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Yahoo Sports Senior NBA writer, Vincent Goodwill. Coming up, host of ESPN's First Take, Stephen A. Smith. And now, sitting in for Rich, it's Susie Schuster. Hi, everybody.
Susie Schuster in for Rich. Hi, guys. I'm thrilled to be here with you. I was here Friday with the Women of Women's Sports Now, exclusively on Roku Channel.
Colleen Wolf was right there where TJ is. Good morning, TJ. How are you? Great, Sus. How about you?
I'm so good. I was here Friday. I'm here today, tomorrow. Taking over. Might just be the rest of the week.
Who knows? Hi, Mikey. How are you? Good morning, Sus. How you doing?
Good. Christopher, how are you? You feeling any better? Hair of the dog? Hair of the dog? I'm drinking tea. There's nothing in it.
It's just tea. Yeah. Sometimes you can help yourself out by helping yourself out to get through a Monday show when you've been drinking all weekend.
Interesting. You just keep the buzz going, no? Keep it going. Are we drinking tomorrow? Is that your way of priming us for what's coming tomorrow?
Oh, I mean, please. That means I have to bring it. That means I will bring the breakfast foods. Star bench cut croissant, donut, bagel. I'm not asking for anything. No, I'm asking you a question.
Star bench cut. Let's see, what, a donut croissant bagel? Yeah. What's on the bagel?
Is it plain? Cream cheese, don't be an idiot. Come on. I'm going to start donut. I'm going to bench bagel and cut croissant.
TJ? This might sound controversial. I'm going to start the croissant.
Yeah, you are. I'm going to cut the bagel and I'm going to bench the donut. You want to get on this, Mikey? Croissant is out. Thank you, Mike.
Let me tell you why you guys are just a mess. And the bagel is one. The bagel start.
No, it's not. You have to ask where's the bagel from? Where's the bagel from? Bagel cream cheese, a little lox on it. Come on. First of all, another thing I've never had lox my whole life.
Susie, Susie, Susie, come on. I'm going to get you one of those tomorrow. I promise you, I will. I mean, I know you're from New England, but you went to college in New York. I know.
I know. No, I don't like capers. The capers stuff.
Keep that off. The little Pete caper. Yeah. Was that English? Yeah.
It was not just get it off capers and there's capers. Nothing. You always want to go first with a croissant unless it's in New York City bagel or maybe Sam's are insane. Yeah, they are. I know because I do nice things for you guys. Thank you, Susie. See, that's why I love you guys. Whatever.
It's all good. Smith will be joining us soon. I hope so. I just see some bubbles over here. So now I'm sitting here thinking, OK, I hope so.
Right. Oh, you're texting him and you got the bubbles. I got the bubbles right now. The bubbles stress me out. I sit here waiting almost as much as reading the wind's loss off of that laminated card that I'll never do again. It's so crazy. It's hard to read that thing.
Yeah. It's really hard to read. The color coding is great, though, if it's nice to see the grid.
There's a lot of colors and boxes, but I feel like this big. But I feel like everybody else knows how to read it better than I do. Then they're saying, oh, that's that's the road game. That's a home game. And I'm reading it.
And I don't know what they're talking about. Typically, when there's an at in front, that means it's a road game. So we call it a week one Baltimore at Buffalo.
You know what I mean? So it's that means it's a way game. Yeah. And if there's no at, that means it's a home game.
Is that right? So Atlanta and in the first box, it just says TB. So that means home game.
Arizona at N.O. N.O., Suzy, code for New Orleans. I'm just helping you. No, I'm helping you read better. Helping you read better.
Please me and explain this to me more. All right. When there's a pink box, that means it's Sunday night football. Okay. Blue box.
Okay. Blue box. Monday night football. Yellow box. Thursday night. Green box. YouTube only. Brazil game. Okay.
That's only week one. Got it. Later in the year. Green box also means Christmas. Did you guys pick up how we said got it to me?
I'm really helping you out. Did you guys pick up how we said got it to me? Did you guys pick that up?
I'm just curious. Did you hear how it was an undertone of that? Your fellow New England fan right there. Black box. Black box. And now I'm going to put this together for you.
I'm going to land the plane. Black box. Black Friday game.
Black black. That's only one day. That's the day after Thanksgiving. See what I mean? You shouldn't read that.
It's too small and it's not going to help you. Just print out that I shouldn't help you guys. That's the easiest thing to do. Brown box Thanksgiving because the outside of your turkey is golden brown. You know what I mean? I'm color coordinated. I'm busy trying to work on the show here.
Okay. So you keep talking about how your brown bird's in the oven. Why is it like pumpkin pie?
I mean, it's so funny. Are you trying to tell me to stay in the kitchen? Is that what you're trying to tell me? Are you trying to mansplain to football to me? I will take you down my friend.
And I mean this about food. I've eaten your turkey before. Yeah, it's awesome. It's great. I've been to your house several times for Thanksgiving. It's in maybe for lucky.
You'll have another invite. Me and Marshall and your mom. That's how we roll on the rich guys and show. Hi guys. Let's talk about Kaitlin Clark for a moment. And we will talk about this with Stephen A. Smith when he joins us in the next segment. And also we will talk about this ad nauseum on this week's edition of women's sports now exclusively on Roku channel with Renee Montgomery and Colleen Wolf and Sarah Tiana, who is dumb enough to take up with you. I don't know what she's thinking. Yeah.
Question that every day. I do too. Glad when I got home at 2 a.m. the lock still worked. By the way, just barely, I would say Kaitlin Clark and Angel Reese have taken over the airwaves when it comes to the WNBA. And it's great to have them back in play. Nice to have the WNBA back in season because, you know, I'm feeding on this right now.
I'm loving and I watched three games on Saturday afternoon. But the moment I saw that shove on Angel Reese by Kaitlin Clark during the sky game against the fever, by the way, Tyrese Halliburton and a bunch of guys in there watching as well. Boy, I thought we've got fatter because we just love watching these two go at it.
And this has been since Angel Reese, since Angel Reese started showing off the ring to Kaitlin Clark and saying, I got the ring and what do you have? There's been just those two have been chippy. Those two have been chippy and a lot was made of it over the weekend and it's gotten a little heated. I will say the WNBA had to put out a statement because after the game and during the game, people were hurling racial epithets at Angel Reese. This has gotten very chippy and very controversial. Now this is what I would say. I watched it.
Looks like a little bit shabby. Aliyah Boston came in. She got a tech. I think that Kaitlin Clark didn't say that she would pay for that check, but here's what the WNBA did say. The WNBA strongly condemns racism, hate and discrimination in all forms. They have no place in our league or in society.
We are aware of the allegations and are looking into the matter. Good Lord people, why do you have to make this like, why do you have to take out your anxiety on these two girls that are balling? Leave it off the court. Cheer on these two women who are playing lights out.
They are on fire. Angel Reese, when she is under the hoop, no one's going to get that ball out of her hands. And Kaitlin Clark put up a triple double in her first game of the year in season.
Good Lord. Watch these two women dominate and get your stupid opinions off the court because nobody wants to hear them. Period.
End of story. That said, watching them ball, bring it on. I love this rivalry. I love that we're all watching it.
It feels like a little reminiscent of bird and magic. This is fun. This is what we want. This is what I want my kid watching. I want her to see the shippiness. We talk about lowering your shoulder and going to the hoop. I want her to see these two women out there balling their heads off.
So leave the jamokes at home. You got an opinion. I don't want to hear it.
If it's crap and if it's racial, nobody wants to hear it out of your big mouth. Respect the fact that these women are playing at the highest level. Appreciate the fact that we're seeing sponsors flocking to the WNBA. We are lucky and thrilled that sponsors want to be a part of us.
Miller Lite. We love having them sponsor women's sports. Now we are here to talk about ball unashamedly. And also, I want to see some physicality in the game after the game. Both women said it was a basketball call and they buried it and they're going to move on.
Yes, there is. There is a history here. Yes, these two women have been at each other on and off the court like little barbs. But this is called a rivalry and it's OK. I think some people are uncomfortable with physicality of women's sports.
I'm not fantastic. I love watching this. I was watching a game the other day.
I was watching Kelsey Plum on the Sparks and I was showing Taylor, this is how you lower your shoulder and go for the hoop. One, two up. It's perfect physicality. I'm OK with it. And I think that everyone should be as well.
TJ, what are your thoughts on watching over the weekend? I mean, that in particular, you know, I've told you this. This is such a hot point, right, Chris?
On any time you mention those two, it brings out the absolute worst, the worst in social media. And it's, you know, almost like you don't even want to touch it sometimes. But look, it is what it is.
Physicality is part of basketball. Had to have been two other women involved in this, you know, in the game. We wouldn't be talking about this, but because it was those two, you know, everything gets blown up.
You know, the magnifying glass is a little bit placed over anything that two of them do. So look, man, I kind of look at it like this. And someone who did watch WNBA for years, if it gets people talking, if it gets its eyes on the product, you know, then so be it. I hate what comes along with it.
I hate reading the comments to the point where I just don't even bother with a lot of these stories because I know what's being said in the names, you know, and it's very weighted towards one side, this vitriol and hate. On the other hand, you could say, you know, sometimes was the reaction really that necessary to a basic basketball play? I would say probably not considering there was a shove in the back prior to that. Exactly. So, but you know, those two have have beef apparently, you know, unless they're the two great actors who kind of get what they're doing. And look, maybe they're maybe they're pulling, maybe they're maybe this is a work, as they would say in the wrestling world. I don't know, but I don't think it is. But, you know, like I said, it brings out the worst in fans, that's for sure.
But hey, if eyes are on the product, I guess that's a good. Yeah. I just want to talk specifically about this play. You know, just watching this replay over and over again. I mean, I was watching it live when Angel Reese two and shoves the fever player. I believe it's Aaliyah in the back, shoves her down to get the rebound. Kaitlin Clark points at the ref and says, where's the foul?
What was that? Where's the foul? She shoved my guy in the back, then makes a hard slap at the ball. And Angel Reese goes down and then the WMA comes out and like condemns the play by of Kaitlin.
Like, what are we doing? Well, I don't think they came out of the play of Kaitlin. They said it wasn't a basketball play, but she makes a slap at the ball. She did. There was a push, though. There was a shove. I saw an angle. I think I sent it to you this morning. Did I send you guys the angle this morning or did I send it to the other?
Maybe I sent it to the other show. There's another angle from the other side that looks a little bit more chippy, one would say. Well, her teammate got two hands shoved in the back. You guys, this is a physical game. It's a physical game.
These are big women. I love it. It just it just so happened. It's the two, you know, two players with a lot of history here. The hate, in my opinion, just comes from one side.
It seems like Kaitlin Clark doesn't even care. And, you know, Angel Reese is that's not what we're talking about when it comes to the hate. We're talking about the we're talking about.
Well, yeah, I'm not talking about the reality. I'm not talking about the family. I'm talking about these two people individually. It just seems all I know is that the kid watching Magic Johnson and Larry Bird as a kid with a poster in the back of my door, those two were so good for each other.
Those two built a whole world with their rival. It doesn't seem like these two are going to end up being friends like Magic and Larry were. And you never know. You never know. It's early. It's early. Bird didn't want that.
Didn't want anything to do with Magic. Also, in terms of talent, they were on par with each other. It doesn't seem like that's the case here either. Well, the other thing, but they're very different players.
I mean, I think it's really hard. I mean, look, Caitlin Clark is a scoring machine and Angel Reese is a defender like with very few that can match her underneath the hoop. Yeah, they're different players. Dennis Rodman wasn't out there because his game was aesthetically pleasing. He was out there because he was a monster on the boards and yeah, why was he out there again?
He was one of the greatest defenders of all time. He changed his game. He was a 30 point scorer in college. Well, in college playing played D two or three. I mean, you know, not Patrick Beverly put up 34 in college or high school. So I mean, it's different.
But Rodman is known as a defender and one of the greatest rebounders of all time. So this is what I would say. I just don't want to have this one story overshadow the incredible games that were played this weekend and the season ahead. I think you're going to be disappointed. You think so? I think that this is just going to be the story that every time they play, I think you're right.
And then, you know, any time one of them does something, you know, that the other side wants to hold up against the other one, you know, there's base fan bases and they're going at it. And, you know, it's wild. Look, I'm not saying that there was perfect ball playing in the WNBA this weekend. It's a it's a fresh season, a lot of turnovers, a lot of turnovers.
I mean, that's the bane of my of my existence, a lot of unnecessary turnovers. But we did see some great games this weekend. So I'm excited for it. I'm excited for the Liberty. And I love watching these. I mean, I'm here for it.
And I was thrilled watching that sold out crowd with the Valkyries. And I just think there's enough WNBA to go around. I just don't want this to become the only thing we're talking about this season.
There's so much to celebrate. You consider, look like I agree. Kelsey Plum came out, had a thirty seven point to her.
She's a ball and you didn't see anything. Excuse me about that. Yeah. That's the thing is like that's why it's great that we have a show on Roku channel that we can talk about women's sports exclusively because we have time to talk about the headlines past this, because there were great games this week and great performances.
The Liberty, you know, started the defense of their championship with a big win. Yep. You know. So we have a lot we have a lot to discuss ahead and Stephen A. Smith will be joining us soon. And, you know, we got nothing else to do but play win loss. So I'm just saying, while we wait for Stephen A., can we do a win loss, guys?
Sure. Let's do what should we do? Do you want to do Cowboys?
You want to do Panthers? Let's do let's not do Cowboys. You know, we usually let me do that first. Well, what if we ask Stephen A. to do?
No, it's not because he's such a cowboy hater. Well, I guess if you want the views on the YouTube for sure. I do. I do.
I want to go Panthers. Let's roll my eyes. I can't even tell what lines one, two, and three are about. Someone's going to help me out here. Do we need better glasses? Four. Wow. Wow.
Really? Wow. Did you just did you say I need new glasses?
I like these glasses. Because you've been saying for two hours that you can't see. Come over here and tell me what's on line one and two.
I can't see what's up. I'm not going to walk over. Yeah, you should. You're getting real aggressive. You are. You guys. Alright, let's go.
We love Boston. Watch your mouth. I love it. Eric in North Carolina. You ready? Eric is up.
You ready to do Panthers win loss? I love this. Yeah. Boston. I know Susan.
I better be coming. Thanksgiving. What are you doing?
That's right. Honestly, what did I do? What did you do? You're breathed. You're on the S list right now. I know.
I love it. All right, Eric. Let's go.
Ready? Music. Mikey. All right. Week one at the Jaguars win week two at the Cardinals.
This is so much easier. When week three home for the Falcons win week four at the Patriots added to be a toss up. I'll take the win week five. Week five dolphins. I think that'd be a loss. Week six Cowboys at home.
It's a win week seven at the Jets win week eight Buffalo bills law week nine at the Packers law week 10 home for the Saints win week 11 at the Falcons win week 12 at the Niners Monday night football loss week 13 home for the Rams probably a loss 14 to buy 15 at the New Orleans Saints win week 16 is the Bucks win. Excuse me. Oh, the loss.
You corrected yourself there. Week 17 Saturday game Seahawks. Is that Christmas?
What does that know? What does that home game something? Yeah.
When week 18 at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost 10 and seven. Nice. Nice.
Ten seven. Nicely done proposal for y'all. Oh, what do we got trade NBA trade, Mark Williams and a second round draft pick for Giannis Anticoupa. Uh, I mean, take it or not. No, no hard pass on that. Who's going to take that?
Because the Hornets would do that, obviously. Yeah. Who won't do that?
It is really walking. Come with it too. Uh, no, many more.
You need many more picks and more players. Nope. Nope. Hard pass, but thank you again. Thanks again for calling in hard pass on that one.
Can we take one more call before we do that? You know, it's in this bag. No, it's in that bag.
A cheesesteak. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Oh God. I'm scared.
How'd you get it delivered here? It's not easy. Well, it's a guy.
What's in the back. That mean thing you just said about me? I will not. Well, he's not the one that ordered it.
I don't know why, you know, you would take it. Did Adam do it? Yeah. Adam C he did. It was Adam's idea receipt on the bag too.
Didn't he? Okay. It's a $12 cheesesteak. You're not supposed to read all that. Let's take a break. You're the one that's feisty. Yeah.
A little bit. Gosh. Right. You can just say, you can just say thank you. Thank you so much, Adam. Thank you for getting me a Philly cheesesteak because these two jokers don't get me anything.
So thank you so much for doing the show with you. And Adam was like, should we get our cheesesteak? And we were like, yes, by the way, women can multitask.
I could order a cheesesteak and do the show. I just talked to Stephen, a Smith during the first hour. And what were you guys doing? Oh my goodness.
What happened here? Yeah. I'm just saying cheesesteaks are tearing us apart right now. What are we doing? Don't we have a break to go to Hoskins? No, we don't have a break yet. Oh, Susie.
We don't have a break yet. Look at that thing. Hold on a minute. Okay.
I've never had one in my life. It's all sticky. Wait, hold on. It's sticking to the point. That's the cheese.
That's the cheese and the cheesesteak. How many calories is in this thing? A lot.
13. Just take a bite. Do I have to take more than one bite? You probably want to. Mike is like, we can break any time. All right.
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Back here on the Roku channel and Adam Chunwin, our call screener, heard me say I've never had a cheesesteak and he had one delivered here. Now here's the question. Is this organic?
The answer is no. Do you have to put the peppers onto it? Can I try this without the peppers and the mind playing?
Yeah, you might want to put peppers off. I'll take it. What the hell's in this? Cheese, cheese, cheese and steak. Okay, it's like the bread. The role.
Yeah, the role is kind of what makes it to the role is really important. First time. Oh, I mean, I know it's good.
I used to always really good. That's pretty good. Yeah.
Yeah. Tony Luke's, Pat's, Geno's, put them all. Oh, Jim. Jim's Philadelphia's and Jim's Jim's Philadelphia. Three of those things.
What does it matter? Delivered here. Give her the ones from here. I know. I mean, give her some go to. Of course, he'll take that. Of course. Of course.
I'll tell you. We can. I mean, we can split it. I think that one bites enough. Wow. Thank you, Adam.
Mikey. I mean, Adam, you can get it either. The fact you want decides what decides peppers and onions kid. You want the onions kid? Hey, you already smell like booze.
You want the onions and the peppers? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. You smell like booze. Brockman. No, no, no, no.
In the makeup room. I'm just saying you don't smell like booze. But for nothing, I got seven PowerAids with electrolytes yesterday. I got to say something. So if it's pizza, I'll eat it. I don't care. Like, well, I mean, it isn't deep dish, thin crust, you name it.
I like all don't discriminate. No, the cheese steak. I'm not so sure I feel about that.
How can you not feel anything but joy about it? See, it's a very simple component. There's steak and cheese and cheese and a dynamic role. Yeah. Yeah. What makes a role dynamic?
I don't really know, but some rules are more dynamic. You had I liked it. I liked what you said there. The dynamic role dynamic. It's kind of crazy. What are we doing?
That's a great question. Back here on the Rich Eisen show, Susie Schuster in for Rich Eisen. The guys got me a cheese steak. I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with it or let it pass. That might be one.
Maybe if I go to Philly and get it there, it'll be worth that. You can have one bite of that. Yeah.
Put it to the side. I'm a one bite person. Like I like I like to order like a three or four desserts, taking one bite of each. That's that's you know what that is. That's wealthy activities right there.
Oh, that's wealthy people activity. It doesn't have to be an expensive dessert. It could be like an ice cream. It could be a cookie.
We could be a cookie. We went to Ponderosa back in the day. We were able to afford, you know, multiple desserts and having one bite.
I haven't heard of Ponderosa in a long time. Stephen A. Smith can hear us. And he's like, what the hell did I say? Oh, fish and chips. I'll get me some more fish and chips. All the fish and all the chips. Yep. Stephen, do you hear this conversation? This is like one of the dumbest ones ever known to television. But I'm going to ask you, cheese steak, are you yay or nay?
I just tried one for the first time. You hear me? For some reason, you sound a bit muffled. I hear you. I hear you loud. Just not clear that you would not be the first person to say that. I've been told that many a time. Now I hear you. OK, good.
So here's the inanity we're talking about today. The guys just got me a cheese steak because I said I'd never had one in my life. Are you a cheese steak? Yea or nay? I love cheese steaks. Yeah. Let's go. Got to be made by the right people.
Got to be like I'm particular, Susie. So so what happens is, let's say, for example, somebody gives me a cheese steak. Right. OK. It's got to be on a hoagie. Right.
Which it usually is. It's got to be toasted. If it's not toasted, I don't want it. This was not toasted, but it doesn't have. But well, that's not good if it's not toasted.
Right. And then it doesn't have any mayo. Still doesn't taste right.
I need to toast it. I need some mayo and I need some onions in there as well. And even though I don't usually like a lot of ketchup, I got to have some ketchup sprinkled on it without the ketchup. All right.
I can't do that either. So it's a combination toasted bun. Scrape a little mayo, not a lot, just a little bit on the bread.
Little ketchup with the you know, in the midst of it with some with some with some sort of fried onions. And it's got to be provolone cheese. I don't want American cheese. I'll tolerate Swiss, but I prefer provolone cheese for the cheesesteak. I don't prefer provolone with a burger anything, but with my cheesesteak, I prefer provolone over all of it. I appreciate you using the word tolerate. You will tolerate the cheese. Here's where they went wrong here.
And I appreciate the producing here. They wanted to see if I would actually eat this on the air. And quite honestly, there's a ninety nine percent chance that I would not. That said, it was not a dynamic Kogi. It was not toasted. It was some kind of mystery meat, which is is this the color of a normal cheesesteak? It's like a questionable brown. Yes.
Yes, it is. The color looks accurate. OK, a little exactly. There's some gunky situation of cheese that was sticking to the paper.
And I said, that's not usually how I like. That's good stuff. That's good. That's how you know it's a good cheesy. Was there. No, but that's up with the cheesesteak.
That's how it goes. OK. Was the cheesesteak. Was the flaw that they introduced me to a cheesecake from a place in El Segundo? Was that the flaw to the plan here? No, the real flaw was that they gave you a cheesesteak.
So what they're really saying is that when you're not there is what they give you a hubby. They better not. They better not ask. So now so now not to die my mouth because I would never do that. Never do that.
Yeah. But just did. Mr. Rich, Mr. Rich eyes. It appears Mr. Rich eyes and has a fetish for some cheesesteaks. I say we've never bought rich.
You don't need too many of those. Let me fill you in on something with my husband. OK, let me tell you. My husband is a child when it comes to food. OK, if it is in a we all want. No, no, no.
This is like epic levels. Like if it's prepackaged from somewhere from a questionable source and it comes in cellophane, he's going to eat it. So like American cheese, individual wraps. That's his jam. Can I can I can I come to his defense just for a second? Just a second.
Yes. You're talking to a guy that has changed my life around and has really prioritized my health over the last couple of years. But in the last two days, I ate Skittles as this crunching bunch. I'm in no position to denigrate my man rich eyes. And to that point now, now I'm calling them out on the cheese steaks because clearly he's been slipping a few of those behind your back. Right. Clearly the case.
Right. But but having said that, I can't throw him under the bus like that and act like he's alone and being childish with his diet, because as men, we know, I mean, that's just what we do sometimes. We you know, we we like the chocolate. We like the sweets. That's just how we are. It calms. Well, maybe you can't throw him under the bus, but I can.
And I will do it any time I damn please. And it's about the jellybean wrappers in the back of the car. Right. No, that right. I know where they're hidden in his office.
They don't know our history. So, you know, I know how you know how much of a general you can be. That's how you roll. You understand? You know, damn lieutenants. Are you a general? You run the show. Sure. That was when I was working with you.
So could you imagine what you are at the home running the nightmare? We understand. We understand. You know, we, we, we, we know that Rich Eisen's got rights about five percent of the time.
And other than that, he do what he is supposed to do if he wants a happy home, because you ain't somebody that somebody should want on their bad side. And I love you for knowing that about me. I love you for knowing that about me. OK, I do. I was telling you for years. That's true. That's true. I can't really happy when he's on the show with me.
Let me ask you a couple of questions. If you could be any basketball player that's playing right now in the conference finals on either side, who would you be? For me, it would be Jalen Brunson because it's playing the Madison Square Garden. I mean, I grew up in New York City, diehard Knicks fan all my life to be at the Mecca at Madison Square Garden as the star player. You know, I mean, that would be it. But the reason it would be Jalen Brunson would be because it's New York. It's the garden.
This is home. If I'm just looking at a skill set that I wish I could have as skilled as he is, I'm an ant man dude all day, every day. Yeah, it was the brother spectacular. I think he's Jordan Nesk. I think he has that kind of potential. And I think that if he ever gets to a point where he's winning championships, we will be talking about him being Jordan Nesk even more, not his mouth, because he will talk smack to you.
He will get your face. He will let you know not to say that Jordan didn't do that. But he's clearly more conspicuous with his demonstrative tendencies than Jordan ever was. But the thing about Ant Man, his athleticism, his fervor for the game, his willingness to defend, not just score, and that jump shot that has vastly improved over the last couple of years to complement his athleticism, his ball handling skills, his ability to get in the lane, etc. Ant Man is spectacular and he is a showstopper. And I think he's I think that if he wins the championship, he will officially be the face of the NBA.
And that means even to the to, you know, in the stratosphere of a LeBron James and the Steph Curry. Wow, that's a big that's a big statement. Yes, it is.
Yes, it is. But he will because his personality demands to see Jason Tatum as a champion. But Jason Tatum didn't have that personality.
Ant Man has that kind of personality. And so if he were to win a championship, it's not just about him winning the championship, Susie. Last year, he sent home Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal in the first round. He sent up Jokic and Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon in the second round. He lost in the conference finals to Luca and Kyrie, then came back this year and sent Luca and LeBron home together. And obviously, Jimmy Butler, I'm not going to say Steph Curry because Steph Curry, when he was on the court, they won Game one and he had 13 points in the first 13 minutes of Game two before he strained his hamstring. So I'm not going to say Steph Curry, but he did send home Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green. And if he wins this series, he would be sending home Shea Gil just Alexander, who I believe to be the eminent league MVP. So if he did that and then Lord help us, he played the New York Knicks in the finals and he beat New York to win a championship.
I think it will warrant that kind of discussion. Now, if you are a coach slash GM and you're building a team right now based off of one of these four teams, do you start with him or who do you start with? I start with Ant-Man.
I start with Ant-Man. I mean, Shea Gil just Alexander is an upgraded modern day version of George, the Iceman Gervin, the Iceman George Gervin, who I love. Jalen Brunson is a superstar in this game clutch player of the year.
He's a closer. Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers led by a hall of fame coach in Rick Carlisle. They ought to be highly respected, but Ant-Man is a different breed. I mean, when you think about the personalities might be different, but when you think about a bird, when you think about in Magic Johnson, when you think about a Michael Jordan, he wouldn't be a Vince Carter if he won the championship because Vince Carter never won a championship. You'd have to think about Kobe when you think about his willingness to play on both sides of the ball. I'm talking about Ant-Man here because Kobe was willing to do the same thing for many years. Kobe was an elite defender, and so I look at those kind of things, the elements, the increments, the ingredients that come with being a face of the league and somebody you want to build around. I can't see how it can't be Ant-Man on the court.
He can give you 25 to 27 a night. He's willing to defend. He's a highlight reel waiting to happen every single play, and his personality is tops, is one of the top personalities, one of the top elite personalities in the game, which makes him incredibly, incredibly marketable. I don't see how you dismiss all of those things and say, I would take somebody else to be the face of my franchise. Not if he wins this championship.
Oh no, no, no, no. It would be him. You think the immaturity will be something that he puts aside. Kobe, as you and I both know, wanted to be the face of the league. He wanted that to be him. You and I saw firsthand like when he and Shaq would bristle at each other because they both wanted to be the face of the franchise. So I guess that's my only pushback with Anthony Edwards. I want to see him mature and grow into the role because I think it's, I want him to be a role model.
I want him to be the face and I want him to want it. So we have to be careful. You and I have had many, many discussions off there because we've known each other for so many years.
Love you daily girl. And we've had so many conversations and a lot of times, a lot of times I've told you sometimes it's reflecting on your past transgressions that make you highly hesitant to step out front. So we don't know what he believes he has done or how he has behaved off the court in the past and what level of influence that may have on his future desires to be a face of the league because with being the face comes that scrutiny. And when that scrutiny comes your way, none of us want it. It's just that some of us run from it and some of us don't, but none of us want it.
None of us. You don't want that heightened level of scrutiny because it's subject to interpretation. You might have done something negative, but in other people's eyes is heinous.
And as a result, it also gives people a license to get in your business, which a lot of folks don't want happening. And so when somebody says to you, the face of the league, the face of the league, the face of the league, you're saying no, no, no, because you don't want to invite the intention because you don't want the responsibility. That's entirely different than feeling as to whether or not you deserve it based on your exploits, your perform and how performative you are and what level of results you register compared to others who might be deemed the face of the league. I believe he believes he's on that level.
He just doesn't want to invite the scrutiny on a personal level that may come with it for whatever reason. And that's his right. But fans also have the right to say, we don't give a damn. We watch you play and nobody deserves it more than you.
And that's where I'm at with it. And I'm looking at him strictly as a basketball player. I think he's a good dude. I'm quite sure he's not flawless because none of us are, but I think he's a very good dude.
But as a basketball player, he is a showstopper and I believe he is the face of the league and he should be. Just a few more minutes with Stephen A. Smith, Susie Schuster, in for Rich Eisen. Is he going to hold the trophy? Who's going to put it up?
I hope not. I hope my Knicks beat him, but I will confess to you, I'm really clamoring for Minnesota versus New York. Now, in the interest of the school, my travel arrangements are important. I mean, ain't no direct flights in the Oklahoma City. It's not winter anymore. So I'm not going to summarily dismiss Minnesota. Indiana's a great, great basketball town and stuff like that.
But there's only so many times you can go to a Ruth Chris, you know, a Morgan steakhouse or something like that. Look, man, I get it. Then Indiana.
I get it. And I'd rather be in Minnesota. Well, I even talk about the food. I'm talking about the cities. I'd rather be in New York than Indiana. I'd rather be in Minnesota than New York. But also, if we're being honest, most basketball people with clamor for that confrontation, New York versus Minnesota, Ant-Man at the Garden, Julius Randle and Karl-Anthony Towns going up against one another. Not at one was traded for the other last summer. All of these things play into come into play for an epic NBA finals.
And I think that's what a lot of us would like to see. But Indiana and OKC, you can bet the house they're going to have something to say about them because both of them are good enough to take out New York and Minnesota. We have a minute and a half left with you. And I'm sitting here.
Do I ask you about Caitlin Clark? And do I ask you about injuries or do I ask you to do the win loss for the Dallas Cowboys? Because Michael Irvin did the win loss. He predicted the Cowboys are going to go 12 and five when I play the win loss. It's fine.
I was nine and eight. Oh, that's fast. Oh, they make play. They don't know what he's talking about. He has no objectivity. Don't listen to him. There's no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, he's got sweat in the throat of his hands and trying to be demonstrative and bully folks in the believe in the Cowboys are going to win 12 games.
And oh, by the way, it doesn't amount to anything because they are going to lose in the playoffs anyway. So they waste your time with that subject. What's the other question? Caitlin Clark and injuries kind of sounds a little bit like the conversation you just had about wanting the spotlight. This is what I said about it. And I love it. I want to see them going at it. I want to see them playing physical. I want to keep this racist crap off the court where it belongs.
Some Jamoke wants to talk like that, then go home. I don't want to hear it. I love this rivalry.
I am here for every single second of it. Your thoughts? Oh, first of all, it's not a, first of all, it's not a rivalry.
Not when you lose about 35 points. Indiana fever's on a different level than the Chicago sky. Let's get that out the way. Secondly, as much as we love angel Reese, because she is special. She's not Caitlin Clark as a player. Caitlin Clark is in a different level.
We just have to own angel. Reese can rebound the basketball. She's a damn good player. She's got a bright future in the WNBA, but Caitlin Clark is next level. That's number two, number three, Caitlin Clark's or angel Reese's popularity in large part is attributed to her behavior towards Caitlin Clark because when Caitlin Clark was busy taunting opponents a couple of years back before LSU smacked Iowa around in the national championship game. So it was angel Reese that was clapping back at Caitlin Clark. Once it was Caitlin Clark's term to have her come up. And that's what made angel Reese famous.
Now angel Reese, um, experienced vitriol thereafter. It was tough for her to deal with as she articulated. And that's unfortunate because we got some no good ass people in this world and their definition of happiness is bringing you down to the level of misery they experienced to her every day. And so that's unfortunate. But in the end, the WNBA is moving upwards. Both of those young ladies are going to be incredible contributors to the product and the brand.
The fan base should continue to love the WNBA and support the WNBA as we all do. And racial animus exists in this world. And to a lot of white people out there, I've said this on many, many occasions. If you're not one of them, no good bastards that would do something like that, feel something like that, say something like that. Nobody's talking about you.
Don't personalize it and embrace it as if black folks and other folks are lumping you with them. No, you know how to isolate. We know how to look at the Susie Schuster and say, she's a wonderful woman. She's straight up. She don't play. She don't tolerate no nonsense, but she's a damn good woman. She's been my friend for decades. I love her. I know her compared to some white woman that might be a racist. Okay. Or some white man that might be a racist compared to your husband, my buddy, rich Isaac.
It's ridiculous. We know how to decipher and distinguish the difference between no good people and people who are really, really good and loving people. And as long as we continue to be that way, those folks will be on the outside looking in, wishing they were us. We'll continue doing what we do. Steven, I love you. Love you too. Thanks for your time. Appreciate it so much. Let's go to break.
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You know, that was all the, all the guys that made it to the Superbowl teams. Are you saying you were the dead weight? Yeah. How did Chuck Knoll cut you?
What are you saying? He called me in, you know, I went into the office and brought my playbook. So I knew, you know, I was going and he couldn't have been nicer by the way. And, and you know, he was complimentary, you know, he said, you know, look, you're a tough kid, but you know, you're trying to learn the position. I had never played.
We didn't have outside linebacker in the college I played for. So it was the only position I re you know, reasonably could have played and I just didn't have, he didn't have time. He said, look, it's my first year too. So he said, I can get you down with the Eagles. The Eagles were desperate and that would have gone, you know, rental car straight down 80, you know, to the, and I, and he said it, but it's gotta be, you gotta tell me right now. And I said, I'm done. You knew what the, you didn't want to go play for the Eagles. Why?
I don't know. It was, it was a spur of the moment. I had knee problems. I was, and I was, to be honest, I was sick of football. Who was the best football player that you ever lined up with or against? Roger Staubach.
When'd you play against him? I played against Roger Staubach when I was at Youngstown State University and he was at Pensacola Naval Station doing his six year bid. Wait a minute.
This is a great story, right? You know, they do that. He graduated from Annapolis, won the Heisman, went down there and played football for six years. You're playing against the Pensacola Naval Station and then out trots Roger Staubach? Yeah.
That's not fair. He was a quarterback and these were high scoring close games. Did you rush him? Did you get him?
I tell you the truth. I, I rushed him. I got ahold of him. I spun around one time on his leg and he, and he just kept wiggling his leg free and then he threw a touchdown pass. I hit him illegally out of bounds once. I got a 15 yard penalty. And they had a guy, their middle linebacker was a guy named Lynch who was a, was a Naval boxing champion who I think his brothers played, one of his brothers played for Kansas City, the Lynch brothers. And he wanted to kill me, you know, cause they loved Roger.
Of course. So you almost started a brawl by hitting Roger Staubach out of bounds? I was just so tired of chasing him. And he, you know, he just stepped out of bounds.
And I thought, no, I'm, I've been running 25 yards now, you know, 15 yards on Ed O'Neill. Oh yeah. Hey Chris, can you come over here and get this please? Because you know, this is making me so sick to my stomach. Get over here. Adam Chudwin, thank you for ordering this Philly cheese steak, which I will never eat ever again, unless I'm in this, the city of Philadelphia.
Take that away. Cause it stinks in here. And I'm just saying you don't like the smell. No, it smells, it smells gross over here. It smells like, it smells like a locker room over here. I know what that smells like.
I'm just saying smells like a locker room. I appreciate it. Like I think it's a great idea. I think it's a great idea. I think you did appreciate it.
No, no, I so appreciate at least he got me something. Cheese steaks were on the house. I mean that was like a group thought.
It was a group thought. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. Adam's the best. Make it a pizza next time no one will be talking.
But you probably not want that either though. Oh my God. Pizza. I had it for dinner last night.
Anytime. I'll have a pizza every single day. Uh, let's take John in Texas. Hey John, how are you?
Cowboys win loss. You're ready. How's it going?
It's so good. We've got a minute to go. We're going to power through this. Are you ready? One minute.
Go fast. Here we go. Week one at Philadelphia Eagles, Thursday night.
Okay. Home for the giants. When at the bears. When home for the Packers at the jets. When at the Panthers, when home for the commanders, 36 to go at the commanders at the Broncos where Monday night cardinals at home by then the Raiders on a Monday night five week 12 Eagles law chiefs on Thanksgiving law Detroit on a Thursday law Vikings at home law chargers law at commanders when at giants when fantastic seven and 10. Is this guy even a Cowboys fan? Maybe he's a realist.
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