The Jim Jackson Show: Charles Oakley

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Please check me out. It's May 29th. Getting ready for some NBA Eastern Conference Finals coming up on Thursday. OKC has already set the table by beating Minnesota.

Indiana and New York have to kind of finish the bill. And it leads me into something different right now because it's going to be, you know, always talk about parity in the NBA and different teams. I think this is going to be the going to be the seventh team in the last seven years to win a title. And we haven't seen this kind of parity in the NBA since the 70s when that happened, when you had multiple teams win championships. But the question I have, too, because as we know sports and whether it's football, baseball, basketball, hockey is kind of like copycat league.

We hear that thrown thrown around all the time. And you can see it in basketball. Like when Golden State was really at the top, a lot of teams wanted to play like Golden State.

When Boston finally took the throne, it was like, do we need five guys that now can spread the floor, can shoot the three point shot, multiple playmakers. Now that, you know, Boston kind of lost in first round and it didn't move forward, we're going to have two new teams. OK, it looks like it may be Indiana and it may be Oklahoma City, two teams that have built.

And again, I'm saying maybe we don't know. New York still has an outside chance. Let's say it is those two teams and one eventual winner comes out of that, you know, at Tucson. But they've done things the right way via the draft, via free agency, how they spent their money, how they develop players and how they actually integrated defense with pace and space, with rebounding and shooting. So now the question is, does the league try to mimic what they see with OKC and Indiana? And meaning so that instead of playing eight players, now you're playing nine to 10 players throughout the course of the season. So they're ready to play when it comes to the playoffs.

You don't have a drop off. OK, you have these interchangeable parts, but it also gives you, I think, a lot of security for the future, because by developing young players and playing young players, you're going to have some leakage. You're going to have some some men who leave your team to a different team, whether that's the money, whether that's a free agency or some trades.

But yet in the stable, you have some young guys that you've been playing and prepared that can kind of step in and maybe not take the person's place fully, but you feel confident that they can come in and you don't miss a step. So what I'm saying is it's going to be very interesting to kind of watch the transition over this summer, because a lot of teams have questions. Milwaukee has questions. The Lakers have questions. Boston has questions. You know, you can go down the line of the teams that thought they were going to contend this year. Denver has questions on where they go next year. What pieces do they need to add in order to kind of get back to the top and compete for another title?

These things are going to happen over the summer. And that's the beauty about the league is one thing is constant. That's change. And we see it a lot. And a lot of time is triggered by who's ever at the top, who's ever winning. And they have a formula. A lot of teams try to duplicate it. Now, it's not as easy as just going out and finding some pieces to the puzzle and say, OK, we want to play fast. We want to get up and down. You've got to have the right guys for that. And that's where management, your scouts, your GM come in and figure out ways in this analytic world.

And I say this all the time. Analytics drives a lot of the narrative. But one thing analytics can't do, analytics can't predict where the two players, three players, four players get along.

The numbers may say that they work together, but analytics can't tell you personality. And that's where you need the eye of the GM, the coach, management, ownership that brings us together. And I think that's what you see with OKC. And that's what you see with Indiana. Again, we don't know what's going to happen on Thursday. Hopefully New York can extend this and take it to seven games and we got a nail biter because it may be New York in it.

We've seen some crazier things. But I say that anyway because Indiana has set the table along with OKC. I think what we're going to see in the future as teams start to rebuild their rosters and want to play a different way. And if they can do that, I think these two teams will be a catalyst. So what I want you to do is enjoy the game on Thursday and we'll figure some things out after that. After that series is over with and kind of circle back to this question about what teams do. But while we're here to today, I got a special guest from Cleveland, Ohio.

My old head took care of me when I first got in the league. Mr. Charles Oakley is going to join us and drop some gems for us. So stay tuned. Welcome to AutoZone.

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Plus, he's a Cleveland, Ohio native and Ohio guys tend to stick together. Welcome in Charles Oakley, my old head. O.G., what's up, my man? You guys, Jim. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for coming on. And before I get into basketball, man, you travel everywhere. Now, you just said you just came back from from Vegas, but I know you ain't drive to Vegas. If I had extra time, maybe one day I'm going to drive to Vegas from the east side.

From the east side? No, I'm just saying from east to the west coast. That's a good drive.

That's at least 24, 28 hours. So why is it that you prefer when you travel to drive more so than fly? Sometimes when you got spare time, you want to drive. You got to get there by that way. You got to fly. But drive is relaxing.

You know, I've been driving all my life. I like short trips. Five, six hours. I love them trips.

You know, 10, 12 hours. They get more important because you got more of a road to travel. But I just I just like driving because my parents did that when I was younger from Alabama to Cleveland in like 11, 12 hours back and forth. So that would get in my head and that would stay with me. You always on the road. Speaking on the road, you're saying you're heading back east in a little bit in Game 5 tonight.

The Knicks, of course, your association with them is a couple of things that I want to get into that. But more so about the game. First of all, with this next team, as you watch them play and you look at Game 5, is it something else that they can do to close out these games where they have fallen short? Because it's not like they've been blown out. You know, I know it was a little bit more the last game, but usually it came down to other three games, came down to one possession. What else can Thebbs do to kind of close it out, especially at home? Well, I think that at home is a little more distraction going on at the Garden right now. And I think they got more focus on what's on the floor, not what's on the sideline for the fans.

And I think that can turn you some time. But they've been playing they style. But I think on defense, they just got to step up and hold itself more accountable. Everybody just got to be zoned in, knowing that the Pacers want to do a lot of dribble handoffs and fast break, get the ball out and push up the court. So they just got to stay focused on 48 minutes. And I think they should get a victory tonight. You know, the narrative, too, is that it's the Knicks offense is stagnant because Jalen Brunson kind of dominates the basketball.

Thoughts on that? And do you think Katz should be more involved in the offense early in the game? Like kind of like he was in Game four and the kind of went away from a little bit with him isolating on the perimeter? I think they should let George Hart run some offense. I think they need to run some some pick across some screen on the side.

Everything they do is based up, up in the front. Free throw line extended. I think they need a little heart to run the offense.

Bring Brunson off a pick down. Him and Kat can play a two man game. I think they need to get more in the post. Make the Pacers work more. They're bailing them out by taking a lot of outside jumpers. And the Knicks are getting the 50-50 ball like they was. You know, there's a team that really had the energy. They don't have the energy it seemed like they had before.

I don't know why, because the Pacers pushing the ball. They're trying to make sure they don't overuse the energy in the course of the game. But they just got to stay focused and realize that they don't come to them. They don't come out trying to come out early, trying to jump on them.

And they got they got to be able to sustain the blow. Listen, you watched the game a lot. You've been around. And again, it's how the game was in the 80s compared to the 90s to the 2000s. And you, you know, you play physical. You see the physicality right now that the officials are allowing to happen on both sides in the Western Conference and also on the Eastern Conference Finals.

But you talked about the post part of it. Does it frustrate you at times that the post is not used more? And that can be from a guard perspective or even a big man. Is that, is that frustrating to watch when you just see, you know, a lot of teams want to bail out and shoot three? I mean, it's according with the offense. I think for the Knicks, it's better. For the Pacers, it's not. And I think the Knicks should put, the Cats a big guy, put them on the post.

They got an OG. I think Bridges be trying to post. But my thinking, the post is not a three throw line shot. Post is down, you know, on the hash marks on the side. Get the ball.

You go right or left. Like I said, I think the post will help the Knicks. If the cat posts up more, they can hunt the double team because he's just bigger than everybody. But on offense, I think they need to let somebody else start the offense. Let Bronston come up a downswing and the team's going to jump him.

He kick it back up top. The main thing with Team Double Team is the advantage for the offense. That means you got three on two on the weak side. And I think the Knicks need to take advantage of that. They've been crashing the boards with Robinson and Hart. They just got to stay focused and eliminate turnovers early. Can they get this one tonight?

Yeah, they should get this one tonight. Like I said, they got to stay focused, come out ready to play, forget about the crowd. They're going to be there. You know that. And I think that sometimes too many people on the sidelines can distract you because they got two celebrities rolled.

They got celebrities everywhere. And some of these guys, they've never been on teams that had the 20 people support at a game. And this is going to be a big game. I mean, if you lose, you might be going home. Don't even go to the locker room.

Just walk to the car with your uniform on. Hey, so if they win, say they take you to a game seven and you talk about the celebrities, all the celebrities. But more importantly, too, a lot of former players are back on the floor at the games. You see all the picture and it's weird not seeing my man, not seeing Oak in the garden. I know they lifted kind of the suspension from you not coming to and you can't attend. Two things is that one, one thing that you would do and two is and I heard you talk about this, that is there a way to repair the relationship with Dolan and management so you can be back integrated within the next family as you should be? Well, to be with the family, the family got to learn and I start with the mom pops and I think that love is not there.

What happened could have been love. And, you know, I think that when you get all those like that one in New York, they need to be addressed. Everybody should be paying attention because he's not playing fair. Even though all them guys going back, I really can't blame all them guys. So I didn't really play with all of the ones that play with who got some power. I thought would be Patrick, but he didn't step up, you know, so I'll hold I'll hold him more response to anybody else.

So he's flipping out franchise players. I played with him for 10 years. At least if I'm your road dog, I'm your I'm your new a.m. to be. You got to speak up for me.

He haven't spoke up yet, so I'm gonna let it just play out. I would love to be there. I know the fans would love me to be there. I love the fans.

They gave me a lot of cheer over the years and I wish I could be there. But it all started from the commission, the owner and all the other owners of the NBA, because he's making it bad for all the teams in the league for something like this. We're going on for eight years. So disrespect.

He said, go home. I'm saying one thing. You always play out to be accountable. That's all I want to be accountable.

No, I got you on that. And it's interesting, too, because you said Patrick and that what can Pat do in his situation? And I you know, I know Pat could not only playing against him. He was we were together when we were in Houston.

He was an assistant coach down there. What what more what can he do or what he's what is he not doing? That's not helping the situation. By being there. Number one, number two, he should have called me and talked to me like a man when this happened. Never done that.

I have Regine Miller, Brad Daugherty, MJ, all the other guys. I went to war with. They spoke up. But as I played with. But, you know, I just I mean, I guess to go with it is his style of life. You know, never been like I said, you know, we've been the guy who really moves down and out in the situation. And of course, the playoff game, regular season game, you know, never stepped up. So maybe I should respect him to step up so much now because we are a basketball. But I mean, the guy was I spoke up for everybody, you know, that I probably got traded from Chicago by speaking up for other guys on the team. But I don't like to see nobody get disrespect.

And I'm there. I have a voice. And that's what's wrong with a lot of guys. Use your voice. Don't let the dollar control you control in there. So were you ever afraid to put yourself in that situation? Because you've always been that way. And a quiet leader from this respect.

This is what I know. The tough guy image here. But one thing you did was whether it was a friend or a teammate, you were always there. And you didn't you don't never start anything. But if you see something is wrong.

Right. That's when, you know, O jumps in. And how much did that help and hurt maybe during your career? Being that voice of reason for the team, but then maybe an opposition sometimes with ownership. I didn't look at what it hurt because I knew I was right. And when you write, you just got to go with it and prove me wrong. I've been talking to my whole career before my career, after my career, during my career. I never had to come back to apologize for nothing I said.

So that means people who listen should maybe listen to me when I'm saying because, like I said, a lot of guys said things. Then they stayed out. I was I was in a different moment.

I was I was I was, you know, just it was a bad time. I didn't sit the wrong thing. I should never say nothing. But I never been in a position like that. It was the same case when they kind of accused me of howling at the owner in front of twenty thousand. Ain't nobody else there.

I said nothing to this guy. So, I mean, it's just one of them things. But I'm always going to be there. I mean, I'm over now, but I see my right is right. I'm always wrong and try to still take that place.

No, I got it, man. And I think it more so to being accepted back in the family for me was the New York fans love and appreciate who you are, what you did during your time there. And that's what I meant more than anything, because they love to see you, of course, back in the garden at the games. Because I hear people talk about it and I know you and I know there's a reason. And I know that you're bigger than a situation to where it's like, listen, if we can resolve this the right way, but it got to be the right way. I'll be back.

But it has to be resolved the right way. And hopefully, hopefully ownership will understand that because they need to have you back in there. This message is brought to you by Abercrombie and Fitch. I've been ready for summer for a while and now it's finally time for summer outfits. With the trip coming up, the A&F Vacation Shop has me covered. Abercrombie really knows how to do a lightweight outfit. Their tees, sweater polos and linen blend shorts never miss. I wear Abercrombie denim year round. Their shorts are no different and have the comfort I need for summer. Prep for your next trip with the A&F Vacation Shop.

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Okay. Xavier McDaniel. I mean, he was on the side guy, but you know, he had that song. You know, we came out of the same draft class, so I'm going to give him a little respect. He wasn't tough at all, but he would come to the fight. I didn't say he was going to fight, but he would come to the fight. He would come to the fight? Yeah. He might have your back. Didn't y'all get into, when he was in Seattle, one time he was in New York, right? Yeah.

We still might get into it by then. See, I played with X too. We almost got into it on the bus over a card game, but that's what I wanted to ask you. Okay, so one of our Ohio boys, Alvin Robinson. Alvin, hey, I'll take him inside with me. What was it about Alvin? Hey, all them people you're going to name, he's the only guy I know that will fight. Hey, I love Alvin Robinson.

So what about Mad Max? What about Vernon? Well, I mean, Vernon just talked, man. Vernon ain't never been on stage. He talked to me just in that year. They say he got a new space on the podcast, and he's just talking up a storm. Was he?

Oh, so you said, I don't know, man. Max didn't... I never seen him.

I never seen him in one of them fights. I heard him talking a lot. Back then, I'm surprised they didn't get away with so much talking, but he was doing a lot of talking. Okay.

We talked to guards. Okay, so what about Bill Laimbeer? No, Laimbeer don't want to fight.

Laimbeer, no. He just did that because he only picked on who? He picked on Kevin McHale, Kurt Brown, and Pat Jordan.

That was about it. Okay, and the last one, my boy, I played with D.C. Derek Colvin. Derek Colvin? They ain't gonna fight. No, no, D.C. fight. That's my guy. D.C. fight, yeah. I seen it. When he took Cordless Williams over to scorers' table, when we played Philly, he was in Sacramento, Cordless was. I know about what I see and what I know, but I've been in a couple situations that he sent some guys to come and get me to help him out.

But, I mean, they're still my man. I never seen him in a fight. Everybody said the D.C. is tough. I don't put him in that type of toughness, a guy who gonna fight every time somebody do something wrong with getting in your face. I don't put him in that. He's still cool with me, but, you know, I miss going for real.

Okay, so outside of the album, give me one that you played with or played against that you know in the past. I'm gonna take Mason. I'm sorry. Oh, Ant, yeah.

Let me take Mason. Rest in peace. So we experienced this about five or six times in New York, not during the season or in the summertime. We had to tear some places up, me and him. Give me an example.

I'll tell you a big one, Tamron and Green. Oh, what? Yeah, we had afternoon game.

We went there for dinner. They were trying to, you know, do this and do that. It was always security. Right.

I don't know why. It wasn't regular people. It was security. They tried to flex. So we had to, we just had to tear it up.

You know, so... It was security that was flexing or some other people? It was security. Oh, so after the game, they were kind of flexing like they didn't want to let you in or what? They didn't want to what? Well, it was just, you know, it was just disrespecting.

That's all. You know, I had my family in from Cleveland. We going to dinner. We had a table at 12.

He probably had a table for 20. It just always, it's always been, every fight off the court, 90% been security in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. Different things.

They tried to flex at the pool or whatever. So... You don't listen, man. You know what I miss, man? I'm going to transition real quick.

This is what I miss. The old NBA, like when I came in my second year, I say this, you, when you were in New York, I called you. You said, I'm taking you out. We're going to go out to eat. And I still remember this. Oh, you took, and people don't understand that didn't grow up in the nineties, like how going out and hanging and going to dinner and going to different parties was. And just how, when you took me to Chaz and Wilson. On Sunday.

On Sunday. And for those that don't know Chaz and Wilson, it's a supper club, smaller. You can have dinner, drinks, but it was a live performance. Who was it? Ron... Ron Grant. Ron Grant, that he was the house band, but you would have stars come in and actually would jump on stage and do impromptu's, right? Yeah. Prince, Luther, the man, Jay Blige, SWB, Carl Thomas.

I mean, just whoever in town. It was crazy. Back then when we used to hang, it was like, but it felt, it might've been just me. It felt like it was older.

Okay. You know what I mean? I mean, like the crowd was older.

The music was, you know, even though hip hop was coming into play, the places that we ended up going. It just felt like it was older and they could have been in their early thirties. You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? But it just, was that just me? Did it feel like it was the crowd was just that, like that?

It was that vibe in New York. You know, if you didn't go there, you go to Nails, to Envy, you go, I mean, it's just nice. The tunnel. I mean, it was always good vibing club. It wasn't all this stuff. Now you hear people getting fights and waiting for you outside, you know, but it was, it was a good place. And so, you know, I wouldn't take nowhere, no hole in the wall or nothing like that, but it was a nice place that we went to.

Oh man. I, cause it was hard to get in. I mean, you, even if you had a reservation, sometimes you had to stand at that bar, right?

Yup. One time I wanted to take, we never had a chance to go with the China club, China club on Monday nights. That was just like Chaz and Wilson, but it was more of like music.

It wasn't no live band, just music. Okay, man. I missed those days, man. I remember out here in LA, remember Roxbury?

Oh yeah. Roxbury. And Century Club? Yeah, Century Club. I was, matter of fact, the day before Biggie and the other guys, Biggie got shot, we was at the Century Club. I think we flew in from Seattle. I mean, I was psychomented, the team, and we went to the Century Club that night.

I saw him in the city outside in the truck. You know, it was funny because the owners, Damon Dozier and Ted Dozier, they're good friends of mine and they smoke with us here at the cigar spot here. And he got all, and he talked about the time that y'all was in town, New York, Chicago was in town. Cause y'all was playing, one of y'all was playing the Knicks.

I mean the Lakers, other playing the Clippers. Y'all happened to be there that same time and y'all went to Century Club and it was all these NBA guys. And Dame was just telling this story last week. Really?

Okay. Yeah, he was just telling this story. And it's funny cause I was at the party, that vibe party, when Big got killed. Sam Cassella and I were there that night.

Cause we had flew in and we were playing the Clippers that next day. Oh, okay. So I missed those days, bro. Yeah, it was a little rough on the edges, but it was still cool though. It wasn't crazy, crazy, crazy, you know. But it was, but I think it was more rougher in the early eighties and nineties we was out there.

Yeah, yeah. It was, man. It was totally different, bro. It totally got better. It was, it was, they was, that's when they was sticking everybody up back then in the early eighties. They had the good, they had the good summer league going.

I don't know. They had the good summer league. And when we played at UCLA all the time too, in the summer. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that was a good pickup too. Yeah, with Magic over there cheating all the time.

If he, if he had gained point and he ain't score, he was called, he was caught. But you know, the problem was everybody else has started doing it because Magic did. You know what I'm saying? I've missed all those. But before we get out of here, I know you work on a lot of community stuff too. And I know you cooked the chef and I had one time you cooked me that pesto pasta, which was beautiful. So two things, one, the chef, but what else are you working on community wise? I know you still do a lot of stuff back in Cleveland.

Just talk to me real quick on a few of the things that you're working on. Well, we're still doing the cooking events and I think this year we're going to, we're starting to try to get some stuff out there in California. But hopefully we can do it.

I know All-Star is going to be out this year. We're going to do, you know, we did Skid Row four times. So we're going to try to do Skid Row again. I'm still, I got to go to Syracuse next week and do Oak Experience next week. But we're still going back to the interstate to get back to the sheriff's property. I just did Robin Hood in New York, a big foundation.

I'm trying to get engaged with them to do some backing. I'm just still trying to just go out and make people happy, give them a hot meal. You know, I appreciate it. When you used to come over to my mother's house, I used to get to playing ball.

You know it. You know, hey, so people understand when you own the car washes in Cleveland, but then when you used to do your barbecue in the summer and then when I used to come into Cleveland and go over your mom's house and then you would cook. I mean, again, to me, and I thank you for this because it set the tone for what it meant to be a professional. Forget about this basketball and what it meant to give back to the community. One, to take care of the people that are close to you, but also be a great representative of what a strong black man is in our community and not just talk about it, but to be about it. So from me to you, big bro, you know, you can't do no wrong in my eyes.

So I appreciate it. And one other thing on the backtrack, you talk about the New York thing. We just met with them six weeks ago with the Knicks.

Yeah. And tried to make a deal with them. And they told us no. So the whole way you met with the ownership. Well, we tried to solve the case. OK. And they tried to come out last week like I'm but I'm the bad guy.

You know, he said, oh, he dropped the case and come back in. Now, we try to start this five or six weeks before the playoffs started because I ain't want to be no distraction to the team. Exactly. It's been a distraction itself while bringing up if I drop a case and you to hold up.

So it's bad for the whole thing. He's trying to make me look bad. But I was, you know, making it.

But the thing is, he like his name in the press. Your team is down 0-2. You want to bring up some. Tell them what's going on with the case.

You want to talk about it. Yeah, no, but I think I think a lot of people just to think about having the reputation you have, because the reputation on the court as being an enforcer, but somebody who played the game the right way. But then the reputation off the course as somebody who did things the right way and continue to do things. I think that's why from a fan's perspective, people on the outside looking in, that's why it resonates with them that you are in the right and that the ownership should come back in and admit that it was wrong.

Based on what has been out there and been said and kind of squashed this whole thing. That's just based on the immaculate reputation that you have as a person. Well, another thing I know you got to go. But my thing is, I'm playing on four different teams, probably playing with maybe 150, 200 guys. And can nobody on no team never said, oh, what's a bad guy with distraction? Oh, all I did was written a reputation for every guy I played with and let them know I'm not going to do so. And I'm going to be a leader.

You can't leave by doing by doing. Because they're watching you early, late, buying the team on the road, buying and picking different places and trying to show them how to do. You know, just like a little brother. You got to show him what he got to do when he get over. That's all I try to do to my teammate and show him a good time.

Nobody can never say nothing unless they're a hater. And I wasn't a rough and tough guy. I wasn't going to take no shit. Like I said, I got to play because I stood up for guys. That's what's right.

When you believe in it, die with it. Hey, listen, the funniest stuff was when we was in Houston together, you came in and Devin Gundy was coaching. Thebbs was the assistant coach. And you told Steve, it was in practice one day. You said, Steve, man, why you dribble so much, man? Stop dribbling the damn ball all the time. Get to your spot, pull it up or give it up.

Stop dribbling. Steve Francis was looking at you like, man, you was on Steve's head all the time, man. I'm saying it on him and Kat. They call him Tarmon Jarrett. You can see they was getting away with everything.

I can believe that Jeff was letting them get away with murder, man. Late for the plane. You were never late. We didn't want to know what it was to be late because you don't want that. That's how we was back in the old days. Let's see who's going to be there first.

Put the work in. We had a good time in Houston. We had a great time. You was on his neck. Hey man, I appreciate you, brother.

I look forward to seeing the big three coming up too. Alright, we'll talk. Peace. Thanks again to Charles Oakley for taking the time to join me. Again, I think you saw through our conversation the kind of person that Oak is.

He's funny, witty, but he's tough, but he's tough in a way where it's all about doing the right thing. I've been blessed. I played on 12 teams, played with a lot of different players. I mean, I've learned so much, been blessed to play with some of the best that have been in this game.

But one person always stands out. And I'm glad I had a chance to catch him on the back end of his career. Kind of the back end of my career when it was all about passing something forward. And I truly appreciate that. And I hope things can be resolved the right way in New York because Charles Oakley needs to be, deserves to be a part of that organization and on the court, on the floor supporting the New York Knicks right now with the way they've been playing and the energy there. It's still something missing when Charles is not there. So shout out to Charles and all that he's doing back in Cleveland and everywhere else. He wants to kind of impact the lives of a lot of people.

That's just a genuine person he is. But I want everybody to enjoy the weekend, enjoy the games coming up. It should be a good one. New York has a great opportunity to go back home on Thursday to kind of bring this series three to two, make it tough because it's always tough to close out, especially when you're on the road. But it's a lot more pressure on New York to get it done because if you lose, you're on vacay.

Indy is heading to the chip to OKC. So enjoy it. I'm off next week traveling, doing a little golf, something I've been doing for a while now with a bunch of my partners. But after that, we'll be back.

You know, same time, same bad channel. So stay tuned. Enjoy the weekend. Peace out.

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