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Welcome back to another hour of a Rich Eyes on the Show. I am Tom Pelissero, thrilled to be with you. Two weeks to the day out from the 2025 NFL Draft. Todd McShea coming up in just a little bit. He's got a new mock draft.

It is a fun one, too. He's got trades. He's got a bunch of quarterbacks going in the first round. One of the foremost draft experts. I'm really interested to talk to Todd, dig into some of those issues we've been talking about. The quarterbacks beyond Cam Ward, about the wide receiver group and which one actually comes out of it. And really about where the cutoffs are. Where are the pressure points in the draft? One of the first ones that talked to us, I think he was at the Senior Bowl, right TJ?

Is that right? Where he said, look, Travis Hunter, if he was only a wide receiver, would be the number one wide receiver in this draft. He also just happens to be the number one defensive back. That's how special he is. And you don't have wide receivers or corners go traditionally one or even two. He's both.

And that is why he is squarely in the mix to go at number two. Brogman, I've seen the Masters sweater for the majority of the show. I have not heard the Masters voice in a while. Is there absolutely no action in Augusta?

Nothing that Mr. Nance would like to chime in on? There's lots of action going on in Augusta right now. Scottie Scheffler just hit his approach shot on 13. He is firmly atop the leaderboard, actually now one back at three under.

He's tied with Colin Morikawa and Justin Rose at three under. Our new leader through 12 holes, Tyrell Hatton. Tyrell Hatton, a live golfer who's actually a maniac if you ever watch him play.

He's four under through 12 right now. So once again, the leader is Jim? Tyrell Hatton. Tyrell Hatton. Thank you, Jim. Who is that?

You're welcome. Who is that? As I said, he's a fiery little UK fella who plays on the live tour. He gets very angry. He curses at himself a lot. He likes to throw his clubs. I think he might have some anger issues.

Blends in well on the Euro tour. His name is Tyrell Hatton, is four under. Are you saying Terrell? I think I've said his name three different ways.

I'm trying to follow you here, Jim. Well, it's not Terrell or Terrell. I think it's Terrell Hatton. H-A-T-T-O-N Hatton. Aaron Rye, your early leader, has fallen back. He checks into the clubhouse.

With a 70, he's two u- What is this music? Ooh. I didn't make it.

It was left for me by Del Tufo. T-Y-R-R-E-L-L. I'm going with Terrell Hatton. And the early leader has fallen back. The early leader, Aaron Rye, he wears two gloves. He's two under. Much as his name appears on the leaderboard, Jim, things went awry. Oh, look at you. Tommy a wordsmith.

You used to be a beat writer, I can tell. Corey Connor is also two under. Some guy named Grazerman, I don't know his first name, he's two under.

Jason Day, the Aussie, is also two under. They should really call it the Masters and some other guys. Can I do the voice or should I talk a normal voice? I think we're back. I think the music stops. That's your cue to exit. That's kind of the best part about the Masters is there's kind of an eclectic feel. I mean, you have to be invited. There are some automatic qualifiers, obviously, but, you know, amateurs get in.

They try to really have a diverse field, but it's only like 90-something guys. And, of course, you've got all the former winners who are still eligible to play. They have no chance of winning, but, you know, you've got Ian Woosdam out there and Fred Couples.

That's my favorite part. And Bernard Longer. All these guys are still playing. They're not going to win, but they're out there for the first couple rounds. And one of them inevitably does make the cut, which makes for a super fun weekend. I would like to see this as a twist to the NBA play-in, where, you know, we were looking at it yesterday and talking about it with Joe Vardon, and there's some teams that are going to get into the play-in field like seven, eight, nine, ten games under. What if one team in the play-in field every year was a group of former NBA champions who no longer play? It's basically like the, you know, the three-on-three league. Like the big three. But you field an entire team, much like the Masters, if you've won an NBA title.

Like, what would you give? Wait, so hold on a second. You want a complete 12-man team of former and their only NBA champions? Correct.

You have to be an NBA champion. Currently retired or still playing? No, currently retired.

Interesting. Still playing would be interesting, but then you're almost in an all-star format. I want to see, I just want to see like... Like Clyde Drexler out there? Luke Longley just playing, and it's just like, Luke Long... Is he alive? I don't think that you want to see Luke Longley play basketball.

Yeah, it's still with us. Just imagine, I mean, it can be recently retired players as well, but you have to have won an NBA title, and this becomes the Masters team in the play-in field. You want Kenny Smith out there launching threes? Or the in-season tournament. How about that? You have the in-season tournament. Just let there be an alumni field in each conference, but you are, it's the Masters tournament. That's pretty fun, actually.

I think it would be, you'd have to be crafty. You'd get guys who are, you'd want guys who are just recently retired, right? So like, do KG and Paul Pierce count? Well, recently. Well, yeah, they've won championships. No, I know, but I'm saying, are they far enough? I don't think there's... Are they still in shape, I guess is my question.

It's a problem. None of them is going to be in enough, good enough shape to... Or you know KG is, but like... Yeah, but not to win a playoff game. You could get, though, you could get even prior era players. You're telling me John Stockton can't give you five good minutes right now? He's like 55 years old. No, he can't.

Five good minutes. What the hell is he going to do trying to chase John Moran around the court at this stage? Defense is a problem. I think he could still distribute the ball. Plus John Stockton never won a championship, so therefore he is exempt from comedy. What could MJ give you? Michael Jordan? Michael Jordan. I mean probably like 29, but that's Michael Jordan.

Okay, Michael Jordan and me and Jimmy. He's also 63. I'm never going to say anything less than 30.

All right, so let's say even if it's more narrow, if it's not an all-star team, you just get the 98 Bulls. That's a while ago. Tom, that's 20...

I'm not good at math, but that's 27 years ago. Judd Bushlord's out here chasing around Steph Curry. I'm saying this would be hilarious.

And it would be a nice touch. Torn Achilles and pop hamstrings are great when you're over 50. What was the Pistons team with Chauncey Billups? That's like 20 years ago. That's 04, right? 04. Yeah, so we got Rashid and Tayshaun Prince and those guys.

Darko. Are you telling me you would not watch that? No, I would definitely watch... Tom.

Tom, we hyped up and then watched Mike Tyson fight Jake Paul for months. I mean, I had nothing to do with either of that. It was the most watched thing ever on Netflix. I didn't watch it. Yes, I know. You watched.

No, I didn't. It was the most badly streamed watched thing. Oh, yeah, it kept freezing.

Once it came back... Once the streaming got figured out, we were there. But right now, I'm looking this up. Who would be the 10 seed in each conference? I'm trying to put this team together. So far, I got Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes. I saw Matt Barnes over the weekend.

He's still in shape. You're playing better. Let's say, okay, how about this? The Mavericks. Would you rather watch that Mavericks team, which was competitive last night, but do you want to see that Mavericks team or do you want to see the Thunderwind one with Durant and Westbrook or did they lose?

No, they lost. I'm trying to think of somebody from that era where the players are like right on the border being in route. A championship team from 10 years ago. I doubt you would get any of the stars to play, right?

So it would have to be the 9, 10, 11. Why wouldn't you get any of the stars? I don't think they would be interested in going out there and just getting embarrassed. I think the ego level to be a professional athlete has to be so high that you would believe I can go show these young bucks a little something. I don't want to play 40 minutes, but I can do this. I can go score 20 tonight. Like Mark Madsen, does he want out there?

Okay, that's a great. So that Lakers team. The Mad Dog, T.J.? No. Kobe has passed away, but Shaq, Mad Dog. Rick Fox? You're asking for someone to die on the basketball court.

We don't need to see anybody passing away. But then you would do what it used to be when you create the, I don't know if this was a strictly Minnesota thing, but I remember in playoffs for baseball growing up, you would have your team, but in the playoffs, you would get to select three players from other teams that would be all stars on your team. All right, let's say it's- I've talked to you about this before. We used to do this in pickup back in Altoona, Tom. We're like, you go to the playoffs, right? And then you could draft three guys from a team in your league that did not make, and we benefited strongly one year, man. We got like the best player in the league who never came for his team, Chris, but he showed up for the playoffs and he put up 25 a game for us. So I like that, Tom.

I like that idea. I'm trying to find a team that's got mostly players who are out, but like plausibly could still be in shape. All right, the 0-8 Celtics. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's the one he's talking about. I'm talking about Scalabrini, but you know KG is still in shape.

Yeah. Pierce is probably fine. He can get you some buckets. Kendrick Perkins, you think he's still got a few minutes in? No, absolutely not.

Perks chilling right now, though. What, Eddie House? Free Eddie House. Big Baby. Big Baby I think is in prison.

He's up north right now. Well, we could get him out for this. A work release? There's no rules now.

Work release. No, you play it in the prison. The play-in game is in the prison.

Tom, hold on, prison yard is an entirely different type. First of all, you're playing in jeans? That's the style that that team could win. Different game. It's all about our team.

No foul means different when you're in the yard, dog. We might as well get Michael Irvin. I mean, we all saw the longest yard remake where he plays Adam Sandler one-on-one. 2011 Mavericks. How about that team? JJ Berea is out there somewhere. Dirk could play. Dirk could absolutely play. Tyson Chandler is still tall. Sean Marion.

The Jet. Jason Kidd. Jake Kidd. He's coaching.

He could give you a few minutes. Again, just distribute the basketball. I don't know about the defense. He could distribute the basketball. How about the Heat? Would you rather watch this year's Mavericks or the Mavericks ten years ago? Chris Bosh is in shape. Chris Bosh is probably better. He had a heart issue, so he had to stay in the corner and shoot threes.

He doesn't play defense. Here's what's crazy. Ten years ago was the start of the Warrior dynasty.

That's what's unbelievable. So, and all those guys. You gotta cross that off because they're still all in the league. But the 2014 Spurs, a team that I'm betting, I forgot they won.

Oh, you can't. Tim Duncan. That was the last one. Ginobili. Ginobili. It was the end for Duncan and Ginobili. Matt Bonner was on that team. Matt Bonner, the pride of New Hampshire. Danny Green. Kawhi is still playing, so we'd have to get him an exemption to join the team.

If the team he was on missed the playoffs. Well, that ain't gonna happen. Well, that could be like the Olympics.

What if it's like that? Where you can either play for the country you live in, or you play for your parent's birth country. Where basically it could be like, Kawhi, do you want to play on your current team? Or do you want to play with these guys? Well, considering Kawhi made a conscious decision to leave San Antonio, I'm going to say he'll probably stay with the Clippers.

No, but I'm saying his point at the All-Star team. 8-4-4, 2-0-4, Rich. I want to know, would people watch this? Kawhi and KG together in the frontcourt.

Even after the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson fight, would you watch this? If you had the emeritus, the Masters team, the All-Star team of former NBA champions in place of one of those teams that's currently in the play-in field. More realistically, I think, like I said about our old summer league, if you made up a team based on players who didn't make this year's playoffs, now I think that could really be something. So players on teams that didn't make the playoffs, and they get to play in the play-in? Yeah, and then you just assemble that team together. But that would actually be a real team. Every team has one guy who would make a playoff team better, right? Six teams each conference missed the playoffs. We're making up one team from the teams that don't make the playoffs. And you'd have to give them a funny name, then it wouldn't be the Masters tournament. It would have to be the semi-All-Stars, the playoff-less ponies, I don't know. It's tough.

That's tougher sell. I want to have Jack Nicklaus teeing off and Arnold Palmer at the start. Someone said Tim Leggor. Did he win an NBA title? Tim Leggor? He could probably get up shots.

I don't think he ever won a title, though. I think there would be a direct correlation between the taller you are, the better you can still play. Even though that's counterintuitive because you think the knees go and things like that, I feel like the big guys... Now, Tim Leggor obviously played on the perimeter.

He was a great three-point shooter. But I do think that the small guys are going to struggle more. Just from me, you've lost the quickness that probably made you able to play at that smaller size. I might push back and say the smaller guys are probably still in better shape, though, than the bigger guys. You roll out the 94 Knicks. You roll out Starks and Oakley and just dudes who are going to come out there and... That would be the prison game, right?

Like, just the full-on, there's no rules, there's no fouls. I mean, didn't Oakley fight a security guy like two years ago? It was longer than that. That's a whole thing.

That's why Rich lost his mind. He got thrown out of Madison Square. That was more than two years ago. It was a while back.

I think he got resolved more recently than that. We should probably take a break. I really meant to talk about the draft of that segment.

Let's talk about the next segment. Todd McShea, one of the foremost draft experts. He's got a new mock draft out. He's got his own production company now. What does Todd have to say, and who does he think is going to turn the draft in the top five?

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That's OReillyAuto.com slash Eisen. I cannot believe you watched Charles Oakley get dragged out of Madison Square Garden with your own two eyes, Bobby. I mean, I could not. Spike Lee was there.

You couldn't believe it either. And everyone just like, during the time I was like, boo, boo, boo. Wait a minute, Spike Lee was there? Next thing you're going to tell me, Jack Nicholson was at the Lakers game. McEnroe was there. I know he was right there. He was like, practically in Oakley's lap. Was Woody Allen there? He was not.

I don't know why that's funny. John Lithgow? Was John there? Steve Earle was there, so Steve Earle.

This is the new Madison Square Garden. Leon was there? Oh, sure. Yeah. What about... Bob Costas? Told you. Costas.

Oh, yeah. Can you tell this story? You got to tell the Costas story. When I was like 21 years old, I went to the... I went to the... what was it?

The Heisman Trophy. At the Downtown Athletic Club? Yeah, I managed to get invited. I had an extra ticket or somebody gave me a ticket and I went through the thing. And I went to the bathroom and Bob Costas was in the next urinal. And I was like 21, so this was 1990, 1991. And I said... And I was peeing and I went...

I'm a big fan of yours. And he went, don't you know the rule? You're not supposed to talk when you're in the urinal. And I was like, oh, God, I didn't.

That's how I learned the rule. Anyway, I saw him at the Knicks game. I went to the Knicks game and I never met him before.

Since then. And I said to him, hey, Costas, Bobby Cannavale. I just wanted to introduce myself. He said, when I was 21, I told him the story. And he went, it doesn't sound like something I'd say. Shot me down.

Just complete shoot down. Twice. He was also sitting on the toilet when you told him the second time. He was... He was... He was... He was like, hey... And shut the door, dude.

I don't care that you have two Emmys. Ship. Ship. Shut the door, ship.

Ship. Welcome back to the Rich Eisen Show Radio Network. I'm Tom Pilicero, sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger. With supplies and solutions for every industry, Grainger has the right product for you.

Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. Tom McShay is going to join us shortly here. If we dive deeper into the NFL Draft, phone lines also open 844-204-RICH. Kevin in Arkansas has been waiting quite a while here.

Let's give Kevin a shot. What do you got, buddy? What's going on, guys? I hope you're having a good day, man. What's up, bro? Same here, man. Just want to first say, you know, I appreciate, you know, you guys representing the non-player analyst or journalist, which seems to be fewer and fewer.

But you all just seem like some genuine, just normal old guys. And I really enjoy watching. That being said, I want to talk about the fumble into the end zone rule that apparently, you know, that, you know, I know Rich, he kind of, you know, I'm a big fan, but he let me down. So I figured I'd call him when he wasn't here so he couldn't stop. You know, you know, I know I could get booted off the air quickly. It's on my way.

I bet T.J. and Chris want mine. Well, Kevin, do you only get booted off if Del Tufo's here and he accidentally, you know, hangs up on you? You're safe today. All right. I'm trying to be quick. I appreciate it.

But here's my point is, one, you know, don't fix anything that's not broken. We love the NFL. We talk about how much we love the NFL.

That's what your show is primarily around. And a lot of it is because of the high stakes. There's less games than any other league. You know, there's more contact than any other sport.

Again, so the stakes are high. And to start changing rules, because out of all the alterations that they made at this point, most of it outside of the kickoff of this past season, in my opinion, has not really been taking anything away as it's been to revising or, you know, like redoing a penalty or sort of, you know, adding on to an existing rule, but to literally just take something away. I mean, to me, and I'll get off here, but to correct me if I'm wrong, is it crazier that if you fumble at the very precipice of the end zone, your very job, right, you're right there at the thing and you drop the ball, figuratively and literally, you don't get penalized for it. Well, I mean, if you get sacked in the end zone, I feel like that's more of an argument to not make them punt the ball at least, because that's a ton. Like, you know, they pin them on the one, guy gets a sack, it's two points, and the other team gets it.

Plus, you don't even get the kick at normal. We got it, Kevin. We got it. I mean, that's way more crazy. That's way more than the top. The point is, that's the goal line in the red zone. The stakes are high.

It's always been and it's how it should stay. Thank you, Kevin. Here's the thing. I'm on Kevin's side. I know where Rich stands on this particular Saturday. I actually completely agree.

You're taking something away from the defensive player who made a fantastic play and rewarding somebody for screwing up. I'm with him. Tom McShay is with us right now.

He is, of course, one of the foremost NFL draft experts. Great to see you, dude. I hope everything is going well. I'm sorry to kick off Kevin from Arkansas. I started to think we were going to use your entire segment on Kevin.

I thought maybe that was actually you, and that's like the pseudonym when you check into hotels or something, Todd. Yeah, it's something I should look into. He's hot on that, man. I appreciate his passion.

And here's the thing. No one's talking about it. That's not a rule change that's being proposed, but hey, it might come up again, so Kevin has now made very clear. All right, so we're two weeks out from the NFL draft.

I'm curious just in the macro, too, because you've done this for so long. The sense I get talking to NFL people is that there's fewer elite, like truly blue chip players in this draft than some others, which kind of impacts some of the draft day maneuvering and the trades and things like that. I'm curious, first off, just where you kind of draw the line in your evaluations of who the true blue chip type talent is in this draft.

Yeah, I always kind of go about it with tears, right? And I keep grades on every player, and so I can look back at different years. To me, like the elite top tier is Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter.

It's two men at the top. So after that, though, I think an argument could be made, whether it's at the bottom of tier one or top of tier two, Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan, Ashton Gente, running back from Boise State, Tyler Warren, tight end from Penn State, and maybe Jalen Walker. I would put Jalen Walker right there next, the edge rusher and off the ball linebacker at Georgia. So when you look at those guys, like the next two from a lot of teams would be, well, Graham would be in there, but then also two players at positions that are not considered premium, you know, Tyler Warren and Ashton Gente. But I think when we start getting into the discussion of do we take a quarterback at two or do we take a quarterback at three when the top tier guys, the blues or the blue chips or whatever an organization we call them, are sitting there, that's a difficult decision to make. And quite honestly, you always lean towards taking one of those elite type players and you see if you can get a quarterback later or maybe this isn't the year for the quarterback.

And I think that's why you've seen a couple of the moves that the Giants made. And I think that's why there's still a lot of talk when I have my conversations with friends inside the league that Kirk Cousins is probably going to wind up in Cleveland when you. Well, I want to get back to that momentarily here, but let's start with Cam Ward at one because where the draft begins at two with Cleveland, which could add Kirk and then draft one of those blue chip players you're talking about with Cam Ward. It's interesting conversation because it sounds like if you put him into last year's draft class, I've gotten varying opinions of where he would have ranked.

I'm curious for you, how good of a prospect, not just in this draft because he's in all likelihood going to get number one, but how good of a prospect is Cam Ward actually? I think the conversation would have started at QB for last year. You know, a lot of teams would have had JJ McCarthy. It doesn't mean all teams had JJ McCarthy.

You know, obviously Atlanta had Michael Pennix, but I think the conversation would have started at number four. There's no question in my mind, Caleb Williams. And we'll see what happens in year two with an offensive line that's been restructured and with the coach in Ben Johnson who comes in.

It feels like the right fit for him. But Jayden Daniels, what he did was nothing short of remarkable as a first year player. And then obviously, like folks in New England are thrilled about the potential in the future for Drake May.

So I think at number four, but I also caution too. Like number four, the number four quarterback in last year's draft, that's a damn good player, right? And we saw what Bo Nix did in the right fit with the right coach in the right system with Sean Payton in Denver. And he was the sixth quarterback last year. So everyone who was like, well, Cam Ward would have been the fourth or fifth best quarterback last year. Yeah, but like if you're in Tennessee, wouldn't you be pretty happy with what Bo Nix provided as a rookie?

You know what I mean? So I do think it's important to go in and kind of look at past years and try to give yourself perspective. But at the end of the day, we're talking about the quarterback position. And this is a player who's gotten better and better every year from every stop, incarnate word, Washington State and Miami.

He took it to a whole different level. Most evaluators had at best third round grades on him last year. A lot of people had fourth and fifth round grades. That's why he he initially said he's going to the NFL draft and then wind up going back to Mario Cristobal and said, hey, does the offer still stand? Because when the when the committee gives out grades to underclassmen, the advisory committee that the NFL has put together has been very helpful for a lot of these young men.

It's either a first round grade, a second round grade or go back to school. He went back to school and he thrived in that Miami offensive system. I think from an instinct standpoint, like when pressure is coming, feeling where the pressure is coming, knowing when to to abort, but doing it not with panic. I think that's one of his superpowers. He waits like almost like Mahomes will wait for the pressure to come.

And now you've out leveraged yourself and it's easy to escape. That's what he does. And then the arm angles. And I also think when when he's in rhythm and he gets to the top of his drop, his right foot is planted in and the timing is there with the wide receiver.

He's an absolute assassin. And I think what Brian Callahan looked at that and and got that clip reel of those instances and said, we can get him to do more of this within the structure of our offense. Like I worked with Joe Burrow and this guy can be a damn good starting quarterback in the league.

And that's what they're betting on. And that's why they didn't have the workout with Chador Sanders recently. And it signaled we knew that they were going to take Cam Ward if they were at number one. To me, that signal, when they respectfully canceled the private workout with Chador, that we're not even open for business with the number one pick to trade out of it. And Chador's draft stock where he ends up, it's one of the biggest mysteries going into this draft.

I also saw your latest mock this morning, which reflected what I've heard, too, which is that as much as again, we can we can argue about the value of where they would have been in other classes. But I would not be shocked if Jalen Milro ends up going in the first round. I would not be shocked if Jackson Dart goes in the first. Tyler Shuck is even the other one who hypothetically, I think it's harder the seven years and the injuries and everything else. But he's he's done really well in the pre draft process here. When you look at that next tier, how are you how are you stacking those guys? I've got Jackson Dart just slightly ahead of Chador. And I think it's more of just the physical traits and what what he can be. And I think it's more appealing to a multitude of NFL teams compared to like for Chador to have success. It's got to be with a kind of like precision based offensive attack. That's why I like in this mock draft, I had Cleveland trading back up into the first round of pick 15.

And we could dive more into the mechanics of all of that. But I just look at it from a football perspective. And whether I have Chador rated as is QB two or Dart is QB two. When you sit down and start looking at what could happen draft night.

Well, I'm you have better contacts than I do. And this is this is your lane. But when I talk to people in the league, like I'm not getting any sense that Chador is going two or three to Cleveland or the Giants. I also feel pretty strongly that he's not going to go to the Jets at seven. I think it's very unlikely that he goes to Raiders at six. So now all of a sudden you look at the top 10 and you say, all right, the Saints, that's the landing spot. QB two could be the Saints. And then I look at the history with Kellen Moore.

He's been the offensive coordinator, three different the last three spots. Right. Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert and Jalen hurts the NFL comp. If you talk to a lot of people in the league for Jackson Dart is Jalen hurts.

And they're all kind of sturdy build stronger arms and mobile. And that's like the opposite of what should or is. And it's exactly what Jackson Dart is. And then you look at the pro days and Kellen Moore didn't as a first year head coach. Time is valuable. He's got a lot of things he's got to put in place. Didn't travel out to the Colorado showcase. And I know it's one state over, but it's still a six hour drive or getting on a plane.

He went to Jackson darts. So I start putting all these pieces together. And I just think it's if if New Orleans goes quarterback at nine, I'll be shocked if it's not dark. Let's put it that way. And now all of a sudden we're at pick 10 and Chidor Sanders. And the the the media circus that surrounds the, you know, Coach Prime and his son and that and Travis and the whole program like this is going to be a fascinating night. So twenty one is the next team that you can pinpoint, as you well know, that needs a quarterback. There's been some minor buzz about Miami at 13. I'm not sure about that. So then if Cleveland were to try to go move up, because Stefanski is a perfect fit. When you talk about what he's worked with in the past, precision based quarterbacks.

What was it? Was it McCown? I think. And the Kirk Cousins, obviously winning like eleven and ten games. He's worked with these guys. He's had success. That's his system. He doesn't need the big arm quarterback.

He doesn't need the overly mobile quarterback. And so I think it would be a perfect fit between Stefanski and Chidor. But you've got to get it at the right value. I can't give up next year's one because if I like them that much, I would just take take him at two.

Right. So some kind of deal. They've got five picks in the top one or four. And if you maybe mortgage away a second or third next year with one or two picks from this year, move up.

I put him in Atlanta at 15 because Atlanta only has, I believe, five picks in the entire draft this year. So I truly believe Cleveland's second pick will be a quarterback. And I would be surprised at this point, look at all the private workouts they've had with all these guys leading up to the draft in this short window of time.

I actually think that it's more likely than not that they wind up moving back into the first round to to accomplish that goal. And then obviously the Kirk Cousins piece of this, which any trade involving Kirk is not going to happen prior to round one of the draft. And so there's going to be a tell based on what they do in terms of how they view the overall plan of something that maybe even occurs before that draft ends on Saturday. If we look a little bit deeper into the draft here, Ted, who's a guy or two that you're higher on than maybe what the public perception or other people in the draft community are seeing right now? I know there's some maturity questions and he bounced around to like five high schools and two different colleges or three high schools and two different colleges. I think Walter Nolan is an absolute stud along the defensive front, the Ole Miss defensive tackle. I think after Mason Graham, he's the second most talented interior defensive lineman and he might be the third most talented defensive lineman in this class. Where is he going to come off the board is kind of the question. I look at teams, you know, in that like could 12 be a part of 13 be a possibility with Miami starting in that range. I think he's going to go somewhere in the early teens.

I really do. I think Walter Nolan, but but I think people have kind of been cautious with that. And you look at the sack production hasn't been necessarily elite, but I think Walter Nolan is a lot better. I think I think Jada Baron, the cornerback from Texas. And yes, he played a lot of zone.

And yes, he's got the shorter arms. Will Johnson is going to be a really good pro. He's great when the balls in front of them, you can look at the pick sixes, some of the highlights and some of the things he can do. I think Jada Baron, there's not 15 better football players in the in the draft. And I said there weren't 20 better players in the in the draft when Brian Branch came out and he wound up falling to the early second round. So I think these guys kind of because the position they play viewed as a nickel, the value isn't there.

And I understand that. But I think when we look back on drafts, we're like, how did that guy fall? He's just such a good football player.

Right. And I think Baron is going to be one of those guys that probably belongs in the top 12, 13 picks in this class. But if you start going through the mock, like it's possible he falls into the 20s.

You also had two, not including Travis Hunter, who's a unicorn. I don't even call him a wide receiver. You have true two pure wide receivers going in the first, which I think reflects the opinion within the league for a while now, which is this is just not in terms of the top end talent on par with recent classes here. When you look at at Ted McMillan in particular and the pre draft process has not been ideal for him. Is the tape good enough that someone's going to kind of do like what the Falcons did with Drake London a couple of years ago, which is, yeah, he didn't run a 40 and everybody says he's slow. We don't care.

Tape's good. We're taking him. Ted McMillan's one of the toughest evaluations in this class because you'd have to be blind not to see the six four and the two hundred nineteen pounds and the length and and any slapstick could sit there and watch the highlights and see, you know, the acrobatic catches are phenomenal. I know what he can be in that regard.

And that's that's a pretty good thing. A guy where you can throw the ball up contested catches. He's also really good after the catch. Drake took a year to become the guy that he was this past season in Atlanta, to become a thousand plus receiving yards receiver in the NFL. Drake had a little more dog in him, though. And I get almost a little offended in Drake's camp because I saw in Drake a player who was working his tail off to do everything right. Attention to detail was not a great route runner coming out, had a lot still to learn. Former basketball background, all of that. Ted is has a lot of the same special traits, OK?

But it's hard to unsee some of the tape and you get to go back to twenty, twenty three and you can excuse some of it away, but not finishing routes, not like the lack of attention to detail as a route runner. I just didn't see that same level of dog in him, if you will. And so I'm not as high on him as some people, but I still recognize the talent.

I still think I would still draft him later in the first round, but I think he could go as high as 12 where I mocked him in this recent 3.0 to Dallas, because he like the compliment opposite C.D. Lamb and the opportunities for one on ones against some smaller defensive backs. And Dak being able to just put the ball up.

I see like I see that I can envision the success there. But then I watch Matthew Golden and I watch his attention to detail and the route running and the four to nine speed. And the fact that they needed someone to step up a receiver coming from Houston. And he did that in the big games and the big moments and the ability to adjust to the football. I just like Matthew Golden a lot and a Mecca book is going to be a really good slot.

Like the more you watch them, the more you understand his his kind of subtle brilliance, if you will. I think those are the three guys you could hear their names called. I would take Golden over over Ted McMillan.

But I think McMillan is probably right now, like if you go to FanDuel or wherever, I'm sure the odds are higher for McMillan to come off the board than they are for Golden to be the first true receiver, as you said, in this year's draft. You got the new mock draft that is out, mock draft three point. Oh, I don't want to I don't know what the payroll paywall rules are, what not to tell people how to find all your draft content here going into this draft. I appreciate that. I don't like plugging my own stuff, but just Google it.

It's the McShea report. OK, there you go. Subscribe. You can be a free subscriber. The mock drafts go behind the paywall.

We're on YouTube, Spotify. This week, I just gave out the whole thing on our show. It's you know, I just it was too much, too much to share. We had four quarterbacks in the first round, two trades moving up to get these guys. And I haven't felt this good about a mock draft in a while, which means it's probably you could rip it up after three picks. But it's it was like a three day process of a lot of calls and putting pieces together. Just every once in a while, it feels like we're heading in the right direction.

So we'll see. I'll screw it up by Mach 4.0. Todd, thank you very much, man. Great stuff. Appreciate being here. All right. Thanks, brother.

Take care. Todd McShea, you can find him at all those places. Oh, good.

He just mentioned right now, including the McShea report and his podcast on the ringer. Yeah, Ted McMillan minus 250 would be the first wide receiver taken. See, you're always you're always a step ahead. You're always you always get the numbers. Matthew Golden plus 170.

I love that value. Any Masters updates over there? Oh, the Masters. We want to get back down into the voice because I can do it.

Yeah, Masters. We now have a three way lead atop the leaderboard. Three way tie. Corey Connors, the Canadian now, your clubhouse leader. He is in with a 68.

He's four under right now, tied with the previously mentioned Tyrell Hatton, who's four under through 14 and Justin Rose, four under through eight. Scotty Sheffler, one back minus three. That's good stuff, Jim. Thanks. I'm sure I'm sure Rich Ackerman will fill in the rest. That's right. Let's take a quick break here.

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A Minecraft movie only in theaters. This is a letter written in March of 1998. Two Colts owner Jim or say what at the time, a month away in the draft.

The decision between you and Peyton. Right. It's from Hunter S. Thompson. Oh, dear, James. Dear James. Dear James, in response to your addled request for a quick 30 million dollar loan to secure the services of the Manning kid.

I have to say no at this time. But the leaf boy is another matter. He looks strong and Manning doesn't or at least not strong enough to handle that. Welcome to the NFL business for two years without a world class offensive line.

How are you fixed at left OT for the next few years? James, think about it. You don't want a China doll back there when that freak sap comes crashing in.

OK, let me know if you need some money for leaf. I expect to be very rich when this depth movie comes out. Your faithful consultant, Hunter. And it's signed HST with at the bottom scrolled in handwriting, C.C.

John Walsh, ESPN and C.C. Colonel Depp. How did you come into possession of this? So I'm a Chicago Cubs fan and they were in town last week and I was sitting there behind the dugout and a guy in L.A. here in L.A. And a guy tapped me on the shoulder and said, are you Ryan?

Are you Ryan Leaf? I said, yes, sir. And he said, I'm just, you know, just such a fan of what you're doing now with the foundation and everything like that. And he just talked for a little bit. He's like, have you ever you ever seen that the Hunter S. Thompson letter? And I'm like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

Would you like to see it? And I said, well, yeah, of course. I mean, I didn't believe it for a second.

Right. And there came in the email and I showed it to my my fiance, who's a huge Hunter S. Thompson fan. And we read it. And I just the absurdity of the fact that a Hunter S. Thompson knew who I was and be that he was he was trying to persuade Mr. Ursay to draft me instead was just comical and not to see it for 20 years.

How does it just it's just nowhere to be found. Right. I called John Walsh of ESPN and he says, because he's known Hunter and his family's known Hunter S. for four years. He said his wife was like, why are they thinking it's not real? And as a matter of fact, it's a thousand percent real. Wow. And Hunter S. Thompson was a huge NFL fan and obviously an opinion on the 1998 draft.

Well, I think now that we know that a lot of people had an opinion on the 1998 NFL draft. This is amazing. Isn't that? I love that line.

Is that you don't want a China doll back there when that freak sap comes crashing in. The irony of all this. Right. The irony of this. He would go on and play, start the most consecutive games of anybody.

And I would be injured going into year two and missed the entire season. So we're just just reminding people. Strong underlined. Yes.

Strong. Under his Thompson always had various NFL references in all his books. I read most of it. There's always little bits of and pieces of different things.

Sports related. I mean, that was his that was his original. His original grift was claiming that he was I mean, the entire the main book, his most well-known work was him pretending to go and cover a car race and produce one like caption for a photo. And instead spent tons of money and wrote a novel, basically.

They sent it in there like, what is this? I mean, that that's where fear and loathing in Las Vegas came from. Right. But a big Ryan Lee fan is interesting. There were there were here to think many NFL scouts had some similar opinions. We're big Brownlee fan Colts love Ryan, but Colts ultimately made a fairly wise decision.

Indeed. Welcome back to the Rich Eisen show. Just talk to NFL draft expert Todd McShay.

There are a lot of interesting things from Todd there, including the scenario which a caller had brought up earlier in the show. But the idea of the Browns taking Travis Hunter and then trading up to get your door. And he made the same point that I did to the caller, which was, well, if you think that should do his elite, just take him at two. In this scenario, he's got him trading up to 15, which is still going to cost a lot. It's hard to imagine that they would expend that type of draft capital. But they do have five picks in the top one hundred and change. But going up to 15, would that require a twenty six first rounder to go all the way up from thirty three? You would think yes. OK. You would think or a combination of picks that add up to that. Right. Depending what draft value chart you're going off of, there's different people who use different ones.

It would be a substantial sum to get up there. I just the fact that he's got Jackson Dart, what he said about Kellen Moore and Jackson Dart is really fascinating because there is that sense of would it work playing that style of offense and Kellen? You know, he's always been a pass game guy. But then more recently, last year, he had the number one ranked running offense in the league.

What do you actually want to be? I mean, Chidor Sanders is not a runner. And that is, I told Daryl Colbert, that's the misconception. If you just heard, oh, Dion's kid's a quarterback. Now you think, oh, he must just be running circles around everybody.

No, it's not him. He's a rhythm pocket passer who's accurate throwing the ball down the field. And you better protect him because he's going to hold the ball and try to make those things happen down the field. He really makes sense for the Raiders when you think about it. If they're going to sit him, but I don't know that he wants to go into a place and sit for two years. Geno is a rhythm pocket passer.

Obviously, Tom Brady, a rhythm pocket passer, is kind of overseeing all of this. Right. You would think, though, that would make more sense if you were not committed to Geno effectively for two years.

Sure. But we've seen weirder things. Kirk Cousins had a $100 million commitment and he's still a member of the Atlanta Falcons. Justin Fields is now a member of the New York Jets after a bit of a strange year for him, getting traded from Chicago to Pittsburgh, starting four and two, getting benched, never really playing again. He spoke to the media upon arriving for the offseason program.

Here's a little bit of what he had to say. Of course, I've been on good teams. I've been on bad teams. So just the mindset and really just like you said, the leadership and AG has been in the same situation to where Detroit, they didn't start off hot. So I think he knows how to take a bad situation and turn it into a good one. So, you know, I've I've seen you know, I've been on teams that have been three and 14 and stuff like that. And of course, last year, Pittsburgh, you know, we had a pretty good team making it to the playoffs and had a hot start. So I've seen both sides of it. So, you know, I can kind of tell the difference between just the characteristics of a team that is not doing so well and the characteristics of a good team.

So, of course, really just trying to implement that into, you know, our team and try to get all the, you know, good characteristics and just find the recipe of, you know, what makes up what makes us a playoff team. So Justin Fields also in the course that same interview, I believe we have this sound, too. He was asked, well, what happens what happens if the Jets take a quarterback at number seven?

Here's what he said. Justin, what if the Jets take a quarterback here, whether it's seven, second round, whatever. How do you feel about the possibility of a young guy who might, you know, you might have to mentor or could be like nipping at your heels? I don't really like to answer rhetorical questions, but like I said, I'm willing to teach. But yeah, I don't I'm not really interested in, you know, rhetorical questions.

All righty. OK, not really a rhetorical question, but we'll let that part slide. It's two years, 40 million is bridge quarterback money. They are they got 30 million dollars guaranteed. He set up to be the starter this year, probably next year.

But that's not that's not the type of money that you can't go and draft a long term answer. If he'd been back in Pittsburgh, I mentioned earlier, the Steelers probably would have drafted a guy, too, which is part of the reason he went for the bigger commitment with the Jets. You know, I don't see them taking a quarterback at seven.

That would that would surprise me. Especially because I don't know that there's another Justin Fields type player, if that's the style of offense that you want to build. You're taking Jalen Milro up there.

You're taking Jackson Dart. Probably, probably hard to say, especially because, you know, you need other positions to help you try to be like he's talking about a playoff team in twenty, twenty five. But it does raise the specter again of, well, number one, that's kind of the you know what you get being with the New York media. But also we talk about what the surprises could be come draft weekend.

That would definitely be one of them who would create a really interesting situation for the Jets as they move forward. We had another one of the top quarterbacks in the draft, by the way, coming on the show tomorrow, Quinn Ewers. Oh, all right. Texas Quinn Ewers finally got to come on when Rich was not on.

He's been in the leading the arch manning brigade all this time. All right. A lot more fun to come.

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