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Now. On with the show. And Jackson Dark took a shot. This is the Rich Eisen Show. If you get punched in the gut, Ian, are you going down?
Ian O'Connor, are you going down? From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. No one's gonna train anybody from the Giants. Earlier on the show. Old Mist head coach Pete Golding.
Coming up. ESPN college football analyst Chase Daniel. Actor Jonathan Tucker. And now, it's Rich Isa. Hour number two of the Rich Eisen show is on the air.
Great chat with Pete Golding. Hour number one, Jonathan Tucker, the actor, is making his way to our studio in hour number three in support of American Hostage that airs Sundays on MGM. Plus, he's also a die-hard Boston sports fan. Go figure that. That'll be for you, Christopher.
Tucker. That'll be later on in hour number two of this program. Joining us now to kick off hour three. Kick off hour number two is Chase Daniel back here on the Rich Eisen Show. It's good to see you, Chase.
How are you? Chase. Good, man. How are you doing? I'm doing fine.
What's going on? You got the backwards cap. You're all set to go. Looks like the beard's trimmed for week two of week three of the NFL season. Yeah, beard's trimmed.
We're in Conway, South Carolina right now. Flew into Myrtle Beach last night. First time I've ever been there. Landed about midnight all the way from San Diego.
So we're calling the Liberty Coastal Carolina game tonight, prime time ESPN. And I've heard, you know, I've never experienced it, but I've heard it's quite the party here.
So they're completely sold out. Super, super excited about that. I love big-time college football environments on campus, people all jacked up. Pretty cool, man.
So when you see Jameis struggle coming into a game the way that he did. Can we chalk it up to it's just difficult to be ready, to stay ready when you're thrown out there, even though he's been a veteran? I mean, you've been through these wars, Chase. What in the world is it like to be thrown in the middle of a game? And what grace do you think can be afforded from Monday night?
It's never easy doing what backup quarterbacks do. I think it's one of the tougher jobs in all of sports outside of being the starter and having to go because think about the process, Rich. And we sort of talked about this. It's the process through the week of what the backup quarterback does. Jameis Winston took zero reps with the first team offense whatsoever, really since the start of training camp.
I don't even know if he took any with the training camp.
So not only does the offensive line has to get used to this cadence, he doesn't have any throwing reps with the one receivers. And so he was running the scout team, which means you're running the other team's offense. And so you don't get any of those reps. I think with a whole week of practice, He will be better, but Jameis did not look good at all. And there's got to be a certain situation if you're a Giants fan, of like, man, just the hope that we had was so high in this team that all of a sudden, Jackson Dart, you know, out for the year, he gets hurt.
Malik Neighbors sort of messes up his shoulder. There's some other injuries going back there. And, you know, Isaiah likely looks good, but it's just. Teams do this, and they, and I think Jameis is one of the better backup quarterbacks. I'm hopeful he will play well.
But since 2021, Rich, I think 11 quarterbacks on average make it through the season unhurt, unscathed.
So, backup quarterbacks, you know, I'm the backup quarterback fan club right here because I was one for 14 years of my career. You got to find ways to stay ready, even if you're getting scout team reps and you're not actually getting starter reps, but he should be better this week.
Well, you know, the most popular player in football is the backup quarterback, right? And then if he plays bad, which means the only other player in the NFL that's more popular than the backup quarterback is someone else's backup quarterback when yours plays like hot garbage. True. You know what I mean? And so everything in New York conversation, Giants fandom, right here on this program, you know, I'm hearing, hey, let's see if Phillip Rivers is interested.
And Chris, you said lobbing a call to Russell Wilson. He's already in New York for CBS. And, you know, and so. I I I'm I'm I just think that the giants' first order of business, while they may be looking for down the road, They've got to get Jameis. Ready because whoever might come down the road is not going to walk through that door and be inserted right away.
A la Phillip Rivers had to be last year.
So what do you think the Giants plan is? For Jameis. Like, what do they do? Knowing what he does well and what they can do well with him, Chase.
Well, one, I think offensive coordinator Matt Nagy needs to build the entire game plan around what Jameis is good at because it's completely different than what Dart is. And Jameis is better throwing the football in the middle of the field, this play action type stuff. You got to get the run game. I think they're going to give him a week or two. I know all options are on the table, but let's just see how he does with the week of practice.
My short list. For guys that I would love to see in New York, because I do think New York, they have a roster that is really good. If they can stay healthy, obviously, you know, the rest of the season, Jackson Dart is gone. Like, I wouldn't mind calling down to Dallas for Joe Milton. I wouldn't mind getting on the horn for Mac Jones, even though it's going to be a little bit more difficult.
I wouldn't mind getting on the horn for Jimmy Garoppolo. Those are the type of guys that I would call. Joe Milton's a lot easier. I don't think Mac Jones, I mean, I think. Teams understand that letting go of a legitimate backup quarterback is going to be tough.
You'd have to get a high-round pick on that. But Jimmy Dre makes a lot of sense. I just, all options for me. Would be on the table because you, to me, have one of the better rosters in the NFC East and your defense is playing well. You can't let a quarterback injury this early derail your entire season.
And it's just, it's tough to see, man. Chase Daniel here on the Rich Eisen Show getting set to call some college football on ESPN tonight from the great state of South Carolina. Let's talk about Justin Herbert, our neighbors across the way here in El Segundo, California. What have you seen? Because there's a lot of conversation about fingers.
Pointing in the media, not in the building, but a lot of conversation about McDaniels' offense is just not going to work, or Herbert's not ready for it, or they didn't get enough reps, and there's just no way through all this, or all they need is time. Where do you stand on this, Chase?
Well, they're running out of time, Rich, right? They're 0-2. And by the way, they played the Raiders and the Cardinals. I know the Raiders are better than people think, but those are two. And then you look at the gauntlet of the next seven games.
There's a real possibility, and I'm not just being hyperbolic, that they could be three and six. Or two and seven. Through the next seven. I mean, look at the next games at Buffalo, at Seattle, Denver, KC. You got to buy to sort of get healthy.
Rams and Houston and then Baltimore. Like, it does not get any easier. I think when you look at the film offensively, it just looks disconjointed. And I know a lot of discourse over here on social media and everyone about Justin Herbert, and he has not played well whatsoever. Like, he could play better.
There's been a ton of drops. Like, other than if you look at that roster, really on offense and defense, other than Lad McConkie and probably the two tackles, Rashawn Slater, Joe Walt. Who has played well? There just hasn't been a lot of guys around him to play well.
Now, here's the thing that I want to see: I want Justin Herbert to raise his level of play because that's sort of been the whole thing with Herbie. Still hasn't won a playoff game. No one expected them to go 0-2, especially when you have Mike McDaniel, who you're thinking is going to get the run game going, who you're thinking is going to get the play action, and unlocking him under center. It just hasn't gone as planned, and it just gets more difficult. I mean, this is a must.
This is a must-win this week for sure against the Bills, man, as you point out in high mark, and they're coming off of a mini-buy. I mean, stranger things have happened, and you know how teams can bond on a road trip. Which two, uh, two, three, whatever you want to throw out there are teams that you still can't figure out. We started this show with uh Fariel or Fergesi, a new segment that we've literally made up an hour before you went on the air. Um, and so which teams are you just?
Still entering week three, wondering who they really are. I think there's two. One plays tonight, and it's the Green Bay Packers. When you look at the Green Bay Packers, just In the offseason, and you look at what they're building, you look at Jordan Love to me as a guy who's trending up, LaFleur, offensive genius, all this stuff. And all of a sudden, like you got offensive lines, that's hurt.
You have your receiver is hurt. And all of a sudden, this offense is literally the worst in the league, the worst at run. Pass block rate in terms of offensive line, a lot of different moving pieces. And Jordan Love can only do so much. He needs some people around him to really step up.
But I've just been flabbergasted a little bit with just how they've been sequencing plays and just how disconjointed. I know you use that word, but it just, it doesn't look like a lot of things make sense defensively on that side of the ball. Like, I think they're playing really well. I think their defense is going to have to carry them. I think this is a must-win for the Packers, but offensively, more so than that, they got to start hitting plays down the field.
And then, really, the other one. And I know they started 0-3 last year, so I'm not really pushing the panic button as a Houston Texans. Like, I think the quarterback play, specifically C.J. Stroud in Houston, it's taken a step up from last year, but that defense has taken a step down. The run game that they go and get David Montgomery hasn't really panned out to what they want to be.
I just think teams like this, they got to figure out what their identity is. Usually, it takes three or four weeks to do that. Getting in an 0-3 hole would be really difficult to come out of it. I know they did last year, but they got to start winning some football games. I know they will, though.
Yeah, they're like the Chargers. They lost their first two at home, except. The Houston Texans lost to the Bills and the Bengals. Good teams. Right?
Yeah. And the Bengals appear to be ⁇ I know I just went a little higher register there. The Bengals are a team that, for the first time in a long time, we're talking about how their defense is getting them through.
Some of these games so far, Chase. And when they traded for Dexter Lawrence, I'm like, oh, you're trading for a nose guard and a 3-4, like right over. And I'm like, okay, they traded away some good draft capital. I'm thinking, okay, you know, is this going to pay off? Is it not?
And you look at the first two games and the tape on Dexter Lawrence, he's the immovable object. I mean, he is wreaking havoc. And it starts up front because if you can get pressure on the quarterback a lot earlier and you can stop these guys on rundowns, the secondary can sort of sit and wait for that ball to come out a little bit faster.
So I've just been really impressed defensively. I'm glad they got Jamar Chase going. I think he had one or two catches week one, two touchdowns, big touchdowns in Houston. And you really just look at the rest of the schedule. I know we're talking schedule talk, it's only week three.
But man, it's one of the easiest in the NFL. And so, if you can continue to just win these games that you're supposed to, I mean, you're looking at a team that could easily end up 12 and 5, 13 and 4 if you win the games and if you stay healthy, if you keep Joe Burrow upright. Whose film has really blown you away? Mm-hmm.
Well, I mean. Who'd you have? I was watching this show the other day. Who'd you have on the show that said the film for Brock Purdy was outstanding? Yeah, Kurt.
And I love Kurt. He's on his, I would totally agree with that. You watch Purdy play this year, more so than any other year, way more in control. And I know that viral quote went going on the internet about him not being able to see, you know, 40% of the time he throws because he's a little bit shorter guy. The anticipation, the accuracy, the efficiency at which he does it.
And they got weapons. They just signed Brandon Cooks, but Kittle looks good. I mean, you got Kyle Juschek catching corner routes out of the backfield. Mike Evans, you know, I think he's going to be okay. I think he's going to be fine, but like he's completely unlocked that offense because he pulls coverage away from those other guys.
And if you really look at it, CMC hasn't really gotten going yet, but I just think the command, I mean, some of the plays, there were three that I highlighted from that Dolphins game that just really stood out. And like, I don't know how many quarterbacks in the world can make that throw.
So the key for him is staying consistent and also just continuing to make these really timing layered throws that we continue to see out of them. And how about? Let's give Drew Locke a little bit of love here, right? Because the. And listen, it helps to have a massive defense with a coach who can dial it up to help out.
But. The combination of backup quarterback thrown into the mix out of the blue plus new offensive coordinator usually equals disaster. Yeah. It also helps to have the offensive player of the year come out of the gate the way JSN has as well, right? But What do you think about Seattle's opportunity here to go into Washington, D.C.
and take on Mariota and make some hay out of it? What do you think about that? Yeah, look, I'm a big Drew Locke fan, not only because he went to the University of Missouri, M-I-Z, Z-O-U, but the fact is he has always been sort of the steady hand. I really like his demeanor. It's like borderline cocky, but confident.
And I think the reason, Rich, while he is playing so well early in the season is because he played a lot in the preseason. You watch his preseason film. It's not just in practice. It's not just training camp. You're getting actual reps on the field.
And so for him to just sort of understand to have a whole week of practice last week and to go into the Cardinals. And I mean, like you said, JSN is the best or one of the best receivers in the game. Just throw it up to him. He's down there somewhere. I think the thing that I'm most interested about is how much polish he has just running that team while Sam Darnold is gone.
Know if he's going to play again or this year, this week or not. Um, look, saw him out on the practice field yesterday, um, but it's it is. I don't think you understand, and just not you, but just people in general, just how difficult it is: one, to be put in a spot to play right away, like from game one, you hadn't practiced anything, and then to get a whole week and just has kept them afloat all season long. It's been impressive. Baker, Rogers, Drake, May.
And let's throw one more in the mix here about the quarterback you're most concerned about. Let's go with well, I mean, Herbert, you could throw that one in there as well. But Hertz, let's throw Hertz in the mix. Yeah. Which quarterback are you most concerned about?
over the next month. Look, I think the Drake May stuff is fascinating. I do think the film through the first two weeks is a little alarming, but he's got Josh McDaniels. I think they'll figure it out. Herbert, you know, I think they had six or seven drops the first couple of weeks.
I think he's fine. Baker has the weapons. Hertz has been doing it. I guess if I had to pick one, it would be Baker. Right now, I just, I think after that extension, all that talk and everything like that, it just looks like he's pressing a little bit.
But here's the thing, like he's so confident in his ability. And like I watched him on the quarterback show and just really have appreciated the way he's handled a lot of these opportunities. And it'll be good. I mean, I think too, like you talked about Hurts. I've been sort of, you know, loud about him not playing the position really well.
I would say this year, he's been better than advertised. I think the Sean Mannion offense with him has been really good. I think he had nine or seven or nine third down conversions. He's throwing the football a little bit more in the middle of the field. They got him under center a little bit more.
So he's one I think is trending up. I think sometimes as a quarterback, when you have a legitimate number one receiver like you did with AJ Brown, you sort of lock on to him, right? He's gone.
Now I think people around him are stepping up. We really haven't even seen Saquon get going. That offensive line to me is a little. Bit of an issue losing Jeff Stoutland hurts. Um, but yeah, a lot of good quarterback play so far through two weeks in the NFL.
Last one for you. Um the final game of week three. Right here in the Disney family of networks, pal. Case Keenum might get this start. And, you know, he was very complimentary of Ben Johnson.
I don't know if you heard that soundbite, but we've got that for queued up for our audience later on. What do you think, man? I mean, what an opportunity. Guys backing up commercials, you know, and backing up trailers and commercials, thinking like that's the way it's going to go from here on out. And then, boom, Monday night football Against the Philadelphia Eagles for the Chicago Bears and Ben Johnson, what do you think is going through his skull?
I think he's excited to play. I was with him this summer, and him and I are pretty good friends, and just talking about how he hasn't had as much fun playing football that he's had the last few years under Ben Johnson, really in all of his life, including his Houston days. In college, I think, one, it's a big spot for him. I think that Vic Fangio defense, you know, they play a lot of too high safety shows. They're going to present a lot of problems for him.
It's hard when you don't get a lot of reps when you're a third quarterback. He was pretty much a coach helping Caleb, and then all of a sudden, Caleb goes down. Then all of a sudden, Tyson Bajant is in concussion protocol. But if anyone can steady the ship, it's going to be a guy like Case Keenum. You don't have to have him win the game for you.
You got to keep it close. You got to play good defense. You got to run the football. And the Bears, to me, are one of the best running teams in all of football. And so, what better way to protect the third-string quarterback like Case?
He's had a lot of playing time in the NFL. He understands protection checks. He understands run game checks. Maybe you can do a little bit more with the run-game check system that Ben Johnson has. But ultimately, he's going to have to make plays on third down and red zone.
I think that's the biggest thing for him. Take care of the football, get into the flow of things, and you really just got to run the football. All right.
So tonight, Liberty at Coastal Carolina, you're on the call. I look forward to checking you out, pal. Appreciate you guys. Have a good broadcast. Thank you.
Travel safe. That's Chase Daniel, everybody, right here on The Rich Isaac Show, getting set to call. Liberty Flames at Coastal Carolina Chanticlers. Ooh, shanda colours. Right here.
Do you know what a chanticlear is? It's just about that set. Mmm, is it that thing that hangs down from the ceiling? One thing? Yeah.
That's where I was going to go. No, so you got to put wax in your ear so you don't hear them singing. Oh, it's a siren. That's not a siren. I have no idea what a chanting is.
Oh, really? I thought you might have. I have no clue. I have no clue. Oh man, the musical ensemble.
Oh, it's a rope. Hold on a second. Why should I ask Chase? Chase, come back in here. What's it?
I was just loving watching you guys. Yeah, it's a rooster. It's a rooster. Yeah. Yeah.
Chanticleer and a flame. You got a rooster and a flame tonight. They're pretty crazy. You don't usually mix those two things. No, you do not.
Not at all. Head on a swivel. Certainly, since what you're describing in the town, there could be some swing oil to ignite.
So be careful. No doubt. Flames and Chanticleers and swing oil. Be careful. Chanticleers and swearing.
Or tune in. It could be great television. Tune in. This is a fantasy name. Chase, Daniel, everybody.
Thank you so much. See, he's got all the answers. Let's go. All the answers.
Next time we get some time with Chase, I got to ask him if he remembers coming to my birthday party one year.
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About what the Giants should do at quarterback, and none of them are. Stick with Jameis. They paid him all this money, two-year contract. You know, it's funny. Stick with Jameis.
Stick with a guy who can throw for 400 yards. You know. who can run it in, who can, you know, eat W's and entertain and all that business and You know, there's not a window that he doesn't like to throw it into.
Sometimes he gets it in the window and it's a touchdown. You say that, and I put up a poll yesterday. What should the Giants do at quarterback? Yeah. Uh d uh A thousand votes.
So Zach Wilson, 14%. We had a caller to suggest that. Phillip Rivers, 12%. Jimmy G, 23%. Stick with Jameis wins.
51%. See? Stick with Jameis. Wow. Who knew people on X were level-headed?
I have no idea. I would not say they were. Ronnie in Ohio is the latest to chime in with an idea. What do you got, Ronnie? Hey, uh I'm a little starstruck, so bear with me.
You got it, Ronnie. Should we take a breath together, Ronnie? Ronnie, let's take a breath. I'm not going to talk to you. Let's take a look at it.
Tell the Dufo does that. Ronnie, let's take a breath together, okay? Here we go. We're going to breathe in. Breathe in through the nose and out the mouth.
Okay, here we go. Of course. And then let it go.
Okay, we're good.
Now we go. Mason Rudolph, he's a Great guy.
Okay. And he loves Jeopardy.
Okay. Uh I just think the Steelers room is full. They love their guys. And if Aaron Rodgers goes down, what hopefully do have. Uh I mean but I I I hate er, hate'em.
Beat a dead horse, but let's go with the young guy and see what we got. Worst case scenario: the ship tanks, and we get. Our third quarterback in the room at the draft. Ronnie in Ohio. There you go.
I mean, here's the issue, okay? And thanks for the call. Good breathing exercises with Ronnie and Ohio. Um Once again. You go into the season.
With a first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback who is scratching the ceiling of turning 43.
Okay. That means you think you've got the team. to win now. As much as, say, Cameron Hayward would love Will Howard or loved Will Howard because he gave him a national championship run as a quarterback for their mutual alma mater. As much as Jack Sawyer, who would believe in Will Howard, because they won a national championship together, right?
Um It would be tough to say to somebody like Cameron or TJ Watt. Name another veteran. We're going with the kid because we need to see what we're doing right now because we traded away Mason Rudolph in week three to the New York Giants. Unbelievable that Rogers got up after that blind side sack that had the ball rolling on the ground for 40 yards, like a football folly, like an old school NFL films football folly. Only thing missing was Jonathan Winters's.
Sound effects over that highlight. Yeah. He got destroyed.
So. The Steelers are going to go from, we think we can win now, so we're going to get Rodgers back here. And what that means is we're just not going to. lose the requisite amount of games to get a high draft choice in next year's quarterback laden draft. But they're also like, we need to see what we have in Will Howard.
And we need to see what we have in Drew Aller. I think Drew Aller is just going to be someone you stick around with. Will Howard is somebody that you're going to want to see, I think, sooner rather than later, what you have in him. But. You're still going to try and win football games this year with Aaron Rodgers.
Who's not just going to be like, yeah, just sit me so you could see what the future holds. He didn't do this for that. Trading Mason Rudolph thus is just not going to work. And is that any better than? Jameis Winston.
For instance. Yeah. Cause you've got to get Rudolph up to speed. JC in Alabama, you're on the Rich Eisen Show. What's up, JC?
Bellows. Uh My bad is Throlls. It's okay. Everybody's freezing. Hey, JC, by the way, you got a voice for radio, pal.
Yeah, dude. Let it go. I tell you, thank you. You got it. All right, so Just hit me out, Rich.
Okay, JC. The beginning of the show, the Farill and Forgazy. I hope I said it right. You did Farilla for Gaze, yes, sir. Um.
Let me know how insane this might be. I think The Giants might need to have a perfect season like this right now. This could actually be a blessing. What do you mean? It could actually be a blesser.
Okay. If they just let Jameis play them into a ho a high draft bit. Or he can play his tail off and get them And keep them playing average, but which we totally doubt. But he could be in, they could end up with a top three pick. And have their team still intact the way it is.
Now you just draft Jeremiah. And you add him on the other side of neighbors. And I'm not a Giants fan. This is the Ravens, so I care less if they're going to win or lose. But I just think it's a good idea if you're going to have any type of plan.
By the way, I like the way that you're thinking, JC, and by that I mean this, that you call in with a Barry White voice and go higher register for a team that you don't root for is really just some next level rich eyes and show viewing or listening. That's well done. You would have had the time to call Dorn to win a loss. From Alabama calling and no less about a Giants team you don't root for. You got a deep voice radio and you go higher register to make a point because it's a higher register Thursday.
That is excellent fandom. is all I'm going to say to you, Jason. Thank you for that. You better call back. Listen, uh I mean, to the to the merits of what he's saying, Could you imagine Washington and the Giants now suddenly have high draft choices in a quarterback-laden draft?
Let's make a deal.
Well His point is: there is a generationally brilliant player. At the wide receiver position, just nestled amongst all of these. Supposedly, sure fire can't miss. Gotta try it. Quarterback.
Prospects in next year's draft in Washington, D.C. And Yeto. That would be quite interesting. That'll be quite interesting because if you're the Giants and you're sitting there at the top of the draft, let's just say this thing bottoms out, unfortunately, and you're top five. And you're top five in a draft that Also as Jeremiah Smith.
Do you take Jeremiah Smith for Jackson Dart and say, let's go to work? Do you take another quarterback and say Amen. Jackson. Meet Josh Rosen. Yeah, I might trade Dart and take The Manning.
Let's run it back. You would take Arch over Jackson Dart. Think so. Don Harbaugh didn't draft. I know that, but you saw what the kid looked like in just one game.
Just the one game. You saw what he looked like. There's some TV. You're now going to have three more years of contractual control of Jackson Dart.
Well, you reset you got five with Dutch Manning. Understood. But you're back to square one. Or do you have, as he pointed out, Jeremiah Smith.
Now listen, I have really enjoyed Trolling on my Ohio State, part of the Ohio State friends. You know. Boy, this guy can't miss. He's so good. He's better than most ever.
He's better than we've ever had. He's better than anybody that's in the NFL right now. Everything I heard about Marv Jr. Who I'm still waiting on.
Okay, good point. That said. I can safely attest this kid is the real. Yeah. As JSN and Olave are killing it.
Right. And Garrett Wilson. That would be this is something that I didn't see coming. I thought, let's see what Dart looks like in John Harbaugh's system, and then let's see if they can actually make the playoffs and make a run. And then we get put into this situation.
It's terrible. It's awful. But I think Jameis is going to be somewhere in between this conversation and wow, it all worked out anyway. For them to make the playoffs. I think it's going to be somewhere in between, which is what Giants fans are fearing the most.
Fearing the most. Yeah, you don't want to be eight and nine.
Well, I mean, now you're in the middle of everything and you're You're you you haven't really accomplished much other than getting John Harbaugh settled. You know, or you can find out other players are the keepers. Yeah. Damn, what a bummer this whole thing is. It is just not cool.
Giant. Cowboy fan over there is shrugging. Of course, don't want to see anyone get hurt though, obviously. But you're not shedding any tears. I mean, look, I got my own problems.
Let's take a break. We come back and The charges across the street, Justin Herbert. Had an interesting sound bite that a lot of people. are talking about because it's a sal bite. He doesn't usually give those.
No, I know. I was saying this morning, I don't know if I know what he sounds like. 8-442-04-Rich, more of your phone calls. Jonathan Tucker. He's going to be joining us in hour three.
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What's with Trayvion Henderson not being the lead back there? I think they trust Ramondre. But he put the ball on the ground and then they benched him. Travion goes, rips one off for 40 yards. I still think it's a past the protection issue with Trayvion.
Is that what it is? And they just trust Ramondre to pick up blitzes and know what he's doing.
Well, that would make sense. Again, Marsha would tell me all the time. You know, Peyton Manning. Uh when Marshall, you know, um Peyton Manning was a rookie when Marshall was just leaving Indianapolis. and even as a rookie.
Um it was apparent. Peyton Manning, if you are not going to be able to pass protect on third down. He didn't want you on the field. That's just it. Yeah, I think the stat that I saw that's probably the most concerning last year, you know.
Kerr Warner said deep balls looked like handoffs. And so he had four interceptions all season on throws over 15 yards for the whole year last season. Crazy stat. He already has four picks of those in the first two games on passes over 15 yards. The deep ball is just not there, whether he's not stepping into it or he's under throwing guys or he's just not seeing them open like he did last year.
I don't know what it is, but that's kind of been the most alarming thing because Drake May was such a home run hitter. Maybe Kayshawn Booty, maybe they shouldn't have traded him in the first place. We're not anticipating an injury.
So to A.J. Brown, that to me as a fan is like, we can't get any explosive plays downfield. That was the thing that really opened up the offense last year.
Well, I mean, Trayvion could be a way through. He's a difference maker, certainly with A.J. Brown out still, right? And by the way, you know, being able to pass protect is why Zeke had such a massive rookie season because he's a terrific runner, obviously. But he didn't come off the field because he could pass protect.
That was always my argument for him, like three-down back. He never comes off the field for good reason. He would lay linebackers. He was out. That is correct.
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Okay. Okay, gets a lot of crap. Did you know this is a Jalen Hurts Stan show? And one of the things Hertz gets a lot of crap for is when he speaks at the podium in press availabilities. He doesn't say very much.
He doesn't give her very much. And that to me, that's a superpower of his, certainly in Philadelphia, that if there is a brush fire, it doesn't turn into a fully involved building. Doesn't add any fuel to the fire. Right across the state, remember Big Ben used to have his radio show? Oh man.
Yep. Right? Just saying. Whatever is simmering on a Monday got in a full-blown boil after this Tuesday radio appearance. It was kind of for a while on our show, we had a listen to it.
It was fun, right? Yeah, it was fun. But I bring all of this up to say that Justin Herbert. Out here in Los Angeles. you know, under the radar quite a bit.
As the Chargers starting quarterback. He doesn't say anything either very much. He doesn't give you very much from the podium. Like, you kinda like need to knock on a door and go, Hello. And like, what are you really, like, what are you really thinking?
You're right. Hello. But here's an exchange that occurred at his media availability on Wednesday. That I'm flagging because we see there's this, there's a flash here, man. And I guess it's an 0-2 home start where everyone's wondering if you're.
If you are part of the problem rather than a solution, which has never been part of Justin Herbert's career. Um In the regular season, I see the look you're giving me, Chris. Year seven, too. Right. That's got it.
Um. This is of note. Hit it. The speech is like kind of useless. Is it more important to just stay in the meeting room and But you kind of been saying, get to the work, get to the tape.
Instead of trying to talk out, I guess, what hasn't gone right? Is that what you're getting at when you say, like, The vocal leadership is now. needed to like increase um or you know addressed in that way. I just I guess I'm just kind of confused as to what you refer to as vocal leadership. Yeah.
Sometimes when we have this kind of start, I can only do Micro and the team was expected to So a lot of it. Players going other players to talk things out.
Sometimes that that helps, you know, guys that I think that happens regardless. I think our team is so close, and so I don't think there's a lack of vocal leadership at all.
So I think I'm going to stop you right there and say that it's very present. We've got great leadership on this team, and I trust those guys in that locker room. And so I don't think anyone is panicked or worried because that's not going to do us any good. It's moving on to the next play and understand that we're close, we've made mistakes, how do we fix them? And how do we move on?
That's of note, a back and forth, a question to the questioner: like, what do you mean by vocal leadership? And again, Um That's part and parcel of you we don't see Justin Herbert. On the sideline breathing fire. A lot. As a matter of fact, the takeaway a lot of people had from this past game of a shot of seeing him on the sideline was just a thousand-yard stare.
Into the distance, not locking eyes with his new offensive coordinator and Mike McDaniel trying to talk with him. Um or it's talking them up. We always look at body language, and we always. Yeah, we don't know what was being said. We have no idea.
Right? It didn't look good.
Well, I mean The world is going a crap around him. And, you know, I don't know if this is an attaboy or his coaching point or whatever. We're going to figure this thing out, we're going to get this thing done. We, you know. Any lack of belief in the system.
Like we're always pouring into a void. a conspiracy theory or something negative. He's tuning out his guy. True. Or he could just be like sitting there going, I can't believe we're 0-2 right now.
And he needs to be alone in his thoughts, which, by the way, I don't blame him. But he's normally quiet on the sideline, not breathing fire, and he's normally not giving you anything in a press conference.
So even Jim was asked about how vocal is Justin Herbert. Yeah. a quiet guy and this is the exchange here. Justin, since I've got here, since I've been with Justin, there's not a thing I'd change about Justin. Yeah, you uh The way you said that was was not correct.
I wouldn't change a thing about Justin. And that's since I got here. And that ru that's par for the course. You know? This is what happens when you go into unexpectedly at home against two opponents that were in top three on the clock just a few months ago.
That's what happens. You're like, okay, is Justin doing anything? Is there any pulse in there or not? You know? And again, I think it is patently unfair that the number of times I see the moment where Madison Beer is, you know.
playing with his hair during A training camp lunch. As if he's no longer with it. I think is Off To say the least. That was the moment the season ended.
Okay, that's off. I'm not the only one who pointed that out, by the way. By the way, spouses are allowed to show up, you know. At the workplace, and have a moment. Come on now.
That's the only one I've ever seen running her hands through the hair.
So, what? All right.
They're in love with each other. Right. And then you're 0-2. You got to bear the brunt of criticism. But those two things are mutually exclusive.
I believe. Chris, your spouse visits you at work sometimes. No, rub his hair.
Well, that's the part he's having.
Well, he doesn't have it. That's rubbing my head in between overreactions. Listen, that would be weird. Oh, Chris. That would be weird.
It's not like they were doing a seven-on-seven around him and he's sitting on the ground. You know what I mean? Like, come on. I don't know. It looked weird at the time, and now you're 0-2, and it's like, hey, man, is this part of something bigger?
It is not. What I'm saying that is part of something bigger is Justin Herbert's got to dig deep, and this is the week to do it. For him to maybe show up in Highmark Stadium. It's huge. They could.
In the building where Josh Allen has already laid down a marker. For his new fan, for the new stadium, and also two weeks where he's laid down a marker of he's a clubhouse MVP leader for him to go all the way across the country. and start lighting it up. And maybe using his legs like Josh Allen. Let's get him running.
He's just as big and just as elusive. Let's get him in the run game plan. Certainly, since the one that's leading it put one on the ground again on Sunday. Let's put more of the game plan on him. And then He's in that look-in-the-mirror moment.
Here. This would be a massive W. Calm down everything and come up with a win in Western New York, a big time, by the way, Conference W. You're already now owing one in conference. Going 1-0 on the road, and it's because Justin Herbert did what he did.
Run it with him. Multiple problems. Give the defense multiple problems. Right now, the defense has given multiple problems to the Chargers. Flip the script, and you got the QB to do it.
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