QB Guru John Beck: A Lot of Teams Are High On Jaxson Dart

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The overreaction Monday podcast pre draft version is already in your RSS feed inbox or right there on our YouTube channel for you to enjoy YouTube dot com slash Rich Eisen Show. Chris Brockman and I got here early. Good to see you over there, Christopher. How are you?

Good to see a great shirt. What's up, man? We're wearing very similar cuts. Good to see you, Jay Felley. How are you, sir?

What's up? And the candle is not lit because TJ is not here. Oh, man. And this is a rarity. You know, TJ never misses a show and he has an excused absence. It's because I know because in about three plus hours from now, he and O'Shea Jackson Jr. are going to be in the Las Vegas Convention Center in the WWE world. And there they are. There they are from WrestleMania this weekend. WrestleMania 41 in the books. There's a big night of wrestling in Vegas tonight.

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I'm so used to it. Look at you. So at any rate, that went down over the weekend. And TJ and O'Shea are going to be there. So if you're in the Vegas Convention Center later on, go stop by and say hello.

Sure. My gosh, I'm just so excited. NFL Draft Week is here. I'm going to be. Hosting an NFL draft coverage on NFL Network for the 22nd time on Thursday night. Congrats, man. It's just great and going and counting and going.

I intend to do it in Pittsburgh next year and so on and so forth. Well, I could stop. Am I undercutting your point? I'm trying to hype you up, man.

OK, thank you. And and it's just so exciting. Rumors flying everywhere. Everything's going crazy.

Everything's going nuts. And and a couple of rumors that I've heard I care to share with you. Oh, because I know what you like, Chris. Oh, you know, this is the waters that I like to travel in, man.

That's what I do. I know things. Thank you.

Rumors and innuendo. Thank you. You're welcome. It makes me the Tyrion Lannister of of the of the draft. I had no idea. I even removed the drinking part. Look at you.

I mean, you didn't have to, I guess. We are going to Green Bay. There should be some beers flowing. We're going to house bars. People hit us up.

OK. So a couple of things that I'm hearing and this one might not raise to the level of shock or awe. And and this is the neat part about it, because it involves the Jacksonville Jaguars, the one franchise of fans that I hear from the most because they believe we at NFL Network disrespect them and have zero concern for their future or their thought processes to the point where we always take a commercial break right before their pick. They're on the clock.

It's time to take a break. We'll be right back. Now, I have been told that we are going to be on the air for a considerable amount of time on Thursday night for for the first few picks.

I am going to say it cannot. The first commercial cannot be when the Jacksonville Jaguars are on the clock. If it is, though, then then we're just we're just having a wink and a nod of fun here, Patriots select, and then we'll be right back.

Listen, I'm hearing, Chris, as much as you want the Ashton Gente so bad. I'm hearing the the Patriots love, adore Will Campbell and are going to do the sensible thing, which is protect the kid before giving him a weapon to protect him with a run game that might not materialize because the offensive line isn't equipped to do that either. And it worked out for Joe Burrow, right? Where they went with Chase over Penay Sewell.

Yeah. I'm hearing the Patriots are going to do the sensible thing and go Will Campbell out of LSU and that Cam Ward and Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter and Will Campbell will be the first four picks of the draft. And then everybody's like, well, then it should definitely be Mason Graham, fifth overall. And that does make sense that they take this kid out of Michigan, who I've seen personally and is worthy of the fifth overall pick in this draft. I'm hearing that the Jacksonville Jaguars could go anywhere with this thing. Like a certain running back from Boise? It could be, I don't know, Gente or this kid, Derek Harmon, out of Oregon.

Everybody is going nuts over to. Remember back in the day, everyone's like, they're going to take the Michigan kid and Aiden Hutchinson and I know they took the Georgia kid, which maybe they take the other Georgia kid. Now they could take Jaylen Walker and Walker to go with their other Walker. I don't know, or they could take an Oregon kid over a Michigan kid and leave Mason Graham on the board, which I don't know if that would give pause to the Raiders or not, but I don't know. This could be the first major wrinkle. Obviously, the first major wrinkle would be Shidoor Sanders going third overall to the Giants. But I've been told to keep an eye out that Jacksonville may not do what everybody thinks they're going to do.

And then I'm hearing Jackson Dart falls out of the first round, too. Really? Yeah. I mean, I don't know what to make of it.

You hear crazy stuff like Shidoor Sanders. There are some teams that don't even have first round great on him. Yeah, I don't know. Well, a lot of people say Dart is quarterback, too, in this draft. I don't know if this is based on Dart not going to Green Bay. That could be one of those things that they knew he wasn't going to Green Bay. But the announcement came out and it sounded like he changed at the last minute because he's hearing he's not going to be in the draft room, that he's going to be in the draft room, pardon me, all night Thursday. Jalen Milro is going and he's got the same situation where he could be a second rounder and he could be coming back on Friday night to stick around in Green Bay. I don't know the number of people that are just talking about this quarterback class.

No one sold on it. And I've, I've, I've heard that it would be wild if four quarterbacks go in the first round anyway. I still think that's because there could be likely the fact that we're in draft week now and we are now inside that five day window before the draft. And the reason why we're mentioning five days here is because the last time we have not seen a single trade involving the first round of an NFL draft, the longest we've seen, the last time we've seen this length of time go without a first round draft choice being sold or acquired was when Joe Montano went to the Chiefs five days before that draft in 93.

And here we are now this close. And the reason why you're not seeing any of these picks traded in the first round is because maybe people are not sold on the quarterbacks. You can get one at the end of the first round. It seems more likely to me that there will be a trade involving a draft choice in the first round in the bottom 10 of this first round than the top 10 of this first round because of that, that these quarterbacks fall.

And there are teams like the Browns and the Giants sitting there, maybe the Raiders at the top of the second round, saying we're going to trade back into the first round and get that fifth year of contractual control for a quarterback, that's more likely than somebody trading into the first round, top 10 to draft a quarterback there big time. And so. I don't know, as you know, all it does is just take one one team loves. Somebody and that's the end of it. Yep, that's the end of it. And I am hearing the Giants do like Jackson Dart.

Maybe they go ahead and do something. Mike Mayock joins us in our three. He's going to complete his. Mock draft or Mike May draft, because he's not a Mayock, not a mock draft guy, and he did the first 10 just organically where I went through one through 10. And then he's like, I'll give you 10 through 20 last week.

OK, and now I'm like, you want to finish it off, Mike? And he has finished it off. We have it and he will reveal it. And I'm wondering how many quarterbacks go in the final 12 picks of the first round. He's going to give us 20 through 32. We've got our friend from the ringer, Todd McShea, an hour or two to give us his thoughts prior to the draft. And then John Beck, the quarterback coach and a guru, I'll call him a guru. He's sitting in our green room. Excellent.

Only gurus get to sit in our the groovy guru. That is a Get Smart reference that I'm sure many people don't get, but I do. And that's all that matters. Just like it's one team. It just takes one team to draft somebody, takes one person to get your reference. And if it's me, I'll take it. I mean, the only thing I know from Get Smart is he missed it by that much.

That's correct. OK. At any rate, before we get to Mr. Beck, Daniel Jeremiah, with whom I share a draft set. And as I mentioned in the Overreaction Monday podcast, not many people in the television business, I could say in a week that I will be spending more time with that person than anyone on this set where I spend three hours a day talking in the presence of dropping prepositions at the end of sentences. And hey, Chris, I'm gonna be spending more time with Daniel Jeremiah in Green Bay than you, but that's OK. That's OK. I mean, look, I'm not Jay or TJ. I'm not heard about him.

He's the best. That's all good. That's true. I'm not so sure.

Let me know if I need a restraining order. Daniel, what he does, he has a mock draft on Wednesday night on NFL Network. Charles Davis and Daniel Jeremiah honcho that one Wednesday night. But the Monday of draft weeks, he, Daniel, reveals the top one hundred fifty players on his draft board. So this I would proffer to say is proprietary information that Daniel shares that is no question of interest to all thirty two draft.

They are they are very like DJ is in the know and his his opinion is respected. And he's got Travis Hunter, number one on his draft board. And he should, which only answer the question, is Cam Ward a first overall pick?

And it's just tough for people to wrap their minds around. The fact that a kid who went from incarnate word to Washington State, to the U, where he showed a remarkable set of skills, physical, mental. The ticker inside the heart, how many times were how many times you see Michael Irvin on his hands and knees on the sidelines of a Miami game, staring at the scoreboard, knowing that this thing is over. And then Cam Ward just pulled it out of the rabbit hole far too many times. So but a lot of people just cannot wrap their arms around Cam Ward being in the surefire first overall pick quarterback position like Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams, right?

Joe Burrow, Cam Newton. Sure. Yeah.

They just can't wrap their arms around. But Travis Hunter is number one on on Daniel Jeremiah's top 150. You could put up the rest if you don't mind right here. You've got also number two on on his list. You got Abdul Carter. You've also got on this list number three overall.

And this is the thing that you can really get into it. Ashton Gente. Yeah, buddy. And okay, there's Mason Graham at four and Jalen Walker five. So where's the quarterback? Because you got two tight ends after that. Tyler Warren, we talked about.

I'm telling everybody. Colston Loveland, clearly unbiased. But I've also seen him play more football than pretty much everyone up on the screen right now. He is dynamite.

He is awesome. And he's number seven on Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 prospects list. That then has Cam Ward eighth. So the first overall pick in the draft is a quarterback that in Daniel Jeremiah's mind gets pushed up seven spots. Wow.

Just for a need. Just because Tennessee doesn't want to pick there anymore. Again, when you draft Travis Hunter, you get two players, two, two in one. You got two edge guys, one on offense, one on defense. I know the edge is normally a rusher, but he's out there taking away half the field. And on the other side of the ball, he's stretching it. Two guys.

I said that's overreaction Monday pot. I think this kid's going to be so damn good that I could see down the road. Whoever drafts him will have a problem signing him to a second contract because. What do you what do you value that there's no there is no comp.

There's no comp. For what he can do. And so they're going to end up slapping a franchise tag on the guy and figuring out, well, we'll just we'll just tag you at the lowest rate, at the position with the lowest rate.

That's what we'll do. That's how good he is. And then you look again at the rest of his, we got his top 20 because he's got Armand Membu at nine and Jadi Barron.

The corner is his top corner is Barron. My guy, Will Johnson out of Michigan, winds up on his second 20. After Will Campbell and Jihad Campbell, two Campbell's finish up the top 20, start the top 20, the second half of it. Oh, Marion Hampton is 13. That dude is going to be a stud, I think. Matthew Golden, who a lot of people are pegging at the Cowboys at 12, is 14. Nick Eamonn-Warry is the top safety. Will Johnson is second best corner.

You got Tyler Booker, Emeka Ibuka is the second wide receiver above Tech McMillan, who came out of the combine. A lot of people saying number one receiver. And then there's Chidor at 20.

Which means if this all plays out, and usually it does, I'm telling you, this sometimes winds up with with DJ. It's not the right order, but this sometimes winds up like a mock draft, which means Chidor would be there sitting there with the Steelers on the clock, which would be wild. If the Steelers stick and pick at 21 and have Chidor fall to them, I think they take him, by the way. And would somebody realize that and get a little panicky and want him to the point where they call up the non quarterback, needy Broncos and say we'll pop up to 20? Unless Hampton's sitting there for Denver to take or maybe Colston Loveland is sitting there for Denver to take one of these wide receivers. My gosh, it's a fascinating draft. But again, if Travis Hunter's number one overall on a draft board and you're the number one overall picking team.

Take him, don't overthink it. Crazy. Crazy. Oh, and by the way, Kaleis Campbell's on our rundown and I got my top five draft steals and then there's you at eight four four two oh four rich number two. Let's go. But we've got a guru in our in our green room. Let's bring him out. John Beck is here. Love having him here in studio. We are going to just really work this guy who works none of the none, none but the best top prospects and some top quarterbacks, veterans in the game.

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Potential savings will vary, not available in all states. LifeLock.com slash podcast terms apply. Very rare, I start an interview here on the Rich Eisen Show by asking the guy who is here in studio to answer this question. John Beck, what what is your title? Like, how do you wish to be referred to? I was not prepared for that question.

I don't know. Just a guy that likes helping quarterbacks. For 3D QBs, are you saying?

Yeah, I kind of feel like Happy Gilmer where he's like, come try to beat the old long ball hitter guy. We just landed on NFL quarterback coach. But you coach college quarterbacks. Our college guys is a big part of what we do. And for a lot of these guys, we've trained them through college. And now we have the opportunity to train them as they prepare to be an NFL player and a lot of NFL vets like Jackson Dart.

We've known him since he was a sophomore in high school. All right. So I want to I want to dive into that.

But Brockman, you were you were offset. This is this is wild. Where are you going this week? I asked you, are you going to Green Bay?

And you said, what? Go ahead. I'll be in Italy. I'll be in Rome on draft day.

We're taking my oldest son, my wife and I are going to head to Italy for like a week and then Paris for a few days. Because the cake is baked. Yeah, I mean, this is my time of year. Yeah, I guess that trumps Joe Thomas going fishing, right? Well, I remember when Joe did that, that was my draft. It was big for us because we had him for summer.

I don't know what the technology was like. We had him have like some sort of Cisco camera on his boat. So we got his reaction being drafted on NFL Network by doing that. But if you think about it, as soon as the draft's over, you're busy. Right. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, because the kids in college, right, college kids.

And then the pro. So draft week is actually a calm period for you. It is. It's actually the time. The only one that's funny to my anniversary is May 1st. So it lands kind of like perfect.

It's professionally and for your relationship. Yeah, it works out great. That's so cool. Isn't that amazing?

That is amazing. This is the culmination for so many people. And for you, it's like the time to take. Yeah, we really like as soon as January hits and those guys finish their bowl games or sometimes the guys don't play in the bowl games nowadays, they start training and it is draft prep. And then we start having the NFL vets start trickling in because they're going to get ready for camp to start. And then it's like the draft is like this little drop off.

Right. And then when May hits, it's cranking again with all these college guys. That's the voice of John Beck, a quarterback coach for the 3D QB, just revealed to us on the Roku Channel TV stream segment. You're going to be in Italy with your family because it's a down period for somebody like yourself because the cake is already baked. And you're going to find out how the reception is in the Coliseum, right? Is it going to be like you're going to be in the forum, you know, like looking at like the draft list that's refreshing.

You have to be in the Roman area, like the Coliseum forum. And yeah, Chevy fountain, that's all that stuff. Walking around on my phone, like checking to see what happens. Like I just got drafted. All right.

Let's just jump into this. All I'm hearing is how down evaluators are on this quarterback draft class. You hear that.

You think what? Well, it's an interesting take because I know what last year's draft class was like. You have all those quarterbacks where it was guaranteed.

If this guy doesn't go five, this guy's going seven and this guy's going eight. And it was like this huge thing where, you know, there are these chunk of teams at the top that are going to be taking quarterbacks. And that's not the feeling this year.

That's not what I hear. You know, you I think most people assume and believe Cam's going to be the first guy off the board. But then once he goes off the board, everybody's saying, what now? What next?

Does anybody really know what's going to happen? And I heard you talking before I came in about these possible trades back up into the first round. I think as you hit the teens, the latter end of the teens, and you start sitting at that pick right before Pittsburgh, like you said, what can start happening with trades back up? Because you got to think if somebody's sitting there, whether it's Jackson, Darr, Shader, Sanders, if somebody's sitting at twenty one and Pittsburgh has a pick, you think they're going to take him. So that means if somebody's got to trade up, you either got to jump Pittsburgh or take a chance that Pittsburgh doesn't want the guy you want unless you think the player is not worth it, you know what I mean? And that's the whole thing is the valuation right now is I'd rather take someone else and roll the dice on later in the draft or next year.

Yeah. And how can that's what I'm wondering, like, can you walk me through the mind of an evaluator to conclude such a thing right before a draft? Well, the tough part is about evaluating quarterbacks is everybody puts in so much time and effort and does their homework.

But is it an exact science? Like how many quarterbacks get taken high and it doesn't work out? And then there's the, well, why did it not work out? Was it the team? Was it the situation?

Was it the offense? There's all these things. And then you look at guys that get picked later on in the draft and they go to spots and it works out for them. And someone says, oh, well, if we were to redraft, we would now draft that guy in the first round instead of the fourth round.

Well, if there was really a science about it and the guys knew exactly what they were doing, there wouldn't be that many of those situations. And so I think as they go into this, the teams are going to say, like, we want first round pick. We want to feel really good and I don't want to say safe, but like, we want to believe that there's a great chance this guy is going to work out.

And this just popped in my head. But I was talking with a GM a while back and they said, look, if you know, you got to take a first round quarterback because that's what your team needs, you don't worry about the slot. You don't worry if it's pick twelve, pick eighteen, pick twenty four. If you got to take a first round quarterback, you take a first round quarterback. And so, you know, that's where like then trading back up. I think some teams say, OK, maybe they get our guy. We have to trade back up.

But is it worth it to us? Do we think that they can be that player that we want to have for five years? Because you don't want to take a first round quarterback and not want to pick up that fifth year option when you take him like nobody's doing that. They're saying, let's take a chance. Pick a guy that hopefully we can get for five years under that contract. Because in today's world, the best contract you can get is a rookie contract.

That's because if they succeed, man, it skyrockets out. So let's talk about one of your guys that's got many people's minds, a first round grade or could drop out of the first round. And that's Jackson Dart. When did you first meet him? Sophomore in high school. Yeah, he was playing at Roy High School up in Utah and was playing baseball and football and was just a kid and his dad, Brandon, pursuing a dream. They would fly out to California all the time and just trying to get an offer. I mean, I remember days on the field and talking to him and he's just like trying to get that first college offer.

And it's really cool to see now the story where, yeah, Jax could potentially be a first round draft pick here in a few days. OK, so what do we not know about him that we should going into this draft? John, well, I don't know what you guys know yet.

That's the tough part. Good answer. Good answer to a somewhat vague question, but I got I got to know what you guys know.

I mean, here's the thing I do know. I do know there's a lot of teams that are very high on Jax, but they're, I think, playing that same thing of like, where do we take him? You know, yeah, we'd love to have him. We love how competitive he is. We love what he did in the SEC. We love these first team all conference team captain, like all these things speak volumes for what he accomplished and who he is.

OK, great. Now, where do we feel like is the spot to take him? Can we get him? That's the thing that I think most teams are trying to decide. I mean, evaluators, I've heard so many positive things about him, but like what?

Some of the things I just said, so competitive, right? They love like coaches want to find out what his teammates feel about him. Like when guys get opportunities to be interviewed at the draft, like let's say you're not a draft, the combine.

Let's say you have a few of the Ole Miss tight end wide receiver defensive players. They also know to ask, tell me what you think about Jackson Dart. Tell me what the team thinks about Jackson Dart. What's he like away from what we see that happens all the time. And so I think for Jax, everybody knows the competitive nature, the fieriness, the injuries that he's played through like coaches.

That matters a lot. Like, hey, can this guy play through some injuries because we're going to need him to if you're going to play 20 something games and take us to the Super Bowl, you can bet you're going to be dinged up enough to play in some games. I I'll ask it anyway.

You don't have to answer it. But I'm going to ask which teams are interested in him. I mean, you know, a lot of the stuff's pretty, pretty correct. You know, you know, like teams like the Giants are going to be interested. Teams like Pittsburgh is going to be interested. I think the the interesting thing that I tell, like even Jax's family, you don't know some teams that really like you that are purposefully not talking to you, that are purposely kind of staying back a little bit. You don't know really how much they're in because they don't want everybody else to know.

You know, and it's that it's that it's that example. I remember Jay Cutler never heard from the Broncos. Broncos. Yep, that's true. One hundred percent, one hundred percent completely stayed away from him. And he was totally stunned that the Broncos took him. Yeah.

It's crazy how some years you can absolutely know, like the year that I was training Justin Herbert. Yes. I mean, it was like like San Diego back then. Right. But it was like, man, the Chargers like, wait, it wasn't San Diego. They were already the Chargers up here.

Right. Like, man, the Chargers are a team. Like, I think this is where he's going to land. And then there's other years where I have guys that it is just like, I mean, there's like three or four teams and we really don't know. And we got to see how it plays out. I feel for these quarterbacks like Jax and Chidor and some of the guys right behind them. There's Kyle McCord and there's Quinn Ewers and there's Tyler Shuck.

Like, man, we don't really know how that's going to all play out. This is going to be a really interesting first three, four rounds of this draft for those guys. I feel for him, too, because I know the the the dream of having a short draft night, hugging the commissioner, holding the jersey.

Right. Yeah, that that everybody dreams of that. Everybody dreams of those draft moments. And then back in the day, when we first started NFL Network, cameras would just zoom right in on the players sitting in the green room. I mean, just cut right away. If they're not they're not drafted up, they dropped another one. Let's take a look at somebody sitting there.

Exactly. Roger Goodell ended that tradition when oh, God, why am I blanking on Brady Quinn? Brady Quinn. Oh, yeah, that was my draft class.

That was your draft class, too. Brady dropped and we kept showing him in the green room off the side of Radio City Music Hall. And Roger said, you're coming in the commissioner's green room where there are no cameras sit there. He was done with it.

And then now we don't we're not allowed to pretty much show anybody in the green room because it gives away when they're on the phone. Yeah, tips the pick. Yeah, that's deep. But the point the reason why I'm bringing this up is kids drop and that means they have a better shot of landing with a team that's got a good coach, a great system. Yeah.

And and maybe consider a year and then get ready. Again, ask Lamar Jackson how long that first draft night was for himself and how many stacks he's got right now for a team that puts him in a quarterback catbird seat of being a Super Bowl contender every year. Yeah. And a great franchise. I've been in that franchise like Baltimore is a great franchise ran by great people. And you're right. Like the situation matters so, so much. It made me think also as like I left out Cleveland. Here's a team that is like, look, look at the situations that they've been through with the quarterback that they paid a ton for thinking this is going to be our guy.

And it hasn't really worked out that way. And you see them bring guys in and, OK, they're going to pick Travis Hunter. Everybody thinks that that's where he's going.

OK, what do you do next? Do you try to move back up? Do you go and you try to capitalize on what you think could be something that can really grab the city of Cleveland and go grab Chidor? And now you basically bring both of those guys that really truly two years ago when Dion first went to Colorado College football was captivated by what Dion and those players were doing at Colorado. And I know that from a win loss standpoint, that first year wasn't great for them, but like people watch, people paid attention.

It's going to be interesting to see what Cleveland does. But going back to also like the team situation, like where you end up is everything I tell all these quarterbacks. I do not get so caught up in feeling like you have to be a first rounder.

You got to be on stage. You got to have that really only lasts a brief moment. What really matters is what's going to go beyond that for the years that you're at that franchise.

Can it really be a place that's going to help you succeed? Because we've seen tons and tons of quarterbacks where the situation has not helped them. 3D QB quarterback coach John back here on the Rich Eisen show. Boy, by the way, great job with Jayden Daniels.

Well, that's our whole look. Jayden is a special player. Jayden is a special player.

You taught him all you know. Listen, we have a team of coaches, but it's always it's always more than just what we do at our field. Right. I love that guy's story, though, like Arizona State comes in with tons of talent, shaky leaves that whole thing at the locker where his teammates are doing crap at his locker. Like, get this guy out of here. Like, don't forget him being pissed about being thrown in the mix with a whole bunch of prospects. Like Washington threw them all together. Right.

Supposedly he wanted no part of that. I mean, you know, I mean, you get all this pre draft stuff like here's the thing. Love Jayden. And he works his tail off. And it's really cool.

I'm just like our group 3D QB. There's a group of us coaches and we are a slice to this pie. Right. There's so many things that go into it. But the cool part is our opportunity to see somebody work. When somebody is that talented, they work that hard and not just on field, but the off the field stuff that he does to prepare himself to be a great player.

Give me something. I mean, right now it's the virtual reality, right? Like all of the hours that he logged in virtual reality.

If you go talk to his offensive coordinator at LSU, the growth that he had, that just doesn't happen because you go throw footballs. It happens because of the intent, the purposeful things that you do in the meeting room, walkthroughs. What's your brain doing when you're not in the building? Like the reality is most quarterbacks are wired super, super competitively. And so when they're at a restaurant, you think that they're just living it up. I promise there are many times that plays run through their head. No kidding. Oh yeah. When they're walking in their house. I mean, I know stuff with Dak Prescott. We're like, we've been finishing a training session.

We're going to go grab lunch. And he's in his front, like kitchen area, thinking through some of the things he was working on. Like, that's just the way a lot of these guys are wired.

And so that's Jayden, right? Like he had a drive to him that for two years we got to watch at LSU. And then it's amazing. Heisman Trophy top pick goes into his rookie year. And we're saying, all right, let's see how this goes. Like we know AP over at the Redskins, Adam Peters, this is going to be really good. We know the offensive coordinator.

This could be really good. And everybody went out and made plays. And that guy, I mean, you got him up there right now. His success happened also because of the people around him. Dan Quinn, the coach, I love Dan. Like I got to spend some time around him in Dallas.

Like the way that the team functions offensively, the players around him. I mean, it's everybody in that building for that guy to be successful. And the cool part is, is it worked.

It worked. Yeah. And then they just they go and get they go ahead and get Tunsil and they get Debo. Yeah, they're adding to add on top of it. Yeah, it makes it exciting. Now there's some expectations, though, right?

Sure. Like before, it's like, let's see how this goes. And now, all right, man, this is going to be a playoff run. And now the expectations come in.

And now, OK, how does the players and how does the organization handle the next set of expectations? Well, he is he comes across as real jittery and lack of confidence. I mean, like he's he's he's so good. He was so good. He is so good. And I'm just trying to give our viewers and listeners an idea of how you can, I guess, translate it to a draft class in a draft week.

Who's next? What do you see or evaluating for a player to be so good? You know, how do you evaluate that? How do you see that in a draft process and go, that's what we need to do. I'm an owner. I need to replicate that.

How do you translate it? Well, I think somebody else. I think one thing that's tough is you can't see a player and say, if I can find somebody just like that player, it will work in this situation. They're all so different and unique, like even the personalities of a player. That's why, like I tell guys, hey, when you go to the combine and throw, OK, yeah, it's kind of important, but the reality is those coaches have watched all of your throws through the season. Those are way more important than what you throw at the combine. The biggest thing at the combine is your interaction with the teams that are interviewing you. Like that's how they get to see who you are.

And then like when teams have their private workouts, they take the guys out to dinner, like coaches fly in, GMs fly in. They want to really get to know that person. It's more than just the physical capabilities on the field. It's more than just like the ability to process.

It's everything. And then also, how does that go into the mixture of the team that you're bringing them into? Like, I'm sorry, but I just there are not 32 winning situations in the NFL.

There is not. And the people in the NFL know that. Coaches that have been other places, one been successful, then been given jobs at another organization to try to build that place up, spent three to four years working their tail off, and then they get fired.

They learn the lesson really quickly. There are not 32 winning situations. And the tricky part is, is teams, when they draft, are they fully aware, like the question you asked me, John, tell us what we don't know about Jackson Dart.

Well, I need to know what you think I know or what you think, you know, that's going to help. It's these teams as well. Do they really know who they are?

Do they really know what they lack? You can't just bring in a great player and go, oh, wow, he's really good. We should start winning now.

It's everything. Well, I'm not going to ask you a team name here, but before we throw it a break and then we'll get you one more segment, do you in 3D QB or others in your profession? Like, again, you've got Dart. You've got Dylan Gabriel in this year's draft. Do you openly talk within your circle of teams that you don't want them to go to?

I hope this team does not take this kid because of what you just said. I mean, yes or no? Yeah, of course. Of course, I'm telling you, it's the truth, right? Like and love it, it's not just you and your colleagues, it's everyone else.

It's like they are walking around saying, I hope my guy does not go there. How can you not if you've experienced the reality of what it is and you've also like if, OK, I've lived it, I've coached people through it. I've seen it. I've communicated with coaches. And if I were to answer that question and be like, oh, no, I don't do that. That's like saying I didn't experience all those things. Like if you've experienced the reality of the NFL, you know, that is true. There are some situations. And look, I'm not saying the organization can't be one that you would want them to go to.

Look at Washington, by the way, like two years ago, if you cut Jayden James, oh, I actually wanted to go to Washington. I know you never said that those organizations are moving and growing and changing and like there are good times to be a part of it. And sometimes they're not.

And that's just the reality of it. You know, and sometimes there are some really good organizations. Like I mentioned Baltimore. I had the privilege to be a Raven like that place, the building that I mean, yeah, it's like it's just one of those spots where you're just like, man, those guys do a lot of really, really good things. And you would say I'd almost say regardless of position, I know so many people in that building.

That is a good spot for you to grow and learn and develop. Yeah. Yeah. But not all 32 are like that. Not all 32. I love it.

Let's take a break. You also have a bunch of other players in the NFL or you and your organization. Bunch of other players. I want to hit on, you know, Stroud being one my guy, J.J. Panics. You mentioned Dak. You also got Jalen. My goodness gracious.

If if if Dart goes to the Giants, you'll have the entire NFC East. You know what's that? Oh, you know what? Jameis Winston.

We train Jameis. I know. I'm like, you know what?

They might be eating some W's together. You know, Jameis, there's that window. It's not as small as you think. Just go. That's what you tell them.

That window's not that small. Go ahead and throw in that. I love it, man.

Let's take a break. I've got John Beck right here on The Rich Eyes and Show. deliver a clean bill of health.

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Become a smarter draft fan right now on the PFF NFL podcast the PFF NFL podcast part of the believe Network Follow and listen on your favorite platform Now it's kind of the end of An era for you here in this state, you know, obviously and an end of you know A prep slash college career for you getting ready to go to the pros man Like this is this is it. This is it everything you worked for everything you dreamed of Yeah in terms of working and dreaming about it You sent me a video before I boarded The plane to get here. Yes, sir.

And this video is What JJ? Oh, it's pretty much long story short my dad manifesting my entire life and you know, it was right before I was born and Him just kind of saying, you know going through the names and what you're with your mom Yes with my mom and you know He was just like it's gonna be daddy's little quarterback and and we have that video you were you and you've not shown this I haven't shown it. You know, he only showed me it like six months ago Yeah, so I was just like, oh how come I didn't see this earlier and he said I was just waiting You know, he's patient the time there well everybody it's gonna get dusty wherever you are here is so your dad's shooting it on a Camcorder.

Yep on the day of your birth. Yes, sir, which is January 20th 2003 and you'll see the timestamp in the lower right your mom Megan is is sitting in the hospital having a conversation with your dad. Check it out Gonna be daddy's little quarterback Daddy's little Crazy right crazy, and there's the after photo It's a big dog right There's daddy's quarterback right there and mom's too. Yeah, dude, man.

I'm getting all misty just seeing that Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I got a little bit too, but you know, it's a lot You know from then to now that took place and you know so much they sacrificed and you know Just unconditionally grateful for everything they've done for me and you know, it's only in the beginning. I Mean that was just awesome stuff right there that was in Detroit last year and I believe that was draft day and And then later that night he got drafted by the Minnesota Vikings Unbelievable John Beck is here and you're just you've known JJ for a kid. Hello Yeah, I got to you know, you're talking I got to get to know him at Michigan We worked together for like a little over two years when he was at Michigan so a lot of fun watching him on that national championship year got to go through the draft process with him and Yeah, I'm really excited for him up in Minnesota. I know the building loves him I know he loves it being there and you know, it's coming off an injury but if I know JJ like he's got a super positive attitude, he's been working hard and He's gonna be pumped for this upcoming football season. The kid loves he just loves football man. He's like Jim Harbaugh said it best He was like John this kid is like Football is the candy store for this kid and when he comes into anything football his eyes light up like a kid walking to a Candy store just loves it and it's so true. That's his aura his personality He just loves ball loves competing. It's cool. Yeah, Jim and he and Jim were like spirit animals Michigan like just watching them Together obviously, you know, I could not be more biased when it comes to all that I have a funny story that you will love I'm training JJ and Jim walks out and he's like You know asking me some questions about what like we're working on I'm kind of telling about some footwork stuff and Jim's like grab me a ball This is our ball grab me a ball.

Mm-hmm. He jumped in and started like throwing balls. Like well, I want to feel that I want to like okay, you're telling this and he just threw a bunch of balls Like he was right back in it. Just the comeback kid is back in it Captain comeback captain comeback.

Yeah, I'm at the Rich Eisen show desk furnished by Granger with supplies and solutions for every industry Granger has the right product for you call click Ranger calm or just stop by John Beck is here and we were just talking about JJ McCarthy And you're talking about good spots, right? Obviously Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, I love him. He's he is the man I was so impressed when I was around that team in London last year before they were taken on the Jets you could see everybody was rowing in the same direction and the positivity was off the charts and He's so smart and he knows what to do with quarterbacks you so you're saying JJ McCarthy is ready You think this year because it sure looks like the Vikings are gonna just say we're going with him.

They're going I mean, they wouldn't do that if they didn't believe it. I think the thing I love about Kevin is he's a quarterback guy. He's a quarterback person coach Like he sees the game through that like I really love to listen to what the coaches are telling quarterbacks You know on the like mic'd up stuff or you can hear what the quarterback is saying I read the coaches saying I love the way that quarterback people communicate to quarterbacks in game on the sideline that stuff matters A ton the way that the quarterback is interpreting how the game is flowing How his coach is seeing the game going that stuff matters and I think that's why Kevin's done a great job With his quarterbacks there, you know, he did a great job with Sam last year like you hear the things that he's talking with Sam like I think like if you're a Quarterback person and I'm like, I'm not even talking just a player even like an assistant coach Yes I would want to be in that building to watch what's gonna take place over the next two to three years because I think you're gonna see some great development coming from a really good coach to a really Talented young player. I think it's like, you know You hear about those Green Bay days where you have all those people on that staff with a young Brett Favre and you look at where all those guys went and How they were successful and the things that they do things like you can't tell me that Andy Reid doesn't have a part of what? He does for Patrick Mahomes coming from what he learned in his time with Green Bay and Brett Favre for sure And I think you're gonna see something similar to that with this Kevin and JJ there in Minnesota Boy, you're talking music to the ears of Vikings fans there in a couple minutes that we have left here You know Rory McIlroy just completed his career Grand Slam with the Masters right now We're just talking about sky could be the limit now that that's taken care of Jalen Hurts is one of your guys How do you think he's gonna be now that he's got a ring and he's done it and he has completed the mission once What do you think?

He looks like having that now as a base of operations for him and in Philadelphia? Well, I can tell you this because he was just on the field last week When a guy shows up after winning the Super Bowl and he is focused on little details I'm talking little details to enhance things by fractions of the second when you take that approach after reaching the pinnacle That's that like and I don't want to like say it too soon or anything like that But I think when I think of like the job them the Michael Jordans the Kobe Bryant So those type guys that that had to be their approach like, okay, I got to the summit I want to do it again, but I'm not gonna go as the same player I'm gonna try to do it again as even a better player and that's the approach that I've seen him take this offseason What's an example of what the little things that he's worked on a little arm path thing to get the ball out? Just a titch sooner You don't need it in all your throws but if you can have that here or there and that can be the difference in and that may only be like Two to three completions over a two to three game span, but what if those are on critical third downs in the fourth quarter?

What if that's the difference maker? That's where I believe his mindset is that and so it's cool You know, it's cool to see that you would not know standing out on the field that the approach is Any different from a season where you might have felt like man that didn't go like we want we need to be pedal to the metal We need to be doing everything we can There's not a difference approach now that he's won the Super Bowl. It's the same approach Well, I mean in that that that tracks right with him.

Yeah, the things that he that that he has said Yeah, and and the tush push didn't get banned yet. So they got that going for him I mean and and you know, how he Roseman is Set to have another week. That's pretty much what it's that's one of those franchises you're talking about. Yeah, they've been man They've been really really good and like, you know The one thing I kind of say like when you look at franchises look at how many players they develop How many guys are able to become what they hope they can become or the team wants them to become? Like you just you see guys becoming well, how come in other franchises?

It seems like guys somehow don't become Why does it not work out? It's great question, man I mean that is the the ultimate secret sauce when you're talking about John. Thanks for coming on here, brother Yeah, it's good to be on I can't leave its draft week again. Like I said, let's do this more often It's just a once-a-year thing.

Thanks for coming. All right, sounds like that's John Beck right here on the rich I said show Kaleis Campbell coming up next but I've got two more minutes left here on the Roku sports channel real quick here Again, I'm always gonna be asking you about the secret sauce and I know you're always gonna ask answer me It's different for everybody. But when you're talking Jayden Daniels, you're talking Jalen hurts Dax another one. I understand Dak has not gotten the Championship game several level success and thus there's criticism or what have you but what is there about cool customers? How can you notice that? somebody's Sort of pulse gets slower When the intensity gets more and I know some people might push back Dax not in the even in the level of Jalen hurts Who has now had two? Monster Super Bowls Jayden Daniels Monster performances in games where it's pressure for a supposed kid What is it?

What can you sense it? Is there a through line or any sort of similarities between players? Oh, I think that there's probably a lot of things I could speak on but it only one minute a final minute I would probably say their approach to challenge How do they approach challenges? Mentally, how do they view it? Look, all of those guys love being challenged. They love the feeling of going after a challenge And I don't want to say they're fearless because I think they understand that if it doesn't work out It's gonna be hard like, you know they they hate to lose but but there's a like there's a steadiness to the approach of like I enjoy the challenge and I'm gonna approach it the right way and Then I'm gonna just swing my best punch and I believe in my best punch. I think they got that at times I think challenges can feel like a threat or if it doesn't work out.

What does that mean to the whole story? I think these guys lean into Really enjoying the fact of what the challenge feels like I think they just gravitate towards something that feels like oh you might not think I can or this might be really tough I'm going after that not to turn you into sports psychologist But I get a sense that you do have that part of your your job is a role has a role in that regard Can you teach that to somebody? Can you notice that the quarterback doesn't lean into it? Can you teach that mentality and have it stick and be successful? Yeah, I do think you can enhance it I think that through life experiences some guys it you can say it's natural to them If you go back into their story, there are things along the way that kind of shaped that Okay, let's say somebody may not have all those things Can they recognize it and then start to see it differently and then through some training?

actually learn how to Absolutely, and I guarantee that they're gonna be you know, so perfect at it No, they can't guarantee that but can you can you enhance it and learn it and improve upon it? Absolutely That's why there is sports psychology. That's why there are things like especially going back to Kevin Coaches that can help players young players in the NFL see that feel that especially after they've been scarred If you can help a young guy do that you're putting on the right track Awesome stuff. Thanks for coming on Brian. You're welcome, right? And then of course, there's also a situation like you learn it in life Like getting benched in a national championship game There you go and live to tell and look at the approach and look at the way. Yeah, I'm straight. Yep, John Beck everybody NBA veteran Jim Jackson takes you on the court you get a chance to dig into my 14 year career in the NBA But also get the input from the people that will be joining Charles Barkley. I'm excited to be on your podcast man It's an honor Spike Lee entrepreneur filmmaker Academy Award winner But also how sports brings a life passion music all of this together the Jim Jackson show part of the Rich Eisen podcast Network follow and listen on your favorite platform