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That's right, everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show back here in Los Angeles, California after 257 draft picks on NFL network, three shows for us right here on the Rich Eisen Show on the Roku Sports Channel and Infinity Sports Network and Sirius XM and Odyssey in Wisconsin. It was a great run last week, an awesome draft. Thrilled to be here. We're going to review it with you, 844-204 Rich.
Number to dial, call us. What did you think about your team's draft? What did you think about the draft overall? Happy to take your phone calls and chit chat with you, as I'm going to do with Dan Orlovsky of ESPN and Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated.
And our guy, Mike Mayock, is going to review the draft with us. Good to see you over there, Chris Brockman. How are you? Rich, I'm excellent. How are you, man? The Overreaction Monday podcast, Chris and I just recorded it.
So we just did that after the draft is all over. It should be in your RSS feeds. Your podcast inbox is also right there on the Rich Eisen Show YouTube channel, closing in on 525,000 subscribers and growing. Good to see you over there, DJ Mikey D. How are you, Mike Del Tufo? Good to see you, brother. And good to see you, TJ Jefferson.
Candle is lit. How are you? I'm great, Rich. You know, yesterday I realized while driving my work week last week considered of watching and talking about WrestleMania and then watching and talking about the NFL draft. And I was like, man, what a life, man. Knock on wood if you're with me, as John Gruden once upon a time famously said.
All right, let's start. Fortunate to be able to do the NFL draft on NFL Network, 22 drafts now and counting. I've seen a lot. I have seen a ton.
I've seen players sue their way into the National Football League, attempt and get drafted anyway. I've seen, what else have I seen? I've seen crazy draft trades, crazy draft nights. Rumors. Let me just say this. I don't think I've ever in a million years thought that I would ever see.
How about that? I never in a million years thought I'd ever see a draft night blown up on social media by somebody trying to do somebody so dirty they put a video of their Pineapple Express bong mask out there. Never thought I'd see that. Followed up by direct messages of Laramie Tunsell with Ole Miss about trying to set him up with rent and electricity and all that. I mean, that was the craziest draft moment in the first round of a draft I've ever seen.
But in terms of an entirety second one to second last, pick one through Mr. Irrelevant, I've never seen a draft journey and I don't think I ever will see a crazier one again than the one of Shadore Sanders. If you had told me that Shadore Sanders would go 143 picks after Cam Ward, if you had told me that a guy who throughout the entire draft process was considered by many knowledgeable evaluators as a top five pick would wind up a fifth round pick, I would have told you you're out of your mind. And sure enough, Shadore Sanders, who we spent much of Friday's show talking about because he slipped through the first round, slipped through the second day. Nobody used a second or a third round pick on him. And then he slipped through the fourth round. And at that point in time, I'm thinking that the NFL's lost its mind.
I really was. Listen, the number of times, and I said this on Thursday night after he wasn't drafted, and then Friday night after he wasn't drafted. But certainly on Friday night after he wasn't drafted, the number of times you've seen somebody drafted in the NFL talent over everything, when the everything would fill up an amusement park with the number of red flags surrounding this prospect and somebody drafted him anyway. I've lost track. I've lost count. And this is young man's transgression, apparently, was being unprofessional in meetings, being unprepared in meetings. That does count for something. It counts for everything in many job interviews. And this is a job interview. OK, like if you show up to a job interview with somebody unprepared and uncaring, you're not going to get hired.
Nor should you. And so that makes sense. When it's normally a business where that stuff counts, and it does count in the NFL, but so many other times your talent doesn't matter what you've done. Hey, you can help me win games. You're hired and we'll deal with it because you've learned from your past. You've learned from this.
Again, I've lost track and this kid's transgression has nothing to do with anything that would show up on a back page or heaven forbid, a front page of a newspaper. I couldn't believe it. He's a fifth round draft choice. And teams are are are passing up on him one after the other after the other. Oh, and oh, he's got a dad like LeVar Ball. Deion Sanders is now suddenly LeVar Ball. OK, I got it. Like, well, LeVar Ball, I got it. I got it. I got it.
Like LeVar, LeVar had what he he averaged one one point a game when he started when he was playing at any level. Right. OK. And and and he's just going to be a helicopter dad and he's going to blow up your your franchise. And this kid's going to have cameras in the locker room and he's going to blow everything up as if this isn't the NFL, where head coaches like Belichick just suck all the oxygen out of the draft, out of the press room or the locker room and can tell you you're not being able to talk to my player. Mike Tauman, if they had drafted Chidoor there, couldn't have told him, yeah, the cameras aren't coming in. And you know who would have backed off right away? Chidoor. And you know who would have told Chidoor to back off right away?
His dad. All those arguments about Chidoor not being draftable because of, you know, Dion saying, you know, Dion's prime video reality shows is a sign of the team that didn't draft him, their weakness. It's your team. It's your locker room. You run it. And you don't respect that. A guy who runs his team the way he sees fit by telling all the kids who he's inherited when he takes the job, bring your Louis Vuittons because you're packing up out of here and you're going to up out of here. And guess what?
I'm going to retire my son's number. I don't care what you say about it. I just couldn't, I'd like slip through the first round.
I get slipped through the second day. All right. Now, now you're going to have to explain to me what you're thinking. And, and again, if you're the Giants and you're like, I'd rather trade up for Jackson Dart because I like his tape. And I also don't want to deal with the other stuff that I'm concerned about with, with, with Chidor.
I'd rather work with one kid over the other. Then it's on Chidor because he didn't either come prepared for a meeting or he was uninterested in a meeting. I'm not saying it was with the Giants, but if any other teams passed up on a menu, it's on you.
It's on Chidor. And it's Tate. Second night.
All right. You know, the Saints, what they like Tyler Shuck better than him. Well, I, I look forward to seeing, you know, Tyler Shuck prove that they did the right thing. Then we met him and he's got that chip on his shoulder too. And the Seattle Seahawks, they liked Milro more than this kid. And the team that drafted him like Dylan Gabriel more than him.
Okay. Now that one, we're going to actually see a competition about if that's right or not. But then the fourth round, I mean, he was passing up on this kid in the fourth round, the fourth round. Daniel Jeremiah nailed every, every single one of his top 100 got drafted. Every one of them.
Perfect 100 for 100. Not in the order, but he just shows you. He knows talent. Chidor was number 20 on his draft board. 20.
Okay. Being drafted in the fifth round. I didn't see that one coming. And I don't, I don't, it's a mixture of, they didn't like the tape. They didn't like the kid. They didn't like this. They didn't like that. But through to day three, I've never seen anything like it.
Nothing like it. And then on top of it, he gets pranked. He gets pranked by a, uh, an Ole Miss kid who got the number from the defensive coordinator of the Atlanta Falcons kid.
Snaked it off his dad's iPad. So he gets pranked. And to Chidor's credit, he was, he was not moping. He wasn't, I'm sure he was thoroughly disappointed. I'm sure he was stunned that he got pranked on a, on a phone that only NFL teams had access to.
I'm sure that sucked. But for anyone out there, who's like Chidor needed to be taught a lesson and has had everything spoonful, fed to him by his dad. Well, this is the laboratory in which that theory will be tested because he's going to have to compete.
And again, this is the other crazy part of this. Chidor doesn't get drafted in the top five. He gets drafted in the fifth round. He's 143 picks separated from Cam Ward and a darn near almost a half dozen other prospects at the position taken before him. And a team he winds up on, already drafted a quarterback before him and passed up on drafting his all world Heisman trophy teammate to start the draft. So the team that says, yeah, Travis Hunter is Otani, but I mean, we're, we need more picks. So we'll take one next year and move down and take an outstanding defensive lineman. That team could have had both and winds up after everything else, after passing up on him six times, it's like more shots than Don Corleone, absorbed, right?
Passed up on him six times, traded their final draft pick of the draft in the fifth round to trade up a few spots to beat the Eagles, apparently to Chidor Sanders. And then, you know, the coach and the GM, like when they showed the shot of them celebrating, you know, some teams they're all hugging. You see, they're, they're hugging, right? They're hugging everybody.
Remember the Lions and then you see the, the Eagles, the Niners, they're all, honestly, a fifth round pick. They're just hugging it out. Like they just won the lottery. And the coach and the GM, I, I wanted them to hold up a copy of the plane deal to see if it was, if they were alive on that day.
They said it had nothing to do with that. That's how Chidor Sanders got drafted. You've got to be kidding me. Craziest draft journey. We've never in my 22 years of doing the draft, never had a story that was of interest and pick one last all the way to day three.
Never, never. Even Maurice Claret, the aforementioned individual who sued to get in the league. He was drafted in the third round. He sued the league. He told the league, I am serving you.
I'm willing to get into an illegal fight with the national football league. And the Broncos said, you're hired to him. And he quit at the conference. And he said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, quit at the combine. He's not the quarterback though. I know that.
I did enjoy Joel, Joel's pushback on that because he's right. Which is what you don't want. You don't want that to be at your leadership position. Exactly. Face of the franchise, leadership leader in the locker room, the man who commands the huddle and who is front and center for every issue of the team. They always go to the quarterback first. And you need to be damn sure about it.
Yeah. Also, look, Albert tried to, we're going to talk to him. Albert tried to tell us for months that a lot of teams did not have him as a first round. I'm not sitting here and saying, but then when he starts slipping, you're like, well, are we going to waste a draft pick on a backup quarterback?
No. How many teams actually had them on their draft board? We don't know, but it seems like it was only a handful to begin with because every other team's quarterback room is pretty much set. I hear you. You can, when you, when you, when you really talk around, when you really talk around, it does, it's not as, it's not as, you know, extravagantly surprising as a lot of people in the media are making it out to be.
Chris, pick one 44, one 44. I mean, the number of times, the number of times I won't say which they were, I'm not going to say which they were. I won't say it, but the number of times somebody got picked late third, early fourth, and I just peripherally see my analysts kind of look at each other, like really that kid got drafted. I mean, you sit here and say that the quarterback has to be the face. He's right about it. He's right about guys like Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield, who've been arrested and have other things had happened to them.
They've been given that shot. And I'm not saying talent wise, he should have been number one or anything, but when you look at that stuff, those guys won the Heisman trophy. No, listen, those guys had way better college results for sure. You know, and again, talking about Baker, I'd like to remove Baker from from the equation because that that's not that that I don't think that's apples to apples in any way, shape or form. But I understand what you're saying, T.J., again, first round. I was surprised, but I get it like there's first round pick.
If you don't think the kid is a starter and if you don't think that he can be your starter and and and is someone that you're going to be reliant on, if you don't think I totally get you passing on him. And I even I even think that in the second round, third round. Now we're like, what's up? Fourth round. I couldn't believe he got through the fourth round. I was stunned.
Yeah, stunned. But but but if you're the Steelers and you're like, hey, Rogers is coming and we like somebody just as much in the fifth and sixth round and Jack Sawyer is sitting out there. I get that, too. I get that, but people start taking flyers on guys and he's passing through and then he gets drafted by a team that already took a quarterback.
When you first went to the college football playoff, I know taken in the seventh and by the way, so the backup quarterbacks draft all dropped. No, I, I, I hear you. And that's just, again, the evaluation.
I hear you, Chris. But fifth round. And there is a ton of people that agree with exactly what you're saying.
And if the if a kid gets on a grease board and isn't any good or isn't any interested, I understand passing. All the way to round five, though, round five. Well, he's going to get a chance to compete and show everybody that that that they're wrong. And guess what? Guess what?
The proof will come out in that pudding. And certainly if you think that somebody tapped the general manager and coach of the Cleveland Browns on the shoulder to say, draft this kid, then he's going to a spot where there's a deck and there's more cards stacked against than four. And he's going to have to fight through all that. And this could be one of the freezing cold take moments here.
And it could come as soon as mid-August because guess what? Fifth round selections get thrown on that waiver wire first cut pile over and over and over again. Yeah. In this league. And that's the reality of what he's been drafted into. You are a fifth round pick. And you are not even the first quarterback we took in the draft. And there is a veteran that's definitely going to be on the roster because he won comeback player of the year for us.
And there's a guy who took a victory formation in the Super Bowl that we acquired first up this year. So Chidor is going to have to work his ass off now. And if he doesn't do that and he doesn't realize it and he blows the opportunity, then he deserved to be a fifth round draft choice. Period.
End of story. He deserved to be the last guy taken in the draft. If this opportunity isn't one that he is going to take seriously and knock the heck out of.
See, I didn't say hell because Deion doesn't. Let's take a break. Dan Orlovsky is on the program. We'll dive deeper into the Cleveland Browns draft. We'll also talk a little bit more about the prank call. We'll talk about the rest of this draft. We'll talk NBA playoffs.
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I'm good. I mean, I can't believe what I witnessed over the three days in Green Bay, but we'll hit that in a second. What did you think of the draft in Green Bay? It was a blast, right?
Like everyone was a sweetheart, right? Rolling out the red carpet, the whole business. Yeah, I thought Green Bay was sensational. You know, first of all, the draft in general and what the NFL has done with the draft is remarkable. It has become, anybody who gets to experience it, it's an event.
It's a spectacle. It's, I don't want to say as big as the Super Bowl, but in many ways, when you're there, it feels as big as the Super Bowl. And the fact that they've taken it to all these different cities and allowed the NFL to experience different cities and its fans to experience different cities.
And then Rich, like every year as a banker, it feels like. I remember Nashville, and then I remember Cleveland and Kansas City. And then obviously, like last year was a trademark here.
It felt like, or just like a stamp year. And you're like, well, how do you beat Detroit? And I'm not sitting here and telling people that Green Bay beat Detroit, but to match just the feel of it, and the amount of people with it, you know, they did an awesome job.
The people at our hotel were just unreal kind. And it was a really, really good couple of days for the NFL, really good couple of days for Green Bay. I agree, man.
One hundred percent. And, you know, it didn't pass Detroit in terms of attendance. But, you know, it was pretty cool. And everyone there just were wide-eyed, couldn't believe that they were having the draft in Wisconsin and in Green Bay. And then that moment for Matthew Golden on Thursday night, right? And then that kid, Sorelle, who was there, yes, on Saturday, he got a, like a parade. It was really great, man.
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Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. Your two cents on the Chador Sanders drafting, his draft experience, now that we're a couple of days removed from actually being drafted is what, Dan? Yeah. Was I surprised that he went as late as he did?
Yes. You know, I don't think we have to answer. I have heard everybody in the last 48 hours have to answer the question of, well, why do you think he fell? We don't have to answer the think part of it anymore. We kind of know now, you know, if the outside person knows now. And I believe that we got a lot of great reporters that are attached to the media and the NFL. And we're getting ESPN. So I can just pay attention to everybody's reports and throughout this process, as it's gotten closer to the draft, you heard the reports that were public reports that, oh, we're trying to find a team and he might be slipping. And, you know, I think that, again, there's so many good reporters, but I pay attention to what Shefty says. And I paid attention to what Peter Schrager was saying. And I thought those guys did a great job of just taking the conversations that they were having and gathering the information. And if you really paid attention to it, you realize that it didn't seem made up and it didn't seem positive. And so was I surprised that he went in the fifth round?
Yes. But the more you paid attention to how they were communicating all the information that they were gathering, it seemed that a lot of the teams shared with them that their experience with Chidor in the draft evaluation process was not a good one. It's not what I think. It's just hearing the information. And so, you know, Rich, I thought just off tape and that's part of it, because I saw a lot of the, well, I saw him in mock drafts, drafts is like the third pick or the second or at worst, third best quarterback. Those my job, Daniel, Jeremiah, who's as good as it gets, people's jobs that are just doing, we get part of the picture. It is just part of the picture. Like we're just going strictly off the player, the tape.
And we all know that that is only part of the process. And so when those teams are diving in with those guys and experiencing them, you're making a massive investment in the person as much as you are the player. And the teams felt that they weren't comfortable with that. And so I guess I was surprised that the player on tape went as late as he did. I had began from the beginning, kind of felt like he was a late one early second round. I could be argued into third round type of talent. But, you know, again, we don't have to think of why fifth round became into the conversation and because the teams shared their experiences. Dan Orlovsky here on the Rich Eisen show. Obviously it'll be years till we can talk about wins, losses, and things of that nature, which draft, which team's draft jumps out at you to say, okay, I really like what they did.
I like what they're clearly building or, or adding to which, which one is that? Yeah. I really like both New York teams.
I really do. I thought the giants and jets both had, but the giants won the draft and it felt like in a day and a half changed the whole perception of where they are as an organization. Wow. Laughing stock because you trade away Saquon Barkley. And, you know, he goes on to have this historic season. And then, you know, in a short period of time, you get a guy that everyone that knows about rushers says, this guy's awesome.
Okay. Abdul Carter. And then you take Jackson dart late in the first round. And I think Jackson darts going to be a good player.
You get scattable. I believe in the fourth round, who I think is going to be a really nice piece with their one, two punch and running backs. And it just looks like competency. It looks like hope. It looks like they have a plan moving forward, obviously with the addition of Russell and Jamis.
So it's kind of this whole off season, the giants now feel like, Oh, we, we, we, we may have a building block of foundation for their future. The jets member, everyone raved about as a tackle. I thought, you know, that was a great pick. I loved Mason Taylor.
Candidly. I thought Mason Taylor had the chance to be a late first round pick. I was like, man, the Rams, I could see them getting him Aaron Smith's super fast.
Now he's got to be more consistent with his hands. Malachi, more Auburn, multiple time, Alabama, multiple time captain. So I liked that the, the, the jets laid a really good foundation for, you know, some good pieces. Obviously Philly had a great draft, how he Roseman, you know, like I was sitting there with Marcus Spears into Gandhi. And when, how we took Campbell in the first round, Marcus like said so many swear words out loud. And I took a video with him and I texted how he Roseman and I said, Spears can't stand you.
And he said, we're just getting started, baby. So, uh, you know, I thought Philadelphia's draft was really good. Um, I also like new England's and I've been really critical of new England, but to get Will Campbell and rich, I don't know if you've heard much of his sound clips, but good Lord, dude, I would want to play quarterback for that guy.
I mean, I feel like Drake has got to feel like the most secure person in the planet right now, when that guy's the way he talks in the reverence, he talks, um, Trayvon Henderson's a really good back. I like Kyle Williams got to catch the ball more consistently, but just the ability to have vertical speed. I think it's a really big part and needed part of their offense. So to get a tackle that, you know, Will Campbell just reminds me of Andrew Whitworth in a way like, Hey man, I'm, I'm going to be really good. And that, that, uh, relationship that I have with that quarterback, it's like me and my wife, I get, you know, like that's how great offensive linemen are. So, um, I thought they had a really good draft on Green Bay, really good Denver, really good. Um, Dallas needed a receiver, but I thought they did some nice stuff, but I thought there was some teams that were impressive.
Dan Orlovsky here on the rich eyes and show. So then which quarterback taken between cam and, and should door or even after I'll, I'll give you the floor. Which one do you think is, I mean, we already mentioned about dart. I don't think he's starting.
I just don't think he's going to start this year. And if, if the, if the giants had their druthers, um, they'd have a successful season with one of the two backups and dart would watch or look and maybe wet his beak a little bit like, uh, like, um, Patrick Mahomes did at the end of his first year. So I guess from shock, from shock to, uh, McCord or, or even yours, um, tell me who you're, you're liking the, the, the mix that we have right there. Yeah.
So I real quick, so I'll go from top to bottom. Obviously cam ward's going to start, it looks like they're going to follow the Joe burrow model, um, and kind of what they do at Cincinnati and a lot of ball distribution. And I think that's a good situation. I agree.
Jackson dart shouldn't start. I mean, he's, you know, I don't know if you saw the Gruden clip. He didn't, he doesn't even know how to use a cadence. You know, they did the clap cadence. It was great with coach Gruden when he was like, give me your cadence.
And he clapped. He's like, seriously, he's like, this is all we do. So, you know, there's a lot of, while super talented, there's a lot of stuff he's going to have to learn. I think Tyler's Chuck's going to play just because, you know, you hear the stories of Derek Carr. And I think that was part of the reason why they liked shot Tyler shock.
And so we need an adult in the room in a way, obviously his age is a, a big part of that conversation. And so if Derek Park can't play, you feel somewhat comfortable with Tyler shock. I don't think mill roll plays, but I, I loved this pick for Seattle. For me, he was a guy that if you just believed in development and you believe in that young man's work ethic and his character, and you just give him time to work on that, cause he's still so just scratching the development phase moving forward.
I honestly, if I was Cleveland and this is a little bit easy, cause my job's not on the line type of thing. I think the world of Kevin Stefanski, but if I was Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry, and I had a pretty good feeling that we're going to be here for those two first round picks up next year that they have to maybe design the quarterback situation, I would be hard pressed to not start Dylan, Gabriel, Shidor Sanders. I want to play one of those guys.
Maybe I played both of them over the course of the season. Let's see if we struggled with one. Like let's see if we, we got lucky with one and we just, we found a rookie year Dak Prescott type of player. So I think they're both in good situations, but I think we'll, we'll see a decent amount of rookie quarterbacks play this year. Right.
Okay. And then, you know, the rest of them, if you wouldn't mind Mike Hoskins popping that back up on the screen, those quarterbacks McCord and Howard, those are two guys that we've been talking quite a bit a lot. Will Howard sits there too. I mean, McCord is a, I guess in the Tanner McKee spot to try and compete there behind Jalen Hurts. Will Howard, I mean, you look at the Steelers and you're, you're thinking obviously they they've got to be thinking. And we had Tomlin on Saturday on NFL network. He, he, he basically said, we're expecting him to come like, you know, I dare not to put words in his mouth, but, you know, the rest of the guys are, are definitely going to be there and hopefully sticking with a team and developing. But what about Howard there in Pittsburgh? Do you think?
Yeah. Will Howard, first of all, it starts with Aaron, right? Everyone knows that if Aaron's going to be there and it's going to be starting quarterback.
If some, for some reason, Aaron's not going to be there, then it's really will Howard and Mason Rudolph, Mason Rudolph's, one of the better backups in the NFL. So everyone that you talk to about will Howard love the guy, love the way that his teammates loved him. He obviously got hot at the end of the season. He's a big athletic dude with a big arm that can, you know, you got good perimeter pieces.
I think of obviously the, the Jeremiah Smith connection that he had as that playoff went on and DK Metcalf and George Pickens. So it's, he's a little bit, I want to want to use the phrase like afterthought right now, because the focus in Pittsburgh from both, I would imagine internally and externally as Aaron Rogers, but there's still the chance that he doesn't go until he actually goes there. So if he doesn't go, I think will Howard probably comes a little bit more of the conversation. If, if Aaron goes there, you know, he's, he's probably the guy that you're looking at to the future and yours, you're number three quarterback right now.
Dan Orlovsky here on the Rich Eisen show, and then just putting a bow on it. I mean, you mentioned how, if you're Stefanski, you know, maybe you play Dylan Gabriel or Chador. I mean, Howard, they can't take four in, right?
Like how do you see this competition going? You know, I, I see it just to throw it out there and then you can tell me if I'm, I'm off or not, that they're just going to look at Flacco and say, we know you, okay. And we, we're going to have you and you may damn well be the week one starter. So we're just going to remove you.
You can be ready tomorrow. So we're not going to worry about you, right? He's on the team. And then it's, it's a game of two spots for two rookies and a guy who's trying to reclaim his status as a first round draft choice to a quarterback in, in Kenny Pickett, right, Dan?
I mean, how does this work? Yeah. So it was, it was obvious that once they charade out of the number two position that at least at that position, there was an looking forward to 2026 that you get, you get that second first round pick in 2026. I understand value, but when you're an organization that doesn't have a quarterback that is naturally going to be rightfully so what we attach the thought process to.
So there's, you know, initially my mind goes to, okay, there's, there's gotta be overall looking at that class and saying, there's some really high potential guys that might be in that class. So if you are the Browns and that's your thought process, I agree with you, Joe can go out and play probably competent football tomorrow. So if that's what you have, and you think as an organization that the general manager and the head coach are the right people, really indifferent to our results this year outside of, Oh my gosh, it's a total disaster.
Then I really do think you want to do everything you can to figure out Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders. And did you find a guy that all of a sudden becomes Brock Purdy, all of a sudden becomes Dak Prescott. All of a sudden becomes a mid-round pick that overplays where he was selected. And maybe then quarterbacks, not that pressing need in the first round next year, maybe you get to be in the advantageous situation that not only did you steal a starting quarterback, but you got them in a later round and now you can really build a roster that can go on a two or three year run around that quarterback.
So I think that's probably the way that I would go about it if I was Cleveland. Now, if both of those guys and camp tell you, we can't play like we're not good, we're not good players or early on in season, then you have a starter that can keep you in football games and play good winning football. Yeah. I just find it that they're, they're going to, I don't know the way I look at it. I see, I see it's more likely Flacco picket and one of the rookies than Flacco and two rookies.
You know what I mean? What would be the, so, so I think the pushback that I would have to that Richard is what would be the benefit to keeping a Kenny picket over the two rookies? Let's say they're one's an eight and one's a seven out of the one through 10 rating type of thing. Hmm. I, I don't know. Winning games.
It's just that simple. You know, and I know winning games in the long run, if you're already looking over the steering wheel at 2026 is not optimum. I don't know, man. I think one of them will might show in training camp, whether they're ready or not. And I agree, you know, and, and so carrying two rookies in Flacco means you're really opening your season up to being one long training camp for 2026, or at least a laboratory for your, your draft. And I just don't know if that's the way the miles Garrett is this, is this the quarterback plan that he, he, he had was five guys, two rookies. Yeah. I mean, with Watson sitting out there too, still on there. Totally.
I totally understand that. I guess the counter, again, the counterpoint I would have thought processes in all due respect to Kenny. It's not like Kenny Pickett's going to miles. Garrett's going to go, all right, we kept Kenny, you know, instead. So, you know, I just, I think that, you know, Cleveland's obviously in a better place than they were to start the draft at the quarterback position. And, you know, when you're in those positions, you're always trying to find players that overperform right. And, you know, while, while Kenny might have had now, maybe Kenny becomes a trade piece. Maybe Kenny has a really good training camp. It becomes a training camp pre-season and, and, and some team needs a guy that can go play good football.
So I, again, it's going to be decided on the field. But I think if both those guys show signs as rookies, I'd be hard pressed to, to not try to figure out who and what they are. So then what's the one guy, I know there's 257 of them, but screw it.
I'll ask you anyways, I leave you on this Monday. The one guy that you're like perfect pick, perfect fit kid's going to just crush. It could be anybody that we just described could be obvious, could be top five.
Doesn't matter. Which one do you, I'm going to give you two, cause I can never give one the two first round tight ends. You know, I had, I got an argument yesterday with a buddy of mine, who's a Brown bears fan. And he's like, why don't we take Tyler Warren? I said, listen, they're both awesome players. Loveland actually fits a little bit of what Ben Johnson wants to do more out of their tight ends and Chicago then warrant.
Does it make them a lesser player? You want, you want a one-on-one guy. Anybody who watched the tape of these guys saw Loveland was a little bit more of a one-on-one guy in Michigan. You gotta be able to block at the point Loveland did that a little bit more. And I think Ty Warren is going to have just as much of an impact. He reminds me of Trey McBride of the Cardinals, just get him in shrunk down formations, find ways to get him to football. He's going to be a massive yards after the catch guy. I think there's going to be a little bit of a benefit with the creativity from Caleb on broken plays. And so you talk about two tight ends that I think went to perfect places and should have immediate big time impact to their offenses.
It's those guys. What about the Raiders and Gente? I mean, Gente was saying that Marshawn Lynch was a guy who was kind of whispering in his ear this entire time. And Pete Carroll is the one who drafts them. Raiders fans, Raiders fans are upset with me. I really like Gente.
I'm not going to, you know, like Gente is a really, really nice player. The Raiders last year averaged 3.4 yards per carry. That's the worst for an NFL team since 1996.
I think it was like 1.9 yards before contact, which was the worst in the NFL. So while the run game was bad in general and they had a multitude of backs carry the ball, it wasn't just the back. And I understand it's a new regime and all that, but I do believe in building your front before you get that final piece while the running back usage. And, you know, obviously the impact has rightfully so come back to the NFL. It still is about the line of scrimmage. It still is about the line of scrimmage. And I just hope that the Raiders really form an offensive line that is worthy of capitalizing on that backed talent rather than sitting there going, okay, we're going to hand it off to the back and we'll figure it out as we go type of thing. So I do like what they did.
I wish their offensive line was a little bit better because then I thought it could be special connection. Dan, you're the man. Thanks again, pal. I know you worked your ass off last week. It was great seeing you.
It was great running into you. Our sets were right next to each other. It was that anchorman moment, right? On Wednesday when we were all rehearsing on Wednesday, you know, waving through the glass.
No, no. When we were all hanging out behind our respective sets and we were all just hanging. We should have taken a picture, all of us, or like mocked that we were having a fight in, because it did look like an alleyway too, right?
We could have. Yeah. Next year. Now that you put the visual in my, you put the visual in my head for sure.
Next year in Pittsburgh, we'll do that. Dan, thanks. I look forward to it. We'll chat soon, obviously. That's Dan Orlovsky.
One of the best of the best right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Yeah, man. Maybe.
We'll talk about that later. Where you got Flacco and two rookies. What do you think?
Flacco and two rookies or Flacco, Pickett and a rookie? What's more likely? What's more likely? What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? One rookie, Pickett and Flacco. TJ? I agree with what Chris said. But his point is just like, hey, if it's all about 2026 and you're already putting some draft eggs in that basket by not drafting Travis Hunter.
Well, Chris, the wild thing is they're projected to have the number one pick next year. Well, that's the guy who's going to buy me a boat. So I don't know how. I don't know how.
Excuse me. I hate to tell you, pal, I'm here in that boat. Mike might not get might be in dry dock in 2026. Might have to wait another year.
Well, the only way he's coming out is if the Saints have the first pick. Let's be honest. Okay. Well, the water ain't going nowhere, Mike.
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Restrictions apply. Can you tell me the story, the famous story of you noticing John Candy in the crowd before that two minute drill, the Bengals and your second Super Bowl win against them? Yeah, it was kind of funny because as you know, TV timeouts are forever in the Super Bowl. Tell me about it. So I had been to the sideline once, maybe even twice, and we were just standing out there waiting for the signal to start to play.
I think we had the ball in the eight. And Harris Barton was a people person. So we were free for dinner during the week, but in practice and meetings and then come back after dinner and more meetings. So when he would come back from dinner, he was like a little kid. He could not wait to tell you about all the celebrities he saw while he was at dinner. And so we were just standing there and between the tight end and his shoulder was frame John Candy in the crowd. He was on the sideline. Oh, he's on the sideline. And so I was, and I sat there and I looked and I go, dang it. I don't remember Harris saying he saw John Candy.
This is what you're thinking in the Super Bowl with minutes to go and needing to drive down the field. Okay. Well, yeah. So I walked over and said, Hey, age, and there's John Candy and Harris stood like this for eight minutes, perfectly still. He was a little bit anal in that way.
He would not move. He was like, I didn't do it to unwind him. I just thought he would appreciate John Candy, but he started mumbling some things.
What do you feel it's going through? I don't know what he said completely. I understood a few words, but now when you, he appreciates it now more than he did before we started the drive. Did you ever meet Candy or that was the only time? No, I had met John a few years before that. My contract was up and he was, you know, one of the owners of the Toronto Argonauts. He was trying to get me to go to Canada.
They just didn't have enough money, but if the price was right, I might've been wearing an Argonaut 55 yard line. So he legitimately said, you know, Hey, you know, we had a couple of meetings about, yeah, you did. So this is real.
Like it wasn't just like an old, by the way, no, no, no, no. Wow. I love that. youtube.com slash rich eyes and show closing in on nine 25 K of our subscribers. And just appreciate the growing viewership of our YouTube channel every single day.
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It will just be O'Shea and I. We're just going to do a lot of recapping, man. Cause you, you, you just, you did your show last week from live from Vegas, WWE world, but you had guests daughter, you know, front to back.
So you really have a lot of time for, to explore the studio space. It was, it was kind of crazy, man. They called her name and we walked out and was like, wow, there are people out here. That's great. So that'll be later on still lots to discuss. It was fun having Seth Rollins on says us. And he'll, by the way, he cut out, he basically cut a bear's promo in front of the kit.
By the way, remember you said they, I hope they don't trade out of the pit and then they traded down. He had to wait like a good hour and a half almost longer. I almost asked rich, did you see him get bumped off stage? Well, of course you did because that actually happened.
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That's a U R a frames.com promo code of rich support the station by mentioning us at checkout terms and conditions apply. Listen, the pranking of should do a Sanders was so disturbing and so awful and so mean-spirited off the charts, off the charts that anybody would do this to any other human being in any other endeavor. You need to look in the mirror and check yourself. It's that simple. It's that simple. And then just the fact this was a knife twist. The fact that the college kids who did it, um, you know, were stupid enough to pop it out on, uh, you know, put it, make a video of it. Like they're proud of it. Laughing that a kid again, doesn't matter who he is. Just somebody thinks that this is a job moment and the long wait is over the entire country's talking about it. Uh, honestly, folks who, uh, who didn't follow who didn't follow the draft were heard of what was happening with your door. Sanders, everyone was talking about it in our country for the sports world that you would say, Oh, this is funny. This is great.
This is what I should be doing with my time. And then we find out that the phone number that got out is one that was only proprietary to NFL teams. That it was a specific phone that the Sanders folks gave out to just teams to call. And we find out it was the son of the defensive coordinator. I feel for Jeff Albrecht too, because I, I clearly, he doesn't want to be known as the guy whose iPad wasn't secure enough. And the person who snaked it off his iPad was his son. He doesn't want his son in the middle of all this stuff. His son is right now, you know, uh, equated with this dumbassery. Awful. He's got to be, and all the teams will be involved, Dion and the Falcons, his numbers in the rafters.
The old house was the house that Dion built. Just terrible. The whole thing is just such a, it's awful.
No, it's lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose. And I, and I feel for absolutely everybody involved in this whole thing. I cannot imagine this would ever happen again or should. And, you know, the Falcons heard about it.
Arthur Smith, I mean, Arthur, Arthur blank must've lost his mind. And when they found out I'm a 21 year old son of Jeff Albrecht unintentionally came across the draft contact phone over for short or Chador Sanders off an open iPad while visiting his parents' home, wrote down a number to conduct a prank call. Jeff was unaware. He's got to be beside himself too. So, you know, he's got to be unaware. He's got to be beside himself too. So they basically told the kid you're calling should, it seems like they said, you're calling Chador who apparently graciously accepted the apology.
Yeah. The son Jack's put out an Instagram apology. Just it's just unbelievable. This happened.
Him graciously accepting this tells you something else about Chador. You do that to me. It's on for life. Like it's on for life. I will never forget that.
And I will never forgive that ever. So our friend Kara Henderson Sneed, I've known Kara since we worked together at ESPN and she is quite frankly, one of the greatest idea people I've ever come across her ideas for so many things. She's given us ideas for this show. She's coming up with her own show ideas, but you know, she's, she's got it on the ball.
She went to Duke. She said my solve for the prank crisis, FaceTime draft calls, we all win. We all win. Brilliant. Yeah.
How are we not doing this in the year 2025 already? Every draft calls a FaceTime, a facial seems easy. Exactly. The reason why these teams make these calls. Yeah. This is I've been told this over and over again. Cause I kept asking when, you know, when we're watching draft prospects fall and then they get on the phone and it tips the picks.
Right. Today, the false cause you used to see the they're on the phone one year, Drew Rosen house faked like he was on the phone to get Willis McGahee drafted. And I asked long time evaluators and coaches. They say, we make these calls because we want to make sure the kid's okay. We're not going to draft somebody who just got hospitalized or even worse.
So that checks the box. You get to see the kid's face and the face gets to make sure you're not some 21 year old kid who's just dumbly took the phone off his dad's iPad and created a mess for everybody, including himself. So sorry, I got to talk about a 21 year old. I'd love for him to just be anonymous and just, you know, apologize, have it accepted and move on. But this had to be talked about FaceTime.
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