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Now, on with the show. This is the Rich Eisen Show. With guest host, Bobby Bones. Rich Eisen. He's calling me, that's cool.
From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Earlier on the show. NFL Network Insider Ian Rappaport. Coming up. College Football Insider for the Athletic, Stuart Mandel.
Actor and musician Nick Jonas. And now, sitting in for Rich, it's Bobby Bones. Hey everybody, I'm Bobby. Let's welcome in all my friends here today that are making me look halfway decent. The great Chris Brockman, Chris Hobby.
Hey, Bobby, great to see you, man. And TJ Jefferson, how are you, my friend? I'm great, man. How are you doing? I'm okay.
Uh TJ just told me to say my name more. Oh, Bobby Boom! Bobby Boom! That's right. For everybody that's on the phone, I want to talk to you.
Do not hang out, please. I just want to say that we will come to you in a second. I promise you. Or my name's not Bobby Boo. Bobby Boo!
Thank you. All right, we're going to bring on college football editor-in-chief for the athletic and co-host of The Audible, Stuart Mandel. And college football's back. Yes, this is my favorite. When he posts an article, I am on it.
I'm a subscriber. I get the little thing on my phone that goes, your $6.99 has now been charged. And part of that reason, Stuart, is because of you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me.
I can probably get you a better deal than that. Yes. All right. That's how we ten percent off though, that's 60%. Friends of the program.
Okay, let's talk first of all about the Big Ten and the SEC taking a stand as far as pro players in college. Where does this end up shaking out? Yeah, it's an interesting window into what the college football might look like going forward. If the NCA can't enforce any of its rules, even one that seems so common sense as this, you know, judge after judge after court after court striking them down, maybe we see conferences take it into their own hands. Without getting too into the weeds on legal things, there is.
There is a wide opinion that a conference can make more stringent rules because it's not like, okay, if these guys that were going to play for LSU can't play in the SEC. They do have other options, right? Which is a lot different than the NCA saying you can't play anywhere.
So, do we think this is all going back to court again for the hundredth time? Mm-hmm.
Well, it's hard to keep track of all the different court cases out there. But I think the thing that football has going forward, if they want to keep these NFL players off the field, is the season's about to start. And in fact, the teams that are playing this weekend have to lock in their rosters by Friday. LSU is playing next weekend, so they'd have to lock in theirs by next Friday. And as long as There's motions and appeals and all, like, it might just, the clock might just run out.
Because it is the SEC and the Big Ten that we're seeing right now really draw a line in the sand. Is there a chance that a Mac school or a Sunbelt school could go, hey, all you pro guys, you can come play with us? Yeah, possibly. Right now, that injunction in Louisiana that allowed those guys to be eligible is still in effect. And those guys could, as of now, play college football.
Just can't play it right now in the SEC, Big Ten, and actually the Big 12 put in a similar rule. In fact, The Big 12s extend to all sports, not just football or basketball.
So you had the Big Ten go first. And theirs is specific to the NFL. And then the SEC said, NFL, NBA, WNBA, and the Big 12 said, we'll top that and say, any sport, you can't come back. If you've signed a contract.
So, what if you have, and we can Chris Winky this, what if you've played baseball and you want to come and play football? That, I believe, is still an NCA rule that you're allowed to do that.
So, I don't think there's any reason why the conferences would be against that. You know, I think of Russell Wilson back in the day, played like three years of minor league baseball while also playing college football. And I don't think that's changed.
So, the concern is a football player. who went to the NFL, went through camp, played in preseason games. And by the way, has had access, that means for all these months to best of the best coaching and training, coming back and playing against eighteen year olds. My theory earlier was We need absolute chaos for there to be real change. We flirted with change.
None has actually happened. We've got close to litigation. We saw Sabin testifying. But it's like let all the pros play, let everybody go crazy, and then we will finally actually get what we want. Change because it's going to get so bad.
Poke a hole in my theory, please. Hmm. I mean, first of all, we've already had, right, like pure kids. We had at one point this summer a guy who was going to play for Texas Tech after being caught gambling on his own team.
So, you know, if the case to Congress is help, we're screwed, right? I think we're there. The challenge that the conferences and the NCA have had is that. these bills keep getting close to the getting up for vote. And then because politics is politics, somebody will get in the way and say, well, I'm not voting for this unless you take care of my state or do this pet thing.
And that's why I've always thought It's very unrealistic to think Congress is going to save you. I think at some point they're going to have to acknowledge that, hey, we have to negotiate these things with the players, right? We have to have some form of collective bargaining. But colleges have been avoiding that like the plague to this point, hoping Congress will just step in and say, no, you have the right to make your own rules and you don't have to do that. Another wild theory that I'd love to share with you, if you poke a hole in, is that I say it's not so much NIO money anymore or facilities or even coaches.
To actually win, you need a great local judge to allow you to win. Your thoughts? Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. You know, we have seen that in isolation. I mean, Trinidad Chambliss could win the Heisman, right?
Old Miss, right? He could be the best quarterback in the country this year, and he wasn't supposed to be eligible. You know, he found a judge that was very sympathetic in Mississippi to this medical issue he had in Division II four years ago. And so some of these things are involving kind of peripheral guys. That's involving one of the best players in the country.
So, yes, I think. I mean, I joke that the next frontier is going to be: you don't like a call in the game, you think the refs had it out for you, take that to court. I was reading your latest article where you were talking about the Big Ten and the SEC, basically saying if the NCAA can't control eligibility, we'll just do it ourselves. But do you think this at all leans to what has often been speculated, we'll do it ourselves means we'll just go and start our own super conference type situation? Yeah, there's certainly that notion out there.
I mean, the SEC has really been the one talking the most publicly about trying to just. Do self-governance. I think that a lot of people think that's kind of unrealistic, but they've insisted to this point: no talk of a breakaway. I think some of that's going to be played out on the field. You know, the reality is, and people don't want to necessarily hear this, that the SEC and Big Ten schools are playing in a different tier financially, competitively so far in the college football playoff than most of the ACC and Big 12.
Miami obviously showed they can break through that. And so, if that continues, and like the playoff might get bigger, probably will get bigger, and just continues to be dominated by these two conferences. At some point, do they say, Yeah, we don't really need the other conferences. We can just have our own national championship. What is your expectation for Bill Balichek this season?
Oof. Not good. Not good. I mean, it's been a non-stop soap opera there, obviously. His son, the defensive coordinator, is on medical leave right now, the GM, Mike Lombardi, is being investigated.
They took an interesting approach to roster building, which was in this age of teams getting older and bringing in very experienced portal guys. They went young. And so they're going to trot out there on Saturday. with the second least experienced roster in the country. Which doesn't seem ideal.
And they're also playing a tougher schedule than last year. They went four and eight against a relatively manageable ACC schedule. They're going to have to play Miami and Notre Dame this year and a couple of other pretty notable teams.
So I don't see it being better than 4 and 8, but I'm always happy to be proven wrong. There are a couple things I think about that set new precedents. And the first time a guy ran a four-minute mile after forever. Then everybody ran one. I went Adrian Peterson and tears his ACL and comes back basically a day later.
And everyone now felt like they could get healthier and go quicker. Indiana, Signeti comes in, is really great year one, wins a national title year two. And now I think everybody's comparing whomever they're hiring to is this the next Signetti? Do you think this is now going to be the culture of hiring new coaches and that's the comparison? I think he's a unicorn.
I mean, we may be looking at one of the all-time great coaches, and there aren't a lot of those floating out there. I do think what they showed, though, is the wisdom of. Hiring guys who have won consistently at stop after stop. And it doesn't matter that that was, you know, D3, D2, whatever it may be. UCLA just made a very similar hiring Bob Chesney, who actually followed Kurt Signetti at James Madison and took them to the playoff.
But he, before that, had won at D3 and D2 and FCS. And for me personally, that's more impressive or more indicative of a guy's ability to lead a program at the highest level than Hot defensive coordinator X, or guy who became a group of five coach, had a couple good years, and is already moving up to a power conference school. Indiana's ranked sixth in the first AP poll of this year. At six, is that something Signetti can look at and go, look at the disrespect? Probably.
I mean, he's... As I learned in doing a big story on him this spring, like that's his thing. He will find any sort of snub to go out there and try to kick the team's ass. And yeah, I mean, look, sixth is a lot better than Indiana's ever been in the preseason before. But he has a right to say we finished the season number one and perfect.
And they're saying, yeah, we can't do that again. They're behind two teams in the Big Ten in Ohio State and Oregon that they beat last year, Oregon twice.
So, yeah, I would think he'll use that as motivation. We have Stuart Mandel on with us talking college football. I'd just like to throw a team at you, and you tell me their ceiling and then even a terrible floor. Like, what's the lowest that could happen with a team like Ohio State? I'm assuming the ceiling for them is going to be national championship.
Yes. They have won double-digit games every year since 2012. But if ever they were going to go 9-3, it might be this year when they're playing at Texas, at USC. At Indiana. Oregon at home.
It's a tougher schedule than Ohio State usually plays.
So I can't see it being worse than that. And probably they will continue the streak of ten, eleven, twelve win seasons. But if you're asking like worst case scenario, yeah, nine and three, which by the way, might still get them in the playoff. I do want to go to Oregon next because I think Dan Lettingen has got the reputation of man just hasn't won the big one, but man, his big ones are always like in the Final Four or Ohio State. Like they've been the really, really big ones.
Oregon, are they set up to win it this year? Yeah, I think that's an unfair reputation. I think it's because the last two playoffs, they got blown out by Ohio State and then by Indiana, but they've won a lot of big games there. I think they're set up to possibly win the national championship finally. My concern with them isn't the talent.
They definitely have it. It's losing both coordinators from last season: Intosh Lupoi, who's now at Cal, and Will Stein, who's now at Kentucky. Can Dan Lanning? Plug in the next guys and just keep doing what they've been doing is the big question there. The only other team I want to ask about is Notre Dame because they are stacked.
They have a great roster.
However, they're playing eight high school teams.
So if how many games can they lose in order to not make the playoff?
Well, I think that depends on who they beat. And also, by the way, rule change this year in the playoff. If they finish in the top twelve, they're in. And so that means they would have been in last year even when they got snubbed. One other team, and I only want you to say something bad about them.
Okay, because I hate them so much.
So tell me, I don't want the best case. I want the worst thing you could possibly say about Texas. Like, tell me something that's going to be really bad about the Longhorns. Yeah.
Okay, well There's already been some bad signs. Their all-American left tackle hurt his knee. He'll be back at some point, but he'll be out probably for that Ohio State game. Their linebacker, who wasn't necessarily going to start but has definitely played a lot, got kicked off the team. And then there's rumblings, rumblings.
The arch hasn't looked great in the preseason.
So. It's not that I would say, you know. It's hard to get real information out of preseason camps now, but they're one of the only teams that I've heard kind of everybody else is like, we've got the best team ever. We're bigger, stronger, faster than ever. And that's the only one where I've heard some like whisperings that, hey, we might have some problems.
And I guess the final, final question is: of all the colors of all these teams, why is burnt orange the worst and make you also want to vomit? All right, I guess I don't know the background here. Your school is Arkansas, and it was the first picture they showed on this that showed Arch Manning going through Arkansas. Yeah.
Yeah, it's stupid.
Well, I don't predict many good things for Arkansas this year. I didn't ask. Hey, Stewart, I didn't ask. Hey, Stuart.
Now, one part of me said, please comment in Arkansas. Their worst case scenario is a lot lower than Texas. All right, well, not to really, you know, probably never get invited on here again. I like Front Corp, which I think Texas and UCLA have the best uniforms in college football. Oh, you do.
Who do you think has the best helmet? Oh Uh gosh, I mean, it's got to be either uh Notre Dame or Michigan, and uh I don't know exactly how to break that tie. Man, I got to go with Michigan too, I think. And I'm not a Michigan fan at all. But I don't think we can count.
Like history, because Notre Dame is only cool because Newt Rockne. I mean, Notre Dame is only cool because he's been around for 100 years, right? Or am I crazy? I think for me, it's that the way the gold just like shines so bright. If you've ever been at a Notre Dame game, like it's like you're being blinded by the sun from 300 feet up in the air.
I think I'm going to go with you. I'm going to go with Michigan. You know, those are probably, I mean, if nothing else, those are probably the most recognizable, the most recognizable helmets. Like, we could go to Japan and be like, do you know whose helmet this is? Oh, yeah, it's Michigan.
Who do you think, Chris? I'm inclined to say Notre Dame. Also, there's nothing to it. It's gold. That's the idea.
Your favorite ice cream vanilla. By the way, I don't mind Penn State.
So you dislike history. Yeah, Penn State's is definitely unique. Alabama's is unique with just a little number. But yeah, I think Michigan. TJ?
I'm a Penn State guy. I also love Pitts uniforms. What is happening? Oh, yeah, Pitt's good colors.
So much bias. One final thing here. Are we going to see any sort of rules on NIL anytime soon and what we can spend, how we can spend it? Like more clarity on who's spending what? Absolutely not.
But there was supposed to be rules, right? The house settlement was supposed to be the big solution. Everybody gets the same amount of revenue share, everything else has to go through a clearinghouse. And all that did was like set a new floor.
Now the starting point is 20 million. Two years ago, Ohio State's $20 million roster was the big talk. And now if they had $20 million, they would be in real rough shape. The top end rosters are closer to 50 million at this point. Um Short of some miracle inner Congress intervention, I would think you're going to have at least another year of those costs going up.
You guys follow him, SL Mandel. Also, read his articles. I'm a massive fan. Stuart, thank you so much for being on, and I hope you have a great day. Yeah, thanks for having me.
Texas, Longhorns, Helm. I also don't mind Florida State, USC. Those are just iconic. Also, though, I gotta say, my Oregon ducks, they definitely okay. I feel like iconic shouldn't count.
Those uniforms are amazing. Because a reputation is affecting what you think is that also just looks cool. Only because it's iconic. Really? Yeah, but it got to be iconic.
Like with no bias whatsoever, I'm going to pick Arkansas Razorbacks as the best uniform. No bias whatsoever. That sounds extremely biased to me. It's completely biased. I like the Q's, all orange.
Sick. When the Q's is in the house, you know what I mean? Pumpkinheads, baby. That is cool. And different.
That orange is so cool. Different. Yeah.
I just I don't know how I would say this. I just named something after myself at the University of Arkansas. Yeah, you did. Tee wait. What do you mean, yeah?
No, I'm like pumping you up. Like, yeah, you did. Oh, yeah, I did, yeah.
So, my brother-in-law is the head softball coach at Tulsa, right?
So, I bought the outfield because you can just buy anything and put your name on it now.
So, to help him in recruiting and building facilities, he just took the job. I bought left field and put my name on the left field wall, and it's called the Boneyard if they hit a home run. Of course, it is. And then I donate to the local children's hospital in Tulsa, right? Every home run that's hit, and that's cool.
And so, my school, Arkansas, hits me up and goes, Hey, you're spending money with them. What's up? And so, I don't like our athletic director at Arkansas. I think he's a garbage can.
However, I don't know the coach yet. He's brand new. We've texted a couple times, but I'm always going to be a Razorback fan, no doubt. It's in my blood. I got a tattoo.
And so. Uh breaking news, the Bobby Bones X-ray room. In the football stadium. That's right. It's going to be wow.
Oh, right.
So, when they go in to get their bones checked. See, do you see it now? It makes sense. They were like, give us some money. What do you want to name?
Rick Dalton, Jeff. Right there. Do it. I don't know. You never saw Once Upon Time in Howard.
Once upon time in Hollywood? Leonardo Capri. Oh, the point. Oh, yeah. The pointing.
I didn't know his name. I know that. Yeah, Rick Dalton. You called it Jeff. Interesting.
Gif, Jif, meme. No, you're right. That's how you're supposed to say it. I get told I'm wrong all the time. There it is.
Yeah, yeah, that I'm familiar with. Like that meme, I did not know that was his name. Do you like that movie? Love that movie. You know a movie I watched that was so good?
And I hate horror movies. Ooh, obsession? I c no, I gave it a no rating. But I don't do any horror, so I haven't even seen it. I just know it's like a cult thing.
I don't do horror either. And I watched it and I could respect it 'cause it was written wonderfully. But when I reviewed it, 'cause I'll I'll review movies, I gave it a no. And no. It wasn't for me.
A no. But it was excellent if you're into horror movies. Have you seen the menu? The menu? Yeah, where they go to this restaurant and they're on this island and this super famous chef.
Oh man, it knocked the old socks off and only had one on, and it was amazing. I don't know what review it gets, I hate horror movies. But I watched the menu. It was excellent. A plus, five stars.
Ray Feines, Nicholas. Oh, Ray Feines is the chef. Watch Taylor Joy, John Lay Gazamo. I watched the one with Demi. A lot of good peeps in this movie.
The Demi Moore one, where she's, you guys seen that one? Where she goes back and has to inject herself to be prettier. Whoa. No? That one won all bunch of awards.
Nope. Yeah, she got nominated at the substance. She got nominated for an award. Substance. That one was crazy.
That was all. That's my movie r I I watch like one movie a year. Why? Oh, you got a lot going on. He's too busy.
He has so many jobs. He has a baby. Yeah, baby. That's why I left Rich's best dad ever up. Yeah.
Because today I will be holding that title as best dad ever. You know what we have coming up next hour? Who's that? Nick Jonas. Yes.
Oh, hey. Big fan. I'm a sucker for you. No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys all know that one, do you? I do. Yeah.
Oh, you do? At the Waffle House, baby. All right. Good deal. All right.
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So, hire right the first time with LinkedIn Hiring Pro. Get started by posting a free job at linkton.com/slash Eizen. I'm Bobby Bones. Glad everybody's here. I do want to go over and talk to Dennis in South Carolina.
We were talking about teams that people expect to be bad that might be better than what people expect. Dennis, what do you have? Oh, Dennis. Jay, you want to put Dennis on the horn here? Dennis decided to do it.
Jay's first day back in a while. There he is. Hey, Dennis, start over.
Alright, there. What's up, Dennis? Yes, sir. What do you got? Tell me your team.
It's Bobby Dennis. Tell me your team you think will be better. I think Miami's going to be better. Please tell me why. And the reason why, you know, they won seven games last year with the three Musketeers at quarterback.
Okay. I think and the over-under this year, I believe, is four point five. And I think they got a better offensive line. I think they're going to be a probably a top eight rushing attack, providing they don't get have to come from behind, you know, thirty thirty friggin points every game. But you know, a chain when they interviewed him a couple of months ago.
He says he's sick and tired of hearing people that they're rebuilding for this year.
So I'm going to give them a shot. And I'm going to tell you, they'll probably be in first place after the first week. And I'll tell you, yeah, because I think Buffalo is going to lose if Houston. And I think New England is going to lose its Seattle And not to mention that the Super Bowl loser doesn't even make. the playoffs the following year.
I hope for the NFL's sake the Dolphins are good. I would like to see the Dolphins be good. I don't have any feeling at all about the Dolphins. I think to me, the Dolphins always seem like a team, regardless of when they've been pretty good to terrible. If they play anything below 60 degrees, it just doesn't make sense to them.
It's like they're on a whole new planet. But I hope for your sake that they're better. I don't hate the Dolphins. They just intentionally tore it down. Tua and Tyreek and Jalen Waddell, obviously all gone.
Mike McDaniels, gone. Malik Willis is the quarterback. Yeah, I understand Waddell and stuff. Waddle had one 100-yard game last year on the team. He got six hundred sixty six yards for the whole season and everybody's saying, oh my God, we lost such a fabulous player.
I can't believe it. And Tyreek Hill, he's a non issue last year anyway.
So um I I I think People better watch out because if they got a good running game, and keep the ball away, I think they have a chance.
Well, Dennis, I appreciate the call. Thank you so much. I was looking at Pro Football Focus, and where do you think they rank Miami's receivers? I don't know. Pick a number.
32. If you guessed last, you are correct. And they just have roster holes everywhere on the offensive line. Secondary, pass rush, obviously receiver. They wanna lose, right?
Am I crazy to think they want to lose? You know, it's a rebuild. You know, I don't think they're expecting the moon this season. It's also one of the top-down. Be competitive, play hard.
One of the top five hardest schedules in the NFL, on top of that.
So I liked it. Hey, I like. But like old Dennis there from South Carolina, it's going to be tough for Miami, for sure. I just like pointing out the false narrative that the Super Bowl loser never makes the playoffs the following year because the last time the Patriots lost the Super Bowl in the 2017 season, TJ, what did they do in the 2018 season? I hopefully not won the Super Bowl.
Won the Super Bowl.
So that's one, though. That's one. But it's this specific team. Yeah.
Doing it. Yeah, I hear you. You know what I mean? You get it's gonna be rough for you guys though this year. I will take all bets.
But the bet isn't that you're going to be bad or even have a bad record. I got people telling me they're going to go eight and nine. Like, in what world are the Patriots under 500? That means Drake May's injured. It goes catastrophically bad.
The only reason I would say such a thing, not eight and nine, but I could see nine and eight as a floor. You know this. Like last year, they had the greatest schedule ever because they were so bad the year before. The problem with going to the Super Bowl is you now have to play the hardest schedule. And so now their schedule, we're starting with Seattle.
We got Buffalo. I mean, there's the Bears. The Bears are going to be good. Our Bears. Green Bay is good.
Detroit. The charger's buffalo. Uh Minnesota, okay. I don't know. Kansas City, I just feel like 9-10 games, you should be happy.
Do you feel like you should be happy with 9-10 games winning? If we win 10 games, if the Patriots win 10 games, I will not be happy. Really? Yeah.
Okay. 14 to 3 last year made the Super Bowl. A lot of things fell just right. Just right. Just right.
Perfect. The guy also performed. They also played well. They also, yeah, they overachieved with lesser than position groups across the board. And all of those have improved.
I agree. And you do have a threat, a wide receiver now, like a a real one. A real one. And that's exciting. And a real number, too.
Yeah, it's exciting. Biggest villains in the NFL going into this season. Here's my list at number. Oh, we have a production. Slow down.
One, two, three, four, and five. Bobby Mones. Top five. Let's go. Production value, buddy.
No, don't rush it. Don't rush, baby. You guys got a real picture of me and my shirt off. How'd you get that? That was an actual picture of me shirtless.
Talk to your wife. Wow, look how ripped I am. God, look at that. Jacked, bro. At number five.
I have Nick Siriani. Oh, interesting.
Now, you may ask, I just think he loves being a heel. That's straight up. It's nothing that he's even done recently. Like, Sirianni is one of those guys who is perfect at the he is the Ric Flair of the NFL. Woo-hoo!
Embraces it, loves it. He is who he is. I'm a Siriani as a heel, and I like him because of that. Nick Siriani at number five. Siriani Truther.
At number f you ever met Sirioni? Uh yeah, we had him at the Combine this year. Was it? Roseborough. Yeah, he was there with Big Dom.
I knew Browse. Oh, right.
That's right. I don't like those people, Bobby. I'm going to be honest. I wasn't listening much to that conversation because I was thoroughly enthralled talking to Big Dom for a half hour. And I was thoroughly aggravated watching Brockman talk to Big Dom.
You were. Because you're a Cowboys fan? Oh, and. Got it. He hates the birds.
Make sure we got the intention out there. Number four, Jerry Jones. Wait a second, what? Yeah, yeah. He's my number four on my villain list.
How dare you? Yeah, listen. He's a Razorback. He is the NFL's most permanent heel.
So if Siriani is the heel of the last five years, Jerry Jones is the most permanent heel. That being said, I like Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones took me up in his chopper, showed me around. And yet you have the audacity. I don't think it's bad to be a heel.
I think heels are needed. I think some of my other hills are people I actually like. I mean, look, Rodney Piper was a heel. He was great.
So, good point. Fantastic. I'm going to shut up now. Number four, Jerry. I think people hate Jerry Jones because the Cowboys, they spend a lot of money.
They have a lot of flash. They don't really win. Although, I think this year, I'm not a Cowboys fan, but I think this could be the year. I don't say that because I'm not a Cowboys fan, but I think this could be the year. From your lips to TJ, they hate us because they ain't us, baby.
That's what I'm saying. And number three, Travis Kelsey. Really? Hey, interesting. Exactly.
I would be curious to know why you think I have Travis Kelsey at number three of my NFL heels. Yeah, Bobby, explain yourself. I think I know. Go ahead.
Well, no, maybe not. Never mind. He's too famous. Too famous. Too famous.
Yeah, you can't outgrow everyone. You're too good for everybody. And I don't think he is, but I think the perception is now that he's Taylor Swift's husband. He doesn't need the NFL anymore. He's hosting game shows.
He doesn't need the. He was doing this before that. Not really. Not the same. Yes, he hosted Saturday Night Live.
He was not a married man. He hosted the game show. He was not a married man. He was with Taylor, though. He had his own reality show.
Yeah, when he was at Cincinnati. No, when he was with the Chiefs. Are you talking about the one where he was dating? Yes. Catching Kelsey.
12. I just assumed he was a Cincinnati. I think Travis Kelsey, it's Chiefs fatigue plus celebrity fatigue plus commercials plus Taylor Swift. He's everywhere. It's overexposure.
And I think that makes you a villain. I don't think he's a bad guy. I actually think he'd be pretty fun to hang around with. But I think to most people that aren't Chiefs fans or Taylor Swift fans, he's a villain. He's the number three villain.
I'll argue that. Thank you. Number two. It's a great list. Patrick Mahomes.
Knock. You could have done a two-for-one right here, Bobby Bones. I love Patrick Mahomes. I'd like to say it again before I tell you why he's a villain. I don't think being a villain is a bad guy.
I love Patrick Mahomes, but this is the. You're too good for too long, villain role. Yeah, you know what happens then. Yeah.
People start to hate you. You live, what is it? You, you, you, you're a hero. Yeah, you die the hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a drink. Yeah, whatever that was.
Yeah, yeah, dark matter. Yeah.
So it's basically what happened to Brady. And God forbid they win another championship. It's going to be unlike anything you've ever seen. That's true. Mahomes himself is not particularly Villainous.
He's a likable guy. But people just get tired of Kansas City winning. People don't like winners, Bobby. That's the weird thing. When I walked in today, you guys were like, oh, you're here.
We don't like you. I almost called off today because you're here because Bobby Bones is too much, man. Number one, Andy Reid. I really think Mahomes getting hurt last year, I think, kind of helps the brand a little bit. I could agree with that.
Because now he's sort of an underdog. Which was why he wasn't number one. And number one. Number one is the all-time of the past decade. And it's not even that he's that good anymore.
He'll probably be okay, but he's the most polarizing player. Oh, I think I know who this is. Aaron Rodgers, baby. Aaron Rodgers, the most polarizing player. He's outspoken about everything.
That's that what you had, TJ? No, but you gotta let Bobby. I thought we were all saying it at the same time. Yeah, I mean, people will tune in to watch Aaron Rodgers. I think just hoping he fails, and that's rare.
Sure. That's rare.
Sometimes we just don't like people we watch, but I think people will hope Aaron Rodgers fails. I don't hope Aaron Rodgers fails. I Instead of rooting against somebody that is polarizing that maybe I think I would never hang out with or have dinner with, I root for someone who is 42. Like I just root for the, I like the old version more than I do like the jerk version. Right, right.
I root for old because we're old now. We're old to see other people. Wasn't it a crazy part of life whenever the athletes started to be young, like younger? Yeah.
Like just in general, you start to be 32, 30. Also, Bobby, I feel like sports when we're kids kind of put this... gives us this weird relationship with age, right? Because, you know, back in the days, a quarterback would hit 30 and you'd hear, oh, it's over for them. And then you realize, wait a minute, 30 years old?
And they were considered old? No, man, that's still not even the prime of your life.
So I feel like sports does give us this weird relationship. That's why I thank God for LeBron. He is 53 and going is still hard. As ever. Do you guys root for LeBron?
I do now. The same reason I said Aaron Rodgers? No, he's a Sixer fan. He can't have all these flags. He does!
He is a Sixer fan. Trick that they do where they pull all of the handkerchiefs out of the fan. Yes. That's what he's doing with Jersey. Look at all the banners.
I'm like Gene Gene the Dancing Machine. You've been a Sixer fan for a long time? My whole life. I'm from Pennsylvania. I know my.
My rooting interests are all over the place because I'm not someone who subscribes to the fact that, you know, just because you're born here, you got to root for everyone here.
So I appreciate that. You know, but yeah, Dr. J, as you can see behind me, I have two sports idols. Loved a lot of athletes, but two people idolize: Muhammad Ali and Dr. J.
So, therefore, I've been a Sixer fan forever. And now I am. Totally on board the LeBron James train. If an angel showed up to you tonight and said, Oh, TJ, you have to pick one team forever and only one team. And it's only one team.
And so don't do the thing where you do other teams. What would it be?
Well, can I ask the angels? No, I don't say questions. Sport? No, that's not a press conference, TJ. It can be any team or any sport.
One team in any sport. I'll answer for you, TJ. Go ahead.
It's the Dallas Cowboys.
Okay. Yeah.
Is that a leprechaun? Oh, but now. Yeah, is that a leprechaun angel? Maybe you have one more. I'd like one more, yeah.
Are we in Ireland? Yeah, well, you're right. That's kind of a leprechaun, huh? Yeah, leprechaun vibes there. I was rolling with it.
Oh, that angel leprechaun vibes. It kind of got off track there. I think you can do better. Let him do his thing. Fault, Hathan.
What do you got? One more? Oh, one more? Yeah.
Oh. Oof. The Cowboys and I'd have to say the Sixers.
Okay. What about, okay, it doesn't matter. I'm not asking you. You keep giving me teams. This is working right into what I don't know.
I don't want to ask you anymore. Fifth team, who would you pick?
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I'm Bobby Bones. You can watch us on Disney Plus and the ESPN app. We have calls. And so, teams that, man, pretty much everybody says they're going to suck.
However, you don't think so, I want to go to James. In New Jersey. James. James. What's up, fellas?
Yeah, I'm here. What's up, buddy? Tell me who you think is going to be better. My boy's in New Orleans. The Saints.
Why do you think so? I mean, coming off what we did at the end of last season, putting in the show, he showed out. Shuck, we call him Sho, put putting in show, he showed out. We improved that receiver. We improved that running back.
We still got a decent secondary. we we very much improve with all our receiving core, like our conference is always up for grabs. Yeah, and I said that. Yeah.
They're playing in the NFC South. I think our team of guys here could finish second or third just from the guys in the room. Yeah, and Chuck may be good. What, 5-4 as a starter as a rookie? But you're talking about a guy who played for the Saints.
And 5-4 playing for the Saints as a rookie. Win. That's, yes. That's a win. And you're right.
He has weapons. I mean, Olave, Jordan Tyson, they drafted him top 10. Yeah, but he's a little injured right now. Yeah, but he will not be injured forever. By well Oh, he might be injured for ever.
Well, I mean, he could hurt a lot. Fair enough. Brown from LSU will be the difference maker. Ooh. I agree.
I also want to say Kellen Moore being back year two. Yeah, I agree. I like that.
So I agreed with you. I don't know if you heard me say that earlier. That was my big change. But you're in New Jersey. No, I didn't.
I'm sorry. No, no, it's all right. Who cares what I say? You're in New Jersey as a Saints fan. How'd that happen?
Well, when I was younger, first of all, in New Jersey, you're when I live in southern New Jersey, which is either you're an Eagles fan or you pick who you want. Fair enough. That's what I was thinking in Arkansas. Yeah.
We don't have our own team, so I'll always like the Saints. Favorite. Since the Legion of the Legion of Doom. Since the. Jesus Christ.
Since Jesus Christ. Early 90s, when we had the linebacker core. I can't even remember the nickname at this time. I kind of like Since Jesus Christ. Ricky Jackson.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yes. Ricky Jackson. Favorite saint of all time? Sam Mills, Ricky Jackson.
Yeah, they were nice. You have one? Favorite saint of all time? Favorite what, I'm sorry? Favorite saint of all time.
It got to be true. Yeah, that's got to go with Drew. Got it. I should have. It took us to the promised land.
You're right. You're absolutely right. That's a dumb question. Other than Drew Brees. Deuce McAllister.
Oh, I'm going to go Reggie Bush. Just because I just wanted to watch it. Reggie was fun. I read you was fun. You, Chris?
Favorite saint of all time, man, just for the celebration alone, I love Jimmy Graham. Ah man, he was f amazing, right? Like They had to ban Duncan on the goalpost. When we traded Jeremy Graham, it broke my heart. I'm not going to lie.
Well, I appreciate the call. Thank you so much for calling, James. I did like Deuce McAllister, too. Thinking about some other villains, Bobby. What do you think about this one?
How about the whole Rams team as a whole as an entity?
So, can I give you an outsider perspective? Yeah.
The Rams, they don't really have fans. Wow.
So they're not annoying. Interesting. And so when a fan base isn't annoying, regardless of how good they are.
So the fan base is influencing the villain. It's hard for us to hate them.
Now, if they continue to win, win-win, which again, they were really good. Then they had a couple of little bad, and now they're loaded up, but people, they don't fight for them outwardly and passionately.
So it's hard for us to hate them. I actually root for the Rams. Fair. Yeah.
How's that argument to that? Hmm. Fan bases are who we hate more than teams. That's you're on to something there, I think. You're onto something there.
Okay, all right. What about Tom Brady? Or is he just like. Goofy divorced dad at this point. He's wearing leather pants now.
I've saw, I'm trying to block it out of my mind. You know, and I was going to ask you, you know, he did the thing for Gucci, right? He goes and he models, and I'm all about living your best life. Don't hate that. No, no, I live your best life.
And to me, in my head, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. The guy that focused on his work and made that his priority to be the greatest of all time. We didn't know a lot about him because you know why? There was not a lot to know except the guy played football and he won. Right.
That was my relationship with Tom Brady.
Now he's making out with Instagram influencers and he's wearing leather pants. And it feels like two people. We got to separate the art from the art. Interesting. We have to, or it's going to hurt his image.
It can't hurt his image. Tom Brady to me is the football player. This guy now is like Thomas Bradat or something. This is not Tom Brady to me. Bradaugh.
I can't. I can't have. But he's got multiple personalities because he's also, you know, running the Raiders and he's the broadcaster. That's Tom Brady. That's Tom Brady.
And he's the guy with the giant statue in New England. That's Tom Brady. Thomas Barra and the sales exercise. Thomas Barra at the white parties and stuff is absolutely Thomas. Yeah, Thomas Bradat.
They have to be two, or it tarnishes. That's funny. Yeah, it tarnishes the legacy of the great Tom Brady. He's so good looking, though, it's annoying. He's getting older and better looking.
Money will do that. Yeah.
No, it's not just money. Bobby, we're not ugly. We're just poor. Hold on. I got money, and I ain't that pretty.
You ain't ugly. You're a handsome man, Bobby Bobby. Bobby, we've seen your wife. Mm-hmm.
That is not because of my looks, it's because I'm funny. I got funny. And then I've got a then I got a wife. Women love humor. I'm a solid six and a half.
Don't think I don't know that. Bobby, in Arkansas, you're like a nine. Yeah, you're like a 12.
Now, why are we insulting my state? Out of nowhere? All we're doing is having a little chit-chat. Pigsuy. I'm just saying, I was watching wrestling yesterday and they were in, I think, Scotland.
And MJF came out and he pointed to a girl. He was like, hey, she's perfect here in Scotland, but in the United States, she'd be a four. And then people lost. Yeah, right. And that was rude.
It was very rude. That's pretty rude. Very funny, though. Very funny. I'll just go with very funny.
Do we think Shador is a villain? No. No, what? This Shador doesn't do anything. He didn't do anything.
He's very polarizing. Yeah, but that's not because of him. Yeah, it isn't because of him. The media made us feel about Shador. If you listen to everything this kid says, man, it's like, I agree.
How could you not love him? In college, I could see him being a villain because it was watches and Flash.
Now he's playing in Cleveland and he's just trying to make it. Yeah.
How do we feel about Lamar Jackson? I'm rooting for him. Again, who is Lamar Jackson, buddy? Yeah, I'm rooting for him and his mom's his agent. Like, I love that.
People have issues with him because they feel like he doesn't won a Super Bowl or this, that, and the third. But in reality, no, we're not mad at you. It does feel like we're mad at Chris. We shouldn't attack him like that. We should just say we're sometimes mad at Chris somewhere.
Yeah, not for that one. No, I apologize. LeBron would say Chris is more of a villain than any of the people that we've named to both. Hey, that LeBron said, I was laughing out loud. Just so you know, I was at home.
It was funny. I was laughing out loud. And I've been at the crosshairs to some crazy stuff. I couldn't get enough of it. And I was going to reach out and go, how's your mental health?
He talked about us like three days in a row. Yeah, first repo. It was one of the fanatics and talked about it. Yeah.
I misquoted me, but it's fine. It was joyful.
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