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This is the Rich Eisen Show. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. I think Caleb's got a ways to go. We want to throw it out of this set. The ball's going to be picked off.
They're just trying to overload him with everything to try to speed up his process. And the plan is from here then to start to narrow that down. Earlier on the show, hosted Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio. Coming up, four-time NBA champion John Sally. Plus, your phone calls, latest news, and more.
And now. It's Rich Eisen. That's right. Hour number three of the Rich Eising show is on the air. I mean, what a show so far, right?
I mean, it feels like that Jimmy V speech. From years ago, laugh, cry, you live a full day, right? Oh, a full day. That's a hell of a day. Everything going on in New York City.
That's how we started the show with my colleagues. at uh the National Football League headquarters. Dealing with the aftermath of what happened at 345 Park Avenue. Yesterday, Jim Jeff Garland just came on the program and Was brought to tears recalling his beloved Ryan Sandberg, who passed away at the age of 65 yesterday in between. A lot of football conversation.
With Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, and you at 844-204-Rich. Number Dial John Spider Sally is going to be strolling through that door. And hang with us in our number three of this program in support of Sports Gone Wrong. which airs Wednesdays at 9 Eastern on Vice TV. Um it's all about uh blending a comedic commentary with archival footage.
to delve into the most absurd, unexpected, and bizarre moments in sports. Maybe that includes the ball thrown directly down the middle in Baltimore last night that was called a ball. Anybody catch that one? I missed that. You know, if I could, you guys see that one?
I did. You could speak on whatever the Ryan Sandberg thing. You know, when I texted you guys yesterday, it kind of hit me because, you know, when I was a kid, I got a job in the summer at Three River Stadium in Pittsburgh one summer as a security guard. And I can just remember, I think it was like a four-game series that the Cubs and the Pirates played one another. And my job, you know, I'm 17.
I'm like a kid. What am I going to do? But I would walk the players from the clubhouse to the bus, maybe 50 yards, but. For three nights in a row, I found myself standing in the middle of Andre Dawson and Ryan Sandberg walking those two to the bus. And, you know, I can't really remember what the conversation was, what they were telling, like a little knucklehead me, but you always kind of remember how people make you feel.
And I always remember at that moment, like, I was like, this is Andre Dawson and Ryan Sandberg. And I thought, I felt like the coolest dude in the world walking these two. And they were, you know, very cordial, very nice to me. But I remember it was three consecutive days and, you know, the hey, how you doing? Very small talk.
But, you know, that thing that I just said, people will remember how you made them feel. And all of these years later, I always remember that those two dudes just made me feel good. Little things, man, right? Right? Yeah.
And plus, I'm sure you made a lasting impression on them. Not in the least. Not in the least. I'll never forget the time you drove me 50 feet for the Dan Patrick show in the rain in New Orleans. No recollection of that until I remember mine.
How would I forget that? That was me. How would I forget that? You picked me up at the convention center. No, I dropped you off.
Okay. If you believe me.
So you took me from the set to the convention center, which, you know, would have been just a two-minute walk, but it was pouring. It was like Noah was protecting my delicate self. Noah was getting the ark ready. It was raining that hard. I mean, if without you, and if you didn't take me in that lift.
I might have caught cold in the air conditioning of the New Orleans Convention Center. Most likely, so you can thank me for this.
So being here, I just did. You made a lasting impression.
Well, I mean, now you're being a little sarcastic. As the kingdom sarcasm, I pick up on these things a little bit. He is sarcastic. You are TJ. The owner of the Cleveland Browns.
Jimmy Haslam met with the media today. Lots to talk about there, you know, with a new stadium there and. Um, conversation about say, what would you say? By the way, I believe it's D with him as well as. His wife?
Um The whole idea that they've got four quarterbacks there and A lot of people thought the reason why they drafted Shador Sanders is.
Somebody gave the general manager, Andrew Berry, a little swift kick in the back of his chair: like, hey, there's a son of Dion that's out there right now that's of great value because. We're one of the many teams that created that value by not drafting him before and taking another quarterback and Dylan Gabriel and Silas. For instance, for instance. And in fact, he was asked. about the drafting of Shador Sanders today.
Here's the answer. Yeah, listen. We have good process, okay? And Um If you'd have told me Let's see, we picked him on Saturday, right? Friday night driving home, y'all are going to pick Shadur.
I would say that that's not happening, but. Um We had a conversation early that morning, and then we had a conversation later that day. I think we had the right people involved in the conversation. At the end of the day, that's Andrew Berry's call. Andrew made the call to pick Shadur.
Just like who's going to start or what play we're going to call is Kevin's call, but that's Andrew's call. He made the call.
Okay. My only pushback again is I'm a PR guy, right? I would have chosen the word choice, not call. It's Andrew Ballet, so did he? He's the one who.
He called Shador, right? 'Cause you told him to call him.
Okay. That's an answer people could give. Ha ha ha. It's his choice. It was his choice.
It was his decision, right? These are words. Not like it's his call. You know what I mean? Because people called Shadur.
We all know a lot of people called Shadur. People who weren't to go down that road. Yeah. Because it It makes no sense if the general manager's decision is to draft two quarterbacks in the same draft after you drafted one while you're drafting another. You know, certainly since it's that guy that you didn't want in the third round, he's there in the fifth.
At any rate. There's your answer. Yeah, I by the way I'm having a little bit of fun here. I do believe it was Andrew Berry's call. Decision, choice.
Don't you, TJ? I have no idea. You have to make a choice here. It's your decision, whatever, Jimmy. It's your choice.
It's your call. Do you think that was the case? No. I know your answer. Yeah.
Clear as day. I think it was Andrew Berry's choice. Just because he looked like he needed to blink twice and hold up the day's newspaper when he was making it. Honestly, every draft choice, every draft choice in every draft room sparks like a. Like a birth of a child.
Hey, here's a cigar. You want a cigar? Shake hands. That's right. 70 crown.
Who's drafted Brock Purdy? Six hounds. We just drafted the top right. Hug it out. Hey, hey, hey.
They drafted Shador Sanders. They were like.
Okay. That's another reason why people are thinking this. But I do believe it was Andrew Berry's choice. I do. Call me naive.
Don't. Shut up.
So, what are you saying, Brian? It was. Of course, he made the call. They had already taken a quarterback in the third round. Why would they take another one?
So you saying it was Haslam? Yeah, of course.
Well, speaking of drafting quarterbacks that Jimmy Haslam certainly can't give a straight answer to, for sure. Yeah. Can you believe somebody brought up Arch Manning to him? Yes. Yeah.
Yeah, I couldn't believe that. What's the point? It's Art Rich S-Z-N. We've seen her play like three games. Is this a Colin Coward thing?
He's the one that started the whole, like, well, I hear Nick Sabin and Arch in Cleveland next year. Yeah, Arch is going to leave Texas. Yeah. And Nick's going to leave ESPN. But no, but Collins specifically said for Cleveland.
I understand. Like they're the spot. Arch is going to leave Texas. And then Nick's gonna leave ESPN once. Arch is in the once what Cleveland's already gotten the first overall pick.
Let's go through the logic of this when we, after hearing the way. Jimmy Haslam responded to being asked about drafting Arch Manning, and they're not even at a July training camp the season prior yet. Jimmy, the season hasn't even started yet and the Browns are you already being linked to Arch Manning. Did you have a comment about the buzz special buzz if the season goes to Columbus?
Well, Tony, you know you're in the business. That's pretty gross, huh? You get paid by how many hits you get, okay? And I think if you know the Manning family, I would bet that, and I don't know Arch at all, okay? I bet he stays in college two years, so I don't even think that's worth discussing.
Okay. And another thing, Vonnegut. Can I? By the way, the look on his face when he was asked about Arch Manning being a link to his franchise, he was kind of like, wait. Yeah.
He kind of looked like somebody who keeps Hearing about the Epstein list. Are we still talking about that? You know what I mean? Where are we still talking about? Guys, the answer should have been, again.
Jimmy, I'm here for you, bro. I just called an Arias Consulting. One of the 32 bosses. One of my 33 bosses. All right, bro.
Listen, sir. If you will. We can edit it. All right. Listen.
No. Don't worry about it. We're good. He Sir, if I might. Here's your answer to that question.
You want to ask me that question? The same way, yeah. Yes, please. Jimmy, what do you think about Arch Manning? I'm Rich.
Sorry. Oh, hey, Rich. What do you think about Arch Manning possibly being available for you guys next year? We are not going to have the first overall pick in this year's draft. I believe in our roster.
I believe in our coaches. I believe in the quarterback room we currently have. If Arch does decide to come out, and I know the Manning family, I don't know Arch very well. But I think he's going to play two years in Texas. That said.
I know he's that good enough. For what I hear. that he'd be First overall pick. Talent And we're not going to have the first overall pick in next year's draft.
Next question. That's a good answer. I like that. That's both on. I would have handled it.
And RES Consulting is here for you. But i in all honesty though Here's how this would have to go. Let's just extrapolate it out. Let's, please. You would have to go where Arch.
Wins it all? Natty, Heisny. To the point where they're, and it's so good, fully developed, so fully developed that even the Manning family would have to say. There's nothing else for him to do at this level. There's no more learning.
TJ Jefferson's rookie card is going to get him a boat. Fucking weird. That card right there. High school card, yeah. It's going to get him something bigger.
Next to Del Tufo's boat in the marina. Yeah, Mike, you're going to lose it. All right, that's how that season's going to have to go, right? Everybody got a basketball boat. It's already a dinghy compared to your boat.
While that's happening, boy, boy. Cleveland has an absolute, holy heck of a disastrous season. That they're first overall Could happen. That they're first overall. Oh my god.
Okay. That's it. And again, again, every single time, don't you remember? Don't you remember the photos associated with all those stories about Miles Garrett demanding a trade and him saying that the owner doesn't want to meet with me, right? And those, I told Jimmy Hassel, Jimmy, that's the other.
That was the last time you heard from RES Consulting. Don't make that face. Those are the faces that are going to get put on these stories that get. The hits. Right.
You get what I mean? Don't give people more hits. Or we kind of want the hits. I mean, I like hits.
So while all that's happening. Nick Saban's gonna have to get this itch. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Right? He's gonna have to get this itch. And he's got to scratch it. Got to. And all the wins that he's racking up.
Every Saturday. Sitting next to Pat. With Tens of thousands of kids behind them going nuts on one of the best studio shows. On the air. And he's gonna say, you know what?
Okay. I'm taking Miss Terry to Berea. It's the Driving Miss Daisy sequel, I think. Yeah. Something along the line.
Miss Terry goes to Berea. And all of that's got to play out. For this to be a He's been linked to your organization. That's how it's all got to play out, right? Yeah.
Because The Mannings We have seen Do have a plan sometimes to Get A member of their family drafted by the organization that they're satisfied him being drafted to. Yes, that's a delicate way of putting that. Yeah. With a dangling participle at the end, which I wish it didn't do. That said.
If the Browns finished like 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th, they do have a pick in this year's draft. That belongs to Jacksonville that they could pair together next year and move up. Ooh, I guess. But there's others that can beat them to that punch. Yeah.
First overall, I'll be so much. has to go into play.
So I don't blame Jimmy for giving that look. Except for the fact It could stay that way. See, look at all this. The faces of Jimmy all look like he's just been absolutely hit in the face. That's the best.
That's the best. That's a meme. The four faces of Jimmy. The four faces of Jimmy. Jimmy's getting upset.
Yeah, don't. That sounds like a Bruce Leap flip. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh, faces of faces of Jimmy.
By the way, late contender for faces of late contender. Faces of Jimmy. The poor faces of Jimmy. Good avatars there. You just made the list.
That's our coverage of what's going on in Browns Camp. Thank you so much. All right, let's take a break. John Sally is about to come out here. Spider Sally!
Spider-Man!
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You are part of this among the voices from the world of sports and comedy who leads Lens Comedy to some of the more wild moments in sports. Let's take a look. You should throw this in the trash, like Mike. This is, this was bad. No, no, I take it back.
I wouldn't have bought this. This is horrible.
Now I remember this, this is what fourth period gym class smelled like with all my 12 year old friends. I love my dis Um Now it's on my fingers. You smell it? What do the Jordan cologne smell like? I am six.
I like it. It smelled like Bijon, but you know, because Bijon made it, and it didn't have the notes. That I liked. It didn't have the musk. It didn't have the oud.
It didn't have the right smell. It smelled, like he said, like you were a teenager trying to impress a girl. I love it. This has tones of like the I love the 80s and 90s VH1 show that I used to be part of. That's exactly what I'm saying.
You bring stuff back from the day and you just comment and you just let it rip. I know. And, you know, I loved it. They said it. I went and shot it.
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One of the individuals part of this fun program every single week. Is the only guy who's a four-time NBA champion who played on the Bad Boys Pistons, who appeared in both Bad Boys movies. One and two, ladies and gentlemen, with John's hand. One, two, and four. Did you in four?
Don't worry. Were you in the four? Were you in the four? I wasn't in three. And I was sitting, you know, Will, I don't know.
Will had us go up to Soho Malibu and we had a private screening. And then after I went and sat next to him, and he goes, What, Sal? I go, it would have been better with me in it. Bad boys three. Bad boys three, which was the highest grossing.
Well, until 4 came out and did a billion dollars. Did I tell you I was in a billion-dollar movie called Bad Boys 4? Let's start with this one. What was it like shooting Bad Boys, the original? Like with the guys in the original?
The crazy thing was, I say it all the time. I went to visit Martin. I said something that pissed him off, but I still went up to set with him. And he was cursing me out all the way up to set. And he was like, you know, you got to get a filter, Sal.
I was like, I don't know what a filter is. And I heard the director yelling and screaming. And I said, who's that? He said, the young director. And I said, who's that over there making all that noise?
He was like, who? And it was Michael Bay, and he directed my Nike commercial. When I wore a Nike. And he's like, he's funny. We got to put him in a movie.
And Martin's like, you're the director. And walked away. And a couple of weeks later, he was like, I got a role for you. And that's how you got in Bad Boys? That's how I got in Bad Boys, being at the right place at the right time and taking acting classes when you don't know if you're ever going to get a job.
But if that's what you want to do, you got to practice your craft.
So I went in and I knew. I was going to play this role. And they handed me the glasses, which I now have to wear. But they handed me the glasses. They said, handcuff him, cut his sleeves.
And it was like, it's just a scene with you, Martin, and Will. And, you know, people don't think that I know what that meant. I was like, oh, I'm with the principals. Yes. Yeah.
And I get to say words. You're kidding me.
So it was. How many takes? One take. One take. Well, seeing you, Will Smith, and Martin Lawrence, one take.
The reason I say that is they shoot it. Close. Yes. Why? Sure.
Will's point of view that, like, he moved the camera and then he said, I'm going to do a reveal that's going to. Kill everybody. And it was me standing up and looking down on Martin. It's a scene that has been in everyone, and especially in the last one, because Martin and I are still going back and forth at it.
So I love Martin for that. I love Michael Bay for putting me in. And Will's always had my back.
So, you know, it was just a blessing to be there. When'd you meet Martin Lawrence? When did that happen? 1980.
Okay. All right. And so now you're in the NBA now, right? I'm in the NBA. I want to do comedy.
So while everybody else is going to. The strip club and to the steakhouse. I'm going to comedy. One and the same. Yeah.
Magic City is having their anniversary, 40th anniversary.
So I literally said, This is the deal. I'm going to all these comedy places. And then I'm seeing Martin, and he's a big basketball fan. Yes. And I'm a big comedy fan.
And it's, you know, I walked in. It was the Comedy Act Theater here in LeMert Park. And, you know, I used to think I was so fly with my custom-made shit. And I had a pink. Uh shirt and pant made.
Okay. And I rented a Rolls Royce right here by the airport. And I'm driving in the hood because I know no better. And I'm by myself. And I walk in, and Robin Harris says, look at that tall bottle of Pepto-Bismo.
And I walked back out, got in the car, came back to Century City, threw that in the trash, put on my t-shirt, jeans, and sneakers, and went back. But I was always wanting to do comedy.
So if you want to do it, you got to hang around it.
So I'm at the comedy store. I'm at the Laugh Factory. I'm at the Improv. I'm everywhere. And then Martin and I, you know, got really good.
Arsenio Hall literally took me. I gave him my tickets in 1988. What's up, Arsenio? I miss Arsenio. I don't get to talk to him.
But he took me around. He introduced me to Sam Kennison. He took me to Ladone. Come on. Yeah, he took me and I met Wilt Chamberlain that night.
What? Yeah, met Will Chamberlain, hit me in my stomach. What? Wolf had this thing. He was like, take a picture of him.
You're standing there. I was told. Do not loosen up around Wilt. He will try you somehow. And so I'm sitting there, and then it hit me in my stomach.
He was like, oh, you got good core. And I was like, oh. Yeah, you know, but so where'd you come up to on Wilt? I I literally it was about Two to three inches taller than me.
Okay. Not as sexy, but as tall. And, you know, people don't realize, like, when you're a pro, you know, a lot of guys go around and act cool. Man, I would let you know. Man, you're Will Chamberlain.
No, my boy. I saw Kareem, and Kareem didn't talk to me. That sounds like on-brand. Yeah, it sounds like he had nothing to say. He talked to my brother Ron, but he like, I don't talk to rookies.
So, you know, I just was in the mix and. I got, you know, I knew Eddie and Arsenio, and then you get to know Martin, and then Martin started taking off. And Eddie's the opposite. Eddie Murphy.
Sorry, Martin. No, I know that. It's just a few people that you can refer to with just one name. But I just wanted to make sure that we were talking about the one in the same. The one in the same.
As opposed to the movie, Eddie, that you were in. Which was a great movie. And I should have been nominated. I said, you got three Emmys in there. And I should have at least.
Had a, you know, I don't know. I I just love Whoopee Goldberg and she was so she would she would whisper things.
So, and she would say, Hey, don't act, be. And I was like, got it. You know, be the character. And, you know, I got to be the character in that wonderful movie, Eddie. Everybody go see it.
It's when Whoopi Goldberg takes over as the head coach of the Knicks, which might happen. By the way, I wrote they knocked on her door once the view for permission to interview her because they knocked on so many people's doors. Yeah, they should. I would love to coach the Knicks just to have. Talk to the media after.
You would be great at it. I know that. You would definitely get some headlines. I know it. For sure.
I'm trying to get back in, man. I auditioned to NBC. I got on the phone, my wonderful agent, Babette Perry. She set up a call. I said, Yeah, I want to go back to NBC.
I want to work back in television. I think we need to give a different look or we need to give a perspective that. You know, I have at Watching it for so long and how much I train. But they gave the job to Brad Darty and Tracy McGrady this morning. Good for those guys.
I'm very happy for them. You literally just found this out. Yeah, I found it out. And at first, my cousin Mike, Mike Odom, he down in there. He tells me when people die, he tells me he's the black part of the news.
So I get all of that. Oh, yeah. How do you think Jordan's going to be as an analyst? What do you think? It's going to be a lot of, yo, that boy sucks.
Man, I don't know how to pay that guy. I wouldn't have paid him. You're going to get a lot of joy. Because now. You know what he says in the.
Oh, he's 62 now. He's going to tell you what he thinks. I'm sure of that. But his perspective is. From a killer.
So it's going to be really, really good. And you know what? You can tell when somebody's dogging it. Not as well as Michael. Michael can tell, and I think he's going to give.
I think it's going to be, you know, at points. I don't think he's going to be constant every day. The suggestion I gave to somebody at NBC, and I don't know if they're going to take this suggestion. Just hire John Sally.
Well, I can do that. I didn't know you were interested at the time when I had an audience with somebody in NBC management a few months ago. I said you should do a segment with Jordan where somebody, as you know, Like the Shaqed in a Fool segment, right? Right. Where they Shaq responds to somebody doing something silly, because inevitably somebody will say something silly.
They put it on an iPad and hand it to him like they did back in the day for the last dance. And because you never. wanted to be on the iPad. Hand it to Michael Jordan. No, because that is the last place you wanted to be.
It's like, did you hear what this person had to say, Mike? roll tape and he would read it he would look at this thing and he'd react That's what they should do. Whenever they have Michael Jordan, don't tell him what's on the iPad, hand it to him, and let him go. You can't be giving away, and I said that ebonically on purpose. You can't be giving away your goods, man.
You know what? But I'm a giver. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? I'm a giver.
I'm a giver. I mean, if Jordan had an exclusive deal with the Rich Isen Show, one, I wouldn't have given away two. Are you giving those away? No, two. Two, I wouldn't be able to afford anything else around here.
I know. You guys would be done. Yeah. We'd be gone. But I'm happy to have you on talking hoops as much as you want.
And whenever you want to go on vacation again because you don't feel like working and you want me to host, I am available. You did that? Yes. Twice. That's right.
Ready to have you back. I know. These guys carried me too. You know, they don't answer my text. Three hours.
DJ. Just text me in three years. What was that? What was that? Did you not respond to a text?
Just text me in at least three years. I'll look. Matter of fact, I am going to look. What's the last five minutes? I am going to look at it.
By the way, in the last five minutes, is there more truth being told here on this show than in any other five-minute period in recent days? That's happening right here. And you know, I got Roku. I started watching Roku.
Well, you should. I did. Now, this is funny. I started watching it. And then I was like, oh, Rich is on Broku now.
All right. But I saw a show with my boy Omar, Omar, who designed shoes. Like, he's an unbelievable designer. He designed the duck boot. And Keanu Reeves has like this documentary with his partner.
And I was locked in. And so I was like, man, I got to talk to the powers that be. Yeah, I got a show called Be and John Sally. Because I think it's funny. My life is hilarious.
I laugh all the time. I did a show with my producing partner, Garrett Bass. And I went to all the cities. that I played in but wasn't allowed to go out.
So I started in Portland and I did all the things that People would do that a professional has. We go to the cities, and I can tell you. My teammates can tell you where every Ruth Chris is, every P.F. Changs. And and where Um You help girls get through college.
They can tell you all those places. Yeah, but important. Is this your pitch right now? We might have to drop the pitch a little bit. This is where you go to reinvest in the community.
Reinvest your funds into the community. And help those with daddy issues. Because I'm a good dad, too. He's the best dad ever. I'm the greatest dad ever.
This means something vastly different from what we're putting down right now. There's dad and daddy. Dad, and there's daddy. I mean, daddy. Yeah, right.
You're not local. We can say stuff. We're on the radio, too, but it's okay. And they laugh. They laugh.
They're in the cars. Actually, somebody's on the phone line for you right now. Oh, really? Jason in Phoenix, Arizona, has got a question for John Salon. We haven't done this often, right?
But Jason, are you there? Yes, I'm here. Thank you. Okay, John Sally is on the program. Again, Sports Gone Wrong airs Wednesday's non-Eastern on Vice TV.
What's your question for John Sally, Jason, in Phoenix? John, it's a pleasure. I'm a Detroit native. You guys. Made my life as a 13-year-old like the best it could possibly be.
Oh, bless her. Um, um. I wanna know. uh as a bad boy, uh what it was like After MJ. Do you guys under the bus of the Tribune in ninety one?
After shaking your hand, And then said that y'all were bat champions, back for basketball, this and that. But then to later. get recruited by not only you, uh Buddha and uh Rodman. And then to go play with them after that. What was that like?
Was that awkward at all? Did y'all have to make an agreement? Like, hey, just don't say nothing about that. Good question. Jason is Phoenix.
Jason, I thought you were going to say, I already took the opportunity to ask, you are not my son. Nice son. But no, what I let me just say this: we don't get recruited. We this is a job for us. Going to Chicago.
I was supposed to be a Chicago Bull first. At least that what Jerry Kross told me to my three meetings as a high school. You talk about draft. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to draft you. And Doug Collins is like, yeah.
And I went and I hung out with Reinstoff, who I still am really cool with because I do an event with him in Vegas. And. I went three times. And they said the ninth pick. The Chicago Bulls, and I started buttoning my suit.
They said, Brad. And then I stretched. I was like, and I was like, and so I told Jerry: goes, hey, long tall, I had, he shoots. The ball better than you do. I said, no, he doesn't.
He goes, I said, well, I'm going to take it out on him every time I play. And did you? Oh, yeah. And Brad Sellers is a good guy to me, but he didn't know what my idea was. My idea was, I'm going to, I'm playing against you.
I'm glad we won some of those games, but I was on a personal vendetta against him, Boston Celtics. Who else? Washington Bullets, Philadelphia 76ers, like certain places that had me come in and didn't draft me. I went at him. But to go back to his question.
When I got out of my deal in Toronto, and this may be controversial the way I say it, I was the only free slave in the NBA. And what I mean by that is I bought my rights back.
So I had my waivers and I can choose where I wanted to go. And when Jerry Krause called, I said yes. And James Edwards Buddha was already there, and Dennis was. Dennis is Dennis taking over at that spot. We went in, and for everybody out there, the NBA is like IBM.
You play in the Los Angeles office or you play in the Chicago office.
So I was in the NBA. I didn't, when I was young, I just said I wanted to be in the NBA. I wanted to be a Celtic because I was a Celtic fan. I love green and white. But.
The red, white, blue of Detroit was my colors.
Well, I mean, and you, and thanks for the call, Jason. I was in Michigan as a student when the bad boys were taken off. Mahorn. And Chuck Daly wearing those suits looking like John Gotti. And, you know, and Isaiah.
And Dumars was like one of the only likable guys for New York Knick fans sitting there in Detroit. You guys just started beating the crap out of people. Lambert, I despised with a passion. Really? Yeah, what do you mean, really?
What do you mean, really? Here's the true American. I give you the floor. He comes in, takes over. Probably, I had great teammates: Ralph Lewis, Chuck Nevitt.
Chuck Nevitt, Glenn Rice, Willie Burton, and Brian Shaw, Matt Geiger. I love these guys. But. Bill Ambeer was about the team and winning. It took me until I came to my second Satan return, that means 60, and it made me realize that Bill Ambeer.
Was the person who who carved and chiseled steel against steel and was like, You have all this talent, stop wasting it. That's what he told you? Yeah, he said, Hey, why do you miss foul shots? I said, What? He said, They're free and you can shoot.
Put the ball in the basket. Every basket. is worth $100,000 or $10,000. Man, I went from 68 to 79 to 80 because he would and he, you know, he didn't try to be my friend. He was the vet he was supposed to be.
I didn't like a lot of things he did. But You know, the proof is in the put. From the outside world, though, you know. That white or white crime got to stop. That white or white crime.
That's not what I'm saying. And he was. Yeah. No, he was a thief. I I just saw something um I did the Byron Scott podcast and I talked about Maurice Lucas.
Okay. Now, Maurice Lucas was filthy. Maurice Lucas was no joke. To this point, if I see Maurice Lucas now from over there and he doesn't smile at me, I'm not. I don't care if the dog's that way.
I'm taking the window. This is not a man that you joke with.
So Bill and Bear played the way they played. He didn't. He reached down at the ball. He boxed you out and he played every single moment. There was no lag in his game.
Well, there's somebody with an opposing point of view. Larry in French Lick, Indiana. You're on there. There you go.
Well, come on, man. Think about this. Were you on the court for that one? Yes, I was. What happened?
Um What happened is, what had happened, boys.
Well, this is the deal: if Bill Lambeer was on the Boston Celtics, he'd be. Heinzen.
Okay. Right. So he played like a Celtic. Like Grey Kite. He would be a Celtic.
He played hard. Whatever ability he had, he worked it. I'm telling you.
So, but what happened on the court then caused him to take down Larry, and Larry could throw a basketball at him.
Okay, so what happened is Larry punk faked Dennis. Dennis went up and his leg got caught on Larry and then Larry fell.
Okay. They both jumped. But He didn't care that Dennis's leg was wrapped around his neck. He cared that Bill Lambert was that close to him. And he went at Bill.
But. Bill didn't do anything that we don't do in basketball until Your Highness. I'm sorry. The Messiah of like, I'm sorry, Michael Jordan came into the league. And he wasn't allowed to hit, but everybody was getting hit.
hit, right?
So if a guard came into the lane, You know, they were laying wood on this. Was the bad boys era? Charles Oakley was the first one. But the bad boys were the Celtics. And it's funny because, what's his name?
James Worthy said that. They were so dirty. Danny Ainge was Danny Ainge and. Bill Lambiran won. He was like, people wanted to kill, to this day, people wanted to kill Danny Age.
Smart, good guy, but man, they wanted to go at him, including Ace Bailey for drafting him. But so when Larry threw the basketball. He was on, right? I mean, like, what happened then?
Well, he threw the basketball, and the referee said, Your Highness, you can't do that. Come on. And they didn't find him. They didn't tech him. Nothing.
They didn't tech him. No. No. This is the crazy thing. When Robert Parrish was beating up Bill, the referee was standing there watching it like the rest of us did not move until Bill was on the ground.
And Robert Parrish just got a technical foul and was allowed to sit down. I heard all of America was cheering at that time. 80s was different, man. Yeah, it was at a point. I remember when guys were going to fight.
I'm so happy I had to play against Bob Lanier. Bob Lanier was left-handed, so that means he was going to fight Southport. And you don't want to deal with that. You don't want to deal with somebody fighting Southport. Isn't that the line from Airplane?
Yes. Right. Kareem told the kid, you know, you try dragging Baltimore. I'm going to bust my butt every night up and down court. You tell your dad to try to drag Bob Lanier up and down.
Walton and Lanier. Walton and Lanier, yeah. One of the best lines. And was. He wasn't acting, he was being the character.
That's called full circle. John, you could come anytime you want. Why are you such a stranger here? Because it'll pay me. But besides, talk about it.
You know, I have habits I have to take care of. They're called family. Daughters always have their hand out. Wife is like, yeah, you know. I want another polite.
I want another reformer. Understood. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
Well, listen, it's great to see you. I mean, your stories go on for days. We can spend all three hours, which is why. Once upon a time, they gave this home. I'm going to NBC and say hire, brother.
Okay, I will do such a thing. I think you just did it anyway yourself. Sports gone wrong. Airs Wednesdays at 9 Eastern Time on Vice TV at the John Sally or at John Sally, depending on where you want to find this man online. Good to see you, sir.
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Amex Business Platinum. Built for business by American Express. When was the first time you met Jordan? When was the first time you met him, shook his hand, covered him, or something like that? Yeah, the first time I met him was at that Midsummer Night's Dream game out there in LA.
And we just said, you know, that was a time where guys was playing these all-star games during the summer, and it was a real game. You know, it wasn't like they were out there like globetrotters or something. They actually really were playing with egos involved.
So that was the first time I had met them then, and we just sort of met after the game, talked and exchanged phone numbers. And so the rest, in terms of how our relationship developed, it developed from that.
Well, I mean, if there's one thing that anybody learned from this documentary is that anything that Jordan ever played in wasn't just a regular game, right? I mean, there was a real, you know, that's one thing that I'm sure if anybody needed to be introduced to Jordan, and there's a whole generation that did, they just learned that. And I've asked this question of every single person who we've had on this show. Did you learn anything on the last dance on Agra Shad? No, I didn't.
Uh I didn't because I think, you know, it's like you said when you introduced me, I had a cat burger speak to all of it. And it was one of those uh different sort of I've never sort of been in a situation where I had sort of free access to the locker room. You know, to the training room, to their buses, to I was just there.
So I got a chance to see a lot of those things. But, you know, as a former athlete, I sort of knew about a lot of them too. I was glad that people got a chance to see the human side of Michael. And you see how much. How competitive he was and how demanding he was.
And I think what I take from that is: if you think Larry Bird wasn't like that, and if you think Magic Johnson wasn't like that, then you're not really thinking the right way.
So it wasn't just Michael that was just, you know, win at all costs, put your foot on the guy's neck kind of thing. All these guys were able to do that. But Michael, what separated him was his athletic ability was way above anybody's at that point. That was a moderate shot. I believe.
When we were on the air during COVID, One of the many reasons why I love you guys and love working here is we all stuck together, right? Oh, man. And we were all making decisions collectively as a team and whatever. Reason why I brought it up. But we.
We were covering the last dance week to week as if it was a major sporting event. Yeah, which is crazy. Right. So we had a lot of dance. Because everybody was like, that was when we kept everyone together, man.
Was the last dance. The episode would be on a Sunday. We would come on the air on a Monday, like we were covering the big event from the day before.
So we started, we realized that that's. The cadence of the sports world during that awful time.
So we we had what we had uh Judd Bushler on once, we had No, was it Will Perdue? BJ came in a few times. Right, and then we had a moderashot. Yeah. As well.
We were just trying to get somebody from that week's episode the day after the episode aired. And then I interviewed after the final episode of The Last Dance, I interviewed an old, old friend, which was my hair. Yeah. And when my kids, episode 10, is when I finally appeared as a sports interact, talking about Dennis Rodman not showing up because he was at the. Wrestling.
He was there. Yeah, that's right. Right? Yeah. He went to ACW Monday Nitro.
They popped me in there doing a lead-in on Sports Center about that. And my kids were just like. Ooh, who is that? Who is that man? Is that your brother?
No, he's equally as challenged. Methodically, sir. Brett in San Diego has been hanging on forever. He might have been the one who waved goodbye to Daniel Jeremiah on his trip about five hours ago. You there, Brett?
Yeah, I'm here. What's up? What's in your mind, sir? I just wanted to see what you thought of the Chargers this season, what their win-loss record is going to be.
Well, why don't you choose, Brett? We've got two minutes to go. Let's go. Win-loss game? Let's go.
All right, here we go. It starts in Brazil. What happens when the Chiefs. play the Chargers in Brazil.
So, I've only seen them beat them three times my entire fandom. And I might be going to this game. I think we lose. We lose.
Well, you can check it out on YouTube if you don't go to the game. All right, we only have about a minute and change to go, so let's whip through it at the Vegas Raiders on a Monday night, or what do you have? Oh yeah, we're beating them.
Alright, one and one home for the Broncos now. Two and one at the Giants. 3-1 home for the commanders. We're taking a loss there. Three and two at the Dolphins.
Beaten down. Four and two home for the Colts. Beating them. Five and two, you've got the Vikings and J.J. McCarthy from Team 144 with Jim coming into the house on a Thursday night.
Oh, we're in the superchargers that game. We beat them. Six and two at the Titans. Beating them. Seven and two home for the Steelers.
It's going to be loud in there. We're going to lose that one. Seven and three at the Jaguars. I think we beat them. Eight and three off the bye, home for the Raiders.
Yep, we're sweeping up. All right, nine and three home for the Eagles on a Monday night. Yep, I saw what happened to the Rams last season. I think we dropped that one. 9-4 at the Chiefs.
Beat them. Beat them in just a moment. Oh, 10-4 at the Cowboys. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
We're beating the Cowboys. Should have hired Jim. Should have hired him. 11-4, home for the Texans to try and avenge the playoff loss. Texans, I was at that wild card game.
I was sick as a dog. I think we get revenge. 12-4 at the Broncos. And yep, we're beating them. 13 and 4 says Brett in San Diego.
Thank you for the call. That's Brett in San Diego. Was he screen recording that conversation? I heard a little ding at the end. Did you hear that?
Yeah, perhaps. Or maybe that's just a 15-second warning that we're about to go off the air. Great show, everybody. Appreciate you taking it in. We'll be back to wrap it up on the Roku Sports Channel and Roku in a sec.
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