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And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number three: the Rich Rising Show is on the air. Deshaun Jackson's waiting in the wings to join us in person. But normally we just spend the top of hour three catching up on what you missed the first two hours. But we must reject with those formalities because we've got a future Hall of Fame running back joining us right here on the program from the Baltimore Ravens.
Always great to say hello to our friend Derek Henry. How are you, Derek? Chris, what's going on? How are y'all doing? I'm doing fine.
Listen, Derek, I always shoot you straight. I never lie to you. I'll be honest. I saw you sit down. Looks like you let yourself go.
I might have, Rich.
Sorry.
Sorry, just the point. No, I mean, I'm just, I mean, just, I don't know what you've been up to. Working out? Working out lately, Derek? You've been working out lately?
Here and there, here and there. Apparently it's not up to your standard, so I gotta. Oh, listen, look at me. I'm just, you could see me here. You know what I mean?
You look great. You look great, man. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to live up to the mug. You're just trying.
You're trying to live up to a heck of a lot more. Um, how are you feeling entering week 11 uh year 11, Derek? For you? Feel good. Feel good.
Feel like it's year one. Is that right? Feel great.
Okay. How is it there in Baltimore with the new HC, Jesse Minner? Yeah. Maybe it's been fun. And um Break getting it on, building that chemistry with the whole offense.
Uh, every day, just going out there getting better, shooting for a standard that Dex wants us to represent.
So, it's been a lot of fun. Are you referring to the new offensive coordinator, Declan Doyle? Is what you're saying?
Okay, what can you allow? Is that head coach? There's an OC. No, I'm just talking about, I was just talking about the new uh uh HC, the new, yeah, Jesse. Oh, Jesse, Jesse, yeah, it's been fun with Jesse for sure.
Um. This helped him trying to build a culture that he wants the Ravens to represent and foundation that he wants. It to be here and guys who are leaders stepping up, going after it every day: offense, defense, special teams. Disturb uh The the football stuff. And getting better every day.
It's been a lot of fun. And we're excited to head into Indianapolis and go against a good team. How is it a different set of eyes with Jesse Minter than with John Harbaugh? How has it been different, Derek? I mean, every coach has different ways that they do stuff, different philosophies, things they like, things they don't like.
And that's all Jesse has been trying to do is you know, implement things that he wants us to do and what he sees works best. Communicate that to us and go out there and shoot for it every day. Listen, and I know, Derek, questions like the one that I just asked can be interpreted in any answer that you're denigrating or not being complimentary of John Harbaugh in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to determine how, for Ravens fans, it could be different, right? That Jesse Minter.
Is now there and implementing something that could lead to better results in the long run. Derek. Are you saying like I'm trying to get like your Trying to see what you are trying to... Implement like how is it going to be different from hardware? Yeah.
How is it different? How has it been different? And do you think it could lead to different results at the end of the day? Uh I mean Where we do stuff with Jesse is different than Harbaugh. You know, I can't really put a prediction on.
You know what the You know what it's going to look like. I know what we want it to look like, but we got to go do it.
So I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, we're going to do this, or say we're going to do that, or this and that. But I mean, we're just trying to work towards.
something special and continue to work. Towards that each and every week, you know, that we Go out there. And now we're in week one, so we got to put on display everything that we've been working towards and all the work we put in. Cause just from my perspective Jesse and Marlon. Yeah.
Because, I mean, just from my perspective, I never saw Harbaugh drop MM. You know, at a team function. I never saw that before. Oh, you were talking about, I'm like, you talking about football. Yeah, now that was different.
That was, that was a lot of fun. Yeah, I mean, if that was the case, you could have been like, what was Jesse's performance like towards Harbaugh? And I'd have been like, I've never seen Harbaugh perform. But Jesse went out there and like he was on 8 Mile and just killed the M ⁇ M song. Yeah.
That was different. I saw that for sure. Um and what what can you tell um the public, if you will? How the offense might be different with Declan Doyle. How the office might be different with Declan?
Mm-hmm. I think it's a different scheme. I ain't gonna give. No, I didn't give too much. It's a different scheme.
Everybody's been been loving it. Trying to perfect it the best way we can. We've got new guys in who's come in and did a great job and the guys that's been here. Just trying to continue to uh continue to get better. And um, no, we're just excited, man, excited to go out there and play some football.
We've been in training camp for the last month and a half, so finally get to do the real thing and um and play against a different team. When they count, so just excited to get ready to go do that.
Now, do you? I've been speaking to you for years now. My gosh, 10 years in the league. And I you know, I know the way you operate. Um you know on the field.
And I'm just wondering, in between your temples, Do you have a chip on your shoulder? You're going to turn 33 at the end of the year, and you're like, that is just the number I am here to lay down. A marker. For the entire running back group that hits the age of 30, that there is a Hall of Fame way of doing things. after that age.
Do you have that mindset in any way, shape or form, Derek? I don't really try. I don't really think about the age thing, really. I just think just trying to set a standard and be better than I was the year before, no matter what age.
So I feel like, I mean, that's just the stigma.
So, I mean, that comes with the territory, but. Others I want to figure out how can I be better. than I was the year before, the game before, or whatever it is. and keep no playing at a high level um Each time I step on the field.
Well, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I did the math because I'm a professional, Derek. I ta trust me, I never leave math to my guests. I never want to leave that to anybody. 843 yards from you this year would leave you sixth all-time on the all-time rushing list. Ahead of Curtis Martin.
You'd pass Eric Dickerson, Jerome Bettis, Ladanian Tomlinson, and Curtis Martin. They're all in the Hall of Fame. That would if you Um nail that. Um you would also If you come up with the same number of yards as last year, You would be just three hundred and five yards behind Adrian Peterson, who's up for a selection in the Hall of Fame. For fifth.
Are you thinking is it possible? to go chase down Emmett. At the end of the day. Derrick Henry. No, I mean I'm not really like thinking like oh that Let's go get an image, but um I mean, if it happens, it happens, but it's not like something that I'm like shooting for.
For me to even be like in the conversation that names you just mentioned is crazy to me.
So, I mean, that's just so. Cool to be in the same conversation with those names and be able to. Had that mark of passing some of the legends that played the game, but like the Emmy thing, I mean, I'm not shooting for it. I mean, I don't see myself stopping no time soon, but. I mean, nobody if it happens.
That'll be remarkable, but if they don't, then Hey, I'm still happy. Hey, and if you do again, if you finish your season with the same number of yards as last year, and then you get the same number of average yards per year for your career. You would be three seasons of playing away from passing Emmett Smith. That's real, Derek. I mean, you know, and is that something you could even envision as we're sitting here?
Right now? I mean, I hold myself so high as 10 or so. Yeah, I mean, I ain't. I never say, no, it's not possible. I think, you know, working and You know, keep playing at a high level, then anything can happen for sure.
What would it mean last before I g leave you to go to the season? What it means to win a trophy and bring it to Baltimore with Lamar. and the first year head coach and everybody this year, Derek. It doesn't mean everything. I might cry the rest of the year if it happens.
I might just tear up every time. I think about it. But it's possible, right? You guys feel that? In the last two years.
For sure. For sure. Just why? Why do you feel that way? I mean, I feel like we got the guys to to go and do it.
When it came close in 23, 24, we lost in the vision around. Missed the playoffs last year with so much expectation. We got to get it done. We only got got so long and you know So it's time. Then we all feel that we all know we can do it, get it right there, and get it done.
So you might lose yourself? If that happened. See what I did. See what I did? I won't lose myself.
I'll just be in like, oh, I just. I don't know. See, Mitter's not the one. My problem should give you a hug just because we had a conversation and it actually happened. You don't just hug it up.
Derek, great to chat with you. Have a great game in Indianapolis and a great season. I always loved our chats, and I appreciate it. Oh, yeah. I appreciate you, Rich.
I got to say something, Rich. You already showed me love, man. I got a lot of love for you, bro. Right back at you. Right back at you.
The diminisher, Derek Henry. Right here on the Rich Eisen Show, getting set for another season in the NFL. There he goes. Oh, he's getting up. He looks great.
Yeah, I don't know why you're trying to body shame him in the beginning. Do you just call me stupid fucking way? Yeah, he's I guess. I say that about what. That's a compliment.
Yeah. I'll take that. Yeah. From Susie, not accomplished. From Derek, I'll take it.
When said like that, I say that elder time to you sometimes, you'll say something funny. I'll be like, stupid. Hey, man. I get it. Could you imagine, just real quick.
Ravens fans can. Lamar in the Super Bowl. In Los Angeles, Derrick Henry in the Super Bowl.
Okay. Running downhill. And that is Donald and Garrett. That's fun. You know, Lamar versus Stafford.
As the quarterbacks. Mm-mm-mm-mm. That would be some possibilities for Enlightenment. Drake May can't make it every year, so cool. Good one.
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So Ralph was able to make it, you know. And it's now again streaming Thursday, September 24th on Prime Video. Our radio audience has returned Disney Plus ESPN app. ESPN Radio Serious XM. We just saw a clip from Go Deep, the Deshaun Jackson story, a new documentary that premieres on Prime Video exclusively September 24th.
Deshaun Jackson is here in studio, and we'll get to your coaching in a second. But we just saw that clip, man, and I was wondering because you're from Long Beach Polly, when am I going to see Snoop in it? I saw Snoop in it. But I also, you know, obviously this footage goes back to when you're a baby, a kid. For sure.
And your brother was capturing all the video as he's doing right now to my left. He's still doing. He still ain't stopped. He still ain't stopped. We got a lot to follow up with.
I feel like everybody's like, okay, well, this film obviously went to the end of my career. But now, you know, he's still been filming with football, too.
So it's like, what's next?
So we got a lot up our sleeves for sure.
Well, and there's so much memory lane stuff to hit. But one of the people that I saw and His voice is unmistakable. It's Jim Brown. Jim Brown, for sure. What was that sequence?
Where was that, Deshaun? That was unbelievable. I actually had an opportunity to have a great relationship with Jim Brown. He used to call me up to his house. He was doing a lot of gang interventions in LA and kind of growing up just hanging around the wrong people, doing some of the wrong things.
I remember my dad called Jim Brown one day and he's like, Yeah, Deshaun's hanging out with these. You know, gang members, and he's doing things he probably shouldn't be doing. And Jim called me up to his house, and he just was being real. He was open. He was like, Man, I do gang interventions, I talk to these people.
He said, Man, that's only two places you're gonna end up: either end up dead or in jail.
So he was able to kind of. Tunnel me in the right way, but It's temptation growing up in Los Angeles, California, drug abuse, violence. I mean, it's just a lot.
So that's kind of all I knew. But I still had people around me to kind of like steer me in the right direction.
So he did a great job of helping me out with that. Did it sink in? It did for sure. I did. I mean, at the end of the day, I still had to hit my head a lot.
You know, I was able to get information. But as a young kid, like, you know, I have kids now. You tell your kids what to do, what not to do. And you know, kids still going to sometimes do the things you tell them not to do.
So for me, it did sink in, but it was a lot of things, you know, I had to obviously find out on my own as well.
So what did you find out? Just sometimes the crowd, the type of people you have around you, sometimes they may not have the best interest for yourself. Um it's kind of hard to be able to be this This mogul or this Collegiate NFL player, and you keeping the company around you. There's some people maybe not be doing the right things, and you know, they're getting in trouble in the streets, maybe you know. Still in Violins, it's just a lot of things that I had around me that I didn't really understand.
I just thought, you know, they were my friends, and I didn't understand. I didn't know how to separate it.
So it took some hearts, some heartaches, or some hard conversations to say, you know, sometimes I may not be able to be around you guys because this image is going to, you know, hold me down. Did you, when did you finally unhook yourself from that world? Probably like midway through my career, maybe like my seventh, eighth season. In the NFL. Yeah, in the NFL.
So through Long Beach Polly. Yeah, for the Beach Beach. Through Cal. Yeah. Berkeley.
Yeah. Through Cal Berkeley. Still. And I think. Even like after people, a lot of people talk about 2013 when Chip Kelly released me from the Eagles.
I think that was an eye-opener for me. Obviously, I never got in trouble. You know, I never been arrested. I never did nothing crazy. But some people that was around me, you know, had encounters and went to jail and fight murder cases.
And these are people that I was like friends with since I was young.
So I didn't know how to just turn my back on them. You know, I'm like, I was there to help. And I just think like that was an eye-opener for me when I got released from the Eagles.
So it was like. You know, maybe I shouldn't have showed the Instagram post or people hanging out and doing certain things. It was just like it was just too much information that I felt like I was showing.
Well, again, I I just remember when you came in the league, I remember your career as well, Deshaun, and I remember Um you know, when we first started Talking about you with Chip Kelly, there was a full conversation about you not. know in the full playbook that you didn't know You know, outside of just what type of receiver, you didn't know the X, Y, and the Z. You didn't know routes. You didn't know that stuff. Was that a fair?
I think it had points in being because, like being a receiver, sometimes you don't really have to know the whole offense, but in Chip Kelly's offense, He had plays where one play you could flip. Like, if it was to the right, you would have to know the right side.
Now, that same play could be called to the left, and that puts me in a different position.
So, it's like me having to learn two different positions.
So, I never really had to learn that until I got into his offense.
So, I mean, I think it played a part and you know, some things I didn't know, and I had to like study extra, you know.
So, I think somewhat of a play that played. Do you think you would have been a first-rounder if it wasn't for potentially what you've been referring to over the last few minutes? I think, you know, just the crowd, obviously, my dad, family-oriented. I mean, they all win it. Like, it was a clip in the documentary.
My dad said, why wouldn't his dad want me to win the Heisman? Like, you know, I think he was crucified for wanting me to be so successful. And, like, as a father, you want your kids to do right, you know?
So I think just really the people around me, like, everybody poured into me. They wanted the best for me.
So I think sometimes that came off as too aggressive. And, you know, for Jeff Tefford, who we kind of. Got over our heartaches of our relationships. My dad really had a bad relationship with him towards the end. We were able to move past it, but I think the documentary shows the temptation that everybody wanted the best for me.
And sometimes that wasn't the best sake for the team at the time.
So I think that played a big part because everybody wanted me to go to the NFL. We're going to do three years. We're out. We're going to the NFL. And like, you know, I think Coach Toach Teffer was like, You know, it was a little too much for him at the time.
What was your draft like night? Again, I know this is all part of the documentary, and it's all been. Documented again by your brother, who was a director, right? And he's training his camera on you ever since he basically came out of the womb. Definitely.
But what was draft night like for you? Ah man, that draft draft night was hard. I think being projected anywhere from 15th to the end of the first round and then sitting back that year was very unique 'cause there was no players I mean no wide receivers took it in the first round that year, which I don't think probably ever happened.
So Not anymore. I know, right? Yes, a lot of electrified receivers.
So for me, it was hard because it was one of those things where I kind of knew that my grade was a first-round pick. And I know I was smaller. I didn't really weigh as much. And then the characteristics of like saying, oh, he wasn't a team player. He was selfish.
Or he didn't work as hard as he could have worked. I think all that mounted up to, and then they said my dad was a problem. I think it was some talks that got back from Tefford to Coach Reed. Just to sit back, and the first thing I hear after I they say you're drafting me is, I don't want to have to deal with your dad like that, that was hurtful. Like, that definitely was hurtful.
What was it like with Reid? What was Coach Reid like? Fran coach, Coach Reed was a father figure to me. He understood he was from California, so he knew the temptations, he knew the different ways I was being pulled, and coming my upbringing and stuff like that.
So he was able to say, Man, look, I know you're going through stuff home. I know you got a lot of people pulling on you. They want this, they want that. But at the end of the day, when you come here and you're on this football field, you got to be focused all on football. But It was just something different about Coach Reed because he understood.
And I think, you know, he's like a second father to me for sure. Yeah. And what was he like for you when you lost your dad? He was there. I mean, he definitely played a big part.
Cause I didn't, like, when I lost my dad, I was like, me losing my backbone. I didn't have that voice to stray me back from when I wanted to go do the knucklehead stuff. And Coach Reed was one of those guys. He was understanding, but at the same time, he made me feel. Like, I can go to him and talk.
Like, you know, it was things that I was going through at home, losing friends, you know, people going to jail, you know, going to jail for life and for murder.
So it was hard for me, man. Like, I was straying from different positions. And being a professional athlete, I tell people all the time, you got to be locked in because the NFL is hard. Like, being a professional athlete, you got to work hard, you got practices, you got meetings. Like, it's hard.
So if you're one foot in, one foot out, man, you could definitely be, you know, drawn down the wrong strings. Best quarterback you ever played with is. Can you tell me? Who you think I would say first? And then I'm gonna get who would you say first?
Yeah, who do you think? I don't know who you would say first, but you you you gotta put Vic in the equation. Yeah, Vic's my all time favorite. I think yeah, some of the plays that me and Vic have done together, obviously I Don Donovan McNabb is up there as well too. But yeah, I would say Vic for sure, honey.
Well, Vic put everyone in the Hall of Fame that first night, right? Against Washington. Everyone's 80-yard bomb, first play of the game, man. LeBron Andrew was talking all that stuff before the game. Was he really?
He told me he was going to kill me. I'm like, man, this is when football is like you're talking like I'm a human being. Like, I get it. You know, some of them dudes, man, some of them stuff is said on the field, but like, I think it was very personal. He was like, I'm going to hit you so hard, I'm going to kill you.
I said, damn, what? I went in the locker room. I said, Andy, I said, Marty Morning, I said, go on and dial it up. Because that play wasn't caught at first. But all that happened before the game.
I said, yeah, dial that play up for the game. Bombs over back. Bombs over. Did you say something to him after that? Yeah, for sure.
I said a whole lot to him. I said, man, you better watch what you asked for, man. He's like, he's like, you fast because he tried to dive at me and tackle me like midway through. And I'm looking. I'm saying, oh, yeah, no, this is over.
But if Vic, man, he was one of them guys, like, he threw it so far, but he never overthrew me. Like, he would put enough touch on it. Where he would put it like Rocket run under it. It was some guys that could never, they just thought they just had to throw as far as they could. But I'm like, man, you got to put touch on it.
You got to give me a chance to go run underneath it. And Vic, he was the best doing that. If I told you that night. You're both being coaching in 2020. I would have never predicted that.
I couldn't have told you. There was nothing on God's Earth, Planet's Earth, that I could have told you I'd have been a head coach. Like, me, come on. No, I couldn't have told you that.
Well, I want to dive into that in a couple more minutes here. Go deep the Deshaun Jackson story available for streaming Thursday, September 24th, exclusively on Prime Video. Let's dive into the miracle of the meadowlands, too. Again, I know this is part of the documentary. Yes, sir.
All right. Walk me through. Your moment as you were visual, were you visualizing it? Man, what was happening? You know, it's crazy.
I visualized a lot before I went on the field, like even the night before games, I used to just always visualize, close my eyes, and just think about like me scoring. And I think people don't really, you know, take initiative to how much visualizing plays and sports. And you know, it's crazy. I just left from doing an interview with Victor Cruz, who was on that team.
Okay. And he was like, man, I never got to ask you. And we've been friends for a long time. He's like, I never got to ask you that. But he was like, he was standing like 10 feet away from Coughlin.
He was like, do not, whatever you do, do not kick this ball to him. And Matt Dodge, for some reason, I didn't think he was kicking it to me. I thought he was going to kick it outside the stadium.
So when he kicked it to me, it was just like, I couldn't believe he kicked it to me because I was antagonizing. I'm like, yeah, come on, kick me the ball, like pumping him up. Like I was trying to trick him, like, you know, but at the end of the day it worked to my advantage. And so ball in the air, you're thinking, I cannot believe this ball is coming. I couldn't believe it.
There's nothing in life you could have told me he was going to kick it to me. For 13 seconds, 14 seconds left.
So when he kicked it, It was like a lion drive. Like, I could tell he tried to kick it out of bounds, but he tried so hard it shanked and came right to me. It was like a direct punt to me. You know, when I actually received it, I fumbled. I tell people all the time I did it on purpose.
Because if you see, when I fumbled, it went like two to three yards to the right of me. And, like, if you know, like, punt return and kick return, like, the teams are supposed to be in certain lanes. Like, everybody has a lane you have to be in.
So when I fumbled, it took them out their lane.
So they all shifted two to three yards to the right.
So I stuck my foot, picked it up, stuck my foot in the ground, and just. I tell people, you know, my dad passed away. It was like a year and a half after that, and I just feel like he took me, he grabbed me on wings and just. You know, guided me to the end zone. No kidding.
Real talk. What's it like when you walk around New York City? Oh, they can't stand me. There's two teams that, when you talk about Deshaun Jackson, they can't stand. New York Giants and the Dallas Cowboys.
They like, we cannot stand Deshaun Jackson. But I mean, still to this day, man, people are like, man, you just upset everything that we had going. Like, cause, you know, that year, they was going to go back to the Super Bowl over there, to the playoffs, obviously, can't say Super Bowl. But I think in 09, they won the Super Bowl.
So that was like their second year to go back, and we shattered that.
Well, not to look past you, but the gentleman over your right shoulder, I need to get confirmation. He's a TJ Jefferson who you met before the show. Diehard Dallas Cowboy fan. Can you confirm Sean's Theory? About the Cowboys?
Yeah. Because here's the deal: when Deshaun Watson, who we had to suffer through with the Washington football team and the Iggles, if the man would only have two catches a game, it would against us. They would be two probably 75, 80-yard bombs, and one of them he'd take to the house every single time we played him. It seemed like so. Deshaun Jackson, I really did not like to see you on the other side.
You know, I was going to say, too.
So my all-time record is four catches for 210 yards versus the Cowboys. Four catches, 210 yards. That's crazy. I know it's some crazy statistics that you could probably find, but it's probably like in the 70s or 60s.
So that four catches for 210, that's like unheard of. Yeah, it's an average of over 50 yards a game. Even I could do that math, and I'm more verbal than that. That's me.
So you can confirm, and you can, we're getting confirmation all around. To Washington because you played for them? Yeah, I I I ki I killed them pretty bad too. But it's crazy though. I do I do feel like I get a pass 'cause when Chip Kelly and the Eagles released me, then I went to Washington and I gave the Eagles a handful of BTAs, is they call it real to you know what.
So I feel like it, but it's crazy though, those years, I think three years when I was playing for the Washington. At the time, there were the Redskins. I had like the most yards versus the Eagles. I think I had like over 1400 1500 yards and like. Like four or five games, it's crazy, and I was mad as heck.
I'm like, every time I get a chance to play versus Chip Kelly, I'm like. I can't say what I want to say. That was my thinking. Yeah? That sort of thing against ship, huh?
I used to go to the sideline. I used to see him on the side. I used to be talking all types of crazy. He'll probably, if you ever talk to him, he'll probably tell you, man, what did Deshaun Jackson tell you when he walked by or when he was on the field? I was so mad at that dude.
But you know, you let me learn, you forgive people. But yeah, that was hurtful. Maybe you should schedule Northwestern on your Telaware Stage schedule because that's where he's at right now. That's where he is right now. Coordinating the offense there.
They got a lot more resources than us, though, but I ain't turning down no phase. They resources. I don't think you put on a pedal stool, man. That's kind of far-fetched. But yeah, maybe the next stop.
Let's talk about coaching right now. Who came to you with the idea? And did you need, did you, were you? Were you flattered, surprised? Like, what was your emotion about being offered a coaching game?
Man, so how it came about was actually my first year when I retired after the 2022, 23 season, I sat around for a whole year and didn't do nothing. I took my kids to school, just enjoying the life because I felt like, you know, I deserve that. But after that year, I was like, man, I've been sitting on this couch. I got to get off my butt and go figure something out. You know, my brother at the time was a head coach in high school for 30 plus years.
Travis Clark, who's my assistant head coach and defensive coordinator at Delaware State now. Just got off the couch and I went to go coach for him. That was my first year of coaching. And I just fell in love with it. After the first week, when all these guys were starstruck and all the players, like, oh my God, Deshaun Jackson's coaching me.
Like, I could just see everything I was pouring into him, how much it made a difference. And, you know, I just really fell in love with coaching. And in our first year, or in my first year of coaching, we took a team that's never been to the championship in the first year. We took them over 100 years. We took them to the championship game and we lost in the championship game.
And then literally. And two weeks later, I get a phone call from Delaware State. Hey, um, we're looking for a celebrity, um, big time. NFL retired coach to be a head coach. Deshaun just came up and I was like, nah.
Because you know, all those years playing like in the NFL and college, like I saw how much time my coaches spent at the facility. I'm like, I played 15 years not to retire to go be in the facility for 12, 15 hours a day.
So I was like, nah.
So the first two, three times they asked me, I declined it. Then I called Coach Reed, Sean Manvey, and Deion Sanders. And I was like, man, what do y'all think I would be as a head coach? And they gave me nothing but like positive influence. And I said, you know what?
I'm going to give it a try. And that's how this came about. By the way. Wow. To call Andy Reid.
Sean McVay and Deion Sanders as an ability for you to pick people's brains. That's pretty blessed, don't you think? I mean, it was honestly, I just show the relationship I have with them, and all three of them actually like. Talked to the athletic director and the president of the university, and like basically wrote me like a recommendation letter because they were asking, because I didn't have no experience coaching.
So I had to get something from them. And they all, Basically, gave me nothing but flowers, and it was just appreciative to be able to call them those copyrighted eyes. The caliber of their names just made me feel. Great. I love it because while you were playing, you know, I was working on NFL Network with Prime.
Yes, sir. And You know He would know the game inside and out, obviously. Marshall fought too.
Now they're both coaches. But Dion would, and you saw it, Chris, when you were watching games with him. Oh, yeah. When somebody would make a bonehead move, he would scream, cut him. Cut him.
Right? That's what he would scream to Sean. Yeah. Cut him. Before you're like before he gets back to the huddle.
I would cut him before he gets back to the sideline. Wow. Is what he would say. And then, and then when he starts doing his truth, you know, he starts coaching, you know, in Texas. I'm thinking to myself, all right, that's interesting that somebody that would scream, cut him.
Right. It's coaching now. Right. And look at him now. You, Marshall, Eddie George.
Is Ed Reed doing it? I know he was talking about it. Ed Reed was. I don't know if he took a robot.
So what do you say about people like, oh, well, you're not, you're not paying dues or you're just getting a gig, right? Like, but what do you say about like, because you see it in basketball where players can get a coaching gig, like kind of. Faster than football players. I just think it's really a great opportunity to be able to give guys that have a lot of credibility. And when I say credibility, it just knows the games, the ins and outs from being a player to being able to relate to a player.
You know, you have no disrespect to coaches that hasn't played, but you have coaches that don't know what it's like to take a hit, that don't know what it's like to go on the field and build those relationships and be in positions where you know, like, you know, in this scenario, I might have to do this because. I played the game, and I think for me. That's the relate where I have with my players where I'm able to connect to them and I'm able to get a little more out of them because. I'm telling them things that I know for sure. Like, I did this wrong or I did this right.
Like, you want to go to the NFL, this is what they're looking for.
So, for a player, man, and for me, there were a lot of coaches. And I ain't gonna say names, but like I didn't like, and I didn't. Oh, I think you already said that. But it was ones that I couldn't relate. Just check the tape.
I'll throw a red challenge flag on that one, but keep going. You know, there's just certain coaches that I couldn't relate to, and it was for a reason. But the coaches that I did relate to is because they understood me as a player, as a person. And some things don't have nothing to do with X's and O's. It's just like what you're going through at home.
You know, I may have lost somebody, or I may have. I got a phone call that I'm going through and I'm stressed out, but here it is. I gotta go to work. And some coaches that could read you may know, I may not be able to yell at him today because he just received a phone call. He's going through something at home.
So peel back layers. And it be in this position where I can relate to my players, and I feel like I get more from them because they understand that the things I'm telling them, I'm not just yelling and shouting at you because I want to. Like, I'm doing this for a greater cause. And, um, being able to get or hire coaches that Have been able to go through all different types of walks, and now you're able to motivate. At HBCU, it's just like, I think.
That's where you got to start at. And for me, I'm just blessed to be able to have this opportunity because. And it's not even about going to the NFL. Like, if I can help these kids be fathers, sons, you know, walk across the stage and get a degree, I mean, that's bigger than anything in life, I think. What would your dad say if he just heard you say that?
Man, he would probably be teeth tossing and turning, probably in his in his he's not in the grave 'cause he was cremated. But I think he's proud, man. I I think, you know, just to see everything we went through to meet me being father.
Now, somebody asked me earlier, like, Like how would I feel about my dad and and like It don't, I ain't gonna say it hurts, but like it gives me a sore spot because my kids weren't able to meet him. I just feel like, man, if they would have been able to meet him and You know, how much he would have been able to love. Because my dad was a lover, man. Like, he took so many kids up under his wing that didn't have fathers, and he was always open. Like, you want food?
I'm going to give you food. If you want that heart, that tough love, I'm going to give it to you. And, you know, my dad was one of those guys. That's why I'm so. It was hard for me to say no to people, and it's hard for me to turn my back on people because of that.
So, when you're coaching, have you caught yourself and say that sounds like somebody? Myself. Yes. I'm trying to tell them to not do certain things, and I see myself doing everything they did.
So it's like a two-fold, but I feel like. It's great because now I'm able to say. You know, if I would have done this different, I probably would have had that much more success because I had a successful career, but I still feel like there were a lot of things that I probably didn't get credit for because I I did things my way, and some coaches probably felt like they couldn't control me, or I didn't listen, but You know, looking back at it now, it's like, man, maybe if I would have just listened a little more, maybe if I would have. worked a little harder in working out or lifting weights, but I mean, you can't go back in time, but you can. Tell the youth.
You can tell the up-and-coming future that, like, look, I did this wrong. If you could do this right, just imagine what you could be. All right. Last one for you, Deshaun Jackson. We already heard you love beating the Giants, love beating the Cowboys.
Yes, sir. Okay, and you loved laying it on the Eagles when you were with Washington, who you also laid it on when you were with the Eagles. For sure. I think I got that all. Yeah, you got that right.
Who wins the NFC East this year? Hmm, that's a good question. I only ask those. Wow, it's hard for me. I don't, man.
I can't say the Cowboys, I feel like they have a good team and they've struggled. I mean, he was probably alive when they won the Super Bowl, but he was young. That was a long time ago. That was like in the 90s. Right.
I still remember. It was great. Man, I can't go against my Eagles, man. It's going to be tough. We lost AJ Brown, and you know, Makai Lemon's got to step up.
Well, everyone leaves everything. It hurts his feet. He's a heck of a quarterback. He's a winner, man. People could talk all he wants.
He's a proven winner. I can't say he's more winning percentage. I mean, he probably has. Is he winning percentage more than Dak Prescott right now? You want to look that up, Chris?
Because listen, bottom line is. I just love how Hertz has been betting on himself, right? His whole journey. Is unique as it gets. He loses his gig to Tua, sticks around, still gets Alabama where they need to go before he leaves to Oklahoma.
He does what he puts himself on the Heisman podium there. He gets drafted in Philadelphia. Everyone's wondering why the hell he's there. Then he goes there. And the two biggest games of anybody's lives.
He balled out. He could have been the MVP of the Super Bowl. He lost. No, to Andy Reid. I was going to say that for sure.
You know what I'm saying? Heck of a chance. I mean, they were up in that game. What is with Philadelphia then? It's a tough place.
You know that. Come on. It's a tough place to play. Don't add too full because you know Philadelphia, you got to have thick skin, man. You know, even when you're doing well in a game and you do something wrong in the game, you're going to get booed.
I've never been in a part of a game where you're getting cheered and then you're getting booed in the same sense. It's like, it's like crazy to me. But. I would just say this, man. Like, the Eagles are the Eagles, and I think they're the best team in the NFC East.
I don't think Washington, I don't think the Giants are going to be able to win that. If anything, I would probably say the Cowboys, but I can't say the Cowboys, but that's why I wanted to know the question. Dak is a winner, but guess what? He's not a winner in the playoffs. Yeah, Dak wins 59% of his games.
Jalen Hurts, 69%. Hey, so there you have it. You could say Dallas, though. No, I could. I could, but I'm not, because it's just.
You can't do it. It's just me and my heart. Like, you know, I bleed green. Like, if I was, if you were to cut me right now, you're going to see green coming out of my veins. You know, so your guy, McVay, seems to have the best team.
Would you agree with that? Yeah, man. Yeah, McVay, man, he figured out a way to always do it. But coming back, Aaron Donald, like. That's tough, man.
My husband's Garrett and Aaron Donald like on the same team? Like how are you gonna block that? Like You ain't got enough blocks. You're going to have to be a heavy set formation every time. Pretty much.
It's pretty much. What a pleasure to catch up with you. No, for sure. It's been a while. Can we race?
I want to race you in a 40, man. You think you can beat me right now? Absolutely not. What if I gave you like a 10-yard head start? No, great question.
Great question. Yes. So I run a 30, you run a 40. Yeah. Let's go.
You know, Deion once. Ran as Leon. Remember the Leon Sancastle character that he played for the NFL Network commercials with the Afro and everything like that and the mustache? He once, uh, stride for stride, ran with me doing my 40 backwards. Wow, and then he turned around and beat me for the rest of the way.
And that's backwards. That's crazy. How long ago is that? Oh, gosh, like 10 years ago? 10 years at least?
It's been a while. It's been a while. Yeah, so I run a 30, you run a 40. Let's do this next year for charity. Let's do it.
I will reach out to you. I would love to get you involved. Let's do it. Absolutely. What's your time?
Um, we're out of time. Look at the clock. Oh, we gotta go. Lots to go. Let's get out of here.
We ain't gonna ask that, man. Look at us. I think we can find it if we want to go on Google.
Well, it's called Go Deep. It's a Sean Jackson story. We'll be available again streaming Thursday, September 24th, exclusively on Prime Video. Best of luck to you in Delaware State, sir. Sure, man.
Great to see you. That's Deshaun Jackson right here on the Rich Eisen Show. We're back to the rapid. Oh, there you got the poster right there. You got the poster.
Let's get it, man. Do I look the same? Check it out. Oh, I've got to have you sign that. Leave it here, if you don't mind.
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Getting ready for no contest wrestling. Hey, you're not a tennis guy? You are a tennis guy? You are? Yeah, I mean, I know it'd be on.
Well, it's on.
Okay. Yesterday was one of the greatest days at the U.S. Open I can remember. It had an amazing feel to it. The women's matches were intense, they went deep.
Sabalenka survives, Pagula survives. The Pagula match lasted so long. Shelton, Ben Shelton, and Carlos Alcarez did not get onto the court. They got pushed over two hours. They got out there shortly before 11 p.m.
Eastern. Oh, yeah, I don't like that. And they played a five-setter, an absolute classic. Epic. Um Ben Shelton Is the first American To beat Carlos Alcaraz.
in a major. First time, Carlos Alcarez was 13-0 against Americans in major. competition And he came out and he won that first set in a tiebreak. And then Shelton won the next two. And I'll be honest with you, that's when I hit the sack.
I hit shut eye.
Well, it also looked like Alcarez, you know, this is his first tournament back after missing, you know, more months with the injury. And it looked like he had kind of hit the wall and that, you know, it was kind of Shelton's time and his moment to really take him down. And then. You know, he's the best player of the world for a reason. He's won all those majors for a reason.
Alcarez dipped into the bag, won the next two, and then we get an epic fifth set. 5-5, 6-6, tiebreak goes to the tiebreaker. Man, and Belchelton finally came out on top, serviced, won the last two points to win 10-7. His last serve was 146 miles an hour. Unreal.
At 3:30 in the morning. Spectacular. Spectacular. And then uh w w one of the points, I believe it was in the um In the second set, first set tie break. It was something for the agents.
Unbelievable. Please see the highlights. And the call of. Fowler and McEnroe as great as it gets. And so Ben Shelton is going to be taking on Francis Tiafo.
In the semifinal. Which means An American man an American male of colour. is going to play in the U. S. Open Finals for the first time since Arthur Rash did it in the seventies, and it's going to be in the stadium named after Arthur Rash.
That's awesome. Very cool. It's going to be unreal on Sunday. Friday night, by the way, is when the semifinal is. Ben plays such a violent powerful.
He's almost sitting a buck fifty on his service. It's just I've never really seen somebody play tennis with that type of just. I mean, and he's 6'4, you know, 205. Chiseled. Brittany Rodman's there the whole night, cheering him on.
So great.
So cool. It was just dynamite. 3:33 in the morning is when it ended. Oh, I think all I could think was: Rich really thinks he could get a point off of this. That's what I thought.
Literally, that's the way I was going to finish this segment. I looked at him. I think Alcaraz is as vulnerable as ever. Oh, geez. Just take him to 3:30 in the morning.
I can do that. Oh, yeah, I can do that. Easy, I can do that. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show Podcast. You can watch and listen to The Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app, The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.
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