Christians in the Cultural Crosshairs

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Michael Brown, welcome to The Line of Fire. At the bottom of the hour, going to be joined by Dr. Jennifer Morse. We'll be talking about this whole sexual revolution that's been fought for so many years and how the Church has been right with its sexual ethic. After all, I think you're going to be edified, encouraged by this conversation. Before then, I will take calls on any subject under the sun that you want to talk to me about.

866-348-7884. Totally off the topic that we'll be talking about at the bottom of the hour. I'm going to take some calls before then.

A few things first. Number one, I find it so interesting when I debunk Jesus coming in 2023, you know it's 2028, you know it's 2030, you know it's this, that. I say, hey look, I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, but I don't divide over it. We will be caught up to meet Jesus when He returns. I simply believe it is at His second coming, at His arrival, not seven years before that. I don't believe there's a second coming and a third coming. So, He appears in the clouds of glory for the entire world to see we are caught up to meet Him. The dead in Messiah resurrected first. We who are alive remain caught up to meet Him as per 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. And we now escort Him back as He establishes His kingdom on the earth.

I've had people rebuke me and call me a heretic. You deny we're going to meet Jesus. No, it's the question of when. It's the question of when. But bottom line, the emphasis is not to get in a fight with you about doctrine.

The emphasis is not to get half the audience cheering me on and the other half of the audience upset. The emphasis is to say let's live for God today. Whatever we believe about tomorrow, let it positively impact the way we live today. And I am not one of those who says for sure we are the last generation and for sure everything is getting worse, so why bother throwing the towel? No, that is not my heart.

That is not my understanding of Scripture. We may be in the last generation. I hope we are. I want to see Jesus return in my lifetime. That would be the most glorious imaginable way to leave this world and to see everything that He wants to do before His return accomplished. That would be beyond glorious.

That would be a dream come true. But whether we're the last generation or not, as Dr. Josh Peters, our missions director, has often said, this is our last generation. We're here for us.

It may not be the last generation, but it's our last generation. So, I want to run my race. I want to encourage you to run your race. I want to stand strong today so when I stand before the Lord, whether it's a year from now or a hundred years from now, His return, whenever we give account to Him, when we lead this world, I want to hear, well done, good and faithful servant. I want to see that divine smile.

I want to know that I please and honor the Lord. I want to know in that sense I've left it all in the ring. I've gone for it. I've run my race. I want to be able to say with Paul at the end of my life, and therefore really at the end of every day, I've fought the good fight. I've kept the faith. I've finished the race. And if that's the case, you may believe in a pre-trib rapture or not.

You may be pre-mill, on-mill, post-mill. We may have some differences on some of these things. The question is, are we living for God today in a way that makes sense in the light of eternity?

That's it. Otherwise, I'm not here to divide over eschatology. I'm going to lay out clearly where I see pitfalls and different viewpoints. I'm going to lay out clearly where I have concerns about how things play out with regard to Israel, etc. But bottom line, bottom line, my goal is to help you bear maximum fruit. My goal is to see you healthy, thriving spirit, soul, mind, body.

My goal is to stand by your side to equip you because you're on the front lines. And this is the other point I want to make, then I'm going to go to the phones. It's so critically important that we all take a stand, that we all determine to do what's right, that we all determine to speak. You see, if one person speaks up and no one else does, it's easy to cancel that person. It's easy to push that person off, marginalize them, get out of here. But one person says, you know what, I used to be gay, I'm not. I'm ex-gay. God changed me.

He did it. Well, no, that doesn't really happen. You're never really gay or you're bisexual, you're denying it. Well, when it's hundreds, when it's thousands, it's a little harder to deny that. When so many people are now, quote, detransitioning, they had sex change surgery, they had hormone treatments, maybe they were 13, 14, another 17, 19, 20, 22, and they're detransitioning and they're bringing lawsuits against hospitals and doctors. Well, it's a tragic shame that this ever happened. It is a tragic shame that we allowed this kind of child abuse on our watch. It's a tragic shame that President Biden and others are fighting for this very, quote, right now. And I know in their mind it's for the good of the kids, they're going to commit suicide, they'll be happier if you do this. I understand their arguments. Bottom line is, more and more speaking out, it's hard to silence all of them. You ever played that game whack-a-mole?

It was an arcade game, right? So this little mole would come up and you got this mallet and you'd hit it, but then pop up and hit it there and then boom, boom, boom, boom, and you'd try to get really fast until you can't whack them so much? Well, we're like the whack-a-moles in that regard. If millions of us stand up for our testimony, for what's right in the workplace, stand up ethically, stand against injustice. Look, you know, the back of segregation, the back of slave trade, these things could have been broken so much earlier if people who knew it was wrong spoke up. See, it's just one person, you're going to lose everything, it's worth it, but when it's hundreds, when it's thousands, it's not the case. So kids in school, I'm not saying be obnoxious, I'm not saying be self-righteous, but don't just go along with the status quo if it violates your convictions.

Talk to your mom and dad and say, hey, they want me to do this, I feel it's wrong. Say, all right, we're standing with you. Well, if you're not the only one doing it, things will change. So, quick illustration and then I'm going to go to the phones. So, one of my colleagues, I mentioned this on the air, I mention it to him, he texts me a few months back now and says, hey, I just want to check on this, I believe my position is right, but I want to make sure I'm not being too hard. My daughter's in college, she is part of a team that's working on a publication and the incoming students are required to give their PGPs, their preferred gender pronouns.

And, you know, she has an issue with it, I don't believe she should do it, what do you think? You know, you just go along, do you want to fit in? And then they get to know you, you can be a good witness and just be a peacemaker or are you participating in fantasy? Are you helping people make wrong decisions? Are you affirming something you don't believe in? I said, of course you don't do it under no circumstances. I said, you can have a little fun with it, you know, say my pronouns are Jesus is Lord and just get a little smile.

But, no, just explain why you can't do it in good conscience. So, she, feeling this way herself and with her father this affirmation and then secondarily with mine, she goes and talks to the professor and he says, okay, here's what we're going to do, I'm going to make it optional for those that are incoming on the team here, whether you want to use your PGPs or not. Well, there are, I guess, three young people coming in on the team and all declined, all three declined. And the professor realized, okay, I'm going to have to rethink the policy because he just assumed a certain thing. Well, this is the right thing and the kids want it and it's proper, et cetera, and it's the woke thing, whatever word he would have used, and they all didn't want to do it.

Well, it made him think differently. So, I'm just encouraging you, when you have a choice, when the situation presents itself and you have to make an ethical or righteous choice, act as if, number one, you're going to have to go straight from there to appear before the throne of God. So, do the right thing.

And then secondly, act as if you are one of millions saying, okay, if I do it and they do it and they do it and they do it, instead of the dominoes going one way, the dominoes will start to go the other way. Friends, the tide is turning. The tide is turning. There's always going to be back and forth, ups and downs here until Jesus returns, but the tide is turning. Good things are happening.

Let us stand and speak what's right and do what's right and live what's right by the millions, by the tens of millions across America, and we'll be amazed to see how much more quickly the tide turns. I'm one, you're one, but together we are many. All right, let us go to John in Salt Lake City, Utah. Welcome to the line of fire.

Thank you. I just got a, I got a couple of questions, if you don't mind. The first one is, will this gospel be preached in the millennial reign? Will this gospel be preached in the millennial reign does not seem to be what scripture says. Scripture does speak of all nations coming to Jerusalem to learn from the God of Israel, but it doesn't specific, we are not going to be doing the job of evangelism. The church will have been the church up until that point, and you could raise the question of how will the people in the millennial kingdom get right with God, will we still be pointing to the cross in the same way, etc. It just, you could say the gospel is always going to be preached, there's just nothing in the New Testament that says that it will. It's certainly not in the way we do it today, because things will be different. Jesus will be there, accessible, building and reigning out of Jerusalem. Justice will be perfectly enforced on the earth, so it seems that things will be different at that point. Okay, because if there had to be a blood sacrifice and the cross was the blood sacrifice, then again, wouldn't we be pointing them to Jesus to, for salvation?

Like here. Because there's going to be mortals in the millennial kingdom. Right, for those of us that understand that there's going to be a physical millennium on the earth, but are they being saved into the same ecclesia, the same family in the same way? If they are, in other words, if there is salvation from sin in the same way then that there is now, well then of course it's got to be through the cross. Some would argue, and this is a fair point to consider, whether it will be the job of Israel then as the priestly nation in the millennial kingdom with a physical temple to use that to point to the cross, to point to the sacrifice of the Messiah, to explain it in that way. But certainly, salvation from sin can only come in one way. There's just nothing that says the gospel is going to be preached in this way or that our job during the millennial kingdom as resurrected saints is to evangelize. I don't see it like that.

Things will be different and we just don't have all the information. Right, we've got a break. We'll be right back on the other side of the break. Grab your question and then Sean in League City, Texas, I'm eager to get your question. Stay right here, 866-344-TRUTH. Oh, I'll tell you a funny story on the other side of the break really quickly and then I'll get right back with John. 866-348-7884. First, this friendly word from our co-sponsor.

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It doesn't say that. It doesn't say we're adopted or grafted into Israel in Romans? Grafted into the olive tree.

Excuse me? It grafted into the olive tree. It doesn't say grafted into Israel. That's correct. Isn't the olive tree like a symbol of Israel?

Yes, but beyond. In other words, Paul refers to the believers, the Gentiles in Romans 11 as Gentiles, as distinct from Israel, and says, I'm writing to Gentiles and as much as I'm possible to the Gentiles, because I want you to provoke Israel to envy. So, we never said you became Israel.

That's the whole thing. And then elsewhere, in like verse 27, he's explicit. If you were called, meaning called to the faith, circumcised, don't become uncircumcised. If you were called to the faith uncircumcised, don't become circumcised. So it's not about taking on Jewish identity or being Jewish or saying we're Israel. Nowhere in the New Testament is the church explicitly called Israel. Even Galatians 16, Israel of God is most likely speaking of Jewish believers within the body. Okay, okay, another question, because Old Testament claims that once you come into the tribe back then, the heathen, it didn't say Jew or lost Jew, it said heathen, they are given inheritance into the tribe they're associated with when they get into the covenant. Where do you actually see laws for general, quote, heathen, joining a tribe of Israel?

It's not even something that comes up in the laws, because basically these people are on the outside. Oh, and heathen is an unbeliever. But John, we're in a new covenant, and we now have an eternal inheritance in the Lord. Through Yeshua, brothers and sisters, we have an eternal inheritance in the Lord. We have eternal life now, we have the Holy Spirit now, we have forgiveness of sins now.

That's what we have, that's our inheritance. What is the difference between a Jew and a Gentile? In the Lord? Same as the difference between a male and a female, that we have certain distinctions in our calling and background, but we're 1000% equal, 1000% equal in terms of equal forgiveness, equal status, no one's higher or lower, there's no caste system, there's no class system. In Paul's words, the same Lord is Lord of all, richly blessing all who call on Him. So, and that says male, female, Jew, Gentile, we are 1000% equal in God's sight, yet a man's not a woman, Jew's not a Gentile. So, a Jewish person will have a certain history and connection and perhaps covenantal calling to live out some of the aspects of Torah life as an ongoing witness to the Jewish community and as further attestation of Jewish identity. But it's not a distinction in terms of nature, it just may be certain practices.

A Jewish believer may be more prone to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, a Gentile Christian may be more prone to be in a church that is emphasizing the resurrection on the eighth day, or the first day of the week, on a Sunday. But we're one in the Lord. Hey, I answered a bunch of questions, which I normally don't do, so let me get to another call here.

Sean in League City, Texas. Welcome, sir, to the line of fire. Hey, Dr. Brown, how are you today?

Doing great, thanks. Good, good. I have a quick question. I was reading in Matthew, chapter 8 today, and got to verse 16 and 17, where it says, When evening had come, they brought to him many who were demons to death, and he cast out the spirits with a word, and he healed all who were sick, that it might be fulfilled, which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, He himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses. So, I always thought that was something that was part of the, you know, after he died, but it says that, right, in chapter 8. And so, two things that come to mind is like, I mean, this is kind of a weird, I never thought about this, but did he, in some kind of sense, like, absorb the, in some sense, the sicknesses as he went? Not excluding the demons. Yeah, so tell me, Sean, I'm gonna cut you off only so I can answer your great question, which I dealt with in my book, Israel's Divine Healer, before the break. Otherwise, I have a guest coming on.

So, I apologize for cutting you off, but this is the only way I can answer your question. When you look at Matthew 8, 17, which is quoting from Matthew's own translation of the Hebrews, best as we can tell, Achhen Cholayinu hanisam achaveni shalom. Surely he's borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. When does that happen, according to Isaiah 53? When is it that the Jewish people recognize surely he suffered in our place? It's when he's hanging on the cross.

So, you're 100% right. That is something that has to do with the cross. Matthew is applying it here to say in a very literal way, through his entire ministry, that he is, in a sense, entering into our suffering. So, it's not that he literally is absorbing sicknesses, right, but that he is now entering into our sufferings. So, his whole ministry on the earth is, in a sense, vicarious.

It is substitutionary. He's taking on our sickness, our pain, our agony, our lostness, our alienation. He's coming into our world, taking those things on himself, and then going to the root cause of all sickness, of all disease, of all pain, of all lostness, of all alienation, of all rebellion. He's going to the root cause of all of it, namely, our sin, and nailing that to the cross, and then out of the cross flow all these benefits back to our lives. So, Matthew is taking a verse that applies to the cross and applying it to the earthly ministry of Jesus to indicate that his whole ministry, in a sense, is vicarious. Of course, he has to pay for his sins on the cross. That's when it all happens with his death, but it is a vicarious ministry of entering into our sufferings and taking them on his shoulders until he deals with the root cause of all pain, namely, our sin. And we see many of the benefits of that immediately in this life with forgiveness of sins, with removal of guilt, sometimes with physical healing, with mental healing, with peace, with joy, and then ultimately with the resurrection we'll experience the benefits of it forever. I believe the MacArthur Study Bible says that he carried our sicknesses in his earthly ministry, died for his sins on the cross.

It makes a distinction that shouldn't be made because Matthew is using a verse from the cross, a Jewish confession, recognizing he was suffering for us when he hung on the cross, applying it to his earthly ministry. So, you're definitely asking the right question, going in the right direction. That's why I wanted to give you the answer before the break, because right now, we are out of time, okay? We will be right back, friends, with Dr. Jennifer Morris. I think you're going to find this encouraging, edifying, eye-opening. Let us be people of courage. Let us not cower in the day of battle. Let us stand.

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Thanks so much, friends, for joining us on the line of fire. My guest, Dr. Jennifer Morse, has written a number of books. Most recently, The Sexual State, How Elite Ideologies Are Destroying Lies While the Church Was Right All Along. She holds a Ph.D. from the University of Rochester. She's taught economics at Yale and George Mason. I don't know if I knew that Jennifer taught economics, but she's the founder of the Ruth Institute, interfaith international coalition to defend the family, build the civilization of love.

She is one of the strong Catholic leaders in the nation today standing for what's right based on Christian faith. We've got a whole bunch of things to talk about. Jennifer, welcome to the line of fire. Thanks for coming on today.

Oh, I'm glad to do it, Michael. It's been a long time since we've been on the radio together. Yeah, yeah, I remember less than once on your show.

That was a ways back. Anyway, anyway. So what's happening in your world these days that gets you right in the crosshairs of the Cultural Revolution? Oh, well, I defend traditional marriage, Michael, if you can imagine such a thing. Children need their parents, and so therefore grownups need to behave. And the traditional Christian sexual morality protected the interests of children. And the modern sexual revolution, of course, does not protect the interests of children. And so there are only, I don't know, 10 or 12 or 20 or 50 different ways that the sexual revolution attacks the rights of children and the interests of children.

And so every time I open my mouth, you know, I'm in trouble with someone. But that's the basic thing that we do here at the Ruth Institute, is we try to inspire Christians to understand that we should not be apologizing for our traditional Christian sexual ethics. And these people who say, oh, that's all outdated, that's outmoded, we're so smart, we're so modern, all those taboos were there for no reason, that's not true. Those taboos supposedly served an important purpose, which is to protect the interests of children in having a lifelong relationship with both their mom and their dad. And when you have a lot of family breakdown, a lot of people switching around their sex partners and all that type of stuff, that just really, really diminishes the children's chances of having that happen. So, Jennifer, if you're going to talk about, in a summary way, a summarial way, some of the negative effects, long term, of the sexual revolution, you know, if we just say, well, morals have changed, people say, well, those are your morals, doesn't make them right or wrong, but you're saying that it brings tangible harm. The sexual revolution is not just about thinking differently, it has brought tangible harm on generations of children.

I know it's a big, big question, but in your mind, what are some of the most glaring examples of the destructive effects of the sexual revolution? Oh, I'm glad you asked that and I'm glad you mentioned my book, too, because in my book I talk about all of this, of course, but one of the big ones is the family breakdown through divorce. The impact of divorce on children has been studied very thoroughly. There was a big study that started right after, more or less right after California went to no fault divorce in the 70s, and this psychiatrist called Judith Wallerstein followed the series of families for 25 years. She started out being a big booster of no fault divorce.

She thought, you know, the kids will get over it, everybody will get over it, everybody moves on, it's going to be fine. But the fact is, if you look at one study after another, it doesn't matter what dimension you look at, children suffer from divorce, whether it's their health when they're first born, whether it's their social and emotional development, whether it's their academic development, all the way to the point where when they're making their own decisions about getting married and forming relationships of their own, they have a lot more trouble doing that. And so those are statistics, Michael, you can't argue with the statistics. I mean, there's a survey paper that covered 30 pages of studies with 330 footnotes, okay? And all of them point to the same kind of stuff.

So all kinds of things have been measured. And Judith Wallerstein, when she was interviewing people, because she's not collecting numbers in the same way that statistician would, she's talking to the people. And what she saw is already at the 10 year mark, she's like, these kids are not getting over it. And then by the time she got to the 25 year mark, she was able to say that when the children of divorce reach young adulthood, their problems have not faded, their problems have not gone away, their problems crescendo, because this is where their ability to form relationships of their own and their fears and their lack of skills and their lack of role models and the trauma that a lot of them have been through, that's where it all comes to a head and they are afraid and they have difficulty and they head for the hills.

They're easily spooked when things go wrong. So there's simply no question that divorce has been harmful to children and anybody tells you otherwise is not paying attention. And you hit on just one aspect of the sexual revolution that's made especially no-fault divorce so prevalent. But that's a massive one and it has been studied and that was the whole thing, you do it for the sake of the kids.

Why have the kids grow up in the midst of conflict only to find out what? It took 25 years of studying to find out what believers had been saying, there's a reason that these parameters are in place. And you know how it is, generally speaking when you deviate from God's norms, from God's commands, from God's standards, you don't always see negative results immediately. You know, just like if someone starts to eat in an unhealthy way, they may not catch up for them for some time or they may not see the weight gain for a little while, but each day it's further and further off the mark.

So within Ruth Institute, what do you do, how do you do it, and are we making progress? Well, first of all, I want to endorse what you just said, okay, because really what you're talking about there is the natural law, what we would call the natural law. And as you probably know, Catholics have been talking about natural law for a long, long time, you know, and I think at some point in studying these things, you know, I would look at the statistics and go, gosh, this is really terrible.

And I would try to explain to people the statistics. And of course, what would happen is that young people, you know, college students or whatever, they would say, well, my mom, my parents were divorced, my mom was a single mom, I turned out okay. And I realized, wait a minute, I'm not doing this right.

I'm going about this wrong. And so I sort of, to think on exactly what you just said, if you deviate from God's law, you're going to see negative consequences sooner or later. So I started talking about some of those, I started talking about how, you know, yes, there are single parents and divorced parents, and they're doing the best they can. But still, there are these problems that emerge when somebody gets a new boyfriend, the wife gets a new boyfriend, or the dad gets a new girlfriend, the children feel left behind, the children of the First Union feel like leftovers from that First Union, because mom is now interested in her new boyfriend, and she gets married, they have kids together, the two of them are focused on the new baby, and the child from the previous union feels left out.

And the child from that previous union goes from one house to the other every week. And what they see is their half brothers and their half sisters, they get to be with their mom and dad all the time. And they see hanging on the wall, pictures of their half brother and sister with both parents. They see both halves of that child's family, photos all over the wall.

There's no pictures of him with his, both his mom and dad, you know. And so I start talking like this, and the college students are like, oh my gosh, and then they come up to you and start telling you stuff. You know, I've had kids, I had, I was in North Carolina, Michael, not too long ago in April, I was at a big Catholic conference called Ignited by Truth, and I was, pretty much what I just said is part of a 45 minute talk on this subject. And sure enough, at my book table, a young lady came up with tears in her eyes, and she said, Dr. Morris, you are the first adult I have ever heard say that divorce is hard on kids.

Okay. Now, I mean, you know, and honestly, the remarriage is the thing that really causes the problems. Well, now you think about Matthew 19, and what is Jesus telling you?

You can separate from an abusive spouse. He didn't say that, but we could read into that. But he's saying, don't take another spouse.

It's that second spouse that causes so much divided loyalty and chaos and confusion in the lives of the children. So anyway, you know, that's just another way of saying, the Son of God knew what he was talking about, Michael. Surprise, surprise everybody, but the Son of God knew what he was talking about. So Ruth Institute. You asked me a different question, Michael, I forget what you asked me. Ruth Institute. Tell us about the work of Ruth Institute.

Yes, yes. So the Ruth Institute, we have a very busy website with a, and a YouTube channel and a Facebook page. So we are posting things every day on Facebook.

We are posting two or three videos a week on our YouTube channel. And what I try to do in my, I have a program called the Dr. J show where I interview people who know what they're talking about in some aspect or another, you know? And so sometimes I'll have an expert on there.

I'll have a psychiatrist or a doctor who knows about the physiology of pornography or a therapist. There's different people with different kinds of expertise about the harms of the sexual revolution and the benefits of traditional Christian sexuality. Sometimes I'll have people what we call witnesses, Michael, people who have lived some aspect of the sexual revolution can tell you that it was no fun.

You know, they can tell you what it was really like. We have quite a few, for example, X gays who come on the show. You want to talk about people who are persecuted. I mean, you know, they're not supposed to exist. They've been completely erased from society, you know? So we give them a platform. We've had detransitioners come on, you know, people who tried to live as a, as a person of the opposite sex who did all kinds of things to their bodies in some cases. And they testify, Hey, you know, here's what I was thinking when I went down this path.

Why didn't anybody stop me? Why didn't anybody say, let's look at the underlying issues instead of going straight to the medical stuff, you know? And then sometimes we have activists on Michael, different organizations who are in some way or another addressing some aspect of this problem.

Cause of course the sexual revolution is immense, right? So, so that's our combination of activists, scholars, survivors. And we try to be a hub for different kinds of activities. So with that, when people are looking for information about some aspect of these problems, they can come to us.

If we don't have it, we can probably figure out where it is, you know, but the fact is that we got a lot of stuff on our website, Michael, a lot of information. All right. So friends, the place to go, ruthinstitute.org, ruthinstitute.org. I've got a few more minutes on the other side of the break with my guest, Dr. Jennifer Morris, M O R S E. If you want to check out her books, ruthinstitute.org. We come back.

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I mean, with a smile, he would probe and it was very helpful. I've never stopped thinking about that. If I make a statement or someone else makes a statement, okay, who are these they people? So, your book, The Sexual State, came out a few years back. It mentions how elite ideologies are destroying lives and why the church is right all along. Well, if there are elite ideologies, then there are elite ideologues. So who are these people of whom you speak?

All right, well, I'm glad you asked that. But before I answer that, I want to tell you, I'm going to sign up for your newsletter, and the Ruth Institute has a newsletter that sounds a lot like yours, Michael. And I have an idea that your people are my people, just like you in the Bible.

My people are your people and so on. So, but anyway, yes, the elite ideologies, the elitist that are destroying lives, the way I set up the book, The Sexual State, I break the whole chaos of the sexual revolution down into three basic core ideologies. So there's the, what I call the contraceptive ideology, which says sex and baby should be completely disconnected from each other, sex should be a sterile activity. And that's what a good society is, right, is separating sex from babies. Then there's the divorce ideology, which says you can separate sex and babies from kids, from children, from having children. Sex and babies don't need to be connected with marriage in any way at all.

Okay. And the basic idea there is kids are so resilient, they'll be fine no matter how many times you switch your sex partners. You know, that's the divorce ideology. And then thirdly, there's what I call the gender ideology, which is basically that the sex of the body is not particularly significant. And so therefore we can construct, deconstruct and reconstruct everything that we want, starting with sex roles with the feminist. And now we're to the point where we're reconstructing our bodies with the transgender movement. But the underlying idea of all of that is that the sex of the body is not particularly significant, which of course is completely false in terms of nature and in terms of theology. You know, we can, both in the natural and the supernatural realm, we can reject that claim. But in each of the three sections, I get real specific about who these people are, who have promoted the ideology, how they made money out of it, or they got power out of it.

Okay. And I would say when people are promoting a destructive ideology, there's generally some combination of three motivations, power, money, and personal self-indulgence. You know, that's generally the mix, you know? And so if you look, if you look for, for example, at the contraceptive ideology, the people who've been promoting that are the people who think there are too many people in the world. I mean, that goes back, well, it starts with Margaret Sanger and her whole eugenics idea that we, we need to make sure that poor people aren't having too many kids because they're not the fit. We want the fittest people to have more kids. We want college educated, smart people to have kids. We don't want poor, dumb people to have kids.

You know, that's her basic view. And that morphs into full on, gosh, there's too many people in the world, which is John D. Rockefeller the third. And that, that group of people, you know, Sanger's, Sanger's part of it, but it really takes off in the late 60s with the population bombed by Paul Ehrlich and all of that, which of course turned out to be completely untrue. But if you look at the billionaires, Michael, who believe there are too many people in the world, you will see that there are billionaires who have literally pumped billions of dollars into promoting contraception and abortion and unlimited sexual activity because they think there are too many people in the world.

Warren Buffet, George Soros, Bill Gates, in addition to the Rockefellers back in the day, you know, who were kind of the first ones to get the whole thing started. So, and population control is a very ugly business. And you know, I don't even, I barely scratched the surface of all of that in the book, but it's clear that that's what those people are about finally.

Right. So, you know, I have to be honest, sometimes I can be a little naive about things and I could think that everybody has the best intentions, et cetera. And during, during the COVID crisis and questions about vaccines and things that I wasn't, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I encouraged everyone to do the studies and do what they felt was best.

You know, talk to the doctor, talk to friends, do what they felt was best. But I, I asked, you know, one, one doctor who was critical of vaccines and things, and I said, let me just ask you this. Your average doctor, do you think your average doctor is in the medical profession because they want to, they want to help people?

Obviously, they make a good living from it, hopefully, but they, they want to help people. He said, yeah, the, the higher up you go on the rung though, the further up you go on the corporate rung, the more it becomes a matter of greed. So I've, I've had, I've had friends in the medical profession say there's, there's a new drug that could really be a game changer, but it's the amount of millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars that have to be invested to get the drug to even be looked at and considered. And then it's going to do harm to this other big drug. So it's just like, so I, all that to say that I understand that many times I may think, oh yeah, this is someone's ideology. Yeah.

But once you start making money out of it, your empire is going to collapse. You know, I don't care how passionate someone is saying abortion is a woman's right and so on and so forth. When you get into the headquarters of Planned Parenthood, it's not compassion that's moving them.

There are a whole lot of other things that can be moving them. And, and that's, that's what you lay out and expose. Last question.

We've got to be quick here. So I'm more in the evangelical world than intersecting with the Jewish world in different ways. I intersect a lot with Catholic friends, but I don't live in the Catholic world. The direction of the Catholic church, do you see it as maintaining its important moral voice and these key issues or do you see a real threat to that right now? Oh, this current pontificate is a disaster from that perspective. And it would, it would, I can't answer everything about that in a short period of time, you know, but there's simply no question that that Pope Francis is not of the same caliber of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. There's no question about that. And so what I tell all my Catholic friends to do is look at what we have to rely upon is the catechism of the Catholic church, which has it all there.

Everything you need is all there. That was promulgated under John Paul's papacy. And when Cardinal Ratzinger, now who became Pope Benedict, Cardinal Ratzinger was the head of the doctrinal office, the main doctrinal office.

And so the two of them put together the catechism and that's what we as Catholics need to cling to. Pope Francis is not going to, just for the sake of a little bit of clarity, he will not say, gee, the teaching was incorrect in any kind of magisterial way. He will not confront it like that. What he is doing, what he's in the process of doing is appointing people who will, through their pastoral practice, undermine the strength of that teaching.

Okay. So he's not going to do a head on, you know, a collision with it, but what he's doing is steering it off the rails, partly by his own statements, which are not very clear, and which, you know, perhaps the ambiguity is deliberate. It happens often enough that one suspects a certain, at least indicative of a mindset, let's put it that way. And the appointments that he has made, there's simply no question that he has appointed people who are, let us say, to the far modernist end of the Catholic spectrum. But fortunately there are still people within the Catholic Church who know what's right and who are going to stand with it. And, you know, some of us are going to have more in common with some of our brothers and sisters and other faiths than we do with some of the people in our own churches, you know.

That's been our experience from the beginning of my work in this area, Michael, when I started working on Proposition 8 in California in 2008. That was a great interfaith experience where the Orthodox, traditional people of every faith came together to make that work. And we kind of look at each other and go, you know, I'm more comfortable here with you guys at the mega church over here than I am at some of the four liberal Catholic churches, you know. So today, I think the Lord's doing something of very importance there, Michael. It would take us a long time to talk about it all, but I think the Lord is driving us together in different ways. You know, God can do these things.

God can do that. Yeah. All right, friends, ruthinstitute.org. Check it out. I think you'll be enriched.

I've used materials over the years to my own benefit and to help others. And Jennifer, I think I'm going to be quoting your sexual estate book in a book I'm currently finishing on igniting a cultural awakening. All right, let's talk again, hopefully not so many years in between. God bless. Thanks for joining me today. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye. All right. We're out of time.

We are out of time. Oh, tomorrow, Thoroughly Jewish Thursday. You know, we're going to start talking about the name Jehovah. Really dig me into the Hebrew. Then I'm going to answer a bunch of interesting Jewish questions. All right, don't miss the show. Another program powered by the Truth Network.