Interview with TNA's AJ Francis / WWE's King & Queen of the Ring & NY's New Champs

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another. Wednesday episode of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. I am the heel that's letter 8, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Hey! KA Petty Guerrema.

Hey, yo. It's me, it's me, it's the Tou O, the J I double G 2 J T J Jefferson. And let me just tell you something, man. I know we are primarily a wrestling podcast, but I know we got a lot of sports fans who watch us, and we'd be remiss if we didn't discuss. What a great week.

Couple weeks in sports, dog, like outside of wrestling that have been going on between the NBA finals, you know, the Stanley Cup final, the World Cup is on fire. There's a lot going on in sports right now. And we got to acknowledge that like it's your tribal chief. Oh, UFC 250.

Some people were opposed to it, some people were for it. You know, I don't want to get into people's feelings on that, but that was a spectacle, too. There was just a lot going on since I last saw you. Bro, let me tell you: all right, number one, just to bring up the point that you just brought up, I was amongst the people who were like, I cannot believe. They are letting this dude do have.

The on the UFC event. on the White House lawn like this. Um if If A Barack Obama. He wore a tan suit, by the way. Did you know that?

But If, you know, it's just if he had a Floyd Mayweather fight on the outside of that long boy, oh man, the world would have shook. Oh, my God. But it was nothing short of spectacular. Oh, my God. Yeah, I get people in their feelings.

And I'm just going to be one of these people like. you know sometimes Not having an opinion is fine. I don't know how I feel because I'm looking at it from both sides. There's some people that are truly upset that this happened at the White House. There are some people who love it.

I honestly got it. I'm just gonna be honest. I don't know how I feel, but I do know watching it. Because I did I did watch because I'm a I'm a fight fan. Visually, it was fantastic.

You know, there was, you know, a lot of stuff I could done without, like, you know, certain social media things or, you know, Bitcoin stuff like that. But, you know, if I'm just going to. talk about the fights and especially the main event. It was something else. And visually, like I said, it was pretty.

Is an amazing visual, and uh, I'll just leave it at that. And there's things that are said, there are people who could definitely, uh, I got two words for it, they could suck it, and he knows who he is. Uh, I don't even want to say that Derek Lewis, you let me down. Not even gonna say his name here on NCW, don't deserve it, but uh. But yeah, so I mean just having to acknowledge that that was...

That was a spectacle, dog. Like, whether you liked it or not, that was a spectacle, and you probably won't see it again.

So, uh, Just you know, we we are wrestling heavy, but we you and I are also sports fans and we also gotta when we get a chance, talk let's talk about, you know, all types of sports and. Yeah, yeah, and I definitely want to bring up WWE S uh Homeboy? Jalen Brunson. The New York Knickerbockers? Look, Jalen Brunson's part of the WWE family.

As you know, a few years ago, he got in the ring. He and L.A. Knight were about to, you know, take on Tyler Halliburton. Or Tyler Halliburton. In my band, the Haliban Tyree.

I don't know why I said Tyler, the Tyrese Halliburton, and Logan Paul, right? And so that was when Brunson was coming off a broken hand, so he couldn't really get into the mix too much. But yeah, you know, in the garden, he showed up and. And They showed up again when it really counted in this NBA Finals, man. Yeah, an older David meet a young Goliath.

Hey, it might be, he might have one down the road. We don't know. Right, right, right. But yeah, that was, everybody knows I love. High energy, and I love, I get a kick out of annoying the hell out of people sometimes.

And that's exactly what the New York Knicks fan base is all about.

So I was extremely happy that they beat a Laker rival in the San Antonio Spurs. Um and I I believe the the term TJ is uh Bing bong. Bing bong. Bing bong. Just a great series by them.

And, you know, Jalen Brunson kind of showed and proved, you know, much like, and I'm drawing a wrestling correlation here. Don't worry. There's a reason for this. You know, back in the day in wrestling, wrestling was just a giant sport, right? Huge man sport.

We're talking, you know. Six, six, seven footers, you know, big muscle guys. That is just what wrestling was. And then along the way, when we kind of got to the Bret Hart Shawn Michaels of it all, you saw wrestling kind of go to a smaller, more athletic Type wrestler, and that's what the NBA was, right? For years, it was a sport ruled by giants.

You know, all your big men, your greats, your Russells, your Chamberlains, you know, your Abdul Jabbars, and then jumping into the O'Neills and You know, the giants ruled until. Steph Curry kind of came around and then, you know, made the three-pointer thing, kind of changed how everyone plays basketball. And you kind of didn't have that big man dominant. type of game anymore. Um, but even at that, people still question whether someone Brunson's size, 6'1, 6'2 point guard, could get it done.

And he definitely did. He showed, improved. He put them on his back. And Jalen Brunson, you know, he stands as the king of New York right now. And that's kind of where we're at in wrestling.

It's not about the Giants anymore, man. It's about, you know, guys, little smaller guys. Like, look at your, you know, some of your champions, especially in AEW. You know, like Darby Allin just got done with a championship run. And I feel like if you are a casual fan and you just looked at Darby Allen, you probably go, what, this guy's a wrestling champion.

But the fact of the matter is, you know, he put on banger matches. He's a little bit out of his mind, but he's a smaller guy who went into the land of Giants and succeeded. And that's what Jalen Brunson did, right? This whole playoff series. He went against the biggest dude in the league, Wemby, went right at him, took his best shots.

You know, didn't back down. And so, yeah, so it's kind of like parallel with the way wrestling was. Used to be the land of the Giants. And now, you know, you got the smaller guys out there who are really commanding eyes and viewership. You know, Rey Mysterio Jr., maybe the And by the way.

One day we're going to have to talk about maybe Rey Mysterio might be the greatest wrestler of all time. I mean, TJ, come on, man. I literally had this thought this last weekend. Why? It's so crazy that you say that, bro, because I'm like.

And I'll be Selling Rey Mysterio short? Oh, we haven't. No, definitely. But we have these goatees. He might be.

Yeah. He's not in them.

So Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a debate for it. That's what I'm saying. Jalen Brunson, how he made the little guy happy. He's now the king of New York. And look, look at what we had on, I don't want to jump ahead, but man, Ray Phoenix and Axiom, man, they put on a bang or two smaller guys.

You know, that's not, you know, we're always going to have your Obafemis and your Brock Lesnars and your big dudes. Yeah. Brunson showed up for the little fellas. Hey, little fella. And I also want to bring up, if you guys were watching, it seemed that Victor Wimbiana was using some wrestling moves himself.

Right? My God, bro. Can you not grab the back of my neck and throw me into the ground? Look, five weeks ago, people were like, oh, Victor's, he's got to get tougher. He's too soft.

And now he showed that he's. Yeah, don't bring a gun to work. I'm just saying.

Now you see that he's got a little bit of that dog in him. And now people are like, oh, well, he's dirty.

Well, what do you want? I mean, like, yeah, you dirty, dog. Come on. Can you not elbow me in the neck? And like the elbow, I'm fine with it.

I'm a Shaq fan, you know. You know, sometimes people gotta catch an elbow, bro. But, like, yeah, you know, ref. I don't think he can do a couple of these. I think a couple of these might be worthy of one game suspension, but it's the finals and he a star and he knew it.

So, you know, I mean, if he was on my team, I'd defend him until the gals come on. But he's a disgusting San Antonio spur. I was just thinking of the match, you know, back in WCW where. You know, the giant, the big show, Paul White took on Rey Mysterio Jr. That's what we were looking at in Wendy going against Brunson, man.

So like I said, there's always a wrestling parallel that you can draw on to almost anything. You just led me into a beautiful wrestling point, TJ. We get on this show. We talk about obviously the people who the people who have The titles, like the big boys are Roman and Cody. Look how life has, it always comes back right around.

And Then you look at The up-and-comers. Like You know, your bronze breakers and your Obas, who are just like obviously going to be Titans. For a long time to come, but bro. The most powerful man in wrestling of any promotion. is freaking Dan House.

And he is. Far too powerful for what has been written, what has really happened. Like, hey, Faith Wise, he's the most dangerous man. in the company of any company. He's now leaked over to the NBA.

Like, we're really out here talking about like. Come on, man. As soon as he lifted the curse, they lost a game. Come on, don't be that person, man. This is real NBA life and the Knicks and Spike.

Give props to the Spikes League. Give price. Spikes League, Spike League. Give props to the Spik Spikes. Ben Stiller and Tracy Morgan and Chalamet, but I even though I love I'm not jumping on this the Knicks Dan Hausen thing just I don't want to I don't want to get cursed but I'm not giving him credit for this I'm sorry this is not no not oh my god D Lo we're gonna have to we're gonna have to bleep that we are not we ain't bleeping nothing you gotta chill bro I'm still trying to go to finalist fest and like if he there like I can't that's fine and we can talk about other things with Dan Hausen I'm just not on this someone else asked me hey you want to talk Dan Hausen no this is real like this is real deal stuff man oh go bro okay man okay man all right you said that TJ said it.

I said it. I don't care. I got the Lord on my side. I ain't worried about no curse. Are you kidding me?

Because your teams never win, D-Monk.

Well, they used to. They used to. Oh, that's another thing. I'm going to have your back right here. I'm gonna have your back right here because you know, I might have been experiencing some agriculture.

And I might come across a Cowboys fan who was Smearing some real stuff. It's real stuff.

So, the next time they get on you, TJ, the next time they get on you while being a Dallas Cowboys fan, you tell them, listen. I haven't won in Like 30 years, I haven't even got a playoff game yet, right? 30 years or something crazy. Yes, we do.

Well, a Super Bowl in 30 years, right? Do you know I've given y'all a 30-year break, and y'all still ain't caught up to me? Brother, let me tell you something. That's kind of impressive. Every argument that can be made, I've either already made or have.

Folders on my laptop about the arguments. Like, I'm already preparing for football season when someone's going to say that crap to me. Do you realize there was a San Francisco 49er fan who in full gear who had the audacity to make a video laughing that the Knicks won a world title before the Cowboys did? And I just left a comment. Does somebody want to tell him?

Because people. For all you people that say the Cowboys haven't won since 1996, you realize the 49ers haven't won since 1995? That means their drought is longer than ours, but nobody wants to discuss it. Don't even get me started on this. Do you realize that there are only 14 teams in the time that we haven't, that we've gone without winning the Super Bowl?

Only 14 NFL teams have won a Super Bowl. That means there's a whole lot of other franchises. Yeah. That ain't done nothing.

So, yeah, I'm ready for this football season. Absolutely love that fact you just dropped on the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. From now on, TJ, I. We'll make sure people realize that every sports show that I'm on, you know, we get on the Cowboys a lot, but the 49ers, not only is their drought longer than the Cowboys. I mean, yeah, they've been to the Super Bowl.

But they got a Super Bowl losing streak of three. Yeah, they've been to the Super Bowl. Great, but no one ever says get to the Super Bowl. They always say win the Super Bowl. By the way, let me just rephrase this.

If Dan Hausen could. Make it so that the Cowboys. No, I'm even going down that path. I'm going to do it. You know what I do else wouldn't say, though?

There's some happy birthdays that we should wish.

Some friends of the show, some people we don't know yet. Mark Henry, friend of the show, he had a birthday last week, so I wanted to tell him happy birthday. Bailey, Bailey. Our favorite. Oh, my moon and my stars.

Bailey, happy birthday to you. Like, like we say all the time, Bailey has a special place here in our NCW Hearts. It was her birthday. And also Kendall Gray, who we've yet to have, but NXT superstar, her birthday yesterday. And by the way, speaking of Kendall Gray, did you see the match?

That she had not this week. But last week with Kalani Jordan, because if you didn't, like I always like to tell you guys, go to YouTube, look it up. Those two women. Or Seem like they're wrestling soulmates, and those two put on. A fantastic match.

And if you're not into flipping, and you know, you know, people who don't like, you know, they say the other company, they do too much flips and stuff. If you don't like that type of wrestling, you're not going to like this match. But these two, Kendall Gray and Kalani Jordan. I salute you two women. You ladies put on a banger last week, and so I just want to.

Acknowledge that. What a great match. And I'm looking forward to the next decade or so of those two going at it in the wrestling ring. It was pretty, pretty good. As you know, managing maintenance, repair, and operations is never easy.

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Hold on, TJ, I think uh I think we're being interrupted by Somebody's at the door. Oh, someone's knocking? Yeah, somebody's at the door right now. What is he doing here? I guess we'll just do what we got to do.

Hello, ding-dong. Hello. Yeah, what's going on? What up? Hey, J.

Hey man, how y'all gonna have a no-contest wrestling podcast without the best big man in the business, A.J. Francis? Man, come on, man. Good to see you, Mr. You gotta be the only guest.

To really take TJ serious when he said you could just pop up. Look, AJ, I've been telling cats every time they come in, your family now, you want to let yourself in, help yourself to the whatever's in the fridge, put your feet on the couch, and you actually took it. You're right, you did it.

So, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I can't drink Kool-Aid no more because I'm diabetical, as my nanny would say, but you know what I'm saying? I'm going to still be in that fridge.

You got some Diet Coke, man, for a player. You know, we cut everything you need, baby. My man, my man. I mean, AJ, like, you know, I. I know you got your beef with Elijah, but by the way, hold on, because I really want to get into this.

What is that, Lee? Let our listeners and our viewers know how exactly did you get the rights to a man? You got the man's whole catalog. I own that, brother. Listen, I own that, brother.

Yes, I do appreciate the fact that I can say I own another man and I get away with it because I'm a brother. You know what I'm saying? I do understand that, right? No, the other way around, you know, bad news, right? But nah, so I mean, if you follow TNA, you know, and if you don't, I'll catch you up.

Basically, long story short is: if you're paying attention to pop culture right now, you know, the hip-hop and country vibe is huge right now. I mean, just look at Big Ex the Plug's country album, you know what I'm saying? Like, the hip-hop country vibe is cool and big right now.

So, you know. With Elijah being more of a country folk kind of, you know, Johnny Cash kind of artist, I say, you know, let me make something with Elijah. We could make some money, money, money. The brother didn't want to work with me.

Now, I don't know why. Maybe it's because I beat him on impact, you know, three months ago in Atlanta. Maybe because I pinned him one, two, three, choke slammed him out of his boots. Maybe that's the reason why. But.

He didn't want to work with me.

So, naturally, when you don't want to work with me. You know, now I have to own everything about you.

Now I'm going to buy your catalog. I'm going to buy your name, image, and likeness. I'm going to make sure I learn from the greats, the Michael Jacksons, the Sukh Knights of the world. Like, I learned from the greats. Right.

So, you know, the thing is, is like, if you don't know. That who owns your property. That means somebody can own it anytime, any day. Right.

So I decided to buy his catalog. Didn't run me too much, you know? It was worth the investment, but it wasn't too crazy. You know what I'm saying? I probably bought more stock in Walmart for real.

But the thing is, the brother had to learn the lesson the hard way.

So now he's sued.

Now we're going to face the lawsuit, right? And he thinks that I'm going to just let it go. I'm not. I own him. Right?

And at Slimiversary, if he got any nuts at all. Maybe he'll decide that he wants to come and face me. Maybe he wants to put his big boy pants on and realize that I'm the best big man in the business. And the key word in there is business. He didn't have his business in order.

So I took care of his business. And now, if he wants to settle it, we can settle it at Slamiversary. If you're not scary, Now, this hasn't been announced. Are you calling for a match with him at Sliversary right now? Absolutely.

Absolutely. I'm Mr. Slamiversary. Ain't no Slamiversary without AJ Francis. Ever since I came to TNA, stole the show with PCO two years ago in Montreal, stole the show with the moonsault off the ladder and the dive off the ladder through the ladders.

I was saying that with Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy, and you know what I'm saying? I always show up at Slamiversary. I'm the new Mr. Slamiversary. So, ain't no Slamiversary without AJ Francis.

So, if Elijah wants to put his name in the long list of people who've been next to AJ Francis Steele in the show, he's more than welcome to.

So, this is an NCW exclusive. We got A.G. Francis versus Elijah at Slamiversary. I love the. If he got the nuts, we don't know.

I mean, the brother. The brother is scary. The brother is scary. You know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't want to collab with me.

You know what I'm saying? I had to force his hand.

Now I own everything about him. I might end up owning his guitar, his beard, his hat. I might own it all. I might make him sell his car. You know what I'm saying?

I might own it all. I would assume that the guitar came with all everything. You mean you don't own the guitar already? I mean, the specific guitar? No, I don't.

Unfortunately, he'd be breaking them all up. Hey, there's always time to negotiate. As long as the money's right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

This is crazy. Hold on, TJ. Not only have I never heard somebody say, yeah, I studied the greats, Michael Jackson, Shouldn't I? I never heard nobody say that before. You break out of my house.

Yeah. Michael Jackson said, hey, Paul, what were your rights? Paul was like, I don't know. Michael's like, oh, okay. 24 hours later.

This is crazy. True that. This is nuts. All right.

So now we got, now we have an official match announcement. Yeah, this is wild. And I know Elijah, Elijah low-key has been a thorn in your side for a little bit over a year because even when you all were in the NXT locker room and you had that tip in there and I think this is a culmination of everything finally coming to a head. Yeah. Absolutely.

And the thing is, is like, even when we went to NXT, he was so weak that he tore his tricep like a punk. Like, oh my God. Like, what kind of punk tears his tricep in a wrestling match? What a loser. Oh, my God.

AJ Francis made it through the match unscathed. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was in the match. You know what I'm saying? So, like.

You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe just I got too much grown man in me. Maybe that's the problem. Too much grown man strength for him to have. Listen, now, I mean, all right.

I'm sorry. I'm like, you barged in here. We got. Got to kind of make this happen, but it's a lot that's been happening over at TNA. You talk about toughness.

We're hearing that. You talk about toughness. And I'm hearing one of the toughest to ever do it, Tommy Dreamer, is out of there. Yep. Unfortunately, it's about Tommy.

The thing is, like Tommy. Has always been a guiding force for me in TNA. Tommy's one of the reasons I'm in TNA. If it wasn't for Tommy Dreamer, there wouldn't be no TNA Jay Francis. But at the end of the day, like...

Tommy is a grown man And he had, and he, I talked to him today, and he's gonna be fine. You know, and that's the way this business goes. Like, there's ebbs and flows. Two years ago, when Scott was let go, people thought TNA was going to be done then. They did.

And we're not. We're on AMC. Every Thursday at 9 p.m. Right.

Right now, obviously. Tommy letting go, being like, I guess they mutually decided to part ways, but. But, like, you know, I love Tommy and I'm and I'm grateful for everything Tommy's done for me. But at the end of the day, it's TNA Jay Francis. Right, I gotta look out for me.

AJ Francis is still in TNA. I hear all the little whispers, all the little TNA this, TNA that. I done heard people. that for the last year I've been calling Tessa Blanchard every name but a child of God. And then, when she decides she wants to get released, all of a sudden they're going to miss her.

I don't believe you. You need more people. I don't believe you, right? And the same thing is the same, the same people who, for the last three, six months, been talking bad about Tommy, saying Tommy's creative, and Tommy this and Tommy that. Then Tommy has to leave, and now all of a sudden, y'all all love Tommy.

I don't believe you. See, these people are fickle. They spend their time talking about things that they don't know, pretending that they know. And it bothers me because people try to tell me. about TNA and I'll be in the building.

Right.

I talked to Carlos on the phone.

Okay. I call Carlos. Talk to him on the phone. Carlos, to this day, the only boss I've ever worked for that answers my call every time I call him. Mm-hmm.

Only boss I ever worked for that answers my text every time I text him. That's in wrestling and football. You mean Roger Goodell didn't return your text? You know what I'm saying? You know?

you know i know i still i'm still waiting on dan snyder to to text me back oh you might as well forget about that one to this day i was on the i was on i was on the washington commanders for two years and i had zero conversations with dan snyder So anybody, you know what I'm saying? You might be back.

Some of his ass was a myth. But yeah, all right, so TNA. TNA still doing his thing. Yeah, I just saw the Tessa Blanchard release, TJ. I know that struck a chord in you.

I know that bothered you. Um and then you got the what man y'all look whatever man Tommy Dreamer leaving It seems like there's a bit of a shakeup happening. Obviously, the Macklin thing. But what that means is that there's new opportunity for the hierarchy around there. And to be honest with you, like...

This is the funniest thing to me. TMA is the only wrestling company. That when people ask for their release, they are immediately granted their release. Yes, right. That allows that too, by the way.

No other company does that. They'll make you go. There have been so many stories from every other wrestling company that somebody wanted to go and they wouldn't let them go. But soon as TNA is like, oh, you don't want to be here. All right, fine.

I hope you do well. You know what I'm saying? Do your thing. I'm hoping that you do what you want to do with your life.

Okay, cool.

Now we're the bad guys. And it's like people act like people want to, all these people may have left, but they left them for a myriad of different reasons. Right.

Right.

I love Mance and I love Steph DeLander, but Steph wanted to wrestle. That ain't got nothing to do with the Tessa Blanchard situation. That ain't got nothing to do with the Tommy Dreamer situation. That ain't got nothing to do with the Steve Macklin situation. Each one of those situations are completely different and completely nuanced.

But when you lack critical thinking and you lack the ability to be able to look at things from an outside perspective, and you just want to be the old phrase is: if you get too close to the elephant, you can't see the whole elephant, you just see gray balls. Hmm. Yeah. Right.

You got to back up and see the whole elephant. Right now, the whole elephant is that TNA is on AMC. We are on a major network. And we hadn't been for years. Right.

When we go to the upfronts at AMC. The people at AMC love what we're doing. They love the fact that we are bringing more viewers to our time slot than they had previously. And not just like a little bit, like 50% more viewers, okay? Right?

Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, like. That's substantial, right? Especially in today's day and age, and TV ratings, right? Yeah, so like. Is there room to grow?

Absolutely. Does TNA need to keep growing? Absolutely. But. That's always the plan.

Everybody has to do that, right?

So it's like, I don't, I think that we're being graded on a different scale than everybody else because. I just listed so many different things that are going the right way that nobody talks about. Nobody's talking about the fact that Tasha Steele's re-signed to TNA. Yeah, a W, a W. You know what I'm saying?

They only care about the negative. Exactly. They ignore the good news, right? Because you're going to get clicks on the bad news, right? That's like 100%.

It's like against the IWC, you know? Yeah. But it tricks me out that there's literally. Machines on Twitter that are just there for negative comments. Who was making racist bots, by the way?

Russia. Yeah, that's the thing that's the thing about uh Uh, you know, TJ, we're talking about just like how all sports intertwine, and uh, the World Cup has really made it so. A lot of people from Europe have come over to America and been like, you know, We're really under some propaganda because it's very nice over here. No! The best thing right now are watching everyone who from a foreign country come to America and make these videos about the food that they're eating.

And by the way, I think we all live here, so we know sometimes the American food, when I go over to Europe, Completely different. I don't think our food, they're trying to do a little something to us, but people are coming over here and bugging out about portion sizes and they're bugging out about just three refills. You know, somebody was like, if you see a Texas Roadhouse, you got to go. I ain't never been to Texas Roadhouse. You know what I mean?

But you know what the crazy thing is? I live in Texas, right by a Texas Roadhouse, and that thing be jumping. I'm telling you, every day, the honey butter be jumping. They let you buy a bucket of butter, TJ.

Okay. So, yeah, that to me, and I feel like, you know, we talked about the bots, and this is like the good side of social media and the good side of humanity. Because when you see all these people coming together and having a good time and making these videos, man, it just makes me even more excited for the World Cup than I already was. You know, I saw I love these interactions people are having in America now. I will say, some of my favorites, some of my favorites are the Koreans in Mexico.

Yo, I've seen some videos. I need to check that out. Oh, shit. You got to see some of these videos, though. Bro, ain't nothing funnier than a thousand Koreans in a Takoria in Guadalajara.

I'm telling you, it's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. It's the greatest thing ever. Yeah, so that's what it just shows, man, what sports can do, bringing people together, what wrestling can do, bringing people together. I did see one of my favorite things was I've been on an escalator probably 500,000 times in my life. Never one time did I ever think to do what Norway did was did you guys see this?

About 12 Norway fans were rowing up, and I was like, How did I never in my life think to sit there and do that, man?

So it's like because you like your because you like your life. Because if you don't give up fast enough, you sure get caught in that little thing because you're dead. My man in the back had a flag wrapped around his neck. I'm like, yo, B, you better get up before it. I done seen too many Final Destinations to try something like that.

Hey, it's not a game out there. It's not a game out there. Yeah, they definitely have been talking about like, you know, they made us think that. America just like everybody got a gun. They always shooting at each other.

That's not necessary. It ain't on our personal all the time, unless you're in certain states. Right.

But it's a beautiful thing to see. But you know, the negative. People always want the negative. The negative is going to get pushed. The negative is going to be in the zeitgeist.

Yeah, you know, I love it. Like perfect example. How was your time at TNA, O'Shea? Bro, we said it's the. That's hella true.

We both, me and TJ have said, like, of all the wrestling events we've been to. I had the most fun at TNA. Yeah, I never got to go in the gorilla before. You know, to see the show from that viewpoint, you know, you, AJ, you welcomed us, you know, with open arms. You and Shay had a little beef.

I'm assuming it's squashed. He shook me on TV. You know, because, you know, we had to have Mike Santana come help you because I was way, I was too far in the back. I couldn't help you out, but luckily, Santana.

So I'm assuming you two got this. You got it, bro. But yeah, and AJ, I said, and I've always said this, I'm like, if everyone in life treats you the way you get treated backstage at a wrestling event, this world would be such a better place, man. And yeah, so we definitely had a, we had an awesome time the few times we got to hang out. And I think that's why both of us were a little worried that, you know, maybe everything ain't code pacetic back there.

But now talking to you, we know things are good. Just people have their own agendas. They got their own paths they got to walk on. Exactly. And I mean, the people that they're talking about to, I mean, I've seen rumors.

I don't know. I have no idea who the new head of creative is going to be. I don't know. I'd be talking to Carlos, but I don't be in them executive meetings.

So I can't even sit here and pretend that I know who's going to be. But I've seen rumors. That is supposed to be apparently road dog. And if that's the case, That would be cool because, hey, I've had a pre-existing relationship with him when I was in WWE. He loved Hit Row, he was one of the main proponents, you know, pushing Hit Row.

That makes sense. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I, you know, if it happens to be Road Dog, that'd be dope. I mean, I reached out to Road Dog as soon as I found out he was leaving WWE because I wanted him to come to TNA. Yeah, I actually asked, I actually reached out to Carlos and asked him, Had he talked to Road Dog?

This is like months ago.

So, like, I don't. I don't know. I really don't know what the situation is, but if that is the case, that could be cool. Like, that could be very cool. And the thing is, is like, to me, You never know what's coming.

It's not my job to. Run TNA from an executive level. And I can't sit here and pretend that it is. My job is to entertain every time I go out there and I do that. My job is to come out here and promote the product as best as I possibly can, which I am currently doing and I always do.

That's why you see me at the Mark Wahlberg charity golf tournament last week. That's why you see me on the field with the Baltimore Orioles three weeks ago. That's why you see me at all these different events. That's why you see me propping TNA up because we are a legitimate, great product. Product.

You cannot go to a TNA show and tell me you didn't have a good time. I don't care if you see me or Mustafa Ali or Moose or if you see The System or if you see BDE or unfortunately, Casey Navarro or Elijah or Mike Santana or Nick Nimeth. It doesn't matter. They're all going to be great performances. You know what I'm saying?

And like, I personally know I'm... I'm the best big man in the business.

So obviously. The best thing you can get is AJ Francis. That's why it's T and AJ Francis, but there's so much great product. And that's before you throw in the fact that the only reason we even have the TV deal. It's because the likes of The Hardys.

And Leon Slater. Right, some of the best performers in the world, and for my money, Leon Slater is the greatest. I you heard it here first. AJ Francis prediction. Lead us later.

It's the best restaurant in the world. And He does it at every level on the mic, in the ring. He's got the look. He's got the swag. Best restaurant in the world, Leon Slater.

Now. He's not the best big man in the business. Let me be clear. But he's the best wrestler in the world, right? And so we got a great product, man.

And I'm so thankful that I get to be a part of it. I'm a TNA lifer now. I was in TNA before we had the TNA deal. And unlike all these other guys. I don't plan on leaving.

Right.

It's okay if you want to go somewhere else. No hard feelings. That's just helping you get the hell out of my way. That's right. I want to be TNA world champion.

And I've proven in the ring and out of the ring over the last. Two and a half years that I deserve. to be. Right.

And I'm going to keep proving it time and time again. Because not only am I the best big man in the business, but I missed the slammiversary, and I'm going to steal the show again. That's what I do.

Now, when is when so now you're going up against Elijah? When is it? Where can people see it? Let the people know where they can see this Elijah versus AJ Francis finale. July, or I said July.

I'm sorry. June 28th. June 28th, right? June 28th. Boston, Massachusetts.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Live on TNA Plus. You know, yeah, I know, I know, I know. You know, you know, the Lakers.

Shout out to Lake Show. Lake Show. You know what I'm saying? But we're in Boston on June 28th. It's going to be great.

The last time we were in Boston was for Bound for Glory last year. That was a great show.

So this is going to be a great show, man. And, you know, there's already a stack card. You know, Nick Nimitz versus Mike Santana for the TNA World title. There's going to be an Ultimate X match. You know, we got a bunch of different, really good matches.

And I'm looking forward to it because. I know that when I go to these shows, I'm going to steal it.

So, I'm looking forward to competition. See, I love the competition. That's what got me to the NFL: the fact that I love competition. I love it.

So, I want everybody on TNA to think that they're going to steal the show from me. They're not going to, but I want them to feel that way. And let's give a shout out to the two, all the wrestlers we named, there's two that stand out that we didn't name, and that is Lei Ying Lee, the knockouts champion, doing her thing, and Cedric Alexander, the X Division champion. Just want to throw their names out there since we were mentioning so many other people. A new guy, Fabian Eichner, coming in there.

He's strong like Bull. You two are probably going to have to. No funny. No funny. I'm being super dead ass when I say this.

The strongest pound-for-pound wrestler I've ever been in the ring with is Fabian Eichner. And I say that because. When I was still in the performance center, I trained with him, right? And he's the only person that is smaller than me. that didn't need any help from me to pick me up.

Because I didn't even know it was about to happen. A word? He picked me up on his shoulders in like a fireman position. And did the Roland Sinton that Seamus does, but he just did that. We were in class.

He just did it on the fly. And I was like, as I was going up, I was like, oh, wait a minute. What the? Yeah, hold on, bro. He did it all by himself.

Strongest power-for-power dude I've ever been in the ring with. Tabian Iger. Yeah, so you guys are probably going to have to meet down the road at some point. And I'm sure when that happens, it will be gold on the bottom. He looks unsolicited.

He wrestled. I saw somebody say he wrestled like, exactly. I saw somebody say he wrestled like Stone Cold with the Super Serum. He be doing. He'd be doing springboards.

He did a springboard in some Tim's, which is arguably like the blackest thing I've ever seen. By the way, I peeped that. I was like, how is it that him and LA Knight are the only two cats to rock Tim's in wrestling? Don't even make sense. Not off of shoes.

I own Tim's. I love Timms. Wrestling is Tim's brutal, like terrible decision. I don't even know. Speaking of the decision, you mentioned this on social media.

I haven't talked to you since I read this and you said it, but let's bring it up now. Let's get some of those clicks. You don't like wrestlers or you don't want to be wrestling out there in tight or trunks, right? That was something. Oh, no, you said it right the first time.

I think anybody that wrestles in draws is losing their mind. It's little kids in the crowd. I don't understand that I just don't get it. When pants are readily available, I'm not even saying you have to have a shirt on. Like, I think I have a shirt on.

You know what I'm saying? But I don't think that, but it's little kids out here, guys. If pants were good enough for Shawn Michaels, I feel like they should be good enough for everybody. You want everybody in tights? No, I mean tights, not necessarily everybody in tights.

You know, I'm saying you can, I mean, there's different ways to swag it. You know, it's like my old tattoo partner, Ashante Diodonis, aka Hoodie Miles, he used to wear the overall joints, right? You know what I'm saying? You know, you can swag it different ways, you know what I'm saying? But the little draws is crazy to me.

If I wear little draws to Walmart, I'm going to jail. First of all, hold on, Doug. My parents, back when I was younger, my little brother was younger, my parents took my little brother to some WWE live event, right? And I'm unaware of this. All right.

I'm like, I'm probably at SC or something, but. My parents had took my little brother and my my nephew. to some WWE live event. Came back home. And they were talking to me about it.

They were like, yeah, and some dude was out there, and my mama sent us some pink panties. And I was like, Pink pants. Wait, what? Exactly. You come to find out years later.

Russia, you was talking about CM Pong. Yeah. Just because he had all them little draws. Y'all think it's crazy that they come out in the little drawers, kick pads, and a t-shirt. That's not crazy to everyone but me.

I'm the one that's wrong. I just know when you put that on Twitter. I was like, wow, okay, he's kind of okay. And then, but the responses were crazy because people were arguing with you about your opinion, right? Like somebody said to me once.

Like I this was before we did the podcast or anything. I was on Twitter and I gave like my five favorite female wrestlers. I had people hit me up like Oh. No Trish Stratus in there? And I'm like, well, this is my list.

Like, you don't. This is like, I said to somebody once, my favorite movie character was Captain Jack Sparrow. And this guy on Twitter got in an argument with me and said, There's no way he's your favorite movie character. I'm like, how can you tell me what my favorite is?

So when people are going out here and arguing with you, I'm like, how like it's like when O'Shea tried to tell me that Iceman's not incredible. I'm like, come on, O'Shea. I've never said that. I've never said that. Do not have the court of owls.

Yeah, you don't need it. He already got enough people coming at him. He don't need that whole thing. Don't pollute and leave me the hell alone. Yeah, but I will say, yeah, anytime I ever visualized or thought of myself with a wrestler, I was wearing either shorts or long trunks.

But yeah, I never could see myself. John Cena or jeans shorts, bro. Yeah, shorts, baby. I get it. I understand.

And back in way back in the day when we were pretending that wrestling was actually a true sport and not entertainment, like they wrestled, they were in underwears, bro. And I get it. All right.

Okay. That's fine. We are in big 2026. Yeah, man. You do what I'm saying?

Like, it's Roman Reigns is the greatest wrestler of all time. What? On the list. Yes, I do. If you look at his.

If you look at his performances in WrestleMania, as well as the fact that he's been in the most main events of WrestleMania, I mean, Even if you look at the main event he had with Punk this past year, people are saying that's like one of the greatest main events ever. I personally think the triple threat with him, Punk, and Rollins the year before was even better. But that's, you know, that's my personal opinion. Seth Rollins also wears. Trunks or tights, rather.

Yeah, I'm wearing tights. Seth Rollins wear tights. Roman Reigns came out in cargo pants and a bulletproof vest, like 50 cents. And now he got the now, the vest is gone, and he got just the cargo pants and some boots. If it's good enough for Roman Reigns and it's good enough for John Cena and it's good enough for Sean Michaels and it's good enough for Seth Rollins, it should be good enough for everybody else, bruh.

Yeah. All right, that's something I knew I wanted to talk to you about at some point. Listen, if you got people online hammering to see you in some draws. There's a lot of questions. There's a lot of compliments.

Yeah. Here's the thing: it's okay. It's okay. I'm not judging. If you want to wear the little draws out there as a wrestler, wear the little draws, bruh.

But I. Don't like it. Rey Mysterio wear pants. Ricky Shigery, greatest Luchador of all time. Jeff Hardy wore a fishnet shirt.

Yeah, Matt and Jeff both wear pants. You know what I'm saying? Mama name him Clay. I'm gonna call him Clay. You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. Exactly, bro. But people want to act like, but here's the thing: this is the truth. What people don't want to discuss is I am the greatest heel in wrestling and it's not close. And here's why it's not close because I can give a personal opinion that I don't think grown men should wear draws in front of children and I'm the asshole.

I give a personal opinion or I make a joke. People forget. I make a joke about people wearing ASICs on Twitter six years ago. And it set the entire internet up in flames because I talk about people wearing ASICs, bro. Like, let's be for real, bro.

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Start your free trial at shopify.com. You know, MJF says it, it's okay. Or when, you know, Dominic Mysterio says it, it's okay. Or when Matt Cardona called himself the best wrestler, you know, it's okay. Or, you know, it's okay for them.

But I have a track record too. Go put on my matches with Nick Nimeth or Rich Swann or Casey Lamar or Mike Santana, or you can put on my matches with Elijah, or you can put on my matches with Cha-Cha-Charli. You can put on my matches with literally. Anybody, bro. I don't even look at your story.

Your storyline with Joe Hendry kind of skyrocketed that man. And that's another thing. We're gonna talk about the fact that Joe Hendry. His bigot, he did the same thing for 10 years.

Soon as he started running his mouth about me, he became a megastar. This isn't an opinion. This is an exact fact. But he already had songs about Drew McIntyre and Matt Cardona and Big Show and all these other people. These are facts.

But as soon as he started running his mouth about me, he became a megastar. That like These are facts. People want to ignore facts because it doesn't fit their narrative because people like to pretend I'm not who I say I am. I'm exactly who I say I am every single time. I perform every single time I show up.

Right.

So it's like, okay. You wanna hate on me? You can hate on me. It's just gonna make me more money. I don't care.

I'm sorry, Jay, if you don't believe that, right? If you don't believe that, then what are you doing? What are you doing if you don't think that you're the best at what you're doing? Th then go do something else. Exactly.

And it's also a situation where it's like, bro. Honey. It's not just me saying it. I be proving it. This bleach report says proven it.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? When I resigned to TNA, it was. announced by ESPN. That's a fact.

Yeah. Right.

Whenever I do my Camfu Drive, it's on the Scott Van Pelt show. That's a fact. I've been on the Pat McAfee show three times. The only wrestler that's been on the Pat McAfee show and not assigned talent to WWE. That's a fact.

Mm-hmm. So is like you've been on no contest twice. He only puts the break in the contest. It's a fact. These are facts.

People hate facts. I don't understand. Like, you're mad at facts. You're mad at reality. Our guy, Chris Brockman, who works for me on the Rich Eisen show, that's his favorite thing to say, man.

People hate facts. They hate facts. They hate it. It's like, what you want me to sugarcoat facts? Be a grown man.

Hey, grow up, man. Grow up, bro. I ain't got time. I'm 36 years old. I ain't got to be time.

I ain't got no time to be coddling no grown-ass man.

Well, we definitely gonna see you abused one for what it sounds like, June 28th on TNA Plus live involved slam anniversary. AJ, man, thank you. Thank you for this. I don't even know how to sell this afterwards, D. House broken into.

Here's how you sell it. A family member. Had a break and came home and helped himself in, like the way we've been telling him to. In the words of the immortal prophet Druski. Demon Home, b Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know what that means, but it's fun. Get the bleed ready. AJ, thank you, bro, man.

Appreciate you. Oh, AJ, before you go, because before we let you go, you know, we started the pod talking about just what a crazy week and a couple of weeks we had in sports. We talked about the World Cup. What are your thoughts about the NBA Finals, man? Like, oh man, first of all, shout out the Knicks, man.

Yeah. Shout out to Knicks. Because here's two things that I genuinely thought it was going to be Spurs in five. I thought whoever came out of the West was going to smoke the Knicks. I genuinely believe that.

Because. A Okay, C already had that championship pedigree, right? But B. The Spur Rimby looked unstoppable until the finals. And I think not enough people are giving credit to Kat for playing physical on that man and making him playing physical on that man.

Yes, playing physical and Hot take. And some 60 and 70 year olds might be mad at me about this. But Jay LeBronson is officially the greatest snick of all time. You know, that's been the conversation. A lot of people, some fans agree, like I'm not a Knicks fan, so I look at it like this.

That's not my argument. That's not my argument to have. But you're making a compelling situation. Jalen Brusson needs a statue at MSG. Oh, yeah, for sure.

That's got to be in the works already. You know what I mean? Like the Knicks, the Knicks, nobody thought that, not even the craziest Knick fan in the world thought it was going to be Knicks in five. Yeah, I've said things in six just because it rhymes. Me too.

You know, I said I'm a Sixer fan.

So after like game four, after they got done with the Sixers, right about, I came on the show and I said, I don't care who comes out the West. The Knicks are winning this championship, you know, because sometimes it feels like the story's already been written. And we're just reading it. And I felt like that's how I felt. 100%.

I felt like. Shout out Dan Hausen for making it happen. See, that see now. We just had. I O'Shea wants to give Dan Hausen props.

I on some real stuff don't. I'd rather give Spike Lee the props. I'd rather give Shallow. Shout out Spike Lee. No, hold on.

Hold on. Can we talk about Spike Lee in the garden standing up yelling at the referees? Is that allowed? I don't think that's allowed. No, Spike.

He be going over the line. Hey, he be on the court yelling at the refs. I don't think that's allowed. Hey, Do the Right Thing is a classic. Malcolm X is a classic.

I'm not hating on Spike Lee at all. I'm just saying, I don't think you're supposed to be on the court yelling at the refs. Unlike the other celebs, though, Spike pays for his tickets.

So he feels like I can do this because I'm actually paying for it. And he's been paying for him. Yeah, 30, 40 years. 30 years, I guess, yeah. He's been paying for him.

So big money. You know, if anyone knows about big money, it's AJ Francis. He knows. Come on, dog. And that business is money, money, money, money.

And I also will say: not only is he the greatest nigga of all time, but. Jalen Brunson is the greatest Jalen to ever play in the NBA. That's worth my mother, you heard. I'm telling you, bro. That's valid.

Come on, dog. I mean, I think because it's like 800 of them. Yeah, I think because Jalen Rose was the first, and we can say without a shadow of a doubt, every one of them were named after him. You got to give Jalen Rose his spot at the top. Oh, no way.

Jalen Brunson's going to be right there with him. Nope. No, baby, whatever. Jalen Rose, number two. Jalen Brunson, number one.

Hey, big shout out to Jalen Rose moms for creating an iconic name. That's what I'm saying. If it wasn't for Jalen Rose, his name would have been Jimmy Brunson. It wouldn't have hit the same. It would not have hit.

Jimmy Brunson was like a Jalen Brunson Brunson. Jimmy Brunson sounds like a Netflix documentary in Scotland. Everything going wrong. Jimmy Brunson seems the name they were going to get B Rabbit and eight mile before they settled on B Rabbit. B Rabbit.

So, how again, I keep wanting to let you go, but then I'm thinking, now, how's the music going right now? You working on anything? Oh, it's great, yeah, man. I'm actually, uh, I actually was going to live. I did.

I did. I dropped a diss track on Elijah. I dropped a diss track on everybody, actually.

Okay. The whole, all wrestlers. That joint went crazy. Because the thing is, it's like. For years.

I've been telling y'all. That I'm the best big man in the business, the best rapper. And I've been saying it, and now all of a sudden, everybody acts like they knew all along. Ah ah, ah ah. No, no, we remember.

We remember when you tried to compare me to them cartoon raps that all these other dudes was doing. When Nipsey Hustle was telling you that I'm elite, when Snoop Dogg was telling you I'm elite, when DJ Huke was telling you I'm elite, when Bund D was telling you I'm elite, you try to compare me to Yappity Yappities, and that ain't me. I be trying to tell y'all all of a sudden, I really do it.

So now I talk my trash, and I be begging somebody to say something. I dare you say something. This goes out to all y'all wrestlers that make music. I dare you to say my name. Hey, like O'Shea's favorite song.

Whisper my name and don't say it too loud because you gotta come here. You know, I pop out. Come on. We had no contest, TJ. We don't hope.

We wait. If you want to make a no-contest song, we don't want to get dissed or nothing like that, even though I know YouTube had beats. I'm going to let y'all be on the little intro. You know, the songs with the hook is not a hook, it's just somebody talking. I'm going to let y'all get y'all's on.

Oh, you're down for that. I need it. I need it. Appreciate you so much, Doc. I appreciate y'all, man.

Thanks for having me, man. And I appreciate everything y'all do. You know, I do. Appreciate the fact that y'all allow me to use y'all platform because I know that you don't have to. And you use this platform with so many people that are so much more important than me, like John Cena.

So, I just want y'all to know. that I appreciate y'all. Hey, can I can we tell you something about the John Cena thing? Much like you, he definitely can't rap better than me, but keep going. Much like you, we didn't ask John Cena.

John Cena showed up, said, I want to come on the pod.

So, John Cena, like you, he used the spare key. I got a call one day. I'm in the middle of the Rich Eisen show, and Shay's like, You got to call me, you got to call me. I'm like, What's up? He's like, John Cena just asked if he could come on the pod.

I said, I, what?

So, So yeah, you know, much like both of you. Yes. Yes. Whatever, man. Whatever day, whatever time, I'm there.

We'll make it happen. Oh, yeah. My brother. June 28th, Slammiversary. We're going to see you in Elias.

That was AJ Francis. Appreciate y'all, man. Yeah. And uh we're gonna we're gonna ask you though how you smell it. It smelled like money, money, money.

All right, well, bro. When we tell somebody just to show up. No one's crazy. Yeah. No one's really joining us up on it.

Yeah, we got a. Do our Zoom links not expire? That was wild. Yeah. Gave him that Zoom link like a year ago.

That's dope, though. Hey, our boy AJ Francis coming through, letting us know about the state of TNA. You know, good to know. I was a little worried there when I saw a bunch of people leaving, you know, from like you said, Mance to Macklin to, you know, My Grace, you know, who we met at her, she had her tryout to now Tommy Dreamer and Tessa gone. We were wondering if maybe, you know, the ship was sinking or something going on.

But AJ was like, nah, it's all good, man. People just, you know, they got to go follow their own path. And Idiots is coming out on August the 28th. I just want to say that, 2026. But yeah, shout out to AJ for coming through.

And, you know, to any of our other guests. Like I said, I tell you guys all the time, come through whenever. Yeah. Yeah, you g there's a couple of Never mind. I'm not even going to go there.

But yeah, there's a couple of people that are invited at any time. Brilliant. Stop it. Anytime. Stop it.

Oh, by the way, you know how I started the show earlier? I was talking about happy birthday to people. He's someone I forgot. I put it on Twitter. I don't know if you saw that, but yeah.

I don't number my rappers, but I know I have a top ten. Yeah. And this man's in the top 10. Is he one? Is he 10?

I don't know, but he's in there and he's always in there. He's always going to be in there. That is the great Ice Cube had a birthday the other day, and you know him a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir.

He, you know. It's always a I always hate when his birthday and Father's Day don't fall on the same day. Because now I gotta go get him a second pair of shoes. Yeah, you know, I had to, for his birthday, I hooked my man up with the black Levi threes. You know, because like nobody wears Levi's more than him, I'm gonna tell you right now.

Oh, yeah. Like some 501s, like that's just like he's just wearing Levi's, bro.

So I looked him up with the black Levi threes and T-Serry, I'm giving my dad a lot of shoes. That's his thing? He saw it in and was like. These are hard. Which shoes were these?

The black Levi Jordan 3. Oh, word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. I almost bought them.

I almost bought them. They were out of my size. He was like, when did they do this? I was like, earlier in January, they came out with a Levi like Pat, but I just got you the blackness. He was like, Shay these are hard and I was like oh, it's like a silent like a Yeah, he already plotting outfits, but then he said he pointed to the back of the shoe.

And you know how Jordan's always got like on the back of the shoe, it's either like a, you know, like a little like hook cup or like something like that got the Jordan logo on. But it always poke out. It's the Levi's. It sticks out a little bit over the shoe. Yeah.

Yeah. And the Levi's, they're closed off. And he was like, and they don't have that thing for my pants to get snug on. And I was like, does that bother you? Because is this like a thing that bothers me?

He was like, Yeah, I hate when my pants get caught on the back of my shoe. I know exactly.

So I was like, dang, all right, yeah, I got you. But yeah, he don't know that on Father's Day, he's about to get them world's best dads. Thank you, TJ, for that one. Let me tell you something. Those shoes are hard.

They've almost become an everyday shoe. Normally, I would have a three on the day. Today, I got some, you know, the old school Air Max. I got wearing these Johns today. Right, right.

I don't got that. But there is something I noticed, and now I'm starting to piece it together. During the combo with AJ, I noticed that you turned and you were looking at someone, and it looked like you grabbed something. Was it? Don't tell me that was your pops that came in, because I was like, he was talking to somebody.

Yeah, my my dad came in because he He's just a weird loving dad and he was passing me food and I'm like dad like I mean, I travel to my parents' pool house for all my Zooms and things like that. And uh yeah, yeah. He came in and gave me some of his pie, just happy to see his son, weirdo dad.

Well, I mean, we missed out. That could have been a great moment just to have Ice Cube just come through, not even say nothing, and just hand you what kind of pie was it? Yeah, he's a key lime guy, bro. He's a key lime guy and came in and was like, You want some of this? Yeah, because you made that face, and I was like, Who's he?

Like, what's he doing right now? Yeah, man, but best dad in the world. Father's Day, hook them up with the world's best. By the way, For those who don't know about the world's best dad, Jordans, they come with a little. Little like trophy in the inside of them where you could like ride on a card.

Yeah. On the back of the trophy, it says, Thank you for making me believe I could fly. Oh, you know what? I never turned mine over. I just saw it.

I was like, oh, that's right. I'll tell you, that cheered me up real quick. I was like, ah.

Okay. I'm going to have to go through the shoebox tonight. Yes, sir, bro. Oh, so it was beautiful.

So, where were we before AJ came home? Right.

We won't keep you long. You know, we talked, you know, we acknowledged some birthdays, talked about the great sports weeks, you know, World Cup finals. Shout out to the Carolina Hurricanes winning the Stanley Cup final. Right.

The states of Carolina are the kings of hockey. Isn't that weird? Right.

Their coach, Rod Brendan Moore, had a picture of him holding the cup up without a shirt on. The man looked like he could jump in the WWE ring. You know, he's on swole right now. But real quick, SmackDown, man. Let's get to last Friday, SmackDown.

A couple big things happening there. SmackDown was so crazy. Take your wig off. See, stop. And what you're talking about is we had that four-way match for Fayette Fourway for the Queen of the Ring tournament.

We had Jade Cargill Lyra Valkaria. Bird, bird, bird.

So, let me do it right. Let me say it right.

So, Ruka and the Queen, Charlotte Flair. We've, you know, that's a formidable four-woman lineup, Fayette Fourway, and Charlotte. She uh she I think we both Predicted that last week. She got the dub. Let's just.

Talk about the thing that everyone's talking about. Jay Cargo had a little hair mishap there. Boy, our sister Jay Cargo got hit with a slab so hard and it peeled her muffle cat back and blue. Man.

So shout out for her for being able to finish the match. She held on with one hand. At some point, I was just like, rip it off, sis. I mean, it'll be great. My mama said, how come she's not doing the thing?

Miss Kim, Miss Kim, Miss Kim, you can't throw the X up unless something's actually like really hurt. I don't think you could throw the X up because your hair is a little bit. I ain't coming back in that way, bro. No, y'all gonna have to think I died. But yeah, you know, she was holding on to the joint with one hand, trying to go through the match.

Like I said, at some point, I was just like. Just rip it off because everyone's having fun with it, right? But here's the deal. You know, I mean, there's been at least two times that Charlotte Flair's extensions have completely been ripped out of her hair. Every match, you'll see like little.

Tufts of blunt hair, it happens, all right. It happens, it was funny. She got through it. You know, hopefully, you make your little joke and then you move on. And she came back later that night for something, something happened.

But let me show her again. And she had it back, yeah, it was back in place because she came out with uh me, chin, and be fab. But yeah, so Charlotte, she got the dub, she's moving on in that tournament. We also saw Brie Bella and Paige defend the women's tag team titles against Fallon Henley and Laney Reed. Great match, though, dog.

We talked about the little guys, you know, not. You know, when you got your AJ Francis, everyone's going to look in comparison to the rest of the roster. But Ray Phoenix and Axiom, man, they had that triple A. Cruiserweek. Shout out to those two.

I want to give those two a round of applause. That was a fun, fun match to watch. It's good to see Ray Phoenix getting his chance to go out there and do his thing. A lot of times for weeks, we're like, where's he at? He's not getting any run.

No, now he's got a belt. He and Axiom got out there. You know, went out there to kind of show and prove a little bit. And I really enjoyed that match. You got Gunther.

telling uh Nick Aldiss that he is making a pick for referee. In his match with Cody Rose, and it's going to be Sami Zayn. And this is after Sammy and Cody got some teeth going on.

So that's your genius by God. The ring hand.

So, yeah, we'll see that coming up. Then you had Trick Willie. You had Ricky Saints and you had Carmelo Hayes and Nick. And they would get down, and I loved it. And I'm not sure, Che, if I feel like we should revisit and let people know the history of Mello and Trick, because it doesn't seem like.

that's been touched on. Maybe, you know, we'll get a little clarity. Maybe introduce people to that storyline that don't know it in the next few weeks, but yeah, so those three are doing their thing, that was fun. Um Probably going to get a triple threat match at some point for the U.S. title if it hasn't been announced already.

I don't know everything. I can't, don't claim to, but that is something I think that will be a fun match, man. And then you have the men's Fatal Four Way. For the King of the Ring, where Jey Uso, L.A. Knight, Finn Balor, and Royce Keys.

And I really believed in our Finn Balor pick, bro. Yeah, I thought because I could- I really believed. I was like, they're not going to have all-raw guys win this, right? And they're like, you shut your black ass up. But there you have it.

Solo popped out of nowhere, kind of, you know. interrupted Messed up LA with the thumb and uh Jay gets the dub. You don't know if I'm surprised by that or not, because it's just a now. Do you count that as a bloodline interference? I can see where LA Knight does.

I never was like, come on, bro. I can see, look, you ain't in that position. You would think the same thing. Like, bro, man, like, it don't count. It don't count.

Teeth, nobody came out to help Jay. That affected the match. Jimmy got damn near beat the hell up. How can you say the match wasn't affected, though, when. But he was not there to help Jay.

Solo wasn't there to help Jay. Like Jimmy came out in rebuttal, and then Jimmy ended up getting, I think, tossed over a wall or something later. But Jimmy never affected the match. Like, specifically to help Jay win. The fact of the matter is, brother, one of their people, that's their little brother, came out and affected the match.

So you have to understand. They don't even like each other. That doesn't matter. You have to at least acknowledge that LA Knight is feeling a certain type of way because you didn't do it, but your little brother came in here and did it. Like.

You know what I'm saying? Hold on, wait. Just side note, I got a funny solo cicola story that I don't know if I shared on here.

Alright.

So when we was when we remember remember we was in Vegas and I uh I had went out And I saw Paulie D and all them. You know, I didn't go. I was done that night. Yeah, yeah, it was a rough one. It was a rough one.

The old man and me came out that night. I'm like, I'm going. Yeah, yeah. It was a rough one. But.

Solo had snuck up on me on stage. I feel somebody like, I feel somebody like. Poking me in the ribs like that. And I'm like, you know, I turn, I look. And it's this fool in a fitted hat and a white tee.

And he goes, hey. You booed me. And I was like, what are you talking about, man? He said, January 6th, the first Netflix on Raw, it was me versus Roman. And I saw your ass, and you booed me.

And I said, you're going against Roman. He said. All right.

That said, well, you blick me off. He was like, when? I said, Saturday night's main event, Goldberg's last match in Atlanta. I see you from the crowd, and I'm, you know, I'm giving you props. And you looked at me and flicked me off.

He goes. I was flicking off the man behind you. You're a liar, dog.

So, yeah, shout out to the boy Solo. But he doesn't even like his brothers. He doesn't even like his cousins. He dipping on the other side of the family tree right now. Again, his family from Japan that's not really from Japan.

All of that.

Well Regardless. The Simone spike took out LA Knight, and now we got Jey Uso moving on to the court. What is it? The quarterfinals now. Yeah, same it's Semi well you know i'm not good with that stuff but yeah So that was it.

That was SmackDown really quick. Shout out to Jay Cargo, though, for holding it down. Lyra Valkyrie. Literally. Lyra Valkyria sold the hell out of the figure eight.

If you go back and watch, she made it look like she was in the most pain that she's ever been in her life.

So And also, dog, when when Jay first started holding it down. It was like. five uh almost false like it was like It was the times when you thought it was almost over. And it was like, no, we still got more match. And I'm like, well, y'all hurry the hell up and James.

I think people at first thought she was selling like a head, a shot to the head. Yeah. But yeah. And then it set her up perfectly, though, for the soul snatcher. Like her bending over like that, that was just all hit that perfectly.

But yeah, the Queen, Charlotte, she comes out on top. Yep. She will move on, she will take on Liv Morgan. And uh Going to raw real quick, you know, we had EO! The fact, you don't want to get in this too much.

The fact that there's an EO Sky fan page that was coming at you on Twitter, trying to question that not only your, I mean, my love for EO has been documented for years, but your love for EO, that was just. People on Twitter are weird sometimes. And first of all, you were talking about that EO Shirai video I posted. Oh my, oh my, oh my, I remember. I don't like you.

Is what EO was saying. I don't like you. So, yeah, so EO took on one half of the hard R's. Rock hell. You know, this was a tough match for me to watch because of my love for both of these wrestlers.

Yeah, man. And. Come the trigger. I'm so tired of teething when the Judgment Day women are going to just have it already. I remember I thought Mikael was, I thought it was finally going to be that awkward moment of like.

So Liv, you gonna You're gonna let Raquel get this, right? Oh, I wanted that. That's where we were going. We thought it was where we were having. Because while you got living the tournament, so you're thinking, all right, this is going to lead up to this.

And it didn't. I'll never be mad about E.O. Skye winning a match. But it's just like, all right, we'll see where this goes.

Now we got EO, she. Advances. What else do we have out? Chad Gable and Rusev. Put on a nice little match.

You saw Gable go over with the ankle lock, ankle lock. Great. I'm really happy to see what they're doing with Gable right now. But like I said last week, we've known Chad Gable was him for years now, right? We've known that, and we're still with, like.

All right, cool. Like, yeah, we already knew this.

So now what are you going to do with them? You're going to give him some gold? What are you going to do? Because we already knew Chad Gable was a wrestling machine. This is, it didn't take him to put on a mask for us to know that.

You know what I'm saying? By the way, you know that they're auctioning off the El Grande Americano mask. And I'm surprised about that. I'm a little too. Based upon what you told me about the WWE warehouse, that thing might just end up sitting on the shelf somewhere with a piece of scotch tape or masking tape underneath it that says El Barde Americano mask.

It's going to be one of those things that's like. You know, 10, 20 years down the road, they're going to be like, oh man, wish we had. Yeah, they're going to like find some. When they finally make the Wrestling Museum. Just want to put that out there.

Or they're going to have to send AJ Francis back out in the road to go to somebody and try to get him to, you know, here's a couple bucks. Let's get the mask back. You know, and the mask is generating, I think I saw somewhere that's up to $24,000. Um, and that's going towards charity. But if I'm WWE, I'm keeping my mask and I'm just donating to charity, yeah.

That's a piece of my history, right there, yeah. You know, we've got a piece of wrestling history in this Rich Adson show studio. We got the. The neck brace that Tony Khan had to wear after the Young Bucks hit him with the Meltzer driver a few years ago, if you remember that. And Tony Khan left the uh brought his neck brace, and it's sitting over here.

I'm looking at it right now.

So we got a little bit of that, some wrestling history in here. But uh, and then Roxanne and Charlotte got in a little something on Twitter, and Charlotte was basically like, Okay, I'll see you Monday. She shows up, and her and her and Roxanne went at it. And I thought it was they put on a nice, a nice little match. Charlotte won by submission.

Uh, people are trying to ride off Roxanne because she seems to be taking a lot of losses. Look, guys. Rock sand's going to be fine. She's a prodigy. She's the prodigy.

She is going to be fine. She's going to be a champion one day. Yeah, she's taking some L's, but there is no way, shape, or form she's getting buried. No. She's gonna be fine.

And now you got the same look. You got a look on your face right now, like you had when the Luca trade happened.

So I'm wondering. Because, like, I'm thinking, like, what to do with Roxanne and, like,. I cannot believe. People would think, and it's because they probably didn't watch NXT. But like Bro, it's the prodigy.

She is going to be running this place. She got skyrocketed. from NXT into the judgment day. Like, she barely had a hiccup by herself, you know? I'm not worried about her.

No, it's the prodigy, bro. She's she's She's everything. And then rarely do you see this. Javon Evans comes out. Here comes Logan Paul in Austin Theory.

And basically, they're not asking Javon Evans to be in the vision. They're not. Putting out, let's see, a feeler. No, no, no. They're like, no, you're rolling with us now.

I don't think I've ever. Your partner's part is number six. No, you don't understand. You're joining the vision. It's like, hell with that.

Yeah. So, you know, that brings up. Like, I'm something. Never mind. Right.

Not Willy Lump Lump over here. You ain't just telling me. You're with us now. Yeah, we're together. And can I be honest with you?

For a split second, I went, hmm, how would that look? Of course. Of course, of course, you think of course, but at this point, with all the injuries, I don't think anybody, you know, you might want to stay away from the vision. Yeah, bro, y'all. You're gonna get hurt.

Y'all need some robot tussing over there. Pour some Tussin on it. Pour some of that Tussin.

So that brings out a match between Javon and Austin Theory, which gets Braun Breaker. That spare he hit, I mean, on Javon was just like, thank goodness Tez came out for the save, but like. Yeah. And now you're in a position where number one, number one, shout out to Dawkins making his return, which but it just makes it s weirder that that Seth Rollins thing was happening with Montez, because now it's the Javon thing now, instead of it being Seth. Which makes no sense because Seth is still there.

And then uh Yeah, so now I guess that's the new thing is Javon and them.

So they're going to be watching Javon's back. But so now that Javon, Jey Uso, One's worried about LA Night, one's worried about the vision. It's a lot happening. It's a lot happening dude. But I'm interested to see where this is going to go.

I mean, look, Tez and Seth posted that banger photo on Twitter. Like, it was like a belly movie poster. How many want it? How would you read it? you know, so we'll we'll see where that goes.

And then we have OBA. Against Dom to see who goes to the finals. And uh We love Dom. Yeah. Been said, he's got it.

He knows where the spare key is. But yeah, that was quick work for the ruler, Oba Femi. And he moves on to the finals where he is going to take on the winner of Javon Evans and Jay Uso. Interesting. Interesting matchup.

You're gonna have to probably think that Jay's gonna come out on top there. Right? You would think so. And that leads to a whole lot of possibilities, O'Shea. Jackson Jr., my friend, does that mean that Brock Lesnar comes out and interfers and stops Oba?

Does that mean the bloodline comes out if Jay is successful in beating Javon? Maybe that's a path to get us to Oba and Roman. You know, if the bloodline comes out and tries to, you know, like I said, the possibilities, there's just some possibilities there for some good stuff. I'm interested to see where this goes. Yeah, it's um you know, I would I would definitely think LA Night is going to see how close Jey Uso is.

Yeah. And he's going to. He's going to interfere. I would think that would happen. Before Jay is able to get to the finals.

Maybe so. Maybe so. And then once the finals happens, I fully feel like Brock Lesnar is going to come out and. Stop all that. Boy!

Uh I've been wrong every damn round.

So what's the problem? I don't know what's going on, guys. I'm just a fan. We're just a pair. We're just like y'all.

We are y'all, except we're here and you're there. That's it.

So, yeah, we got Oba waiting on the winner of Javon and Jay. And then we got Live against Charlotte's about to go on. We've got EO waiting for the winner of that match. Liver Charlotte to go against EO for the Queen of the Ring. And of course, the winners, the King and the Queen, will get.

Title shots.

So yeah, let's uh let's see how this goes. I gotta tell you the details. Uh off camera.

Okay. But just because there's a bunch of people who are hammering for us. Um I have an update on something. Can you share it now? Yeah.

So I got a direct link to a certain superstar. I didn't hear anything. You got a direct link? Yes. Got a uh I got some update on that.

Okay. I've been given a date. Uh it cannot be our one hundredth. But I've been given a date. I told you that for weeks.

100 would be great, but if it's 98, it still won't be great. Hey. I've been giving a date.

So, what are you saying, man? What are you saying? I'm just saying.

It is a it has now gone into the 85% range. That's pretty passive. That's pretty big. I mean, you still, you're not really telling me much. There's nothing confirmed because I got to tell you off.

I'll tell you off.

Okay, well, this whole thing could have waited off the camera.

Now they're going to be aware of the war. No, no, no, no. Exactly. They should be. You should watch every episode of No Contest because.

I've been given a date. All right.

You know, we've been, you know, captivating this caper, like they say, for a while.

So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Am I still a client? Because I haven't gotten a Christmas card.

I haven't gotten a Christmas card in a while. Just keep showing up. Just keep showing up to the event. By the way, my book, That's What She Said by TJ Jefferson, where I, you know, that made me a client of WME, it's available out there. That's what she said.

I'm trying to sell some books. Why wasn't I? Quickly, though, some cool things. I was watching AEW Collision. Speaking of a match that people need to see, Kevin Knight, Myron Reed, for the TNT Championship.

That match was fired. Fire. Make sure, do yourself a favor. Even if this is over, go to YouTube. If you're probably watching it on YouTube.

Great match. Great, great match. Loved it. Congrats to the bruv Will Ospreay. He and Alex Windsor.

They tied the knot. They are officially. Married and uh tonight, you know, we have Dynamite, and you've got Mark Briscoe and MJF. They're going to pick their teams.

Okay, there is going to be a six-on-six cage match. Um We're Mark Briscoe, MJF, Forbidden Door. Reach for the sky. If Briscoe's team wins, he'll get a future title match against MJF. And I think there's going to be a six on six tonight.

They're just giving it away.

So I can't wait to watch this. What else we got going on? Tecla. You know how I feel about Tecla, man. She is ready to merc whoever comes from Stardom.

She actually spit in her hand and said that her spit was worth more than stardom. And then she wiped her hand on Tony Schiavone's jacket. Apparently, they're going to put that up for auction. I might have to bid on that. Uh yeah.

Anyway, so uh that's yeah, man, that's it. Yeah, that's what a weird it's probably my Favorite episode because we hell got our house broken into. Just like, yeah, we got somebody in the meeting room. And it was A. J.

Francis to kind of yell at us about soccer and uh And slammiversary with with a large.

So this has been uh it's been good man. It's been good. I'm having a good day. I hope the rest of the people are, but tell them where to find us. If they need to have a better place, before we go, real quick.

We don't have a full NXT breakdown, but you know, we saw Jada Parker against Natty last night. Oh, my God. Do they like Jada? I don't understand. By the way, Jada, whoever made that ring gear, congrats.

That was that's amazing. I'm not gonna spend too much time on that because I don't wanna get slapped. But yeah, man, I'm starting to wonder what is going on. W what what are we doing here? I mean.

Uh You know, I was all for daddy being a badass, but I thought that was on the main roster, not coming down NXT. And I hope there's a player for David. I thought she was gonna help. I don't like, I mean, no disrespect to that.

Well, sensei, sensei, you know, she is she is sensei, you know, like Nikita, Big Kakita, and Who else was with her? Not Izzy, but Carmen Petrovic, I think, was with him. But, you know, we're Jada Parker fans here unabashedly, and we just want to see better for her.

So, man, it's time. Like, when? If not now, then win. Right, right, right. Man shit.

Sorry, man.

Well. I want to apologize to last week. You know, we had a little bit of audio disturbance. You know, Our bad. I think we want to give y'all some bad audio.

Our bad, it happened. We had to put the episode together quickly, had to do it on Zoom. Guess what? It won't happen again because I got a mic. All right.

So don't worry about that. That was our bad. We apologize. But yeah. That's it for now, I guess.

Yeah, man. Well, tell them where they can find this controlled chaos thing. Yeah, this thing. He calls NCW. NCW.

So, if you want to listen to us for your airgate, you know, go wherever you listen to your podcast. We're on the ESPN app. Uh Spotify Amazon. Apple Where you listen to your podcast, you'll be able to find No Contest Wrestling. If you're on social media, make sure you go to Twitter, which.

We are at There's No Contest on Instagram. We're No Contest Wrestling Podcast. On TikTok, we're No Contest Wrestling Pod. And of course, if you want to watch this, because why wouldn't you want to see us? Yeah, you can go to the YouTube page, the Rich Eisen Show YouTube page, simply type in No Contest Wrestling Podcast, and you'll be able to see all of our episodes from episode one to episode 90, which is not my brother.

We've done 90.

Well, technically we've done 89, 88 because we've had two like year-end, but regardless of 90 episodes of this podcast, man, and it's kind of unbelievable that we got to this point. Yeah, man, we got uh It's a beautiful thing, man. I can't wait to get you 100. We are still trying to make it an extravaganza for you guys. And you know, we're gonna do it.

You know, we got your back. Uh it might either be I might even make Phil call in for at least 15. Give us 15, Phil. You know, without him, who knows where we would be. Right.

That's it.

Selling fruit under Sepulveda. But I appreciate you guys so much. I hope you guys have a good day. Matter of fact, I hope y'all have a great day, but not too great. Who the hell you think you are?

Bye, Miss Parker. You know, she threw up a peace sign on Twitter today. I don't like that. What's that mean? What's that mean?

Jenna Parker doesn't like peace. Jenna Parker and Peace don't even go together. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that at all. You have to drop a dime on somebody.

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