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Now, on with the show. This is the Rich Eisen show. Unshakable, unstoppable, and champions at last. You boys ought to be awfully proud to know that you're the first ever to be world champion. Earlier on the show, ESPN NFL analyst Jeff Saturday, Fox Sports rules analyst Dean Bandino.
Coming up, Emmy award-winning actor Ray Seehorn. And now it's Rich Eisen. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. The talented, remarkably talented, the wickedly talented, Ray Sehorn is in our is in our in our world today. Hour number three, she's going to join us.
She's in the second season of Stick. The very funny show on Apple TV. Yeah, Owen Wilson. Owen Wilson. Our buddy Rex Lin is involved in that.
Nice, love Rex Lin. But you know, we haven't spoken with Ray. She when she was here, it was just after Better Call Saul ended, and she was like, "Yeah, Vince Gilligan asked me to be in a new show." And then she wouldn't tell us a damn thing about it. Yeah, didn't tell us a word. And it turned out to be pleuribus, which she has now won an Emmy award.
That show just like so that that show has blown up. But obviously, you know the way we feel here. It was her appearance on the Rich Eisen show that really kicked everything up. Um, naturally, that's called the Rich Eisen show bump. Anyway, Ray is going to be joining us shortly.
Eight four four two zero four Rich number to dial. Let's go to Ruxton in South Bend, Indiana. What's up, Ruxton? Hey, hey, Rich! Thanks for taking my call.
What's going on? Not a lot. I got a higher register for you guys today.
Okay, we just finished with ours. Let's let's keep it going. What do you have?
Well, you know, I'm a big Vikings fan, and we started six and zero. We got what might turn out to be a historic defense. And I think that the Vikings are good enough that we can win it all, even if we don't go shopping at the trade deadline. Oh, okay, all right.
So, do you have to go high registered to believe in Kyler Murray, Ruxton? I honestly think that if we don't take a big swing for somebody like Jonathan Taylor, or I would have liked to get him and Quinton Nelson, honestly. But it's not that I don't believe in Kyler. It's more that without a run game to really pound the rock in the red zone, I I just don't know if we can put up enough points to keep up with the with the Joe Burroughs and Josh Allen's in the world. All right, Ruxton, I gave you an opportunity.
Now I'm going to give you another one. I need you to go high register about Kyler Murray in three, two, go.
Well, I don't think that Kyler Murray can keep up with the Josh Allen's of the world.
Okay, normally you got to go more positive on that, but all good, man. Six and zero. Enjoy it. That game against the Lions.
Next call. That's Ruxin in South Bend, Indiana. Gave him a shot there. It's not easy. It's not easy.
I know. It's not easy. I want you guys. I know. Like, for again, for for South Bend, Indiana folks out there who might need a little higher register help.
I kind of think Rudy was a good football player. He bet. No, I kind of think Rudy actually did what he did. Was a good film. No, it's a.
No, that's a good film. I can go lower register for that. No, I I think Rudy really was carried off the field by everybody. You know what I mean? Like that's the way it goes.
I'm sorry. That's low hanging. What's the great Michigan movie? Huh? They call the big chill.
No, the big chill. We call the big chill with Academy Award winners. It's about Michigan football. It's about it's about Michigan graduates who get together, watching Michigan football games together as a reunion weekend, learning about themselves as human beings, and learning about how they are still friends or not growing apart.
Sorry, I just fell asleep.
Okay, it wasn't black and white. Very good. It wasn't black and white. It was color. I can.
Rich, those Syracuse movies are great. Get out of here. Were you aware that I once wore a Tim Biakabatuka jersey in a movie? Oh my god. I'm unaware of that.
Yes, there's a movie called Just Married. Oh, Ashton and Brittany Murphy, and there's a beach football scene. Why did we gain a movie? And I've got a Tim Bianca Batuga Michigan jersey playing beach football. The Express, the Ernie Davis story.
Look it up now. Brittany Murphy is in it. Yes. Who's Ashton? He's another actor.
I was an actor. She's an actor. He was. His name is never be spoken. I by the way, how out of his have you heard from him yet?
I've been talking to him in a couple. Oh, I mean, if you open a window, you might hear him talking about the Jeffrey Simmons trade. You know, he he's he's breaking his expectations a little bit. We can hear from him all all the way from the barn. I'd imagine.
No, I'm sure Seth Rollins was screaming. Oh, oh, all the way from the barn.
Okay.
So we just had a caller from the Vikings saying, "You know, wish we could get Jonathan Taylor." So would rest of the rest of the National Football League. The question is, will he be available? Jeff Saturday in hour number one was on the show. I am like, what What would you do?" And he said, "I'd flip him." It's like a year or two until this thing gets handled and turned around. They.
Honestly, when teams "quote unquote" tank, right, you start removing star players from your team, giving your team a more difficult opportunity to win. That's right.
Some of your your salaries. That's what you are talking about in terms of tanking, and you are getting a better draft position for yourself to immediately turn it around. The problem is, is their first round choice belongs to the Jets.
So, as more games that they lose, it actually makes the Jets better. But you also heard all of these trades that they're making. Maybe get enough capital to put enough together to get to the first round, or you trade Jonathan Taylor and guess where you're back in the in the first round. Yeah, yeah, hundred percent. But you're trading away a face of the franchise, a guy who's It's a rare.
There's in terms of running backs, just off the top of your head, there's very few that are as good as Jonathan Taylor. In terms of as good as a human as he is a running back, he's awesome. You know, I don't want to start going down the road because there are many great humans or great running backs as well. But he's great. And face a franchise, and fans can't get enough of him.
You got to hold him in Wisconsin. Remember, he called in when he was still in college. I think we go way back. He's one of those guys. He's up there with Saquon in terms of.
I'm. You're glad you're not in the Big Ten anymore. Go terrorize me somewhere else. This is what he had to say about being on the block. I haven't heard anything.
I can't control that. Obviously, like you guys know, that I'm always proud to wear the horseshoe, proud to be here. And similar to Clinton and Buck, they were proud to wear the horseshoe, they were proud to be here. But obviously, circumstances may may cause otherwise.
So, hopefully, that day may not come. But I can't control that. Only that I can control is rallying these guys in the locker room, helping us put together a great plan and executing a great plan for Jacksonville. Because, because like I said, it's a division game. They're looking their chops right now.
They think they're you know going to kick us while we're down, and that has to be the point of emphasis.
So there you go. Can't control it. Yep. Proud to wear the horseshoe. And then the question is though, do you sort of want to go somewhere else if you're already seeing some of the caliber of players?
Like as you said. Nelson and Buckner are going somewhere else.
Now, when you ask a player, "Hey, it's all going down the tubes around here," you're not going to say "tank." You're going to use the word "rebuild," which is what a reporter did. And to give you an idea of why I keep saying there's no tanking in the NFL, because there's anyone who's left behind doesn't think that there's a white flag. They don't do that. Listen to Jonathan Taylor's answer about being part of a rebuild. Are you okay with being part of the rebuild?
Because it could be rough going. Are you think we're rebuilding?
Well, based on this week's trades, yes, I would say we going out there trying to win.
So that's why we going out there trying to win.
So that's why, like for me, like being a competitor is is never, and not only for myself, but everybody in this locker room. No one goes out there to wave the right white flag and surrender. No, we going out there to compete. We're going out there to get a W to get a win. And obviously, you every time you go on the field, you want to dominate and show that you're the best.
So that's what we're going to continue to do. And It's part of my job, especially losing two captains. Is losing two captains. It's like, hey, we got to rally these guys, and and we got to show and have that leadership to say, hey. NFL doesn't stop for anyone, and the business is the business.
You guys see it; are still things going on today. But what can you do as as a guy who's been there, been here for a while, a leader? What can you do to rally these guys, keep them focused? I think that's the biggest thing, especially some of younger guys. Which is why great don't trade him.
Yeah, great answer. That answer right there is why you don't trade him. And anybody out there that thinks oh he's got his head in the sand or he's not being truthful in the answer about. Hearing the word "rebuild" and pushing back, right? It's honestly he has spent every minute of his day waking up, going to the facility, and getting in the film room and getting on the practice field before he's pulled out of that world into the world of the podium and the media conversation and the rest of the way the world looks at the Colts from the outside.
And he's on the inside out. And he hears the word rebuild, and he's probably like, "I, I haven't been thinking that all day. I'm thinking about my two guys are gone. I'm the guy here. I need to be a leader for everyone here.
Follow me by example. Let's go beat Jacksonville." So that's why I say there's no tanking in the NFL. You just heard that answer.
Now front offices may start to rebuild, and you being left behind are not going like. That's the end of that around here, and if you are, then you're definitely going to get your ass shipped out next. If you're like Jonathan Taylor, you stay, and that's why front office need they need him. I mean, if he's if that's the message he's exuding in that facility, you got to have him. Certainly, if you're Shane Steichen and your job's on the line.
You know the fans too, right? You got to give them something to hold on to. You send this guy away, then why are they showing up the rest of the year? The Jets have Garrett Wilson. Hearing all the trade rumors, I mean, every single team that needs a wide receiver: San Francisco, Kansas City, name it.
Boy, if they can land him. Right and the Jets. Why would they get rid of him? They've they've got three picks in the top twelve as we speak right now, including the Colts, who's only going to get worse. They don't need.
Yeah, don't do that for them, and better for the Jets. And he had this to say about hearing his name on the block. Have you or will you asked to be traded? You know what? Nah.
Like I see the stuff on social as well, and you know I'm big on you know not just not just when it comes to social media and stuff, but controlling what I can control. You want to be here, is what you're saying? Yeah, of course. I don't want to put words in your mouth. Yeah, I want to be here, man.
I want to win games, you know, and that's the the one thing we've been missing on here. I love. I love. Here, do I love it more than I love winning? You know, nah, to be completely honest.
But I'm, but I'm hopeful. I'm, you know, I never been the best like optimistic guy, but I didn't find a way out and dug deep, and I've been optimistic for three, four, five years now, and you know, that's why these ones each weekend hurt a little more. I love it. Jets have to hold on to him. Yeah.
End of story. What are you going to do? Get get another first? What you want? Four first round picks to do what?
To get new guys in that you're hoping have that same mentality of I'm I'm not I don't want to give up here. I'm optimistic. He has zero reason to be optimistic. He's had his brains beaten in after being nothing but a winner. They got to hold on to him.
Tell anybody who's calling new phone who this? Because at some point you're going to get the quarterback right, and you're going to need somebody like him. And again, to make their job easy, let the Colts give you your highest draft choice. You do you, and see if the where the Cowboys pick lands. You hold on to him.
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Our radio audiences just returned. We saw a clip of season two of Stick that again premieres November fourth on Apple TV with two episodes. Ray Seahorn. Here on the Rich Eisen show is part of this season of Stick. Did you have to?
Are you a golfer? Are you a player? By not at all. No, all my friends are laughing about the fact that people keep asking me to do sporty things and shows. Even even when I golf in Pluribus, I had to have like five hundred lessons to even look like I've ever touched a golf club.
Right, and I had a lot more for this one because even though obviously they do all sorts of tricks, and I had a great golf double. Right, they need to have some base. Baseline to start with.
So yeah, I had they had a consultant there, Nathan Leonhart. Leonhart, I think I'm saying that correctly. But Michael Cho over at City Golf was my instructor, and he was great.
Okay, they needed me to just get the swing, but also my character's supposed to be like almost could have gone pro herself, and and is a swing coach for like. Professional, so they had to get that. Yeah, because you know, we sports people can be total a hole sticklers. I know when it comes to like, okay, you know, I know she may be an Emmy award winning actor, but that's not a golfer. You know, I got, I got the whole like when the stick goes behind you, yeah, it has to be the like it's a forty five degree.
I forget it lines up with your. It's all gone now. It's all gone. Listen, by the way, it's not like I'm any good. Like literally.
While you were doing that, I thought, can I get a tip right now? Yeah, basically on what you just did. But you know, working on this show, you didn't have to golf too much, right? I mean, it's not like I'm supposed to look like I swing quite a few times in it. But we weren't out on a course.
It was almost always using a simulator to coach Owen's character, right? Yeah. Okay.
And what's it like working with Owen Wilson? He's so much fun. Yeah. He's so Great. He has.
Everybody on the show has taken up golf. Maybe not. Mark, I think Mark's about as non sporty as I am. Maron doesn't strike me as a guy who's going to go out for a round of eighteen. No, you know, just sneak one in.
Yeah, okay. If anything, I believe he and I were discussing when everybody else was talking about sports because Tim is sporty too. Right.
Well, he's a tennis guy. Whenever whenever he's been here, oh, that's right, he does play tennis. Where I even started talking about how I've taken tennis lessons, and then I made a motion with my hand. About swinging, that was not good. Oh, he started laughing at me on the spot.
You remember that? I do. He started laughing at me, yeah, which is tough for me to take when a when a cool dude that I want to like me so much makes fun of me. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do.
That guy, I do know that feeling. Yeah, I get made fun of a lot. Really? About it? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. All right, we can get through it. But I mean, I felt bad. Jason Keller, our showrunner, like then one of the episodes I got. I won't spoil it, but we all break out into me and the guys break out into playing a certain other sport, yes, game just for fun.
Okay, and he texts me. He's like, "Do you do you do this sport at all? It doesn't matter. It could be tennis. Could be frisbee.
It makes no difference if it involves moving quickly. I probably haven't done it or a ball." Um, and I go, "No, no, Jason, I don't think you understand. Like, I if you add something that's uh like." Making crafts or like we're all like painting and drawing, then Owen will have to take the lessons and I'll be the one.
Okay.
Because I watch when I watch stuff where it's featuring somebody painting or drawing or sculpting, I do what you do when you're watching sports not being done correctly. Which is not is that right? I get really irritated. I'm like nobody paints like that. Is that include Bob Ross?
He was painting, like talking around. He's a real painter. Pretty little. He was a real painter. What are you trying to say?
Oh, oh! I didn't mean to slander Bob Ross. Wow! I'm just. I guess that's too soon.
Sadly, my too soon. That's sadly the the depth I have in terms of painting on television. You know, like I don't know. You know anything out of that?
So I'm I'm out of my league on that front.
Okay, all right. But I don't mean it. I'll text you next time. I see a bad one. Ray Sehorn here on the Rich Eisen show.
Everybody check out Stick. That again premieres Wednesday, November fourth on on Apple TV. It just to combine your your two latest shows. When I play golf, yep, I would not mind being part of a hive where I can get every single golfer. That's on planet Earth.
Have those skills. Have those skills in me. In you, like in pleuribus. I would not mind being that.
So, and plus, I'm always happy. Right.
Right.
Okay.
I don't want to be an individual. I would like being in a hive. When you would want to be in the hive, or just when for golfing. That's it. Just for golfing, because I'm always cursing at myself.
Okay, and I'm not good. I would love to have the world's expertise at golf within me. But other than that, I'm 100 rooting for your character to maintain okay individuality on planet. But you also have to keep in mind, and I know you had Caroline on here. Yes, so awesome when we were trying to figure out the croquet playing croquet, which we had to learn.
The idea is that you have all the muscle memory and the skills, but your physical body is still yours.
So, if there was something like, I don't know, golf well enough to know, like, like. You, you, you can't. We wouldn't be able to. I wouldn't be able to throw a football like a pro quarterback just because I have his skills in me because my body strength. Damn it!
So you are saying if I am part of the golf hive, okay? Hold on, I think I am getting here. You are saying I am part of the golf hive, and I have Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus's skills within my. I still would suck at it because of my physical attributes. It depends.
I don't know what your physical attributes are. They're not good. They're not good. Okay, well then they're not good at all. But we're kind of hitting on what I think is the.
One of the many brilliant things about Pleuribus is I made a joke about wanting to be part of a hive, and you thought that was a window into the way I thought. Yeah, you know, because again, and I don't know if that's something because if you believe in what your character is doing in the show, or that is truly your belief that you want, you are the one of the last human beings on the planet that it's fighting for individuality. I would definitely fight for individuality, right, and I would too. That's what I'm rooting for, but there are some people that could kind of you know. I'm surprised by the number of people that are like, no, I would just join.
Why? Yes, I'm like, what? You get that too, right? Yes, watching. Yes, because I get that just having these conversations at like dinner parties and stuff like that.
So, is is that what you think this show is about? A struggle between Individualism and the collective. I think it is one thing that the show is about. I think the show is about a lot of things. And Vince and I had a great time on the press junkets when it was coming out because people wanted to talk about what they think the show is about and what kind of conversations it's engendering and enabling with them and their friends.
And I mean, there was a woman that thought. She said, "So the show, the whole show, is just a metaphor for grief, right?" And I said, "Well, I'm sorry." She's like, "You know, like when you are really, really deep in the throes of grief, and you feel like you're down a well, and everybody that's telling you to cheer up and move on might as well be a foreign species, and you can't understand them." Wow, like, okay, sure, but it's the kind of thing where Vince and I just—it's just yes and. It's about all of that stuff. I do think he's definitely asking big questions about individuality. What does it mean to be an individual, to have independent thought, but while you're still part of a community, and we still owe some something to civilization in order to make it work.
Which often it doesn't, and it's breaking down. But like, what what is the sacrifice, and you know, a lot of big, big questions.
Well, I mean, the last time you were on here was just after Better Call Saul ended, right, and you said. There's a new show that Vince Gilligan is doing, and I'm going to do it. Yeah, I'm in it, and which was was known at the time. You weren't breaking any news here, right? But you couldn't reveal what it was about.
No. And so, what were the conversation? I imagine it was like an immediate yes when Vince is like, "I got something for you, right?" Yes, of course. Like I had no idea. It wouldn't have mattered if I if he was like, "I want you to play a park bench." I would be like, "All right, let's the call time." Exactly.
But how did he describe it to you? He didn't. He when he called and said I wrote something for you. He said I don't want to describe it. I don't want to pitch it, but I'm not ready to send you the script.
I just want you to read the script when I'm ready. And I said okay. And he's like, you can wait to say yes till you read it. I said no, it's fine. Just yes.
He reserved you is basically what he was doing. Yes. Yes, is that what he was doing? Yes, and he actually had told many people that work on the show that as well, which I didn't know because I would occasionally ask my other writers and directors from the show who I loved, like you know, just I hope we get to work again and work together again, and you know, whatever you are working on, I'd love to be a part of it. And they were like, sure, and I was like, oops, this is the end of Better Call Saul, yeah.
So he had already let folks on the set, yes. But I did not know they knew something you did not know. Correct.
Okay, and so how did?
So then he eventually.
So then I just read the script, and I pretty much had the same experience. I am imagining a lot of viewers of the show did, where I was like, "What is happening? This is bananas. I don't understand." And then for a long time, I didn't have the second script, and I couldn't figure out where are we going. Am I just going to sit in my house for?
Really long periods of time. Partially, that's true, but but it just got more and more interesting. And the questions that he kept raising—I mean, like our crew and our cast would stay up sometimes, you know, going into the wee hours and really like question a lot of things, like what would you do? What would you do? I know it was a very cringy moment for everybody with the brilliant Jeff Hiller when she has that scene where she finds out that her wife thought her writing was just it was okay, right?
Kind of a hack, you know. Everyone was like, "It's like everyone's worst nightmare." If you're in the arts or any kind of subjective field, absolutely, you know. But that's always been Vince Gilligan's shows about what would you do. I think so. Like, what would you do if you're a chemistry teacher given, you know, a diagnosis right where you're going to die?
Right.
What do you do? Right.
Well, not many people would say I'll become a drug lord. Right.
You know what I mean. But that happened. And then what happens when you know you're married to that person? You find out. What do you do then?
Right.
What do you do then if you're the brother-in-law who's a cop, trying to put this guy away? Right.
Exactly. And then obviously in Better Call Saul, what do you do when you know you are you know the the less successful brother? Right.
Right.
And what do you do with your character? He and Peter Gould said they started with the question of what. What is the question? If the answer is become Saul Goodman, does that make sense? Like what happened in your life that it would be solved by becoming Saul Goodman?
And so that's how they started going backwards and unraveling that. The number of times I would watch your character in that show, and I'm like, she's smarter than this guy. She's better than this guy, but yet you know, at the end of the day, the number of times I'm like, walk out the door, sure, and your character does not until the very last minute, right? Like, yeah, but I think we may have even talked about this last time, though. Like, I would, for me, it was very easy to understand.
He, first of all, he is smart in a different way, but he is very smart. She. She thinks he can see her for what she truly is, and she can be herself in front of him. And she sort of has a little bit of a mask and an armor in the whole rest of the outside world. And so, I think that she thought this guy saw her for what she really truly is, and and she saw him for what he truly was.
When did you come to that conclusion as an actress playing this character? Pretty early on, they said they they told us we don't know where it's going. They meaning Vince and Peter was saying we don't know exactly where the relationship's going. This was the pilot. We were shooting the pilot.
We said we just think they met in the mailroom. They both came there from somewhere else, and you're already thinking like, and and have been each other's closest confidant for about ten plus years. We don't know if it ever used to be romantic or it ever will be romantic, but just. Can you guys just make it look like you you're that close for ten years? I was like, sure.
We had one sentence in the pilot. That's it, huh? When we share the cigarette, he says, "Couldn't you, Justin?" I say, "You know, I can't," which I presumed had something to do with he has just done that. You will atone, Ned Beatty speech upstairs. Yeah, from network, right?
And I didn't help. I didn't like do anything about it, and so I presume she was letting him know she will always draw the line when it comes to her work. You will not interfere with my profession. And then that line got blurred though towards the end. Towards the end, yeah, willingly.
Correct.
Like when you see your character willingly let that line get blurred and crossed, right? As well, right? I remember thinking when we had the parking garage scene, and it said he takes a cigarette out of my mouth. Smokes it, then puts it back in my mouth, and it doesn't say I flinch. It doesn't say I say anything.
So that's a type of closeness and intimacy that I was like, okay, then these people really, really know each other well. I'm definitely trying to tell them I have boundaries about work, but then the stage directions said I walk back to the elevator, and I write the trash can that he has kicked. Kicked over that everybody sees earlier, but she doesn't see that I write it, and it says without looking. And I thought, oh, he does this a lot. Number one, and number two, she is used to being around people that keep blowing things up and making messes and taking care of them without even thinking.
So in my head, I was like, I bet she was raised by an addict. And I never said that, but. What is it? Season five. They did this flashback, and my mom's an alcoholic.
Wow! I was like, "There you go." So you made the choice as an actor, yeah? That that this was the backstory, and then at one point they hand you a script where that wasn't fact. A backstory. That's how I always work.
I take the jigsaw because we don't. We only get our scripts one at a time. I have no idea where Pluribus is going. Right now, we better call Saul. Is going no.
I have the first script of season two. Ah, ooh.
Okay, may we see it? I have it right here. There it is. That's interesting. TJ has the script for the entire National Football League season right there.
Oh, there it is. Go figure that. There it is. It just says that.
Now I don't know if that's real. I don't like to share with them because I don't want them to know what's coming. I want them to be surprised.
So you, you partner, Grand Larson, is a very big. First of all, he's a huge fan of your show, but also loves the fantasy football leagues.
So does that like give helpful tips? It can. It does. Things it can. Because I have it, I don't.
The sheet, so I'm losing every game.
So they don't give us.
So you've got the script for season two, so that means principal shootings around the corner. Yes. Okay.
So you do not know where this is. Not a clue.
So all I was saying is that's just how I work. As I, you take the puzzle pieces you have, and then I sort of reverse engineer. Why would somebody behave this way? What what could have caused this behavior? What what would make?
I remember in Better Call Saul, I didn't have, I had almost no contractions. Like, I my my lines would be like, "Do not and will not" instead of "won't and don't." And other people had contractions, and I was going to ask, "Hey, is it okay if I lied these things?" And then I thought, well. First of all, I don't want them to fire me. No, but I did. Like Patrick Fabian and I both are cut from the same cloth.
We were like, I can't believe I'm playing in this sandpit, and I really need to just keep a low profile. Don't be a problem. But I then I was like, well, why don't I just give some thought to what kind of person is that specific with their language, and it is absolutely part of how I just started making Kim. Be as controlled about how she what she lets people know about her, what she lets people know about her real thoughts. I asked about that one about three seasons in, and they were like, "Oh, I didn't realize we did that with the contractions." Is the hairstyle also part of that?
My hair, as Kim Wexler. Ooh, that was Trisha made up. Yeah, you know, like controlled, like always tightly, and eventually it became like a barometer. Of how she was doing.
Okay, we got like super coiled and tight, and then it would like start to fall apart. That was purposeful. All purposeful. There were so many meetings about that ponytail. Are you serious?
So many meetings. No kidding. Yeah, Trishelle made to help design that, and we we had a good time. Oh, there and there you go. I mean, and then if I'm not mistaken, I think I know what this scene is here.
Oh yeah. Speaking of Patrick Fabian, right? Yeah, because screw it. I mean, we're we're already a few years removed from this sort of thing. To me, this is the seminal scene of the whole series.
Would you not agree? Spoiler alert! Spoiler alert! Scene. I guess.
Spoiler alert. Right? Like, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you agree? I was shocked when I read it because it reads as shocking as you saw it.
You know, air how it was acted and performed brilliantly, but it's. Casual conversation, casual not casual. It's heightened. I didn't mean casual story, but you know, you aren't aware that something's coming, and then just I was like, and then Patrick, Fabian, and Bob, Odin Kirk, and I all lived together when we were filming, and Patrick was upstairs, and I was like, you didn't tell me because they would always tell you with respect if you're about to. Not be in the show anymore, and I was like, I can't believe you didn't tell me!
You didn't tell me! And he had been keeping it a secret for multiple episodes, and he didn't tell his wife, the director Mandy Fabian, so she didn't know till she watched the show. Get out! How crazy is that? Come on!
Yeah, my partner was mad at me that I didn't even tell him about the car crash. He almost he freaked out when her car crashes in one of the seasons. Oh my god! Yeah, he didn't tell her.
So we know who is the most shocked viewer of that episode. Yeah, Mandy Fabian. No, isn't that crazy? Yeah, but that—that's where I thought, like, okay, now Kim, you have to go. You gotta go.
You gotta get out of this thing. Like this thing has got to get. And then, well, she does. I know. Although you know, towards the end, though, again at the end, it seems like she still can't quit him.
You know, I know, and that the you know the the justice system broke you up, but we'll see. That scene right there, I mean, fantastic. Ah, yeah, I can't get enough of this show. But before we let you go, let's talk. That was the actual last scene we shot too.
Is that the? That's the little last shot you shot. Yep, yep, yep. It was very. I remember having to think very hard about.
Use the emotions and the inner thoughts that Kim would have here. It can't be Ray saying goodbye to Bob because they they wouldn't behave in the same way. But it was it was hard. They they had press there too, which I totally understand. And normally I try to do whatever I can to you know publicize anything that I'm doing, but.
I had started to speak in an interview, and any time I—it wasn't like I was walking around demanding everybody call me Kim—but if I pulled myself out of it and talked about it objectively, like they were like, "What's it feel like the last day of shooting?" I would just start bawling. I was like, "I'm so sorry, I can't actually do interviews today. I'll do them. I'll do them one more when I wrap." Awesome. Thank you for that story and the backstory.
Because again, we're such big fans of the show. And in terms of Pluribus coming back, you know the the First season was the the first episode is so gripping. Yeah, it's tough to understand. You know, sometimes I had to watch it back twice. To be honest with you, to just catch everything.
The most incredible scene is when they reach out to you through the television set and and and and you call insane. And that that number really, I don't know if it still does. Actually, I don't know if it still does. It does still does. But for a while, like you actually could could speak to the hive through the telephone call number that was on the screen, which is I love that sort of.
Stuff. What is your favorite scene from season one of *Pluribus*? Very hard. I have been asked that before. I find it very hard because, for one reason, is I feel like I shot a nine-hour movie.
I don't even know which. I have a hard time sure even remembering which episodes are which. But I had the whole pilot was like a movie unto itself. And was just incredible to shoot, but I loved the grenade scene with Carolina. I loved the voice translation scene with with Manousos, played by the brilliant Carlos Manuel Vesca, where we are trying to use a phone to translate everything back, and it looks sort of like a crazy, beautiful painting too, with this pink umbrella like out in the desert.
Loved my Vegas stuff with with Diabate played by Samba Shoot, and just the irritation that she was having was she thought she finally had this like major secret to reveal to him, and he's like, "Yeah, I already knew. It's not a big deal." And then the Hive communicates to you through a big Vegas, you know, all of them. And then I loved the scenes the the scenes where I am by myself that we did many of. I'm not by myself. I have like I'm doing this elaborate dance.
Number one with the audience because I understand that in those moments they are my confidant. Yes, that I'm taking them down the rabbit hole and telling them a story. And Vince expects the same amount of storytelling with no dialogue as he does with dialogue. And then I'm also doing this elaborate dance with my incredible crew, most of whom. were all they were all on Better Call Saul as well.
So, I've been working with them what twelve, thirteen years now, and. And we are creating these scenes together, and I just—I never ever feel alone when people are like, "What is it like to walk out there and do it by yourself?" I said, "I'm not—I'm not by myself." Right.
Well, listen—I know awards are great, and you deserve it. Oh, thanks. You're welcome. But that said, awards or not, I mean, this is awesome. You're awesome, and I can't wait to see what season two is.
Really, and I appreciate you—you bringing us in on, you know, process. Backstory and things like that because it's so intricate, so elaborate, and and it's so thought provoking. And I'm rooting for your character.
Okay, I am I am one thousand percent rooting for you to stand your ground.
Okay, and I'm wondering if you do wind up eventually the last person. Don't know to stand your ground as an individual on planet Earth. I don't know.
Okay, are you going to watch Stick though and tell me how you think my golfing is? Of course. You know I watched season one, so I love that show. Yeah, love, love, love. I was so thrilled when they asked me to come.
I'm a massive fan of Owen Wilson's too.
So same.
So yes. Same.
Sorry, I'm sorry. I know you're here to promote Stick and everything like that. No, I wasn't trying to shove it back in. But when I got, I started sweating a little bit when you're like, yeah, when we see people golfing and it doesn't look good. I'm like, no, it's okay.
It's okay. That's when the awards coming. You look at that trophy. I should get the awards for pound sand. You know, no, it's great, and they're and they're all great on it.
We had to be very careful if there's golf carts near Owen because we shot on all these golf courses all in and around L. A. Then he's going to be gone.
Well, just to bring all of that in full circle, not to brag or anything, but when I was on the set of CSI Miami, wow, okay, you know, as I was, I think it was. Quarter. I was playing myself, but interviewer and then reporter. Yeah, but anyway, it was when I was on the set of CSI Miami. Rex would drive around with his own golf cart with the horns of the Texas Longhorns on the front.
So I don't know if he brought that to stick or not. Wow, he did not. He did not. I love him so much. He's awesome.
We had a blast. He's great in this very different role. I don't want to reveal exactly what he's not. He's awesome. And in season two of Stick, that premieres Wednesday, November fourth, on Apple TV with two episodes.
Seahorn, great to see you. Thanks for having me. Welcome here anytime. Ah, thanks, guys. You bet.
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You're. Do I say congratulations to you? Do I say congrats to you? How about them Brewers? Baby, congrats, man.
Win our way. Congrats. Enjoy it. I'm gonna go hire a register on you though and switch it up.
Okay, what are we doing? I think if the Packers get healthy and they find their stride. They can win the NFC Championship.
Okay.
Okay, gentlemen. There you go. Thank you, Dylan. Dylan, that's the way it goes. One team wins in your town, and it suddenly gets contagious.
You know, suddenly gets contagious. Although I think the Jets have been vaccinated for that sort of thing. Giants feeling good. Rich, immunized. Yeah.
Oh, pardon me. Immunized. I forgot to use the term. My bad. It's okay.
Let's go to Ted in Seattle. What's up, Ted? Hey, hey, Rich and the guys out there. How are you doing? What's going on with you, man?
Well, let me tell you about my morning here, Rich. Yes. So I live here in Seattle. And I'm a Bears fan, right?
Okay.
Ever since the game on Sunday, everybody's been telling me, "Oh, look how we made Mahomes look. We're going to make Caleb cry to his mom at halftime." Just laying it on thick, really. Then I get the notification that Quentin Nelson got picked up by the Seahawks, and it just intensified.
So now, what? This morning, I'm sitting at my desk. Yes, sir. Notification pops up on my phone. Yes, it does.
Adam Schefter tells me that we got. Simmons, I had to click on it because obviously I didn't believe it was probably fake. Once I saw it was real, I let out a high pitched scream that would rival Michael Jackson in his prime.
So now what? Have you have you have you clapped back? Are we clapping back, Ted? What are we doing? I went.
I went. I went berserk on everybody that I could see all around me. I actually took a tour of the office. And stop by anybody that was at their desk.
Okay, Jeffrey Simmons. We'll be visiting Sam Darnold on the ground at least five times Monday. Five times—that is an overreaction. Monday subject matter, right there.
Okay, Ted, are you going to the game Monday? You planning on it? Yeah. When I got done doing my my revenge tour, I immediately bought tickets, so I will be there at Lumen Field. This Monday night, and to top this all off, just for for anybody, if you don't mind, Rich, for anybody that's saying that the first round picks that we gave to Tennessee were too high of a price and we should have kept them, if I could say, since 2025, Jeffrey Simmons, in terms of defensive tackle rankings, has ranked first in sacks, first in TFLs, first, tied for first in pressures.
First in pressures after getting double teamed. First in quick pressures. Wow. First in turnovers caused by the pressure. First in sacks on third down.
So he can. The Tennessee can have our. Thank you for coming to this TED talk.
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