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Now. On with the show. This is the Rich Eisen Show. The Jets? I haven't enjoyed a football season since 1969.
From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Jets are tearing it all down. Wow, they really are. Today's guests. Pro Football Hall of Famer Kurt Warner.
Chargers safety Derwin James. Senior writer for the MMQB, Albert Breer. And now, it's Rich Eisen.
Well, hey everybody, welcome to this edition of The Rich Eisen Show here on a Wednesday. Kurt Warner coming up.
So much to talk about from yesterday. Talk about with him. Derwin James, our neighbor across the street of the Los Angeles Chargers, Albert Breer, to tell us why everything went down yesterday. There's you at 844-204-Rich, number to dial. I've got my power rankings as well, which means there'll be a lot of chirping from the audience.
Good to see you over there, Chris Brockman. How are you? I'm great. It's weird because we were so close to making a deal to get rid of Del Tufo yesterday. Oh, my God.
Yeah, I was going to be tricked. Never mind, it was close. We were going to try to send him to McAfee. I might leave him like two weeks. It was so close.
Excuse me. You're like Garrett Wilson. You're untouchable. Thank you, Rich. See, I respect that, Rich.
Huh? Everybody accuses me. We were skating on you. You're so close. See, you're untouchable.
We got calls. And I don't mean one of the untouchables that wound up in the elevator. No, I don't want to. I mean, truly untouchable. Spoiler hurt.
I like it. TJ Jefferson, Candles, Lit. Good to see you, man. How are you? Do you mean we couldn't trade him for like, I don't know, say like the wolf or somebody?
Hey, listen, you got Quinnen Williams yesterday. Listen, the Cowboys started with Logan Wilson and ended with Quinn Williams. And it went from like, man, Jerry doesn't know what. Wait a minute. Hold on a second.
Settle down just a little bit. Yeah, settle down just a little bit. Man, my team did nothing. Rich, I'm going to need you to talk me down a little bit because all the talking head experts are now saying we gave up too much. But I know you'll be able to.
We will have this discussion on the program. Thank you. I appreciate it. Listen, but it all does start with a team that dismantled its top five defense by trading away. It's two best defensive players.
In a span of about an hour for multiple draft choices, first rounds as well. Two ones for a 24-year-old corner in Sauce Gardner, who's just three years removed from being offensive rookie of the year. Or two years, really. defensive rookie of the year and and um And Quinn and Williams. who's one of the best in the business.
Indeed. guys that Jets fans thought would be the uh lifetime jets. And in the same way, you don't trade.
Somebody like Micah Parsons at age 26 doing what he does, those guys don't get traded. Neither do guys who were 27, like Quentin Williams, doing what he does, and somebody in their mid-20s, like. Sauce Gardner doing what he's done. Mm-hmm. And but just like everything with the Jets.
It can't just be discussed in a vacuum. Hmm. Which is why we begin today's show on Wait For It. January 4th. 2000.
Oh, why would I choose that date? In the year. Because in the year 2000, in the year 2000. It's Just as I said. Not in a vacuum.
We're talking about this century that is a quarter of the way done. Bill Ballot check on that day, January 4th. 2000. wrote on a cocktail napkin. I am resigning as the HC of the NYJ.
He had just been named the head coach the day before, and he resigned. Mm. And The Parcells era That had the Jets. Having this guy as his defensive coordinator and the Jets on the precipice of the Super Bowl. In an AFC championship game in Denver, only to run it back the next year with Vinny Testaverdi, only to have him wait for it.
See if you've heard this one before, blow out his Achilles in the first game. Mm-hmm. And then have it go down the tubes. In that Year of 2000, it started with that. And then three months later.
The first round selection. Who is the centerpiece of the offense? Of the Parcells era, the first overall pick. Yes, kids, wide receivers usually get picked first overall. Keyshawn Johnson gets traded.
Boom, boom. Belichick gone. Part cells is gone. Keyshawn's gun. Keyshawn.
And they traded him. To the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Stop me if you've heard that one before. And they got the 13th and 27th overall picks in the first round of the 2000 draft because they. Got a first rounder for Keyshawn.
And uh Yeah. Sure enough. This rebuild That led to Al Gro taking over the Jets with Wayne Crabt. This rebuild is one of their most successful. Because with that choice, they chose Jonathan Abraham.
You remember John Abraham? Absolutely. He got 53 and a half sacks for the Jets. He played 15 years, but. Only six with the Jets.
And he was terrific. He tied Kleco and Gastono's single game record once with four sacks in a game. They also. got Anthony Beck with the 27th overall pick. He was a 12-year probe, just played five for the Jets.
And um That worked out. Um With Herman Edwards to the tune of Herm taking the team to the playoffs a few times and going two and three. A high watermark is when they boat raced Peyton Manning out of the playoffs once. That happened, kids. But it bottomed out in 2005 when they went 4-12, despite having Hall of Famers named Tyla, Curtis Martin, and Kevin Y on the team.
But anyway, so Abraham gets franchised. Tagged and he gets pissed because it was slapped on. I mean, you didn't want it. And he wants to be traded and the Jets oblige him in 2006. And they wound up trading him to Atlanta, and they got.
A first round selection. For that. In the 2006 draft that turned into, may he rest in peace, Nick Mangle. And in that draft, they also used their own pick on the Brickershaw Ferguson. That set up this offensive line.
And that set things up for the next year they drafted Darrell Rivas. And that eventually led to Rex Ryan showing up. And with Rex and Rivas and Sanchez and Mangold and DeBrickashaw Ferguson, they made not one, but two AFC Championship games.
So, buttons got pushed, and the Jets got to the precipice again. Oh, and having a fall of crap. And Dorell Rivas, who is a jet, Supposedly for life. He winds up having all these contract disputes that get played out on hard knocks. And he wants to be traded and the Jets oblige him.
Stop me, you've heard this before. Trade him to Tampa. For a twenty thirteen NFL draft. overall draft choice, number 13 overall. who turned into Sheldon Richardson.
And he played a grand total of... Four years for the New York Jets. They also got a fourth-round pick in Jalen Saunders, who is not in the Jets ring of honor. Yeah.
So that one didn't work out so well because Rex bottoms out. He gone. Hey y'all. Jets do nothing. I mean, Rex went 4-2 in the playoffs.
The two losses were in the AFC Championship game. The high watermark is when. They Knocked Tom Brady out of the playoffs. Yep. You know, can't wait, all that stuff.
Can't wait. Didn't lead to a ring, though. Came close. But it all bottoms out again. Twenty eighteen new fangled.
Broadway Sam shows up. It's not the same darn old Jets that had a t-shirt. Charlie Yook, King Spring, and the NFL Network gave me that for my birthday. Thank you, Charlie. That's now a relic.
He shows up, third overall pick in 2018. Yes, kids, the kid who's. killing it right now for the Seahawks. Seen ghosts. Had that happen to him while he was a check.
And Todd Bowles is the coach. They fire him. After drafting Darnold, because they want to hook him up with an offensive guru, and the guy that they hook him up with is. Adam Gaze. See, in copy.
I think, was he looking around for a way out? An exit sign? He's looking for tacos. It's gase. Mm-hmm.
Two seasons with him. He gone, he gone. And sure enough, In comes Robert Sala because Gace bottomed out so badly. They have the second overall pick. And they use it on Zach Wilson.
And welcome. From BYU to New York City, from BYU to NYC. Zach? He's the hope.
So we got to trade Darnold, right? And they off. Darnold to the Panthers in exchange. For a sixth round pick in 2021, plus a second and a fourth in the 2022 draft. which the Jets Crushed.
They crushed. Because guess who showed up with that second round draft choice? Brees Hall. Brees Hall, and in that draft. In the first round.
They used the second of their two first three first rounders On Garrett Wilson. That's what they did. Oh, by the way, the reason why they had Garrett Wilson. They had the draft choice for him. is because in between Darnold And Zach Wilson.
They traded away Jamal Adams as another reset. To Seattle, which gave them two first-rounders, including the one they used on Darrett Wilson. That was a great trade. Who wound up yesterday being untouchable, along with apparently Brees Hall? But sauce Who they chose.
As their first draft choice in 2022. He's gone for two ones as there's another. Reset. I actually decided to use artificial intelligence. And I went to the old AI machine and I put in how many.
Rebuilds have there been for the Jets. How many Jets rebuilds have there been? And this is what shows up. Post-name at the Klein Search for Success that included Coslett Carolyn Ko-Tite. Uh-oh.
The Build Parcels era, the Post-Parcels Edwards era, and then also. Post Rex Ryan. Oh, there's a name that we haven't mentioned yet, Robert Sala. And there's another name that we haven't mentioned yet, in Eric Mangini, because two of the other reset/slash rebuilds. Included two defensive-minded head coaches who got their first head coaching gigs with the Jets, and it all went down to tubes eventually for them because.
The Packers future first ballot Hall of Famer 2.0s didn't work out for them. Far from Angini, although it didn't even Man, Genie named one of his kids far for the middle name or Brett? Got a tattoo or something. I don't remember. And Sala, obviously, as we all know, famously.
With Aaron Rodgers.
So it's kind of a tough sell. When you're the general manager fresh to the job. And Darren Mooji. To sell this thing as Hope. I know he's new.
Aaron Glenn knows all about this stuff because he was part of the Parcells era. But he's new to the gig and we can't Put all the last weight for it. Quarter century on top of them. Although you look at the AI, this goes back to the Mixon administration. But He's gonna go out there and sell this to the Jets fan base as.
Hold. Darren Brees Hall, what went into if you're gonna trade these two guys, what went into not trading Brees? Because it would seem like the guy who's a pending free agent would be part of the would be part of the tear down here. I wouldn't call it a teardown, and I understand the question, but Like I said, through these processes, we talk about a lot of things and we field a lot of calls and we've got values. And Brees is a talented player, and he's going to help us compete and win games the rest of the season.
Except Maybe not this Sunday, but you know. Yeah.
Mm. He's right though. It's not a teardown. They didn't trade Brees, who I, you know, bless him. Because at this point in time, he's a free agent.
He can walk. I mean, I guess they can. Do their best to try and keep him. Crazier things have happened. I do remember everybody thought Reggie Wayne.
I do remember Reggie Wayne was gone, everybody thought, in Indianapolis when they were sucking for luck, and he stayed. And look at what happened. I understand. And they. Thankfully.
Looked at Garrett Wilson and said, not him. Not today. Correct. And again, we don't know how large the iceberg is underneath. And Aaron Glenn and Mooji and everybody else there have taken stock on who's on the boat and who's not.
Who is Rowing against us, and who's rowing with us. I get it, I understand. And plus two ones. It's tough to turn down, even for somebody as young and Good as sauce. But I think Joe Manganello, bless him.
Who's enjoying the fruits of his Aaron Rodgers labor, unlike some of the Jets fans over the last two years? Although it's a different organization as this last 12 minutes have pointed out in Pittsburgh. than it is for the Jets. Uh he sent me this post, this tweet. I don't know who Zoo Krueger is.
I do know he's got a nameth. Emoji, I saw this. But this sums it up. If you weren't with the Jets during the rebuild. Don't be with us during the rebuild.
Very funny. As we said yesterday, it's like not Now, now, now is when now is when all of the assets that we've had because we rebuilt before and we got and we came close with, or the rebuild assets that we got that we didn't come close with, and thus we have to trade them for another rebuild. All of those assets who rebuilt the team into just having to rebuild again because we didn't have this right or that right.
Now, now. is when it turns. Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah.
Mm-hmm. It's a tough one. It's a very tough one. But You do have to go on. They do have...
Multiple draft choices. in the first and second days for the next two drafts that they can actually Build the team with. You know, Matt Miller, our colleague at the Worldwide Leader, says the 2027 draft, that's the one that's going to be loaded. That's the one that the Jets have. The Colts first round pick.
Dallas's first-round pick and their own first-round pick. That'll be in Washington, D.C., by the way. And that, you know, again. It's just, hey, Jets fans, you just gotta hope. That this thing turns around faster.
Man, hope is not a strategy. Hope that Aaron Glenn has got it. Again, they started 0-10-1. in Detroit with Dan Campbell and then What, uh, one in Five the next year or something like that. Then it turned around.
Now look at him. That's you gotta hope and that Mooji is the one unlike Yeah. Isaac and Bradway and Douglas and all the other general managers who have come and gone. as part of the rebuilds. nail it and then you pay them and you keep them and they're happy.
And you win, and you turn into, say, the Patriots all of a sudden. For the Lions or Seahawks with Darnold.
Okay. Colts. But in the meantime If you weren't with him for the Rebuild then We don't want you for this rebuild. He definitely said that. Not in a vacuum.
You can't look at it in a vacuum. You certainly cannot look at it in a vacuum. Really good. 46 years. And that's.
The way it goes, but they do have the draft choices, but they don't have Quentin Williams and they don't have Darrell Rivas anymore. And those are the guys as part of the rebuild who are supposed to build something where you don't trade them and you keep winning. and you don't churn through coaches and general managers and you win. But now, now this is it. That's why they call Fans, it's a base of fanatics.
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Have you? Seen Julius at the Hall of Fame and revisited this conversation moment with him at all, Kurt, or no, not at all? I've seen Julius and I've congratulated him on the Hall of Fame, but this was not part of the conversation that we had. I didn't want to rehash that at all.
So I'm sure Julius doesn't even remember. He's just going for a football like I was, but I'll never forget that for sure. You know, I thought something interesting too, like when I went back in and played. An interesting thing is when we actually got down into the red zone. They took me out and put in Tim Ratte because of some of the aspects of the red zone and handing off in tight spaces and not wanting me to hand off with my off arm.
And so we took some unique precautions to make sure that I could play, but I also wasn't hurting our team or myself in any way. And I think that would be another thing with Jaden Daniels, he plays the game. Obviously, very different than I played the game. You know, running the ball and that aspect of things is such a dynamic part of Jaden's game. That, you know, that could be another element in: hey, if we put him back in there, you know, is he going to put himself more in harm's way because he's used to running and making plays as opposed to me just standing in the pocket and delivering throws.
So, just another aspect to, you know, to consider. Kurt Warner here on the Rich Eisen show. There's two injured quarterbacks in Kyler Murray and Mac and Brock Purdy right now. both in the NFC West. And we've seen what Mac Jones has done with Purdy being out.
Purdy has this big fat contract.
So does Kyra Murray. But Jacoby Brissette, as I mentioned yesterday, Kurt. The offense looks so much better under him. And as we find out, Kyler Murray may need another couple weeks. still to be recovered.
And uh A lot of people are wondering if that's just cover for the obvious. Uh is from your estimation brissette operating this Drew Petzing offense better than Kyler Murray. Current?
Well, I mean, yeah, I think you could say better. I mean, I would just say more on schedule and more on time. You know, that's just. Who Jacoby is. You know, he's always been.
A pocket tight passer that plays on time and on schedule. And Kyler, although really good when he's throwing to his number one guy and he knows where he wants to go with football. obviously is a different kind of playmaker. When he kind of gets beyond that and wants to create and make the big plays In other ways. And so, when you're looking at in structure and timing and all of that stuff, yeah, Jacobi's.
Um you know, playing this offense and playing within this offense. better than I think. Kyler did, but they're just, they're different. And, you know, a lot of it does come down to. How you want to play, or feeling like, even though Kyler may not do some of the things Jacoby has done, he does other things.
That makes their team better or different or special. In different ways. And that's the interesting dynamic here: is that, yes, it's easy to throw on the tape and say, okay. this looks better. This looks more on schedule.
And maybe they've even been more successful in certain situations. than they were with Kyler. But that doesn't automatically mean that this team is better. Um and their offense is better. without Kyler Murray and the dynamics that he brings.
So it's an interesting. you know, situation when you have two guys, you know, like this situation that play. Drastically different. And then you talked about the San Francisco situation. Those are two guys that play very similar, you know, and how they're going to play the game.
And so comparing the two of them, you know, I think you have to do it in a different way. And obviously, there's. Contracts that come into this. I mean, the Niners just paid Purdy a ton of money, and it's his locker room. Or it has been.
And I understand these toe injuries take a while to come back, but you're seeing how Mac Jones is playing and. back in the day bled so right Belichick stayed with the hot hand. And so, what's your philosophy on all of this? Again, it's not, it's all. Different situations with contracts and when they were paid.
And, you know, Kyler got paid a couple of years ago, maybe different in Arizona than it is in San Francisco. But what's just your general sense on this subject, matter? Yeah, you know, obviously tough because I ended up getting my job because of an injury to Trent Green. I think the one different caveat to that was, you know, Trent was a season-ending injury. And so I had an entire season body of work and we.
Obviously, I won the Super Bowl that year. And so I think there can be situations like that with a prolonged. uh body of work. Um a player that came in due to injury. can hold on to that seat if the team is playing well and they have rallied around him and they're just playing good football, I guess in terms of what Dick Vermil said about me, playing good football in that situation.
But I also think that it's easy for us to see a change in an offense when a guy goes in. And automatically think, oh, that guy's just as good, or that guy gives us the best opportunity to win. And the coaching staff and people in the building go, well. We can't forget about This playmaking aspect, or this thing that Brock does different, or that Kyler does different, and the reasons why we paid these guys. I know it's easy to forget that when the other guy goes in and you win, or his stats are pretty good, but that to me is always the element when it comes back.
to that time. Um I think ultimately it should come down to Who's the best guy for the job? Who's the guy that gives us the best chance that we believe is the best player? In this situation. And we should play them.
I've always felt that doesn't matter what situation you're in or where you're drafted or how much money you make. The one thing that I always thought was the beauty of sports was if you found yourself in a situation where it was true competition. Where it was, hey, these are the guys that we have. The best player will play regardless. Nothing matters, we're gonna throw out all the other stuff.
And we're going to let the best. play or play. And that to me is what sport Has always been. You know, I can use my situation in Arizona. They had drafted Matt.
He had played in 06. You know, and then you know, Ken Wisenhunt, when he came in, kind of opened up the job again and said, I understand the situation and I understand, you know, Matt probably, you know, is going to get the first reps and get the first opportunity, but We're going to open it up and let the best player. Win the job, and I was very skeptical because a lot of situations are dictated by a lot of those other things. You know, how high did we draft them? How much have we invested in them?
But he stuck true to his word and said, Kurt, you're the better player at this stage in your career. We're going to have you stars. And it, you know, that meant a lot to me, and obviously meant a lot to my career to be able to be inserted back into that situation. And so normally I would say you don't lose your job. Because of injury.
If you suffer a short-term injury and you were the guy before that that earned the job, you deserve the right to be placed back in there and, quote unquote, lose the job. Um, you know, in those situations, but I do believe at the end of the day, it's you know, sometimes we can make mistakes, and we have a guy in there that.
Okay, we think he's the best guy. And then the other guy gets in and we go, wow. This guy's showing us things that we didn't know he had. And this guy's doing things that we didn't expect. Um, you know, kind of like the Tom Brady, uh, Drew Bledsoe thing.
And it's like, hey, we think we've got something special here. We got to stay with this guy. And obviously that was, you know. Maybe the best look at a good decision in that kind of situation. All right, so I'm going to ask you a question, a type of question that I know you don't like to answer because I know you, but I'm going to ask it anyway because, you know, we go way back.
Week 11, Arizona hosts San Francisco. Your best guess as to who the starting quarterbacks in week 11 are going to be? Rock Purdy and Kyler Murray, if they're healthy. I believe Brock is a difference maker. For that team, and I don't think he gets enough respect for some of the things that he does in that offense.
So I believe when he's healthy, he's inserted. Um with Kyler, I think A, they have committed to him. And I think they're still trying to figure out, is he our guy? Moving forward. And the only way to truly do that is to let it play out and put him back on the field and get as much of a body of work as you can to determine: okay, do we believe he's the guy for us?
um you know beyond this year or beyond what you know whenever We have to move forward with the contract issues. Or do we think we need to go a different direction that it's played out here in Arizona and we need to make another move? And so, although different, Situations, I think, with where the two teams are with their quarterbacks. I do believe when they're both healthy. they should be reinserted and move forward from there.
If Jacoby Brissette. Good old Jake Brisket. Goes up. to Seattle and wins that game to bring it to four and five, do you think? If Kyler's healthy, we see him at home against San Francisco the next week.
I mean, it's not an easy situation, but I do think that that's the case. And I love Jacoby. You know, I think he is. you know, one of the few backup quarterbacks. you know, use that term, backup quarterbacks in the league that has shown that they can be a starter and can be a starter.
In this league, and he's shown that when he's gone in, and I think that's another. actor That we have to look at really with both of these situations, right? A lot of times you've got a team that has a definitive starter. And then a definitive backup, you know, a guy that you look at as a backup that can come in and win a couple games for you and play well, but you don't see them as a long-term starter. Both of these situations have guys that have been starters in the National Football League.
I mean, we know that. You know, that they've played at an extremely high level. Mac Jones was a Pro Bowler at one point in time. And so both of these guys, you know, you're not just looking at it like a normal situation, you've got quality, quality. Backups there that are borderline starters in the National Football League, anyway.
So you shouldn't expect. A huge drop-off from your starter to these guys that we're talking about. Kurt Warner here on a Warner Wednesday on the Rich Eisen show: two guys hopping a flight to Germany. I'm looking at one of them. You're calling with Adam Amin this weekend, the Colts to the Falcons.
On NFL Network. Another guy is Sauce Gardner. Because he's now the Indianapolis Colts. You will be calling his first game. As a cult, what a surprise, what a blockbuster.
That was on Tuesday. Um how do you think SALS fits into what they do schematically for seven and two team. This is a pretty aggressive move. What do you got for me, Curtin? Yeah, huge move.
I mean, I think it lets you know where they feel they are as a. football team right now and moving forward to go get a young corner that's sown. Um, that he can play as well as anybody in the league. I think he fits into their scheme. I, and the thing about Sauce is that I think he can fit into different schemes because I think he's really good in.
Man-to-man coverage. You know, kind of what he was known for coming out of college.
So you can place him in those situations. I also feel like he's a guy that can play zone coverage and play with his eyes and his instincts. As well. And so I think he can fit really well into what they're doing. In Indy, they needed an uptick on defense.
Our offense has been great. Defense, especially in kind of past situations. Needed that uptick. And so I'm excited to see this. I don't know what it will look like on Sunday when a guy just gets there and fitting into the schemes.
And, you know, obviously on the other side, you know, Greg London had a huge game. It would be a great matchup, both kind of big, tall, long. players going going at it would be a great matchup for us. Then This game, uh, but you know, I've never gone through that where I've been traded in the middle of the season and you have to get up to speed and uh and figure out how you fit in and how much you can play, uh, you know, in the short term.
So, I'm excited to see. how that works, you know. Also, don't know a lot about defenses. If you go from one team to another and you say, hey, we're playing cover three, is it Basically, the same from one team to another, or are there a lot of nuances within it? But, you know, it'd be interesting to ask those questions over the next couple of days in our production meetings and then obviously see how it plays out on Sunday.
And let me ask you this one, Kurt Warner. If I had told you back in the summer when this deal with Micah Parsons is going down, right? If I told you that Jerry Jones could play could trade Micah Parsons, for Kenny Clark. Quinn and Williams. And a first-round draft choice.
Would you have made that trade? Because that's what's happening right now. Because he was able to flip his one two years from now because he's got one from Green Bay in his back pocket. And he got Quinnen Williams and Kenny Clark. You know, and obviously he flipped another two.
to the Jets for Quinnen. But this is the end result right now here as we know it. going into week 10 of this season. They are 3-5-1. partially 'cause Micah's not there to rush the passer.
So what do you think?
Now that we're I I think you know if you know a couple years from now if we see what that number one pick does and who that is um You know, I mean, you obviously got two really good layers. Um, you know, in Clark and Williams, I mean, obviously they're good football players without a doubt.
So. You've upbraided the interior, your defensive line, but you've also lost a guy that most of us feel is. A generational Hype player. Um and so Again, I think it's always hard for me to go, okay, it's a good move to. to let somebody go that is such a difference maker.
Like Um like Micah is. Uh, you know, I remember when I was in Arizona and uh, you know, played with Aquan Bolden. And There was always talk about him leaving. And obviously, the year after I retired, they sent him on his way to another place. And it was always the talk about, well, he's not the most talented guy, doesn't run the fastest, all of these things.
And all I thought every time I heard it was like. You guys don't get it. I mean, this guy is a great football player. He brings things to the table that I don't care if you get somebody faster or that fits your mold more, they will not be Antoine Bolden. They won't bring to the table what he does.
But too many people miss that.
Now, I'm not sure that they miss that necessarily with Micah because you see it. But my point being is that These guys that are great football players. Change the complexion of everything. four-year football team. How you play, what you believe.
You know, when the game's on the line, you've got a guy that you know you can go to in those situations and will make that play, will be that difference maker for you. And so, Those guys, I don't think, can ever be overvalued, but I think a lot of teams do. They think they're overvalued because whatever, we can get two guys, we can get a first-round pick. But what they do is special and different. I just, you know, to me, I don't know if you ever win.
And again, we can see what that first round pick is they get in a couple years. But, you know, Clark and Williams are good players, they're not Michael Parsons. And so to me, you don't win unless you find a way to replace. That difference-making piece that Micah Parsons brings to the table, even though they had a lot of other issues. That difference-making piece is what this game is all about.
At the end of the day, there's a lot of parity in this league. What separates the great teams from everybody else are having enough of those kind of players that in the moment make the play, that are difference making plays. Um You know, and that's what it's all about. And so it's hard, I'm hard pressed to think that the Dallas has won this trade, you know, this trade battle that they've been on by letting Micah Parsons walk out the door. All right, Nia, a minute and a half.
I have left the usual segment ender with you, grinding all the all 22 you do for QP, QB confidential. Everybody should. Subscribe to it on YouTube. The guy who looked the best. On film this past week.
I'm going to stay in the NFC West. Um, and I'm going to give you actually two guys, but if I had to pick one, I'm going to go Sam Darnold. I mean, how you go 16 for 16 in the first half, winging it down the field, four touchdowns, 2-1, almost, I think, 300 yards in the first half of that game. I mean, he was incredible. I mean, he played a great football game, continued on with what he's done all year.
And then we could go, you know, to the team in L.A. with Matthew Stafford, who continues to. lighted up as well he's playing great football we saw five touchdowns in London. He had four more this past weekend.
Well, I think I heard 21 or 22 touchdowns to just two interceptions at this point. I mean, it's. That's ridiculous. And we were talking about MVP candidates on our show on Sunday, and we didn't even have this guy on the board. And this guy's right smack dab in the middle of.
The MVP conversation, in my opinion.
So those were the two guys that jumped off the page or off the film this weekend.
Well, 21 touchdowns to the first eight games of the season, third most all-time for the Rams, second behind his 2021 season. But three behind who threw 24 in his first eight games of the 1999 season as the quarterback of the St. Louis Rams. We did that. Three.
That'd be you, Kurt Warner. That'd be you. I love tuning your horn because you'll never do it yourself.
Well, thank you. You're the best. Have a safe journey to Germany. Look forward to hearing your call, and then I'll see you back the following week. All right, buddy.
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So, um I have to say this carefully and quickly, so don't interrupt. All right. You remember, Chris, we were role-playing? About Howie Roseman taking phone calls. I was waiting for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a front-load you. Doing a that's what she said joke. My mic was muted.
Okay, good. Sure.
Okay. Okay. Is that the way to make sure you stay out as you turn your microphone off? It's like, hey, that's right. It's not optimum.
I mean, I'd like to hear from you.
Well, sometimes I can't control myself. Understood. But you remember whenever we were saying, hey, A.J. Brown's available, he wants out and all that. And you were like a GM and I was like Howie Roseman, and I'm like, you're like, hey, you know.
I pretended to be a GM from the Northeast.
Okay, and I basically said GTF08. Pretty much. Uh yeah, so that was in the although apparently was that who told us that was it Prelicera told us Mickey Loomis just hangs up on people when they bring up names that he has no intention creating. Hello? Do you hang up on people when you're the cup of Chimara?
It's like Alvin Cook. Chris own uh hello? What? Chris hello hello? All right.
Sure enough, A.J. Brown's still an eagle. Shock the world. Howie Roseman. Talked about that.
I think that when you're trying to be a great team, it's hard to trade great players. And AJ Brown's a great player. He wears the C for a reason. He's an important part of this team. Of this organization.
He cares about winning. He cares about his teammates. And, you know, I think that when you're a team like ours that is looking forward to an opportunity to compete for a championship, you just don't get rid of the guys like that. And so I feel very lucky to have him on our team and excited about the second half of the season with him. Isn't that an amazing concept?
When you have, how about this?
Sometimes, you know, caps are confusing and trade charts are confusing, drafts are a very confusing job. Uh when you're mana when you're generally managing, it could be generally confusing. You know? Um but sometimes it's just You should just manage. In general.
When you have great players. And you want to be great. as a team. You don't trade Great players. No.
You know what I mean? I wouldn't recommend that, no. It's it's amazing.
Sometime. What a concept. What a concept. What a concept. All right, so let's just put it this way: you want to be great there, all right?
And your team collectively wishes to be great for collectively a franchise that wishes to be great.
So what you should do is get players who are great. and hold on to the great players. Yep, yep.
Okay. In general. That's how you should manage. And then call up the dolphins and say, how about a three for your Arguably best pass rusher. How about I'll get Jair Alexander for nothing, even though he hasn't done much for the Ravens or, as you know, the Packers?
And some of the final throws of his time there. That a And Ravens fans are like freaking out. We didn't do anything. Bills fans, we didn't do anything. Patriots didn't do anything.
Patriots didn't do anything. Patriots traded away people. We got rid of it. We don't need all these people. We don't need these people.
And the Eagles are like. That's what we're going to do. We'll take your best or some of the best and we'll get it at a bargain spot and we'll see how it goes. Because if it doesn't go well, we've got other people to kind of handle it. You see the phone ring, it says Howie Rosemary, and then you hang up.
Don't answer it. Don't answer it. Don't answer it. Great idea. Great idea.
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