Tom Pelissero: There's A Chance Tyler Shough Starts Week 1 For The New Orleans Saints

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How does that sound? Tom and Tom's river. I mean, did they name the river after you? What a way to, you there, Tom? Maybe he's in the river. Is he in your van down by the river? I'm tap dancing for Tom. I put Tom back on.

The river belongs to him. Uh, Jacob in Toledo, Ohio. What's up Jacob? How you doing? What's up, sir? What's on your mind? How's everybody doing in the studio? Shout out to TJ and Brockman.

Just wanted to call him since I was five. So I just wanted to pick your guys' brains and what you thought the bears did this year in the draft. And I, on a realistic, you know, you, you see things different, rich. So I want to just pick your brain on what you think, uh, what we could do this season possibly.

Okay. First things first, Jacob. Um, you put Mike Del Tufo on a paino mind list and that's not good. Hey, Del Tufo, you're a, you're I'm a Yankee fan tuning swap to the Dodgers.

That's a whole nother day, but yes, I'm a diehard Yankee fan, but yes, cause he used to out to the Dodgers. That kind of everybody, my bag, Jacob, you should shun him, right? Shun him, rich.

That was purposely done by Jake. I'm not saying hi to Mike Del Tufo. He's a flip flopper. All right. Uh, let's take a look at the bears draft. If we have it. Listen, good draft. I know bears fans are like, wait a minute, Tyler Warren. That's all we heard about. And this Colston Loveland guy didn't do anything last year. Guess what?

Not true. There's well, I mean, there's a reason why, I mean the Michigan Michigan guy, I did want to ask you about that. How did you, how do you think Coke Loveland's gonna love it in the, in the, he's awesome. He's awesome.

Don't worry about it. Ben Johnson will know what to do. And then Luther burden being added, let's go. You already hit the offensive line significantly in, in, in, um, in free agency. And then you added a kid out of, uh, Boston college, Ozzie, Truppillo, you know what I mean? And, and, um, he's your Truppillo.

So Shamar Turner and the defensive spot, um, you know, there's, there's a, there's a ton to like, there's a ton to like with what's going on is going to be so tough this year. I don't even know. Well, that's true.

That's true, but you got, I don't even know, but that's what I want to pick your brain. What do you realistically think the bears could do? Make the playoffs, win the division, make the playoffs. There's no question about that, you know, and, and Ben Johnson knows exactly what to do on offense as you know. And, um, and so Colston Loveland wasn't chosen, I think, um, haphazardly, they knew what they were doing and we'll see, we'll see how, how he does, but I, obviously I'm very high on him and knows how to play on the call. I watched the polls and anything bears related that they spoke on him.

They said that they just loved his interviewing process and his, his pick. So same right back on him. Definitely. Thanks Jacob. Thanks for the call. You bet.

And he shunned Mike Del Tufo next level. That's not funny. You deserve hilarious.

It wasn't just funny. Hilarious. All right. You ready? Christopher? Let's go.

Let's go. Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. Hit it. That was crap. That was garbage.

That's why it sucks. Overreaction Mondays. Monday on a Tuesday. Christopher, are they good? What's up man? What up Joe? I'm not good.

You look great. Mike. Sorry. Jacob body bagged you by a caller who said hello to me and then you and TJ. And I'm like, well, you put Mike on the pay no mind list because I'm a Yankee fan and he'd left us for the Dodgers. So you got to live with your choices right now. Choices of consequences. This guy, Chris yesterday on the overreaction Monday podcast, I said, I said the Panthers were going to win the South.

Yes. I thought that was a pretty reasonable take. However, let's talk about the bucks. Rich with Baker and all the weapons, egg, Mecca, buka, and the draft, the bucks top five offense in 2025, top five offense.

We got to put the bills there as really Brandon being pointed out, they had the most points in the league last year and they got the reigning MVP. So it's, it's, it's a, it's a tall order. The changing offensive coordinators again, that's a tall order.

Bucky Irving year two. I'm with you. I hear you.

God went back from injury. I know Evans. I think people sleep on Kate Otten. Hey, really productive down the stretch. Correct. Correct. We have Jason light on tomorrow's program. Rashad white's still there.

Jason white is tuning in right now. I think this is a brilliant idea. Great. But otherwise I think it's an overreaction. What else? Chris Richie just mentioned the bills bills didn't do enough this off season to improve the offense for Josh Allen Hoskins.

You know, I'm right. What did they do? What did they do on offense to support Josh Allen? They kept everybody. They kept everybody. What did they do?

They had a Josh Palmer. Cool, bro, bro. Running back wants out. That that's a problem. Guess where he's not going out. So I, I, I, I can't take this cheese again and I won't, I won't do it. I won't do it.

Chris. We wound up apologizing to Bill's mafia on this program. Thankfully they accepted the apology. Normally, you know, they're, they've got long memories, bro. We apologized to the Buffalo bills. We were, we, I don't know.

I mean, I'll do respect Coleman Palmer. Is it knocking my socks off? Guess who the, guess who's socks they knocked off last year? Oh, I missed the parade down Niagara Falls.

Did that happen? This guy. It's if you don't want to pray, then it doesn't have a parade. They're winning the division. They're going to be my choice to win the division. I'm I'm, I'm off the train. I've, one day one day this broken clock is going to be right. Oh yes.

Which clock is that? It tends to say what, what I'm going to put my marker on somebody's reign ending and it will finally be right. I did it for the chiefs and said the Raiders are going to win the division.

Honestly, it's a top five worst take ever, which is also the Miami heat should not trade for Giannis. So maybe that's going to happen. Hold on a second. Okay. Hold on a second. I had no idea.

That's a part of that beer. Okay. Get out of here. Overreaction. Not taking it. Plus I want, I don't want Brendan being calling this program and yelling at us.

I don't know. I mean, he was very aggressive on the radio. I like it. I like GMs gone wild. Jason lied on Wednesday. Let's need on Thursday. Stay tuned.

I'm going to piss them all off one by one. GMs gone. I was big in the early 2000s. We're finding a spot for how big in the 2000s Chris the Steelers are playing a dangerous game.

A quarterback. I said this yesterday and I'm going to stand by this. Will Howard's going to start multiple games in Pittsburgh this year. No, you won't. Now he won't. You think Aaron Rogers is going to, if he does go there, which we have no idea.

We literally don't know. He was 90% retired before he joined the Jets. Right. Got hurt.

Yes. And then whatever that was last year. And now we're just kind of sitting around. He did not miss games last year. He just missed receivers. Here coach. Well done. Will Howard won a national championship and was a very productive quarterback in K-State.

Yes. And then there's Mason Rudolph, who this team has now gotten rid of multiple times. Multiple games.

And brought back. By the way, Mason Rudolph finished his season and they made the playoffs and he played better than Trubisky did in any part of his tenure. You could make the case that the best month of the season, the Steelers have seen from a quarterback in the last few years was Mason Rudolph.

When they handed him a mop at the end of a game in Indianapolis, I was calling on NFL network and said, fix the Trubisky pass. And he played well enough for them to finish the season on a nice upswing. But he's not a full season guy. So if Rogers does miss a two, three, four game stretch, it'll be Mason Rudolph and they're going to let this kid marinate. Multiple games is a tall order and an overreaction.

Man, I rejected you quite a bit on the pod. Yeah, I know. Let's get that one right.

Well, it may not be this one. I know you love this guy, Rich, but when I look about what's going on in Minnesota, the Vikings should have gotten more J.J. McCarthy insurance than Sam Howell. All due respect. Well, first of all, with all due respect, you needed to say that first before you disrespected my guy. I was I'm actually disrespecting Sam Howell. All right.

Then I'll flip it on you. Give me give give me the guy who. That's the Aaron Rodgers spot. We don't know McCarthy is going to be ready to go.

We haven't seen him. He looked great in a half of a preseason game, not insurance. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is a bridge quarterback, meaning J.J. McCarthy doesn't play right. J.J. McCarthy is ready to play. How do we know that? He just spoke again.

He looked very healthy and looked like his weight is back to where it needs to be. It's April 29th. It's April. It's April. We don't know medically.

We don't know. I want to see actual injuries all the time. And if he isn't playing well and gets hurt again, different story, you're going Sam Howell with a team that won how many games last year? Fourteen. How many Sam's do you need to see show up there to have their career turns around? They they are expert one extra in a rehabilitating quarterbacks named Sam's. Sam Ellinger available. Keep naming Sam Elliott. I don't know Sam Elliott. I was great. I was going with actual quarterbacks.

I was really you don't think how it's going to show up. Do you need Jordan Palmer to come on this show and say don't sleep on Sam Howell if he gets a chance? Yes.

OK, yes, we're going to we'll do that. That's the only thing that's going to change my mind. Rogers is not insurance. Rogers is taking the year.

Rogers isn't going somewhere to be insurance. Kirk Cousins is a possible insurance there to say we're going to only have a certain length of a lack of a better phrase leash for J.J. McCarthy. And I understand if McCarthy doesn't work out, Sam Howell is potentially a steep decline. I understand where you're going with this one, but I'm asking who else would there have been for you? They could have drafted someone.

Really, why would they do that? Because McCarthy is the guy that they drafted last year, 10th overall, it's time it's immediately has a knee injury. OK, it's time.

And he's going to be really good. And I don't want to hear anything more about it. I have spoken to use the Mandalorian phrase. What else?

You're wearing scold. This is the way we hit on this at the top of the show. So I think you might actually agree with me here.

I didn't know we were going to start the show like that when I wrote this last night. But hey, Tyler, Chuck's going to be the Saints week one starting quarter. I don't think that's an overreaction at all, buddy. I don't think it's an overreaction. I heard Derek Carr speaking at his church yesterday, so I just didn't know if that kind of changed anything. You know, I think Derek Carr is done there.

Saying that he had an MRI. And again, Tom Posner is going to join us shortly and I will try and get it. You know, as you know, information, men and women do not speak in absolutes. There's always plans. There's always appears to be.

There's always, you know, some phrasing that allows for the unexpected to become the reality of it. But I'm going to see from everything I'm hearing Derek Carr and the Saints are finished with one another. The only thing that would cause them to not be finished with one another is they've paid Derek Carr.

And they would like some starts maybe for their money. But I think Tyler Shuck is going to be the quarterback starting week one, bud. And good for him. He was the one who came on here and said, I'm the most pro ready quarterback in the draft. And I'm the one with the most pro experience of anyone here at the draft because I've been injured. I've been cut. I've been told to go somewhere else.

I have been hired to go somewhere else. I you know, he didn't use these phrases, but that's what's basically is in college football now. He's had different coordinators. He's gone to different stops. He's had to learn different playbooks. Does that sound like somebody like Jalen Hurts? When I interviewed him prior to the Super Bowl, I'm like, you're going to have another offensive coordinator next year, it seems. And you've had nothing but different offensive coordinators. And he said, tell me about it, said the reigning MVP of the Super Bowl. So this wouldn't surprise me at all. Not an overreaction, Chris.

Thank you, Mitch. A couple NBA ones real quick. I think the Cavs just scored like 83 more points. Heat culture is dead. It's time for Miami to move on from Pat Riley. Wow.

Do you really believe this? Oh, yeah. I mean, it should have got rid of him years ago, honestly. What are they doing? I'm not ready to say he's lost his touch. He's fumbled the bag on acquiring superstars and keeping them in Miami the last, what, since LeBron left?

I don't know, man. Like I said, you know, in our previous segment, if this was Nico Harrison, we would be blowing him up. You let Jimmy Butler walk, your team makes the playoffs only to get blown out and you don't have your first round draft choice, right? They don't have 11th overall now. Pretty big blunder.

Not great, but I can't sit here and say he's lost his touch. I won't do that. You can, but I won't.

But I understand what I accept this in the spirit in which it's intended. Thank you. What else? Last one. And Rich, this goes back to what your point was. Years ago, that take is hot.

I still, I might need to, you know, have an icy hot here tonight. We'll be honest. His last game with the bucks. So this means what he will force a trade they lose and he's out.

What do you mean? Where he says, I, I, yeah, he's going to ask for, he's going to demand a trade this summer to where I think that makes the most sense. I mean, ESPN is already pushing the Lakers narrative.

Oh, pair him with Luca. Cool. Yeah, obviously. I think that makes the most sense is OKC. They got all the draft capital in the world.

You could flip Chet and one of the Jaylen Williams is take your pick. They have two of them and they four or five number ones flip it to Milwaukee. They get a chance to rebuild and now you got Shay and Giannis and then Lou door to whoever else. And then they can make a title run with their two big superstars.

I'll buy it. I don't think it's an overreaction. We've seen crazier things happen. We have certainly with Dame, not going to be there next year or an Achilles injury. And Giannis is, you know, that's how Dame got to Milwaukee in the first place. Giannis was like, I need more superstars to win here.

Or I might be, you know, there were the Miami rumors, golden state rumors. And so now I think now it's done. How about this one?

They should never have gotten rid of your room ever. I don't know. I mean, dude, not quite a superstar on James level, but that would be I thought that would be, you know, catnip for you right there. I mean, look, he's he was from Boston, but he was, you know, the fifth guy. He's a I get it. But what he does is unseen. Sure.

It doesn't show up in stat lines. Agreed. He wasn't a superstar like Dame was, though. I agree with you on that front.

Obviously, you know, the Dame Milwaukee experiment. Right. You know, big disappointment. And the thing that stands out about him, and I think you'll agree with this, TJ, is Drew Holliday was a Celtic Olympian who actually played. I mean, he did. He did get some minutes.

You know what I mean? But someone who Steve Kerr said on the bench, I'll plan you. But now he's out, though. So, like, maybe he should.

This guy's the worst. Look, I mean, one didn't even make it. I didn't say one made it because Kawhi got hurt. True. One made it and didn't didn't really play much. And I cannot wait for Celtics Knicks.

I mean, Drew Holliday played because it is going to be embarrassing. It happens to the Knicks. Oh, baby. I really love this show. And sometimes on this program, the fruit hangs solo. It's so easy for me to do it.

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So, yes, very solid work. Well, I mean, you know, when you come on the show, I get full of focus from you. When Rappaport comes on the show, he's constantly looking at his phone. So maybe when that happens the next time, one of you guys can just text him Poyos to his phone and see how he reacts.

Kind of like how Brockman and TJ will text me during my segment every single week just to see if they'll look at my iPad. Do you do that? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I'm about to do it right now.

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You're sending him? That's not usually the end. Usually it's at the end of the segment. No, no, no, no.

I feel like it's throughout. Why do you do that? Frank texting.

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I just got pretty consistent with all the other photos. Leave that alone. I'm trying to get him to pay attention.

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Call click ranger.com or just stop by. Tom Pellis arrow has stopped by. Tom, the story of the draft, which one you could choose one to tell the story of the 2025 NFL draft. It might be the obvious one.

It might not be. You're the one who has all these stories coming across. What do you got for me, Tom? Listen, there were a bunch of unique stories. You know, you had multiple future first round picks moved in trades on day one, which is, you know, clearly not something that we saw over the past year. You had, you know, the Giants taking Abdul Carter than moving up for Jackson Dart. But I think that, you know, when we're thinking back on this, at least for the next couple of years, it's all going to come down to who went number 144 overall.

There were a lot of different layers to the shadow or Sanders story. Um, you know, I was not surprised he didn't go in round one. I was surprised that no one took him on day two. Um, but at the same time, you know, the NFL tends to render its verdict on the quarterback position in general this year, the verdict was as we thought going in this beyond cam ward was not a very good quarterback class.

He saw the giants again, come back in for dark. He saw Tyler shot go in the second round, but Jalen Millro not going until the late third. Um, there were guys like Quinn, yours have won a lot of football games ending up going in the seventh. Um, we would probably talked about those things more if not for Shadoor Sanders, uh, coming all the way down to the fifth round where he ends up not only not being one of the first six picks by the Browns in the draft, but not even the first quarterback that they took. And again, we can get into all different angles of this, but I think the fundamental lesson here, rich was as much as from a media perspective, there was this kind of debate throughout the pre draft process of cam war versus Shadoor Sanders.

I would just tell you going all the way back to before the combine within the league, that was not really the case within the league. It was cam ward draw line and then shuffle the deck between the next three or four guys. Obviously she or Sanders ended up being the one who was shuffled out and we'll see what his story holds now in the midst of a very, very unique depth chart that he's now on in Cleveland. Third day, man, that one's just tough to understand. Third day, that's really tough to understand, you know, and uh, first night I get it. Second night, uh, I'm wondering if anything that's playing into it has to do with, as I said on Friday night, teaching the Sanders family a lesson, maybe concern that Dion would be lording over someone's job if it didn't work out. Uh, I, I, I don't know what, what, why, why did he fall to day three based on your knowledge reporting? Because again, you had all those, um, you know, unnamed folks in your must read pre draft tome is the only way to put it on nfl.com about the quarterbacks and top players in the draft.

What's your opinion of the day threeness of it all? Well, let's start with this. Philosophically, there's a lot of NFL teams that believe if you think you're getting a franchise quarterback, do you think you're getting a starter? You take them in round one and value be damned.

Don't worry if you had them great as a low one, a mid one and you take them up at the top or whatever. If you think you're getting a franchise quarterback, you take them in a first. Now at the same time, philosophically, those teams also believe that if you think you're getting a backup caliber player, if it's not a surefire starting quarterback, you don't take them in the second or third because at what other position would you draft a backup player with that type of a premium draft pick where you can get a starter and somebody who's going to be able to help you at another position.

And you saw that kind of divide this year. Again, you had cam war go on Jackson dart goes late one after the giants trade back up and in Tyler shut goes at the top of two. But that's really because the saints maybe didn't value him as the number nine pick, but if they're picking a bit at the end of the first, they probably feel comfortable taking Tyler shock. And then you had this big gap until Dylan Gabriel and Jalen Milro end up going late third down and like that compensatory pick area. Again, that's kind of the spread that you a lot of times get just because teams don't want to take a guy to be their backup quarterback with a pick that they could get somebody who could be plug and play and help them in another position right now. And again, I go back to, I remember you asked me the question before the draft rich of, okay, you know, what's the debate over who will be QB three. And I said, the real debate is QB two, three, four, five, because it was cam ward was the one guy who profile as a starter. And then you got different opinions about Shidor Jackson, dark Tyler shock and Jalen Miller. And those four guys were in different orders on everybody's draft board. I would say this too.

And I do it every year. I talked to dozens of coaches and scouts and front office people and try to build the full tapestry because the quarterback position, it is subjective on some levels. One person's not going to see it the same way. And in past draft classes, you know, I remember last year I had people telling me there were multiple people who said Jayden Daniels for me is over Caleb Williams, even go back to, and again, some of these are right.

Some of these are wrong. There were people saying Zach Wilson, I would take Zach Wilson based on his final year tape over Trevor Lawrence. There was nobody who was arguing that I spoke to for Shidor Sanders over cam ward is the number one quarterback in this draft.

Our colleague Bucky Brooks was adamant. He had to miss this number one quarterback Mel Kiper Jr. Who's the godfather had him as the number one quarterback and obviously made a point during ESPN draft coverage of why he felt like Shidor should have been going. But that was just not an opinion that I heard within the league. In fact, I had more people, at least one or two tell me they'd argue for maybe Jackson Dart over cam ward, just based upon the total body of work, based on the physical traits, how they see them fitting into an NFL offense. So right there, that was part of the tell to me that Shidor maybe could go in the first, but when you really got down to draft day, it was all right, it's the giants, maybe the Steelers or else somebody's got to trade up or Shidor is going to slide. Then once you got beyond round one, you know, part of the reason sometimes you get guys drafted in the second third rounds are because you have teams that don't need a quarterback and they just go, hey, this name, you know, as you're looking at your board stack horizontally, we got all these guys here and then there's this one guy at quarterback. We don't need a quarterback, but how are we not going to take that guy? You know, how are we not going to take a quarterback? It's like when the Eagles took Jalen Hurts, we got Carson Wentz, we feel great about him, but gosh, we think this Jalen Hurts might be something.

So let's take them at the end of the second. I think that's where when you really unwind the process with Shidor Sanders, there were maybe some decisions that were made and opportunities that were missed that could have had him come off the board a little bit sooner. In fact, I talked late Friday night, it was like midnight in Green Bay, and I got a call from a GM who was thinking about taking Shidor on Saturday and we were just kind of talking through, you know, how is this even possible? He pointed all the way back to something that Deion said on a podcast in like February or March of 2024, which was the infamous, hey, if Shidor or Travis Hunter, they get taken by a team that I don't think they should go to, we're going to pull an Eli, right?

We're going to blow it up and we're going to get them out of there. And that's kind of how Shidor, who did not hire an agent, he was getting advised by his father, he was getting advised maybe by a publicist, but he did not have an agent navigating the process. He kind of approached it like Deion had all those decades ago. You know, it was all the famous Deion quotes about, you know, I thought I was scared Detroit was going to draft me, I would ask for so much money, they would have to put me on layaway. The Giants gave me this huge book, this test, and I said, what pick do you have, 10?

I'm not taking all that. Shidor went into this process and very much seemed like it was I'm going to dictate where I go rather than the league dictating to me. And I say this as objectively as I possibly can, Rich. The league's verdict was Shidor was not a good enough prospect as a player to be able to proceed that way. And I don't mean that on a personal level. It was a matter of because some of these interviews went as badly as they did, because he seemed to have more interest in just a few teams than other teams, there were some I'm sure general managers, scouts, coaches, there were a lot of people that told me they were turned off by the process. Those are the very people that once Shidor gets out of the first second round, they might have had a third-ground grade on the guy.

And it's like, we didn't have a good experience. In other words, he didn't answer some of those questions, whether as a player or a person, there were questions other teams had that never got answered. So on that level, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that he ends up going, albeit in the fifth round, to one of the teams that did get the work. The Browns did have him in on a visit.

They did get to spend the additional time with him. And for all that said, Rich, if Shidor wants to play sooner than later, I can't think of a better place he could have landed than Cleveland. You've got a depth chart right now where they have Joe Flacco who they gave like $3 million guaranteed to. They traded a fifth-round pick for Kenny Pickett. They took Dylan Gabriel in the third.

They take to Shidor in the fifth. And Deshaun Watson who's making more money than all those guys combined probably doesn't play this year. There's not a lot of examples of a fifth-round pick ending up starting. Obviously Sam Howell got his opportunity after his draft slide a few years ago in Washington.

But in a pretty wide open depth chart, why wouldn't Shidor Sanders have the opportunity to prove to everybody to the extent that he may have, you know, felt like he got downgraded unfairly through the process? I'm going to go out and show you. You're going to have the opportunity now in Cleveland.

Let's see what he does with it. So you know that, you know, front-loaded my next question about what happens in Cleveland. So let me just finish up with this one and then ask you some other questions about the draft. Yes, you're saying, okay, great spot for him to land in Cleveland, except they passed on him six times and unbelievably traded a fifth-round pick to get him, meaning after letting him fall all those rounds, suddenly woke up with a sense of urgency to go get him in the fifth round to jump a line, maybe presumably for Philadelphia to go grab him. So I ask you, you know, that does lend some credence that there might've been an ownership thumb on the scale to say, go get him, you know, make sure you get him. So suddenly we're going to use our last draft choice to go move up to get him after spending six draft choices on other people, including another rookie quarterback.

I mean, that could have been part of the plan. Let's get two rookies in the draft. What's your reporting? Did Jimmy Haslam tell him go do this? Did that happen? In real time, as I was talking to people after the Shidor Sanders pick, it was made abundantly clear to me, Rich, this was not Jimmy Haslam pushing for this pick. This was Andrew Berry doing what a lot of GMs do as you get further in the draft.

It's that one name that you've got the higher grade on and he's still on the board. And eventually you're just like, well, we don't have a need at the position. Certainly the Browns have a broader macro need at the position, but like we already drafted a guy, we signed a guy, we traded for Kenny Pickett. Why would we do this? But if you've got, and I don't know their exact grade on them, they obviously didn't have a high enough grade on him to take him over Dylan Gabriel, who they got in the third or over those other six picks, but it's fair to say they had a high enough grade that why would you not take another bite at the apple?

And that's really what this comes down to, Rich. Certainly on one hand, the Browns have now signed themselves up for an off season of chaos. They have lived it with Deshaun Watson for the last several years. They lived it this year with Miles Garrett.

They're used to it. I don't think that Kevin Stefanski is probably wild about the idea of yet another quarterback controversy overshadowing everything that's going on. But at the same time, on the flip side of it, when you are taking a quarterback in the mid rounds, you're doing it based on traits. None of these guys are surefire starters.

If they were, they would have gotten drafted up high in the draft with Dylan Gabriel. He's really, really accurate, but he's short. He's like my height and there's real questions about, OK, a guy was that productive at the college level. Everybody's bigger. Everybody's faster. How can he function?

They clearly liked him. He's like the best comp that I would give you, Rich, is he's like a mini to a tongue of Aloha. Can he go and function at the NFL level? We're going to find out. With Chidoor, you have accuracy.

You have toughness. You have a guy who has been a part of building up a couple of programs, but not the biggest arm, not the biggest guy. He is not an elite athlete like his dad was. And then you've obviously got all these other questions about the type of culture shock that he's in for when he's going to be dropped into an NFL building where for the first time since he was a kid, his dad's not his coach and the accountability structures are going to be different. But if this is just a matter of lottery tickets, which are what mid-round quarterbacks are, buy the second ticket when it's on cheap and see what you get. If your worst case scenario here, Rich, with drafting Chidoor, besides, again, having immense amounts of media attention and scrutiny over how you now proceed at the quarterback position. But your worst case scenario is Chidoor comes in, he doesn't play well, and you cut him and you're out a fifth round pick. The upside is a guy who we were talking about until draft days. This guy gave me the third overall pick in the draft.

And maybe you fall into your future starting quarterback. I think this all goes back, Rich, to what they did at number two, which was up until those last couple of days when we started hearing Jacksonville was really pushing hard. That was a surprise. I was struck by how many people when I was texting people within the league that night and asking them for the biggest surprise around one, which is something, an exercise I do every year.

Hey, what was the biggest surprise? The number of people who said, I couldn't believe the Browns got that much for the number two pick. They got the quarterback premium without a second quarterback on the board. That to me said, you got an extra first round pick in 2026. That is supposed to be a much better quarterback draft. You're going to have Arch Manning quite possibly in that draft, Doolar from Penn State quite possibly within that draft, Carson Beck, who we were talking about as a potential first round pick back in that pool.

You're going to have, and this can all change over the next year as we well know, but you're going to have potentially more options. So now the Browns not only have the ammunition to go up and get their quarterback in 2026, they're now taking two shots this year, three if you count Kenny Pickett to just go, let's put all these guys in the room, a former first round pick, a guy who was projected to be a first round pick and a guy who started more games than anybody in college football history. Let's see what happens in training camp. And it's going to be one of the driving storylines all through the spring and summer.

Two minutes I have left here. Derek Carr, what's the deal? Is he done with the Saints? They done with him even though they paid him?

I mean, what happens, Tom? Well they did a conversion on his salary earlier this off season, which you would not think is something they would do unless either A, they had to because he was hurt or B, because they saw no reason he wouldn't be their quarterback. There's now almost $60 million in dead money if they move on from Derek Carr and they owe him $40 million guaranteed this year. We saw Derek Carr at a church service delivering a sermon of sorts about how he's being persecuted about his shoulder injury and whether it's real.

He says, I've got an MRI to prove it. What we know as of now is Derek Carr is debating whether or not to undergo shoulder surgery, which would knock him out for most, if not all of the 2025 season. He also is due all that money and Kellen Moore is the guy who's on the phone with Tyler Shuck at the top of the second round, bringing in a guy who you can argue about different guys and the comparisons with picks, but there's a lot of people who think if a guy's going to step in and just function day one on all the quarterbacks in this class, it's Tyler Shuck. So we'll see where this goes now from Derek Carr, but there is certainly a non-trivial chance, Rich, that we're sitting here week one and getting ready to watch Tyler Shuck be one of the rookie quarterbacks that are starting an opener. Interesting. And the Kittle signing, is that a breadcrumb for Purdy?

What's going on? Well, we'll see the full details on the George Kittle contract. He's 31 years old. A lot of times when you do a deal like this, it's really a one-year extension that gives a raise this year and then tax on a couple of additional seasons, allowing him to stay under team control and renegotiate. That was an ongoing process, you know, in a year where obviously they move on from Deebo and there's still lingering questions about what version of Christian McCaffrey you're going to have coming back, what version, if at all, you have of Brandon Iuke in the early portion of the season.

Kittle, all injuries aside, because he battled through a lot last year, he's a guy that you know you can count on. This doesn't really bear on the Brock Purdy situation. What I would tell you on Purdy is they've been in negotiations. They have been in talks. They continue to move forward. Purdy is there.

He is working out with the team. He chose to be around even though there's this ongoing situation involving his contract. I would certainly anticipate, and I know I've said it before on this show, Rich, when this deal gets done, I mean it's not going to be the Puka Nakua podcast number of 40-something million dollars. This is going to be right there in the 50s probably with Brock Purdy. They've made very clear that they want Brock Purdy to be the long-term quarterback solution in San Francisco.

They're not close. Nothing's imminent from my understanding here, but certainly this is a deal that I would anticipate that all parties have a vested interest in getting done before we get to training camp. Great job this weekend as always, Tom. We'll see you next week.

Thanks for the time, brother. When Kramer is hitting golf balls at the beach and George is dating this girl pretending to be a marine biologist and walking on the beach and then saves a whale on the beach, we're shooting the episode, okay? We're shooting it. I don't know the schedule that week, but let's say we're shooting it on Wednesday. It's Tuesday. We don't have the golf ball goes into the blowhole of the whale.

We don't have it. No, it was never in the script. It was the night before. It was the night before we shot the scene with Jason in the coffee shop. I said to Larry, hey, what if what puts the whale in distress is Kramer's golf ball? He's hitting golf balls at the beach.

George is walking on the beach with the girl. We haven't connected them. We saw no connection the night before. We write that speech the night before two o'clock in the morning. But the sea was angry.

The sea was angry that day, my friend. We show up the next day. We hand Jason, who's a effing genius. We hand Jason that speech. How long is that speech? It's a page, two pages.

Yes. You walk up. This is TV. OK, this is why film sucks. You walk to up to a TV actor like Jason and you hand him two and a half pages. And I go, we've got to shoot this in a half hour. Memorize it.

He goes, no problem. That's TV. That's TV. That line.

No, no preciousness. And he did when I here's here's I got a nugget for you, please. So when Jason is doing the speech, there's one shot.

There's one cut to me with my eyes, my eyebrows. I'm watching him. You think I'm reacting to the story. I'm reacting. I can't believe he's getting this speech word perfect.

That is what I'm thinking. I'm not even in the scene. I'm not acting. I'm just watching Jason get the speech right in front of a live audience.

OK, it's not film and film movies. You screw it up and we'll do it again. In TV, this live audience is going to hear this speech for the first time once, once. So you want those juicy laughs.

They're hearing these jokes the first time and he's getting it perfect. That is why I have that look on my face. I think it's easy. Big fella. Yeah.

Like an old man returning to back in the deli. And how Jewish is that joke? But then the ultimate the ultimate is the cherry on top of Kramer saying, is it a titleist? As if it could be someone else's golf ball that got put into the blowhole. Well, that's a golfer, right? Yes, that's a golf. It was a golf aficionado question.

Like it could be someone else's golf ball. Yeah. I mean, mine is a titleist to going up the chain at Titleist that morning, getting someone at Titleist to let us say Titleist. Oh, wow.

You have to do that. We're biting our nails is Titleist. It has to be Titleist. It's the funny golf ball. Titleist is funny.

And then the call comes in. Titleist is cool. Titleist is cool. Larry and I are just like, yes. Happy 71st birthday to one of our favorite guests ever. Wow.

Jerry Seinfeld turns the big seven one today. Well, that's awesome. Absolutely. No doubt about it.

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I'm saying unready and just in case of emergency. Guess what? He spoke today and was asked about being ready as a starting quarterback in the NFL.

Here's his answer. I know I'm ready to start. I appreciate that question, Kevin, because all the work I put in and just the confidence in my skills and abilities and just being able to do my job and simple, simplified things to, you know, the best of my ability every single day. And, you know, just take it one day at a time, one play at a time.

And, you know, I have a tremendous coaching staff, a tremendous group of guys around me that I can lean on and they can lean on me. You know what? I must say, I don't care. I know I'm a homer. You know, I'm a homer. I'm about to say a homer thing. Oh, I'm not really surprised.

To be honest with you. We are going to talk about McCarthy and O'Connell as the quarterback coach combination up there with anybody else. That's what we're going to talk about. Belcher and Rady? That's a big one.

No, currently in the NFL. Okay. Wow. Read Mahomes.

We're talking three rings. I got it. Read Mahomes. Right.

And you're talking Sirianni Hertz, right? What else are we talking about here? Harbaugh and Herbert? The McVeigh Stafford Super Bowl.

Okay. We're talking about that? We're talking about Sean Pegg and Bo Nix right now on the verge, right?

They're on the upswing. Shanahan and Purdy. Mr. Hydration himself. Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love.

Sidor and Kevin Stefanski. Okay. There you go. I'm telling you one day. Have your fun. I'm not having fun. I'm being serious in a few years.

Daniel Antua. They're going to be wearing on with McCarthy and O'Connell. They're going to be wearing purple on St. Patrick's Day in Minnesota. You know, Brockman and I are JJ fans too. I know that. Yeah. I know that. Yeah. I'm a big fan.

I just wish they would have done more to kind of. Kevin O'Connell is a prime grade A play caller, coach, quarterback whisperer. This kid in his hands. I appreciate the question. Understand it. Okay.

Let's go. Guy's a winner. He is a winner and he can throw it and he can identify it. He's got great neg up ability.

You can talk about his abilities as a quarterback physically. Fine. Okay.

I'm excited for him. I'm excited for the Vikings and I, I understand the question. I understand the overreaction Monday on a Tuesday subject matter that they, they need a little bit more backup. The safety net isn't stitched as tightly as it can be. I understand. I appreciate the question, Chris.

That was my point, but he's ready and the coach is ready and together wonder twin powers activate. That's what I'm talking about. I'm skull clapping and look at the color.

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