Warriors are going to have to deal with as they tip off against the Lakers. In a very short period of time.

Overreaction Monday and Max Crosby coming up in hour number three on the program. Saw you were shaking your head. Go for it, TJ. You know, I'm just kind of thinking that's just the world we live in today, right? Like the TMZs, the world stuff like that. If something's on video, someone's going to want to see it. Well, I understand. It's going to get out. Forget about, but will it though? I mean, there's been fights in so many different places, I'm sure. What do you think?

The Warriors are the only team to have somebody hit somebody in practice? Definitely not. Okay. That's what I mean. So it got out there. Who's you have to think, why did that person do that? Did they need the money? Maybe. Or if I'm in the Warriors organization, who decided to feel so compelled to do that?

Or do we have a security problem that somebody sneak in there and get that? And then one of them just, is it just a straight money player? Is it somebody in the organization who is like, yeah, Draymond can't get away with this.

Or Jordan's my guy. Could be any of those, you know, money talks. And so wouldn't you want to, wouldn't you want to know if you're in the Warriors organization as you're about to try and win a championship game and next time somebody walks into a practice, you're one you're looking around and seeing like, is that video going to wind up in the hands of fill in the blank?

For sure. You know, but the thing is money does talk. And I know just in my own personal situation years ago, being in the Hollywood scene, I was known for taking a lot of pictures. There were multiple times that people would try to buy photographs for me of people. And I never did because your name would be mud. My name would be mud, but that's just because I had some type of morals and scruples, but other people, if you go, Hey, we're going to give you X amount of money, money talks. And I know that. So I'm wondering, is it just a straight money play for whoever did that?

Or is it, is it a money green problem? And if I'm the Warriors, I'd want to find out, but that might not be their biggest problem either. Okay. Ross Matthews talks to celebrities, friends, and people with interesting stories to tell.

Who's saying hello, Ross, this week, Chelsea Handler. I'm not home enough to have a third dog. My housekeeper basically is their parent. I am not going to get another dog so that she has to take care of another dog until one of these dogs exits.

It's a good move. I have three rescue dogs and only two hands. And when you're one person, that's too hard to do.

I recommend two max. Okay. It's your foot, Ross. Hello, Ross available on YouTube or wherever you listen.
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