Stewards Of Our Pain After Hours

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The Masculine Journey After Hours starts here now. Since both men are brawlers still with the edge and power going to Clubber Lang, I would say very long against Val Boer regaining his title. What's your prediction for the fight then? Prediction?

Yes, prediction. Pain. I thought I'd just have to start out with that, Danny, because it's your topic, but we might be talking about something painful. Painful, yeah. We're talking about being stewards of the pain we've been given. And that's what we're talking given. And how life is full of pain, but what you do with it.

Whether you learn from it and become a steward of it and use it to help others or navigate life better or become bitter and isolate. Joshua says, the Lord says, I put before you life and death, choose life. No, that's a perfect segue into what we have. I mean, I did not know that Two Bears was quoting Joshua. He was, yeah.

So Rodney. Ten bears. How many bears we got here?

Two bears minus eight. Yeah, okay. I barely knew it. That one's embarrassing. Well, now Clubber Lang is an official member of the band of brothers. He gets to introduce the topic. I like that. That was well done. Yeah, this is the outlaw Josie Wales and it's when Josie Wales meets Ten Bears. And I was trying to think through what would be a good clip and it kind of, the thing that jumped out to me was the part of the clip, it'd be towards the end.

Go through life without butchering one another. And that just jumped into my mind when he was talking about the pain. And I was like, where did that come from? It took me a few seconds. I was like, yeah.

I said, everybody will love this. Rodney is back in form. He's bringing the outlaw Josie Wales. I started thinking about the outlaw Josie Wales and his life. And you pick up in the first scene when he's basically having his family murdered, his son and his wife are murdered by the renegades that are going through their red legs, they call them. And then that thrust him into shooting because then the next thing you see, he pulls out his pistol from there and he's shooting and he's not hitting anything.

And then he's hitting a little better and then he's hitting better and better. And then the next thing you know, the army from the south comes by and he joins up with them. And then next thing you know, they're off and on war.

So he's working through that pain of his loss of his family. And he kind of picks up another family, which is the guys he's in war with, which often happens in times like that. And then the end of the war and the south loses. And then the north says, oh, you can come on over. They had a trusted person that came over and said, if you guys give up your guns, then you'll get your life and you get to go back to wherever you want to go and go back to the farm or whatever you're going to do.

And it's just a ploy. And the guy who was telling him to come in was actually duped also by other people that were telling him it was going to be okay. So next thing you know, they're lined up in a firing squad and everybody gets killed, except for the one young guy, which Josie Wales comes in and saves him a little bit because he started, he was watching off the distance.

He was the one guy who would not go in and turn himself in. And so there he's betrayed again, and all his family is murdered in front of him. The kid escapes with a bullet wound and he does everything he can, not what Josie Wales does, to try to heal him and get him through it. And he really allows him to have a, as peaceful as you can, death and trying to heal him and doing things for him. And they go on, you know, on their run from the lock, so to speak. Even though it was completely illegal, all they wanted to do was kill him.

He was in the right, they were in the wrong, but they're the ones doing the chasing. And he tries to heal that kid's life and tries to talk into him and speaking to him is when he's give him as peaceful a death as he can. So then after that all transpires, the kid's going to die. And he runs into the family that's traveling out west. You know, the proud Kansas people that wouldn't even talk to somebody from Missouri because they were just horrible people.

You know, she's full of pride. And even those people he takes on and becomes a part of their family and he tries to prevent them from getting killed by the Comancheros. He rescues them and then on down the road, two of the guys that are part of that whole outfit traveling across the country, they're taken captive by the Comanche, which is led by 10 bears. So all by himself, he goes off to try to set them free. And that is this is the discussion when he meets the leader of the Comanche, 10 bears, and you get to hear about life and death.

I have heard. You're the gray rider. You would not make peace with the bluecoats. You may go in peace. I reckon that I got nowhere to go and you will die.

I came here to die with you. I live with you. Governments don't live together.

People live together. Governments, you don't always get a fair word or a fair fight. Well, I've come here to give you either one or get either one from you. I came here like this so you'll know my word of death is true and that my word of life is then true. The bear lives here, the wolf, the antelope, the Comanche. And so will we. I will only hunt what we need to live on, same as the Comanche does. And every spring, when the grass turns green, the Comanche moves north. You can rest here in peace, butcher some of our cattle and jerk beef for the journey. The sign of the Comanche that will be on our lodge, that's my word of life. And your word of death? It's here in my pistols, there in your rifles. I'm here for either one. These things you say we will have.

We already have. That's true. I ain't promising to nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another.

It's said that governments are achieved by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see. And so there is iron in your words of life.

No sign paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of tin bearers carry the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life or death. It shall be life. Yes, and the decision for life and the only way you're going to get life is through Jesus Christ. I mean, that's what us as believers know and hold on to. And I think that's what we what us as believers know and hold on to. And then when you look through Scripture, sufferings, trials, tribulations, and then all the things that come out of that. There's just so many different Scriptures to bear up, to persevere and walk through those. And you can see that through great saints of the past when the martyrdoms and other things that you hear those stories of people that were able to endure great things.

And of course the Lord Jesus Christ took on the wrath of the Father, which is I just picture it as being something so intense that, you know, of course you couldn't even describe it so it doesn't get really talked about other than it happened. And when you're talking about in those sufferings, it's one of those things that I love how it's put in the midst of suffering. It's not that you're going to just be joyful because of the suffering, but in the midst of suffering, in the midst of trials, in the midst of a tribulation, in the midst of horrible experiences or somebody putting you down or whatever it happens to be, in the midst of all that, we still have joy and peace in Christ.

And that's the walk that we all just want to have. Darrell Bock So Colossians 1.24 is a particularly challenging verse for me, always has been, but it reads this way. Who now will rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church? In other words, your sufferings fill up, in some translations, it even says, fill up what is lacking in his affliction. And so that's particularly challenging, isn't it? Darrell Bock Yeah, that's probably what is lacking, yeah.

Darrell Bock Right. Well, I read the King James, and that's probably ESV or something. So have you ever thought about that? That particular verse is telling us something very deep about our sufferings that, as we again are joining with what he did, that there's some level of suffering that the earth is still requiring to do in order to get us to where we're going. And it certainly is that way in my life, right? There's no way in the world that I would have anywhere near the understanding of God I have had I not had some of the sufferings that I've experienced. And I would have, you know, because there's certain things you can't learn except through sufferings. And, you know, as we were talking about, I think we were talking about it during the break, you know, very the first thing that life begins with suffering, right?

A mother is going through birth pains, and what most babies remember is a slap on the butt. It starts right there. Like, this is what I can expect out of people.

Like, what's up with that? So I think that that asks a deeper question to you, Rodney, because I loved what you said when we were talking about this topic. I didn't challenge you then because I was waiting to challenge you now. I knew it was coming because I remember you challenging a few others around this table. Because what you said was, you know, I really haven't had much pain. You know, I didn't really suffer all that much. You know, and it makes an amazing point. So you can help others.

No. Well, it does so that you can help others. But, you know, we used to talk about all the time that your pain seems completely normal because you don't know any other thing. That's exactly what you experienced. And so that must be normal. And so, you know, we'd like to play that clip from, I can't think of the movie. But the kid, the guy is, he says, you know, it was just like, you know, I had a normal upbringing.

They tied me up in a burlap bag, whipped me with barbed wire, you know, just like anybody else. It's the same thing you had. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how you think of your life.

Because Satan has, you're so convinced that you had that coming. Yeah. I think that's part of it. I think part of that, when we're in our walk and thinking, well, I deserve to have this horrible thing happen or something like that, or whatever that suffering is.

But in like my case, I honestly, when I look back at my life now in Christ, I'm like, seriously, I look at the suffering, like you've had very, very major physical things that I'm like, oh, no, I never really had any of those. Wait a minute. Just wait. I know. I just, I happen to know a little bit more about it. And again, you may not want to talk about them. And I understand that. And I don't want to pry where I'm not prying. I know. But you've had some severe physical pain. But what are you thinking of specifically?

I'm racking my brain. Well, I don't want to. Yeah, it's okay. I don't want to go to someplace that you don't want to go. But I think it's worth for you, exploring. What's Robby talking about? Because I think, again, we tend to discount our own suffering. And we have to explore what Robby's talking about, like all the time, because we really don't know.

I'm sure that's true. But I can tell you that if it weren't for me being on the radio and constantly people saying, Robby, tell them about the time that this happened and tell them about the time that happened, because at some point in time it happened. But I've long since forgotten about those things. And I never think, you know, somebody says, well, you've been through a lot. No, I haven't.

What have I been through? Are you tracking with me, Danny? I think so. Okay. It's kind of scary. Yeah, it would be. Pain.

Okay, Clumber. I think to try and understand that rejoice in your pain, I think we have to know from which source that pain is coming. If the pain is coming from the Satan that's after us, there's no rejoicing in that. But if the pain is coming because of our fellowship with the Lord, then we can rejoice in that because we know it's for a good reason. Satan punishes us for his own reasons, which are not good. Yeah, they rejoiced in their sufferings in the book of Acts, and that was the case.

So go ahead, Danny. There's an element of this that we hadn't really talked about that I wanted to talk about a little bit. But, you know, 2 Peter 1.5 says that his divine power has given us everything required for life and godliness through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. And to me, that's, you know, because it says we were talking about words earlier, it says his divine power has given us. And to me, knowing that I was created in his image and likeness, we talk about that at boot camps and stuff all the time. And, you know, he knit me together in my mother's womb. He didn't necessarily orchestrate the pain in my life.

But what he did orchestrate was the Prego spaghetti sauce is in there. You got what it takes to make it. And that's already in my DNA. I just have to discover that.

It's like the fighter or whatever. You have to discover those kind of things that, you know, but that increases my faith to know that, yeah, I've got it. I love what Harold said is that, you know, you don't know where the pain may be coming from. But the idea is that I got faith in a daddy who created me for this moment right here and right now, because I wouldn't be here otherwise, whatever it is. Does that make sense? Or have I just gone off the rails totally? Darrell Bock No, no. I mean, there you go.

It's all over the place in this topic. But before we go too far, I want to get Art's, you know, there's dog pain involved that we need to discuss. Not to mention the outlaw Jersey Whales.

It's a cow that's been screaming. We got 10 dogs. Art Smith Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So yeah, my dog experience pain, you know, you know, Sam, Sam said I could talk about my dogs every time. So my, my, my dog, Bella, Claire, and Max, we were out. We were with a neighbor, we were trying to find a property line, a stob, a stake that had been left there years ago, and we were looking for it. And my neighbor now, he's got this high tensile electric wire that is pretty hot.

And I just have barbed wire. But anyway, me, me and my neighbor were looking for the, for the, for the stop. And the dogs had found an old log that was interesting to them, maybe a raccoon or something had been there earlier. And they were all from us a ways. Just tearing this old log apart, this partially rotten log apart.

And so weren't really thinking about them. And I was override cross the barbed wire part. And we were looking for this stake. And the next thing I knew my Bella Claire started wailing and hollering and running away. And I called her and she came back to me and she got between my legs and sat there and I and my neighbor said that she had touched his electric fence and it it really, really hurt her.

She, she sat there between my legs and I rubbed her and hugged her for a long time and she was just shaking. And the thing is she, she does know what an electric fence is and she stays away from them. There was something about the way he had constructed this fence. He had a wire hanging down or something. It didn't, didn't appear to be an electric fence to her, I guess.

And she touched it. But, but anyway, after, after a while I had my neighbor go get a leash. So I was going to make sure she didn't get near that fence again.

And me and her together, we crawled under, we crawled under the barbed wire and, and went back to the four wheeler. And she was still a little, little bit afraid. But part, part of what her being afraid of is that, in her, she is a rescue dog and in her previous life they had used the shot collar on her extensively, apparently. And, and, you know, Danny was talking about the fear of pain and I'm sure that had a lot to do to, a lot to do with it. It made the pain a lot worse and it probably brought up some memories in her that, some unpleasant memories. So, so, so Danny, can you tie, does this tie to your, your clip about the fear of pain and how that changes behavior, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it would, I mean, it would alter your, your behavior because the fear of something may make you miss something or, or, or not experience something because of the fear.

I mean, lots of people go through life, they won't do certain things because fear of flying, fear of whatever, fear of going out on a boat, whatever it is. So. Right. But by the same token, it's kind of cool to see both Kevin and this case art, you know, perfect love drives out fear.

Yes. And she, she is such a, such a good dog now. She was, like I said, when she came to me, she, she had a lot of issues because of the way she was treated, but she's mostly gotten over, gotten over most of it, but yeah, revisiting that shocking and that pain and yeah, that really affected her there. And, and it's kind of interesting to me that God allowed it. It is. Yeah, it is. And so that to an extent she could see even in that trauma, I could still rely on art.

Yeah, she came to me, she did for comforting him. Like we should do, get pain, physical or mental, go back to the Lord, not the art, the Lord. Yeah. Well, you know, for Bella, you know, every once in a while, or for anybody, right, they want a little God with skin on. And, and if we can be that for somebody, right, and love them through Christ, then you get this interesting effect. But, you know, you couldn't be more right art that, I mean, grant, I can always get you too mixed up, but whichever you are, wherefore art thou?

What can I say? Whichever you are, you know, it's, it's certainly a part of it, but I can't help but note that it's kind of cool that, you know, there was a dog that was obviously so terrified. It, it was, it was in one way, but now perfect love is drawn, is driven out fear.

And it's, it's that way with foster children often. But in my case, you know, you might even remember, I was afraid of the dark. And it was extremely painful to me to go to bed almost every night, because I just knew that this could be my last one. And, you know, it could be that the, the, you know, Boston Strangler was coming, and who knows? You know, that's just how that was. But, you know, Jesus came for me that one time, and he pointed out that what's the worst thing that can happen is not your physical death. It would be being separated from him. And, you know, that's, that's the thing that interestingly it teaches.

Now I've not challenged you all with this, but I'm tempted. So in Rodney's talk at the advance camp, which was, by the way, all I can say for you guys, you missed it. It was one of the best talks that I've ever heard.

It really was. And he quoted the scripture that is very challenging. And it says, see now, and it's Deuteronomy, you can look it up, 32-39, see now that I, even I am he, and there is no God like me. I kill, and I make alive. I wound, and I heal.

Neither is any that can deliver out of my hand. And actually, Job says almost exactly the same thing, where he says, you wounded me. So the, the question that you may want to ponder, I know I ponder it, is it is, the wounding was allowed, however you look at it, because it's like I rejoice to my sufferings because I was suffering for Christ. But in any way, because he, he allows suffering in our lives in some way for our good, if he loves us, right, which he certainly does love me. And so in almost any wounding that you may have, God may be after something, if you want to look for it. We get healed, maybe even better than before. Right, right. Rodney, you, you're the one who used the scripture.

Yeah, I know, it's one of those things that challenges you, and it challenged me greatly, because again, it's, it's completely a trust factor. Do I trust him in that, that whatever happens to me, whatever happened to me in the past, even though I'm like, how could a good and gracious God do that? It's like, but what if that wouldn't have happened? Where would I be? Would I have even come to Christ? Would I have salvation? Or what, you know, I could be out there, you know, for a life eternally in hell, rather than going through some suffering here that drove me to him, that broke my own spirit, that I could trust in him. And I'm like, I just, I just don't know those things.

But wow, I just, yeah, it sets your heart up pounding. Harold? Harold Jobe thought he knew God. But he went through his experiences. And then God confronted him. At the end of that, he knew God.

Right. But there was a lot of pain. So that was to get him there. There was a purpose behind God allowing what happened. It was so he could be closer to job.

Darrell Bock I wonder how many, you know, losing your kids, losing all that stuff. And yet, clearly from that book, you see that God restricted what he could do and what he couldn't do. God has control of it.

And yet, you couldn't be more right. That as a result, you know, Jobe had the ultimate comfort. Darrell Bock The witness, Jobe and his buddies, they knew more about God when it was over. Darrell Bock Oh, yeah. And how many know more about God because of that story that's been told over and over and over.

I know that was the major story for Robby's life. And I can wonder how many others have had that same Jobe experience reading through it and getting saved and coming to know Christ through that. Danny, I'll give you the last word since, you know, it was your topic after all. Daniel Bock Faithful are the wounds of a friend is what Scripture says, sir.

Darrell Bock Oh, good one. All right, well, you can see how much fun we have here at Masculine Journey with the outlaw Jersey whales and all that stuff. We want to tell you about this advanced boot camp that's coming up April 4th through the 7th at Carolina Bible Camp. Go to masculinejourney.org. This is the Truth Network.