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Well, Frazier flat out said it. They're tanking. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Show me the incentive and I'll show you the results. The incentive for the teams is to get the highest pick possible.
Earlier on the show. ESPN NFL draft analyst Field Yates. Royals first baseman Vinny Pasquentino. Coming up. Basketball Hall of Famer Tim Hardaway Sr.
And now, it's Rich Eisen. Oh, yeah. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air here from Los Angeles, California, side of the NBA All-Star Game, just up the road from us here in our El Segundo Los Angeles studios. 844-204-Rich. Number to dial.
We say hello to the ESPN audience that's checking us out right now on Disney Plus, also on ESPN the app. And thrilled to have here in studio. This is his book called Killer Crossover, because he had one, to say the least. 13 years in the NBA five-time All-Star Basketball Hall of Famer Tim Hardaway is here. Good to see you, sir.
How are you? Hey, I'm great. Thanks for having me. You bet. It's been a while.
It's been a while. It's been a while. We did some sports centers together back. Yes, we did. Yes, we did.
You were at the end of your playing career. Yes. Just kicking tires on the media and stuff like that. Exactly, exactly. Awesome.
It is great to see you again. Yeah, it's always nice seeing you.
So, what does it mean for you to come to an all-star game and just hang out? Just hang out, you know, network, see the guys, see the retired guys, see the new guys that's playing, just reminiscing, talking, just having fun. And, you know, Norm Nixon and his lovely wife, Debbie, we were at their dance studio last night. They're doing beautiful things, beautiful work here. And we just, you know, just chopping it up, having fun.
So you can confirm that fame does live forever. Yes. Yes. Yes. Make sure.
Yeah, I know Debbie Allen. I remember the whole business. All right.
So you were an all-star for the first time in 1991. Yes. And man, there were some all-time great. That were on these teams. What's it like a kid from Chicago by way of UTEP?
Golden State Warriors, just a couple years in the league as an NBA all-star walking around. And who'd you see? Who'd you meet? What's your memories of all that? You know.
First of all, when I when I got to the All-Star game, a friend of mine Um I was like, we're going to a party or something, and he, and it was like 30 of us. And I said, man, we're not going to get. I can't get all 30 of us in. And I turned around, and he said, yo, man. You Tim Hardaway and You an all-star.
You're going to get all 30 of us in.
So I get to the door. And you're like, I'm plus 29?
So I get to the door. I'm like, oh, man, okay, I know this is not going to work out. I know this is not going to work out.
So I get to the door and I say, hey, man, you know, he's how many of us? I said, it's 30 of us. He said, come right on in. I was like, Okay, I am an all-star. All right.
I'm like, okay, yeah, all right. And it went from there. But, you know, sometimes you got to have friends that take you and put you over that hump to make you understand who you are and what you're doing in this league and why you're an all-star. And that's when I knew that I belong when he let all 30 of us in. I thought the story would be, you know, hey, I'm all-star teammates with Magic Johnson and James Worthy.
And you're like, no, I could get plus 29 into a club. Yes, I get plus 29 in the club. But I will tell you this. My first game when we played. At the Forum, the Great Western Forum.
Yes. Don Nelson, he kind of got on me because. I was I was at first of all I was at Great Western Forum and I was like Oh man. I'm at the Great Western Forum and I'm playing Against magic. Mm-hmm.
And for the first half, I was in a daze. I was like, as a rookie, I was like, wow. And then after he got on me at half time, I snapped out of it. And but that by that time it was too late, they was killing us by thirty.
So, Don Nelson, being your head coach of the Golden State Warriors at the time, noticed that your head was in the clouds a little bit. Right, right. I don't blame you. This is the Showtime Lakers in the Great Western Forum, right? I mean, you see them on TV and you see them doing magic, and Worthy, and Kareem, and Byron Scott, and AC Green, and all those guys doing their thing.
And then, you, as a rookie, you on the floor and you're about to compete against them. Yeah, at that particular time, it was overwhelming for me. But at halftime, I snapped out of it and I was all right after that. But yeah, it was kind of, I was, I was, yeah, the lights was bright then. Tim Hardaway Sr.
here on The Rich Eisen Show. Killer Crossover is his book. Get It Where All Books Can Be Acquired here on The Rich Eisen Show. The Run TMC poster. We have it for you to take a look at from back in the day when you see this poster.
That's on the screen. What do you think of when you see this, Tim? I see it every day at the house. You too. Yes, I have it at the house.
I see it every day. I ask Chris Mullen and Mitch Richmond: do they have it? And they say yes, they see it every day. Um,. Every time I see that, Um I think that we could have won a championship with the Golden State Warriors back in the day if Don Nelson did not.
trade Mitch Richmond And gave us a chance and built around us as a core, we would have won the championship because a lot of teams were scared of us. All three of us. They didn't know how to control all three of us on the court. And we just needed, you know, a center. And when we had Alton Lister, he had tore his Achilles.
The first year he was there, he had Toys Achilles, and we had to, you know, supplement, and we had to go to gimmicks, back in gimmicks, and doing stuff again. But once he became healthy, then Mitch got traded. But I think we could have won a championship in Golden State with us three as the core and putting pieces around us.
So when I look at that picture every day, I just shake my head. But, you know, Chris and Mitch, we keep up with each other. We talk, our families, we talk with each other all the time. When we get in the room together, it's. You need a mic and film and us because that's all we do.
We just laugh, we reminisce, we joke, we have fun, and we go out and shoot something. You do. Who still is closest to their game at this day and age that run TMC? Chris Mullen, he's still closest to his game. And then Mitch Richmond is close.
I'm further back because I just watch my son play a lot and just watch him do his thing. And yeah, that's all. Right. I'm so psyched that I get to ask this question. Did you guys ever re meet run DMC?
Yes, yes. Actually, Chris used to go to St. John's with one of the guys. Uh-huh. I forget his name, which one he did, but he used to go to St.
John's with one of them. And you know, during the Playoffs. We were playing LA. That's when it came out, run TMC and all that.
So we were playing the playoffs, and the worst thing we could have ever done was have run DMC. Introduce us.
So we went in a form. All right, we went in the form. Or we come back home. Run DMC is introducing us. before the game.
and as he's introducing us, I see magic huddle his team around him. And You know, to what some of the guys was telling me, like, you know, they're making a mockery of this game and they got run DMC here. They want to think that we're not, you know, ready to play. Eh. And when he did that, when I saw that, I was like.
We in trouble. Yeah. We we are in serious trouble. And and as you and So I'm playing against him. I'm watching him.
But on TV, how he orchestrated everything. And how he, um, um, his leadership out there on the court, magic, magic, and what he was doing with his teammates and making them understand: yo, let's run this offense, let's get into this office quickly. Um, um, let's do this. This guy, they knew who was gonna shoot, they knew who was gonna get the ball, they were setting screens and everything. And I was like, and I, and I, and I was, and I was just looking at that, and I watched film after we lost series to him, and I was like.
That's how we gotta play. That's how our mentality has to be. And From that on from that point on, that's the way my mentality was the rest of my career. But uh, I saw when he when we had Rundam C, And to do us, I was like, that was the wrong move. That was the wrong move.
Was it Reverend Run? Did Reverend Run go to St. John's? No, no, it wasn't Reverend Run. I know it wasn't the Reverend Run.
It was the taller one.
Okay. I forget his name. But yeah, it was the taller one. Went to St. John's.
And not the DJ either. It was the not the DJ, yeah. It was DMC? It was that made the mistake. DMC went to St.
John's. Okay. Made the mistake of. Yeah, we well, our organization, we made, and we was like, yeah, yeah, all right, that's cool, let's do it, yeah. And then, like I said, we was like, I was like, we made a big mistake.
Not against Magic. You know, it could have been against somebody like the Supersonics or even, you know, Gary Payton would, well, probably Gary Payton wasn't there yet, but they wouldn't have stood for it. Right. Right. I mean, maybe nobody would have stood for it.
Right. Nobody would have stood for it. I'm just naming. I know that. I get it.
But Magic. I saw Magic. Once he got them together, I was like, we're in trouble, y'all. Last night, uh, Tim Hardaway Senior LeBron James became the oldest player in the history of the NBA with a triple double. What w when you watch him do stuff like this at this age and now have more points than Kareem and what he's doing at this advanced age, Maybe not even for him, but for most other humans.
What do you think of when you see that? I love it. I love it. I love him going out there and competing the way he competes, how he does it out there on the court, the way he has taken care of his body for this long in his career. Um, but but he's still playing at a high level.
so I can still see him playin' another year. You know, because can't nobody really can't no, there's nobody out there stopping him. You know, like taking initiative. All right, I'm gonna go out here and stop LeBron James. He's going out there doing whatever he wants to do, how he wants to do it in his 21st, 22nd year in the NBA.
And there's nobody in the league that's stopping him or taking the onuses to go out there and stop him.
So I think he could play another year at the way he takes care of his body. But it's remarkable, man, what he's out there doing, how he's doing it. And I love watching him. I love watching him play. I mean, I'm just seeing at the end of your career.
Was he just getting into the league, I think? Yes, he was just coming into the league. I got a story for you.
So we was in Chicago. And we had this run. Tim Grover had this run. It was Michael, Scotty, myself, Antoine Walker, and a lot of all other guys in there. And they was like, Yeah, LeBron coming today, so he was in high school still.
And he had just broke his wrist and he was coming out out of the cast and everything. And I knew that he was going to be really, really, really good. I know he was going to be disgraced, but I knew he was going to be really, really good.
So he came down on a fast break. And it was like a uh Uh uh three on two. And we were going to see what he was going to do.
So I had the front, somebody had the back, and we went and. And and tried not so he wouldn't pass. He took off from the free throw line. He just took off. Excuse my friends, and we was like, damn.
And you just see him just going up. He missed the dunk because he was so frantic. But he just took off from the free throw line. You just saw him done. He hit the back of the rim and went all the way down the court.
But I was like, yeah, that's impressive. Even though you missed the dump, but you to just take off from the free throw line, that's very impressive. I'm sure he wanted to show off a little bit, right? Oh, I think he still had some jitters because he was in front of Mike. This is his first time playing.
In front of Mike? With Mike, in front of Mike, on the same court as Mike. I think this was his first time with Scotty. And then, like I say, he had the cast. He had to just get the cast off a week early.
And they're like, come to Chicago and let's play.
So I think he was still, you know, he was just hyped up to come there and play. But after he missed that dump, you saw. What he could do out there. All is all around game. You know, his jump shot wasn't there, but you could tell that it would be there later on in his career.
But yeah, we saw that he was it. What's your favorite Jordan story? Oh, man. I got a bunch of 'em. I got a bunch of them.
Uh my favorite one so We um We in uh We had the All-Star game in New York. And we sitting down and Michael can't find his briefcase. You know His briefcase, even though that he always carries around.
So he told the security guard, he said, Hey. Oh. I left my briefcase at the hotel.
Somebody got to go get it. And he subbed himself out. Yeah. And uh the security guard came back And I was sitting right next to him. Hit him on.
We found the briefcase. We got everything that's good. Mike gat up call the time out, The coach was like, huh? He said, time out. He sub who wanted he wanted in with him.
And this was against Kobe. He set up who he wanted to g win him. And he went out there and got triple double w and and won the MVP. I said, now that's power. That he sent somebody home.
No, no, he said the briefcase. No, he sent somebody to the hotel in New York. Right, for the briefcase. Yeah, security guard. He had security.
Horace Balmer, God rest his soul, he passed away. But Horace Balmer came back and tapped him on the shoulder. We got the briefcase. He got up. He got up.
The coach, he didn't say call timeout. He got up and said, timeout. Hmm. Mm-hmm. How is the briefcase related to the he was discombobulated?
Ah, so he finally got locked in. Right. He was, he, he, he, you know, that briefcase discombobulated him some way. And once they said we got the briefcase, he was like, okay, I'm ready to go. As a Knick fan hearing this story.
But this all-star. This wasn't a Knick game. No, no, no, no. You're talking about Madison Square Garden. If all I knew To try and get Jordan off his game would be to take his briefcase away from him.
I'd have been like somebody doesn't matter. It's Madison Square Garden. He's discombobulated. Take that man's briefcase away from him. You know, that was in 1998, all stuff.
Well, that's the one where Kobe famously waved Carl Malone off the box, right? Yeah. He's like, I want this. Yes. You'll never forget that one.
Yes, that was 98. He was going against Kobe. Kobe made Michael play one-on-one against him whole court. Like, you're going to stick me, I'm going to stick you. But that's how Kobe wanted it.
He wanted, like they say, all the smoke. He wanted it. And yeah, he said, yeah, I got some more to work on. Yeah. I'll never forget that all-star game.
Yeah, that's the one where Stuart Scott and I drove down after a Saturday night sports center because he, you know, he was disappointed that he wasn't, he had to do sports center with me instead of hanging at the all-star game all weekend long. You got a Stewart story? Do you remember him? Yeah, I loved doing your highlights. I know he loved doing your crossover.
Well, plus, you're two Chicago guys. Yes. He loved you. I loved him too. I worked with him.
And you know I didn't know that he was going through all the cancer, the chemo, and everything. Right. And it was very, very remarkable. how he did his job.
Okay. Because you're looking at the teleprompter. Right. He really couldn't see. He couldn't see, Tim.
He could not see.
So when he's. talking they talking in his ear yes And he's talking to the audience. And they say, yeah, we go on the video. He was like this on the table. He was looking down.
Right at it. Right at it. That's how close he needed to be to see what he was talking about. And and I'm over and I I'm right next to him and I'm like. Damn.
Wow. I was impressed. And so when people talk about him, Ah, I seen it first hand. How great he was at his job. I seen first hand how He Oh.
prepared for his job. And I said, man, i if anybody could see him or anybody watched him or anybody was in his uh his you know uh Just was around him, you you are fortunate. to have seen a great person. I mean, not only do his job, but just a great person. You know, he was also great at also, he was great at everything, but he was great at, and certainly towards the end of his life when he was really sick, he still did it anyway, the trophy.
Presentation after NBA finals. Yes. He was awesome at that. Yes. He was great.
You know, because you also don't want to give up the microphone because some people always grab the microphone and try and say something. Exactly. He was a maestro at getting people in there and having fun and being chill about it. Exactly. But he did love you.
Yeah, I love him too. We just talk all the time. When you know, you got to get there early, three, four hours early, and we just chop it up, chop it up. And he'd just be doing his job, doing his work, and we doing our stuff. And he'd just chop it up for another 15 minutes, just talk.
And, you know, he loves sports in general. I know, but he also is a real competitor. Did he ever try to cross over you? Did he ever try to say, hey, let me show you what I've got? He wanted to go to the University of Connecticut and he wanted to play me one-on-one.
He did want to play me one-on-one. I was like, Stu. I said, Stu, you know. I mean, I love you, but you know, I. Come on now.
This totally tracks. This tracks. I knew it. He's very competitive now. And at some point, he'd be like, I know you've got a, again, name your books, Killer Crossover.
Yes. But he probably said, I've got one too. Yeah, yeah, he did say that. And I was like, I don't want to go out there and embarrass you. I do not because if we if we gonna be on camera, then he he's gonna wanna do some stuff and I'm gonna have to show him some stuff and it's gonna be on camera.
Yeah. You know, I and I don't wanna embarrass him on camera. Yeah. Who's the best point guard in the NBA today? You're sitting around, you've got your league pass, you could choose whatever.
point guard you want to watch in the end. Why? Because um His coffin is. He's puttin' the team on his back. the team his leadership He's leading this team.
To and nobody knew this. First In the Eastern Conference, number one in the Eastern Conference right now. And they got a five-game, seven-game lead on New York and Boston. But he has put that team on his back. I love how he goes out there and plays.
And I knew he was going to be an all-star, and I knew he was going to be an MVP candidate this year. And the way he plays, um, It shows he's a hard-nosed player. And a lot of people really, really, really. don't know about his defence. He plays great defense.
And if you're not careful, if you think you're going up for a dunk, if you think you're going up for a layup. He's throwing that stuff off the glass.
So, yeah, he got sneaky hops, and he would throw your stuff off the glass, and he would dunk on you.
So, yeah, I love watching Kay Cunningham. Of course, I love watching. Um Brunson and SGA, but I say right now. Uh The best point guard is Kay Cunningham.
Well, 40 wins by the all-star break out of 53 games for the Detroit Pistons. Five and a half game lead is not too shabby. And you're a perfect guy to have sitting in this chair. News just broke that Chris Paul is retiring. Yeah.
I give you the floor on his greatness. I was on my way here and I read it on my phone. And I was like, wow, you know, um It's it first of all, it's a shame what happened with him and In the Clippers. That that that was just a shame and atrocious. And and I'm quite sure he he's going to say t say his side and everything, but um Great career.
Uh He didn't want to he didn't go out the way he should have went out. Um but you know, like they say, he is a point god. Um uh if if if I'm gonna tell you this. He taught so many guys. How to play and taught them what they needed to do to get better.
On and off the court.
So for instance, we talking about S G A. From OKC If he na have Chris Paul, To the Lynch. For one year. He would I don't think that he will understand how good he will be. at this particular point.
I think it'd take him another two years. But at that particular time when Chris Paul left and he oh, he was with him, he knew how good he was and what he can be in this league. And that was because of Chris Paul.
So, yeah, I mean, Chris Paul, he has taught a lot of these point guards and tutored them, and he's still doing great things. Off the court with kids, too. Oh, yeah. With his academy and everything. But man, fabulous career.
It's a shame that he didn't go out the way he wanted to go out. But I feel that for him to come out. And retire. I feel that he. He's comfortable with it.
We'll have an orange jacket with you. Oh, no question. First Ballet Hall of Famer. No question, he'd be first Ballot Hall of Famer, and he's going to be right there. No question.
You got a question, TJ, before we let Tim Hardaway Sr. go on his day? Yeah, sure.
So, Tim, you know, we're we're on the sports show and everyone loves lists. And before you came out, Brockman and I were talking about this. It's something that he and I do regularly. But if you were to give your Mount Rushmore of point gods, Who would make up that Mount Rushmore?
Well, of course of Of course, Isaiah Thomas. The real one, you know, we're talking about Detroit Pistons from Chicago. Isaiah Thomas. Zeke. Zeke.
Uh magic. Mm, that's two. Uh You're halfway home. Oscar Robinson, John Stockton. That's your four.
Mm-hmm. I saw it. That's a good four. That's a good one. But you know what?
You can't never go wrong. You know, you can pick Jason Kidd, you could pick Steph, Steph, GP, myself, you, Jerry West. Chris Paul. I mean, it's a lot of point guards. That's, you know, Kevin Johnson.
You know, I mean, it's a lot of point guards that was out there. But who had the best crossover? Tim Hardaway, senior. You better believe it. You tip two steps?
You tip two steps. Yep. Cross them ankles up. But yeah, go get my book. Tells about my story, how I made it from the streets of Chicago to basketball royalty.
It was tough. It was difficult. Talk about my, you know, growing up. And, you know, my dad was an alcoholic. And, you know, he was domestic violence, you know, and stuff like that.
So it was hard, man. It was hard. And so it tells about my life. And it's a good book for kids to read because you can make it. You just got to be strong.
You know, you got to be strong. And, you know, we didn't know we had mental illness back then. We did not know that. We did not know that we could talk to people back then. Sure.
But now you have somebody to talk to if you have mental illness. You have somebody to talk to. You have somebody that you always can go to and talk. And I advise you to go and talk to somebody because you need to get that off your mind. You need to get that off your chest.
And what got it off my chest was playing basketball in the streets of Chicago, where I could go out there and use that to my advantage to get better and to get stronger and to make my life easier.
So, yeah, that's. That's my book right there. Killer Crossover: My Life from the Chicago Streets to Basketball Royalty. Forward by Chris Mullen, which is pretty cool. Yes.
Yeah. On the back, Muggsy Bogues is giving a few words. Isaiah Thomas. That's pretty cool for you, obviously, to have you know. Isaiah was my basketball idol when I was growing up.
My dad played basketball, basketball legend in the city of Chicago. Also, I used to go watch him play. But my grammar school coach took me out of. school uh one day and we went to it's called the amphitheater and And he was out there and he said, take a look at number 11 on the white team, St. Joseph team.
And I'm looking at him. I see him how he controls everything. I said, you know, great ball play. He's doing whatever. He said, yeah, you play just like him.
I was like, get out of here. Come on now. He said, right now, you play just like him. This is how you can control the whole situation.
So I just started watching Isaiah do my, you know, as he went through Indiana, Detroit Pistons, and as I went to Carver, UTEP, I kept an owl, Isaiah, and he was my basketball. Uh, you know, legend and and and I I you know, my game I patterned my game after him. And it and Sir, you did a great job of that. And number 10 in your program, the only person who prevented you from wearing number 10, if I'm not mistaken, was Manuk Bull when you were rookie. Yeah, man, you know, you were wearing five.
I was wearing five. He told me, Yeah, you know, give me your whole contract. I said, You want $500,000? That's all I'm making. He said, Yes, I want the whole contract.
Let's see how much you really want this number 10. I went back to the equipment manager. I said, I will take number five. Ha ha ha ha ha. I said, yeah, I take number five.
And you weighted him out. Hey, I weighed him out. And then Nellie, the next year, was like, okay, Manuk, we're going to give you the boot and let him get his number 10. Killer crossover again, get where all books are sold. Great.
Amazon. Amazon. Amazon and where all books are sold. Hey, thanks for coming here. Thank you for having me.
Have any time here in LA? Let me know. I'll have you back here anytime. Just chop it up like it's like it's you, me, and Stu again. Exactly.
Back in the era. That's what it was supposed to be. That's the way it is. I love everything. This is you doing a great job.
Thanks. Love the great work. Really appreciate that. Tim Hardaway Sr., right here on The Rich Eyes. And show your phone calls.
Still to come right here on the show. The Rich Eisen Show Podcast. Here on the Rich Eisen Show, 844-204-Rich, number to dial. Let's go to Christian Toronto. He's been hanging on forever.
What's up, Christian? How you been? How's it going, guys? Everything good? Great.
Not bad.
So, quickly before my question, I know you asked about the Olympics, which sport would you want and wouldn't you want? I'm gonna go with Snowboard cross I would want to do and I wouldn't want to participate in anything related to the luge. Yeah, the luge is just something that I I again I'm sure lose people will be like, you can absolutely steer it. Luge people. You lose people.
Again, doesn't number 10 on the screen look like he is frightened out of his mind? Is his are his eyes open? Right? I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. Hanging on for a second.
So I thought I'd bring forth to you a popular debate across like sports media, the X, the Instagram, whatever. I don't think you've commented on it yet, like definitively, but anyway.
So with a two year body of work, How would you rank the twenty twenty four QB draft class, like one to five? Yeah. Well, you mean rank them right now, all six of them, is what you're saying?
Well, sure, you can do six. I was I just I fast. I was that's fine.
Well, who are you leaving out? Who are you leaving out, bud? Don't you're leaving out JJ McCarthy? Is that where you're leaving him out? Is that what you're having?
I wanna see what you have to say. I I have my opinion, but I wanna see what you have to say.
Well, he and Pennix both have a jury out on him still. I mean, I think the four other guys have proven their their metal as being fir bona fide uh um, starters in the NFL and ones that can, you know, Go deep into the playoffs for sure. I mean, Caleb Williams just. Redeemed his first season. And everything that he was concerned about going to Chicago.
Thanks for the call, Christian, and food for thought here. Um I'm going to talk this out here. Um Caleb. Everything that he was concerned about going into the draft and saying, sure, draft me Chicago. uh everything he was concerned about.
Happened in his first year there, right? All the fears about him and his dad had about being drafted by the Bears were realized in the first year, and then Ben Johnson came in and wiped that all away, and now off they go. Jaden Daniels' first year was One of the greatest we've seen. That was great. Yeah.
And then he gets hurt. Mm.
So we we need to see what year three looks like. Drake May, year one. Yeah. Caleb's first year, wouldn't you say? Except Caleb started all the games.
Right. Drake May didn't. Didn't clearly have the right coaching staff.
Now he does. Clearly. Boom. 14 wins. Super Bowl.
Super Bowl. you know But beep. He made the Super Bowl. Yeah, come on. Give him a little credit.
Yeah, Stuart Ball and should have been MVP if it wasn't for someone in this room.
Okay. And Bo Nicks, I think he's yet to win a playoff game, but. Damn, man, I wish I would have seen what he looked like in the AFC Championship game in that game. Sure. And then so But gosh.
So he ranked them in terms of what their career is going to look like. Is that what he's saying? Or as they stand today. As they stand today? If I had to take one of them out of all of them, who would I choose?
Is that what he's basically asking me? I'll just power rank them. Bo Next did win a playoff game this year, obviously. Pardon me, yeah. I mean, um.
Yeah, just just rank 'em. This is trade up top five. Yeah. Well, obviously, five is JJ/slash Pennex, whose starter role next year I don't think is guaranteed. I think you're right about that.
And I think, you know, Penix for sure might not even be ready. Right. Um, And then there's J.J. McCarthy, who I think is going to start week one of next year. You know, again, the coach said that.
Organizations fail young quarterbacks before the other way around. I mean, her cousins might be back in Minnesota. If I had to guess, I'd say, I'd. If I had a guess, Atlanta's going to keep him. They'll figure out how to.
Keep them. Release and resign. Catch and release. Release and catch. Catch and release.
You know, release and catch. Going fishing today. Yeah, I mean, Stefansky and he have a history and. I think Atlanta would be wise to figure out a way to keep him there. And if not, if I'm the Jets, I'm like, Kirk, do you want to come here?
I'm sure his answer would be like, no. You already said no to them when they were in a worse situation. True. I mean, pardon me, when they were in a better situation. Um Have you noticed I'm tap dancing long enough to not be held to account if you want me to do it?
I'll do it. No, no, I got it. No, I got it. I got it.
Well, you're just delaying. You're like Cage going to bed, stalling, stalling. I did that too as a kid. I like that.
Okay. I'm just always good. You can do that. Oh. Look at Christmas.
I'll go back up the mini. I'll go NYX for Jaden Daniels, three, because I don't know what he's going to look like coming back. The new offensive coordinator. I'll go May 2 and I'll go Caleb 1. Not surprising.
I don't know why it's not surprising. I mean, it's probably. Correct answer. Let me ask you this question, Chris. Disagree.
Heart of hearts.
Well, of course you would. Heart of hearts.
Of hearts. Oh, look at this. Frank May is better. I want you removing the emotion from it. I want all emotion removed from it.
Boom, I just removed it. I just made it, I just boom. Boom. Like poltergeist. Boom.
A house is clean. The house is clean. You get to choose one to be the quarterback of the New England Patriots moving forward. Drake May's never played a game for the Patriots yet. He's not, you know, Drake, Drake, May, May, you haven't fallen in love with him as well.
You should. Remove it from all. You really don't take Caleb Williams. With what we've just seen. From him.
One guy went to the Super Bowl and should have been MVP. One team. And the other guy didn't. One team was. What are we doing?
TJ, I should ask you. Since you are legitimately emotionally removed from this question, no dog in this fight. I mean, correct.
Sound like Tom Brady. Here's the deal, right? My initial, my first blush, as I've learned from you, is to say, Caleb, I'm. Hesitant to give Drake credit, not because I don't think he's good, just because I got to hear it from this guy every day. But if I take him out of the interview, Drake May is phenomenal, right?
You can't, and I feel like he's going to be great. But Kayla Williams. Caleb. This recency bias because Jaden Daniels looked great in year one. Yeah, I don't want to do the steak in the sizzle, right?
Because Caleb. You see a lot of flashy plays and I think your eye gets drawn to that. Yeah, I don't know if that necessarily makes him better than Drake at full.
So I honestly, I'm going to say, Kay. I'll say what's super unpopular. I think Bo Nicks is better than Jaden Daniels. Ooh. Isn't that super unpopular?
I mean, his availability, you. Um that certainly surpasses it, even with his ankle being broken. supposedly because it's it's it was uh r you know Bound to be. I think kind of what his coach put out there. Really?
I think that's classic. You take Nix's two-year body of work over Jaden Daniels. Yeah, for sure. One-year body of work. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that one-year body of work was sensational. It was sensational. It was nice. I think the best thing about Sam. Finally, winning is we can kind of, we won't, and I say we as a sports talk world, we won't get away from this, but now we got to give these quarterbacks in their first, second, even third years a little bit more leniency than we've been giving them before.
Sir, you are way off on that one.
Now you could cancel it. But the fact that they just did what they've done Is you're on the clock, Fernando Mendoza. You're on the clock, Ty Simpson. You're on the clock, anybody who's drafted. Fernando Mendoza is going to go to the Raiders and then within two years make them a contender.
It don't work like that. The line gets rich. It just did. It does. It gets happened.
I remember. It took you guys $300 million to put players on that. And the Raiders have that type of capsule. Excuse me. I remember time.
If I may.
Sound like a A man is a man in my day, I understand. Get off my lawn.
Okay. I remember a time when the Pittsburgh Steelers chose a kid out of Miami or Ohio that nobody really ever saw s watched play. He got thrown into the mix. I will never forget how he got thrown in that mix in Miami, where there was this crazy storm that happened. And he's got to start.
Alan Fanneka was like, really? We're starting this kid. We're benching, was it Tommy Maddox? We're benching our guy. For the kid, really?
This knucklehead from Miami, Ohio. We gotta go. He didn't lose a game until the AFC Championship game. And everyone in the NFL is like, we are starting anybody that we draft in that position, and they better do as well as Big Ben. And the pressure was on to the point where a couple of years later, the Packers go and draft Favre's replacement and sit him.
And everybody's like, what the hell are they doing?
So, yeah, the fact that we're asking these questions, this caller from Toronto Christian, just put me in a little bit of a blender. on the spot. Is 100% going to put the pressure on the kids that just got drafted last year? And the ones coming this year. I guess 100% seeing that.
Look how long it took Sam. Look how long it took Baker. Like, all these guys are going to be in a situation where two years are going to be able to get it done. I fully believe you, and I hear you. I get it.
But I think I'm right here because I know what the name of the show is. Ken Jennings said it as well. You know? And I told you Larry did wordle. Let's take a break here.
Rich Eisen is right. Thank you. He has no idea what I'm referring to. He's been here, he's only been here every day this week. But that's the first time.
Back to wrap this show in a second. The Rich Heisen Show, the podcast. Back here on the Rich Eisen show is one big Simon Casper. Back here on the radio, LeBron, a triple-double last night, the oldest to do such a thing. Um and um He was asked after the game if he was, in fact, still having fun.
You were oozing joy before the game. Cameras caught you dancing. Where did that joy come from tonight? That's always me out. I don't know.
I mean, it's always, I'm a goofy ass 41-year-old kid. Uh I made this. I think people should know that by now, right? I think that's, you know. Yeah, that's just me, I'm Just a goofy.
I just um I'm I gotta play basketball. Right. They pay me to but play basketball. Like, why wouldn't I be happy about that? I got the B one.
My son and my teammates, and people, all these unbelievable fans, they've watched me throughout my career and they give me all the support and love, and it's like. Like I enjoy Enjoyed my I don't even, is it work? I enjoy what I do, so have fun. You see me on the court. See me in the in the back, I just love what I do.
Still going at it. Yeah, sure.
Ladies and gentlemen, he's truly one of the LeBron haters of all time. But he claims that he's on the Mount Rushmore or the Mount LeBron. Everything points to you being. Oh, he's goofy. He's out there having fun, flopping and rolling around and faking, getting hit.
He's trying to win. He's trying to win. Sure. That's trying. Best actor?
Why not? By the way, he was outstanding. As an actor. For Judd Appatel, he really was outstanding. Him and John Cena.
Yeah. Okay. True. All right.
He and Bill Hayter had great chemistry. It's just great to see. I still can't. We just talked with Tim Hardaway about Stuart Scott. I did Sports Centers after school.
High school games. It's twenty twenty six. He's triple doubling. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
And it's just also unbelievable that um He's the second Los Angeles star player to be referred to as a goofy ass this week. He referred to himself as such, LeBron. Good one, right? Slander. Or an accurate description from Ernest Jones IV.
Who's the third Los Angeles star? Things and threes to be called a goofy ass. Sitting next to him. There hey. Mike Del Tufo, goofy ass.
Wait, wait, Chris, you just called him a star in Los Angeles. Yeah, let's not do that. Don't feed the animals. He's on the halftime show. We don't want to bleep what I'm going to say right now.
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And thanks to Vinny Pasquintino for zooming in from the Cactus League for the Kansas City Royals. That's a first, right? That's from maybe a first from the Cactus League, where the Dodgers play and their star defensive, their star pitcher and designated hitter, the goofy ass Shoey O'Tonnie. Deltufo. And the goofy ass.
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