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Are you ready to be a son or daughter of Issachar would suit me. It means understanding the times and knowing God's people should do stuff for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Our live as always come away delighted this time together is Michael Brown I am by God's grace your voice of sanity and spiritual clarity delighted to be here with you today number to call 866-34-TRUTH 784 866-34-TRUTH, friends. I have often preached from first Chronicles 1st Chronicles the 12th chapter where it mentions beginning in verse 23, the mighty men who came together around King David to turn the kingdom to him and have grown and begins to list them tribe. I tried in each tribe. It mentions how many thousands or tens of thousands their work and in most cases it mentions the weapons that they used or their special skill in battle training and says other things about the most importance, but then you get to verse 32 get to verse 32 and it speaks of the sons of this Issachar. It mentions 200 tribal leaders so it's the lowest number. It doesn't mention weaponry it doesn't mention special battle skills.

It simply says they understood the times and knew what Israel should do. In other words, they had that sense, this is the time to go to war. This is the time to go in this direction. This is the time to go in that direction and I've argued that in many ways.

They were the most important single tribe obviously needed the whole army, but you need to know when it is time to stand and act and in point of fact, it is critically important that the leaders in the body. Today, not necessarily every pastor of every church, but leaders that God has raised up citywide leaders denominational leaders national leaders. However, God is raise leaders of that that have a voice that are respected that can rally others around. It's critically important that we understand the times and know what we as God's people are supposed to do. For example, in the 1960s it was a counterculture revolution and behind the sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll, Eastern religion behind all the rebellion. There was a deep spiritual search taking place. I remember in those days getting high with my friends and we all talk about spiritual things and then when I got Savior all talk about spiritual things in about 40 people from my school that first year, including one of the teachers came to a church service with me. It was just in the air. In that sense, the tragic thing is that much of the church didn't recognize what was happening. Much of the church to store the rebellion so the sin. So what was happening worldwide prophetic sons of Israel and thought that's it right here any moment. It's all over and they missed what was happening spiritual. The great majority of the churches in my view missed what was happening. They didn't see what was happening behind the scenes. They didn't recognize what God was doing, and therefore they didn't understand what they should be doing in the midst of the sin and the rebellion it was time for outreach to young people and and and to have new wineskins for the new wine and spiritual fathers ready to mentor and disciple. Unfortunately, that did not happen on a large scale.

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Click on the Israel manner or call our office at seven 047-8237 the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown connect friends to the line of fire Michael Brown delighted to be with the 866-348-7884 is the number to call if you want to weigh in. I want talk about some things happening in society and give a perspective give some spiritual insight on it. Then later in the broadcast time to answer some questions this break things up a little bit what time is it what's happening in society around us. Nine years ago I wrote that no hang on hang on, not nine years ago. Let's get this straight in the year 2000 in the year 2000 I wrote that another revolution was coming to America that it was either going to be heaven sent, or hell-bent, how would we respond.

Would we be the ones leading the way. Or would we be the ones reacting to the godlessness around us, and I really believe that you can point back, probably seven, eight, nine years where a different kind of revolution really began to unfold in America. The rise of the aggressive new atheism. The great increase in LGBT activism.

A number of things happening at the same time that were one way or another directed tax on the Scripture direct attacks on our beliefs. Rick attacks on the authority of the Scriptures direct attacks on conservative moral values, direct attacks on the existence of God. The please understand, God is not threatened by this because I threatened the word of God will stand forever. Jesus said in Matthew 24, 35 heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. I'm not stressed over this, but I am grieved over things because once again it was the world leading the way and the church coming along little by little, and responding and waking up. We are at a moment now and it's been building it's been building the last couple of years I said last year would be the year of pushback and and were seeing that increase in saying that about last year to me that was only the beginning there was on the beginning of pushing back and there would be a great increase in pushing back in the coming years. We are watching different groups in our society overplayed their hand were watching different ones go too far in what they believe is right and the causes their fighting for and by going too far by going to fark we get to the point where people finally start to wake up it's it's almost like somebody's trying to pick a fight with someone who doesn't want to fight but the person is actually very strong in a good fighter. They just don't like to fight in the file you provoked enough, they turn around and knock the bully out with one punch. Now I'm not talking with about physical violence here not talk about the church fighting back in a physical way is using that as an analogy to say that if a certain point the bullying backfires a certain point people go too far with their agenda and and others begin to wake up. I felt for many years that Americans want to be tolerant and accepting that as Americans we don't want to repeat the errors of segregation and slavery.

We don't want it re-create and repeat the errors of oppressing one group of people or making a group of people subhuman or not equal and because of that we want to be a tolerant people. Also, the majority of married Americans do not hold to biblically-based conservative moral values and will therefore be more prone to be accepting of things that that God's word would not sanction so I would expect a continual leaning in that direction in society and then the secular media and as polls have indicated over the years the secular media is is very, very heavily slanted towards a worldly mentality. So for example a pro-abortion mentality or pro-gay activism mentality so you know the world is often going that direction through the bombardment of the media and the media reflects the culture but also influences the culture so so it's one of those moments, though, where the push goes too far. Americans who want to be tolerant Americans who want to be accepting Americans to believe in equal rights for everyone will now that means redefining marriage and tiling well but they're coming because as a gay guy and he's a really nice guy and he and his partners sweetest couple you could need.

And I guess it's a strange idea of you pronounce you husband and husband but I guess if that's marijuana okay to say no to that Americans would go that far and it's hard to say where we stand exactly as is the majority that agree with this or not. Again, there's so much skewing of things through the overwhelming emphasis in median social media, often going in one direction then it goes further. Now it's well you all have to celebrate that participated in it and if not, you lose your job if your baker forester photographer refused to speak against this or criticize you could be fired from your job.

Even if this is just your private, or injure your sermons preached in the church. If you buy vocationally work a second job. He preached sermons in your sermons you speak against this, you can be fired a lot. Americans are saying we don't agree with it.

We know that's going too far because why that's now an assault on our liberties in the name of equality and because one of our most fundamental freedoms is is freedom itself is one of our most fundamental values is freedom.

One of the things most important to us as Americans is freedom Declaration of Independence Liberty Bell. It give me liberty or give me death that this assault on freedom, religion, speech and conscience. It goes too far and those who are the bullies and belt built a movement based on hey where the victims now, they become the victimizers.

It's harder for them to pull the victim card at this time, but at end that disturb some Americans, but still so many are slumbering because while didn't really affect me or my family or my paycheck or my kids in school when goes further when it starts to affect your kids at school what what it starts to affect private places like bathrooms and locker rooms when the administration is guilty of complete overreach on every level, and basically issues an edict to the schools because it guides but says it will comply to lose billions of dollars in federal funding may threaten the state of North Carolina.

Mr. loud voice to share girls locker rooms in a in Jim that you lose $4.5 billion in federal funding for universities, and on and on it goes. That's when more and more people start to rise up, we are in one of those moments friends. We are in one of those moments where we either wake up to the larger cultural issues or we lose a whole generation. It if we don't wake up at this point and look maybe for other people talk about this and think I'm a Johnny-come-lately. This read what I've written for last 15 years. Please go back to broadcast from years and years back articles from years back books from years back I been saying these things for years I've been talk about these very moments that were in now for years. This is one of those times will we must get spiritually alert. This is one of those times where we must in our faces and pray and seek the Lord for revival beginning and the church is one of those times we need to search our own hearts and turn away from what sinful and wrong and compromised and embrace the Lord look you get used to your surroundings. You get used to the condition that you find yourself in the measuring rod that we use on ourselves is adjustable and if if all are all you have known is a compromised shallow spirituality and that's what you're surrounded with. You might think you're on fire with them and you look at the word honestly that when you're around people really on fire there when you come in real contact with the Holy Spirit you're deeply convicted realized that I backslid on backslid.

I thought I thought I was following the Lord, but at my hearts cold of left my first love Somerset in early had a first love. And because of that it's urgent that we seek God for awakening. Now my church doing great growing no services or pate.

That's awesome. And there are places around America regards with them but for the most part it's nothing that resembles revival for the most part it's nothing accompanied with the urgency that the hour demands. Now is the time to be seeking God, earnestly, and to be crying out, and to be praying and to be seeking the face of God.

Now is the time to be standing for righteousness in the society now is the time to refused to back down as governors across America are saying no to the Obama administration as educators are making their views known as parents are making their views known is critically important that we have this line drawn in the sand don't want to have to move it again. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice aboard cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown Monday she heard a man the women's dressing room manager went to check it out right back out and called me to the side and tell me that he was representing himself as a woman today Lisa said she complaint stated in the store and called corporate long enough to see the man walk out and he was in no way addresses the woman he had on jeans and T-shirt Oregon shadow. A voice command rusting comment specifically on the incident but told me they don't discriminate against the transgender community policies and other big chain retailers vary according to customer service target T.J. Maxx and Marshall's allow customers to decide based on gender identity, Kohl's forces customers to use facilities based on their biological gender. Walmart had no specific policy at all.

So what about me are not going to make me feel uncomfortable on Lisa doesn't think any of the policies work for her, especially if they can be easily exploited and was now more like he was energetic and traumatic and if it's listen. It is, it is absolutely unreal yeah Matt, I noticed that same word Kohl's forces forces forces customers use facilities aligned with their biological biological gender totally cruel look friends you're going to see this madness increase.

You are you going to see this kind of madness increase and as sad as it is as pathetic as it is and as much as my heart goes out to those who struggle with gender identity issues. It it takes madness like this in the culture before people finally start to wake up and understand what's going on out here is a perspective from someone who identifies as transgender joy grabbed the second clip and I want you to listen carefully and see what you hear in this voice.

Go ahead every day someone tries to hurt us or tell us such a simple thing okay like I live my life as a woman year. I cannot the same thing that a man died.

If you knew anything about the transgender community, you would know that we are so distant, disturbed by our personal parts that we would never even think about looking at them.

I I don't understand I don't understand why these people for whom Jesus died.

People creating God's image of fallen like the rest of us. I don't understand why they don't get it, that if we say, however you identified. It's the Bethany can use that heterosexual predators that heterosexual perverts will use this opportunity to go into these roads rarely case after case, the I'm serious reported just about on a daily basis or semi-justice on Hank whatever is with assessment of the do like this case just heard of were guys in their answers also identify maids completely dressed as a man looks like a man. I'm try to look like a woman identifies one river got a call from from a woman works in women, children, Boston, and she talked about how they are required by Housing and Urban Development by HUD law they are required if a man comes answers identifies will be required to give him a pay a bed and to give him access to the showers and bathrooms with the latest delays are very up disturbed. This is reality. This is actually happening. The other ladies are really disturbed, but they they go to management. Management said there's nothing we can do about so the struggles of the one or imposed on the 99+ that are not struggling and not only so it opens the door for heterosexual predators and perverts, heterosexual predators and permit so this last clip. This is skews me this is some identifies transgender talking to those at a middle school protest with the students were not going to school that day and the students were saying hey we would let us what about us and yet to tell you what, let's let's blissful equipment before then.

I want to go back to this quote in an get some spiritual insight right click, number four, as the protesters are talking here) or more have no right to come and perverts mark rather than actually using it and they were and accountability gone to the bathroom and came home and one of our growth is crying and just out that she felt safe going into the girls bathroom or locker room to move, but what about these kids.

This is the time when everyone needs to stand up that when you heard that transgender individuals speaking if you're like me, your heart went out to that person and you said that person sounds like they're hurting way of the hurting because it was hitting on them. That's more than that they're hurting because they're not at home in their bodies and they have struggled in the solution is not to put away got a guy give hormones. That's not the best solution. The solution the best solution is not to give the kid hormone blockers at the age of nine. The best solution is not invasive surgery, mutilating surgery, reconstructive surgery, whatever you want to call it the. The solution is to find a way to help people from the inside out. But if were not allowed to say that they have any kind of disorder if were not allowed to say they have any kind of handicap transgender activists pushed hard to get disorder removed of GID gender identity disorder get the word disorder removed and just change to gender dysphoria to the problem is not that they're not at home in their bodies.

The problems that they're not at home with not being at home in their bodies. My heart goes out to these individuals, but the other problem is when he says we have, we struggle so much with our body parts. Another look at others will first. What about the heterosexuals that use these losses of one and number two. What about the fact it's a Bruce Jenner still attracted to women, wouldn't that mean if he is is in the ladies dressing room or ladies locker room that he would be attracted to those women wouldn't wouldn't that be common sense and if a man is uncomfortable if your psych is a woman in a man's body uncomfortable with that mail body discipline is uncomfortable with a female body.

No. So this is one of those moments overlook this a ton of things happening, shaking, real shaking and we talked about the Republican Party, potentially breaking up with.

We've talked about, we we've talked about all kinds of situations with with Donald Trump of the Republican Party will there be 1/3 party look over the Democrats. They may have a complete shaking down. I mean there's real chance that the Bernie Sanders people will will revolt, and who knows what can happen on the Democrat side there's a time of shaking going on, but it's one of these moments. It's one of these moments in the society.

When believers can rise up and say we have a better way. We have a way of life we have way of truth. We we have a way that they can bring about lasting family morality and lasting family vitality. We have a way that is the truly blessed way. That's what we need to be doing. We need to be getting a long-acting order everything shaky arises time for the people God provides. Be sure to check out this week special resource offer Baker books now beautiful addition of the tree of life live just it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Thanks much for going from 15866 the number to call one goal right phones with Rachel in Ventura California. Thanks for calling the line of fire hello loud and clear. Rachel calling you right now I am going.

It and lick my dainty dad going to pilot man and and I was bitten and he was a man we were with each other for about two years and we were not married because he had had a failed marriage, foreign dominated the Internet that he you know I had kind of a baking paternity election and I'm Christian. We both believe that he's dead and he said he never leave me a bite and ignorant.

Alternately, while Don Beard and I got a little girl and three months after she was born.

He pretty much left and declawed all the stuff happening you third language. A lot of things happen a lot. It really personal thing and at last and never anything turn out of the picture in the coming visit about eventually. Then and at the meeting on I had to get help and on government help and Stephanie went after him for child support and that he started going after me on going out for audit custody and staying because I had to work and because it basically now the petitioner, and what joy then have to work my daughter that home with her because he can like a holiday.

Can be a stay at home mom, potentially like an I had brought to the court believed that and he denied it at first but now January came out and now you you make my two-year-old daughter, Bonnie and daddy for she was probably eight month old and working and then were going to court you thinking at the core all the time for all the money thing that that more American tell Mike I'm always been a really loving open-minded but now I'm the bigger every time that could be extended because I want to call him mommy because I don't like write. Now you know me and now I'm in court trying to IPO but I might not currently becoming clear to me that I feel like they I'm terminating or I'm a bigot. Like I asked the one being attacked and is committed against her neck. I can't raise my daughter with her mother. You know anything and with my belief and then trying to protect. I actually get that crawling around trying to get like expert advice and made it. I don't have a lot of money, but I would people actually like on the other side� Oh there's a researching it really hadn't been abound about child development and ivory already a lot about gender identity through my own studies and and to predict it will just that it is down that people change that a lot of people do have the how do I know all of the younger Baptist like you think I listens to stay right there we can get some sanity in the midst you are not the biggest and this man is not the daughters mommy there is a way to stand against this so I want talk about a few things. Please stay right there are on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I will continue Rachel how old are you 2929 years old or are you part of a local church there in Ventura and I am a part of the local church yet okay right after I've been really supportive it. Nobody mounted how to go about their in a legal way.

Yes, now I and really know a Rachel and listen, there's no way I can wrap my mind around what what you're going through right now there's little two-year-old yeah I can't I'm like I've I understand these issues to a point, but I've never been through what you're going through, obviously in the trauma of the suit just to be clear, it's not my know I obviously but these things are increasing look there someone close to my family who close to the age of 70 years old decided that he could no longer hide his secret and said he's he's transitioning to a woman.

So what is that through a marriage of decades.

What is that to the grown kids, grandkids so my heart goes out to people who struggle but the fact the fact is you cannot have his struggles impose on imposed on on on you and on your little one so so Rachel yet but hopefully a little on what's her name and other Gulf said don't sit that run on. I know don't don't don't do anything I said like none of that excellent listener. The world is being turned upside down is moral insanity.

We have gone from where morality is relative to now reality is relative. Reality is whatever I see that you be you know that Facebook now gives 50 different ways to define your gender, including 10 simultaneously.

And if that's not enough, you can fill in the blank. This is social madness. The fact that the Obama administration is now said the children. Schools are required to submit a 14-year-old boy share the locker room and and shower stalls with a 14-year-old girl and playing sports teams, its social madness but Rachel people are waking off around the country and saying enough is enough and cases like yours. The real trauma the springs to a mother and a child.

This needs to be shouted from the rooftops out now in a moment I'm going to give you a number to call for the alliance. Defending freedom. This is a Christian legal Society, they can offer services for free.

They are thoroughly involved in these kinds of cases they understand the issues they know experts that can help testify and and back these things, but just so everybody understands is clearly the relationship you have with this manic it was.

It was out of wedlock. It would've been better in wedlock, but it was a normal male-female relationship right you highlighted. Not all write normal and you are agreeing that I wanted. Mary and agreed to talk about and I had not been working. You know, I think it becomes like a really big issue I like biological mother's right to be pumping out like a bellows right thing because I do not work because I really like now sharpening Martin. I later like having an extra person and then came out and all their money, my reckoning, because I'm in a lower � economic back and neck. I object to bigotry is on their side.

The bullying is on their side because you keep getting hit with this Rachel you need to remind yourself that you are the one sinking sanely and you are the one who really has the best interest of your daughter.

Listen, if he was a mommy than the two of you could not have produced a baby mommy plus mommy does not produce a baby. She is the father of the child. He is confused about his identity now, but he is the father of this child and he needs to take responsibility. As such, if I were you. If you want to dress up as mommy called mommy I would do everything in my power to to to have the courts block any access to him if he was just going to be that the father involved and so on. But you're not married that's one thing if he's going to claim to be the mother and system be called mommy and traumatize and confuse the two-year-old that I would do everything in my power to work with the courts to work with with good Christian lawyers to make sure that he does not have any custody this child and that he is going to be responsive in Sedona for child support of the other thing Rachel is that everything that circumstances the world. The devil meant for evil bad choices we make meaning for evil God can turn around for good and yeah you are absolutely lot alone. First, there are people listening to the show to pray for you when they hear this.

Trust me there, ready, praying, and their mothers, who were probably weeping over the situation and it could be that prayer for this man will turn his heart and if he'll get free and that he'll be handheld like that� Like I don't mind at I've always been raised by Christian you have made that that I� You know, there's no work and one other that you know he does give us joy and have effective staff and that you know I like that I would loving and open-minded, but when I am glad it turned out great and protecting and like you can't go you know hurt themselves in any way, but then like I like that the Pope is like fighting in relation and and and Finchley and Rachel sit think of this from people who suffer with what's called body identity integrity order disorder. The IID they don't believe that they should have like a right arm or left leg and their generally tormented by this and they actually they actually try to actually try to mutilate themselves so that they can be happy and they can be whole by mutilating themselves and we all say that's wrong, and yet we turn around and say it's okay for someone to have sex change surgery and and here is a biological male was going to try to become a female.

He'll never be a true female. Why is that okay this is Rachel do have a way to write something down out the right phone number down. Okay, sure thing.

Sure thing. E. II went to be married in church and and you great. I like working And because I have to go to court you can't actually you did what you doing me having to work it now be at home mom and stuff and that it not be away from each other night but I didn't quit working now. I can be spent month. You think because my husband but at every angle of our life and now I'm in court and thousand dollars a going off right. Rachel got got something to forsake you.

In the midst of this need to really really get close to him really lean on him, your heavenly father cares deeply about you and about your little one right sense of this is this is not of the end is as dark as nervous as difficult as paying all God is going to help as you as you cry out to him. So can you write this number down.

All right, all right, go ready. That's one 808 36835, five 233-1800 800-5352 33 that's the alliance. Defending freedom ADF okay when you call, make sure that you tell them that I specifically asked you to call many of their folks work with me. There know me well they will have attorneys right in your city okay and so Jan I would definitely someone will definitely want to help right and and listen. We are right now folks are listening across the country.

This is a live radio broadcast, and it's important folks that you pray for Rachel. This is why we talk about the kinds of things we talk about because real lives are being affected and yet you hear that the shocking things that people are going through. So Rachel get back to us.

Let us know what's going on. You can also write to us through the website. I understand you found this on Internet and that's how you happen to call and when I saw with the call was about to change direction right now and and take your call. Let us know what happens.

I'm also been alert one of my colleagues at the ADF about your situation as well.

Let us know and God will help. This is not the end of the story all right.

Hang in there and friends. Let's be praying for Rachel and for her family. Thank you so much for calling out for the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown, the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown I friends what would you say that what he said here is the woman find my name on the Internet I that's that's that's what happens felt for my name online is someone that that knew about transgender issues and not know about these things because studying this for years and listen to arguments on both sides of talking to professionals being off grieved over what's happening in the society going to help those who are struggling at at the same time that would help those who struggle at the same time we have to stand up for moral sanity. So if if you miss the beginning of recall. She has a baby with someone out of wedlock and then a couple years since the relationship.

The guy now starts cross-dressing now begins to identify as a woman now wants the two-year-old to call him mommy then is there a custody battle and as she's try to get support. He says will look I can stay with my parents and be a stay-at-home mom with you after work. So it's not good for the baby. The baby should be with me. The man who considers himself a mommy you're just in tears. Spending thousands of dollars in legal fees and this friends, this is insanity.

This situation is insanity.

And then the woman gets call the bigot when she sees the guy causes hi big it. This man needs help this man needs help this were dealing with transit social madness. I looks like I'm not going to answer any email questions right now.

Maybe later next hour.

Another day will do it on the air. We take another call Northern Virginia Sam walking to the line of fire and appreciate your talk about you male or anyone else they can always get what they claim that the women in and are actually man, but they claim that their women but there they could claim about what you think about that a good map of a government think of the woman's bathroom, but they can claim that the that they like women all sat Sam that's very common. Not that they identify as lesbians, but that they have heterosexual attractions which transgender individuals always want to say this is not about being gay is about how they identify on the inside in terms of their gender. That's area carries a right social.

Here's here's what it hears what it means that it would mean that Bruce Jenner if if Bruce Jenner was in, say, the ladies locker room that he would be theoretically attracted to women just like a heterosexual man but if he identifies as a woman now, does that mean he's identifying as a lesbian. I mean it's a yes or not.

I don't mean that in a laughing way because we we hear about these things.

Sadly, a regular basis. In fact, according to some reports, according to some reports, the one reason that Bruce Jenner is considering quote the transitioning now.

His rep denies this, but some reports say the reason he is think about the transitioning is because of his Christian beliefs and as a Christian. He he is uncomfortable with same-sex relationships. God help Bruce Jenner that he feels like a man. He feels like a woman on the inside but he has heterosexual desire, so he is attracted to women. He wants to be a relationship with a woman but not as a woman as he thinks same-sex relationships are wrong. So he was there is a man, according to reports, there are cases with documented them with things out of the people's own mouse rig identifies as a girl and and is using the girl sauna in in the Washington state in a college, a pool facility shared by the local high school.

Some high school girls come in. There are shocked to see a biological male in their sauna and reported to the school discloses nothing we can do because we can't we can't discriminate based on gender identification comes the fact that this man identifies his woman said his name legally changed has the hots for girls yeah was he so heterosexual now would what you lesbian thank you for the call sent look look.

I wish that 100 years would go by. We didn't have to mention any of these subjects again, except for helping people find wholeness in Jesus. That was the only time we ran us there were. I would love for that to be the case but when kids come home from school crying when the Obama administration pronounces utterly ridiculous edicts where our administration spokespeople for administration say things like a transgendered man is a man. Those are the facts as they refresh a national review said so you telling me, a man can have a menstrual menstrual cycle or woman can have a male private organ or or a a man can conceive a baby and get pregnant obviously not when you say man you must mean something very very different to what we try to squeeze in one less call all right real quick Andre were short entendre in Fairfax, Virginia.

Welcome to light a fire laundry look at that you try to squeeze a caller and and you lose them or if it would've been a bit of a rush anyway.

I did not ask for this topic. I did not ask for this assignment and by the way am not complaining. I'm simply saying that there are many things I would much rather do.

I would much rather just give myself to call the church to revival.

I would much rather just give my attention to Jewish evangelism. I would much rather just give my attention to world missions. But as I travel around the world leaders, including government leaders want to sit with me and want to talk about these issues because there being bombarded with them and they are coming under pressure because of them and they are being given ultimatums by other businesses by other universities by the Obama administration and and by the way, by the way if if Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or elected they will they will be for worse, in terms of pushing the agenda or at least as bad. So these are issues we must address but let us address them with hearts of love for those who struggle the pastor text me late last night. He said we had a first transgender country service, we really loved on the person that we found out it's no male to female using the female bathroom here. We want to use the bathrooms of their of their birth jet there their biological sex. How we handle this is a pastor in real love on his person and shown the goodness of God's executor.

I told you I preach there couple weeks earlier. These are the challenges friends, let us be sons and daughters of the Saqqara understand the times.

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Interestingly, while things were so volatile on the Republican side on the Democratic side leading up to the primaries and questions of contested convention on the Republican side questions of a potential third-party on the Republican side questions of whether the Republican Party would coalesce behind Donald Trump if he won the election if he didn't win the first vote the cancel contested convention with you. Break away with there be 1/3 party will right now the Republican side is volatile, but greatly calm down since Sen. Cruz dropped out with the inevitability of a Trump candidacy or at least no path to victory for Ted Cruz, which would then make Donald Trump the presumptive nominee then in that case, there is there more and more Republican unity behind him still great division and there are still many leaders that will support him and many questions being asked and some still talk about third-party but but the Republican is more settled. What's unsettling is what type of candidate Donald Trump would be and I would love to see him learn three simple words. I'll probably write about it and hope that'll read it. I have friends that love the Lord leaders that I know spend time with them.

Some cases one-on-one some cases groups was heard the gospel plainly preached. It is my hope that he will truly hear it and receive the Lord to be changed with the least recognize some of the important principles that are being shared with him but for sure if he could learn these three simple words I was wrong. I was wrong.

Unfortunately, in his interview with Megan Kelly last night. I read some of the transcript when he brought up retrieving nasty attack on on Heidi Cruz take cruises godly, devoted, lovely wife.

He did well maybe shouldn't well look she was. She was actively involved in campaign with him. So it was it was fine for him to do it for a dog's grace to the humble.

He resists the proud, how redemptive that would be if you truly learn the meaning of that that's in the words but learn the meaning of I was wrong here through the words. I am sorry that Could mean a loss and we give you hope for the future. Okay, not only so, but on the Democratic side, things continue to get more volatile and for the most part the protests that a been taking place. The protester taken place at the Trump rallies campaign rallies have been largely the radical left protesting and or the Bernie Sanders crowd perhaps sponsored by George Soros and and other Soros in America, been a hungry lot these is called his Hungarian social roaches how to pronounce it there so forgive my English mispronunciation but there's been more protesting from the radical left. And what happens now the Democratic side with Hillary. The presumptive nominee will that the Sanders people break away this extraordinarily volatile time.

It's hardly politics as usual. So the big question comes to us as Christians.

The one thing we can do along with prey longer than one is volatile as well. How should we vote. What would Jesus do. I guess Prof. Darrell Bock helplessly file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, my friend outlaw the Dallas theological seminary, but he's also had this knack for writing books about timely subjects in the da Vinci code was was the rage you would a New York Times best-selling book, breaking the da Vinci code. When people are claiming we don't have the original Gospels were these other pseudo-gospels of the real gospel still have a book coming out on the so I was delighted to see how would Jesus vote. Your political positions really align with the Bible and now it's it's interesting here this great endorsement from Russell Moore who is the president, ethics and religious Liberty commission Southern Baptist convention's Morse is an error of cable TV shouting matches the social media wars were in desperate need of Dr. box was to but hang on Russell Moore is recently been trashed by Donald Trump and Russell Morris of the never Trump mentality.

Where do we stand I endorsed Sen. Ted Cruz. I've had people call explain whether to vote for Democrats of these are multifaceted issues and Darrell is going to help sort these through radar. Welcome to the line of fire. Well Michael, it's good to hear your voice and usually were together, but now it's by distance and this is working out great. I really appreciate you have a meal and all you kidding me. The moment this book him on my desk I said get Darrell and him on immediately evident out of demons. I said that first semester and it's looking through at second I thought I write this failure to challenge me because I attend or not.

I tend not to think through. I'm focused on a few issues and I got a lot of ammunition on those, but there are plenty of other issues to think through so-so first one did you decide to write this book and why this book is boom in the works for about six years and and it took me about four to figure out how exactly I wanted to write it.

My original idea was to put an elephant and a donkey on the beginning of each chapter and have one that had a check by the one that had a line going through it and men as you went through the chapters that will be bouncing back and forth depending on the issue side. Now that's not to work in, and man in MN about I'd say about three years ago, I finally decided okay this is where I want to do and how I want to study it and then and then I wrote it over the over that. And was done by three year ago, I had absolutely no idea we would be in the out what I will describe the methods that were in now and and and and someone that's good and bad. I mean, it is good and that the point of the book. The books not entitled who would Jesus vote for the book is entitled, how would Jesus vote which means how to even approach the discussion of the issues that were looking at that everyone's having trouble sorting through and the point of the book is we live in a fallen world in which we live like intentions and with our political world is a gridlock. Both of those are pretty bad places to be, so how do you function in a fallen world in a place where gridlock seems to be dominating in my premise is that we been robbed of the of the political discourse that we need because we click side on issues that actually have biblical elements coming out of Trumbo side and the question is how to balance out those biblical elements and we never have that discussion because we pick we cherry pick in the process we rob our society of actual discussion needs to have. Yeah, I I absolutely agree with you on that, and I'm sure, to a certain extent I have II have lines drawn in the sand. The nonnegotiable issues. What about other issues, since houses become secondary� The most fundamental question first. Would you say that it is a duty for American Christians to vote or simply a privilege responsibility. How would you phrase that I have the responsibility as part of being good I think. Thinking through how my society works as a part of loving my neighbor and and so amped and trying to think through that as conscientiously as possible. I think what our political politics has become the question of special interest.

We have tended to focus on how to politics work for me and one of the points of the book is to talk about the pursuit of common good in a pluralistic reality that we live in. So then the question becomes know not what works for me, but what works for five and and that changes the direction of the arrow that also impacts the way I think and what I'm arguing.

The book is the really I don't say this explicitly in the book of thought about it since there really three kinds of issues there is the issue in which each side is cherry picking from the Bible emphasizing the biblical part of the argument when they argue religiously and spiritually part of the argument that makes the case that they want to make ideologically that that's what I'm complaining about a most the book there are sample issues were we actually all know we should do and be.

We just have no clue how to get there. I think recommend racial reconciliation is in that kind of a category is against racial reconciliation is against the rice is getting along very few people will be to struggle to get there nurse, which were very much on the opposite ends of the discussion when you are sorted out biblically. I think the sexuality discussion and the life issues tied to abortion are in that category, but we still have the practical problem of living in a pluralistic world where everyone's on agreement on those things. So we still have to figure out how to live together in the midst of that difference. I go so that the space were negotiating if you will write so when we want to be informed by cc biblical values you want to read Scripture want to understand principles of ethics, justice, fairness, those things that are important to God's heart for the good of society principles that we think are our and in the right direction regarding security or immigration or the economy.

Whatever it is, the moment we begin to either quote Scripture or say based on the Bible I come to these conclusions. People cry, separation of church and state. People say this is not a theocracy.

Now I know these are just soundbites.

People throw out. But how do we respond to that when they say will. This is not a theocracy so get your Bible out of out of politics.

What I would value that what the Bible is ultimately concerned about is not is not religion in the way to that person fears it with the Bible is ultimately concerned about it. How we relate to people as human beings.

Well, okay, that's awfully also, politics is concerned about at least in theory, so, so were were working the same ground. I also would say that what at least Christian faith to generic Judaism teaches us as well is that every person is sacred because we view them as being made in the image of God. That actually makes them. In some ways more special and more worthy of concern than a secular view of human being is here for a while and then gone so so there actually is that we've upped the ante on being concerned about the stuff. Sometimes we haven't showed that concern and compassion and and that level of engagement as we ought to, but but at least the motive is, is not to try and control someone else. But the motive is to try and asked the question, what's the most effective way for people to steward this creation well, which is actually what comes right out of Genesis 1 and and those of the questions were trying to wrestle with technology in the second step that we live in a fallen world we live in a world of tension, and we live in a world sometimes of dysfunction because we as human beings don't live perfectly so we gotta figure out how to get along.

I why would you say that white evangelicals tend to largely vote Republican black evangelicals tend to largely vote Democrat. How is it that both can claim to come from a Christian perspective, a biblical perspective and land in such different camps. Okay, now you will be an uncomfortable answer but I could go ahead fundamentally to fundamentally true because why look at the world through the prism of being a majority controlling and and power feature in the culture and African-Americans look at the world through a minority length of which are costly having to adapt to that reality and so that produces a whole different level of sensitivities on each side and without the lack of communication between the two. To understand why that is, you end up with that level of disconnect got it all right. So that's fundamental perspective, which is something that we often leave out all right. We just got a minute before the break here in your book, how would Jesus vote. What are some of the chapters. What are some of the categories that you discussed well I think it's basically in two parts. The first part is a little physics lesson order government is and is not were not a Christian nation we live in the midst of a plurality I make a point about about our commission being military wings reason in religion originally were losing one wing you can't fly with one wing. So that's an appeal for religious discourse is a part of her ethical discourse and then I go through this series of individual issues and apply the principle of the left and right cherry picking from the Bible and then show what the alternative might produce for us in terms of constant heights of listlessness, outlook and a hit on such this number of hot button issues. I come back with my guess Prof. Darrell Locke the book which I'm flipping through as I have opportunity is it's on my desk right now how would Jesus vote vote for how would Jesus vote. Your political positions really align with the Bible thousand and get us thinking will be right back by the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. My guess Darrell on how would little while.

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Immigration Viacom reviewed abortion of make it to some specifics and take your calls 866-34-TRUTH 7884. How would Jesus vote, let me go back to something you said right before the break, Darrell, and it's the beginning of your book about the principles on which the nation was founded. You can go back to the charters of the colonies and they were thoroughly Christian, you go back to the old looter Satan act in the 1600s, where it was important that every town that had at least 50 families would have a school so the children could learn to read so they could read the Bible and that Satan would not be able to keep the Bible away from people know how widely the Bible refused as a textbook and in school readings. The early readers extensively recorded Scripture use use the Bible as a textbook, and yet you say, America was not a Christian nations but was rather built on principles of humble faith and reason. Could you explain that a little bit more depth. Yeah. By the time you get to the time of the founders of the nation who are being appreciative of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We have a mix in our in our in our midst. In terms of what it is that people are believing you are use the picture in the book early on of Jonathan Witherspoon who was you know of an evangelical preacher can want to put it in modern terms in Thomas Jefferson was a Unitarian who didn't believe in miracles sitting at the same table and signing a document about the nature of our government that would allow them both to function his neighbor side-by-side, and I raise the question.

You know, in the midst of the all the debates that they would've had one another about the nature of reality, the nature, religion, etc. but I thought they had put together a government that could work for both of them.

That's the kind of thing that I'm talking about happened. So my mama here's what I think is going on. Michael we've got. We we haven't had a Christian nation, but we had a Judeo-Christian met, that was our culture that was wrapped around our nation and we have lost that met in the last 50 years and so what was kind of default space for people in many ways, whether they were nominally Christian or committed Christians or whatever has now become a much more open playing field in terms of what's going on and everybody is having to adjust to that and in the and the adjustment has produced a societal gridlock for us but that we either stay and I think to our detriment, we figure out a different way to negotiate our shared space on this world and and and trying to figure out a way to function better society in the book is really about a plea for a different kind of discourse with a different kind of setting goals about how we do that answer you solemnly biblical principles is a key for that. So in your starting points.

You lay out the face of the creator defines purpose of life. You talk about stewardship in in in Genesis the of the first chapter). Interesting quote from George Washington's farewell address given on September 19, 1796 and it says of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness. These permits props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. Now that's an assumption that Washington sure. I think with most of the people around him regardless of their specific religious beliefs. Some of that has changed now and so and yet my plea is actually these are important elements to allow into discourse because they do provide a reference point for some stability in the conversations that we have because the conversations we have in politics are about, you know, life and death issues and how we relate to one another and how we get along and how we handle our differences and all those kinds of things right so what we want to somehow agitate that this great wisdom in God's word that this great wisdom in biblical principles for the good of everyone. I would say that living, to the extent we can advocate for biblical principles that's in the best interests of atheists in America. Yet, in fact, here's the way I like to talk about it in and around and talk about this in the stable somebodies in the church. I think the way we used to communicate to the culture that were engagement with something like this it's true because it's in the Bible. Okay.

Yet the Bible was our warrant and in the truthfulness was supported because it's in the Bible, but the culture that were in now. We have to flip that kite in the Bible because it's true yeah okay and beak and it in when I say it in the bow because it's true. That means we need to probe what makes life efficient and effective, and why does the Bible say that this why will the Bible says it this way because this is a healthy way for people to get along. This is a healthy way to function. This is an efficient way to live. This is living life the way it was designed to relive those kinds of point and that's a point you can make to someone or attempt to make someone regardless of where they're coming from religiously and that it takes work on our part and yeah that and but it's a different kind of communication because now it's gotta dig a little deeper than simply say you know the Bible tells me so right.

So for example I was just writing on the subject become ready Onset, next year which which intersects with a lot of the preliminary material in your book, which really fascinated me that the whole concert to be created in the image of God and the dignity that gives to every human being. Obviously that fuels the pro-life movement. But then you have to show how it affects all of society and lifts up humanity because we created an image of God, you take that away and we just are massive cells for carbon unit 60, yes, that's our special interest group. You know and and so the key here is is, no matter how flawed people are the one thing we can say about them religiously or one thing we can say about them religiously. Is there all made in the image of God, their life to serve respect our discourse and engage with them deserves to be done with respect etc. and how this impacts the tone with which we engage, sometimes we can be right, but we do it the wrong tone we've actually not been very biblical about how we've engaged yeah and so that means, for example, what I'm doing with this use of LGBT activism is a just got a very painful call from a woman with a situation with her father for child now claims to be a woman wants to be called mommy and so on.

One thing that was emphasized is that every individual, including those who identify as transgender or created an image of God, yet fallen and and those for whom Jesus died. So, while we want to stay in a forthright society we have to do it in a way that's compassionate to every human being, including those who are struggling and include those are in rebellion because God offers mercy right when it went.

When we come back Darrell. Let's start to go through some of the controversial issues be governments or small personal wealth or shared resources and that friends whatever side you're on. Darrell Bock will get you thinking and I'll get you thinking a lot more if you get the book, how would Jesus vote. Your political positions really align with the Bible 20 evidence, says Dr. Darrell Bock is given us an excellent tool for biblically and wisely addressing the myriad of political issues we face today is must reading for those who want freelance real problems. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown festered zaleplon prolific New Testament scholar at Dallas theological seminary, research professor there.

All written many fine commentaries on the New Testament, theological penetrating books in the New Testament also was written some really practical books retakes his biblical scholarship in terms everyone can understand unpacks things for us. His newest book, how would Jesus vote. Your political positions really align with the Bible and one of the things that's really fascinating.

Darrell doing life talk radio as I get to interact with folks from a wide wide range of views and it fascinates me that committed Christians can be so divided when it comes to politics and passionately so I mean will will be time of the gospel and agree agree agree agree and then will be talking politics and annexing everybody's blood is boiling, what, what do you counsel us to do. How should we better approach this as we ask, how would Jesus vote.

Well, one of point to the book that I hope I'm able to demonstrate how about the right and allow to collectively handle biblically in the appeal of the book is what we live in a fallen world in which life is intention and politics is about negotiating life due to intention and so you need to be able to see that both sides oftentimes are bringing to the table certain themes that are reflected out of biblical concerns and have respect for before that in our political discourse needs to turn in the direction in which we negotiate out these tensions. That's actually what politics is designed to do and we do again and we say this is Bill this where this is the right position or this is the left position and we selectively handle the tax we actually rob ourselves of the discourse. Not only that we ought to have but that we need to have in order to try and balance things that are intention, which is what politics ultimately is trying to negotiate. All right, let's let's take a couple of minutes we just got a short segment here and then will come back for one want a couple minutes where do those on the right. That's right put myself where do we get things wrong. What are we missing when those on the left get things wrong. What are they missing man.

It depends on the issue. So I'm not sure it's always that it can be quite put that way, but let's take an example okay on immigration okay. Generally speaking, the right has been a voice that's been hesitant to pursue immigration reform and the left is been interested in pursuing immigration reform. Now I think that one of the factors is going on here were just honest is that is that there's probably a recognition boy don't think this is necessarily true that if you open up and broaden the voting base that's going to help the left and harm the right so that so that may be part of what's going on here, but in fact if you think about the actual Hispanic population about which this would be an important segment of this conversation. If you're trying to assimilate them.

They actually are conservative. Generally speaking, theologically there heavily influenced by the Catholic Church. They are very family oriented.

For the most part, that kind of thing they have may have some core conservative values are so I'm not sure that read is necessarily correct all the way. Our politics is worked out. We tended to push Hispanics to the left.

By the way, the right has reacted okay so that's part one. But here's the point that there on the one hand, the nation has every right to determine the kind of nation's gonna be what if laws are to be an expected loss to be followed in tight belong needs to be honored in order to have a stable society but the flipside of Scripture is that worshiping exposed shelter. As Christians we showed terrific compassion to those who are foreigners in the Old Testament is chock-full of tax talking about how foreigners are to be cared for in the context of Israel regardless of what the religious belief is because usually what was the last three under slavery.

Those are in tension with each other. The resolution on the other side of the breast. I got it good time in there.

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On the other hand, Israel responded you were slaves in Egypt. Be kind to to the sojourner in your midst of the immigrant in your midst obvious he was talking about a terrorist coming in to kill you. The vast majority of immigrants in our country, not terrorist coming to kill us so what's the resolution. Great way to fill up the question. Could you added another layer. I didn't have time for before which is that you know the whole security question which always also as a part of this any what you can see that there there are multiple sets of legitimate concerns. And what happened to the side, picks the concern that controls their conversation and what I'm arguing in the book is is it rather than making that the key way to think about this. What you're really wrestling pores, how to balance all these elements and so one way to do it with regard immigration or lease.

One way to propose doing it let's fix the border first and then worry about what's going on internally but that doesn't work it doesn't work for two reasons. One is.

Some people claim the borders never fixed and will never get to the internal issues. The second reason is that that part of your problem is what's going on internally that you need to fix now deporting 11 or 12 million undocumented workers and their families.

Some of them have been here for three generations, some of whom were here by by invitation initially and then by winks and nods for generations and then all of a sudden we got worked up about immigration.

That's not a very just way to think about this in the chapter actually go through the history of our immigration laws so people can see how we got to the sick? So what you do you do comparable, the, the process you work on fixing your borders and really trying to stabilize how your immigration policy works but you also work internally on how to assimilate the many people who are here and the people who want to stay here and really the people he would like to be good citizens if there were a way to have it happen and what you do with the undocumented people you make them pay for their crime with a penalty of time in terms of what it takes for them to come to full citizenship, then it's not straight amnesty.

The word that I think has passed damaged our immigration discussion, more than any other is the use of the word amnesty when ever you talk about integration and assimilation of those who are already here as it AIPAC any pathos to citizenship is automatically amnesty.

That's not the case can be structured in such a way that laws honored on the one hand, and there's an effective penalty paid for and yet you integrate these people. It's to our society's benefit, ultimately, to immigrate to integrate these people rather than have them operate underground in our society for a whole series of reasons, some of which we discover when two cars run into each other, and one person doesn't have insurance because they didn't want to expose themselves in the process and by the way, my, my conclusions are very similar to yours that was one area where had a different perspective than Sen. Cruz, whom I endorsed, I thought, yes, much as you enforce the law still has to deal with certain realities on the ground and in the people that are been here multigenerational and give them a camera and your wrestling with communicating your sense of compassion and care for people as you work out your politics.

The real thrust of this book is an attempt to argue that in the and our politics should reflect as much as possible.

Our commitment to people and and that that kind of ethical center of what you're trying trying to do and that means doing a good job of listening of engaging, of reflecting and also in some cases of working out in some cases compromises on some of these tensions that allows them to operate in relationship to each other rather than in isolation from each other. Yeah you know I'm reminded of something when I first spoke for pastor Robert Morrison in greater Dallas Texas area pastor Gateway church. He explained to be the motto of the church. That's when they had maybe about 3000 members, a predicate, 30, 35,000 members now, but he gave me the whole motto. He said if you forget that.

Just remember this if you forget that. Just remember, we care about people and obviously that's God's heart. It's not humanistic because real care means you gotta have God's perspective on what's best for humanity. That's at the heart of this and that's ultimately with politics should be involved with all right government, big government or small, where does Jesus stand on that.I when I was wrestling with the question I was going to get out. I needed some looking at okay so then tell me how would Jesus vote and after I got, you must answer which is Donald Clinton I would I would turn around and say Jesus can about your neighbor.

He's going to have you think through how your issues impact the society that you're living in, and that's what you're always wrestling with. So sometimes I hear post is a binary it's our compassion, and it's the church and its voluntary giving that should serve people and we should keep the government out of it okay. My responses look this problem is so big we need all hands on deck. If were going to go after some of the issues that we have some of which are structural, some of which are societal in terms of what they contribute all hands have to be on deck, but we need is a serious engagement about how best. Some of these institutions that we have can and should be involved. So it's not a it's not an all or nothing, and in turn out. It's a matter of thinking through the degrees to which participation should work the degrees to which cooperation can take place, etc. because some of the problems we face are that big and and so in the chapter on smaller big government. I kind of do a point counterpoint between the people who like what government does and the people who don't like the way government gets involved in the course. Obviously one of those issues, not just the size of government, but the cost of government. What is it take for government to do some of the things we ask can we actually afford societally to be involved in those those are all legitimate questions but we never get to having that kind of discussion with that kind of compassion feeding it. Most discussions end up with while the governments taking tax money by taking the money that I earned out of my pocket you know and the arrows looking at me and what I'm losing in the midst of it, rather than thinking about you know the taxes that I pay actually contribute to the kind of society that I live in and so some of that I should be willing to let go because I understand that they put me in the position of being able to benefit people who otherwise might not get access to some of that definitely sets one of the ways to think about the tax adult dollars that you did not complain about were some of that money goes and we all would have those compliant but we also need to remember that there are a lot of things that we take for granted that those tax dollars make possible heights.

Let's let's go one more step that's an with bubbly friends. We're just getting little highlights from a few chapters in the book. How would Jesus vote. Your political positions really align with the Bible.

What a perfect time for this book to come out. The author Darrell Bock I Darrell minute and 1/2. A comprehensive coverage or choice when it comes to healthcare. What would Jesus say about that well like again if you're clear about loving your neighbor the question about the question would never be a situation in which what you are able or not able to pay would be able to prevent you from getting cared for. If life is sacred life is that sacred and so then the question is how do you design a system that allows that to take place and what I do a map chapters to show how convoluted our system is and how we have structures in our system that no other no other industrialized nation in the world has the way in which insurers are impacting our healthcare is unprecedented in the world, and it helps to drive up our costs. That kind of thing in time for your sake. Surely there's a better way to do this and run and after each of the government do it. The one thing another principle. That's important is doctors and patients should be able to have a clean relationship with on with one another without having someone looking over your shoulder saying you can't care for that patient. In that way.

And so there there are things that we do that make our healthcare convoluted, regardless of whether were talking about Obama care or not. And so that's what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to play with people thinking about how to even approach. Some of these issues and decide our starting points are wrong and so our ending points are wrong to we need to reconfigure how we think about some of the things got it right now is if friends we haven't gotten you provoked yet because yes and stepped on your toes will come back and talk about gun violence is that a few more minutes to success is Darrell Bock's book, how Jesus vote.

The silliest and the whole talk time abortion and homosexual issues.

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks much for joining us today on the line of fire. My guess Darrell Bock, Prof. thousand theological seminary in the world's leading evangelical New Testament scholars but also writes these very timely, practical, thought-provoking books that don't you speak to Christian speak to a larger culture's latest one from thrilled to be holding in my hands. How would Jesus vote.

Your political positions really align with the Bible.

While generally speaking, if you're Republican it's assumed that really strong on the Second Amendment and you may be a member of the National Rifle Association. If your Democrat it's assumed that you want handguns and weapons turned in, and that only the, the police should have weapons and in the other side will say if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns, etc. in each one has their pain brother there. There heart filled often painful narratives to tell what would Jesus come on his knee, the ultimate pacifist or what is coming back in flaming fire taking vengeance on a note� How we sort this one out gun control as a restraint. What a great example of the tension. Okay, I've got Jesus, the pacifist on the one hand, and I got Jesus coming back in being part of her dissipating unit in the ultimate judgment on the other and and that's what you see you see the right of people to protect their person and their property. You know it's interesting the Old Testament. There's a rather strange that the laws if you kill someone who invaded your tent at night.

You're not culpable but if you kill someone who ventured tent during the day, you are culpable for fine and and the premise here is that you have the right to defend yourself but you don't have the right to defend yourself indiscriminately and so that's kind of the way I I see the thought, you know, our society is very different than site England world, where weapons are at least theoretically outlawed and you're not supposed to have that we've made the decision to have weapons and because we made the decision we got so many weapons now. Even if you wanted outlaw them. It would be practical so so we gotta figure out how to live with weapons, but the question is, I have the right to defend myself. On the one hand, but on the other hand do I have the right to use whatever weapons in whatever way I want to express whatever revenge or justice as I see it in the answer that question. I think scripturally is now you have the right to use as much power as is necessary to defend your moral ground, but that's it.

And actually you should be working and trying to do everything you can not use that power we come to the issue of the military and defense we got a similar kind of position that expresses itself that way between nations as well and so that's part of negotiating the tension how I use the power. So the question is, should the average person. Have you know have carte blanche on the kind of weapons I have access to.

I think that's a question our society should discuss not telling you where the line is, but I think it's worthy of discussion that kind of thing. So that's the way I would handle the gun control situation and the beauty of my position is, is that no one is happy with the position that because I'm I'm I'm upsetting a little bit of both sides of the part of the point is to say if you're going to live together society with people have different views.

How do you how do you negotiate that space well and you're asking each side to give up a little something for the sake of the other in the midst of the conversation. So in that sense we can assume that Jesus would not be registered as Republican or Democrat, is that the your thinking be tough to do in Rome.

Republicans and Democrats brought to my apologies did not know.

I think what you do what I'm what I'm suggesting here is what Jesus would Jesus would ask us to do is think about how we were approaching the issues that we vote on that's really what rest you not asking who would Jesus vote for him asking, how would Jesus about how would he get us to think through the end I think all Scripture does this. How should we think through the kinds of issues.

The relational gun control. Kind of a fun one because of course there were no guns anywhere any point in the in the Bible thought even talk about that you talk about that by looking to see what the Bible has to say about violence and defense. Those kinds of areas. Let's just let's just enjoy having you on the New Testament selling by the way Darrell deals with a foreign-policy globalization war and peace, race, education, the family abortion embryos. So I met all these these hot button issues, but since since a better New Testament scholar whose written a massive Luke commentary in in Luke 22 when Jesus asked in a Gemini Sorensen. We have the couple. Okay, enough. What was he was he thinking you don't get it, guys. I'm not talking literally I'm saying we need to look like transgresses for is a 53 over ceasing hits can be tough. From here on, and you need to defend yourselves. How do you interpret that well at a little bit of a mix of the true again because when a court got arrested someone took him pretty literally pulled out their sword cut off the year of one of the flight of the service guy and what it Jesus do psychic fighting and told him to stop and eat and he healed the guy with the with the cut here and you know and allowed himself to be arrested. No part of the point of being a Christian it that Jesus tried to repair the disciples for was to cite two things the world to push back on you. You're going to be persecuted. But the issue is your faithfulness in the midst of that and so there's something vulnerable about being a Christian. That also is a part of this conversation that we need to be sensitive to body one thing at the same time you are going to need to do a little better job looking out for yourself. So when the persecution got intense in certain places and asked what it Paul do, he fled the city to protect himself back kind of thing.

So what you don't see in the New Testament is the church kind of fighting back in kind when things get violent and acts it's always the people persecuting the church. You are responsible for the violence. So what would you say to Christians in Syria should they be aligned themselves against radical Muslims. I think they should do whatever they can to try and protect their health and well-being, and if they end up being martyred.

You know that I have a eternal relationship with the living God. That is more important than anything I have on this earth got it all right friends Darrell Bock is if you looking for great scholarly resources New Testament house at the top of the list.

His brand-new book for everybody. This is for your interested reader how would Jesus vote. Your political positions really align with the Bible. Hey Darrell, great talking to you. Thanks for giving us a whole hour. Much appreciated my pleasure Michael anytime all right.

So friends get the book and let your views be challenged and think about and I've often told you that I got a few nonnegotiable's I look at Rick candidate stance on abortion with a stand on marriage and family with a stent on Israel and if they're strong on those three then I'll consider their other positions. But if they're not, I won't.

That's how I've looked at things douse challenging us to look it a bunch of other issues and weigh them all carefully and yet my own view I'm on an independent I've largely voted Republican for number of years now because of the platform and some of the candidates in my differences with the Democrat side, but I've never thought of Jesus being part of a political party and you can't beat. You certainly can be feel. That's real alignment, and work within the party to bring about good that I would never think of putting Jesus within a party transcends it any challenges us to step back and look at these things all right friends, check out this week's latest resource offer, you will be blessed by trust me on that aspect the ground.Ward my bottom line today. Jesus doesn't fit into our little group denomination party transcends it is Lord of it calls us to submit to him