Is Israel On the Verge of All Out War with Iran?

On the verge of an all-out war with Iran...

I'm going to miss a minute of today's broadcast. I've got two special guests from Israel. One, a first responder to a massacre of children at a soccer game in Golan Heights this past Saturday. Second, a long-time friend, Messianic Jewish leader from Israel. As we talk about the larger conflict now with Israel taking out the political leader of Hamas, as well as a key military leader for Hezbollah, Iran calling for a direct attack on Israel.

Things heating up very, very intensely. I will not be taking calls as I normally do. Sit back, take in the broadcast. What we're going to do, and we've never done before, with all the talk on the ground, talking to leaders serving in Israel, I myself saw the footage from October 7th and reported on that. Then on my trip to Israel in June, went to the site of the NOVA music festival with a couple hundred plus young people and partiers slaughtered there in cold blood. Went to the field where all the burned and bullet-ridden cars are parked, stacked up. We've done our best to report from the front lines, but we've never done what we're about to do.

And it's almost a little scary. But we want to talk to a first responder. Magen David Adom is the Israeli Red Cross, literally the Red Shield of David. It's the Israeli Red Cross.

And Arya Meir is one of the people who was the first responder when a Hezbollah missile fell and fell in the midst of a soccer game in a Druze community in the Golan Heights. The Druze are kind of their own people. They will fit in whatever society they're in in the Middle East. They have kind of an offshoot of an Islamic faith, but they will serve in the military. They are patriotic.

And they're the last ones that want to be involved in a conflict like this. Arya, thanks so much for joining us from Israel in the evening. I appreciate you being on the line of fire today. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you for welcoming me. Yes, I can hear you.

I can hear you. So how long have you been working with Magen David Adom? So I've been with Magen David Adom for 12 years. I've been a paramedic in the organization for all of that time.

The last couple of years I've also been working with Magen David Adom's International Relations Department. And how many times have you served as a first responder? Served as a first responder. I've been serving as a first responder for well over 20 years. I started off in the UK as an EMT and paramedic.

And then I moved to Israel 12 and a half years ago and that's been my full-time role for all of that time. Wow. Extraordinary. How did this scene strike you?

You've been doing it all these years. You've seen things that most of us could not even imagine. In a lifetime we never see what you've seen many times. What was the scene like, Aryeh? So we've, like you say, unfortunately first responders in all the security services, non-emergency services face scenes that are difficult to comprehend.

Things that we will sometimes see once a week or once a day when people only see it once in a lifetime. And the scenes that we have been seeing since October 7th have been extremely difficult. The scene on this past Saturday, although I wasn't there personally, but the scenes that we had there and that our first responders faced in the Druze village of Majd al-Sams on the Golan Heights, where 12 children were killed by this Khilbala rocket, were horrendous scenes. One of the first responders who was on the scene, one of the first EMTs that was there, was a Magendaviladom EMT. And unfortunately he found that his daughter was one of the casualties in this horrendous incident. Oh my, I didn't know that.

I'm so sorry. So it's been, again, Magendaviladom as Israel's national EMS organization. We're the country's largest volunteer organization as well.

We have just under 3,500 paid employees, but 90% of our workforce, over 33,000 people, are volunteers. And those volunteers have always been very active, very dedicated to the work that Magendaviladom does, whether that's on the frontline in the EMS side of it, whether that's the blood bank. We are Israel's national blood service as well. Whatever the roles are that we play within the Iranian society, we have members of every single part of the Israeli society, whether they're from the Muslim population, the Druze population like you mentioned, whether that's the Christian population, the Druze, the ultra-Orthodox, every single part of Israeli society is very much represented within Magendaviladom.

And it's one of our strengths in the fact that we are inside every single part of the Israeli society. What are some of the worst things that you've seen over the years? Obviously, October 7th was very difficult for all of our staff, for the EMTs, for the paramedics, even for the dispatchers who weren't necessarily seeing with their own eyes what was happening, but were taking calls that are absolutely unthinkable. Children who were hiding in closets, the gunfire in the background, talking to people who were at the site of the Nova Music Festival. And again, you can hear their life basically being taken from them.

And I think it's very much for many, many people who were involved and who have been involved for many years. October 7th and those days around that, and again, like last Saturday up in Majd al-Shams, are some of the worst events that we've ever had to deal with. It was also the fact that Magen David Adam came under direct attack from us terrorists, planned to attack ambulances and planned to attack our members of staff who were responding to the emergencies. One of our EMTs was killed in the ambulance that he was on his way, in a very clearly marked ambulance, on his way to the music festival. One of our paramedics was killed in a clinic as she was treating other people.

And when she was found, sometime later, she was found with a tourniquet tied around her own leg, so she'd been injured at some point and was so dedicated to doing what she was doing, to saving the lives of those who came to her for help, that she continued treating them despite everything that was going on around them. And Israel is a very small country. We have slightly less than 10 million people living here. And it means that it's very personal, that you're never more than two degrees of separation from somebody who's directly affected by everything that's been going on, whether that's on October 7th itself, whether that's in the war that's been going on ever since. And now we're kind of staring down the barrel, worrying about what might happen over the next few days. The Middle East is a very, very tense place to be. Israel is a very tense place to be at the moment.

And Magen Aviadom is ensuring that whatever can be done to be prepared for any eventualities is being done. Over the last couple of days, three days in fact, we've held a nationwide drill to prepare for escalation in the war, to prepare for what might happen. And the truth is this drill was planned for many weeks, but it's now fallen around what's been happening in the events of the last 48 hours in the Middle East, where two of the chief terrorists, one from Hezbollah, one from Hamas, were assassinated. And now Israel is very much on the highest state of alert it possibly can be. Just in the last few minutes, just before I started talking to you, there were red alerts and rocket fire again into the north of Israel. And this is something that obviously concerns us as an EMS organization that needs to provide aid and care to the people of Israel, whatever might be happening around us.

Let me ask you a kind of unique question. Based on your viewpoint and how much you see all the unjustified suffering from October 7th to the killing of the children in Mazar al-Sham, what would you say to the people of Gaza? Obviously, your heart goes out to them as they suffer. You know, the IDF does its level best to avoid civilian casualties. But if you could speak to the people of Gaza, what would you say to them? Nobody in Israel wants a war.

That has to be the bottom line. Nobody here wants to be fighting a war. Nobody wants to be losing members of their family or friends or being in a situation that is impossible. And we want this war to end. We want there to be peace in this region. We want to be able to live in peace alongside neighbors. And we want them to accept the fact that the Jewish state is going to stay here. And again, the Jewish state is here and protects all the minorities that live in the state as well, whether they are Muslim, whether they are Christian, whoever they are.

One of the most notable things about the state of Israel is that it is the only country in the Middle East where the Christian population is actually growing. And what I say to the people in Gaza is that if they want peace, then it's very much attainable. And it's what we hope for. It's what we pray for.

And that's what we would like to be working towards. We would like to obviously see the hostages returned as soon as possible. Well over 100 hostages still being held in Gaza for the last 300 days.

This is the 300th day of the war. And we would like to see them home. And we would like to see peace in this whole region. And of course, sir, I know that's your heart. And I'm still just having a hard time processing the report about an EMT, seeing that one of the casualties is his own daughter.

But that's what we asked you to be on the air, sir. Just so people can feel the reality and the weight of this. I'm looking at the website m, as in my game, d as in David, ais. So mdais.org. This would be a great time and a great place to make a donation.

Friends. Especially when you realize how much of this is volunteer. And how much is this, whoever it is, if it's a Muslim that's been killed, Israeli Jew that's been killed, Druze, a Christian, they're there the same way.

mdais.org. Go there and tell fellow human beings we're standing with you in the land of Israel. Aryeh, thank you so much for joining us. I deeply appreciate what you're doing and taking the time to be with us.

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Get on the Line of Fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome friends to thoroughly Jewish Thursday. How wonderful it would be if Shalom Aleichem could be sounded through the Middle East.

This is Michael Brown. In a moment, I'm going to be joined by my dear friend, longtime colleague, Messina Jewish leader Ron Cantor. Israeli citizens lived in Israel for years now with his wife, Alana, and their kids. He's in the States for a bit now.

We coordinated right before the show that he was going to be around, so we wanted to bring him on. I'm still a bit overcome just thinking of the realities that we heard from a first responder, Arya Myers, from the Magen David Adom. Just so you can be aware what's happened in the last few days. A few weeks back, Israel launched a major operation to take out Mohammad Deif, who is the military commander of Hamas in Syria. The building he was allegedly in was decimated and just in the last 24 hours, Israel has confirmed, yes, for sure, he was killed.

He was the senior military leader. Then, over the weekend, there was a Hezbollah rocket that fell in a Jewish village in the Golan Heights. We just heard about that during a soccer game.

It fell on the soccer game as the kids were playing. A dozen kids killed, others obviously terribly wounded. Then Israel immediately retaliated and took out Fuad Shooker, who is a senior military leader with Hamas. Took him out in Lebanon. Then, the biggest news of all, Ismail Haniyeh, who is the political leader of Hamas. He's been safe in Qatar for 10 plus years. He was in Iran for the inauguration of the new president and was killed with a rocket going into his bedroom in Tehran, taking him out and his Iranian bodyguard who was there.

He's lost several of his sons, been taken out by Israeli weapons, as well as grandchildren because they've been that devoted to terror. So, this has now peaked everything. Houthi rebels from Yemen got a rocket into Israel, Israel struck there directly. So, everything is really heating up in ways I can't remember on this level from so many angles. So, Ron, always good to talk to you, even in the midst of intense times like that. Could you fill in more?

I tried to just give an overview of the key events. Take us on the ground. What does it feel like? What's going on?

Sure. Well, it's heavy. It's very heavy. It's intense. It's not a fun time to be in Israel and to be in the Middle East. You know, even since – if we go all the way back to October 7th, just we're not used – I know it's an intense area, but we're not used to being in a year-long war. But you summed up basically the recent history. There were 12 children that were playing soccer on Shabbat Saturday about a week and a half ago from the northern Druze village.

I've been there many, many times, been there with tour groups, sweet people, wonderful people. And they're Arabs. They're not Jews. And so, when Hezbollah bombs Israel, they're not saying, let's go after this military target, let's go after these soldiers. We're at war. They're just lobbing missiles.

And this was a very short-range rocket, and it landed on a soccer field where kids were playing soccer. Twelve were killed, others dozens more injured. And we retaliated, as you said, but notice we didn't retaliate against innocent civilians in Lebanon.

We certainly have the firepower. There's nothing that they can do to stop Israeli missiles from finding its targets. But we didn't want to respond by killing women and children. We targeted their top military leader, Shekar, as you said earlier. And, of course, they weren't real happy about that.

And then it was really just hours later. And the latest news is that it was not an Israeli missile that found its way into Ismail Haniyeh's apartment, but it was an explosive device that had been planted months before in the apartment complex. And, of course, it's assumed that it was through Mossad, but we don't have any verification of that. No one's denied it, but this guy who is called the political leader of Hamas. And when they say that, it's almost like they're saying, oh, well, he's not that bad. He's not like Sinwar. Yeah, he's not like that.

But the fact is they're exactly alike. He on October the 7th, he he watched he filmed himself watching on TV the atrocities and then giving praise to the Muslim God. Yeah. So right now, Israelis are bracing for a response from Iran. Iran's kind of in a no win situation. They were embarrassed, you know, humiliated it in the Middle East.

It's just a very different mindset than than America or the West. It's they have no choice but to respond or they would lose face all over the Middle East. That's one of the reasons why they're being so loud about it, almost telegraphing their their next movement, because I don't think that they want war. That's one of the reasons that they use Hezbollah.

They use the Houthis. They use Hamas is because they don't want to directly be involved themselves, because that would that would escalate things. You know, as everyone know, Israel has nuclear weapons.

We've never used them. We call it the Samson option, meaning we would never, ever, ever use them unless it was, you know, to save our country from extinction. And of course, there is America. You know, they do not want a conflict with America. And thus far, the U.S. says has said that if Iran attacks Israel, that they would have our back. So I talked to my wife this morning and she said the mood is is it's very intense on the ground in Israel. People are expecting something maybe even as soon as tonight. I don't think it would be tonight because the Iranians just met with their the leaders of their proxies, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas today in Tehran.

They can't use Zoom or Skype because it would all be intercepted. So they have to bring everyone there for a meeting. But it's it's it's a little bit of a scary time. And one of the things I share with you this morning privately is my big concern is I'll tell you what my first reaction was. My first my first reaction was bring it on.

You know, you you tried this in April. You sent 300 projectiles, missiles, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and and drones. And we took down over 99 percent of them. And as I said that in my heart, as I said, bring it on.

I realized that overconfidence paves the way to bad things. I remember back in 1967 when Israel won the six day war handily. It's called the six day war because we took the West Bank, the Golan Heights and the entire Sinai Desert in six days. It's unheard of in modern warfare or in any warfare to take so much land in just such a short period of time. And it was only six years later as we were still, you know, the toast of the world. Everyone was talking about those amazing Israelis, how they won the six day war in six days. In 1973, we suffered a horrific attack on the what's called the Yom Kippur War.

We ended up winning that war, but we suffered great losses. So it's important as people pray for Israel that they pray that we would continue in humility for God, that we would give God glory for protecting us in April and not just assume that because of our greatness or our righteousness that we'll be protected from all attacks. Yeah. And let me just say this.

Then we got a break and we'll be we'll be right back. But think of the failures of October 7th and some of that. There was an arrogance. There was failure to pay attention to Intel that came in.

So that that has to be very, very much in our memory. And yet, Ron, I'm reading the story. Got it up here to read during the break that Haniyeh was killed by an explosive device that was secretly smuggled into his guest house in Tehran.

Apparently in June. Talk about planning ahead. And then just as he's safe and secure, they're going to death. Sobering. We'll be right back.

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Click donate monthly support. Welcome aboard in advance. Going back to the phones with my dear friend Ron Cantor. By the way, Ron, right before you came on, I was talking to a first responder from a game to be a dome. And I asked him, what did he see at the Druze village? And he said, actually, he wasn't there, but one of his colleagues was there, a first responder.

And he gets to the soccer game and finds out that his daughter is one of the dead. But this is this is the madness of it. Just, you know, Israel continues to do its best to not retaliate against innocent children and women and noncombatants. And the terrorists just want to kill as many as they can. It is a different spirit.

Ron, in the midst of this, though, obviously you have hope, you have faith, as does a lot of other believers in the land. But it's it's different than living in another country. I mean, you are. What about the app that a lot of Israelis have that just shows them our bombs, you know, rockets being fired or something? It's it's like going on constantly, isn't it?

Yeah, I mean, I can be doing anything in anywhere and I can be in any other country. And then suddenly I hear, you know, my phone starts going crazy, which is signaling, you know, now it's not in the beginning. It was coming out of Gaza and we lived 10 minutes from Gaza. So we we were often running to our our safe room. And but now it is almost exclusively coming out of the north. And Hezbollah has a lot more rockets than Hamas ever did. So it could be 50 at a time, although a week ago, for the first time in a month or so, Ashkelon, our city, the sirens went off and my wife had to take cover.

I wasn't there. But it's intense. You know, it's you know, I lived most of my life until I was 38 in the state. The last 20, 21 years I've lived in Israel. And, you know, in America, I've never been through a war. Now, there there have been wars, right there have, you know, but they're in Afghanistan.

They're in Iran, aside from the civil war, not on our soil. Right. So you think of you think of, you know, David before he killed Goliath. He is taking a horse or walking or whatever. And within 20, 30 minutes, maybe an hour, he's at the front lines of a battle.

That's what it's like. You know, I see family members all the time sitting on the side of the road. Near Gaza with their soldier son or daughter having coffee, embracing each other. And then they know that their son or daughter is going back to fight for the land of Israel and they might die. They might be killed in battle.

It's it's very intense. But yes, we have hope. But I'm not going to lie to you. I've had to fight to keep that hope. I've had to go back to the scriptures. I've had to remind myself who God is. And I had to remind myself that, you know, these these things happened in the Bible. You know, when difficult things happen, we want to blame God. We can tend to lose hope, lose perspective. But if you go back to the Hebrew prophets, if you go back to the time, go back to the time of Jesus, you know, Israel was under Roman rule and the Romans were not very nice in the way that they governed Israel.

So it's been a very, very difficult time, a very dark time. But also a time to reach our people on Shalana TV, our Hebrew language TV channel. We share the good news 24 seven.

That is still our focus. And at the same time trying to be a light to the people of Israel by helping any way we can serving soldiers, serving those who've been evacuated from their homes. Eighty thousand Israelis in the north have no home to go to every night. They're living in hotels.

They're living in in, you know, a friend's house. And then, of course, tens of thousands on the Gaza border in the kibbutzim. Most of them primarily, you know, center left, if not all out left wing sympathizers with with Palestinians were, you know, savagely attacked. And those survivors, for the most part, they cannot go home and they're living.

They have no home to go to. So, Ron, I want you to react to some clips. This young man, Zach Sage Fox, Jewish American and not religious, and he decides to to go into Ramallah, to go into the West Bank and interview Palestinians there to see how they feel about October 7th, to see how they feel about Hamas in general, about two state solution. And basically, because he could pass off as an Italian American, he just said he was Italian American.

And that's how that's how he got in. But I want you to listen to a couple of clips and then tell me if your experience or your knowledge confirms this. And then kind of where do we go from here?

So let's let's listen to clip number one. For months now, millions of people around the world have been chanting free Palestine. Well, I've decided to see Palestine.

Welcome to the Wild West Bank. Are you supportive of Hamas? Yes. Yes, of course. Yes. Are most Palestinians? Yeah. Palestinian people like Hamas.

I'm with the resistance. Did you see the videos they posted of what they did on October 7th? Everything.

And you're OK with all of that? With everything they did. They killed innocent Israelis.

They killed. Yes, they did. No. Yes, they did.

Give me a picture for rape. Do you think Hamas should release the Israeli hostages? No. No.

No. Nothing is named Israeli. There's nothing named Israel? Yeah. The Quran mentions Israel over 100 times.

Is Palestine mentioned in the Quran? No. No. The murders Hamas did on October 7th, is that OK?

Yes. They have the right to do it. The problem is not Hamas. We should look at the bigger picture. They are living under occupation.

But Israel left Gaza in 2005. Sure. What does Antifa mean?

Volunt. Neither one of us were born anywhere near 1940. We have to deal with the reality today. No. No.

Don't deal with the reality today. OK. That's clip number one. Are you surprised to hear that, Ron? I'm not surprised to hear that. Now, to be honest, in those types of interviews, whether you go on a college campus or to a protest, it's very selective, the ones who actually get on the air. I'm assuming 100% of the people did not have that same response.

I certainly hope so. But I'm not surprised because they're brainwashed. As you could see, one of them said that Hamas didn't murder Israelis. I can tell you. I've seen the footage. I sat through the 45 minutes of the footage that Hamas themselves filmed. And I screened it. I saw it. I saw the murder.

But yeah, it's like in any other. You know, I was just recently in an issue where a well-known minister fell into horrific sin. And there's people who will they will not believe it.

No, it didn't happen. And they don't want to hear the stories. They don't want to hear what happened because it would change their narrative. So you have people who've grown up in Gaza, who've grown up in the West Bank. And I mean, their children's show promote suicide bombing. So they end up being brainwashed. I would love to see those same people if they were able to live in a free society for 20 years. Like, for instance, if I go to your average American Arab Muslim, now maybe they don't love Israel. Maybe they're not, you know, a Zionist. But they're they're much more tethered to reality because they've tasted freedom.

They own their own businesses. They can have jobs and freedom, freedom of speech. You know, in the West Bank, you can't speak against the government. If you're a journalist, you know, particularly in Gaza, you cannot speak against Hamas as a journalist. So my heart really goes out to the people who've been raised with such hatred.

I remember I'll finish with this. I remember during the Syrian civil war, an Israeli journalist interviewed a Syrian refugee in in Italy. And he was asking about the Jewish people. No, they're monsters. They do this.

They do that. And he said, well, you know, I'm Israeli. And the guy wouldn't believe him because he didn't have fangs. He didn't have horns.

He was normal. Wow. Yeah. Look, I was speaking to a Christian some years back and they said they were from Eastern Europe. And they told me they were taught that that never to eat Passover matzah because it contains the blood of Christian children. So that's that's what they grew up hearing. And right.

We're talking about, you know, our generation of people. In other words, someone that in our lifetime has heard that and these types of libels are very common in the Muslim world. And then every time there's a war, it gets you know, you can just if someone just searches like illegal organ traffic, you'll find Israel's accused of slaughtering Palestinians to steal their organs for black market sales. And people really believe that stuff. If you knew how many times in Europe that I've been asked by God-fearing Christians, if it is true that no Jews were killed on 9-11, you'd be stunned. And of course, you know, I think it was your brother-in-law.

Yes. If passed away in 9-11, he was Jewish. And but they hear these things.

They have no way of checking them. And and we know over the past few years that even good God-fearing people can be given to conspiracy theories. How much more if you live in a dictatorship under an oppressive regime that controls the media, the TV, everything?

Yeah, and I feel the same. My heart goes out to the folks involved because they've they've been raised a certain way. And then because of their corrupt leadership and and the constant war being waged against Israel, that Israel has to keep a lid on things and can't just say, OK, free, free everything, free travel, free commerce. So they grow up under some level of oppression. And and and the more that Israeli lives are taken by Islamic extremists, the more the country itself is going to get hardened and even go further. Right.

So that that only compounds the problem. So, Ron, I do want to give some encouragement to our to our listeners. But first and foremost, I want I want people to feel the reality and really pray, not just like, oh, Israel, praise the Lord. This is a war zone.

This is a literal war zone with massive, massive potential implications. So we'll be right back. And I'll tell you how you can connect with Ron Cantor. He's got a wonderful ministry, Messiah's mandate. You want to be getting his newsletter?

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Get on the Line of Fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome back to 31st Thursday, Michael Brown. Thanks so much for joining us. I did my last workout a little bit before radio.

Before that, I took my Trivita supplements, part of my healthy lifestyle, and we appreciate them being our co-sponsor. I'm not taking any calls, so we'll just do our best to get to more calls on tomorrow's broadcast. But it's so important that we could hear from our friend Ron Cantor, living in Israel now 21-plus years, with his wife, native-born Israeli, Elana.

Just great to be with Ron and Elana just a little over six weeks ago in Israel. So Ron, when you look to the future, obviously we don't know what would work. You know, two-state solution. Let's see how that could work.

And there's another clip I'll play, but I'll just save the time to be with you and talk here. But, you know, two-state solution has seemed impossible for many years. The idea of one state, I mean, how in the world does that work? You know, all kinds of issues. So there are more problems and questions than there are answers and solutions right now. But ultimately, the deepest hope that fuels your heart is not an immediate hope. It's a long-term hope.

What burns in you in terms of the highest and greatest reality? Are you there? Did we lose Ron? All right. Let's see what's going on. Truth, if you could check on that and see what happened with our guest. But I'll answer for Ron.

I'll answer on Ron's behalf. I know that ultimately the purposes of God win out. I know that in the end, the kingdom of God triumphs. I know that in the end, Yeshua returns and he sets up his kingdom on the earth. I know that the wicked will ultimately be destroyed. And I know that there will be a vast harvest of souls.

A massive number of Gentiles, of Goyim, the people of the nations coming in the kingdom greater than ever we've seen. And a final turning of my Jewish people, all Israel being saved. So that encourages me day and night. You know, the scriptures say, for example, that weeping may endure for night, but joy comes in the morning. There is this ongoing reality that God is faithful. His anger lasts for a moment. His mercy, kindness are everlasting. He pours out judgment to the third and fourth generation of those who hate him. He shows mercy to thousands, meaning a thousand or thousands of generations. He is slow to anger, but great in mercy. That is our God.

That is who he is. And no matter how painful and difficult the situation, my heart absolutely goes out to the people in Gaza. And what they have suffered is overwhelming because of what Hamas did and Israel having to wage war on Hamas. The people of Gaza have suffered immensely. And the vast majority of Israelis care about that they're not indifferent.

They don't just want to see innocent children getting bombed, suffering in Gaza or anywhere else. Things have ratcheted up to the point, though, where there's massive hostility on all sides. You think of Ismail Haniyeh. So he became the political leader, took over Hamas with the leader when Hamas came into power in 2006, and then briefly was leader of Palestinian Authority as well, and then basically purged Palestinian Authority. All kinds of violence.

Hamas against Palestinian Authority, back and forth, PLO, horrific violence that way. And then led Hamas in Gaza for years before moving on to his other responsibilities. But certainly his mind, his kids have been killed, his grandkids have been killed by his evil Israel.

And I saw the same footage Ron mentioned where he and his friends are watching. On the big screen TV they're watching the events of October 7th and the slaughter of the Israelis and they get on their knees and they do frustrations before Allah, praising him for his greatness. So that's how the enemy gets in and these deep hatreds arise. He's a lost soul as well. Those that died with him lost souls. So our hope is in the goodness of God.

Our hope is that he will establish his kingdom forever. So Ron, not sure how we lost you there. I asked a question but answered it for you in terms of our great hope. In the midst of this though, this is always harvest time. Isn't it during times of shaking up people that there seems to be greater openness to the gospel?

What are you seeing and hearing about what God is doing in the land in that regard? Well, let me first make sure you can hear me. I can hear you.

Very good, very good. Well, it is an opportunity. It's only natural during times of great difficulty that people think about their mortality. They think about God. They think about eternity.

And it's an opportunity to reach people. I know that sadly many of them are going to turn simply to Orthodox Judaism. It wouldn't be second nature to consider their claims of Yeshua, Jesus. They would turn to what is familiar with them. That's why our task is urgent in reaching our people that were available, that they're able to find us. I did hear about one soldier, a believer.

He came home for a weekend and he asked his mom and dad, get me as many Hebrew New Testaments as you can give me because my friends are asking questions. They want to read it. So it is an opportunity right now to reach Israelis with the good news.

There is an openness. And Ram, as far as the importance of the church standing with Israel, it doesn't mean that we hate Palestinians. It doesn't mean we're indifferent to the sufferings of the people in Gaza. It doesn't mean we sanction everything Israel does. But could you explain, as an Israeli, what it means to the people of Israel to see Christians standing with Israel and why that message is so important in light of church history?

It's huge and I do agree with you that we're not a perfect people and we are as imperfect as many other governments in the world. But there is a grace in Israel, a chosenness to bring the Messiah into this world. And so when Jewish people today who have been persecuted, I mean, we are the oldest hatred, the longest hatred.

You know, if you go back to Persia with Haman, that was an attempted genocide. I mean, we have been hated in every generation. So when we see all of the spewing of anti-Semitism online, on Twitter, on TikTok, when we hear that believers are standing with us, it's like water in the desert. We almost don't believe it.

We're almost a little bit shocked by it. Like everyone else hates us, why don't you? And of course, the hatred is demonic. It's not based on anything that we've done or anything that we deserve. It is a demonic conspiracy because of Satan's hatred for Jesus, jealousy of Jesus, and hatred of the Jewish people knowing that there has to be revival in Israel before the coming of the Lord.

So he seeks to kill the Jewish people. But nevertheless, we're used to being scapegoated. We're used to being hated and falsely accused. And so when we see that true followers of the Messiah do love us and care for us, it means everything.

And you've been to a good number of nations over the years. When you talk to a lot of Christians in different parts of the world, they're often very surprised to hear about anti-Semitism in church history because they just read the Bible on their own, and instead of hating Jews, they love Jews. Has that been your experience?

Yes, it has. And not only with believers. I was just in Europe, and everywhere we went, Yvonne and I, we were speaking in several different countries. And everywhere we went, we told people, we're from Israel. I didn't want to hide from it. And I braced for a negative reaction because of what we'd see online. And with only one exception, everybody was encouraging, was asking questions. Are you guys okay? And these are not believers. These are just normal Europeans. The one experience we did have is we went to a restaurant, and the manager waited on us.

And I don't know why we clicked with her, a very sweet young lady. This is in The Hague, by the way, so you can only imagine what they hear day in and day out. International criminal court.

Yeah, get that bad guy, Netanyahu. Right. So she treated us so well that we came back on the second night. We were there for a conference, and we ate there again. And she's our friend. We love her. And then she says, why are you guys here?

Why are you in The Hague? And I said, well, we're at a conference on Israel. She disappeared. We didn't see her for a half hour. When she came back, she was a different person. And Elan and I looked at each other and said, what happened? And they said, oh, Israel.

But everybody else was great all over Europe. All right, Ron, where do folks connect with your ministry so they can get your newsletter? It's a very difficult website to remember. It's my name, RonKanter.com. You can sign up there, R-O-N-C-A-N-T-O-R.com. Sign up there, and we'll send you our newsletters from Israel. And we'd love to be in touch with you. All right, that's RonKanter.com.

He's got a more Jewish sounding name than Michael Brown. Hey, Ron, love you, man. Give my love to Elan.

Thanks so much for taking time to join us today. Likewise. God bless. All right, friends, you know that I am always full of hope. And I live with this overflowing confidence in the goodness of God. And that is me at this very second.

But I want you to feel the heaviness and the weight of the moment. Millions of lives are on the line. There could be some very explosive things in the Middle East. I'm not connecting it with biblical prophecy because I can't do that at the moment. I don't know exactly where we stand. I can just say it's one of those times when we really need to pray, God, mercy, mercy, mercy on Israel and the Middle East. You will be done. You will be done. And may hearts turn to you, Jew, Muslim, Arab. May hearts turn to you, Christian, for the glory of God, that Jesus would be exalted, that Yeshua would be exalted. Thank you, friends, for being there.