REShow: Dabo Swinney/Thomas Dimitroff - Hour 2 (9-8-2022)

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national champion head coach on the Mercedes-Benz Vans phone line from Clemson Dabo Swinney how you doing coach I'm good Rich good to be with you man hope you're well I am doing fine so congrats on the contract extension how long has this been in the works for yourself well I appreciate it and you know honestly it's something that our new AD Graham Neff you know approached you know my age is about really last December and so something and I think he just wanted to you know he he really kind of drove the timing to be honest with you and so just thankful and humbled and you know grateful to him and our board and just you know all the players and staff that we've had for all the years here and to have the opportunity to you know call Clemson our home I've been here since my 20th season and you know in my 14th as the head coach so it's been you know I've raced as you said you've got three kids I've got three kids and they all have grown up here in Clemson my baby was born here and so it's been a I got two graduates of Clemson and my youngest just became a freshman so certainly a place that we love and just thankful that got the opportunity to continue to do something that I love at a place I love well normally when I'm talking to somebody like yourself with your staff your stature and your resume and you've just signed an extension a long-term extension after having been where you are for so long I would ask how things have changed since you've been there and we all know how they've changed so I guess my question with college football is how what do you think it's going to look like in 2030 coach I think that's the more valuable question here with the state of affairs don't you think yeah what do you think I think it's what's it going to look like in 2024 it's probably more valid you know it's just it's a it's a crazy time right now in college athletics a lot of change a lot of unknowns I do think things are hidden in a in a in a good direction I think you know the popularity of the sport's never been better that's for sure and there's there's you know I think certainly some type of major change coming probably structurally sooner than later when it comes to you know I think governance structure how the power 5 is organized and you know we've got expansion coming I mean there's a lot of moving parts but people love college football there's no doubt about that and and you know I think we're well positioned you know we we've been a school that has kept the main thing the main thing for years and you know we've been one of the top academic football programs in the country for many years now and you know our plans that continue to be the case and and to continue to win at a high level you know on and off the field and you know have a program that graduates our players and and and really you know builds them and equips them for for whatever comes next after football and after Clemson and make sure they have a good experience and make sure we win championships and it's really that's that really hasn't changed and but there's a lot of new things to navigate as we go through it but I do think that again there's always unintended consequences from from good changes that come about but I think we're heading in a good direction and you know honestly the more chaos the better in my opinion because I think we kind of get there sooner than later where ultimately I think it's going to be well I mean I know you're in the midst of a playing season now and I know you're getting ready for Furman on your schedule Louisiana Tech and then your ACC schedule right after that but this is the first time I have spoken to you since you said that the sport was headed for a complete blow-up and you called the transfer portal total chaos referring to it as tampering galore so that that would indicate that you thought that football was headed in the wrong direction so have you changed your stance on those subject matters no no no no I still still no no we still have chaos I just think it's it it's going to ultimately lead us where you know I think it's going and that is a restructuring of college football you know because I think college football needs that college football in particular the power five need a new governance structure and there's no doubt about that I think for the first time really since I've been in college athletics the decision makers I think agree with that and you know figuring out what that looks like I think is the next step but you know yeah there there's some of the unintended conflict transfers good I like the fact that guys can go places that's great but there's a lot of unintended consequences that come with that and you know there is tampering there is some you know young people being manipulated and making decisions for you know wrong reasons there's a lot of things that come with it but the good from it far outweighs the bad and I think it'll all settle out so yeah it's chaotic for sure right now I don't think there's ever been more chaos when it comes to just you know where we are organizationally structurally governance wise you know enforcement of rules all those type of things there's a lot of moving parts but I do think that that is going to ultimately drive us to a better place you know and bring about some of the I think big changes that need to happen in college football well I mean those changes would would probably be easier to implement if there was a smaller subset of schools in its own world to govern themselves right and and yeah I'm here in Los Angeles Dabo Swinney otherwise now known as big 10 country which I never thought was possible yeah right so so the question is is is what let's just say there's a smaller subset of schools right and you're part of it yeah and they ask you what do you think needs to be done to guardrail matters what what would be your stance on say NIL on that front just the guardrail on that anything yeah well there and again there's the NIL is great but you know there again in some instances it's being used in in a way it's not intended I think NIL is another great opportunity for us to to further equip our guys to to be ready for the world you know it's a part of the education process and it's things that we've we've always tried to equip our guys and financial literacy and and you know tax education and all these things and so now you've got a chance to have some real world application of that which I think would be good but I think just you know again if the way you're structured now it's just not feasible anymore and honestly it's probably been antiquated for a while but you know I'm not saying I think there still should be there's there's definitely a role for the NCAA you have to have order you have to have structure you you know you have to have some type you have to have some type of guidelines and rules in place and without it it does lead to chaos and uncertainty and and you know we've got a situation right now in college football where it's just it's just it's a mess it's a lot of gray I mean you know where and you've got and that leads to you know tampering and and a lot of people being involved that don't need to be involved and and I think it more importantly it distracts from the main thing and that is our responsibility in college athletics that is to educate young people you know I just I believe that we have to stay focused on the scholastic aspect of college athletics and you know we know 98 of these these these young men are not going to play in the pros and we we have to equip them and I think you know as we modernize the game modernize the structure you know you know further share and incentivize players but do it through the the academic process and and incentivize education and graduation and and and all those things so I think there's a lot of a lot of moving parts and people a lot smarter than me that will figure out but I do think to do that you've got to have a different governance structure because you can't have you know we we have a football oversight committee for example and and you know the the the makeup of that is not reflective of the needs from the power five if you will and and and that's you know whether that's good or bad or whatever that's just the way it is and then you have the an NCAA council where you know you're you're trying to make soccer the same as football or whatever and and it's just there's just different worlds and and I think that there's a real role still for the NCAA but I do think being able to streamline things and be much more efficient and decisions that need to happen like that could happen in a day or a week you know takes years and and that whole process is just it just doesn't work and you know so that's what I mean by the the more chaos the better because I think it ultimately is driving everything to a better place that we're going to land when that when we get there I don't know is it next year is it 24 is it 2031 as you said there I don't know but I do think there has to be some type of break where things can be done on a timely manner that are reflective of the membership and so it's just it's just not our reality right now but you know I do think college football will get there at some point there'll be a lot of smart people and what does that look like you know is there is there a commissioner is are they are there leagues or are they divisions you know as the expansion grows you know how all that gets shaken out a lot of smart people will figure it out but I know this man our main objective is to build great men through this game and and to make sure that we teach them to use the game and not let the game use them and you know that that has to be the objective and you know college athletics provides access and opportunity and relationships and experiences and and and you know opportunities to create life-changing transformation you know throughout people's lives so I think it's a it's a great platform and again a lot of good days ahead sure you know sometimes you you got to go through some stuff but we're going to get there well I mean in terms of getting there faster which you said a couple times few minutes left here with Dabo Swinney the Clemson you had to head coach uh your domino could blow this thing completely up if you choose or Clemson chooses to tap out of the ACC at some point and I understand there's television rights and things that make my eyes glaze over and I'm sure my listeners and viewers as well as your your eyes glaze over as well but um if if Clemson decides to move on and join another conference that would speed this process up I think considerably Notre Dame's another one and you guys play each other by the way get ready for these questions that week leading up to that game too Dabo Swinney but I have how active is Clemson on that front right now can you share with us oh man I have no idea I leave that up to the to the to the people that are involved man we've been a charter member of the ACC for a long time you know we got a great league yeah there's some complications there's some there's some challenges but again I think ultimately it's it's going to all be driven by a group of people that eventually will get in a room together and put all all feelings aside and do what's best for college football I think ultimately we'll get there and I think things where we are right now is is is probably going to be very different in a couple years and we're probably looking back at today and go huh well I thought this was going to happen and and it didn't so I don't know about all that stuff I just know that you know my we my job is to is to have our team ready and to make sure that that we have a program that you know is a model program in college football and that's what we're going to continue to do whether whether we're in the ACC the FCC the Big 10 the Big 12 the PAC whatever the or the or the the new world college football league I have no idea man we're we're gonna Clemson Clemson is is a special place and going to always be a special place and and always be one of those programs that's that's going to you know have a seat at the table uh do you like the 12 team playoff idea that was uh forwarded and apparently approved do you like that coach well I mean you know I I'm a traditional college guy and uh you know I'd be honest with you I like the BCS I thought that was just fine and wow was just like the computers you like the computers and the slide rule and all those and you like that you know I couldn't figure it out I just think that well I think with the governance structure that's one of the reasons why I think there needs to be a new governance structure because having a tournament with 131 teams you know for football because football is really not a tournament sport yes and you know I think it's it it waters it down and that's another reason why I think if expansion is what we want then then there has to be some change there you know the NFL has a reason why they have 32 teams you know and so um uh it's it is what it is people people want that and and there there's there's some consequences that will come with that I think it's it's going to be great people love college football you know and and people think that more is better and and and maybe that will be the case and a lot of people can debate but there will be some consequences with that when it comes to you know maybe some some um you know end season type of things but I'm excited about it and you know because again we all knew this was coming so the sooner the better you know because then we can move on and focus on you know what we got to do to manage getting our teams ready and what's the calendar going to look like how do we you know prepare all those things because there'll be a lot of change that will come with a 12 team playoff so it'll certainly create more access for more teams but you know we're we'll be ready and willing here to to participate in however it shakes out before I let you 12 or 8 or 16 or whatever before I let you go do you have a quarterback competition maybe on your hands in your current team oh yeah okay we got a we got a left tackle competition a receiver competition a running back competition a quarterback competition I mean this is we've got you know three five-star quarterbacks in our room and uh you know DJ has has earned the right to be the starter without question and uh but we got you know Cade has has demonstrated that man you know he can he can win for us based on what we've seen in practice and then we finally got a chance to get a little bit of game experience but he's certainly uh proven that hey he he deserves the opportunity to play uh you know within within the flow of the game or season as we go and you know so uh nobody has a lifetime contract um you know in college football man you gotta you gotta show up every week and you gotta you gotta go prove it and earn it and I don't think we're any different than than uh a lot of places out there but we we're very fortunate man we've got really good players DJ is a is a very talented young man and and uh did a lot of good things last week especially in the second half and then to be able to get Cade in there was uh was a blessing too so you know hopefully we can get Hunter Johnson some opportunity as well he's another you know uh very talented player so we've got a good situation and uh but we certainly have competition at every position uh which I think makes us uh you know a team that that has an opportunity to compete for this league. And last one for you coach um you know I have not seen a quarterback come into the league like Trevor Lawrence and have a set of circumstances surround him in his first year quite like what Trevor Lawrence went through last year have you spoken with him and um and connected with him about what happened last year and how this year I mean talk about a fresh start my goodness I don't even know how you can evaluate him off of that first season quite frankly so yeah of course yeah of course I've I've seen him talk to him and many times um you know um during the season last year after the season you know this pre-season I mean he's in a great place um no matter what happens we all learn and grow from the good and the bad right you know sometimes you learn more from the bad than the good uh but uh he's uh he's in a good place and man he's he he loves where they are and I don't have any doubt that he's got um better days ahead you know with with both individually and then also you know with their team there in Jacksonville so I'm excited to see him get back at it and um and he's excited and just like I said he's grown a lot um and uh learned a lot again good and bad and he'll build on that coach thanks for the time greatly appreciate it uh let's connect down the line if you don't mind throughout the season your your your Clemson Tigers well positioned after one week you know it's early on but uh I appreciate the cents the two cents figuratively and then congratulations on your dollars and cents in your and your long-term contract for your family I appreciate it thank you so much take care that's Dabo Swinney the head coach of Clemson football here on the Rich Eisen Show let's take a break and when we come back we return to the world of professional football Thomas Dimitrov who is assistant GM if I'm not mistaken once upon a time was named Les Snead who's raising a banner tonight lots to talk about with TD formerly of the ATL when we come back we could talk about how complicated other banks make it to redeem credit card rewards like how they require minimums and worse how their rewards flat out expire or we could talk about how with discover you can redeem your rewards for cash in any amount at any time I mean talk about amazing and now that we've talked about that let's get back to the Rich Eisen Show you know the stuff we talk about here learn more discover.com slash redeem rewards terms apply Geico asks how would you love a chance to save some money on insurance of course you would after all who doesn't love a great deal right and when it comes to great rates on insurance for all the things in your life Geico can help like with insurance for your car truck motorcycle boat and RV even help with home owners condo or renters coverage you could save even more with a special discount when you bundle your coverages plus add the easy to use Geico mobile app available 24-hour roadside assistance and more and choosing to switch to Geico becomes an easy choice switch today and see all the ways you could save with great rates and discounts it's easy simply go to Geico.com to get a raise quote or contact your local agent and get started seeing how much you could save back here on the Rich Eisen Show 844-204-rich is the number to dial long time friend long time friend TD and I go way back not to his New England days his Atlanta general managing days and I just remember him being here in Los Angeles California with his right hand man and I remember him being in Los Angeles California with his right hand man talking about the future of the Atlanta Falcons his right hand man was named Les Need and tonight Les Need is the general manager of team raising a banner and he's got a new contract of being the general manager of the Los Angeles Rams through 2026 same thing as Sean McVeigh is locked up joining us here back on the Rich Eisen Show Mercedes-Benz Vans phone line the host of the GM Journey podcast and so much more my friend kickoff what's up Thomas?

Rich it is so great to hear you and thanks it's been a while and I can't wait to connect. I mean let's do it I mean you remember that time in Los Angeles it was you and Les and I were all having a drink and and look at Les man right look at where Les is today unbelievable look at look at Les effing them picks being where he is he is the maverick GM in this league and I love it I he and I talk more regularly now than we probably ever have and it's been it's been a really enjoyable journey watching him develop and evolve man it's it's really cool Rich. Well it's the the maverick I guess you're referring to is the effing of picks that uh right but it's not all the picks clearly they make draft choices and they're important draft choices for him to make and for him and his staff to hit on but what what are you willing to share with everybody about his general managing and his thinking that's led to tonight's banner raising Thomas. Well look look it's a great point and the way I look at it is of course Les knows the importance of personnel draft related personnel he also understands the importance of there are projections it's one of the most difficult things as a general manager per acquisition it's projecting in the NCAA into the NFL and what he has done and his group has done is make sure that they're focusing on the people out there the free agents that they're acquiring pay the money for them don't have any uncertainties about them for the most part know what they are and what they aren't is the acquisitions that he's made and if if some of those guys aren't you know necessarily uh completely alert in meetings I won't go under that they know what it is and they know what to expect they'll get the most out of that player and then really focus on those mid rounds and try to make sure that you're putting the focus on those mid rounds get the guys right at the front of the free agency mode and I think they have a really really keen approach to this it's not just relying on the value of draft picks it's putting the best team together and I say this time and again that general manager in this league I learned this from Bill Belichick no question you know your team better than anyone else everyone else can project Les knows all facets of his team he knows what's best for he and Coach McVeigh and I just again Admiral in his approach.

And when did you first meet him? Thomas when did he first get on your radio? It's a great point Les and I ended up meeting way way back in the early early years of our career I'd say man almost uh 25 years ago and we were we were close we got along a lot from the standpoint of fitness and eating food we weren't we went out there big party guys but we had a really good interaction with a lot of people in the league and our focus was on football as well as life in general and we both always had had an interest in trying to grow and professionally develop and that's where our friendship grew we ended up communicating in between those times before we even became partners you know at the Atlanta Falcons and to go into the Falcons and Les to be there as my right-hand guy was really really important at the outset I needed the right soldiers around me and Les was great with that early on in that process. Thomas Mitroff here on the Rich Eisen show so um week one of an NFL season for a general manager I mean is your work pretty much done practice squad set roster set you know I mean uh you have to massage the cap a little bit maybe you get someone to make I guess I just saw the Steelers got T.J. Watts deal kind of redone to give him some more cap room what what is a week one for a general manager mean right now Thomas? You know what yeah week one's rich I think you know there you look at your entire roster you look at your organization you're really really focused on week one and kicking it off in the right way there's been a lot of talk out there about week one you're hoping that your head coach as a general manager is going to be really creative with week one and I think week one presents these teams with the opportunity to be creative they can throw twists into their approach because there's been nothing really revealed for the most part in the preseason right so I think that's an important thing regarding roster and roster optimization to me that is vital you need to not only see what you have in place but you also need to continue to look out and always be in front of the curve that's the way I've always perceived it and I'm sure in this situation Les does he looks at what his roster is he looks at what may be coming up as far as contracts of course he's got his staff out on the road already starting their college looks and he starts putting his mind as a general manager I'm talking about Les to see what is out there and what direction he's going to go to fill those ostensible needs down the road uh with his group week one pressure laden for sure but you need to kick it off it's like it's like you know just putting your feet into it all dipping your toes into it once that starts you get into a role but man it is pressure laden coming into the first game and what a what an off season it was I mean we were just talking about it Thomas in the first hour that this is going to be the the best NFL season ever because that march where we saw retirements and un-retirements and we saw top-notch A-list players on the move at quarterback wide receiver and Bobby Wagner being the last I guess move of March now he's between Aaron Donald and and Jalen Ramsey which of the March moments free agent signings acquisitions trades retirement un-retirement do you think um is the most impactful for the season where you as a GM get ready for your GM journey podcast and everything else going on in your world you're like that's the one that's the one that's the difference maker which one wow well that there are so many out there works that I that I looked at like you said I mean they are it's an amazing year it's fun to watch now stepping back and to be able to take it all in but you may only choose one Thomas you may only choose one that is the construct I'm putting you in the box this is sports talk radio for crying out loud what do you got for me I mean Russell Wilson my all eyes are on at so many levels on that if you're referring to something like that yes it goes way it goes way beyond the acquisition for George Payton and the Broncos to do the what they perceived as the right thing to know the the the repercussions of what's going on in Seattle with John Snyder and company that is another big big deal that there's a there's so much going on there how it's going to affect the rest of the division how it's truly going to affect the perception of quarterbacks into their 30s and the payment and the numbers that are going involved this to me is a really interesting crossroads for this year I go all the way back to when I pulled the trigger on Matt Ryan to give him his final contract when I was there and we we had everyone different different levels saying you know he only give him you know 2.95 percent what 29 and a quarter and you know making that decision to go up to 30 million knowing that right around the corner in the next two months someone's going to jet past them this league is amazing where the money is at all levels not only with quarterbacks in this situation the general managers and head coaches it's amazing to see it I think Russell Wilson is the one I'm watching the closely at all levels well and then of course the Deshaun Watson contract having so many ripple effects even though Arizona number with with one quarterback and then Denver with another with Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson did not fully guarantee the entire deal the first two uh so how do you see that playing out with Eric DaCosta and Lamar Jackson who set a Friday deadline on getting something done what's your thoughts there yeah yeah and that's that's an interesting one to watch they know how important that quarterback is I mean personally I see them playing out they want to get that deal done and they should want to get that deal done he offers so much of that organization of course there are creative elements that come with a quarterback like Lamar they also know there are challenges hopefully they can have the right people around them I love that organization I think they're so well thought out and of course Eric's going to do the right thing and I think it's taking care of business as it needs to be done so what is what do you think it is what's your what's your assessment of what the hold-up is because you've you got again a contract like Watson sitting out there and then you've got a player representing himself I imagine you've never had something like that you dealt with back in your day but what what is the issue best you can tell you know yeah I personally again I think the issue is making sure that they again they realize the value of this this quarterback of course right and they just want to make sure again you're not dealing with agent I have not I have not dealt with that before that is that is new to me but the idea of being able to jump in and say we are committing for x amount of years to assist them in an approach that we know we're going to have to approach with this type of a quarterback I think that weighs on their mind I don't think it's that easy although I think it's really really important for them to to check the box on and make sure it's done here Thomas Dimitrov I'd like you to put your Belichick whisperer hat on knowing him or being around him for as much as you were back in the day what do you think is going on with the play calling there I mean all of New England is freaking out going into this number two season for Mac Jones after a remarkable first year making the playoffs as a rookie and Josh McDaniel's not being there handing the play calling off to two guys he knows very well or one guy he knows very well and and handing it off to somebody who's never done it before what do you think his thinking is right now Thomas I believe that you know Bill has a very good understanding of what's around him that's one of the things that Bill has always had always taught anyone that comes through there you know your group you know your intelligence first of all I don't think Bill gives a flip about what any of us think about this we all know that and secondly I think even though there's a whole bunch of banter out there about who should take the lead on it I think Bill knows deep down that he's going to be the the overview of all of this he's got two really important and smart people in that role whether they're defensive-minded or offensive-minded I was curious to see how that was going to play out and I really believe that you know he wants a little bit of a mystery to it Bill never wants to if I may speak about him I don't think he ever wants to reveal anything he wants to there to be a little bit of mystery to it so that people can't point to any different any elements of play calling leading into this season but wouldn't it be I guess I shall have the temerity to question wouldn't it be more sensible to get somebody who has done it before and bring that person in and teach them the patriot way the Belichick way rather than bringing in somebody who's fully versed on the patriot way and the Belichick way and handing them the reins of a very important season for their sophomore year quarterback Thomas yes I just think with coach Belichick I think his approach has always been he knows best and he's going to be putting his group in the in the right situation as they are and whoever ends up whoever he ends up pulling the trigger on the play calling he's got a plan for that already and and I can't sit there and sort of you know project why he's doing it necessarily but for the fact that he knows best he's already had those guys I'm sure you know on the board many many times talking about how they would approach it and I think he's extremely confident with his intelligence level there and in the end you know bill is bill bill bill does not think I believe that there's anyone in the league that can go toe to toe with them per you know the logistics and the play calling of his team last one for you Thomas I'm going to give you another sports talk radio question so here we go you can only choose one roster the Super Bowl winning roster what do you take you can take one roster on the National Football League and say I will take that roster to win it all which roster is it entering week one we got look I'm a huge fan of both the game tonight and I'm a big fan of the bills and I just think I love where the bills are right now I love what they're doing with Brandon being at the lead of it all I know this isn't roster related I love what they're doing with Sean you know with Sean McDermott as a coach gm bill that's a big thing for me where they on the roster with Josh Allen of course Stephon Biggs I mean look I just think they are rounded and they have the approach they know about they're going to come with a lot of fierceness to them and I think I think I think they are they are dung-ho and very very focused to come in and kick a lot of ass in this situation I'd go with them do you like the bills just like I mean everybody's on them and I want to I'm on them too Thomas I'm on them too you just look at the way that they are rostered and put together and then what beats inside when they actually play the game it's just it's tough not to take them it really is you know I agree I think again you know what they're facing any team coming in with that background and your approach and what they're putting their money into and how they're looking at things and understanding the importance of morale and growth and evolution that's been fun watching that and anytime anyone's put together a winning type of team there's there are so many layers rarely in my mind is it luck of course the ball has to bounce your ways but again you're not only talking about the roster itself you're talking about how the organization is set up and I just think the bills are a clash organization with a lot of upside of course by the way I lied I have one more I always have one more you want to take your best guess on the the first situation where a rookie's going to start you got something for me there what are you what's your best guess could it be your old spot could it be your old spot Pittsburgh could it possibly be Tennessee Washington what do you got for me on that I think it's Pittsburgh I think I think they're well it's not Pittsburgh right no I don't think so let me go let me jump around here sure go ahead let's talk let's talk eventually kids are you talking on day one no I'm talking about which you know invariably the rookie drafted rookie gets a shot what do you what do you think where do you think the first one is there is it Desmond Ritter in your old spot could it be Trubisky sitting because they they think pickets ready could it be Sam Howell in Washington could it be Malik Willis who looked terrific in the pre-season but it is pre-season that's uh I guess those are your options right now you know these are great rich I look I'm going to stay in Atlanta since I'm sitting here down the street from the stadium and I will say Ritter I think Marcus Mariota great soul as you know great person that's that organization I think believes they know what they have in Marcus and they know they need to start getting this organization their heads around a growing you know prospect for the future and like we did with Matt Ryan way back we were very creative with how we put him on the scene early we made sure we surrounded him with the right people they've done a nice job you know Terry Fontenot and co as far as putting together that offensive group after coming off some major moves with with the receiver group leaving of course and Matt Ryan leaving I mean there's a lot around this organization that needs to help Ritter grow understand the need to increase their run game or improve their run game that is vital and I think they're going to go after that a little bit into the season and realize what they have in Desmond. Speaking of growing and you know making the most of things what's going on with Sumer Sports you you'd involved in an analytics startup along with your podcast is that what you're doing TD? I am yeah I am I rich the podcast itself very quickly GM Journey I love that I set out last year to go out and you know interview 16 or 17 the spirit of professional development I didn't want to like end up in Burgundy drinking like French wine all off season so I thought I'd go out and spend time with with my contemporaries and had a great time there learned a lot that was a great venture adventure that I had there and a lot of really cool stuff to share and by by the way let me add and I am defending my GM Bredlin here I think too often in this league the general managers are marginalized the general managers bring so much to the table so much insight and intelligence and direction for this league and I think too often the owners the head coach the quarterback take the stage and I understand that there is a lot to glean from these GMs so very very important as we're moving forward and oh by the way a whole other topic you get a GM you get a head coach that that salary gap is huge right now that's a whole other topic of conversation head coaches should be making a lot of money I get it there should not be the gap that there is generally speaking between the two in my mind that's one thing Sumer Sports if you don't mind me asking or or adding Sumer is a is a startup company that I that I joined about seven or eight months ago I'm really excited about being involved with it where the world is right now in the league and the evolving elements of of data analytics roster optimization is is really key to me and dear to my heart I think there's a lot to learn and a lot to grow in that area and quite honestly versus me going and having an opportunity to be you know an assistant GM somewhere a consultant for one of my buddies at a team I I can learn a lot more in this world for now if there ever were to be another opportunity on my doorstep Thomas you're the best man uh let's uh let's stay in touch throughout the season I'd love to get your thoughts on what we're about to witness thanks for the time brother thank you so much brother that's thomas dimitrov check out his podcast the gm journey podcast right here on the rich isin show we'll take a break jamis winston with a new take on the children's hit head shoulders knees and toes and more of your phone calls that's next on the rich isin show tired of reporting fire drills value ops the value stream management solution from broadcom is built to manage what you value most value ops means more visibility not more meetings instant access to data and actionable insights to make reporting easier it's one platform for everyone with specific features to support your job roi is tracked at every step so there's more value for you and your customers to schedule a free demo go to broadcom.com value opening a business checking account shouldn't be harder than running your business so why do most banks still make you go into a branch with live oak bank you can open an account online in minutes that's because they 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you're overusing something else so uh just a holistic body everything about your body you have to be able to work certain things just because my knee hurting that doesn't mean that i need to work my knee i need to work my hips right i need to work my ankles uh and you got certain things that are we're all like it's our body is so symmetrical right you got you got your wrists you know then what are your wrists on the bottom half the ankles you know you got your shoulders up top what are your shoulders your hips you know what i'm saying you got your elbows for the elbows your knees right like so it's symmetrical and you just got to work different parts so from now on he's amazing refer to your ankles around here as your bottom wrists and your elbows as your top knees can you write you want to write it down so you remember hey that the high ankle lower wrist spring matt stafford's knees are fine what he had surgically repaired was his upper knee his throwing upper knee throwing upper knee yeah yeah which is kind of makes it sound like he was nauseous so just throwing upper knee wait so jimmy had non-throwing hip surgery yes he did no no non-throwing upper hip surgery right again you should write it down it can be very confusing but symmetrical fantastic so what you do what you do he was eating w's with his upper toes back in the day you know what and i'm gonna say it and rex ryan loves his lower fingers loves it the lower the lower hands he loves lower hands but the fingers well he's more of a lower hand he's more of a lower hand guy i think oh low hands and those are his upper toes eating w's which as we also know upside down m's oh this is a blast football's back hey jamison is teaching biology and symmetry just in time for kickoff jamison comedic gift that keeps on giving head upper hips lower elbows and lower hands lower hands lower hands head upper upper upper hips lower elbows and lower fingers yeah yeah eyes and ears and mouth and nose head upper hips lower elbows lower fingers lower elbows lower fingers the people don't have kids because me and tj are looking at each other like what do you guys don't know this song you don't know head shoulders knees and toes knees and toes mike you're an uncle aren't you come on eyes and ears and mouth and nose no not a chance oh my god what are you doing over there that you're not even in this thing what are you doing what are you doing you're looking at your fantasy team you drafted in ashton's barn the other night as i just put on the chat i have no idea what's happening right now by the way people think that guy's gonna be a playoff quarterback and i cannot wait to a super bowl media day where he's teaching biology and then expanding out to chemistry do not underestimate that man we're back with more for the real story behind some of wrestling's biggest moments it's something to wrestle with bruce prichard and conrad thompson too all-time hogan opponents macho man's got to be in the conversation 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