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To another Wednesday episode of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. I am The main character of Twitter. The heel that you love to hate, O'Shea Jackson Jr., K.A. Petty Guerrero. Hey, yo, it's me.
It's me. It's the T-double-O, the J-I-G-G, two Jiggy, TJ Jefferson. And I just look at Twitter lately and I just. I shake my head, man. Oh, TJ.
What up, though? How quickly do they forget? How quickly do they forget? Why They come to me for my wrestling takes. These people.
They just seem to forget. They seem to forget where I got most of my following from. Where you started to see me be retweeted by all the blogs and pages and all that before all of this. They think that I call myself the heel that you love, they hate because it sounds cool. I, in my heart of hearts, Have been an internet villain for half a decade now.
You like that though? It is not. I am not. Trying. Purposely to upset people, but if I do.
So be it. I don't I I just I I I can't Not I I can't care. I can't care. Because if I care, if I care, then I start to censor myself and then I start to not be shay. And boy, let me tell you.
I gotta be shamed because everybody else is taken. And you love me for me. And boy, I have to remind these people. They dislike you sometimes. I have to remind these people who is the heel that they love to hate and why they love to hate me.
Because I couldn't just be like a regular celebrity and just try to sell y'all shit all the time. Just try to promo here. Oh, make sure you get this fit T and all this other stuff that these celebrities do. But no, I'm a real person. I'm a real person.
I'm a real wrestling fan, and I got a real opinion. And I don't care, anybody can get it. Anybody can get it. And when I see you being crazy, I retweet you and I throw you to the wolves and say, everybody who got the funny retweets and all that, I got news for you. I'd be muting in conversation anyway.
You're just talking to the void, bro. It's okay, man. I said what I gotta say. Why do I care what y'all gotta say to rebuttal? And plus, most of y'all just wanna get your jokes off anyway, and half of y'all are robots.
So I am feeling like You don't know Dragon Ball Z? I've heard that. Yeah, you know, but like, there's a character. By the name, we all want to be Goku. We all want to be Goku.
I know him. We all want to be the peaceful guy who finds a way and everybody loves. When in our heart of hearts, most of us are probably Vegeta. And right now, I am feeling. Very Majin Vegeta.
You see, TJ Vegeta was, you know, he's the prince of all Saiyans, and like he is an elite warrior, but then he. He started to get a little soft. He started to get a little happy. Like Robert Garaffian, a little bit? Oh, a little bit, yeah.
A little bit, like, you know, a little more drunk and, you know, just enjoying life a little bit too much. And you know what the the the The success of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast, and I am so grateful for everybody who listens to our yapping. But man, I've been feeling too good lately, and I needed a reminder of my evil self. And boy, do I. Feel Good, TJ.
You know, for those of you who tuning into the show today. You don't spend all day on social media and Twitter, and you're sitting there asking yourself whether you're listening on ESPN or you're listening on Apple or Spotify, or you're watching this on YouTube where you can find all of this. And you're thinking, What the hell is this man talking about? It was Shea versus Twitter this week, and it all went on to CM Punk against Roman Reigns. And here's your tweet.
Why don't you read it out loud for the folks? Bro, first of all, what is this seven and a half point funk? It's hard to read. But you know, so anyway, I said, man, Roman. been apologized all right He even acknowledged Jay in this clip.
And then I show a clip. Of him yeeting, all right? When he yeeted, and it was a whole thing. Nobody thought Roman would yeet. It was a beautiful moment.
We all remembered it, we all loved it.
Now, I can count on one hand. How many actual I'm sorries I got from family.
Now, my bad, my fault, I was tripping, I was wrong, I lost myself. Y'all know how I get, you know how I am. Those are family apologies. You know what's not there though? Yeah.
Yeah. Hold on, because I'm going to get you too. But like. Simple joke. Simple joke.
It's not that crazy. It was not that crazy. You know, I have to apologize real quick. Yeah. To even get more in detail, right?
We're going back to Roman Reigns, CM Punk. Last week, they had their one-on-one face-off where Punk said that he was going to bury Roman next to his father, the great Wild Samoan Sika.
So, of course, there's a lot of talk going around in the world about, wow, that was kind of wild. This week on Raw, the Usos came, they confronted CM Punk. They basically wanted an apology, not necessarily towards Roman, but to the family, to their uncle. And this is where. I think I've caught you all up pretty much as to how we got to the point where my man just was trying to scorch Earth Twitter the last few hours.
So here we are right now caught up. The entire tweet. Was just so I have to list some funny things that people say instead of I'm sorry. But you know, it's like, you know how it is. Like, you know what it is.
It's my bad. Because it's family. Yeah. Because it's family. Are you great?
Here's a great one. You left out. You want something to eat? Yeah. You hungry?
Yeah. You know, like, you know, but like, you know, you know. Boy, I woke up to. Everywhere I look was soap boxes. Everybody on a soapbox.
Everybody wants to get some sort of bars off on me? Me?
So, put yourself out there, though.
So, I. I'm an ESPN employee now, so it was a lot tamer than I used to be like 2019, 2020. Yeah, we got kicked kids. Yeah, but. Me?
So if you want me. I'm a man of the people. For the people. If you want me to be a villain, I will. gladly be the village?
Bro, that's it. Just knock on the door. I love visitors. Matter of fact, I don't even lock my doors. I accept all challenges.
So, like, dog, I'm like. I could just ignore these, but... I want to have some fun this morning. I was up early. Felt good.
I was outside playing basketball a little bit, feeling great. Have a triple-double? Yeah. I was by myself. Kind of weird.
You thought I would pass stats, like bam out of biome? Anyway.
So. I then might have gone on a bit of a tirade and might have replied to a bunch of people who don't who want to act like they don't know wrestling. And the fact that We have gotten to the point where like We're acting like Roman Reigns and the Usos didn't squash they beef. What are we talking about? Roman didn't say sorry?
He didn't. He didn't say sorry. Look around. Look around right now. All right.
Jay, world heavyweight. He was a world heavyweight champion. Won it at WrestleMania. We were there. Seen it.
You know, we seen it, salted. Like now, currently, the tag team champions of Raw. You look over on SmackDown, their little brother. Tag team champion over there.
So like MFT. What? Are we talking about?
Sorry, do we not remember Jay coming out, telling Roman, if you disrespect me, if you say, well, I'm out of here, all of that, yada yada, and then the yeet. And then every time, Roman has come to save them. Uh uh any time that Roman and Jay were coming out. Roman came out first. OTC, tribal chief, the needle mover, coming out first.
So he's giving Jay the big dog spot. Giving Jay the big dog spot in the entrances. That means nothing now because y'all didn't hear, I'm sorry. How many times have they dapped it up, hugged each other, all of that? But y'all didn't hear, I'm sorry, because of what he did as a heel, and now he's a babyface.
Peace. When the Undertaker When the Undertaker turned babyface, did he ever apologize for all the people he hung up from the rafters? When the rock single-handedly got Yeah. Head chair shots. Banned.
From WWE because he cracked Mick Foley across his skull so many times that they had the ban headshots. That was disgusting. Did The Rock ever say sorry when they started the Rock and Sock connection? They probably did. Or not on television, it don't count.
Dog We are like Kfabe and like real like I don't know where They think things are right now. But where in the world Is The things that Roman and the Usos went to go do after the. Tribal chief lost to Cody Rhodes.
Okay. Everything after that. was nothing but mending. Nothing but mending. And now we're acting like that wasn't.
A long month. More matches, times of I'm sorry. The Sam Punk thing is different because the WWE universe is not telling him to say, I'm sorry because of what he said. Not even the WWE higher-ups, the suits, they're not saying tell them I'm sorry. His homies Are coming in the ring and be like, tell us you still talking about Roman, bro.
It's not about Roman. Tell us. Matter of fact, The Usos were on their way out the door. Until Jackie Redmond was like, hey, you ain't got nothing to say to CM Punk? I mean, you even went after Jackie Redmond on the show.
I mean, like, are we not watching the same show? I and people want me People want me to look crazy, y'all. And I will let y'all know right now, as God is my witness, I have paperwork that says I'm not crazy.
So I'm not going to let y'all make me seem like I'm crazy. I swear for God, TJ. And if, and two white men. Yeah. Like, I I I am really creeping back into my heel persona online, and I don't want to go there because we've been having a very successful show.
But they keep playing with me. All right. And I will quote my my family. Check yourself before y'all wreck yourself. Because I got a lot of time, bro.
Yeah. Man, I feel good. I wore black for y'all today, too. Like, I've been trying to dress like a grown-up, but man, I'm always a monster, bro. I wish, I don't hope.
I wish. That's the thing. A lot of people hope. Yeah, a lot of people got hope. We don't, we don't hope.
Not in no context, baby. We wish. I wish A mother effort would, bro. And yeah, y'all are wrong. Y'all are wrong.
CM Punk, I'm not blaming him. He's out there by himself. He's pulling he is still being The punk that we know, stirring the drink, being the straw that stirs the drink. Got the wrestling world yelling at each other because of stuff that he's pulling out by himself without Roman.
Now, Roman's about to be here three weeks in a row. It's about to get really cooking right now. But like I can't let y'all be in the comment section acting like y'all don't remember. The Roman reigns that made that the tribal chief as a whole. Everybody wants to talk about not having the title defenses and he was never there and all that.
These are all valid arguments. Dog, in the beginning, this dude was there every week. Like, like, when he probably shouldn't have been during the pandemic and all of that, he wasn't during the pandemic. Hook it. During the, I mean.
The pandemic is a long time. Time in real life. I'm talking about Thunderdome. The Thunderdome, Roman, and Jay are putting on master classes. cinema without fans.
That doesn't work. without Like There were people on there who act like Roman didn't bring it. Like it was just something that was put together because Paul Heyman was there, it worked, or because, like, timeout. I don't want to interrupt you, but you're not going to take away the importance of Paul Heyman. No one exact character.
No one said that Paul wasn't important. Make sure. But you saying that Romans are not important and all of that is crazy. Because just throwing on Paul, we've seen that not work before. Shout out to my man, Curtis Axe.
And Ryback and Cesaro, and like it has not worked before.
So fans have this. Revision this history, and we don't have to do that. CM Punk is bringing it, Roman is bringing it. We know why they're the main event because of their star power.
Now, you don't have to diminish the other one or act like. We didn't watch the same show all this time. And I just couldn't stand it yesterday. I couldn't stand it yesterday. Just here's a reminder that we're going to have a guest today, too, later on.
That's going to be Nikki Blackheart. She's going to be making her second appearance here, but no contest.
So stay tuned for that. But I understand what you're saying. And you know me, I love Roman, right? I'm a Roman Reigns fan. But you have to give some credence to what some of the arguments are.
Like, And saying that business was as great as it's ever been. And, you know, what we learned from John Cena is all about data. Right. And they're saying that at that point when Roman was on top, business was doing the best, right? I don't think anyone can argue that because we don't have the numbers.
We got to go by what they said. But we also can't sit here and deny the fact that he wasn't there. all the time like It's I don't know how you can say he is Solely responsible for this boom in business. If I turn on Raw or SmackDown, Three out of four weeks, and you're not there.
So, that there's, I'm just, and these things maybe not.
Sometimes I give opinions of what I see on social media. I do that a lot on the Eisen Show.
Sometimes I'll ask a question, I already know the answer, but I know people have been talking about it. Same thing here. I know people are saying exactly what I just said. Are they my opinions? I don't know.
But, It's definitely been said and is being said to counteract You know, you're already the. The idea that one person is the The sole reason why business is here now. Like, I get it. When you are the tip of the spear, it's easy to get that off. And people that try to have these arguments, but like.
When you're a kid, And you got G.I. Joe. G.I. Joe needs somebody to go up against, right? Every champion.
needs a foil. Or else it doesn't work. Ali needed Joe Frazier, right? Hulk Hogan needed Roddy Piper in the evening. You know what I mean?
And Luke Skywalker didn't do it alone. Like, like. It is, it's great to be the number one guy. And yes, you might be the tip of the spear, but like there are the talent on the roster. That is also a key part of why business is booming.
And also, every single new tip of the spear guy. Is going to be able to say, well, I put the company in record-breaking numbers. They've been doing it since Stone Cold Steve Austin. That's just everyone says that. He is the only one that seems to be being held accountable.
Oh. Like every word that Roman says is being so scrutinized and measured and all that stuff. Like, we don't know what wrestling is. And as fans, As a fan myself, I get frustrated when I see other fans do that like Y'all know everybody says this. Y'all know every WrestleMania break the record.
Every single one has broke the record. Like, wait till next year. Yeah, dog. Like, we so stop acting like. They either act like they're too bought into the storyline where you are ignoring reality, or you.
Want to be so By the book, and in reality, that you forget that he got to push a story. Like, so. I I was getting at people all day because We all watch that same thing. When you see CM Punk say that Roman didn't. He was scared to defend his title.
And then I list everybody he had a title defense against during that tribal chief run. It'd be a number of times. And the number of times he did it. and asked, What else did y'all want him to do? And then I was getting responses like uh Well, 36 title defenses in four years isn't the flex you think it is.
What is I no, I asked you what else did you want him to do? He fucked Daniel Bryan five times. I had to look that up. I'm like, damn, really? Five?
How many rematches did y'all want? Like there had to be a new process of telling this story because there was a guy that they saw that they wanted it to end with in Cody Rhodes. We got to get to Cody.
So, what did y'all want him to do during that time that you haven't seen a thousand times? And why would you believe that that time would be different than all the others?
So they, yeah, they ran into a situation where Maybe he can't defend it every month because it just wouldn't have made sense. And y'all know it wouldn't have made sense. You would have ate that up. You would have hated that.
So now you want to act like You don't know better. And that kills me. Don't play dumb. You're playing dumb. You know what we saw.
He ran out of people, dog.
So then you have to do things like put holes in his armor.
So now we have to pay more attention to Jay and Sammy. And is that going to work? And that's getting more, and Roman ain't got to be there for that. Like, push that story along, but without those stories, Roman would be unbeatable. Because, like, you have to have those holes in the armor.
We've seen Unreal, we see their process of writing. All right, so like you know what they've talked about in that room. Can you imagine having to put on the same rematches? Triple H had to be Triple H and Road Dog almost went at each other over R-Truth vs. Cena.
which really should have been just a simple thing. But Okay. Triple H saying that John Cena shouldn't be afraid of our truth. It was almost the end of the world. Can you imagine having to explain in that room why he's going up against Daniel Bryan a sixth, seventh time and why it's different?
So, like, dude, we ran out of top guys. Roman was the champ for four years. And this isn't the whole Colgan era or whatever where You can have a thousand title defenses because he's on T V every week. Y'all are on social media every day. Trashing it.
Whether you like it or not, like it is an era where everything is under a microscope. More than what they could have got away with back then.
So. We know better as fans and we still got a bitch. We still have to bitch. They hate Jey Uso so much online, because not in real life, but online. And then he gets in the chamber because my man Bronson Reed gets hurt.
WWE finds a way to take him out of the match, and they still didn't like that. Still mad. No matter what would have happened, y'all would have had something to complain about, but I'm not going to act like those 36 defenses weren't. didn't make sense at the time. But nah.
If it's somebody who hates Roman, We gotta get on it right now. And of course, it's CM Punk. What the best part about this is I'm a fan of both these guys, and both of them are the reasons why I was an internet heel in the first place. The AEW people hated me because I was a CM Punk guy and I rode for CM Punk constantly. The WWE people couldn't stand me because I was a trap, bro.
bloodline all day. And now both of them are on T V. I can't get mad at either one. See, I think the problem is, and maybe m the problem I had with it, it seemed like everything punk would say or put on social media, you would be so quick to defend Roman. It's like you're.
Seemed like you were a little swinging too hard on Roman Wynn if you got to look at this from. This being real, okay. CM Punk's been on our show three times. Roman Reigns has done eight minutes with us. You're actually friends with CM Punk.
Yeah. So my thought is like This is your man, and yet you are just riding for this other dude who really ain't done nothing for you, as opposed to a dude. Who kinda has done this stuff for you?
So, in my opinion, that's so, I'm reading your tweets, and that's where my thought process is. Like, you're really riding hard for this dude, but like, in reality, this dude over here. It's probably the reason we're sitting here at episode number. 76. 76.
You know, so that yesterday. I I had a tweet. Duh is a positive tweet. Positive tweets never get to play that they should. I said, this is really.
This really shows how good Punk is because he's doing this by himself. Dolo. The biggest thing that everybody was getting on punk about. Him mentioning Romans there. I never said a word about.
Didn't say nothing, which by the way is crazy. That's just like because in AEW, um Christian Cage. His entire character is talking about wrestlers' dead fathers. He not only, Nick Wayne, his father passed Buddy Wayne, he took him under his arm, and then he brought his mom Dukes into the four, into the fray. Like everything about Christian is.
Talking about someone's dead father.
So I can't believe the fact that Punk said what he said would elicit such a response because. The man over here is his whole character. Bro, he's talking about people's dead dads. Bro, it's wrestling, bro. And you think he came out and just said that on his own?
Like, just out of the blue? Said that? Come on. I didn't jump on this. Oh, man.
Phil needs to rely on people talking about.
Now, if Roman brings up Larry, like, bro, which he should, because it's wrestling. It's like. We know what we're looking at, and people just are so selective in what they want to be reacting to.
Now, The things that I was going off about yesterday is the same shit that I've been saying since before. Punk even came back. Like, this has been... This was my whole thing during Roman's reign. And people act like they forget.
And so when I see this still happening, I gotta react. It's not to get on punk when punk's. Worst thing I'm so worried about because I know what I'm watching, and he's in his bag. What happened. Last, or yeah, last episode, the one thing I hear punk about.
I said Jimmy caught you with that right hand. Oh, by the way, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, not purposely, but that one land didn't caught your ass with that right hand.
He said, I'm suing. But yeah, like, that's it. I've had no issues with either side. I'm just saying you from outside looking around. It seems like you're more on the punks or the Roman side than the punks.
Well, I do not expect Roman Reigns to win. What? No! He shouldn't. He shouldn't.
Everybody's telling me he's never here. Why the f why would he win? Because he's Roman Reigns. This is what I because he's rowing reigns. That's what you gotta watch.
This is why you gotta watch. But, like, I don't expect him to win. Really? No. That's interesting.
If he wins, I'm gonna be like, first, I will be so annoying. But, like. Expecting the win. Everybody, every Where you look, everybody's talking about, like, is he even going to even be here?
So why the hell would you put the belt on him? Because Because it's Roman Reigns. It's Roman Reigns. But you make that belt go away. Then we're going to make another one.
You're going to mock this because that's what you do. But you're like me when I see the Clippers play the Sixers. No matter who, no matter, even when I lose, I win. You know what I'm saying?
So I'm just trying to give you an example.
So you're saying, no matter what, no matter who wins. Don't you ever listen. The point being, no matter who wins or who loses, you're going to win. I mean, yeah, but like, when I lose, I win. Yeah, yeah.
Shout out to the loser. It was really great for me. This is, yeah, this is the first time. That's ever going to happen in the WrestleMania main event. But yeah, either way, I mean, I'm chilling.
It's my favorite versus my friend. I don't expect my favorite to win because You never hear. He's never here. If you're gonna be here, then that's different. The Uso thing is adding a new layer.
So let's talk about that. That's predictable now. Let's get back to that. That's the thing, right? Because.
All of this other stuff was your opinion on Twitter, but this really happened.
So, like you said. Usos about to dip. Jimmy Is you know, he's always a little bit more in control. Jay's a little bit of more of the hothead.
So, Jay's already a little heated still about what Punk said. Jackie Rebbin says what she says now they're going to go back out. The way Jay was going off. It's kind of what you expected, right? You got to apologize.
But the way Jimmy was like, He was more like Jake the Snake Roberts, right? Like, honestly, a really good look for Jimmy, by the way. Yeah, because the thing about, like, when we always talk about. Great promo guys, right? One of the guys, or a couple of guys I love growing up, were always Arn Anderson and Jake the Snake Roberts.
Why? Because. While most guys, especially back in then, would yell and scream and rant to get their opinions and their thoughts crossed. Keep going. Arn, Jake would just stare right down the barrel of the camera, and they would tell you.
You know, something and they pull out some type of reference, like a four horseman or, you know, something that Jake the Snake would say that you were like, I don't even know what that is, but never raised their voice. And they would look at you cold and calculated, and they would tell you what was about to go down. And then you'd get DDT'd or whatever. That was kind of Jimmy. Like, he didn't really yell and scream and rant.
He was just like, Look, this is the fact. This is what happened. This is what you need to do. And so shout out to Big Jim. I mean, you were mad at Big Jim for a few months.
I'm still mad at Big Jim. I'm still mad at him. What? Naomi.
Okay, because Big Jim liked the Netflix and chill too much, and he messed up one of the greatest storylines that we've had, but she'll be back. Big Jim got me nervous about Bianca and Montez kicking it at the house. Bro, it's been a long time, bro. But yeah, so, you know, they're basically like, you need to apologize. And then Punk went on this thing about how he spent time with the wild Samoans, how he was closer to Offa than Seeker, but still, you know, and he babysat their cousin Lance.
And then he brought up Samu. Quick TJ story.
Somebody, shout out to someone on YouTube the other day that was like, TJ has a weird connection to almost everything. And I was like, yeah, I've been around. Sam Mu. From the wild Samoans, the head shrinkers. back in the day.
At Altoona, at the Jaffa Mosque, I sat next to his wife one day when I was in junior high and talked to her, and she let me come. Behind the arena with her to meet him, and he sat in his minivan with me. And he let me, as a young journalist, do a story on him. Man, so always shout out. I don't know if I've ever told that story here on the show, but shout out to Samu the Simoan because I'll never forget that.
Just sitting in the sitting in his minivan, you know, when the side doors open, and he's just talking to this kid who loved wrestling, man.
So that just kind of popped me when I heard his name. I want to thank him for taking the time because who knows if he doesn't do that, maybe I'm not here doing this. But the point being, he made this connection to the whole family, you know, and he talked about spirituality and could seek to hear what was going on and all that was going on. And then he's like, I'm sorry. But the way he said, I'm sorry.
Yeah. And then he called the Russo's. Young boys.
Now, for those that don't watch New Japan. Young boys, like they would put these young wrestlers that were training in the dojos. They're the young boys, they clean up after the stars. They do their laundry, they cook for them. When you watch New Japan, you'll see these guys around the ring and track.
Padawan. Padawan, exactly. These are all the young boys. If you go back and you watch like 10 years ago, right? You'll see stars of the day now.
You know, you'll see the Jay Whites and the Finleys and guys like that who are all now players. They all started out over there as young boys. And it's crazy when you go back, you will even see like Okada, I believe, as a young boy. You'll see Tanahashi as a young boy back in the day. But that is not something that you say.
To veterans to multiple-time tag team champions. You don't call them young boys, man. And so that is why he got starched. Yeah, you know, so and like If you're watching it, you're like, dang, it it really seemed like it should be Stomping them out or anything. Right?
It was one quick little hit and they backed up. The one crack medevac, as they say on the island, one crack medevac. Look, I want to get into this with you more, and I'm sure we will. But we got a special guest, man. At the door.
You and I have been longtime fans of since. We both looked at Twitter one day and saw a picture and we The next day we were in the studio going, um. We need to be in the business of this person. Immediately. Yeah.
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Hey, welcome back to the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. How's everything? How's everything been? We hear. Through the internet, there's been things that you've been a little busy about, but how are you so far?
I'm doing awesome. Ever since I saw you guys, a lot has been going on. Like you said, I've been pretty busy and very blessed too at the same time. You know, as you guys saw, I've been going to different promotions, different states. Obviously, recently had the WWE tryout.
So yeah, I've been doing a lot lately.
Now With uh you know, with you going to all these different promotions. You know, been going around to different states and things like that. Where have you had the most fun at? You know, is there any city that's really stand out to you? And also, talk to us about that journey of.
You know, taking the internet by storm when we first spoke to you. And kindo What your wrestling career has been like going to all these new spots with Nikki Blackheart. I want to say the most fun so far, because I got to do so much and meet so many different people, would be WrestleCade. I did a couple of different shows in the same week, and like I said, I met so many, so many people.
So that's definitely something that's going on in the memory bank.
So that was really exciting. But overall, I always have fun. I tried my best to, you know, do. whatever I need to do to to have fun because for the longest time I wasn't having fun. I know I mentioned that to you guys because I was like taking everything so seriously and trying to be a perfectionist all the time.
But the second that I stopped putting that pressure on myself, everything became a lot a lot better.
So. Now you you blew up over social media. There was a picture that came out And people were like, who is this? Where does she wrestle? What's this all about?
And that's how we became aware of you.
So. In that time since that happened till now, since the last time we spoke with you. If I could ask you like what's the biggest thing that you've learned about this business. since that happened. Since we're learning about the business, I think that applies to the entertainment industry.
And I know you guys can relate to this where it's like. Everything happens very quickly. It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Then it's like, rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. And you just have to be ready for anything because you could be, you know, here one day, needed somewhere else the next day.
There's just like so much going on all the time. And you just never know when you're going to fit in the role that they're looking for at that point.
So you just got to be ready. And I feel like, like I said, that applies to entertainment overall.
So the biggest, biggest thing I would say is stay ready because you never know when you're getting a call for an opportunity. You never know when you're going to run into somebody that. You know, it might help you to your next thing that you're doing or the next step in your journey.
So, for me, it's always been like, stay ready, whatever that looks like for you. But, whether that's your in-ring cardio, your look, you know, having proper gear, just like, Whatever that means for you, just be ready because you never know when it's going to happen. Everything moves very fast because all of this, I mean, the picture came out. Beginning of June, then you know, I posted that power slam like second week of June, and then ever since then, everything's been Very, very busy, so things move pretty, pretty quickly. That's what I would say.
Stay ready. Is there a particular podcast that you got to do throughout all that time that stands out as maybe your favorite since you? Really blew up. I feel like, I mean, obviously, you guys have done so much for me, and you guys know that.
So, the first one I did, I know, right? Really? I'm pretty picky with where I go because, like, you never know who the heck you're talking to and what the heck they're going to do with that content and how they're going to edit it and make you sound crazy out there in the internet, you know.
So, I've been pretty selective with where I speak. Um, so I, you know, you guys know I'm so grateful for you. Stop it. Oh, but um, yeah, uh, so that, uh, yeah, that power slam, you know, the power slam that took the internet by storm. But TJ, her drop kick.
Is kind of crazy as well. I just want to put it out there because we did a list of drop kicks. We did our favorite drop kicks. And hers kind of hit the internet after we did that episode. I was like, we look so stupid.
We could have just said Nikki and it would have been great. But yeah, your move said we've definitely been watching you. The box jumps alone make everybody else inadequate. Yeah, I'm thinking those are AI because that's real. I'd be so mad.
I'm like, damn, I'm lazy as shit, dude. But so you've also ran into a friend of the show. on your journey out. Bailey. Yeah.
Bailey is a black heart fan, dude. And, you know, she always bigs you up. Talk to us about Uh, your time at Lodestone. Yeah. Oh my goodness.
I love that you're asking this question because I'm like, I can't talk about it enough.
So it was so crazy because I was just with Athena Palmer this weekend. Yeah, I got to train with her yesterday. And I was telling her, I'm like, dude, like, I'm so grateful for you because it was like a, I'm not saying that this is what did it, but it definitely helped because, like, I got booked in her, you know, who runs the World Women's Show, which is so amazing that she's giving a platform for many women in wrestling to, you know. To showcase their talent and do everything.
So, you know, I got booked to that show. Bailey happened to be. Back there, you know, supporting the show. And, you know, I got to talk to her. And this is after I had submitted my application and all that.
And again, I'm not saying that this is what helped, but it always helps to put a face to the name.
So that was my first time actually meeting her in person. And then when I got the email back that I was selected as one of the Lowstone girls, I mean, I obviously sobbed because I'm a freaking marshmallow.
So I started crying like a freaking baby. And Going out there, the first thing that I noticed is just like her love and passion for the business, her love and passion for women's wrestling. And as I'm not saying like it doesn't happen to men, but as a girl and as a woman in a male-dominated industry, it's really hard to feel like you fit in a lot of the times or like you're included because for the longest time, the mindset was like, oh, we're all fighting for like a spot, you know, and the theme throughout the entire time that I was there was, you know, Charlotte said it, Bianca Belari said it, Bailey, you know, really honed in on this is that it's always collaboration over competition. The more that we collaborate, the more that we help each other, the further that we go, you know, share your, your girls. Booking stuff, like, hey, please book this girl, like, not just me, you know, and not be that person that's like, oh, I want to see you do well, but not better than me.
Because at the end of the day, we're all so different. What I do is not what someone else does. Like, my spot is designed for me if that's what they're looking for. Your spot designed for you if that's what they're looking for. Because I'll tell you right now, maybe later down the line, but you're not going to see me in the top rope doing no moon saw.
Okay. So there's a girl out there that's going to be doing that. That no matter what I do, I just, it's not my role, you know?
So. Um, so that was like the biggest thing. And then obviously like getting to be there with. Girls from different places, different experience levels. It was just, it was amazing.
And like I said, Bailey put together such an amazing thing. We were busy the entire time. We learned so much. We ran matches. Freaking John Cena was there.
Like, it was so surreal. And yes, I cried the entire time I was there because I was like, I don't know what I've done to deserve this, but I am so freaking grateful. And I want to say that that's probably going to be one of the biggest things that shifted my wrestling career because my mindset was like, You know, I kept getting told, oh, you didn't grow up watching wrestling. You're just a pretty girl that can't run. You know, like all these like hate comments that people get in their journey.
And I was like, dude, like, I bust my butt 24-7. Like, I'm trying to get this thing, you know, I'm really, really trying. And then I started believing in myself the more that I did it, but it wasn't until that moment that I was just like. you know bailey told me she's like there's a reason i picked you there's a reason that you're here you know there's a reason that You're doing all these things. And yeah, did the power slam help put me out there and get eyes on me?
And yes, did the picture do that same thing? But I kept the momentum going by putting the hard work in and continuing to show up to training and continue going to the gym, even when I didn't want to. Trust me, there's times that I don't.
Okay, I know.
Sometimes you're like, oh my God. I'm like, there's times I don't want to be there. I promise.
So, you know, but it was like the biggest thing. It's just like it instilled this belief in myself that then once my mindset shifted after that, it's like, dude, like, my only limit is me at this point. Like, I have full control of what happens from now on because all the tools are there. I just gotta use them. And for people who don't know, just we always like to have people caught up.
Loadstone with something. Because you're a professional teacher. Yeah, well, you know, this is what I do for a living. Bailey had a camp for women. And was it in Orlando?
Yes. It was a seminar. Yeah, like a three-day seminar. Seminar, right. Where she put the call out, right?
Shay. You're an independent female wrestler. Email me. We're going to put something together. I don't think anything like that had ever existed before.
I'm sure she got thousands of hundreds, you know, thousands of women applying for this. How many women were selected? 22. 22. So she paired down to 22.
I know we sent emails in with your name or tweets in with your name a few times from the no contest site.
So 22 women, she. You guys just had to take care of your transportation there, right? Right. And then she put you guys up in what, an Airbnb, took care of transportation and everything else while you guys trained and learned. Yeah, we had shuttles.
Her biggest thing is, like, I don't want you guys to worry about anything while you're here. I know that she mentioned that Liv Morgan actually paid for meal prep, which was amazing. You know, the fridge was always full. Like, we, all we had to do was just like whatever little things we needed and whatever else we wanted to get, we went from there. But she made sure that.
We didn't have to worry about anything while we were there. We can just focus on learning and, you know, just being present. And they're doing another one April 16th last Vegas during WrestleMania Week.
So 22 women come together from all over. I'm s. I guess the world, right? Where they're at, right? Germany, UK.
We had girls, you know, local from Orlando. I'm in South Florida. You know, we had girls from. All over the place, really. Washington, I mean, all over.
And so you guys came together, you you know, you learned, you you traded secrets, you helped each other, you you boosted each other up. And I think that's really, really dope because a lot of times, you know, Sometimes they'll say Women tear each other down. Right. But yeah, this case def doo do too, but that's kind of just a weird thing that they happen to say, right? Yeah, they but in this case, it was nothing but it just seemed like these women got together and just uplifted each other and tried to make everyone better, and that is super dope.
Yeah, you remember we um I don't know if you'd know this nikki, but We interviewed John Cena, you know, we kind of we kind of important. Yeah, it kind of blew up a little bit. Yeah, you know, I don't been a little bit more. But um, yeah, so when we interviewed John, we talk he was talking about how We're talking about how like you always want to speak up for yourself. But A saying that I had told him that my father taught me was that the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
And he talked about how that can be predatory sometimes, you know, like sometimes. people can use that to kinda Get over on others, stab people in the back, and like, you know, climb that ladder. And, you know, he just always did everything to avoid that.
So for you to speak about. Everyone there Being aware of that and choosing to kind of be one band, one sound, you know, like everybody wanting to be there to just have a healthy environment is great. It's amazing to hear for the growth of the business, and especially women in wrestling. When John Cena Comes in for what Bailey told us was eight hours. Eight.
What is that like? We got him, we asked him for one hour. He gave us two and a half, and we were like, This is the greatest day ever.
Well, we did a two and a half hour interview. He probably stayed for closer to like three, three and a half, three, three and a half hours chopping it up with us. Signed everything, took pictures with everybody. We had about 98 pieces of merch for him to sign, and he signed hyperbole for the internet. But what's that like to have him give you that time?
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he is very giving. And I feel like I want to touch on this very briefly before I get, you know, any heat or anything like that. But I know that I take my time and I'm always like trying my best to thank fans and, you know, engage with them on social media because people forget that at the end of the day, They are who gives us, you know, a job. Like if you guys don't.
Acknowledge that they exist. It's like, what are you doing it for? And I think that that's something that has helped him a ton, also. Is that he's not just like that with fans, he's also like that with other talent, especially people coming up and you know, all that. He just like spends so much time and giving his time because at the end of the day, like, you know it's all of our jobs to entertain whatever that looks like but I'll leave it there.
I'm just saying, like, you know, giving people attention is very, very important. And yeah, I think, like, you know, at the end, he was just like, oh, I thought I was going to come in here and talk for like 30 minutes. And instead, you know, it was like he came in, he watched all our matches because we have practice matches and he took notes. And, you know, he was like talking to us after the matches. And then he's like, oh, yeah, I took notes.
And then I was just like, oh, do you mind if, you know, we just like take pictures of the notes just so that we know. And then he's like, I'll do you one better. I'll get in the ring with Each of you, and then I'll break down all the notes that I took for you. And I was like, bro, what a God. God really so 30 minutes turn into eight hours literally you got to you got to wrestle John Cena essentially No, not wrestle him, but I mean, I will say he was getting in the ring with people and he's very visual.
So whenever he was giving examples, like he's like, oh yeah, and then you get down on a knee and he's like, like showing you what he means. He's not just like telling you what to do. He's just like showing you. And he's like, you know, when you're doing this and that, and I'm not going to get too much into the details because I don't know what I'm supposed to say or not. But, you know, he just like took all the examples and were giving us the examples and breaking things down and telling us why you're doing things.
And, you know, the things that I learned there, it's like. You can't. Pay any seminars to learn.
Now you can't, you know, go anywhere and learn those things. It's just like one of those things, you just had to be there. You just had to be in the room. I mean, and this is a week before he's retiring. Like, you know what I mean?
This is a week before he retires that he's spending so much time giving back. And for me, that was insane. Like, yes, I respected him. And I mean, he's freaking John Cena, but after that, it was just like, dang, like, you didn't have to do that. And he took the time to do that for us.
That's insane. I kind of feel the same way. I always respected the grind and the hustle, right? Because you're going to stay on top that long. No other wrestler has ever.
Had a run on top as long as John.
So you gotta respect that. Whether you were, let's go see the scene of sucks. But after sitting here with him for the amount of time that we did and just listening and seeing how he goes about his business, it's just the dude's just so professional. Like, and He just gets it. Like for instance, our producer, Don Bowie.
His daughter painted John a little a little picture. And it was so amazing to watch because she hands it to him, and he looks at it, and he's like. I'm going to take this. But if You have to do a favor for me. She's like, what?
And he's like, you have to take a picture with me. And she's like, and I was like, this dude just, he gets it, man. Damn it, John. He just gets it. You know, like, it was true.
It was an eye-opener to have that talk with him and see how he views things. And I'm Nick, I was a John. Seen uh Hater. All right. I was a hater.
And he told him this too. Yeah, I was real. You know, like, I get it. We got the interview. Yeah, yeah, but he was a Cena Sucks guy.
Yeah, man, because I was just a big, I was a fan of The Rock. Like, The Rock was my guy. And I'm like. They're obviously letting this dude just come in and just like, you know, he's the guy, man.
Well, he said that's why he wanted to talk to us too. You made that that speech. Yeah. Cause like I I when John retired. I thought Yeah, we could have just a recap episode, but I wanted to thank him, you know, as you know, from fans or just from me, just like.
From no contest. You know, that was the important thing is that we. Give John a gift. And so I thought of a little six-minute monologue. you know, just to kind of To Rich Eisen a little bit.
You know, Scott Van Pemp, like Stuart Scott, it a little bit. We channel all those people here. Yeah, yeah. And it got to him. It got to him.
He loved it. He sent it to his family. And he. Wanted to do our show after that. John Cena asked us to come on.
Yeah, exactly. We kind of big shit. We didn't. We didn't have to go. John Cena goes, I want to sit with them.
Come on, yeah.
So I. I wasn't a fan, but I respected him. Seeing him, talking to him, and just seeing what type of man he is, he is beyond what is advertised. And I can't stress this to people enough. The dude is a.
He's a machine, but like he truly is special. The prototype. Prototype TJ. That's why you that's why you the man, bro. That's what I'm saying.
You got you got to you got to do the you know, the lodestone thing. The uh that experience the priceless man working with john Talk to us if you can. If you can. What's it like to go to a WWE tryout?
Well, the rumors are true. It's a lot of work. Yes. You have to be ready for it. You have to be ready for it.
And I will say I had three weeks to really prepare. But honestly, because I was just like on that mindset already, especially after Lodestone, like I saw. How intensely we went. I mean, we were there for hours. We ended up, you know, the first day we were there with Ivy and her husband, and they ran us through a crossway workout.
And then, you know, we just changed and got in the ring right after that for hours. And that hard work is a little glimpse of what to expect, not only in the tryout, but the training that you would get. You know, when you're preparing to be in the PC.
So after seeing that, I was just like, okay, you know, there's a lot more that I should be doing and could be doing.
So if I'm being honest, I just started really preparing from there. But truly getting in the ring and doing that type of cardio, probably three weeks in advance. But yeah, it's a lot of cardio, there's a lot of in-ring cardio. Promos, I mean, your promos have to be on point, too. And then for people that were experienced, because they, Divided us into two sections.
So there's the independent talent that have experience in wrestling, and then we had athletes that never stepped in the ring before.
So we got, you know, separated into groups. The ones that had experience, we did practice matches. And then, you know, the athletes are learning their roles, their bumps, and all that good stuff.
So I will say. The biggest thing is just again, be ready. Because if you get that call and let's say they're like, oh, yeah, you know, you get to try out next week, a week is not enough time to get that cardio going. I don't think three weeks was, but because I had already been in that mindset and working towards it, it wasn't. Was it very difficult?
Yes. But I was still hanging.
So that made me feel really good. Because if you would have asked me this like last year, I don't know how, you know, we would have been huffing and puffing a little bit more last year.
So, you know, Nick, my philosophy is I stay ready so I don't have to get ready. And it seems like you were staying ready. Also, shout out to Ivy Now, man. Whoa, we bigger up a few weeks ago and she started following us. On remember, I texted her like, oh, Ivy Now just start following, you know, big win for her.
You know, Ivy Now did something just off. Off the combo a little bit, but she did something the other day on Monday that Rhea Ripley's never done, and that's pin EO! But anyway, just wanted to put that out. You go stirring the pot. She focused right now, and you go bring up her.
That she's never beaten the EO again. I'm just saying, bro. But yeah, I know that trial was not fun. She smiled one time until I was like, Yeah, it had to be. Yeah, so that had to be some tough work.
I can only say that. I was smiling the whole time. I will say that. I was. Are you tired?
I'm not tired. I don't get tired. We are rough. Tired, me? I don't know that word.
Like, what? You're crazy. You know, to go back before the tryout, some of the people, some of the women that you got to work with at the at the camp at Loudstone was, there was Rhea, was there, right? And Bianca. Charlotte Flair, I know that she was there.
How was it like getting to meet, I'm assuming maybe you never met any of them before? I've met Rhea before. very briefly because I ended up doing It was like a commercial for the 2K25 video game. I got casted just to if you look at the trailer, I'm like in the like pushing the cart in like the background. I got to meet her and you know, but.
To actually talk to them, this was like the very first time where I got to really, really talk to them. I got to talk to Rhea. I mean, you guys know I love her. I get a lot of my inspiration from her. But I also get a lot of my inspiration from Bianca, and I got to talk to her too.
And there's something that she said that stuck with me a lot, and because I relate to it. Because she didn't grow up watching wrestling either. And it was one of those things where it's like, it's like meeting the love of your life. Like you know all the qualities that you're looking for in somebody. You know, you know what you want, but it's not till you meet them that you realize that that's the love of your life.
And that for me was wrestling too. That's something that stuck with me. Cause I'm like, yes, same, same. Like, I didn't know, I didn't know this man, but here I am, head over heels. Like, you know what I mean?
So that's kind of like the same, the same. Energy that you know she was portraying there, and then you know, Charlotte Flair, freaking amazing human being. I mean, took the time, she actually. Came to the house while we were having breakfast and talked to us and did the workout with us too.
So that was really fun. And she had to go because, you know, they're still working during this entire thing.
So she had to catch a flight right after, but still spent time with us, gave us a lot of perspective of how it is being a woman in the business too, and in her time, because obviously, you know. They all got into it at a time where women's wrestling was just coming up. Like it was just getting put on the map as other than, you know, the typical stuff that you see on TV, where it's like, that was women's wrestling back in the day, but they've gotten to experience what it's like to be. The new generation of women's wrestling, where it's actually respected, where people are starting to look like, you know, there's a lot of women that are doing things very, very well compared to what we're used to.
So there's more eyes being set on women's wrestling.
So it was really cool to see their experience, honestly. Roxanne got in the ring there with us too. Elena Black was present. Maxine was there also. She got in the ring with us.
So, I mean, and then obviously Lyra. I mean, Lyra was there at the workout. Her coach, Katie, was there too.
So, you know, they got to teach us a lot of stuff. And yeah, I mean, just a solid, solid group of women that were there that I'm like. There's so much to learn. Like, there's just so much to learn. And then, of course, we get.
The freaking legend to top it all off and show us her, you know, routine that she usually does in the dungeon. Natty was there, and you know, Nat, yeah. And it was just awesome to hear her talk about her experiences. Um, I ended up going to the dungeon two weeks ago, too.
So I got to get in there. Um, and I'm going to be seeing her next week.
So just a lot of amazing information. I could talk forever. She got a million dollars a game for free 99 right here. That's what it sounds like. It was just so much.
It was like, I, I'm, it's. In the best way possible, of course. I was just like, it was so much like digesting that. It took me like a couple of days to be like, What the F is my life like? Like, what is that?
Like, am I, is this like happening right now? This is crazy.
So, did you go to the dungeon in the heart house, that dungeon, or is there another? Like, she has her own dungeon, though, right? She has her. Yeah, yeah, no, the one in yeah, Sephiroth, the 2.0. Um, I was thinking they went up to Stu's basement.
That's crazy. No, no, no, the modern, modern dungeon. You're the one in Florida. Instagram pictures of people training there, and there's always people from various organizations and companies and looking like they're just having the best time in the world, man. Dude, Lowestoke, bro.
Where's the show? Right. Can we produce like a lodestone reality show? We got to talk to Bailey because we've at Bailey. Yeah, we just spoke to Bailey for WWE 2K.
You know, shout out to 2K. They always was watching. I did see it. I see you watching. I mean, that's family right there.
You know, no contest. But yes, we're part of the black card army. Oh, also, shout out 2K because my code worked, TJ. Oh, did it? Yeah.
Okay, no. I got the game for free. But uh they're gonna love that in the comments. But so We were talking to Bailey and yeah, we would definitely try to like We would love to try to figure out something. I don't know if it'll be able to happen this year, but I mean, I'd be down.
Like, something to help. Push Lodestone and just everything that's happening there. You had a great idea about Lodestone. Oh, yeah. Lodestone needs to be in the game, 2K.
I don't care what camera I got to look at, but there needs to be something for the female career mode. Yeah, for their the the female superstar that you get to create. She should definitely have to go through lodestone in order to build her stats up. Just throwing it out there another time, another time, 2K. That's awesome.
That's that'd be so cool.
Well, yeah, we definitely want to support Lodestone and everything that's going on, but we also want to support what you got going on.
So, what's happening right now in your wrestling world, Nikki Blackheart? Or even your personal life, you get a new car going on. Like, you know, you got a cat. Like, what's up with you? I'm that person.
It's like, there's like this Widward meme where it's like his head's about to explode and it's like, oh, this is me when I get you a present. Like, I just can't shut up. It's been like really hard to keep a lot in because I can't say yet. But just know that there's a lot of amazing things coming up soon. You know, obviously, God willing, I'm super Jesus fan, but God willing, a lot of amazing things are going to be happening here soon.
A lot of it has been the same stuff that I said, you know, the tryout happened. I've been still. Wrestling, like I said, I just wrestled the Who Rounds the World 3. It was myself and Priscilla Kelly, which I got to learn so, so much from her. Amazing wrestler.
And like I said, Athena, she's such a gem to the business and another powerful woman that just wants to make sure that women's wrestling is put on the map, that it's, you know. Highlighted because she does so much for women too. But yeah, I mean, like I said, I've been blessed to be around all these women and all these amazing wrestlers and just like learning so much from them.
So, right now, what I'm looking forward to is just utilizing all those things that I learned and just applying them moving forward.
So, that's that's all I can do as of right now and say we ain't trying to get you in no trouble. Fingers crossed, you know, we're rooting for you. Obviously, you know, our friends at CCW were the ones who linked us up.
So, we, you know, we are still. Fully supporting CCW. And, you know, you're still running things over there. But I mean like From 30 for Thirty Podcasts. Brian Patta, senior defensive lineman from Miami.
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She's one of the things that no contest always. Right, right. You know, one of the things I happened to do, we were in Indianapolis for the show that I work on, the Rich Eisen Show, two weeks ago. I got a chance to talk to the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Brian Schottenheimer, my favorite team. I wanted to get to know him on kind of like a personal level.
I didn't want to ask him about offense or defense. I wanted to talk to him like man-to-man and get to know him. And the question I asked him actually made him tear up. And it was like a moment. I'm not trying to do that to you here necessarily, but there was a pretty amazing tweet that you point out that you put out after, you know, all of your travels.
And I think we have it here. And man, this was just an amazing, amazing tweet that you put out. Can you just share what was going through your heart in your head in that moment? Oh my God. Guys, I've been crying the last like freaking week.
I can't do this right now. I just put these lashes off. All right. Where do I start? I mean.
you know you mentioned ccw and and My, you'll never forget, obviously, like your first championship, and obviously, you know, they've given me so many opportunities and a platform for me to develop and learn so much. What stood out to me is that when I got the championship, it was, and you can see it there with the dates, obviously, it was on my mom's anniversary of her passing. It was June 14th. Obviously, that was a big thing because I'm a big symbols person. Maybe they don't exist, but they keep me saying because I'm like, oh my God, you know, like you saw what happened.
Just a sign. But it was one of those things that Mm. I'll never forget it because of how it happened and the significance behind it. But when I decided to Go there. I mean, I did it too when I graduated college.
I took my college degree, all my You know, all the strings are called ropes. I don't know, like all the things they put around your neck when you graduate. I brought the ball to the gravestone. It was just one of those things where it's like, yes, I know that I have an angel watching every step of the way, but it was. I needed to do something tangible.
And I was just like, hey, mom, look, this is what I'm doing. I decided to, you know, go there and bring it there and just like. Not only pray for gratitude and, you know, being able to do this. Safely and healthily, and you know, being able to do so much and experience so many things that some people dream about doing and never get to do. And I'm obviously very, very grateful for everything.
But it was also like a.
Okay, this is what I got going on, and I'm going to need your guidance every step of the way because there's a lot of amazing things that I wish I could. You know, pick up the phone and call her. And I'm not able to.
So for me, it was one of those things where it's like, let me just. the best that I can do is just like feel the closest to her and just again, say thank you. And also please help guide me through whatever I have going on and make sure that I achieve everything that I've set my mind to moving forward. She got you, I'm sure of that. Absolutely.
Guys, a kid. I'm just freaking out. I guess just because he goes, he gets in his Barbara Walters mode, and there's no way to stop him after that. I'm sorry. I got through it.
I got through it. But, you know, TJ, TJ, he. He's got his tie to wrestling is through your grand phone. And, you know, my man Andrew, rest in peace, was a. A kid I've known since he was Four years old and and he passed away at at nineteen last year when we were like first going with the show, really.
That was rough for you. Yeah, and um yeah, so you know, wrestling it we all have our people that we you know, we are our angels that we have these moments with and The John Cena thing, like, man, I can only imagine what Andrew would have done if he would have seen that. I got to interview Cena. He saw it, though, dog. Yeah, so it's.
We feel you. We feel you 100%. Or your mom is watching. And no matter what happens, you know, anything could go any type of way. But, you know, we're rooting for you.
We know that your mom 100% is rooting for you as well. Either way, uh, yeah, you know, you'll have our support too over here, man. I mean, she already knows, I think she already, but the amount of times that I've tagged her on Instagram posts, I'm pretty sure she's she might even be sick of seeing us on all of her events. I don't know. It's like, am I doing too much sometimes?
Sporting rose or just support, yeah, man. No, I'm a very intense human being. Like, I'm very. I'm gonna say I'm like I don't want to use the word clingy, but I'm like, I just always want to know what people are like, you know, they're doing well and they're, because like, this life is hard, man. You know, like, everything, life is like so hard.
So it's like, if we can just be. good people and just you know you never know what Someone's going through, and you never know what your acts of kindness can do to change somebody's world.
So there's a lot of crappy stuff that happens, but if you can continue encouraging people and, you know, sharing positivity and letting them know that, like, hey, like, You might not think of me 24-7, but here and there, check in and be like, I'm still here. It's a good feeling to know that no matter what you're doing in life, you're going to have people that are supporting you and pushing you that are in your corner, no matter what.
So I don't. I'm never discouraging support because at the end of the day, it just takes one thing sometimes to change the entire course of your day, entire course of your life, and you just never know what people are going through.
So. That would be you know. Because you you are a unique One of our most unique guests because you are, we. interviewed you during fairly new, you know, fairly new in in in into your career and now You got a bit of a rocket on your back. You know, like you, you are a name that rings bells out here.
No pun intended, TJ. Relax. And I saw him pointing. I'm like, I'm gonna say something.
So I would say, what is.
Some advice you can give a young girl watching this right now. And maybe something that has been the hardest thing for you to kind of maybe adjust to that people might not realize in this wrestling life that you've taken on now, and now you're traveling more and having to go to different schools, being taught by legends. Is there any new challenges mentally, physically, that? You wish you would have knew about when you started? This is gonna sound so cheesy.
And it's just because it is, it's like so corny, but it's like your belief in yourself. I'm telling you, because it's, there's so many people, especially. People get threatened by success, and it's insane what people do when they're threatened. They're going to say things about you, they're going to, you know, go around and create these lies just because it's like, oh, I'm not there.
So let me make sure that I change the perspective of how other people see them. You know, and it's such a crazy thing. I'm like, ew, like, who has time to do that? But, anyways, they do, clearly.
So. you're going to encounter Many naysayers, you're going to encounter a lot of negativity, especially, and again, I don't want to make this like a gender thing, but like us, as women, you did say like women have this tendency wanting to tear. other other females down um And my advice And this is crazy because, like, I just gave this advice to this little girl at the show this past weekend, and it's just like. You need to believe in yourself and know that you're doing everything possible to be successful. I mean, you're taking a step in an industry where.
The success rate, I'll be honest with you, is not that high in entertainment. Is not. It's very competitive. It's very, there's so many moving parts at the same time. But if you don't have your solid foundation of your self-belief, you know, your morals, the things that you believe in, you know, how you carry yourself, how you express yourself, if you don't have those things solid, then you're pretty much going to crumble pretty quickly.
So everything starts from the inside out. And if you, Don't believe in yourself. No one will. There's going to be a lot of people in life that are going to think that you can't. You can't be the number one person to think that.
So For me, I was just like... The second that I realize that I'm putting in the work, I'm showing up every single day. I'm the one taking all these bumps. I'm the one going to the gym when I don't, I'm freaking hungry, tired, like sore, you know, like I'm still showing up and I'm still. You know, making sure I respond to comments and still active on social media and making sure my bookings make sense.
And, you know, I'm just like being pulled in a million directions, but I'm not able to do those things if I don't believe that I'm capable of doing it. And for the longest time, I didn't think I was capable of doing it. I'm like, okay, you know, you didn't grow up watching wrestling.
So maybe you don't deserve this. Or, you know, just like so many different things. But when you block out the noise and you just put those blinders on, and the only direction that you're going for is forward, then I promise you, things are going to pick up pretty quickly because when you don't have any distractions, you get things done a lot faster.
So believe in yourself, find a core group of people that love you, that support you, that you can talk to them. They don't have to be other wrestlers. They can be, you know, whether that's a significant other, friends and other verticals or family members. Just find a solid group of people to remind you on those days when you are down because you're going to have them. It's life.
You're going to have them in everything. You're going to have down times where you're like, It's like, dude, I stuck. Like, what am I doing? You're gonna have those days, but. One, you have to remember your why, why you started, because your why has to be stronger than all the excuses that you're going to set yourself.
And then find those people that are going to be like, you know, slap you a little bit and be like, wake up. Like, you're doing this thing. Stay the course and don't give up before the miracle. Because you could be running fast, you stop, and then you never reach breakthrough because you decided to quit before you actually made it happen. No, that was long, but before the miracle, yeah.
Listen, I feel you because there's TJ, I've told you this, but every single Single time I've gotten a role or been on set or been in my trailer, there's a moment where I'm looking at the sides and I'm looking at my lines for the day for the first time. And I think Fuck. Like, oh my God. They're gonna realize they picked the wrong guy. How is this my job?
What am I doing? Can I even do this? Like, what am I? Like, it is the worst until you get your feet wet. Until you get out there and, like, get hit for the first time.
You know, like then you start to like. Realize, oh, yeah, I can do this. I, you know, I'm in my bag. I just get in my own way sometimes.
So that's what happens. But don't stop for the miracle, bro. You can't. Come on, dog. And what you said about finding that core group, I find that to be so true because, you know, a lot of times people, I'll just use Los Angeles as an example.
People are like, oh, LA's fake, or LA's this, that, and the third. But the thing is, right? If you want it, it's here. But you Do you have to find yourself a tribe? You got to find yourself a village of people that will hold you accountable, that will hold you up, and then.
That You know, you can be honest with them and they can be honest with you. And if you have that, then this is the best place in the world if you ask, if you ask me. But if you're trying to do it alone, just like anything else, of course, it's going to be tough for you. Emphasis on the accountability because accountability can look like so many different ways. And I know, you know, sometimes.
I accountability gets a little bit of resistance because I'm like, oh, I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that I'm not doing what I need to do, but you know, but you have. You know, like I have my coach that for the longest time, I kind of believe it was really hard on me. But at the end of the day, looking back, you know, there's a reason that he was so hard on me. And that's because he saw more in me than I did in myself at that time.
So he wanted to bring that out. And I resisted it so much because I'm like, He freaking hates me. He hates me. We talked to Gangrill. That's my, oh, yeah.
Gang Grail. He hates me. Like, he just, there's no way he doesn't freaking hate me. You know what I mean? Like, just because of how.
tough he was on me, but like looking back. You can't survive in a world like that if you don't have thick skin. And looking back now, it's like a lot of the things that he was saying, I'm starting to see. And I'm like, ah, you know, it makes sense why he was so tough on me. And yeah, accountability looks so different.
Sometimes you don't want to hear it, but it is what you need to hear. And something that I realized is like when someone's taking the time to tell you something is because they care about you. And it's not because they like, you know, want to bring you down or, I mean, yeah, the criticism looks some, some are constructive, some are just like straight up hate, I'll be honest with you. But when it's constructive criticism where it's like, hey, this is what you're doing wrong. This is what you should do, you know, to make it better.
That means that that person cares about you and they just actually want to see you succeed. And the biggest way to show someone respect is just like actually applying what they're telling you because there's a reason they're telling you and, you know, there's people that have been through it or. Have been where you want to go, and they've done it, and they've been successful at it. There's a reason that they're taking the time to tell you those things. Listen, you're no better than anybody else.
You're doing life for the first time now.
So don't resist what people are trying to tell you because there's a reason why they're doing that. And, you know, never have an ego because everything you have can be taken. overnight and you will have nothing to show for it. See, I hear, I hear, you know, especially my, my, it's so crazy, Nikki, because I hear my podcast partner. Talk about having a tribe and you know, having people have your back and everything, but.
If I tell TJ, love you, bro, Nikki, what I wanted to talk to you about was. Am I a mediator right now? You're so late. You were talking, and like the fans, like, y'all can look back on the show. You started saying that, bro.
When I tell you, like, I tried to rub my face, I tried to do everything I could not to break into your little speech. You full of shit. How god? How what? Listen, man.
How can you say that? Listen, this dude's been my podcast partner for almost a year and a half now.
Now, one time have I gotten on I Love You Two. Not even on my birthday. Yeah. Oh, and see that you did her saddle for a big moment. Watch, he's just like saving it.
Yeah, that's what big moments. That's exactly what I'm doing, Nick. Yeah, man. Yeah, totally. Look, sometimes you don't always have to say those three words.
Nobody says it. You can show it. Your actions, right? Because sometimes words are hollow, right? You know, you can just sure you can just say it.
Okay, you can just say, oh, blah, blah, blah. But to me, I'd rather the action, you know what I'm saying, Nick. Like, you show the love, you know, because just saying you saying it, what's that mean? It don't mean nothing. You see how my podcast partner was just like, you know, it's not about, you know, the words is hollow.
It's all about the action. Actions speak louder than words. But let that shit be Roman Reigns, not saying I'm sorry. And then all of a sudden, now the actions don't matter, right? The words is what's important, right?
It ain't even a word. It's right around back. You ain't a word. It came right around back. It is unbelievable.
I can't believe you. We'll say it one more time, see what happens. Say it. Yeet. Not see.
He doesn't want me to say it.
Sorry, Nikki. You had to see that. We're fighting in front of. She's not company. Like, Dawn was like, don't fight in front of company.
Nikki knows where the housekeeper. What's that? Right. I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like that one cousin. I'm just sitting in the background.
She knows she knows where and I'm just like, it's not my business, but I'm here for it. Like, I'm listening. She knows where we keep the spare key. She ain't company no more. You know what I mean?
She got a spare room upstairs.
So. Listen, you have anything else to ask? I have so much to ask, right? But what I want to ask, I won't, because I don't even want to put you in a position where you might let something slip out that you're not supposed to. We don't want to know.
But here's what I know. Can I just tell you what I know for a fact without being told? She had a tryout. Oh. There ain't no way they ain't signing her.
Oh my God, TJ. Like, there was no way. Don't put, you gotta knock on wood. No matter what you do, I'm not knocking on wood. There's no way.
There is no words. That's all I'm saying. I don't mess with the sports gods. I'm putting it out there to the universe, man. I think this is what you want.
So I say a prayer for you and I hope you get it. And I'm like, look, if you guys were smart, you wouldn't let this one get away. That's all I'm saying. Smart, bro. We yell at WWE every day.
That's a good point. Don't do this, dog. That's a good point. But, Nikki, man. You are welcome here anytime, anytime you want.
Yeah, anytime. Like, you got a match, or is there anything that you want to promote from CCW that you've got coming up? I have two matches coming up: CCW, March 21st anniversary in Port St. Lucie at the Mid-Florida Event Center. Doors open at 7, show starts at 8.
I will be there defending my title versus Marina Tucker. And then I don't think they've announced the venue yet, but I'll just tell you guys because by the time this comes out, I'll be fine. Yeah, come out tonight. Hold on, hold on. March 28th, Vivo at the Dolphin Mall in Vivo show Via City Slam.
I will be there also defending the title. Hopefully, maybe. I don't know. We'll see how March 21st goes. But depending on the outcome of that, I'll still be wrestling the 28th at Via City Slam and I will figure out who my opponent is.
We'll see. It's just going to be doing an LA show so we can actually. See them in action. Maybe. In Vegas, April 15th.
So if you guys are out there for Mania Week, April 15th.
Okay. I will be there.
Well, we don't know. We haven't gotten any. We don't know what we're doing. Oh, we're going to be there. I'm still looking at April and, you know, finalizing.
April.
So I I can't say anything yet 'cause I don't know I don't know what I got going on here. But absolutely.
Well, we will be awaiting results everywhere for Nikki Blackheart. And just make sure you don't forget about your boys. Just don't forget about your boys on NCAA. Because like I said, I foresee, it's put out there again. I foresee a day one day where she's headlined in WrestleMania and then we might want to get an interview and she may be like, who?
Yeah, I don't know where. I don't forget anything.
Okay. Nothing leaves my brain.
Well, we wish you the best, obviously. I hope the tryout did go well. And I really do hope that you get what you want and what you deserve. And so I'm looking forward to going on social media soon, hopefully, and reading about the good news that I know is coming for you. Fingers crossed.
Yeah. I'll see you. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, Nikki Blackheart. Thank you for your time. Appreciate you.
Nikki Blackheart, man. Just how can you not root for? Exactly. You know, uh always been cool. Um we Yeah, we really were.
She really is somebody who was just like a. We're just watching her success happen. Couldn't be more proud. And just want big things for that trial. We know how much it means to her.
And. Pretty much a a a fair amount of people who choose this profession That's the finish line. You know, that is like they want to get. That tryout, they want to get past and uh into the WWE. And we hope the best for always got support from us at NCW.
And hopefully, we will have a celebration episode one day. Right now, we're just gonna. Keep it positive. But like I said, you're trying to stop me, but I'm being dead serious. Like, from what I've seen of her, the personality, the work in the ring, her overall body.
And I'm saying body in the sense that you can see. How serious she takes this. You see the amount of work she puts in to have it built. Like, how do, like, I just, I, I don't, I just, I don't know, man. I just can't see any way that they don't take her.
But for me, and I thought Booker T was gonna beat Triple H. Where is it? Are you going to keep giving me a break? I'm just saying, dog. I'm like, bro, you know, we got the airwaves, baby.
But, uh, You know, for I think for us she's kinda like With music, when people find that indie band, right? Yeah. Before they blow up, and you become kind of like, not possessive, but you're kind of like. I knew them before they got the record deal. It's kind of how I feel with her.
You know, we, we, like a lot of people saw her on Twitter. Like I said earlier, we talked about let's get her on and now we've been following her and just she just keeps getting better and better in the ring. Her name starts to become more and more well known and it's just super cool that like, you know, we we were in at the bottom floor, I guess, to say, the ground level. Yeah. I mean, that's the part of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast.
I don't know. I don't remember. I'm not saying we, we did it. No, we were there. But we was, you know, we were there.
A little water on the sea. Hey, a Chia Pet grows in three days. I always say that. Come on, man. What were we talking about before she came in here?
Who knows? We might be talking about Roman and Hunk and how Christian used to always talk about people's passed away farther. Oh, AEW, they got. That's right, man. They got something coming up.
They're in town. Quickly go over that. They're down at Staples. I don't know what the name is, but we call it. Mama named him Clay.
Yeah. I'm going to call him Clay. Right. We're calling it Staples. Staples.
And this week, they got AEW Revolution on Sunday, March 15th. We're going to see MGF versus Hangman page for the men's world title. There's a stipulation I absolutely hate. If Hangman loses, he can never challenge for the title ever again. I don't know why they keep doing this, that they fell into this trap with Cody.
You're not going to take no way. You're not taking the belt off of MJF right now. There's no way. So, what's the point of doing this? I don't know.
I don't know. You know what? I don't know. I don't know if they're not taking the belt off Tony. MJF crazy.
Oh, yeah, right. MJF. I don't Tony Khan is wild, especially and he's wild about his hangman. Like... Bro, that Samoa Joe thing, I was shocked.
Yeah, that's true. I was shocked. I didn't expect a second run yet.
So, like. I don't know. Isn't that what's great about wrestling though when you don't know? Yeah. Dirt sheets.
Don't yell at us, bro. Chill out, chill out, chill out. We got a women's world title match. Tecla. You know, this is going to be tough for me.
This is as tough as spider propaganda. This is as tough as me watching Bailey and Oscar on Raw because one thing you know is I was going to be happy, and I was going to be mad in the exact same time frame. Tekla against Chris Statlander, two out of three falls for the AEW Women's Championship. Those are two of my favorites there. I'm going to adopt LeVar Ball.
Even when I lose, I win. That's how I'm going to feel. about this one. We got the Continental Championship match, no time limit. John Moxley against Takesha, and I know I love Takesha, but you really love yeah, and I hated how that last one ended.
That last fight between him and Mox, I was like... Come on, man. But now you have it with no time limit because it was a time limit. It has to happen.
Somebody got loose. All right, I'm tired of this.
So shout out to the Alpha man. We got a world tag team title match FTR against the Young Bucks, the Trios Championship match. The Don Callis family. I think you and I are the only two people not. Right.
In the Don Collis family against Mystico and Jet Speed. That would be a fun one. Our favorite, Tony Storm. He's going against Marina Shafir. Everyone's banned from Wingside.
No Death Riders, no Orange Cassidy. You know, we'll see what's going down, but. You know how we feel. Who needs that? Yeah.
You think it'll win? Yeah. I mean, obviously, Marino needs to win. But I ain't never picking against timeless Tony's. I know, but like.
Bro, she needs Marina needs that win, like bad. You gotta character-wise. Yeah, and you gotta give it up to her, man. She went from being, you know, that one promo, you know, me, people mocked her, to now working with the Death Riders, everything. Marina's put in the work, man.
And she is. She's just improved so much. And I remember she used to work in a coffee shop at Venice Beach, dog. And now look at her going up against Tony Storm. And then we got the national championship 21-man blackjack battle royal ricochet, your bald brother against everybody.
What's great about these matches is you never know who's coming up next in this. It's going to be somebody new is going to pop up on the scene. You know, I see Ricochet holding on to the belt, you know, even though he sometimes clowns us on it on Twitter. Yeah, but he had my back on Twitter one day. He did.
I didn't see recently because nobody has my back right now. But yeah, man, so Rico. Rick O'Shea, that's my boy, man. 21-man blackjack battle royal. I think he's going to return, but that is going to be fun.
I got to make it to Staples. Yes. I honestly Mine needs you to hit up Colby. Four. Because I might need a mask and a black hoodie to go to that agenda.
Well, you know, he got a whole trunk full of them, John. Yeah, I know, mamma. You know, I don't know how they feel about me in there. But it might be interesting to watch.
So people Oh, people love Shay. People tended to like you. I just don't know who don't love Shay. That's a good point. And right now, I am the main character of Twitter.
That's 'cause you brought it upon yourself, Dan. But I just, you know. I will be nice again, everybody. I will just continue to be the enemy of NBA Twitter. Let's even get into that.
Uh Yeah, man. Speaking of, though, we were talking about the man in the black mask. That just made me think we didn't talk about this. Judgment Day kind of the ranks got a slightly smaller this week as we kind of knew it was coming. They uh they excommunicated Finn Balor.
from the group. issued him a critical beat down. JD, how dare you? You run. Right.
Your Irish brother. Your Irish brother. Yeah. One thing you gotta know. It's always your own people.
It's always your own people. Not only your people in your group, but your countrymen. Yeah, bro. Living Rockel, putting the boots to them. Yeah.
Hold on, the ladies? Yeah. So, you know where this is going. Ed2, Rockel. We're getting right now for WrestleMania, what we know so far for WrestleMania 42.
We got the world heavyweight title match, which we talked about between Punk and Roman. We got the undisputed WWE Championship against. No, we didn't even talk about how. Remember last week I said. I'm going to be mad.
Oh my God. I'm going to be mad if Drew loses. And for two reasons: one, because where Drew McIntyre stands here at no contest. And two, the fact that Cody Rhodes against Randy Orton just made way too much sense for it not to happen, right? We can't have another instance like the Rock and Roman where we let it go by because time ain't, you know, promise.
You had to do it.
So we had to get Cody against Randy, even though it came at the expense of Drew McIntyre, which half of me is angry about, but the other half goes, Yeah, I get it. It makes sense. It's good for best for business. Cody against Randy for the championship. We got the women's world championship match so far, Stephanie Vacare against Liv Morgan.
I feel like I haven't seen a devil's kiss in like three months. I don't know what's going on. But we're going to see it probably night one of WrestleMania. And we have the women, WWE Women's Championship, Jade Cargill against Rhea Ripley. Things seem like they're getting real personal there.
Is it the work? Is it the shoot? I don't know. I don't care. I'm just looking forward to it regardless.
And that's what we have, I think, on. For sure, you gotta think Dom. And Finn and Finn is coming. I have to assume, I'm waiting for it. We're probably going to get Asuka and Kyrie.
Mm-hmm. For as sad as that's going to make it. You know, I love Asuka, but she's been tripping on Kyrie lately, and Kyrie's doing some incredible work. You know, she's just great. Who knows?
We might get EO and Julia for the U.S. title. There's a lot of things that can happen, but we do know for right now those championship matches are. Let's not forget. Brock Lesnar's still looking for a WrestleMania opponent.
Now, here's what I read. The word is that Brock and Paul are saying that Brock shouldn't lose again until he retires.
Well, right then and there, we can't have an Oba Femi against Brock match because we can't have Oba losing. Listen. For as long as I've known them. Paul and Brock have never thought Brock Lesnar should lose.
So, like, this isn't news. It came out. Yeah, duh.
So, like, I don't know. I don't know what to do with that. But I do want to point out something. Because In a time where we felt like it didn't feel like the road to WrestleMania. And Some people are feeling some type of way about the you know The matches happening as quickly as they're being put together.
But even still, with the people being upset about Drew. That's up. Burst Randy And then Roman versus punk. two matches that seem like, you know, they are Night and day to each other, but it's they're mirroring one another. You have the guy who was the man.
And the young dude that he brought in.
Now the young dude is legacy. On top, and like wanting to do his thing. And punk is the same thing with Roman and the Shield.
So like now you have these two These two matches that are a bit of a mirror image of each other, but still are getting delivered in different ways. And it's just very interesting to see for night one and night two. I still think that. I mean, you helped, but I still think it's proper for Roman and Punk to be on night too, even though you kind of nudged that. Listen, I did what I had to do.
I did what I had to do. I had to nudge you. But yeah, I just wanted to point out that merry image. I like where things are headed. I'm excited to see where they're going.
But can you tell the people where to find us? Yeah, well, if you're looking for us, what you got to do is you go anywhere you listen and take your podcast in. We're ESPN, Spotify, Apple. You'll find us there. On Twitter, We're at There's No Contest on Instagram, No Contest Wrestling Podcast on TikTok, No Contest Wrestling Pod.
Of course, you go to YouTube, you type in No Contest Wrestling, or you go to the Rich Eisen Show YouTube page, over a million subscribers. You look us up, you'll find all of our episodes from episode one to episode 76 with up-and-coming future superstar Nikki Blackheart for the second time. Nikki, two times. Let's go. Yeah.
I'm sorry, everybody. He's not. Is that what y'all want me to say? I'm sorry. I'm sorry for cussing at y'all.
Now make sure y'all have a good day. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm sorry that y'all are forgetful, all right? That's what I really want to say.
I'm sorry that y'all are so forgetful about everything that we watched for four years straight. But I digress. Make sure you have a good day, but not too good, because who the hell do you think you are? Yeah, right. Bye-bye.
