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Now 2-1, Cam Hayward back on the program. How are you doing, Cam? I'm good. How are you guys? I'm just here in the conference room of the Pittsburgh Steelers facility.
So I had to check in. That's the old Three Rivers behind you there, huh? That's the old one. Old one did not play there, but I know I'm old. Right?
So many people are like, What was it like playing with me and Joe Green, Cam? You know, yeah, that's wild. And, like, they're, you know, Mike T used to always make a comment. He would say, you know, we're bringing back all your old teammates this week. And it'd be like, Mel Blunt, Joe Green.
And it's like, all right, chill out. Chill out. I like it. And the guest this week for you on your pod, not just football, is Derek Harmon. Yes, sir.
Boy, did he have a big moment to wrap things up? He did. He balled out. You know, balled out. What a great moment for a young guy.
Sack fumble to end the game. We talk about that moment. We talk about his progression as he goes from year one to year two. And I also give him a little bit of crap because he's an Oregon duck.
So, you know, we have a lot of fun there.
Well, that's where champions go. You know what I mean? That's what I heard from his coach. You didn't hear that soundbite from Dan Lanning? Did you hear that one?
That was... That was Comical, funny, it was great, legendary. When you say. If you go to LA or you go to USC and you want to go see a Chris Brown concert, go for that. But if you want to win games and you want to be a champion, you go to Oriental.
I was like, wow, that is spot on. He had that one in his back pocket for hours, you know what I mean? Or probably days, like if things go our way.
So walk me through that moment where Burroughs got the ball. Trying to get down the field, at least tie the game, if not win it. What led to that moment? Take us in the huddle, if you don't mind, Cam. I think the last two drives, we're starting to really settle in, which was crazy because Burrow had been on fire to start the game.
I think he started like 14 for 14. And you felt a little bit like there was a little chink in the armor when they had to spend a timeout to start the series.
So you could feel there was just a little bit of off-timing on their side. And, you know, we created a situation where we were tackling well, keeping in bounds. They had to use another, they had to use their two-minute, and so left with one timeout to go down the field. I think they convert early, and then Derek and Sebastian Joseph Day step in. And Deharm does a really nice move off.
He gets a great jump off. He does a push-pull in the pass rush we talk about. And Joe kind of scrambles and the ball just goes flying out of his hands. And then you see the scrum, you see Sebastian Joseph Day dive on the ball. He told me, and we actually had him on a live recording right after the game, that there was some violation happening.
At the end of that play, that guys were grabbing all over the place. Violations. Is that what we're calling it? We're calling it violations of what? Of the football code or the man code, Cam.
Of the Jewels. I'll say that. The Jewels. It was crazy, though. But we're glad we got the W, glad we got the win.
And, you know, it was nice to take in that moment. And then, you know, seeing the offense click. Obviously, hey, listen, you got to turn your Michigan man to start things off. I was very pleased, as you know, to see Roman Wilson score that first touchdown of the game. But it seemed like whatever was struggling on that side of the ball in New England, that wasn't the case in this game, too.
And I'm sure you saw that from the sideline to start things off, right? Yep. In that one?
Well, like last week when we were on the show together, you were having me talk people off the ledge. And so this is just. A flattering moment for me where I could just say I was right. And our offense was like coming together. And you watch Roman Wilson, you watch Ben Skoronik, you watch DK Metcalf have a really good game, and then Mount Washington, Darnell Washington really coming to play.
That's just. Like I don't know what you say. I guess you would put in the Louvre for all the great plays we had on offense. And Jalen Warren really came to play. I can't say enough good things about our offense, but it just felt like they were on full tilt the entire game.
Yeah. What's it like for you to watch Darnell Washington run the ball and make every other human being whose job it is to stop him make a business decision? What's that like? For you. Selfishly, I'm like, damn, what if I was on that side of the ball, too?
Yeah. But. When I see him deliver hit after hit to defenders, I'm like, these guys are making business decisions. They are saying, like. You know, this isn't for me.
I like to, you know, wrap up. I need a gang tackle here. Where am I D-lineman? Like, this is not something a corner or a linebacker wants to deal with alone. Yeah.
So you're, by the way, have you guys noticed Cam's a little more chipper this week than this week? Have you noticed? Yeah, it's much better than last week. Is the wine tasting better? The food's tasting better.
The sun is shining, right? Like, that's the way it works in the NFL. I had a coffee this morning.
Okay. McCarthy said we could come in a little bit earlier.
So, I mean, we could come in a little bit later. But, yeah, I'm feeling good. We got a game. And so I got to wrap it up a little bit more, a little bit faster this time. Yeah, you got two days, right?
A quick turnaround here, and the team can go three and one if. It's kind of wild. This is a stat. These are facts. The last time you and the Steelers won in Cleveland was 2021.
It's been that long. Cam. It's been a while. What happens in Cleveland? I mean, Ohio's your state, man.
Come on now. Yeah. What happens? It was my state. I get more booze these days.
Okay. Okay. We have not had the best performance on Thursday nights. We have, it's come down to a couple of possessions every single time. It's not a blowout or anything, but.
I just think in those Thursday night games, it comes down to execution, and we have not executed at a high enough level to win those games. Even last year, And I don't think it was a Thursday night game, but it was 13-9, and we just didn't make enough plays. And we just got to clean it, we got to clean it up. I think we're trying to turn a new leaf and get this W on a Thursday and enjoy that long weekend. But we got to be on our P's and Q's this week.
So listen. Being three and one. through four weeks going 2-0. In a short week, that That is exactly what you guys are striving for. Like, I know it's a week-to-week league, and you can only focus on what's in front of you.
But if you focus on what's in front of you and execute 3-1 as you sit back and watch Cincinnati have to host Jacksonville and Baltimore try and hold serve against Tennessee, which has come awfully close every single Well, the last two weeks. You know, but that. That's the good stuff, while you kick back and put your feet up on a Sunday. Camp. Yeah, I would love to walk into this weekend and say AC North figure it out, y'all got to catch us.
But that's not going to be an easy task. We got to take care of our business. After two weeks, my brother, my little brother Corey, not Connor, he was already ready to jump off the bandwagon and say, oh my gosh, the Steelers are the season's over. And now my brother's becoming more of a Raiders fan because the Raiders are 3-0. But it's just, we got to take a week to week.
We can't jump the gun. We just got to lock in and take care of our business. All right.
So because you won, were you more. Open-minded to watching other football games this weekend and Cam a little bit? Yeah, I did. I did. I watched a little bit of the Raiders' game.
I watched, I even watched a little bit of last night's game. I thought You know, Case Keenum putting on a performance shout out, Case. It was really fun to watch him play. But yeah, when you win, you feel like you can check in around the league.
Okay, so then let's talk about that a little bit. Did you watch some of the Sunday night game between the Rams and the Broncos as well? Oh, I caught some clips of that.
Okay, I did catch some clips. All right, so then let's talk about the Monday Night Game. The thing that I saw, and I mentioned at the top of the show cam. That really made me think this is going to be the Bears' night after thinking, yeah, man, third string quarterback, Case Keenum hasn't done it in a while, et cetera, was how present Case was in the moment to realize. Um What an opportunity this was, not just for him and his team.
But in a career where you think It's never going to happen again, potentially, right? He's doing these commercials where he's backing up the trailer, and now here he is starting a Monday night football game, and his kids are there, and his family's there. He just struck me as so present to look around and know this is something to cherish. And that, you know, and something's coming back around again, not to sort of. Uh get a little bit caught in the headlights.
I'm wondering what it's like for you to see something like that after all the years that you've been playing. Woah. I think It really helps having Ben Johnson as a As your head coach, he's going to put you in the right situation. He's going to make you feel comfortable. I know their defense can be suffocating too.
So when you do that and you apply pressure on the Philadelphia Eagles, you're just saying, Case, just play your game. And, you know, when he's kissing his family before you feel like, oh, Case has got that swag back. Case knows how to play in this league. And so he was ready for the moments. He delivered some really great balls and, you know, some timely plays.
I really love the QB sneak. It just lets you know that it was a long one, but it was one of those moments you're like, all right, Case is just playing ball at this point. And he feels comfortable. And can't say enough good things about how Chicago played last night. Yeah, especially, again, you just never know when opportunities are going to come around in this league.
Right?
You got to have a good backup. You really do. And, you know, we're really fortunate to have a guy like Mason Rudolph, but a lot of teams aren't afforded guys who have won games in this league.
So when you can find one, you hold on to them.
Okay. And then, you know, did you see the clip of the pass interference call called on the Rams on Sunday night? Against the Broncos? Did you see that one? Did Lil Dicey?
Lil Dicey. Wa that was that pass interference in your estimation or it wasn't? Mm. I don't think it was pastor parents. I didn't either.
I don't. I don't. You know, there's a couple of calls around the league. You're just like, I don't know if I feel great about those. You know, we had a call in our game versus the Bengals where DK Metcalf has a great block and it's just a seal, and he's inside out.
And the ref throws it from the sideline. That's not even his call to make. And it wipes out an 80-yard run.
So. You know, these flags are a little bit inconsistent right now. It's going to pick up and be more spot on as we get in the season. But man, there's been some critical calls that can cost games, too. And what about the- I don't know if you caught the, I'm just gonna take stabs at you here, whether you saw it or not in clips.
Patrick Mahomes got depleted. Uh in the end zone. And it got called as roughing the passer, even though the The dolphin who sacked him, the body weight did seem to land on him. And I can already tell by your facial expression and your head turn here. I'll give you the floor on what constitutes roughing the passer in this league if you think that wasn't.
I don't think it was. It kind of reminds me of when last year we played Shadora. I kind of got the same penalty. I will say, when I saw that clip, I didn't know if it was AI or not because when I saw it, they put a pillow underneath Penny. No, that was okay.
You saw that one, huh? I saw that one too. That was AI. There was no pillow. There was no pillow.
There's a lot of AI clips going around right now. And I think there might have been a pillow out there. And if you tucked them in, I would have thought it was AI, but it was pretty crazy.
So, but you know, you can't land your full body weight on the. Quarterback, right? I mean, like. Cam. You know you can't it's like You're damned if you, damned if you don't.
Like, if you don't wrap up and he spins out of it, what are you supposed to do? I just think we're. What? There are better calls to be called. And, you know, I don't think you say it's full body weight, but it could be a lot worse.
I'll say that. It was Chop Robinson, and it wasn't his full body weight. As he was going down, he let his arms go, like to indicate to the official: I am not putting my full body weight on him. And they still float. I got your back, Cam.
There's this thing called grab. We're on the same wavelength today. I like it. That was preposterous. I thought there's this thing called gravity, and if your arms are up or down or not, you're still falling down.
So you're not allowed to hit the quarterback. Jalen Hurts still had a foot in bounds last night, gets blown up, and the flag got thrown. What are we doing? Chris, I totally agree with that. I think we struggle so much as an NFL when we let quarterbacks play this little game on the sideline instead of them either getting the ball out quicker or sliding or just throwing the ball out of bounds.
Like they have way too many options, but then if as a defender He can scurry up the sideline. He can make sure he gets a couple extra yards. I think we got to take that out of our game. If they want to get hit, they're going to get hit. Yeah, you can see the first down marker right there.
You could see it right there. And I imagine that's why the hit was delivered. But it all worked out for the Bears in the end because their king tush pusher was in the blue tent when they could have used it, and Dalton threw interception with his one attempt. Seven point swing right there. That was a big one, that's for sure.
But in the end, the Bears look like they have their number, right? I mean, that happened last year, the day after Thanksgiving in Philadelphia. Um and it just happened again where Ben Johnson may just have Vic Fangio's number a little bit here. And as you point out, coaching matters in this league. You know?
Coaching matters. In complimentary football, as much as you can make a big deal about the defense, I don't think the offense played well enough to win that game, too.
So everybody's got to take accountability for wins and losses. And you could see that Philadelphia was in sorts yesterday. All right.
So last one for you, Sports Talk Radio question before I let you go on with your short week, getting ready for the Browns on Thursday night. Outside of your team, obviously. Um, the best team that you've seen in the AFC that you think, okay, down the road. We're going to have to deal with this team and if everything works out for us. To go down the road, you know, and just to throw it out there, the Bills are 3-0.
The Chiefs, the Raiders are 3-0. Jacksonville has had two big wins at home and a game in Denver that didn't go their way. Denver could be as a 2-1 team. Everybody else in your division. Uh is two and one.
Oh which team have you seen In your time, checking it out is one that just leaps out of you.
Okay, we're going to have to deal with that team. It's an arms race right now. There are a lot of good teams. You know, if you look through the 3-0 bunch, I would say the Bills probably. I probably The front runners right now.
I think they had like five turnovers on offense and still were able to win that game with a lot of success.
So But I just think it's really hard to say there's one team that really stands out from the rest besides that. Got it, Cam. Thanks for the time, man. Always appreciate you coming on this show every Tuesday, certainly on a short week. Derek Harmon, the man of the hour for the team that.
wins in Pittsburgh and then also for the team in college That has champions and not Chris Brown fans attending. That's the guest on Not Just Football with Cam Hayward. Thanks for the time, brother. You be well. Appreciate y'all.
Good luck, y'all. That's Cam Hayward, everybody, right here on The Rich Island Show. Just love hanging out with Cam every Tuesday. He's a great, he was definitely in a better mood. Oh, winning just makes you happy.
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There's not enough hockey. Wow. We got to do that hockey. Let's do that hockey. And then they added two more.
Two more weeks to the postseason, too, right? It's 84 games in the postseason as well.
So start growing your beard now. Thank you so much. Hello. I just remember all the ban I think I did Sports Center after Chris Draper with his m jaw wired shut had to shake his friggin' hand. Claude Lemieux, right, may he rest.
Uh all right, let's uh let's uh hit it. Overreaction Monday is sitting in your RSS feeds. You'll listen to it. Over 305,000 views now of the week three edition on our YouTube channel. But we do this as a catch-all on Tuesday because some things happen, like Monday night football games or.
You know? J.J. McCarthy gets traded. That's why we've got Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday, presented by Marriott Bonvoy. That was terrible.
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On a Tuesday. Presented by Marriott Bonvoy. Go for it, Christopher. What do you have over there? I feel like I should rip my shirt off and kind of scream around the locker room next to guys wearing robes for this one.
But Ben Johnson was in his bag last night dialing it up for Case Keenum. And he's the best offensive coach in the NFL right now. There's nothing this guy or his teams can't do.
So, we're just Sean McBay doesn't exist? Kyle Shanahan doesn't exist? They're not as good as this guy at the moment. They're not. Kyle Shanahan is 3-0.
With Guys who are sitting on your waiver wire to pick up, and you won't dare do it because you think. You know, there's no chance that this player is actually going to do anything. And he's 3-0 for back-to-back years in the same situation. Who have they really beaten? Got it.
Says the man who's got an AFC championship banner with that as the fine print from last year. I don't know what you're talking about. Got it. I mean, could they do it with their backup quarterback the way this guy did? Mac Jones did it six times last year.
Okay, then that answers that question. And everybody who's the backup quarterback there gets a job somewhere else, including winning the Super Bowl somewhere else after being somewhere else. I don't mean to denigrate. I mean, you're this is so declarative that it's tough to accept it. Play caller draft.
Who are you taking number one right now, Tuesday, September 29th? Hmm. You gotta consider this guy, that's for sure. Number one overall, Ben Johnson. Uh I'll just You're giving me too much of a.
Andy Reid doesn't exist anymore? Pulling things out of the 1935 blue bonnet bowl that he's using against somebody else to score touchdowns. Which has, as always, key words in this graphic. Right now. Right now.
He's in his bag.
So. I understand there's others, but This This is not an overreaction.
Okay. I can't sit here and say This isn't true, but I had to point out there are others who are pretty damn good at it. What else, Chris? You know, I was watching the game last night, obviously, and there was a moment where they showed the Eagles bench, and it was Jalen Hurts seemingly talking, and Devontae Smith had that thousand-yard stare of a cow. Devontae Smith, guys, he now understands why A.J.
Brown was pissed off all the time. That's that's absurd. It's positively absurd. There is an iceberg in that city. with the Eagles Kelly Green.
And we still don't know. It's kind of amazing. And now A.J. Brown, who admitted he used to plant things out there. Uh is gone.
Come on, man. Everybody, you know, two weeks ago is like Um Drake London is miserable. He wants out of an Atlanta. And then he had 194 yards receiving the next game.
Well, he got his quarterback.
Okay, stop. Stop. Stop. The whole body language thing and. You think Devontae Smith is sitting there going, oh, yeah, A.J.
Brown was right about this guy, by the way, who threw an ass. Absolute dime to me in the second quarter for 30 yards last night. And you know, I don't like giving them props. They do it a little too much. What a throw.
Amazing. That was amazing. Dropped it in. Yeah. Drop come on now, man.
But there is something going on again with the play calling and why Siriani is doing this or what's he doing there and why is Mannion up in the booth and what's going on with Hertz. I already got a text from uh from uh I don't know if he wants it out there. An Eagles fan is like texting me. Is it reasonable for me to panic? Oh.
Was it Boreanis? No, I don't want to say it. It was Boreanis. Boreanis. Boreana.
We didn't talk to you. David Boreanis. Rock profile is coming soon, baby. Oh, that's right. What else, Chris?
This is absurd. That's absurd? Yeah. Okay. What else?
Big trade yesterday in the NFL. McCarthy goes to the Giants. I'm wondering what position you're going to put me in on this one: negative or positive? Which I'm going to do is solid.
Okay. JJ McCarthy is going to finish the year as the second best NFC East quarterback.
So, which one are we slagging on? Hurts or Dak? Dak or Hurts? Who are we slagging on? Who are we slagging on?
Dealers Daniels. Who we slagging on? Whatever you think about it. Jaden Daniels. We're slagging on Jaden Daniels.
We're even slagging on Marcus Mariota. It's like the end of the soprano. Who are we slagging on? Whatever you think happened, it's just like another New Jersey dark screen that it's up to us to read into the interpretation. That's what you're saying?
The end of inception. If you think the top is spinning, sure. Yeah. And soon, oh, this is an overreaction, obviously. I'm rooting for it.
What an opportunity. Going to play. And we'll dive into this opportunity and what it means later on in this show. Because we only sort of scratched the surface a little bit yesterday because we were talking about an entire week three Sunday action in college football, and then this got dropped in our laps. But come on, man.
I'm just wondering if Dak's gonna pull a code a code red. You know, code red. Yeah, hit the back foot, and I don't care what I'm being told by my coach. I'm gonna throw it, I'm gonna throw it to three. Let me tell you, I'm gonna throw it to 88.
I don't care, I don't care what my coaching is, what I've been told to do. Yeah, I, you know, I've been thinking that for the last two hours. You can give grace this time, but if it happens again, baby, you just got to pull it. You got to grip it and like John Daly said. Right.
What are we doing here?
So. Okay. I knew you'd put me in a position. to make it seem like J.J. McCarthy's opportunity will not.
wind up in the best possible manner for him.
So I appreciate that. This is an overreaction. He's going to play. What else? He's going to play.
He's going to be good. Probably so. And I called Detroit. What else could my boy TJ? You know who else is dealing right now?
Susie did too. Here's her. By the way, yes, in the house. She's like, why not J.J. McCarthy?
Well, remember, I said it, and you told me.
Well, she said that in response to my take here is that nobody's giving up quarterback depth in week number three. But that just goes to show you why the Vikings were dumb with him or how much they were. Me and Susie are great minds, and we think Max Brosmer elevated to the 53, and that's not a surprise. Max. Guys, this guy's got everything, but he deserves a few more flowers.
Rich Eisen? Tom Brady deserves his flowers for building the Raiders to this 3-0 star.
Well, the f flowers should be given. To anybody who is involved in it. And, you know, obviously, Spy Tech was his choice. That AI. And, you know.
Spy Tech, a Michigan man with Brady down there in Tampa, and he was the choice. And um Man, Cousins was the right move. Brady's always talking about rookies got to sit too. And if Mendoza is sitting there and learning and taking it in and soaking it in and seeing how it's done and seeing how to prepare and seeing all this stuff. Check every box, man.
So, yeah, anybody who's put this together and decided that this is the way we're going to go. after it didn't work the first time around. deserves the flowers. And if Brady is the is part of it, then he deserves it. You know?
From everybody, Brady, Spy Tech, Kubiak, the scouts, the front office people, Mark Davis, his barber, whoever Tyson's lion, you know, tiger trainer. Yeah, encore, you know what I mean? They get it all. I don't know. Yeah, hey, Brock, Wayne Newton's makeup artist.
Yeah, sure. Who else we got here? Brock Wayne, where else are we going? I know this, but on No Contest Wrestling, I started a new segment where I give people wrestlers their flowers so they can still smell them. I like that.
There you go. Tom Brady. We're full circle. I can't have enough. Here's the deal.
We're going into week four. You know what it is officially? Hot seat season. Oh my god. The temperature under D'Amiko Ryan's office chair has been turned to simmer.
Cool.
So the first three years of his tenure In which they lost in the playoffs. I got it. I understand, but they made the playoffs. They made the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs.
Okay, that's out. We're done. That's cool. We're done. We're finished.
It's cool in the first place. You make it, and then you lose. Give me something. It hasn't looked good. I'll be straight up.
Come on, man. You were supposed to be a Super Bowl favorite and contender this year. Which they can still be. 0-3? They still can.
Yeah, what are the odds that they start years 0-3 back-to-back and make the playoffs and winning playoffs? They're not great. They're not great. Okay. I would have counseled against the Texans for starting this way.
Exactly. I'm just saying, it's not hot. It's not hot. It's turned to simmer. We're just simmer.
We're just getting everything warmed up.
Okay. Overreaction. What else? I will not countenance. It's still too early, so early.
Uh It's so early. Yeah, right?
Someone's getting fired before Halloween. I just want you guys all to prepare. Oh, I'll take that. I'll take the under on that. Just prepare.
I'll take the under on that. Okay. It's 180 million. I'll take the underground right now, Chris. What's the point of doing stuff like that?
What? You just got to prove to the fan base we care. We care so bad that we're going to fire somebody and upend all of this stuff. And then start from scratch. Right, and then get a heads up on who?
Who are we getting a heads up on? Tomlin? Everybody wants to get a heads up on Tomlin. Yes.
Okay. Mike ain't Mike. You know what Tom is not going to do every Sunday? Do you think Tom is going to talk to teams that fire their coaches midseason? He's not.
He has representation.
Okay, right. Save your time. Yeah, thank you, Mike. Good good drop. What else, Chris?
This affects me. I know it affects you, TJ, but with Devin HN lost for the year, the Dolphins are basically on the clock for the 2027 NASA. It's tough to argue then. It's tough to argue that. Did you see the video of Jeff Hafley looking at the sparse audience at his press conference start the week saying, is this all there is?
And somebody's like, it's Heat Media Day. Oof. I'm so mad. That wasn't fun. Hey, listen, he knew what he's signing up for, and so did John Eric Sullivan, and so did everybody in that room, and they know what the drill is here.
It may not, this year may not look good, but. Don't don't read into whether The coach or general manager, like this is an um A referendum on their ability to win football games. No, the roster was pretty bare. I'm just wondering why they didn't trade him in the offseason. Who?
Daychan? Yeah. Well, I mean, he's a. I'm just saying they unloaded Waddle. It's clearly right.
At some point, there are some building blocks and. That's the worst possible way to go about these things. I feel for Malik Willis. Yep. What else?
The athlete promised 40 carries a game. I know. I passed up Ken Walker in fantasy for him, and now I'm done. Thanks, Jeff. And you've left the chat.
That part, Jeff. Chris. Me too. What else? I left with a great gift for Rich, you've got to admit.
Last one. Last one, we talked to Cam just a minute ago. Stewards look good. Rogers is dealing. And Pittsburgh is the best all-around team in the AFC North.
I think that's an overreaction, to be honest with you. Come on now. I mean I know the Ravens needed to pull one out at the very end, and the Bengals did just lose to Pittsburgh. It's still a marathon here. You know, it's still a marathon here and I don't know.
There's still the Cleveland Browns. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out.
Cincinnati hosts Jacksonville. They don't. They don't win.
Okay comes in and does the bang thing to them that they did to you. And they did to Cleveland. Sure.
Okay. Tennessee's been just circling. The winner circle's so close. The bol the Ravens Last time they were in Baltimore, lost in the fourth quarter to the Saints. Let's just throw it out.
Wow. You know what I mean? Like, it would end most survivor players. I mean, I think that's the biggest spread of the week, too. And the Browns beat the Steelers to start the week.
The Browns would be in first place entering week five. Than the AFC North. Crazier things about it. Punk and Mania is just going to rule everything. The Guardians come off their bye week that they've earned with being three, four, five games above 500.
Funkin Maiden. Funkin' Maiden. Yeah, they they welcoming the Pope. In round two, Divisional Series is open. for business.
And the Browns are in first place. Cleveland Center in the Sports Universe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Monk and mania.
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Okay. So, in the middle of everything, the Giants do get another team to trade quarterback depth to them with Jackson Dart. out for the season and Jameis wins to there and they decide not to get another veteran, they go ahead and get a kid. They go ahead and get J. J.
McCarthy. From The Minnesota Vikings, who traded up to get him. only to have him blow out his knee. and then come back the next year and hand the reins to him. After Sam Darnold.
does what he did, And he goes elsewhere and wins a Super Bowl. I bring all this up because when Sam Darnold was beginning to ball out. For the Vikings after McCarthy got hurt, we had Kevin O'Connell on this program, and he had this to say about Sam Darnold's success. After bouncing around the league. And now it's being brought up in regards to him and what happened with the Vikings and J.J.
McCarthy. No guy comes out of college the same these days, how they see the field, what you're gonna try to teach them from a standpoint of your progressions. And I just think, as a whole, there's not enough emphasis put on the organization's role. In the development of the position, meaning I do believe this, Rich, I believe that organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations. And that's not, there's no specific example in my mind that I could give you of a team or a quarterback, but just overall 30,000-foot view, I think it's important to understand.
That every single one of these guys is on a journey, a very difficult journey, that they need the support, they need the teammates around them, they need the systems in place to ultimately try to maximize who they are and what their potential is, because you're still drafting players, Rich, off of potential. And then everything that happens from that moment to when that potential becomes a reality is really on the organization. If you've got the right guy that you're bringing in. And then, in regards to, you know, I do believe there's some times where things just don't work out, and then getting a chance to kind of. You know, wipe the slate clean and get a restart while still using your previous experiences to kind of shape.
You know how you're going to work, why you're going to work, why things are important to you will only make guys better in the end. And I think we've seen some examples of that in our league as well over the last few years. And that was. In reference to Sam Darnold, and now it is J.J. McCarthy who's now elsewhere.
After this organization and he have parted ways, and it was brought up this exact moment, was brought up to Kevin O'Connell. On Monday. Along that line, you had the quote that said organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks for organizations. At the end of the day, you got a guy who was the tenth overall picked and only ended up getting ten starts. How do you kind of reconcile that?
Um You know I would say I would say this: you know, there was a lot of context to that quote first and foremost, and I think a lot of what You know, we put into this and JJ put into it. You know, there was some of that context was involved in that, making sure we were doing everything that we could, you know, under the circumstances. And that's where, to Don's question earlier, you think back on, you know, tried to do the best we could, and there's always going to be reflection on that. I think that's important. But at the same time, I think sometimes things don't work out how you envisioned or how you planned or how you hoped.
And that doesn't change the intent. That doesn't change the work that got put into it by JJ himself and what he's meant within this building since the time we first got him.
So I believe in the collective work that was put in. And I believe in JJ and the intent and the work that he put in. And this is just where we are today. Hmm. Listen, um at the end of the day Yeah.
When you're born into a league and then you wind up going somewhere else, Less than three years later, it's normally because There's been upheaval in the franchise that Drafted you. Instead, Kevin O'Connell won Coach of the Year during that tenure, but with somebody else who they decided to. part ways with or vice versa. And that person went somewhere else to win the Super Bowl. After the kid got hurt to start.
And that's just gonna Upset the flow, or I don't know what happened behind the scenes at all. But I'll just say this: the Vikings, if they didn't believe in J.J. McCarthy anymore, did the right thing by cutting. And running and getting something for him, and by the way, sending him to a spot that wants him. Sending him to a spot that wants him and giving him an opportunity, one would think.
And if there's anybody that knows what this guy can do, it is the brother of the guy who won a national championship with him. John Harbaugh had this to say about acquiring J.J. McCarthy. We've been talking about it for ever since I think Jackson got hurt, that we would need to add quarterback, quarterbacks. That's part of the process.
We've been. Turning over every stone. This was an opportunity that kind of came up. Really glad, really happy, very excited to add. J.J.
McCarthy, I think he's a a strong young quarterback, has some experience in the National Football League, obviously was a very high draft pick, very talented player, and is going to make us a stronger football team.
So excited about it, I think it makes us better. I don't know when he's going to start. I think he's going to, even though they have said Jameis is the starter here. You know that I get that. I mean, Jackson Dart worked all summer long to get this thing right, offensive, new offensive system, and everything.
And that's the damn shame about all this because it looked like he was on it, he got it. Got it. And so, uh, beating Gotti in week one, as a matter of fact, and so, um. It's going to take some time for McCarthy to get up to speed, but man, what an opportunity. He's going to be the quarterback of the New York Football Giants at some point this season.
It's going to happen. I don't know when. He's going to play some meaningful snaps for a team that has some really talented players at his disposal. And it is a massive opportunity for him to revitalize a career that did seem dead in the water. Even though it's very early on in his career, we've already seen so many others.
Darnold being a perfect example of going somewhere else and utilizing an experience from other places to go crush it in a new spot. And McCarthy has that opportunity 100% in front of him. The Rich Eisen Show Podcast. Mm-hmm.
