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Coming up. ESPN play-by-play announcer Chris Fowler. Two-time Emmy Award-winning actor Tony Hale. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number two of the Rich Rising Show is on the air here on this very busy Monday.
Game three of the NBA Finals is tonight on ABC and the Disney family of networks. Monica McNutt, who calls the Knicks games locally for ESPN Radio and New York, was just on an hour number one. The news out of college football is that Brendan Sorsby has been cleared to play for Texas Tech. By a Lubbock Texas judge saying that he's allowed to do it, even though he bet on. Sports bet on his own team, bet on a ton of stuff.
He's gone through rehab and says he's a better person for it. Man, is that a highly controversial decision that makes you think there really are no rules in college football? There's nobody really. At controls of that wheel. Josh Pate will be on in hour number three to talk about it.
And the very funny and delightful Tony Hale, who's in Toy Story 5. The latest Pixar film from Disney. He's gonna be here in studio in hour number three. But joining me now is a dear friend of mine who's got something very personal. That's in the shoot for ESPN.
And it's a Sports Center feature that's coming on Father's Day. Chris Fowler, Finding My Father. Talking about discovering audio tapes recorded by his dad before passing away. Due to cancer, that's going to be airing on Father's Day, and my buddy is back here on the Rich Island Show. How are you, Chris Fowler?
Good to see you, sir.
Okay. Thank you, Rich. Happy anniversary to you and Susie. Thank you. I appreciate that.
It was 23 years ago yesterday. I saw the posts. Lovely. Thank you. Yeah, no, this is a very interesting project for me.
It's been a long time in the making. I was 16 when my dad died. He was recording tapes to hopefully. Create a book about his experiences as a cancer sufferer, lessons he was learning. But nobody found those tapes for a few decades.
And my mom passed away. We found them in this dusty basement. She was kind of a pack rack, and there was an old cardboard box filled with cassette tapes that my brother and Drew found. And at that moment, I sort of. began to realize Maybe something special was possible with these because I had distant memories of him, but hadn't heard his voice in a long time and really felt rich, as a lot of people do who lose a parent young, that you didn't really.
Get to know them, right? And they certainly didn't get to know you as a fully formed person. Never saw any of my career. died before I went to CU, which is where he also went to school. Finding and listening to these tapes.
Gradually 'Cause it was kinda heavy. Yeah. I I poured a a little glass of Very fine, Pappy Van Winkle, and sat in my mountain house late at night and listened to them. Because I really wasn't sure what to expect. And it was about 10 hours of content, and it blew me away and it set me on this path of wanting to learn a lot more about him.
And the result of that is this feature you talked about. What'd you learn, bud? We're very different people, man. I learned that, you know, like a lot of people, a lot of especially, I guess, busy dads who give a lot of himself to their job, his students, he was a college professor, theater professor, theater director, got to see sides of him that I never did. and got to learn things from him.
But I didn't get to learn. And it was very gratifying. His students are now in their 70s, so they have conversations with them about how he's still. Was making an impact on their lives with stuff that he had taught them when they were college kids. And that's a great source of pride.
I have never really heard anybody say those things to me because I haven't had any contact with people for many, many years who actually. known him firsthand. You know, a lot of the family friends have died away and One of them was Joyce DeWitt, though. You remember Joyce as Three's company star. Of course.
Joyce Stewart, you know, Janet. Was a dear family friend. My dad directed her in Summerstock Place way before she got cast and became a star at Free's Company. And she. Agreed.
I hadn't talked to her in about 40 years.
So you did find her. Because you did reach out to her down. You know, because you were in search of. Joyce DeWitt, which is an interesting sort of after-school special, it sounds like, more than a sports center piece that you're putting together, but you did find her, huh? Yeah, she's the life of Lovely.
She had stepped away from show business well out of the spotlight after Reese's company went away and lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico. And I hadn't talked to her since I was a kid. It was surreal for her to hear this. 63-year-old guy talking to her on the phone that she remembered as a kid. And when I was given a purple.
Satin Three's Company tour jacket. We watched a taping of the show. She was so kind, though, Rich. My dad died. We went out to Malibu and then hung out at her beach house, which I thought was the coolest place in the world to live and saw the show.
So after all these years, Okay. tracked her down, sat down with her, and she told me that He was the best and favorite director she'd ever worked with: stage, TV, film. And that was like a lightning bolt for me. I just, it was, it was so nice to hear that. And as I began to get to know more about him, the impact that he had on people, that was a pretty crucial piece, pretty cool piece, too.
Well, I don't want to get into spoiler alert country here with your piece, Chris Fowler Finding My Father, an 8 a.m. hour sports center. feature on Father's Day. Um Did he in any of these tapes talk to you directly? Chris?
You know, it's interesting, Rich. He was not speaking to me or my brother Drew directly. He was speaking to someone he hoped would be a fellow creative to write the book. And I went through a lot of this. I'm going to be honest.
I listened to 10 hours of content and I talked to my brother about this and said, Wait. Where are we in this? Why aren't we in more of this? And I think he was, we were separated as a family. You know, this is a long time ago when telephones were things that sat on the kitchen wall with a long cord, right?
And there was no email, and there was no FaceTime. And so we talked like once a week. We're very divided as a family. He's in Colorado getting treatment. We're in Pennsylvania finishing the school year.
And I don't think we were, he was missing us desperately. And that was on the tapes. But I think that. you know families that That deal with cancer now, I believe, are more transparent. They share more, and the kids are let in on more information.
That's my impression from dealing with a lot of families who struggle with cancer. We were kept kind of in the dark. And I think the strategy in the 70s was: let kids be kids, don't burden us with all that.
So I was learning by listening to the tapes. You know, just what kind of hell he was going through and how deeply depressed and lonely he was. And, you know, there's things that shocked me when I heard the tapes. It'll be in the future, but I just didn't understand. I don't think.
anybody maybe other than my mom understood. How dark and deep that place was. And that in that era, people didn't share a lot about. What they were going through. You know, the examples of our dear friend Stu Scott.
Jimmy V, Dick Belt by Talm, so many others, far too many people we know, including those who aren't famous. are now more willing to share. their journey, their path, what they're learning. And I think that in that In that era, that just wasn't the case.
Well, I mean, you lost your dad decades ago, Chris. You know, I lost my dad six years ago. Um and I feel like I I He's with me every day, and what I do for a living, or how I am with Susie, my wife, and my kids and how I handle my business with others. And I know, you know, you are deeply devoted to your wife, Jennifer. And you do what you do for a living.
Having learned more about your dad, do you have any insight on how he lives in through you? A little bit more? That's a good question. We're really different. I mean, obviously, what he did as an actor and a theater director is somewhat related to what I do, but he talks about how much.
He craved fame and he was a little narcissistic. I like to think that I've got that. At bay. But yeah, I just didn't get into this to be famous. It just wasn't important to me.
I never wanted to be the center of attention at every cocktail party I go to. And that was kind of him. He was a performer.
So you wrestle with this, and you had the great. Privilege to know your dad as a fully formed person. And so many more questions are out there when you don't. And you wonder: okay, this guy is different from me. Very theatrical.
It sounds like. Olivier or John Gilgood narrating sometimes. It is quite interesting. He didn't speak to us that way. And I thought, wow, like, Would we have been buddies?
But we have been friends. We have things in common, but we have a lot of really distinct personality differences.
So, those kinds of questions kind of come up. And I love him. He was a great dad. And, like I said, he left a piece of himself with a whole lot of other people and made. Their lives better through his wisdom and his example.
And that's gratifying. But again, I think Drew and I both feel like. It would have been cool to have more first-hand experience in those areas, right? 8 a.m. hour Sports Center on Father's Day.
Make a note right now. Chris Fowler finding my father, Chris, here on The Rich Eisen Show for the radio audience. A beautiful backdrop of your spot in New York City. Place is lit, right? That city is lit right now.
There is a little bit of buzz in the streets, man. I was down near the garden yesterday playing paddle, and the whole area is just on fire. There's just an energy on the streets, Rich. You know the city well. You go out, and the other night when the game was in San Antonio, every bar was full.
The streets were packed, nick gear everywhere. You know, as New Yorkers, They're not, we got this, it's over, get out the room. Just, you know, you want to say, there they go. You want to say easy, you know what I mean? Because I was in the garden in 94.
When the Rangers are trying to win the Sand Lake Cup and end that 54-year draft, 3-1 lead over Vancouver, it's a celebration. We got this. 60 minutes of hockey, the cup is ours. Bost. Back to Vancouver.
lost. Game seven was the most Crackling with tension building I've ever been in, man. You know how hockey is, every goal, people are holding their breath. And finally, when Rangers protected the lead and the clock ran out, there was this explosion of emotion. One of the most Profound things I've ever seen.
I even like the Rangers, and they don't like the Knicks either. But if they get that done here at the garden, I think it's going to be a really cool thing for the city. And Wemby will have his time. I like Wemby too, but he's got time. This is the Knicks time, I think.
Yeah, it feels that way. But you never know, as you pointed out, things aren't done until it's done. I think it goes back to San Antonio 3-1. I'll say that right now. I think the Spurs are going to go home, still alive in this series.
And then the Knicks are probably going to have to try to win it in six. That's that would be my uh my fan prediction. Yeah, that's what uh TJ and I said before before the series it would be Knicks in six. Chris said uh Spurs in seven. It's entirely possible on all that.
Uh also lit is the college football world today, Chris. Um You know, Brendan Sworesby getting. Another year at Texas Tech as a Lubbock. Texas judge chimes in and Throws down an injunction, and the general sense from Charlie Baker to A lot of our colleagues, when you look at it, is that there are no rules in college football. Do you have an opinion on this?
Chris? College football is filled with upsets. The fact that a Lubbock judge ruled that way, I would not call an upset. I think you can find a judge. To create an injunction for or against anything in the world.
And it didn't surprise me. Gambling is a pretty serious thing. It should be taken really seriously by anybody who's in charge. As you said, the problem is no one is in charge of college football.
So maybe there's other chapters to happen. I mean, I never take pleasure in seeing a dude make a big mistake and then have it cost in his career. But there are consequences for these things. I would expect at this point, I guess he'll be on the field, but there may be another chapter to happen. Chris, I appreciate the time here, man.
Enjoy. Your downtime while you have it. What's next for you? Obviously, I didn't get to be in New York for a game for me. We're flying to Europe tonight.
Nobody told me months ago when we planned a trip to Slovenia. The Knicks are going to be playing this night in the garden, so it saves me the trouble of having to spend for a ticket. But then I come back, we go to Wimbledon. Wimbledon is coming up really quick, and that's it's, as you know, near and dear to me, and my favorite event to cover.
So Yeah, it's be a fine summer. It's very finally breaking through here, right? I mean, as everybody. I mean, retired or got hurt or got knocked out. I mean, that was a weird French Open, to say the least.
It was a wild but compelling French Open. You had a lot of storylines, two new Grand Slam winners. Bira Andreva at 19, everybody thought this was going to happen sooner than later. Visevera was 10 years older than that. And people doubted it would ever happen.
I don't believe in asterisks, you know, in any sport. He didn't play center. Obviously, Alcarez out, didn't play Djokovic, but he was by far the best player in this tournament. He's been close on that core. He ripped his ankle apart a few years ago, lost to Alcairaz in a heartbreaker two years ago.
It was his time. And I, regardless of what people think of him personally, and he still is a somewhat polarizing figure because of his off-the-court stuff, a lot of people in tennis are happy that he got it and feel like it's deserved at this point. He's certainly. Confered some of his own demons to get over the finish line on that final yesterday.
Well, if you want anything to watch on the flight, there's a new show called This Was Sports Center out. I enjoyed the Dan Patrick. I feel like I want to re-record our interview. I don't know if I brought it as strong as Dan Patrick. No, no, no.
I mean, we recorded our This Was Sportsman. There's a nice photograph of it. Here we go. From January. You stopped by the studio after coming back from the Australian Open on the way to calling Super Bowl 60 for the international feed.
Um, and yeah, Dan Dan brought it. There was a lot of uh conversation, but you were great too, man. I mean, and that I enjoyed it immensely, man. I thought it would just to be with you and talk about those times. It's a great series.
I'm looking forward to seeing all the episodes. And yes, I do. I need to, I need to pass the time for an hour and a half ride to the airport today. That's what they're telling me it's going to take.
So I'd be happy to watch with Jennifer in the car. Yeah, I think she'll get a kick out of it since obviously she lived through these times as well. You know, maybe, maybe I should, should I do a show called This Was Body Shaping for her? I think I do that. Oh, she's yelling no.
She opened the door from another room and started yelling no. She was in there doing her final packing and she just froze. Uh-oh, no, we're not doing that. Don't worry about it. We could do that.
Only if you interview all of them. You got to get Rick Valenti, you got to get Kendall Guiana. Sure.
Well, I mean, I think some of the other guys in the studio wouldn't mind interviewing some of them from back in that day. Oh, God. But yeah, your episodes are coming up. It's an intensely important show, Rich. It carried ESPN on that morning block for a long time.
I got it. It helped build up ESPN too when they were launching that network too. Slow it down. Can't forget to say that. No, absolutely.
Jennifer's a factor. There's no doubt about that. And we showed this photograph during the Dan Patrick episode when it was brought up. This was 23 years ago yesterday, Chris. There you are with Jennifer next to DP.
The mighty Peter Gammons, there's Stew and Susie Calber and Terico and Terico's down there yet. What an amazing photo. Oh, yeah. That was 23 years ago yesterday at Susie, the wedding of Susie and yours truly, right here. You got to send that to me.
I want a high-res image of that. That's a beautiful picture. That was a great, great night. In Central Park, in 23 years. Wow.
23 years. We're 26 during this trip.
So it's. It's a scary thing, the passage of time, my friend. All right, I know. But hey, listen, some of us age better than others, as you clearly are showing. Have a great trip.
Enjoy it. We'll chat again soon. I appreciate you in advance of doing this with Sports Center. I do believe it does coincide with Wimbledon because we're all about the. The branding and the promotion here on ESPN.
Well, I think Father's Day is a good fit. It'll be online the day after, and I think a lot more people will see it online than will see it when it actually airs. But thanks for allowing me to talk about this. It's really, really important to me. Appreciate it.
Fowler Finding My Father. That airs in the 8 a.m. hour. On Father's Day Sports Center on ESPN. Travel safe, man.
Best to Jennifer if she's still listening. There you go.
So she's listening.
Okay, very good. Jennifer Fowler. Although she was Jennifer Dempster on the body ship. This was body shaping. Rich, I have an announcement.
I'm starting a new podcast. This was Body Shaping. Me and TJ are hosting debuting next summer. All right. There you go.
He's not joking. There goes Chris. Say it again. He's not joking. We're serious about it.
First episode. Jennifer Fowler. All right, very good. Yes. And again, Chris Fowler, finding my father.
Make sure, make a note of that right now, please, everybody. All right, we take a break when we come back. More of your phone calls. Josh on the team.
Sorry. Josh Pate will join us in hour number three about the Brendan Saresby story before Tony Hale joins us. You're watching The Rich Eisen Show or listening to it here on this Monday. Uh The Rich Eisen Show Podcast. A bandwagon fan.
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What's up, Jerry? You there, Jerry? Hello, sir. What's going on, sir? Hey.
Uh two things for you. First ep uh first episode of the new show. Mm-hmm. Stova. Thank you.
And I didn't know you Staten Island guys threw around the F-bomb like that. Makes me very happy.
Well, that was part of my upbringing, Jerry. Oh, but Dan dropped a couple, too, and he's from Dayton. You know, he's from Ohio. Yeah, I know, but I'm from Brooklyn. That's it, Jerry.
Makes me happy that us Brooklyn ain't the only ones doing that. That's right. That's right. Are you excited for game three tonight, Jerry? That was the other thing.
I got to apologize for doubting the now Nicks. You know, I don't know. Damn, they came through.
So far? Halfway done. Not to go Phil Kobe Bryant. Is the job finished? Job's not finished.
Halfway, maybe, but I think Legrand Orange is going to kill the juju tonight. Thank you, Jerry. That's Jerry in Columbus, Ohio. A blue dot there in the red state calling into the program. That's what I'm saying.
I that was one of the things that I told you before the show, you and Hoskins, how much I enjoyed it. And I use language that I can't use on air about how much I enjoyed it. But I did like the fact that you guys like. Hearing you guys just speak like two guys and not having to edit yourselves and just the cursing to me drew me in. Listen, it wasn't a lot, but it kept it real.
And I appreciate you saying that about the Dan Patrick debut episode of this with Sports Center because I want everyone to understand that. I've been trying to do this show for a long time, but I didn't know how to do it. The it being a show that takes everyone down memory lane. Back in the day, About Sports Center. Because I was generally overwhelmed any time I'm I'm at like say a A um A school event, people coming up to me, you know, hey, I used to watch you when I was going off to school in the morning, or hey, I used to watch you when I got home drunk from a bar, or hey, I used to watch you in the middle of the night in college.
And I'm like, there's something here where people kind of want to remember. But how will I do it if I don't have the rights to use the name Sports Center or the video of Sports Center or the music or anything like that?
So when this show. open the door to a return. The first thing I thought of was, I want to do this. And to the credit of every single executive that I mentioned it to, They were like, do it. Including Jimmy Petaro, who's at the very tippy top.
And I did say, I'm like, you know what, the idea is to do it, but we're going to talk about when things weren't going great. But just understand what the general sense of it is going to be. Nostalgia, but sometimes the nostalgia amongst us sports center anchors isn't great. And to the credit of Him and You know, I'll mention them all, Burke Magnus and Dave Roberts, Mike Foss. They were all like, just do it.
And so, to your point, TJ, when it was talking about things. Off camera. about what it was like to be competitors. within that building amongst each other. For sports center chairs or spots, or what it was like to battle with management.
Um I just said go for it. And Dan did. He did. He was very honest. There were some raw moments where we were both sharing.
And um and I've gotten some responses and You know, mostly positive, and I appreciate you saying that because it is a labor of love, it's very, very personal. to me and to Dan and that that's what I wanted to bring here. And again, Mike Hoskins, who's our coordinating producer here on this show, is the producer and editor. And the idea is to put as much eye candy of nostalgia on the screen.
So episode two just dropped today. Yeah. And Chris Berman is the guest. Chris and I sat down on the stage of the Strand Theater in downtown San Francisco on the Wednesday Wednesday of Super Bowl Sixty week. in front of a Uh a gathering.
in that theater. And it was over an hour. You guys were there. And now we're finally showing that. As episode two of this with Sports Center, less of that raw talk and more conversations about things like nicknames.
Here you go. Did you always do your nicknames? The pitching thin box will be without Ross. Here we go. I never promise you a bum garden.
Terry Swimming Pool drove in all three runs for the Astros. He has won the vote of reliever Rick Summer Camp. Jim 2 silhouettes on Deshays. Don, welcome Mattingly with a drive in the right field corner off Joe actual retail price. The nicknames, Rich, were going back to Brown.
You'd look at box scores, not, you know, for three hours at night, but I'd make a few nicknames and we'd just laugh. I was always kind of a nickname guy. Boom! With the bases loaded. Bill Doran Doran, hungry like a wolf with the Grand Slam home run.
You know, I did not invent Babe Ruth. I've been asked that. That wasn't me.
Now we're in like May of 1980, and then you're out there at 2:30 in the morning, and that's my shift. The first one was either Frank Tanata was a really good pitcher. Frankton and a Daiquiri. Or John Mayberry was a nice first baseman. And May John Mayberry RFD was one of those two came out, and I got, we wear an earpiece called an IFB, and they said.
I got my ear in the middle and said, what was that? And we got to the commercial and the camera people were laughing. Nobody got hurt. I said, you know what? Tomorrow night, I'm going to try a couple more.
And then, I mean, it's quarter to three. The boss isn't awake. And. They were organic. Through the 80s, I'd get lists from fans, and maybe some of you sent them in.
If I laughed at any of them, they were used the next night. It was Mike Pepperoni Piazza. Luis Speedy Gonzalez scores, Juan Going Gonzalez, Jeff Conine the Barbarian, Scott Supercala, Fragilistic, Expiala Brochus. And it was organic, Rich, I swear. And I mean, there are over a thousand of them.
This was Sports Center out now. That's indeed out now.
So great. There's a clip of it on Facebook right now, and it already has nearly a thousand likes. I'm so appreciative of the reaction. Um Instagram and Threads X TikTok, all of them, and obviously our YouTube I w I w our YouTube comments I actually am reading them. Don't read the comments.
Well, no, normally I don't, but it's personal for a lot of people. That's the idea of it. Mike Greenberg's episode's coming out Friday. That's the next one. But the Chris Berman episode, this was Sports Center, presented by Gusto.
Check it out. Again, it means a lot to me. And hopefully it does to you too. I tell you my favorite part of the Dan, which one? When he uh Oh, yeah.
That only laughed.
Well, it was Bob Hardy. Yeah. You know, a long time exactly. I remember when Keith used to do that. Keith would do that a lot.
Oh, you know, when he would do that, when it was like an error through the whip, it's like, Yeah. Hello! But also, you know, as a Dan Patrick fan, you got to sit there and just like hearing his story again.
Some I knew, some I didn't, but the fact that he went and he bet on himself, he left. Yeah. The SPN, 'cause he went to go see with the family and he's like, I went to my attic. Like, who would have ever thought that would have worked? And it did, and it's still working to this day.
It's like. Yeah, it's like the that type of story resonates should resonate with anyone who comes to a crossroad and Feels like They want better for themselves. Just, you know, you got to believe in yourself. Dan told that story, and I thought. 'Cause he said that in re response to me talking about how I Found out I was no longer with the SPN 10 days before my wedding.
My 23rd anniversary was yesterday. Susie and I celebrated 23 years in marriage on Sunday. And. She and I watched as there was an empty table at the wedding of ESPN executives who said yes to coming until I was no longer with the company, and then they ghosted. Wow.
And it was a tough moment for me. And I mentioned that and Dan's like, well, yeah, well, you went to NFL Network. I went to an empty attic. I'm like, are we now going to try and top each other? Competitive.
That's what he said at the end because I told him, like, you've won, basically. You've done what you set out to do. And then he Basically, said, I'm already searching for the next thing to do, and he's because he's really competitive. And I can confirm that he's really competitive. And same thing with Stewart, the stuff he was talking about with Stewart, my goodness.
I love that story because, you know, a lot of times you're Stewart, it's all like, you know, fun stuff. And there's Dan where the guy's like, nah, we liked him, but we were competitive with we did not like each other at that time. You got to appreciate the realness. We were real. He was real.
And that's why Fowler is like, I saw a man. I want to redo my episode because I don't think I was as real. Just different different times, different experiences, and that's what we're gonna. Go through them all.
So again, I appreciate that. That's all out there on Disney Plus, the ESPN app, my show's YouTube page, our show's YouTube page, pardon me. And however, you listen. If you want to listen, great. Because I know that's the way people take in Shows and conversations.
Yeah, but you guys want to watch this. Listening, it's cool, but you have to see it. You have to see the old clips, the things that you and that Mike found to put in this. Yeah. Like, it's just you two sitting there across from each other because every time you do that, people love it.
For over the years, since I've been associated with you, also working on Dan Show a little bit, anytime you guys get together, people just absolutely love your connection.
So listening, it's cool, but you got to go to YouTube, guys, and just chit and peep it. Thank you. I appreciate that. And Hoskins already found some stuff for the greenie episode I didn't know about. Oh.
I did not know it. He was on the I'll say it. I didn't know this until. Mike hit me on a text yesterday because he's putting that together right now. Um Greene was on the set live for Tony Gwynn's three thousandth hit.
Hmm, I don't know that.
So that moment where some of the Berman stuff of the draft is really, really good. Mel Kuiper looking young, young, young. Let's take a quick phone call and then a break here. Jeff in Detroit. What's up, Jeffrey?
Jeff. What's going on up? What's happening, cousins? Ice second. TJ's emotion.
When you guys sit down and chop it up, it's the best thing in the world. First of all, happy anniversary to you and the lovely Sue.
So when she fills in for you, it's like the substitute teacher that you're in love with. You always love seeing. Accept that? I kid you not. Not a problem.
So she accepts that too. Oh, no. Number one. New York fans, slow down. Pistones were up 2-0 and you see what happened.
I want them to complete the task. What we're witnessing right now is a phenomenon. If Wimby is an alien, the Knicks are men in black. I kid you not. I have never seen an entire city.
Outside watching the game on buildings, in the back of cars, in bodecas. T V out front. I mean, it was a box truck that had a sheet draped over it to make a instant big screen T V. New Yorkers are going in and I mean I wanna go We're losing Jeff in Detroit. Because I've never seen anything, a whole city outside.
Man, that's something spectacular. It's a phenomenon, man. Which is why it's a, you know, people are saying it's a problem that that's not happening tonight due to security. It's me. Thanks for the call, Jeff.
I appreciate that. By the way, if the Knicks are the men in black. If the Spurs and the Aliens come back to win it, I need one of those devices to erase my memory so I don't remember it. Erase your thingies. Spoiler alert.
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He's been here a lot.
Okay. Love it. Because we always have to go. You know, it's tough to go veep with him. Because you can't repeat.
Half of that show on this set. It's one of the funniest shows ever. Maybe ever, yeah. Ever. Um Arresting development though man.
There's something wrong with those people. Not the Bluth family, the people who are writing for that show. By the way, I also saw Henry Winkler's on the schedule to release next week. Yeah, really? A few hours ago, I saw him.
In studio? Yeah. Yes, sir. I got real excited when I looked up. I've never met him.
Well, this is his email. We're going to reach out to him, don't we? Mahomes? Yeah. Yeah.
Huh? All right. You just saw him. I know. I got to cultivate that caper.
I didn't know Henry was going to be on, otherwise I would have asked him on the spot. I mean, that might be the greatest moment of Henry's life if Mahomes calls it. You know what I mean? It was definitely one of the great show moments when he just went off and was like, Patrick Mahomes.
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Okay. I am no legal expert.
Okay, thank you. My brother is.
Okay, he's the lawyer in the family. And I did get an honorary sports law degree from Tulane. Yeah. From Gabe Feldman. who I spent many a moon with on NFL Network talking about the lockout.
But Gabe gave it to me. Forgot to sign it.
So I don't think I've done it. Not real. But I've got a set of eyes. And ears. And this Brandon Saresby rule.
Ruling from a Lubbock, Texas judge. Saying Hey, the injunction you wanted. The plane? Here in uh for Texas Tech. You got it.
There it is. There we go. You went through the rehab, and hopefully, you have uh redeemed yourself, and you've come through a better human being. I dunno the legalese here. on which we assume This judge has based A ruling?
But it stinks to high heaven. That's what it just does. It just seems to stink. You know? We've already seen the argument between the NCAA, right, and The uh all miss quarterback.
Mm-hmm. Once extra years No, no, no.
Okay, here's a local judge saying, Yeah, you can play full miss. You can get your what is it a seventh year of eligibility for Chambliss? Is that what it is? Again, whatever. Six, seven years.
I just did it.
Okay. Sorry. Six, seven. Ugh, my kids hate that. But It's just the latest example of who the hell is in charge.
A guy who's supposedly in charge took to Twitter to Complain about it. Charlie Baker, everybody, formerly. He's still got the MA in his uh his His handle. former governor of Massachusetts. There's no better example of why targeted intervention from Congress is necessary.
When you have schools and deep-pocketed supporters willing to look the other way on the glaring integrity threat of betting on your own team and judges whose rulings Effectively strip away our ability to stop them. Only Congress can equip the NCAA to apply this common sense rule to everyone fairly and consistently. The Protect College Sports Act would empower the NCAA to enforce rules, including the gambling restrictions. It's needed now more than ever. Oh, of course, if there's anything that sports fans would need or Would desire to make them feel like things aren't rigged or fixed, it would be this Congress.
This House of Representatives charming, in. Like, what do you think is gonna really happen? And it's gonna really fix everything? Congress, really? I don't know who it's going to be.
I don't know who the heck it's gonna be. I've already nominated uh Greg Sankey for the role. I've told him straight to his face on this show. I don't know. He wants to wrestle that alligator.
But it's going to take the SEC and the Big Ten. And some television executives. I don't know who they are. They're they're residing in Bristol, Connecticut. or Pico Boulevard here in Los Angeles.
Yep.
Okay. Come in a r get in a room and come up with rules for this sort of stuff. And for schools that have the same and conferences the same issues. The same issues about scheduling, the same issues about name, image, and likeness, same issues about the portal, same issues about revenue. And you put them in a boat.
and say you're in charge.
Now, who's in charge of which schools get on a boat and which schools can play their way on a boat. which schools can get relegated off the boat. That's it. and put it together in a way that passes legal muster. 'Cause I think somebody would get sued if they But file suit if they're left off the boat.
But at some point, this is going to have to happen, and force it in the court's hands. And I understand I'm just talking about Congress isn't going to come to the answer. And then you've got. A court Judge In Lubbock, Texas going, yeah.
Okay. You can play. And again, I don't know what the legal standing is. That's why we're going to have Josh Paid on. Hopefully, he's.
Got a better handle on it. But it makes everyone feel like there are no rules, there just aren't any. And it stinks. It stinks. Will it keep you from watching?
Probably not. Probably not. You know? I think, didn't Nick Saban appear before Congress recently and basically say, hey, we've got 25-year-olds competing against 18-year-olds? Right.
Because if Umpteen years of eligibility and portals, and it's more lucrative to get another year of eligibility than go to the NFL? There's a lot wrong. There's a lot wrong. I just don't think Congress has the um What's the words I'm trying to use here? I just don't think Congress has the Cohesion?
No, no, no, it's the cohesion. The bipartisan cohesion, to under and and or or the desire or the people who occupy the offices the desire and the time to actually study these issues. And come up with an intelligent answer that a bipartisan group can come. Together on. Right.
I just don't think they're gonna also Figure it out. It's got to be people who are boots on the ground, who know everything about it, and do have a general sense. wanting to fix it. That's what I'm thinking. I think that's it.
The how-to, the want-to. Just doesn't seem to be there. And you know, for the NFL teams that th thought that this kid Sourceby would be available for a um Supplemental draft, that doesn't look to be the case. And I hope he's cleaned himself, cleaned up his. His uh issues.
You know? I hope he's cleaned up his issues. Yeah, so think of the uh what's all said and done, he gets a two game suspension and then just has to stay and go to more counseling.
Okay. For 2,900 bets for more than $30,000. And I'm I might get while I was at Indiana, and he was betting on Indiana games. And I may get some pushback. Rich, you don't know the legal issues.
I may hear from agents, I may hear from lawyers. That This was a fully well thought out and properly adjudicated injunction. Based on his legal standings in the United States of America. And if that's the case, Then so be it. With the way everything is going right now.
It's a general sense of system is off. And There are no rules. And there's nothing uniform. The only thing that's uniform are the jerseys that are being worn. Right.
That's it. And there's a different set of rules for this school, or that conference, or that state, or that area. And this jurisdiction And there's no sense of reining it in and figuring out and making it better for fans. And players And coaches And universities. There just doesn't seem to be that general sense.
Everybody's out for themselves.
So Josh Pate's about to join us. He's gonna Try and make heads or tails of all this. And then we'll go back into the toy department, literally. Toy Story 5. Forky himself.
Forky. Is going to be here. Tony Hale back on the Rich Isen Show in hour three. The Rich Eisen Show Podcast. Mm-hmm.
