Exclusive Interview with Comedian Brad Williams

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Oh, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Wednesday episode of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. I am the heel that you love to hate. I'm Shea Jackson Jr. Hey yo. It's me, it's me.

T double O T I double G. Too Jiggy, T.J. Jefferson, and I'm sitting here sad. I'm wearing an Oscar mask. I'm not happy right now, Shay.

I'm just not happy. Yeah, for our listeners. How y'all doing? Good to hear you. Good to see y'all, which we don't.

But my man TJ is rocking the Oscar mask right now. And You know, he was uh you were on my mind, man. When I seen Oscar. Hug EO the way she did. I said, huh, that's not normally the wrestling handshake.

that you usually see, and then I saw the tears in Oscar's face. How, uh How you doing? I'm not well.

Okay. Cause if you've watched Any episode of the No Contest Wrestling, but I'm gonna do it like Oscar does it. Uh never mind, it's stuck behind my head, regardless. If you watched any episode of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast 1 through 84, then you know how I feel about Asuka, right?

Something that I've said multiple times on many occasions. I bowed to the woman when I met her. Got down on my knees, told her, We're not worthy. To see all these releases happen, I get it. Like, I've been in corporate America before.

I understand that, you know, sometimes you have surpluses. I was surplused, not once, but. Twice, two times. I said two times. I got surplus, which meant you're out of a job, but yet I was able to hang on, you know, because I'm like that.

But yeah, so I.

So I get it. I get it. Like corporate America, there are people that unfortunately happen to lose their jobs. We don't know what happened with Asuka. We don't know if she is gone.

We don't know if she's just taking a break. We don't know if they asked her to take a pay cut and she said, peace. Yeah.

So I. I'm not going to sit here and do a whole like. Goodbye to my favorite wrestler. I'm just going to sit here. and kind of see how this plays out.

Because I don't want to do a whole uh you know emotional thing and then she's back in three weeks. But based upon what we know about wrestling, what we've seen in. from different people doing basically the same thing. It seemed like it wasn't so much as a You know, sometimes people write love letters in the ring, right? And we've said that before: like, this is a love letter to professional wrestling.

It seemed like what her and EO did. One was a love letter to wrestling. I can't believe they gave them that much time at Backlash. It was a great match, but also at the end, it seemed like after that love letter, it was a goodbye. There were the tears.

There were the hugs. And I felt it, man. I hadn't felt that emotional about a hug since. Ari and Sansa both got to wrap their arms around their brother Jon Snow in Game of Thrones after years. You know how emotional those hugs were, right?

It's how I felt when her and EO finally like put the beef aside, which EO didn't have beef, Oscar had beef, and they hugged each other. And I'm like, okay, maybe this was just a good match. And, you know, that's how they were feeling. Kyrie's gone. We know that probably had to affect both of them on their heart, their mind, and their soul.

But then Monday. When we saw Asuka and EO, and Asuka is saying how she just basically was looking for a replacement, someone to take over. And she said goodbye to EO and she walked out with her suitcase. Man, I was, I camp front. You know how I feel about Asuka.

She's not just my favorite woman's wrestler, she's my favorite wrestler. I was, Shay, I was, I was a little in my feelings a little bit, but again, I still don't know what this means. I haven't heard any official words, so I didn't allow myself to fully crash out or really get too sad about it, but I did not like what I saw. I saw, in my opinion, the greatest women's wrestler of all time walking out the doors. And We just don't know what what her situation is man, and it and it bothers me Yeah, it um Okay.

'Cause there isn't an official report That Asuka has retired.

Okay, I'm gonna put that down. Tells us a timetable for her departure. But it's something about those tears. Those tears tell a story. Those tears say I don't know when I'm coming back.

You know The I love you to the crowd. And Whatever it is. And I bet not find out it's TKO. But whatever it is. Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, she's gonna be gone for a minute. She's gonna be gone for a minute. It's that important that she is going to be gone for that long. We assume. We assume.

Um but That was our time to say goodbye. And I think the crowd was in shock of like, what are we looking at? Yeah.

Like, I know. I know we're not having a Lesnar moment right now.

Well, you know? Like I said, it's one thing to hug after a match, but then two days later, come back at a show. Yeah, and not even be on and just. Walk off with your suitcase, say saying the words that she said. Um without an official announcement of retirement.

The next time we hear that, yeah, that pop is going to be crazy, but it's going to be something super special, and it's going to be a long time down the line. Um, Immediately, my first thought was you. I was like, oh my God.

Now I gotta hear his mouth. Listen. But I was like, you know, you ain't talking. I know we texted, and I was like, I was gonna give you the floor because that's your girl. Um It is a changing of the guard.

Yeah.

That's what we're witnessing. Like in real, real time. John really set it off. Um With his retirement, and then AJ with the surprise, and then Brock with another surprise, and this one another surprise. I feel like I need to call Ray Mysterio and be like, listen, don't you do this to me.

I think we know. I think the writing's on the wall for that one, too. I think. I don't know if raise Here for much longer, either, man. And that, that's a bit troublesome, you know.

But what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to make sure I don't do is I'm not, I don't want to take my anger out on some of these new call-ups. No. Right. Because people are always going to say, oh, you let so-and-so go, but you kept so-and-so. That's all people are saying on social media.

And right now it looks like, you know, fatal influence. Are coming up and they're getting a huge push. And I gotta be honest, I've always been kind of like, whatever, you know, I'm not gonna lie. Good for them. I have respect.

You know, big Fallon Henley fan, though. That's a fact. Damn, burger. But I'm seeing people call them like the female shield and Had I read that At any other time that didn't evolve, it looked like Asuka is following Kyrie out the door, I wouldn't have reacted. But I think because I was already so mad.

About that, then I see people leaving comments like that. I had to, I got on once and I wrote something, then I deleted it because it wasn't necessary.

So I don't want to take my anger out on any of the new, the newbies because they deserve their shot too. But. How do you replace an Asuka, bro? She checks every single box.

Now, the one thing you can say is: all right, she doesn't cut great English promos. I think English is probably maybe her third language. Right. Half you people can't speak in English and you're from America.

So I don't want to hear about that. Hey, they're not here, man. They're not here, baby. I know you. I know it's a tough time right now.

You see what shirt I'm wearing. At the Kendall stick, I got my Oscar shirt. You know what I mean? Hold on, OG. I wore an Oscar shirt yesterday at the Rich Hodges show.

I wore Oscar today. I'm going to wear one tomorrow. I'm going to wear one on Friday. As you should, bro. I've wore an idiot shirt three weeks in a row.

That's idiots in theaters, August 28th. August 28th, 2026. There you go, because I didn't see if you could see the number there. But yeah, man.

So she checks all the boxes. If you want to give her a knock on the promo, fine. But I'm sure what she's saying in Japanese is fire. But when you look at the appearance, right? First things first, you look at someone, you look at her gear, her attire, how she's maintained.

Not even maintained, but how she's managed, I guess I should say, to constantly upgrade her look and her flow. Like every single year, there's something new. You know, she had the black under, you know, the black stripe. And then after that, a few years of that, she went to the full face paint. And she says that takes like an hour.

Her moveset. Her gear, just everything that would make you or should make you a great performer. She checks every box. She's just the best to me. And like I said, I'm going to pump my brakes.

I don't want to do a full crash out. I don't want to do a full, like, you know. Asuka filmography, I say a matchography where we break it down. But yeah, it was tough. It's tough to see some of the people that we like leave every year because there's always a few people that you sit and you go, man, why them?

But. You're talking about Asuka. We're talking about an A-plus player. We're talking about a 5-2 player if this was basketball. You know, we're talking like the Meryl Streep of pro wrestling.

You know what I'm saying? We're talking about the Serena Williams of professional wrestling. We're talking about the Lisa Leslie of professional wrestling. You know what I'm saying? We're talking about the top of the top.

So to see her walk out that door, man, I don't know. It gave me a good feeling and I I hope this company that's running Fings knows what they're doing, man. I really do. Yeah, I, you know, they. For those in the know, I was on the Arial Hawani.

Show this morning, and by the way, I'm exhausted, but I was on the show this morning and You know, I talked about it. I was like, TKO put themselves in a weird position where you start to look like. Suits. Yeah.

You start to look like the bottom line. Yeah, you just. bought this thing and like everybody there is a number. Instead of the people and what they bring, yeah. I said last week: you can't get so hot that you burn down our foundation, right.

And Like I said, this could have been in Oscar's mind for a minute. But I know it h still hurts. EO, she had a match with Sol Ruka. And in the beginning, it kind of felt like she was kind of showing Seoul. How she likes to wrestle.

But then it also like you skipped her entrance and it it it just kind of felt like Ea was sad. Yeah.

And when I look around the raw roster, Eo no longer has Rhea Ripley. EO no longer has Kyrie Sane.

Now She don't have her OG. EO don't have Asuka either? EO, who we've had damage controls, all of it. Yeah.

EO who's at the top of the mountain for a minute. You know, uh Being in WrestleMania, one of the biggest matches, that triple threat, one of the greatest matches ever. On our WrestleMania pre-show, I had that in my top 10 moments. Yeah, so like.

Now If it were, if it is a situation, if it is a TKO situation.

Now you have Messed with morale.

Now you got one of your top stars. And reports are alienated. She may have asked, they're saying Kyrie may have asked for her release. Asuka may have asked for some time off. That's why we're not.

That's what I'm saying. We're saying in a world where this was. A grimy situation. There's that. But in a world where this was Asuka's decision, we have to just wish her the best.

Yeah.

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I think this is the first time. Mm. And I would have to look back in my career as a wrestling fan, which sounds crazy, where I've seen so many legends leave so close together. Yeah, that's kind of an issue. That's.

A wave?

So you telling me Within a year. From December. To May. I lost John Cena, AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar, Asuka, and the New Day. Uh Yes.

And like And you want ratings to still be up. Yeah, I mean. That's crazy. That's insane. It's Troubling to say the least.

Um All things must come to an end. Who's it gonna be? Who's it going to be to step up? You know, you said, How do you replace Oscar? You don't.

You can't. You don't. You can't. She is one of the greatest of all time of any era. That's what all time means.

And uh yeah. It's um It's a window of opportunity. To all the call-ups, all of our NXT people getting called up. You know, this is it, this is time. I heard, I heard Michael Cole.

Michael Cole, I know you probably see the same thing that I see, but I also like to pretend like you watch no contest wrestling. But he called my girl Universe Soul. Oh, Roka. Ye call her young Lida. Oh, yeah, so now that's out there, and you know, she did her thing.

Love the match with her and EO, loved how it finished too, because I thought she botched it. No, that's a veteran move by EO play little possum. I'm EO Sky, yeah. Do that move, cool. Bet I'm gonna move this way.

Boom, I got you. That's called scouting report, baby. That's called being a vet. That's called being the best in the world, you know, EO Sky.

So, um, yeah, it'll be interesting to see. There are new ladies coming, there's new ladies around. And uh Oscar. I'm I'm gonna let you Tell her you love her or something, man. She knows.

You know. Describe to them. We're in Anaheim for Raw. Yeah.

We're walking in, and her and Kyrie are talking, and they're walking this way. Yeah.

So you hit me with them sharp-ass elbows. I was like, but it was right before the show. They looked like they were working something out. They walked past us, and I was just like. Yeah.

Okay, excuse me.

So, but then I waited till after the show. And so, when we were walking towards them, and I think it was our boy Chuck, was like, Yeah, here, you know, I'll introduce you. And I immediately just hit the we're not worthy. We've talked about this on the show before, and she looked so like she was like, Oh, what are you doing? You don't have to bow up my phone.

Hold on, man. I'm like, Oh, no, but I do because you're the greatest. Yeah, just whatever you do. Damn, I'm glad we got that picture now. Yeah.

Can you imagine if we was like, ah, we'll see him soon. There was no way. I've passed up pictures before. There was no way that picture was getting passed up. But to Asuka, whatever you do, you gotta understand.

We here are fans. We wish nothing but the best for you. I'm just going to play it in my mind like you're taking a few weeks off, heal up some injuries, see what creative has for you, and you'll be back before we know it.

So that's how I'm going to leave it. I'm not going to do what everyone thinks that I'm going to do. Flip out, man. I'm not going to bash the camera with the kendo stick or nothing, but just know. That If she's gone.

There's going to be some problems. There's going to be some problems. TJ Jefferson is. All gas. No breaks.

Speaking of which. Yeah.

Speaking of. Talk about back on. And. Still World heavyweight champion. Uh Yeah.

Brrrang! I mean, I was in bad loud, and I'm right here.

Sorry, everybody. But I you know how it get man. My tribal chief is back I'm up talking mess on Twitter. You know how I do. That's why y'all love me.

And it got worked a little bit, though. Hey, win is a win. When is a win? Win is a win. When is a win until you're getting stomped out by your cousin?

Look, I remember once my cousin Greg punched me in the nose, right? And that's. Greg was my favorite cousin, too. I looked up Greg. But one day...

Boy, lost draft stuff. One day I accidentally hit him with a, you know, used to put a sock in another, roll up a sock, put in a sock, swing around like it was Thor's hammer back then.

Soft. Yeah.

No, but this one, I had a, I think I had like a little mini boy put quarters in it. Not quarters, but it was like a, it was like a little basketball that was a little bit hard. And I hit him and like, I knew I had to pay a receipt, as they say in the rest of the world. And he waited for a while and then he popped me in the nose. And I'm saying like, yeah, that was my cousin.

That was my man.

So I can understand how maybe Roman felt getting, you know, lumped up by your cousin. But Greg didn't try to tongue and death grip me either. Hold on, bro. Wait a minute, Greg. That's not the same thing.

I just said. I know, but no, I'm saying like, I hit you with a nerf ball and a sock, baby. You're going to punch me. Oh, it was hard. It was one of them hard balls.

It was hard. Hold on, Greg. It was one of them hard balls, bro.

So did I have it coming back? Yeah.

Did I mean to do it? It no, yeah, did it happen? Yeah, did the receipt come yet? Was it with pop? Yeah, and that was it.

He didn't try to tong and death grip me the dump, no, yeah. And I was like that. Because that's not the Jacob I know. But Jacob I know gotta keep his word. This is something different, man.

He done gone full werewolf, man. Watch out. I knew when he showed up and the fingers was taped, somebody was. Yeah, he got the frostbite hand. Man.

The frostbite hand, man. He said, I ain't bring my kids. To watch me wrestle Uncle Roman. And now he gotta walk that back. Oh, I'm choking the shit out you.

And that's what happened. And he chucked it and he lost his mind and then Roman You know them little after the show air interviews was like That's why we don't even talk to that. You're romance. Basically, threatened to get him fired. Like, oh, all right.

I'm going to tell. This is last night. This is the last night here. I'm going to hear about this. Promise you that.

Oh, my God. And man, the next night we're going to have a. Acknowledgement ceremony. I said, Karima, this is not gonna go well. No, not at all.

There's no way this works. Jimmy knew it wasn't gonna go well. It's like, Jay, what's your jay out there trying to defuse this? Yeah, you got the crash out out there trying to be the peacekeeper. That's not gonna work.

It would have to be Jimmy in that position. Anytime somebody's trying to talk you into something, they started off with, hey, man. Hold on, ooze. Like, Jay, you are not the one to do this. And yeah, he went right past him.

Jay following him, still trying to, hey, man, on all that nonsense. Also, I just want to point out. A lot of people want to bring up when the bloodline works with each other, like, oh, here we go again, the cousin's working. I got one thing to say. In their favor.

About the bloodline working together. If y'all don't stop laughing while y'all working with each other, bro. And like you can see that the twins can't hold it together. I haven't noticed that. I will send you the clips.

I got so many shots of these dudes laughing or like rolling, wiping his face. I mean, when Sammy was there, that was. I mean, Sammy kept him. Even when Jay was trying to be the hard knock, when he just. Yeah, he can't.

They can't. They can't. And now they get their family together. They're just happy to see each other. They can't.

But Jacob Foctu. Real deal. This dude might be the only wrestler I've ever seen. Defeat Roman and the Usos at the same time. At the same time.

3v1. Yeah.

And. They made him look. He is. As far as unstoppable forces go, he's right behind Oba right now. And we talked about that, right?

We talked about, yeah, oh my god, hit versus over. That's what I'm, you know, but only that, we talked about losing these stars, right? Losing CNA, Lesnar Styles, Mal Oscar, the new day.

So if you're gonna lose stars, you at the rate that they're losing them, they better. They better get on their JO and make sure they're making new stars. Yeah, it's better. Get up, get out, and get something. You know what I'm saying?

So that's what they're kind of doing, right? You trick, star. Oba, star.

Now you're putting Braun Breaker, star. You got Logan Paul, whether you like him or not, he still has that star power. And now, Jacob.

So what they're doing is, yeah, they're trying to, I guess, replenish the star power, replenish that shelf. They're doing a good job so far because I totally believe in Jacob, Oba, Braun, and Trick. And then you still got Mellow, you still got Ilya. By the way, You still got gumpy. Who I feel like they've almost painted themselves into a corner with.

For sure. Because what are you doing with Gunther now? He beat Cena, he beat Styles. You can't just have him lose a random Monday night raw, Friday night SmackDown PLE in the middle of the summer. Like, the only thing left for this man to do is win gold off of somebody.

And if it's not. I thought this was the world, but I forgot this was ours because you know we'd be switching up. Wait, I could take that home now. You couldn't. You should leave it there.

All right. If it's not that world belt, then Raheem better watch out. Yeah, because I'm hearing in my whispers, you know, I got birds all around the world. Nah, yeah, yeah. I'm hearing that's the direction they think.

Well, I think that's what it came out with. He said Heyman owed him a favor, and it looks like we're going to get clash in Italy. Yeah, it's going to be well, like. What does that mean for Raheem? Because like This dude's on the up and rise, up and up.

And even if he does lose, just like the Jacob and Roman thing, I don't see him just taking that lose. Oh, no, he's gonna, if he don't win, if he don't win the match, he's gonna win the fight. Mm-hmm. Talk to him, too.

Okay, so talk to him.

So we'll see.

So I guess that's a good position to be in, right? And I've said this before: how it annoys me how people always try to use mid-card as it's something bad. You guys are going to understand there's only room for about 10, maybe 10 main eventers. Everyone else is in the mid-card. There ain't nothing wrong with being in the mid-cart.

The mid-card puts you on television. Every week, Baron Corbin was a mid-carter. He was on Raw every Monday for about five years in a row, dog. Yeah, you know what I mean?

So, people, we got to stop acting like being the mid-card is the mid-card. Is really the X factor. The mid-card is your backbone of your show. Like the main event, they get to have all the bells and whistles that they want.

So they, you know, they can have enough gimmicks in it for it to like turn into a good match. But If I'm watching something. If I'm watching a three hour show And Two hours and 45 minutes of it is garbage. I'm not watching that next week.

So, like, yo, mid card, don't use it as any line of disrespect. Yeah, that's always bugged me. Yeah, that's where. Every other championship in the building is right, like you know.

So, yeah, I'm fully behind you on that, man. Mid-card, you have a level of responsibility, right. And you're on TV, like I said, every week. Yeah.

And I know you we're both Roman fans. You're probably a bigger Roman fan than I, and I love Roman. I always did have kind of an issue, right? Looking back and saying that he was responsible for this boom these few years ago when. If you're not on TV.

Right? Yeah.

How can you say that this is the reason That these records were broke and this money was made. If you, even though you're at the top, If you're not there, if I can go a month and I go to these shows and you're not there, how can I say? This is because of you. If you're in a movie that wins Oscars, right, or wins any type of award, and you're in it for five minutes, can I say, like, Well, it's because of Shea. The movie did so good.

I know I think. Jamie Lee Curtis had like 12 minutes of screen. Yeah, so yeah, it is possible. It can happen. But you see what I'm saying?

You're an entire film success on those 12 minutes. Yeah, so I love Roman, but he wasn't there every week. He wasn't there every other week sometimes.

So, I mean, I know who got busy? The mid-card cats that had to carry those shows. Yeah.

My point. I personally. I still acknowledge my chief, though. Don't get it. I fully believe that.

You can't beat it. There's no way it's one guy putting in any ticket. No. You know, Hulk Hogan beats Hulk Hogan. Yes.

But, like, Macho man Randy Savage is still here. Roddy Piper was there. Like, you still got, like, there's still people here that you know I want to see. And also, you got to go up against somebody. Those villains, those heels, they're there.

Stone Cold Steve Austin. It's still Triple H Taker and Rock here. You know, so like, it's. It's never just one guy, but you know, Timothy Spears and Timothy Spear, Paul. Uh and um Yeah, right now, I think they are in a great spot as far as the men's mid-cards.

The women's mid card, I felt like, was gutted during these let-goes. What'd you call it? What did you say? You were. You said I have been something three times what word did you use yeah to describe when you got Let go from a company.

Oh, surplus. Yeah, surplus. Yeah.

You know, that word surplused. Shout out to HP. But it's opportunity. Like we said, with the Oscar thing, there's a window of opportunity right now, and we need to see people that step up. I didn't like.

Uh, recently I think Shawn Michaels did an interview. I think it was with Stephanie. I can't remember what. Sean Michaels did an interview where he said, I told Mello that, you know.

So, this is this is the business here, and sometimes the best guy doesn't always win. And like Don't shelve me like that, you know, because like we're all rooting for Mello, and just when he was getting hot, they took it off of him, right? And like. And now that he ain't got nothing to say the trick. Like writers, but that's gotta come right.

Ryders. We going back to him versus Sammy? Again? He won. He won.

A lot of people didn't like the gingerbread thing, but it's like wrestling, right? There's room for comedy. Yeah.

I got the gingerbread man funeral. It was funny, man. But people were. But I did say, I think more people did like it than dislike it. Yeah.

I saw somebody, somebody said the gingerbread man was so attitude error-coded. And somebody retweeted and was like, no, it wasn't. And I had to retweet that and be like, bro. Do you know the ridiculous things that we saw during that era? Yeah, right.

Just simply ridiculous. Yeah, hand gobbledygooker, or like that. Yeah, like wrestling needs that wackiness. Like, I told our truth when we interviewed him, he is a palate cleanser, he is a breath of fresh air. Everybody's so serious.

And then when you see him, it's like a Everybody had it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, so yeah, there's not exactly. Maybe it should have ended the show. I didn't like that.

That was basically the main event of the go-home show: the funeral for the gingerbread man. But. It's okay. It's not the end of the world. This isn't like I'm never watching this again.

People love that threat tweet about it next week. And Trick's just proving how talented he is, right? You want him in something serious. He could do that. You want to put him in a little bit of comedy.

He can do that. When he came out two weeks beforehand and the dude was trying to tell him, I think that Sammy was in the Gingerbread Band concert, the costume, and he... pimp slapped the dude like a back come on shut your mouth bro back i mean come on yeah trick we talked about checking boxes aka dwayne booker t johnson he he checks all the boxes yeah man so but here's the thing for tko we who who are you rep by who's your representation uh w m e all right so you know when I wrote my book and as a published author you know who my representation was. W L E. She got two clients here.

I don't know. I don't get the Christmas cards anymore. Hey, William. Hey, Morris. But yo, man, TKO, if you want some super fans who are also part of your family, because you took 15% of my book.

Talk to us. We'll fill you in on some history of WWE and wrestling. Yeah, man. Come on now. Things of that nature, because I'm not sure if they got people there who really.

Get it sometimes. Yeah.

Well, listen, I know where you're happening. But that's why you can't you you show up every week. You know how we get some things off our chest. We got a guest. Yeah, man.

I hear I hear him knocking. Let them in. Let them in. You know, our our our guests, uh, Is the talented Carol Indian? By the way, Carol sucks.

You'll figure out that later on. But Brad Williams is here and you know he's got some stuff to promo.

So let's check out this promo for him first, and then let's get to the interview. Brad Williams live on Short Street is doing numbers right now on YouTube. It premiered April 12th. My man's already at 700,000 views. You guys got to make sure you check him out.

There you go, right there. That's me. All right. Rock on. Thanks for not getting the full body shot.

Now you do. See, now it's like I don't feel cool because you guys are chilling. You guys look great. I got my legs dangling. It's not, it's, like, it's hard for me to, like, I'm glad I'm married.

I'm glad I'm not trying to be out there at bars, like, trying to pick up on women with my legs dangling anymore. It's really hard. It's like, hey, can I buy you a drink? Like, it doesn't, it doesn't work. It's good to see you, man.

The last time we saw you, Brad Williams, we were at The Roxy. Yes. And in West Hollywood.

Soraya, aka Page. She had her book release party. Yeah.

And there was a lot of notable folks in the building that night. And one of the most notable, of course, was you. We were kicking it with you that night. It was a lot of fun. And I know who you guys are.

I'm a fan of you guys. And it was nice to have that happen there. It's like, oh, because I was worried I was going to get there and I was not going to know anybody and not just mark out with. With whatever wrestlers are there. But I'm like, okay, these guys talk about wrestling.

Cool. Right. So we're good. Yeah, we were there. We were all.

Fully prepared to mark out. Yeah.

You know, you marked the party. I did it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Like any party we are.

Sorry, guys, that was just my kendo stick. Right. As you say, you mark out your kendo stick. Do you have a cookie sheet that's going to fall from the sky, too? You never know.

Is there a table underneath this thing? No, there's a table. Is horn swaggle underneath this thing? That would be, you're going to find out. Ladies and gentlemen, what a show.

They're actually two different people. We thought we're the same guy. How many times have you run into that? Bro. It's always there's a dwarf of the moment.

So when I was coming up, it was We Man from Jackass, and then it was Dinklage for a while, and it was Hornswoggle for a while.

So it's like people can't comprehend that there's more than one succession. They do things. Literally, I was on an interview this morning where the guy's like, and with all that you've done in comedy, you still find time to get in the ring with WWE. And I'm like, nope. Other one.

God damn, man. Other one. Well, speaking about the beginnings, you know you guys have something in common? Is Nice Keep your dad? Is he?

Wait. Because if he is, there's a word I gotta say that I gotta get off my chest. I've been holding it in for a long time, you know, trying to be polite, trying to be nice. But if Cube is my dad, oh my god, I gotta pass. Let's go to Compton and say it.

Oh, my God. Let's have fun. Yay, yay. No, both Trojans. Fight on.

Fight on, brother. Fight on. I didn't know you were a Trojan. Let's go. That was a nice on the road, baby.

Yeah, man. I did not graduate. Maybe. I was a year away from graduating, and then I started doing comedy. And I was like, well, that's what I want to do.

So I dropped out. But I was going to get a communications degree.

So it's not like when I dropped out, we lost a cancer cure. It's not like, oh, where will humanity be now that Brad Williams doesn't have his communications degree? Like, it's fine. Shout out Annenberg. Yeah, man.

Shout out to my buddy Nate. What were you? Screenwriting. Screenwriting. Yeah, yeah.

I was at the School of Cinematic Arts and in the middle of my second year, my dad's like, hey, we're taking this NWA movie pretty serious. And I'm like, dope. Yeah, good for you. He's like, no. In a perfect world, I want you to play me.

So I was like, all right. And then I dedicated myself to that. I was going to. uh aaron spicer's acting yeah studio like all the time And convinced him to let me leave school because, like, this is what I was going to school for anyway.

So, now you're going to go do it. Here we are. Isn't it wild that they're, I believe, they pretty much have a Dr. Dre building now on the USC. Never campus.

Never went, you know. Like, that, like, if you would have told me top 10 people that will not have a building at USC in certainly the 90s. And then anytime after that, being like, well, Dre would never have a building. But now, Dr. Dre has a building at USC.

Yeah.

So it's like, all right, man. That'll do it. Yeah.

Love it. I don't think I'm going to get a building. I'll take a bench. If I have a bench. Yeah, but one that's lower so my legs could actually touch the ground.

That's hard. That would be my bench. You guys sit on. Your knees will be up. You'd have to be like Phil Jackson and bring it to the bigger chair.

I'm still sitting on the Brad Williams bench. Exactly. Do it, buddy. Do it. Brad Williams.

So, so you're. Lifelong Laker fan, Trojan. You're a wrestling fan, we might be brothers. I'm telling you, bro, it's pretty good, good similarities. I'm saying, you know, it's fine, just take down the shading a little bit, and you might get there.

A little sepiotone.

So, I guess, you know, before we get into the wrestling, I always like, you know, my thing is I like to know the person, right? Sure.

So, talk to me about, you know, you as a kid, man. What was life like growing up? Oh, life was like, all right, if I'm ever on a podcast and I'm like one of these guys that says, hey, man, comedy comes from pain, comes from trauma. I had a rough childhood. Slap me.

I did not come from trauma and pain. Grew up in Orange County, California. Mom and dad stayed together the whole time. You know, they're fantastic. They're great.

They love me very much. Only child or I have a sister who is 15 months older than me who is not in the entertainment business.

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Auto parts. No, I know, I know. I get along with her really well. And, yeah, and no other dwarves in my family. I do emphasize that.

So, if you look and you shake my family tree, Ringling Brothers ain't falling out of that thing, okay? Like, it's just me, okay? And, but, yeah, grew up. This is where we will differ.

Okay. Because I played hockey as a kid. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I found hockey late in my life. Yeah?

Yeah.

Never played hockey. But you're a Kings fan, right? Yeah, go, Kings, go. There you go. I'm from Orange County, Ducks.

So, you know, we're a little bit of a rivalry right now. We're still in it as of this podcast. Who knows tomorrow? But yeah, so grew up playing hockey and just going to Ducks games and Angels games and stuff like that. And.

But always liked comedy. Comedy was how I made friends. Comedy is how it was the defense mechanism.

Someone comes at me, has something to say, then I fire back with a joke, and they're like, all right, all right, we're yeah, we cool. And yeah, went to USC and then started doing stand-up. And once I found stand-up comedy, I was like, oh, this is. This is the thing to do. Ever been a goal?

Ever been a well, like to be a comedian is like to say I want to be a comedian is like saying I want to be an Avenger. You know, it's like, I don't really know how. It just looks awesome. I'd like to do it. But then it's like anything.

Anything that you want to do, the best advice is to just start doing it. If you want to be a director, start directing shit. What? Whatever you can. Direct whatever you can.

Whatever you can. Yeah, you want to write stuff? Write stuff. Like, you want to be a comedian? Start doing stand-up wherever they have a microphone.

I can't tell you how many coffee shops I drove like two hours because they had an open mic night for me to talk for five minutes in front of people that are just trying to enjoy a latte. But that's how you come up. The beautiful part about stand-up comedy. And there's no book you can read, no class you can take, no piece of advice. That you can hear that will instantly make you good.

You just have to be good by doing it, just doing it. Getting better, putting 10,000 hours, whatever it is. The guide will method, yeah. Yeah, and that's how you get better.

So I was an opening act for about five years and then started heading out on my own. And now I blinked and I'm 42. I've been doing comedy for 22 years. I'm married with a six-year-old. What happened, man?

Good life, nice. Good life. Yeah.

Snuck up on you. But so whenever, like, now I'm having some success and people now I walk into the club and people look at me like, oh, that's the elder statesman. Like, Brad's got it, like, Brad's doing some stuff. I'm like, I'm still the kid from Orange County. Like, I don't get this.

Like, when did I become like the dude for some people? Yeah.

Oh, oh, I know what that means. White guys have uncle. Yeah.

Well, we got, we don't call them unks, but uh, and we don't call them oos, you know, but uh, we got them, but like sir, yeah, yeah, we have sirs. We have sirs. Sirs. That's what we have. Dude, I didn't know what Unk was until I went on the Club Shay Shay podcast.

Oh, my God. I learned so much stuff. He'll learn you.

So much stuff. And then I had a gig the following week after I was on Club Sheche. I had a gig in Austin, Texas. And my opening act, great comic, his name is JB Ball. He's black, right?

He's six for three black guy.

So we're all walking around. All the black guys in Austin are coming to me like, yo. Club Shay Shay. Like, respect. And I'm like, giving me fist bumps and everything.

And then my actual black opener is like, no love? Nothing? Nothing. Y'all come up and tap up the white guy. Yeah, he wasn't on Shay Shay, dude.

I hadn't had cognac until I went on Shay Shay. Shut up. Oh, wow. I hadn't had cognac, bro. That's the time to have it.

That is the time. And he's not a sponsor of this podcast, but. It's good. All right. It's very, it's very tasty.

I gotta get on there. I got a bone to pick with him. Oh, no. You got beat. He tripped out.

He tripped out recently. Yeah, he said that the Lakers weren't on TV before LeBron James. What? He didn't say the Lakers. The Lakers?

He said, yeah, the Lakers weren't on TV with Kobe. That's that CTE, bro. Tell everybody, bro. By the way, the reason why there's any kind of regional sports networks is because of the Lakers. Jerry Buss invented Prime Ticket.

You and I remember Prime Ticket. I don't know if you were in the Prime Ticket team. I'm older than everybody.

Okay, so yeah, you do. But that's where they own their own network. They had the broadcasting rights deal. A lot of people in this league are making a lot of money because Dr. Jerry Buss had the Lakers on TV.

He played foolsball. He didn't play foolsball, bro. He don't know no. Oh, but you're a Bronco. Yeah.

You got a soft spot for him. I do. Yeah, you do. I do. So, yeah, I'm a lifelong diehard Broncos fan because people ask me why, because I grew up in Orange County.

Like, how does that happen? And I say, well, my dad went to Stanford, and then he wanted us to support a Stanford-led team. And that was either Elway with the Broncos or Plunkett with the Raiders. And the joke I make is I don't have face tattoos or priors.

So. I know you're a Raider fan. No, no, no, no, no. No, I'm a Ram. You're a Ram guy.

I'm a Ram, man. Pop is a Raider. Pop is a Raider. It has caught quite the divide. Yeah, so I just have to worry about Ice Cube coming after me.

Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. My goal is to have. A rapper, any rapper, drop my name in a track.

It could be a diss. It could be anything. I'll work on that for you. I want anything. That's going to happen after this.

Two hours after this airs tonight. I want that. I intended to stay. When I heard Pitbull drop Cat Williams' name in a track, I know that's about as white of a rapper as you could get. But when I heard that, I'm like, oh, I want that.

I want a rapper to drop my name. It's something. Just say short like Brad Williams, small like something like that. Bam. Yeah.

It's going to happen. It immortalizes you. I love it. I love it. 100%.

Now, there's something that also you and I share.

Okay. You see how I piggybacked off that? Wait, who are some of your exes? No, no, no, Jim. Actually, that's so funny.

I was about to bring up an ex. Welcome to the Eskimo Brothers section in no contest. But I didn't know. My ex. Shout out to Jade.

My ex. taught me the truth. About pit bulls. Yeah.

Pit bulls are good dogs, bro. They got bad rep. Yeah, I got two of them, man. You got two now? I got two pit bulls.

I got Diego and I got Daisy. We just got Daisy recently. And so I got Diego and Daisy. And my wife's Chinese.

So those are the only double D's I have in my house. Dude, I love pits. I was one of those guys, too, that I thought Pit Bulls were these like aggressive, violent. Yeah.

DMX comes out and starts, you know, always having them on the chains. And you're like, oh, shit, that's the scariest dog ever. You know, and then you get one, you be around one that hasn't been corrupted by an aggressive owner. And then they're like, oh, you guys are the sweetest. You guys are the absolute best.

They're massive. And let me tell you. Walking down the street as a four foot four guy with a pit bull. Best, oh man, the ego boost. When I see guys crossing the street, when I see people crossing the street, because I'm coming down.

I'm like Omar from the wire. I'm just like, oh, yeah. Rad coming. Yeah, Rad's coming. And I just got two pits.

It's the best. Oh, that. And when I have two pit bulls, it just looks like I'm a snow dog and just like, yeah. Like, it just looks like that. It's awesome.

I love pit bulls. They're amazing. It's the eyes. It's something about their eyes where you just can't be mad at.

So sweet. And then, and that end, I feel for pit bulls because they're like me. They have giant heads. I have a giant. See.

If you look at the forehead, I'll tip this up. I don't have dreams. I have movies. That's a giant head. I keep trying to tell people.

Mike Myers in So I Married an Axe Murderer. Yeah.

Hid Paper. No. I remember that one. Yeah.

Pitts are the damn best, man. Everyone thinks I'm going to own a Chihuahua. Like, look at me. But see.

Alright, and Chihuahuas are a lot like the dog alright, here's my thing. Smaller dogs are actually more aggressive because they can get away with it and no one corrects them. Chihuahua yaps at you, you don't kick the dog, you don't like get mad, you don't scream, you don't call for help. You just go ah, you know, and that, and that's it. That's why, like, You meet a lot of the larger wrestlers, you find out they're just big sweethearts because they know that if they it's done.

It's done. Like, I think we've all met the big show here. I think we've all met the big show. Bro, I did a podcast with him. I did an episode of Talk is Jericho with the big show, and it was just him and I comparing our lives.

It was really shocking how. He's a giant. I am the opposite of that. And we had very similar lives in terms of like, oh, clothes are hard to get. Travel kind of sucks.

Showers in hotel rooms are weird, but for completely opposite reasons. You know, him, he can't fit. Me, if the shower head is crooked, I look up like, well. All right. Yeah, man.

I got to call somebody. Got to spend 60 bucks to cover somebody come in. Yeah.

Yeah.

I got to have a guy just come in and do that.

So and plus, you've got, and plus, with you and him, I'm sure you just get the dumbest. Compliments conversations to people asking you the dumbest stuff. Yep, that is something that we both get. But show is a sweetheart, absolute kind. I'm good friends with Lance Archer, the murder hawk monster, one of the sweetest men you'll ever meet.

He hates it when I say this on a podcast. He's like, I'm the murder hawk monster. It's like, dude, you're a teddy bear. He's the sweetest guy ever. But then you get a lot of little guys.

And I'm talking 5'2, not dwarves like me, like that mid, like that 5'2. They got the Napoleon complex. They can be like, because they think, no one's going to swing on me because you can't hit a little guy. And I'm like, ah, they can. They will, and you're not going to like it.

And it just now hit me. I totally forgot. I did meet Big Show. It was after WrestleMania 21. It was here.

Nice in L.A. Yeah, so I definitely did meet Big Show one time. Hell yeah. And I have a picture with him. I don't know why.

This just. escaped me, but he's holding a snapple bottle.

Okay. And the snapple bottle looks like, you know, those mini cans of soda. It looks like he's holding one of those. Right. And I measured his fist literally went from my chin to my forehead.

It's ridiculous. That was a good idea. That guy gave it for a while. Yeah, just a punch in the face. Like, and it worked.

Yeah.

He does a punch in the face. You're like, yeah, I'm down. I'm out for the big show. It's over. Yeah, it's great.

So, I mean, we got it into wrestling, bro. Yeah.

Yeah, let's go. Dude, dude, let's go. Hot tag. Let's go. Yeah, so, like, we got to know.

Here's what I love about wrestling fans: We're all like hiding in plain sight. And then, like, as soon as you're at a party, you're out and about, you're at a social function, bro, and you find out someone else is a wrestling fan, you're like, oh, right. Get over here. We got to talk. Same thing?

Yeah, we got to talk. You like, you, you, like, point up, you like, point up, you're like, do we acknowledge? Do we acknowledge? All right, let's go. And then that's your friend at the party.

Right? It's your friend for life. Yeah.

I used to work at MTV, right, years ago. I was working on the show Punked. Yep. And there was a guy who was working on Pimp My Ride. And I would always hear, Hey, you ever meet John from Pimp My Ride?

He likes wrestling too. And I'm like, Really? No. And one day we met each other in the bathroom. And he's like, Are you?

And I was like, Are you? And then we've been friends 20 years later. I love that you say you met him in the bathroom.

Well, you know, that's what happened. We were at the Sink guys. We were at the Sink. Yeah, you both had your Singapore canes in your hand. Yeah, well, you both had that.

No, you know, with the Kendo stuff.

So I watch wrestling with my wife, and my wife is a martial artist. She was a yeah, she was a martial arts instructor, and she's actually just got back into it. And so when the kendo sticks come out, she has this like PTSD because that was literally used to correct when she was in the martial arts schools.

So she's like, and like, so, and when people get hit with them, like a lot of people, when they, when they watch wrestling, if someone gets hit with a kendo stick, they're like, yeah, but it's a, it's fake. It's like she knows. Nothing fake about that. Yeah, when he brought up those, the first thing I did was like. Yeah, you kinda go against your forearm or your hand or whatever like.

Oh, this has some oomph. And then Don Bowie, who you met, he was like, I don't, I don't think it's gonna hurt. Hit me with it. And I was like, are you?

So I, I. I laid it in at about 35%. And he was like, oh, that didn't hurt.

So then I hit another about 60%. And then I think he was like, okay. I see how it can hurt. Yeah.

I can't imagine like being. A pro wrestler and you're out and about in public, and you and people meet you, and the people the people that come up and go, Give me a chop, I could take it, right? And you're like, Why would you do that to yourself? And then you have to lay it in. Oh, if you're the guy, you have to.

This is for the boys, yeah. You got to let them know, like, this hurts. You know, this, this is, this is real. Uh, have you guys ever run, have you ever had a chance to go in the ring and run the ropes a little bit? I've had the chance to go into a WWE ring, and I felt the ropes, and I was like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sweaty against your bare back, constantly. Because we hear from a lot of wrestlers, we always ask them, We'll ask you this question. Maybe not this question, but one of the things they say is like, you know What's one of the first things you you You felt when you got into a wrestling ring. You know, what hurts, what doesn't hurt. And everyone's like, running the ropes.

Bro, I'm welcome to wrestling moments. I've run the ropes. And you wake up the next day and you are sore. You will have rope marks all on your body because you haven't built up that callus yet.

So, yeah, people think they're rubber bands. Yeah, it's not. We have this idea of because there's so many naysayers about, oh, well, they're not, you know, there's nothing. What's the risk? What are y'all keep talking about?

And so we said that at every P L E Just put a ring on the outside. Have fans line up. Run these ropes. Yeah, just run the ropes. Just run the ropes.

Don't even take a bump. The easiest thing you think we do. Just run these ropes. Run the ropes. They'll run too and be like, ah.

Am I doing it right? Yeah, you are. But then we told Jacob Fatu this last week, and he took it a little further. He goes, How about letting me punch him in the face? You're right.

It's like, listen, Jacob. Definitely not the same category, bro. Yeah.

We'll start off with the basics. We want to terrify him. They'll kill anybody. Yeah.

And like, you know, it's also Jacob Fatu. It's not like it's Minnie Dan Hausen. Yeah, no. Which, by the way, not me. There was some speculation online that I was one of the mini housings.

I was not one of the mini housings, but here's my camera right now. Dan Hausen, you and I have partied together on the Chris Jericho Cruise. If you need another Mini Hausen. I'm there. I'm not saying like, oh, we have to say it's Brad Williams.

No, I'm not looking for anything like that. No shout outs. Don't plug. I just want to do it. Nothing.

I just want to do it. I just want to do it. Let me curse some people. Let me be a mini housing. I love that.

Another thing.

So at the end of this, Brad Williams, what you're going to get from doing the no contest wrestling podcast is you will be featured somehow on the rap track. And Dan Hausen will have you as a mini housing. I love it. A Williamshausen? Yeah, Brad.

Let's go, Brad Hausen. I want that. And I'm so happy for that guy. I'm so happy for Dan Hausen. You know, going online when he made his debut, there's a lot of people that didn't understand.

They didn't get it. A lot of new fan, a lot of marks like ourselves. We know Dan Hausen from the Indies, from AEW. I know him from Pro Wrestling. He's having the number one selling t-shirt for like 10 years in a row.

Yeah, for like all of that. That like we knew what was coming, and then it's been so fun to see how they use them because Dan Hausen is one of these examples that I love where I go, hey. Wrestling can be Chad Gable and it can be Danhausen. Both. It can be like the most insane Bret Hart technical guy and it could be funny.

It could be silly. It could be ridiculous. Yes. You could have both of those. They both are allowed to exist.

I'm like that with comedy where people go like, oh, I don't like that comedian. He's a prop comic or he's a clean comic or he's a whatever comic. It's like, no, man, there's enough room for there's so much comedy out there that you can like what you like. It's okay. And just because you like one thing doesn't mean you have to hate everything else.

So it's the same thing with wrestling. I, dude, you bring me as a comedian. I love the Danhausen's. I love the Orange Cassidys. I love the funny wrestlers.

I love watching the old clips of Santino. That was something I wanted to ask you. Who were some of your favorite comedic acts throughout wrestling? Oh, okay. Man, funny wrestlers.

I mean. The thing is, then you get a guy like The Rock, and The Rock is both. Both. Yeah.

Yeah, he's that, but then he's also a funny wrestler. And my favorite would be anytime. A wrestler who's not known for being funny. Would do something funny. Kane had some Dude, that one promo with him and Hulk Hogan, it's Kane, it's The Rock, it's Hulk Hogan.

And they're all going to have a triple threat tag match that night. And The Rock is talking, you know, The Rock says we got to go out there, we got to entertain the people. And then Hulk Hogan starts going, and we got to do, you know, let me tell you something, brother. This is what we got to do. And then Kane, who's been silent the whole time, goes.

Let me tell you something. There's gonna be millions of, there's gonna be the millions of the Rocks fans. There's gonna be all the Hulkamaniacs. There's gonna be 10,000 Canaanites. Canaanites.

Canaanite, right? And what you gonna do? And then Kane just goes into it. And I'm like, that. I love that.

You're out of nowhere. Because wrestling can be whatever. It can be treated like it's an Olympic sport, you know. And then like a guy like Kurt Angle, one of the funniest dudes and one of the best overall athletes to ever do it. He could do both.

He was silly. You know, um. The promo he cut against uh Rey Mysterio, where he's like, I'm a man and you're a boy, and I love playing with little boys. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, it was so good. I love that stuff so much.

I like the range. Where'd you get like, when did you fall in love with wrestling, bro? Uh, my dad took me one time to the Anaheim Convention Center, and it was a house show, and Hogan, uh, Hogan was on the house show. And I, as a kid, He ran out. To do a run-in at a battle royal to help Brett Hart win it.

And him running out there, I've never heard anything that loud. Yeah, yeah. Where he just you just heard like Brett was in trouble. I forgot what wrestler was beating him up. And then all of a sudden you hear and the place just goes.

Abe. And I was just like. Amen. But as a kid, I get why I liked wrestling because it's like these are real-life superheroes. These are comic book characters.

This is the Hulk, but. In front of you, you can see the person, you can touch the person, you know.

So that was it. And then, of course, all through the attitude era, for me, that's my golden era.

Okay. Attitude is my golden era. That's the stuff I loved when, you know. Yeah, who were your wrestlers from? Oh, bro.

Rob Van Dam was my guy. Love RVD. Mr. Monday Night. Dude, the stuff he would do, and I followed him in ECW.

There's matches with him and Jerry Lynn in ECW that are going hard. Go. They're going. They're doing, like, you think Osprey is doing move sets. Like, go back.

They just go, go, move, dodge, block, flip. That's very underrated. This whole thing.

So, like, yeah, I loved RVD. Only Khan, by the way. Yeah, great song. Banger. Banger of a song.

Banger song. Here I see when I look in your eyes. We did our top five favorite wrestling theme songs.

Okay. Both had RVD on. Two different songs. Yeah.

Oh, you have Pantera. I had the Pantera one. He had the other one. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so good. And when you come see my live show, if you get there early, there's a pre-show playlist that just plays while people are taking their seats. You'll hear a lot of wrestling theme songs. Oh, words in that one. You'll hear the old raw.

Theme from now get the golds, the dirt, and my desperation into it. All that. I love like peeking through the curtain and just watching people go, Yeah, yeah. I have. I have Cody's playing too.

Okay. Because for me, I love Cody's theme because there's a line in there that a comedian speaks to me where he goes, uh, Out the curtain, lights go up. I'm home. And I'm like, oh, that makes sense. That's this shit right here.

Yeah, man. So it's like. I love all that. But yeah, I loved RVD. Loved Chris Jericho.

I like the technical guys.

Okay. So I know it's not. I already know where you're going. I'm going to say, but you know where I'm going. It was what it was, man.

You know, it's like saying, like, oh, you're not allowed to like Bill Cosby jokes. No, you could say that Bill Cosby was funny. You can say that. You can say, I'd stand up. I liked him.

Every Chris Benoit match, that dude would put it all out there. Yes, problematic, off the stage, horrible shit. You can like the work without endorsing it all. I remember the Royal Rumble match where Chris Jericho put him in the walls on top of a ladder, and it looked like they were in some sort of spider. It looked incredible.

And yeah, so. He's an incredible performer. Yeah.

I love all those guys. I love all the. Technical performer. Were you an Eddie Carrero back in the day? A thousand percent.

Because he's another one. Funny. Yes. Funny. Funny and technical.

And now I love that Instagram. that I can go through my reels. And see Other wrestlers talk about How much respect they had for Eddie. And, you know, you hear Diamond Dallas Page tell a story about how it was Eddie's idea to do the diamond cutter out of a power bomb. And I just saw that clip, not Paige talking, but the actual clip of him.

Yes. And I'm like, why has no one else done it? Yeah.

Eddie's on his back, but like a power bomb, but he spins him. Yeah.

And then Eddie like flips over and catches it. Like, and you hear Mysterio talk about how Eddie would put together their matches and just what he was able to do. There's a clip of Billy Gunn talking about how he was going to gorilla press slam Eddie. And then Eddie, while he's up there, goes, drop your left arm. And Billy's like, the fuck?

What? And he goes, drop your left arm now.

So he drops the left arm and he holds himself up and makes Billy look like he's just holding him up with one hand so that he makes Billy look good. And I love inside baseball stuff like that because there's so much of that stuff that you miss, especially with wrestling, where is it predetermined? Yes. But there's so much unscripted and improvising that happens in that ring that when you hear about that, when you hear how finishes are changed and what people, how matches develop and the psychology of it, you're like, holy, these guys are storytellers. Just like comedians, just like musicians.

Tell a story. Hear something. There's a good guy. Why does that good guy want to fight that bad guy? Because a bad guy, that's not enough.

Why? Give me a why. Why are they fighting? Why is this joke funny? Why am I telling you why I'm going to the store to get milk or whatever?

There has to be a reason.

So, those are all instructions that you can learn from wrestling. Watching wrestlers put together a match.

Something else in itself because it's just like they talk about it and it's super quick, and yep, and Uh It'll be like, okay, so you and me, then we'll do the thing, we'll do the flip, then you come back, hit the thing, and then I'll be back. Watching blah, blah, blah. It's probably insane. Watching, like, being backstage. And watching wrestlers go over their matches is so funny to me because it's like I almost don't want to see it.

Yeah, it's like when people do football talk that know football, they're like, oh, I write Ty 37 all on Wing Go, and you're like, I have no idea what the hell that means. Like, that wasn't in Madden, I don't know it. But then. Wrestlers, they're all backstage, and they're all like, all right, and then, and then I just come in and I boom, and then ha, and then you do the hurr, and they're like, but they all know what they're saying, and they get it, they all know what they're saying. Then we do a gory special, and you're like, oh, right, yeah, okay.

Like, it takes me a second, but uh, it's, I true, I truly respect what they all do as storytellers because that's what and When there's a, there, there's such a, when pro wrestling works, when it's at its absolute best. Best. There is a magic. There is a magic when you have, you know, 80,000 people. One, two, three, cheering.

When a good guy's getting beat up and you hear the other good guy music and the whole place pops because they know, oh, he's coming out to save him. Like, when you have a moment, like, you know, for instance, just it's a popular one, but like Hogan turning and going to the NWO and the whole place. Just collapsing onto itself because their hero just became the bad guy. It's the absolute best. I'll take Prime Pro Wrestling.

Over no offense, but a prime movie any day of the week because it's right in front of you. It's so great. Yeah, when wrestling is done right, man, it's just and I also say this to people who like wrestling, you never have to give them a reason. Right. But if you don't like wrestling, there is nothing I can say to you.

It's going to make you get it because you just, in your mind, you just don't want to. Yeah, you're like, oh, it's predetermined. I'm like, okay, so do you watch?

So you're like, it's not real. It's like, cool. Do you watch The Bachelor? Yeah, I love The Bachelor. Yeah, that's not real either.

That's not a love. I was like, Jurassic Park is so enjoyable when I don't have an asshole telling me that the dinosaurs are fake. You know, all those dinosaurs are CGI. Yeah.

Yeah, right. Yeah.

I'm aware. You know, when he fell off the 90-foot stage, it was a crash pad there. Yeah.

Because if he doesn't hit it, he explodes into a bunch of atoms, you idiot. Yeah, it's fun. I took my daughter to medieval times not too long ago. And then, you know, the knights are fighting and all that. And literally, I had this thought while it was happening.

I look around and I go. There's someone in this audience that is enjoying the shit out of this right now that goes, pro wrestling is stupid. I'm like, that's the dumbest shit. Like, just take, turn your brain off for a second, suspend some disbelief, and fucking enjoy it. Have a lot of fun.

That's kind of how I felt about Dan Hausen, this past backlash. You know, like, if you are a fan and you just like wrestling, you could sit there and enjoy that. But if you were someone who's on the fence, or that was the first time you were tuning in on the SPI and you already don't really like wrestling, then you're looking at this like, this is the dumbest thing ever. But if you can just have fun with it, what is he? He does this and a sparkler goes off.

Yeah.

And I'm like, yeah. That's a curse. It's all seen. It's a curse. And curses aren't real.

It's like, ask the Knicks. Right, exactly. Because when he took that off, they've been on fire. They've been on fire. They should retire depending on how far the Knicks go.

They'll have a Nick banner for the season and then just like a little outline of his face paint. Just so good. You know, you spoke of Eddie Guerrero earlier. Yeah.

And so I gotta tell you this: when we went up to Stanford a few months ago for the 2K26 release. The night before we're in a hotel and we were in the same hotel as Mark Henry.

So we sit in the lobby. We're chopping it up with Mark. And awesome. First of all, the amount of people that Mark Henry has turned on to wrestling, and I don't mean fans, I mean like actual wrestlers or personalities like, you know, Braun Strowman, Bianca Belair. Oh, no, shit.

Samantha Irving. I love hearing that. Who else did Mark see? And there's been a few more that I'm drawing a blank on, but seen someone like he saw Bianca and DM'd her and was like, you need to be in wrestling. And the same with Braun Strowman because of the, you know, the strongman thing.

But Mark's telling us these stories that you always hear about, right? Backstage fight stories and stuff. But it was even funnier to hear it from a guy who was actually there and saw it. And as he's telling the stories, he's throwing in the voices of the people.

So you mentioned Eddie Guerrero, and he was telling us a story. And everyone probably knows this if you know anything about wrestling. Eddie tried to get in a fight with Kurt Angle after a match and he went to shoot, tried to shoot on an Olympic gold medalist. And Mark was just telling the story and he's doing Eddie's voice. He's doing Kurt's voice.

And it was just like, it was just the best story on earth. And I was like, Mark, what did you do? He goes, nothing. I was just sitting back and watching it. It's Mark Henry who can do whatever he wants.

Whatever he's doing. Because nothing's going to get the world's strongest man off of track. No, those are so much fun. Jericho has told me. Oh, he's going to hate that I brought this up.

Jericho's told me the story from his perspective of him choking out Goldberg backstage.

Okay. Because, you know, again, that's something else you've heard the history of. To be fair, he was very calm about it. He was like, yeah, he got mad at me. He ran at me.

I was like. Front face lock. Just front face lock, pull back, and then all of a sudden Yeah, and go and Goldberg goes down. Technique will save your ass. It's snow shit.

So, yeah, just doing that. And just it gives me so much respect. And you, like, they all say, like, you know, sports is a game of inches, whatever. Wrestling, it's a game of inches because. One way, it just looks awesome.

The other way, it's an actual move. Like you do the figure four on someone. One way, it's Ric Flair, it's a great showman, it's whatever. And then you do a little bit more, and holy shit, you're going to break someone's leg. It's insane when you think about stuff like that.

Were you more in the WWE or WCW back? I wasn't a WCW guy. I was a WWE guy. And then. One one thing That has been, once again, I'll shout out to all it's such a great time to be a wrestling fan because you can know what's going on now and also respect the past.

Hearing all the stories of the Monday Night Wars and everything, and like backstage politics, people switching sides, people who may have a final say in their contract, so they change certain finishes at the exact last minute because that don't work for me, brother. Yeah, that's brother with an ER, not with an A. My opening act, J.B. Ball, has this great joke about Hogan where he's like, How did Hulk Hogan say the N-word when he's been saying the other word his end? Yeah, right.

He's saying brother's life. It's right there. It's right there. That's a good point. Whence we know we did it on purpose.

When Hogan passed, we found ourselves in a weird position. How did you do that as a black wrestling show? You know, we handled it with. You got it. Decorum.

Look, yes. And I love the fact that you said we're a black wrestling show because we are very, like, we shout out, you know, Black History Month. And, you know, we're very, you know, it is what it is. But I went on the Rich Eisen show, which I'm on, and I said, well, and what did I say when he died? I said it was very complicated and blah, blah, blah.

And I got. Destroyed. And like all of a sudden, I went from you, John Sally telling me I had the blackest corner of any sports show he's ever seen to people coming at me calling me like. Bomb or something because I didn't. I'm like, I'm on a national sports show.

I'm not going to come out here and, you know, I have to have some decorum because a son and it did lose his dad. Yeah.

You know, there is death. And what Hulk Hogan did didn't personally affect TJ Jefferson that much.

So, yeah, it was easy for me to be like, look, man, yeah, I can understand. And I do see. What he meant to wrestling. Sure.

So we handled it. We separate art from artist, like we do with Chris Benoit and God knows how many others in the wrestling business. But the problem is, I don't know who was the good guy. I don't know if it was Terry was the good guy, Hulk was the bad guy.

So I've been watching the Hulk Hogan Netflix documentary. Didn't really learn too much that I didn't know. But yeah, it was like death, man. Yeah.

And also final. The thing about when you watch the Netflix doc, They Talk about it. But I'm like, dude, play the audio. Yeah, I haven't gotten to that. Play the audio.

Because it's like when someone says, like, oh, this guy got hit with sexual assault charges. You're like, well, what does that mean? Did he grab a woman's ass? Did he go way further? Like, what?

So when he said, like, oh, he said some inappropriate things about black people, it's like, play the tape. Because it's the Ray Rice situation where you're like, you hear about it. You're like, oh, yeah, he had a little dust up with this lady. And then you see him and you're like. Because it was, man, what he said, it wasn't just like, you know, joking around like with the soft A, not, but like, right, the things he said were so personal that, like, man, and then we talked to Mark Henry again, and Mark's thing has always been like, yo, all you have to do is apologize.

Yeah, and he refused to do it.

So at that point, it's like, all right. Oh, you meant that. You meant it.

So you meant it. And when you tell the locker room, you know. Make sure, you know, the words you say, you never know who's got a camera around. Yeah, that's not wrong. Look, that's not, I'm sorry.

So that's not taking ownership. That's not like apologizing. That's you being like, yeah, I said it and I'd say it again. I just make sure no cameras were.

So we, you know, we acknowledge his passing, but then. You know, I got to get my dig in a little bit. There's some other stuff there.

So, you know, TJ said his piece, and I said, you know, TJ, that's well said, brother. And remember, folks, that's brother with an A. Yes. Not with a hard ER. On my podcast, Height and Babel, it's me and my opening act, JB Ball, and we have a soundboard, and we have the Booker T.

I'm coming for you. For you, you know, and then a word I will never say. But we have that. And yeah, it makes me laugh every single time. Book lost himself.

I can't wait to ask him about that one day. Bro, because you see him deliver it. He just goes, oh, yeah. I'm fired. I'm fine.

She starts smiling. Yeah, man. At the end of the day, Hogan could have and should have been celebrated for what he brought. But you know what? That's the path you chose.

That you did. It's that one. It's everything. Take ownership, or I guess he did take ownership. He didn't want to try to amend what he did wrong.

And as a fam, that doesn't work for me, brother. Yeah, sorry.

So I booed you out into it. I didn't boo. I just merely turned around. Turned his back on. I stood up and just turned around.

Good for you.

So I respect that. Boo! Me, Eric Andre, Wale. Boo! See, I respect that.

I got nothing but respect for that. Talking about old wrestling, man, since I know you, you know you love it. I want you to go back. This might be a tough question, but if you could change. Ooh, one.

booking decision from the past. What would it be? Like, what is something that to this day, if somebody brings it up, it just like, like, there's a few that just will set me off, man. Ah, um. Wow.

There's so many. Uh what do I how do I that uh oh here's one uh Kofi be champion longer. Oh my god. You hate Velasquez? Oh my God.

I think the problem with that, too, right, is okay, Brock Lesnar should be Kofi Kingston. I don't think anyone in here is going to argue that point. But the thing about Kofi Kingston is, right? He's athletic and he's smart. He's smart.

Kofi, when he does all those things to avoid the rumble, he's smart. An intelligent wrestler like Kofi Kingston would not bum rush Brock Lesnar for any reason. And then he stick and move.

So, for him to just completely bum rush him like that and get F5 and lose the title in seconds. Yeah.

Yeah, I can understand that. That's one where I was like, man, because it was. Uh Like the same way in the NBA, there's championships and then there's championships. Yeah.

There's ones that mean a little bit more. You know, and Kofi winning that belt was one that meant a little bit more. Yeah.

I feel like. That's coming at the hands of Daniel Bryan, who everybody loved. I was kind of into that, like, you know, the Earth champion thing. I was like, people were kind of, he had that belt making. Yeah, the wood belt.

And I was kind of like, let's just see what this guy can do with this. But then Kofi Mania came and was like, all right, I love you, man. But, like, let's go. You got to ride this wave right here. Let's pass it on.

So, yeah, I would have Kofi keep the belt for longer. And that would have been one. I would have. Uh it's Now, I don't want to be wrong here because everyone will be in the comments. But I don't.

Did Piper ever get a world heavyweight Java? Judge Piper runs? Never. The closest he got. Was he the intercontinental champion and then at WrestleMania against oh, the Rumble, I guess, yeah, Ric Flair.

Won the championship that Rumble, he was one of the last guys, I think, in the yeah, so he could have. The fact that Piper never had a belt who arguably bums me out. Where I go, man. That guy deserved if anything, if anyone deserved the belt, because it's one because you could talk about how uh Hulk Hogan and Mr. T sold WrestleMania, but they needed a villain.

You need oh, a hero needs a foil, you need a villain. You couldn't just put anybody in there and have it work.

So, you had to have Piper in there. I'm glad you're saying this.

Now, I can ask you guys because I was going to ask this on the Isident show, but sometimes that might not go well just because of the level of wrestling knowledge. But I can ask you to the thing that made wrestling so big, rock and wrestling back in the 80s, was you had Hogan, of course, but you had. Cindy Lauper. You had Captain Lua Band. Celebrities making the crossover.

So let's just say. 2026, right now, wrestling is just at this point where it's just like flatlining. But we're going to like have the first WrestleMania. Who would who from today could play those parts? Like, oh, who is the who is the equivalent of Cindy Lauper?

Remember, Cindy Lauper, girls just want to have fun. MTV was just starting humongous stars. By the way, another person who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame is Cindy Lauper. I can't see why she's not. But, like, who today, if that were to happen today, who would be the Hogan?

Who would be the Piper? Who would be the Mr. T? Oh, man. Who would be the Cindy Lauper?

Man, I think about this all the time, and I yeah, that is that is really interesting. I would, uh, would it be, I mean, I'm a big Taylor Swift. Would she be the Cindy Carpenter? Sabrina Carpenter, one of those. I don't think she's as big as what Cindy Lauper was.

No, but so I'd say I mean. Taylor is beyond anything, but yeah, I can't imagine if Taylor Swift or Beyonce supported a wrestler. Like, if Beyonce came out and you have a heel like I almost called him Walter if you had Gunther come out and do something to and do something to Beyonce, and then Oba Femi comes out and saves Beyonce. Let's go. Well, this will be an every Beyoncé music video from here to the end of time.

So awesome. That'd be so great. Yeah, I always think about that, man. Like, who could play those roles? Yeah.

1,000%. And I guess it would have to truly be, it would have to be Roman. 100%.

Okay, so then, like, who would be the actor, though? Like, who would be the tough guy actor? Would it be Jason Statham? Would it be, you know, he's always playing the tough guy. Business might be the rock.

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, he's a big action star. We should. Put him in there. That works.

It just works. There's this guy I saw, I watched in the movie The Marine, this John Cena guy. That might be really fun. Yeah, that might be fun. Dude, a one-year.

For Christmas, I got my sister Karima a DVD copy of the Marine Six. That's what the men's. Yeah, that's the men's ass. And no Christmas would be complete. She opened it.

She's like, The Marine Six? Yeah.

Have you seen the first five? No. Let me tell you about Mr. Kennedy. Never saw any of it.

She started at six. Oh, that's so funny. You're a horrible gift giver. Oh, it's hilarious to me. I had a great time.

Yeah, I would. It's funny 'cause yeah, do you do like a Vinn Diesel? Yeah, that's right, man. We're family. Cut some wicked promos.

Maybe you go old as hell and you'd be like, well, Liam Neeson, you're taking in a singlet.

Well, then it would be like he would play Gunther in his life story, it seems, right? Yeah.

Dude, that dude that plays Zange and Street Fighter, that's the biggest human I've ever seen. Yeah, the guy he was in Reacher. Oh, yeah. Olivier. Oh.

Is that who you're talking about? The guy we said. Let's go. WrestleMania. Yeah.

All right. We have a picture with him.

Now, D'Lo, I'm going to need you to put this in right here. I think I know who would be the Mr. T part: Jason Momoa. Oh, solid. Yeah, he's in everything.

Yeah, he's in everything. He's got the build. That's, you know, he's still like, yeah, I think that'll work. I think Jason would be playing Roman in the Roman Reigns story. Oh, man.

Yeah.

Jason Moa also happens to be my wife's hall pass. That's weird. For real? Yeah, for real.

So, Jason, if you're watching, I know you're a wrestling fan. You know, if you're into 5'7 Chinese women, go for it, man. All right, well, so it's only weird to ask Brad Williams who's on your hall passes. Oh, my all pass. See, I we're making all things happen for you today, Brad Williams.

I can't have a hall pass list because I'm because I'm actually touring. Yeah, so I might actually meet these people. Yeah, I want you to have a happy home so we will not take that question. I asked was Carol. You jerk.

Thank you. Thank you. Those of you who don't know, my wife has a friend named Carol who I fucking hate. I'll go on every podcast, talk about her. She said some really horrible things to me.

And so I talk about her on the specials. Dude, thank you, sir. And I'm going to keep talking about her because, as I said in my special, I am daring her to sue me. I am daring her because then she'll literally have to be in court being like, these are the reasons why I'm not a bitch. And I'll be like, objection.

And I will overrule that.

So, yeah, that's a real thing. People ask me all the time, is that a real thing? And I go, Yeah. Yeah.

Carol sucks. Carol sucks. And the thing is, is her, I never say her last name.

So literally, it's just like you talk about Carol Baskin. Exactly. You don't know what I'm talking about.

So that's one of that's one of my get out of jail free cards. I'm explaining my whole strategy here. Is that all I did was I said, Carol's a bitch. And you went, He's talking about me. Yeah.

Yeah, don't go hard. Yeah, baby don't.

Okay. Maybe don't say something and no one will be like, Yeah, that bitch over there. Carol. Yeah, man. That's real.

Dude, shout out to you. I got you, bro. Fuck Carol. O'Shea Jackson Jr. I'm going to get that clip and I'm going to send it to her.

Then he's going to get sued. That's about Kerala Basket. Yeah, it's about Karol Basketball. You know, she'll sue. Yeah.

She's kids. Very, very catching. All right, so let me jump into this: Brad Williams. You are. I'm sure, you know, you be touring the country.

I know your bank account is fat. Brad Williams, you are now starting the BWWA. The Brad Williams Wrestling Association. All right. Okay.

So here's what I'm going to need you to do as I pull out my pen here with the multiple colors like I'm back in grade school. All right. For the BWWA, you need 10 wrestlers to start your organization with. Any promotion? Any promotion?

Yeah.

Okay. You need 10 because, you know, the truck's already. You're about to go on to the tickers are already sold, but you got to fill up. You got five, you know, got matches. You need promotion.

You know, you need everything. This is fun.

So give me 10 people. It doesn't have to be just a wrestler either. Sure.

Oh, okay. So it could be like announcer. Announcer. Yeah, anything. Sure.

All right. Because. All right, so number one draft pick for me, Will Ospreay.

Okay. Bruv, Bruv. We hung out with Bravo over WrestleMania weekend. That's right. You hung out with him, bruv.

Yeah.

Oh, dude. How's Vegas treating you, bro? And you're right. You take shots with him. Yeah.

When you're around Will Ospreay, you will have a drink in your hand. That is just how that works. I drank with him on the Jericho Cruise along with the entire boat. We're going to talk about that too, later. Yeah, I would go Will Ospreay number two just because I would love.

Uh, to see them have their match again, they had a great match at the at the G1, and uh, it was Lance Archer. I love Lance Archer, he's my friend, but all, but also, I don't think he's gotten enough respect. I think he's a beast, he's a monster, he's in his mid-40s, he could still move, he could still work, he's awesome. Everyone must die, yeah, what a great catchphrase, everybody, yeah, uh, everybody dies, everybody, yeah.

So, it's like I would go him, everybody dies, man. Um, uh, uh, you got, you got, you got to do, you got to do Kenny Omega.

Okay, yep. Uh, that I'm gonna do some WWE, you guys. Hold on, you know, this is this is the BW, yeah. Because now, full, full, full disclosure, I'm mostly an AEW guy. That's what that, oh, so you got to get MJF as a heel.

All right, got to. Right now, he's my favorite heel in the business. Is that five? That's four, four, okay. Um.

All right, we'll go with WWE guy. I love Chad Gable. Oh, nice. I love that fact.

Now, are you getting him or are you getting OG Americana? Why would you get OG American? Why would I get him? Because they know each other, bro. He said, he has his number.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you would take one for the other. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I'm not trying to take up his picks. They got the same moveset. That's all I'm saying. I haven't seen Chad Gable in almost a year. I hope he's doing well.

Oh, no. We did see him. I saw him at the airport. No, when we were in Vegas, right? And I was like, what's Jad Gable doing?

Get in the ring. Yeah, right. I'd love to see him back in the ring. I'd love a dream match with him and El Grani Americano. That would be a damn dream.

You want to talk about it? Hunter, get on it. You want to talk about feeding generations? Yeah, let's do that.

So, Will Osprey, Lance Sarcher, Kenny Omega, MJF, Chad Gable. Those are the first five. And then just remind people: we're building the BWWA to be Williams Wrestling Associates. He could still go. He's a great worker.

He could sell like crazy. I'm going, Nick Nemet. Yes. Dolph Ziggler. Listen, when we were talking about wrestlers setting up matches backstage, he's the dude I was thinking of.

Because he's just like bouncing on his tippy toes, talking about, yeah, from there, you just do this. He made it seem so easy. My God. Dude knows it like the back of his hand. Underappreciated.

Yeah.

That was very underappreciated. See, I'm trying to build with some faces and some heels. I agree.

So I like having a little bit of everybody. This man's career is amazing to me. It's gone in waves, and I think he's having a bit of a resurgence right now. And I love it. I would throw the Miz in there.

Hardest working man ever. You got to throw some vets in there, man. You could have some young, exciting guys, but then you also got to throw in some vets that know how to storytell and know how to hold it down that can put on those types of really entertaining matches.

Well, Mitch told me on the Rich Eisen show last week. When I was trying to give him a guess who might be Dan Hausen's tag team partner, he got mad at me because I said Jacob Fought 2 was a better interview than him, and he threatened to slap me in the face. He wanted me to be Dan Hausen's tag team partner.

So, you know, if he's there, I'm bringing this kendo stick. See, now I'm thinking which one. You've got three spots left. Yeah, which one of the bloodline would I put in there? Because I got to put somebody.

Okay. Jacob That dude. Yeah, all gas, no bricks. All gas. That's a beast.

Um. All right, let's go. Yeah, let's go, Jacob.

Okay, Jacob fat two. Um, then he could cook. Really? That's what he said in our interview. I love that.

Um. And I'll go Penta. Penta. That's our guy. Yeah.

Penta, you made me cry. He made me cry legit tears because I was watching one of the AEW pay-per-views. They had the cage match with the Bucks. And that was an amazing match. You know, they put thumbtacks on their shoes and then they were delivering super kicks.

And as a father, right when the match ended, you saw him go up to his daughter and you saw him be like, daddy's okay. Daddy's okay. Damn you, Penta. I'm sitting here sobbing. I got a six-year-old.

I'm just like, yeah, daddy's okay. All right. Real quick. Yeah.

When you have a kid, I tell people, I used to be cold and ruthless. I was a ruthless warrior, TJ. My heart was ice.

Now, any wholesome moment, I'm like. You know, like I'm like, gets you, dude. When I'm on TikTok and I see like soldiers coming home, oh, yeah, that's going to get you.

Soldiers coming home. The dog recognizes the story. He's been gone for six years. The commercial put me down. Bro, you're talking about like, throw me a Subaru with the puppies.

I'm crying. I'm crying. Do I have one more? You got one more? Oh.

Olba. Come on now. Let's go, Olba. Come on, man. That is the future of this business.

Let me tell you something. I'm buying a ticket to come see the BWW. Yeah.

Hotspray, Archer, Omega, Friedman, Gable, Nemeth, Miz. Fatu, yeah, and Oba family. That'd be some fun matches in those 10. That's a I just want to see Archer and Oba just have a big man. Come on, big meeting men's meet slap and meet slap fest.

And then you got uh, oh man, yeah, you can you can get busy with this one, bro. Yeah, exactly. No, they're, there, there, there's, there's fun matches, and the a really great part is that right now, like comedy, there's just so much like for pro wrestling, there's so much out there. You can like the WWE, you can like AEW, you can like what they're doing in TNA, you can like like you, you, you can watch NXT, like you can watch it all, and it's so good. They all have their different styles, they all have their different ways of going, they all have their different stars, different people that they're pushing, and it's fun.

It's just fun. Wrestling is fun. I was gonna say, are there any wrestlers that you don't know that, like. Like there are certain people where I'm just like, I will never boo them. Like no matter what flipping from heel to face.

Bianca Belair remotely. Bianca Belair, for me, Roman in uh Baron Corbin. That's my boy. Baron Corbin. Baron Corbin's my boy.

Great attire. Oh, in the days. Maybe easily top 10 finishers of all time. An amazing finisher. Doesn't get.

I'm putting that. You know what's going to go down is an amazing finisher. Like, once it's all said and done, if she can keep doing it, soul snatcher. Oh, my. Every time she hits, I'm like, God.

Yeah, bro. That thing's pretty insane. I love that move so much. But yeah, it's, yeah, like there's all these different types, man. It's so wrestling, it is so fun right now.

It's in a great spot. The tribalism is so dumb. Yeah.

To me. Like, because as wrestling fans, we're all in a little bubble. Everyone thinks we're weird anyway. Yeah.

But now we're going to divide ourselves even more. Like, that's just well, and you talk to the wrestlers, they don't care. I don't give a damn. They don't care. They're like, oh, someone signed with such and such.

Great. Good for them. Good. They're getting paid. They're working.

Awesome. They know how hard this business is and their support. You asked me a question, I dodged it. I don't want to act like I dodged it. It was something about finishers.

No, no, no. It was a star that you don't know personally that you will never boo. Oh, okay. That I don't know, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Man, um, uh, uh. Bro Um Mm. It's tough because he's like the super face, but like, I can't boot Cody. I feel that I'll never boo Cody. I feel that.

There can be some Cody haters out there. Totally fine. I'll never boo that guy. To go and have the path that he did. You know, you could say Nepo Baby, whatever.

But Nepo Baby's up by a billion, by the way. That's his up by a billion. But then at the same time, you look at wrestling, there's a lot of Nepo babies in there. A lot of people come in. This is Tony.

Yeah.

Come on.

So, yeah.

So it's like coming in. Not getting it right exactly his first run, going out in the Indies, going AW, building up that Cody Rhodes character, blonde hair, the whole thing, dressed up like Captain America, to come back then to the WWE and be. What he is, and put on the matches and just truly be an ambassador for pro wrestling. I will never boo that man. And.

I will never boo John Cena. Oh, man, I made a career out of booing him. But you won't boo him anymore. No, he's a great guy. Dude, that's the thing: is that once I found out he had the record, you want to talk about emotional shit, the record almost make a wish is granted.

It's like, I can't boo that man. Yeah, right. I told my dad, and he was like, really? Yeah, impressive. That's all he got.

Yeah, you can't, you, you can't boo that. You can't boo him. Uh, there, there are just some people out there that are just really, really good people. And what they do, yeah, it's great.

So, though, those people now, there might be some guy going, like, I met Cody, he was an asshole. I don't know, he's always been really nice. He was a heel when he met him. Yeah, exactly. I love that you could always blame that on, oh, it was a heel.

Yeah, come on, dog.

Well, that's like comedians with roasting, where you're like, oh, you said some horrible shit. And I'm like, he's like, Yeah. Roast. That's what you do. You don't like horrible shit.

Don't watch a roast. That's what's going to happen. Don't go to a luau if you're a vegetarian. That's what's going to happen there. Drives me nuts.

Uh You're the director of Last. What's up? The Chris Jericho Rock and Wrestling Ranger. See? The director of Last.

Tell us about this job, but you have cards that you put out for this. I wish. Yeah, I book all the comedians on the Chris Jericho Rock and Wrestling Ranger. See, it's something that I love because it's. Pro wrestling, heavy metal comedy on a boat.

It's amazing. It's so much fun. If you buy in, you just have a great time. And yes, we've had some amazing comedians on there. And we even got Fluffy to do it one time.

Oh, yeah. Because Fluffy wanted to. He's a big wrestling fan. Fluffy said he wants to come on the podcast.

So sometimes he has people that work for him that are like, no, you're not getting paid enough. Or no, it's not worth your time. And Fluffy's the man because he was like, No, I want to do this. And so I get to book some of my friends and comedians who get it, who love wrestling, where there'd be, you know, like, and also there's a lot of comedian, or there's a lot of wrestlers now that are trying comedy. Like, yeah, yeah, good at it.

Nick Namath, he's good at it. He did it. He's been doing it for years. Yeah.

You know, so he, so he's doing well. But that all came about. It was crazy. I did a show one time at the Tampa Improv. And this woman com comes up to me after the show and and she's like, Oh man, I I had a great time and my husband's in entertainment, so I get it And I was and I'd go, Who's your husband?

You know, Okay And she's like, Chris Jericho and I'm like, Oh, nice.

Okay, she's like, I'm going to tell him you're really funny. And I'm like, sure, that'll go nowhere. And then, sure enough, two days later, in my DMs, hey, it's Chris Marico. Yeah, what's up, man? I'm coming to LA.

My wife says you're really funny. Would love you to hop on the podcast. I was like, All right. Yeah.

And then he started doing the cruise, and I literally texted him. It was like, I don't care. You don't have to pay me. Let me go on this cruise. Let me perform.

Let me do something. And he likes the fact that I'm a wrestling fan and I get it. And I go to all the events. Like, I'm not just the ones that I'm on. I'll watch the wrestling.

I'll go watch the live podcast. You'll get in the ring if necessary. I have been. Let's talk about the quote that brother trick another guy will never do. Yeah.

Let's talk about a little pop of pump here, bro. Bro, that's the craziest story because I have a fan. Who literally was like, Hey, I make these little chainmail things. Like, he loves Ren Fairs and stuff. And he goes, I make chainmail stuff.

I'm a big fan of yours. Can I make you something out of chainmail? And I'm like, racking my brain, like, what am I going to need a chainmail thing for? And then I go. Oh yeah.

Pop a pump. Steiner, he had the chain mail thing.

Okay, cool. Make me a Steiner thing.

So he makes me that. And I bring it to the Jericho cruise. Because why wouldn't you? Because why wouldn't I? And then I.

I have no intention of what I'm going to do with it. I'm just going, let me just have this. And literally. Before the main event happens on the Jericho cruise, I get a text from Jericho. Where are you?

And I'm like, I'm out here ready to watch the main event. He's like, get back here now. And I ran back there. He's like, okay, we were going to do this thing with Steiner doing a run-in, but Steiner went to bed.

So, like, we need someone. He goes, do you want to do the run-in? And I go, yeah. You know, I have this chain mail in my bag. I run, I grab it, I put it on.

Everyone's like, holy shit. It's a little pop a pump. And, you know, and the music hits, and I come out with sunglasses and the chain mail. And I'm flexing harder than I've ever flexed in my entire life. And all the wrestlers are great, man.

I got to give a couple of belly-to-belly suplexes. They made me look really awesome, but nothing. And I do mean nothing. As fun as that was. There have been some memories.

That was great. I got to give a Dudley Boys What's Up headbutt to the guns. That was fun. That was great. Got to be in the ring with Ultimo.

Dragon. I'm wearing his shirt. Um But nothing will top. Me and Hornswoggle on the Jericho cruise, where we had been feuding all week. And uh and at one point Like, we were avoiding each other on purpose.

Oh, we didn't even know what was going to happen on the cruise. We're like, let's just keep this going.

So, we. And we pass each other one time completely accidentally and literally A crowd forms around us as we're passing each other, going. And so I'm like, oh shit, we got to do something.

So I look at Dylan and I'm like.

Okay. Uh he goes. Yeah, you hit me. All right. Craig's back.

Bah! Slaps me across my face. The whole place goes nuts. And then I start yelling at him, This stuff is not over. This is not over.

So then. Main event at the Cherico Cruise that night. There's a match, and the referee gets knocked out. Swaggle comes out. He's wearing a guest referee shirt.

Everyone's like, okay, Swaggle's going to count for the good guy. And he goes, one, two, stops the count. Double birds to the good guy, which I think was Flip Wilson. And wait, Flip. Yeah.

Flip Gordon.

Sorry. Flip Wilson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Flip Gordon.

And then he double birds to Flip. Everyone's going nuts. And then I run out.

Okay. And then we stand. like I come up and I just kind of tap him, he turns around. We're standing Eye to eye, which is the only person I could do that with. And then the crowd starts chanting, holy shit, holy for a stare down.

And I'm like, this is amazing. And, um, Swaggle's looking at me and he's like Hold, hold, hold. And he's telling me to milk it, which thank you, because I would have rushed to the punchline.

So I'm like, hold, okay, cool. And we're just staring at each other, the crowd's chanting. And then I just. Kick him in the stomach, stunner, the boat goes nuts. And I'm just like, this.

Just that. Just that little... Dip my toe into wrestling, just that little, yeah, just right there, was enough for make me to go, oh. That's why these guys do this shit. Because that pop was just like, oh my God.

It was so great. What was better than that, or just telling a joke that you constructed for a while and have it hit? No, the stunner. I'll take that. Like, I see my buddy Jelly Roll, and he gets to go into the ring, and he gets to do some stuff.

And he's taking it seriously. I was with him last week, and we were talking about it. And I'm looking at him, dude, like, oh, I want to do this so bad. I got to see Wee Man got to body slam Sami Zayn at WrestleMania. That was crazy.

That was so cool. That was fun. Yeah.

And I'm like looking at that, I want to do that. I want to do something so. Danhausen, like I said. Right. And speaking of Danhausen.

Speaking of Danhausen, right, I know you were saying that you wanted to be one of the, but you sure you never did. You sure you never did it before? Wrestling? The Danhausen thing. Oh, I've never done the Danhausen stuff.

You sure? Positive. Yeah.

I saw a picture. There's no way we pulled this off. How much money do we really have? That kind of looks like you. That is incredible.

Please show. Dan Hausen, you know, I can be in your corner. I can put a little curse on someone. Just a little curse. Look at that.

Yeah, dude. That's incredible. Print that picture back up. Can we pop that up? Print that shit out.

It's weird how it kind of looks like Seth Green. Stop it, Seth Green, a little bit, dude. It's the eyes. I would love to have a king of the ring with me, Seth Green, Kevin Hart, and Cat Williams, and just see who is the number one short guy. Let's have it out.

That's my dream match. Brad, this has been dope, bro. Glad you came in and stopped. But before we let you go, there's a question that we got to ask you because everyone has to answer this question. Shay, hit him off with it real quick.

Ask away. Yes, sir. It's a troubling situation, brother. You're at a bar. Mm-hmm.

There's fifty dudes at this bar. Yeah.

Oh, I know what I'm going to answer. Yeah.

There's 50 dudes at this bar, and they do not. Lot, Carol sent them. These are all Carol's uncles, her neck. Carol's thugs. Oh, my God.

And you were telling some jokes that they did not like. All right, all right.

So I need you to pick a team of yourself. And four other wrestlers of any promotion, of any time, to make sure that Brad is getting home.

Okay. Diego and Daisy. Ooh, I love that. There's the one name that popped in my list immediately because of just the stories I have heard. Haku.

Oh, the Hall of Fame. We kind of got to the point at one point where we were going to do this question and say, name anyone but Haku. But Haku. Yeah.

But Haku. When wrestlers say that that's the guy they want, that's back them up. I'm like, that's the guy.

Okay. So I go Haku. You would think I would go Lesnar, but I know that prime Kurt Angle. Woo-hoo! What could take down Brock Lesnar as a wrestler?

So I would do Prime. Broken freaking neck. With a broken freaking neck. He would do it.

So I would do Prime Kurt Angle. Let's see.

So I got four? Yeah, four. You got two more. Mark Henry. Yep.

Let's go. Bro, I asked him his personal record. He said, I squatted 1,006. Like, come on. That's stupid.

That's a video game. That's Street Fighter taking out the car with a hundred hands slap. Like, that's not. All right. And one more, one more tough guy that if I'm in there, I need to know that I'm coming out alive with Hot.

Well, first of all, I think I would just need Haku. But Haku, Mark Henry. Oh. Easy. Prime Andre.

Yep. That's exactly what I was thinking. Prime Andre. This is the second time in a row Andre has been picked, by the way. Bro, how do you not?

I love the story of him teaching the Ultimate Warrior to slow down. Slow down. Slow down during your matches. Boom. Just hold out the fist.

He's learning. The thing about Andre is like, if you're of a certain age, you started to know about Andre the Giant, I'd say around, you know, 84, 85.

So you already saw the Andre a little bit older. You go on YouTube, you look at young Andre. I'm talking from like 1976. Bro, doing drop kicks. Drop kicks.

He's seven foot tall. He's 370 pounds. Yeah.

Yeah.

So you, Andre. Mark Henry, Laku, and Kurt Angle. Nope. No one's no one's walking out. And they're tripping.

We're all walking out with not a scratch on us with that one. Andre just swings. 20 of them. Anybody want a peanut? Yeah.

Love that. I'm walking out a free man in the light. I think you're just sitting on the bar having a beer. Oh, I'm enjoying it. I'm just laughing my ass off.

Aren't you sad? Carol sent you? Yeah.

I got friends, motherfucker. Ripping throats. All right, Brad. Tell us about your tour dates, man. Where can everybody see you coming up, my brother?

Go to BradWilliamsComedy.com. By the time this comes out, I'm taking the summer off. But then, right when my daughter goes back to school, I'm going back on the road.

So starting in September, I'm going all over the country. In December, I'm going all over the world. I'm going to Scotland. I'm going to Sweden. I'm going to England.

Like, I'm going to Amsterdam.

So, yeah, BradWilliamsComedy.com. That's where you can also check out my podcast, Heighten Babble with me and JB Ball. And then that's where you can also watch my specials: Starfish, which Just hit 9 million views. That was the last one. And now, this one live on Short Street.

It is my favorite. It is fun. I had a good time. I'm really glad you guys enjoyed it. Don't wear flip-flops around, Brad.

No, no. And then just run around. If you meet a Carol, tell her fuck that bitch. Brad Williams, thank you, Brad. Brad Hausen, Brad Hausen, you are cursed, please.

Carol, we're coming for you. Yeah, Brad Williams, super chilled. Yeah, man, that was fun. It's always fun when we can. Have a celebrity fan.

Yeah.

I dig that. I dig those shows. You know, we told them we're trying to get fluffy. I'm. I might steal my dad's phone and see if we can get Snoop.

Oh, no, come on, man. You a hall favorite. Snoop's a rehold fancy. Snoop's been to this studio multiple times. Used to be the uh For the Super Bowl, he was the Rich Eisen show.

A guy who went around to interview the team. Wow, that's hard. He was the Rich His Show correspondent. That's good. As he said, he was doing analystm.

Oh, cut. Oh, right. Yeah.

Hey. I used that word yesterday. Hey, pause. But uh, yeah. Hey man, I need to get off of that job.

You know what? Let me talk about this real quick. I have been coming to this studio a whole lot over the last year and a half. And I am a Series regular on the Rich Island show. You know, it's not one picture of me around here.

Yeah, so he over there hugged up with uh Jimmy Smiths or whoever the hell and and people all in the hallway. Not one picture of me. Why would there be? You work here. Un bro.

It is a crime. You work here now. It's yeah, there's pictures of you. No, there's not on the wall. Oh no, it Talking about no brothers on the wall, Rick.

Well, that's the thing. There are brothers. I've made sure that. Damn it. Yeah, so TJ, you are.

D-Lo, be ready to bleed. Don't bleep. All right. God. You're not getting your picture on the wall, man.

I need a picture on the wall, man. I'm the black son around here. I'm here. Unbelievable. Anyway.

Thank you, Brad Williams. TKO We all you. We love you, we just want you to love us back, right? And I'm saying, I'm a serious TKO. If you need to bring in a couple brothers, like tell us about the history of this, what that's what we're here for, yeah, bro.

Charles Rice, what up, Chuck? You know, come on, baby. Am I still a client? I mean, I ain't got a Christmas card in a while. I'm saying, bro, you invite me to the little Oscar party, and that's it.

You don't call, you don't write anyway. If you want to know how to get a hold of us, TJ, tell them where to find us. All right. So to watch this great interview we had with Brad Williams today, just make sure you follow us on socials. First of all, you go to the YouTube, and I said the YouTube, that's right.

And you type out Rich Eisen's show or just type no contest wrestling. You'll be able to see every episode from one to this one, which I believe is 84. Might be 85. 85. 85, 85.

Or the Ocho Cinco? Yeah.

Ocho Cinco. 185. Or on socials, you follow us on Twitter at There's No Contest. Instagram, No Contest Wrestling Podcast. On TikTok, No Contest Wrestling Pod.

And everywhere, you know, you listen to your podcast, ESPN, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music. We're everywhere, basically. Yada, I mean. You know, Ocho Senko is not how you say 85. Yes, I do know that.

That boy is crazy. He changed his name to that for real. Yeah, right. Full. 85.

85 episodes, G. Yeah.

15 to 100. Donde Esta Bibliotheca. I do not speak German. That's right, man. On behalf of myself and TJ Jefferson, make sure you have a good day, but not too good.

So the hell you think you are? Oh, look, look, we've got Danny DeVito. We got Billy Bob Fucker Shaq. Look at this guy. Looks like a silhouette.

Let's see who I am. There's Will Farrell and John C. Riley. Yep. There's Ken Jong, I believe.

Oh, Henry. That's Superman down there. There's Chris Weber. You know what I mean? Who?

Oh, he went to Michigan. I did. Anthony Anderson. And look at that. A spot for Shane.

Michael Douglas. See, you ain't beating Michael Douglas on the wall. Michael, you know Michael Keaton's name is Michael Douglas? I. Did not know that.

Yeah, he had to change it because of Michael Douglas. By the way, speaking of Miss Parker, I did not like the way they put her and Callie Armstrong against one another. I didn't like the way they're playing with us. Yeah, I didn't like that at all. We're going to have to get to the bottom of that next week.

All right. Don't make me bring my kendo stick to the floor. You heard. Kendo stick. Oh, bye, Ms.

Parker. Oh, yeah, bye Ms. Parker again. That's two tasks.