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Welcome, welcome to The Line of Fire. If it's your first time tuning in live to one of our broadcasts, we end the week with your calls on any question, any subject you want to raise. Those who differ with me want to tell me why I'm wrong, same number to call. Those who just have a question, want clarification, 866-348-7884 is the number to call. I want to tell you about an interesting thing going on on YouTube a little later in the broadcast. All right, we go straight to the phones. We start with Jim in Chicago. Welcome to The Line of Fire.

Oh, thank you, Dr. Brown. Yeah, so I've heard a lot of debates on once they've always stayed. In fact, I've even heard one or two with you in them, but I've, you know, been a Christian for a long time. And I probably more lean in your line of thinking, however, I've got some great brothers that, you know, think once you're saved you're always saved. But two Scriptures I just want to get your take on that kind of make me think they're at least a strong admonition to be cautious. One is obviously in Hebrews 12 where it talks about the discipline of the Lord, but it goes on to say that if you don't endure this discipline that you become, well the King James says, but in other words it's illegitimate or not in the legal way. So now, am I misreading that or does that sound to you like the Bible is saying, look, you know, God is merciful, He'll discipline you if you make mistakes, and we're not going to be perfect at everything we do, even though we're striving for it. But if we get to the point where we say, look, I'm not enduring God's chase thing and I'm just going to chart my own path no matter what God thinks of it, it seems to me by that passage that's a very dangerous place to be.

Do you, I mean, is that how you read that or am I like missing something there? Yeah, actually I don't read that verse in that way. I do see very strong warnings in Hebrews calling us to persevere in the 2nd chapter, the 3rd chapter, the 4th chapter, the 10th chapter, and at the end of the 12th chapter, beginning in verse 25. But here, the way I understand it, and just checking some different translations, is saying that the fact that God disciplines us is a sign that we're His children. If we go undisciplined, it's not saying if we refuse His discipline, but if we go undisciplined, that would indicate that we're illegitimate children, that we don't really belong to Him, otherwise He would discipline us.

So, when you see, you know, a kid that's not your own acting up, you can't do anything because it's not your kid. So, that's how I understand it, and let's see, in the ESV, let's see, if you are left without discipline to which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. So, this encourages you to say, hey, divine discipline is a good sign. It means God's treating us as children. So, I wouldn't read that one as a warning as much as an encouragement to receive the discipline of the Lord is a good thing.

That's awesome, thank you, thank you for that, I really appreciate it. One more for you, where the Apostle Paul talks about that he disciplines himself, and I think in Greek it actually says he strikes himself lest he would be a castaway. Isn't that like something that he's saying, look, even I have to be careful, I'm just trying to put this in light of eternal security. Here's Paul saying, I could be a castaway.

What do you think of that? Yeah, that's a better text. So, 1 Corinthians 9, 24 to 27, which exhorts all of us to run so as to win the prize and to discipline our bodies. So, the other way to read it, potentially when he says lest I should be a castaway, is meaning lest I should be disqualified as a preacher of the gospel for lack of discipline as opposed to whether I would cast off eternal life entirely.

But you could easily read it in the warning as you do there. And Jim, what I'd like to emphasize to folks is that we are eternally secure in Jesus. We rest in Him, we trust His keeping power. We believe that He who started the good work will bring it to completion.

He's the author and the finisher of our faith. I rest in that 24-7. I can't remember a day in decades and decades and decades and decades where I ever worried for a split second about losing my salvation, but I walk in the fear of the Lord. And should I think, well, hey, I'm saved.

I can do whatever in the world I want. That is the dangerous doctrine. Not the idea that God will keep His people. We glory in that. We lean in that.

We rest in that. You know, someone says if we could lose our salvation, we would. Well, God changes us. Do you fight a battle every single day to stay saved?

In other words, is every day of your life a battle from beginning to end that all you want to do is commit adultery or get drunk or get high or deny the Lord or rob a bank or rape somebody? No, we want to serve the Lord. We fall short, but our desire, Lord, I want to serve you to the core of my being.

Why? Because we're new creations and where we struggle, He keeps us. So, this idea, if we could, quote, lose our salvation, we would not. We're new creations. God's changed us.

We now want to serve Him and do as well. Should someone say, well, I'm saved, I'll do whatever I want to do? No, no, danger, danger that's not taught anywhere in the Bible. And a Calvinist would say, if that's how you end up living and die, then you were never saved in the first place. Or an Arminian would say, you were saved, but you walked away.

Either way, we agree that the proof of the puddings and the eating, that a truly safe person will ultimately live differently. Hey, Jim, quick question. How are you listening to the broadcast today? Well, I know you're on radio in Chicago, but I always do your YouTube because I can watch.

Oh, no, that's great. Well, thumbs up as you're watching, but all of our friends in Chicago listening by radio, so glad to have you on the Great Seven Station. Hey, Jim, thank you so much for calling in. I appreciate it.

All right. 866-3-4-TRUTH. Speaking of YouTube, Kai, you can go and grab a few YouTube questions.

I'll get to some of those as well. 866-348-7884. Let's go to William in Wilmington, North Carolina.

Welcome to the Line of Fire. It's actually Wilmington, Delaware. Oh, got it. Okay, thanks for the correction.

Yeah, we got it wrong on the screen, but the call screeners are busy. Yep, thank you. Dr. Bond, God bless you very much. I wrote a few of your books. I've been listening to you for a while.

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I appreciate that. So my question is this. Someone like Ray Comfort says, when you preach in Christ, do not tell the sinner, God loves you. The Bible says, God upholds the sinner, things like that. When we preach, when we share Christ, are we supposed to tell the sinner, God loves you? Yes or no?

And how can I go about it? Thank you. So I absolutely appreciate Ray Comfort.

We are colleagues, we're not close friends or anything. I respect him, honor the work that he does, and love his no-compromise gospel. I don't know exactly his wording there, but for sure, I would gladly tell the sinner how deeply God loves them. That John 3 16 is telling me that this is how God expressed his love for the world. For the world, right? That means the whole world.

That means human beings. That means the unsaved by sending his son to die for them. And God himself is love. So yeah, there are verses that speak of God hating the sinner, meaning he absolutely abhors who they are and what they do. At the same time, he deeply loves them enough to send his son.

So for sure, I would absolutely tell someone that God loves them deeply. Because of that, he calls them out of their sin. Because of that, he gives them a way to be saved.

That he doesn't desire their destruction, he desires their salvation. We have the revelation of God in Micah the seventh chapter that he delights to show mercy. So God is saying, I want to have mercy. I desire to have mercy.

I love you so much that I've made a way for you to be with me forever. But you must turn from your sin. You must recognize the depth of your guilt in my sight. And you must say, I need mercy through the cross and look to Jesus to save. So I absolutely have no problem saying that. Where I would fully agree with Ray Comfort's cautions is we don't want to make it about, oh God would really like it if you would come to him because he's kind of lonely. And if he would really be happy, he would be so honored if you come to him.

No, no, no. The honor is all ours that he would even reach out to us in our sin and rebellion. So you want to make sure that someone recognizes their sin before God, their need before God, their debt to God.

And that may come relationally over time. That may come from the Ray Comfort method that others use of going through the Ten Commandments or John Wesley and others using the Sermon on the Mount and ask someone, hey, how do you line up? Do you believe in the words of Jesus? Okay, let's look at them.

How do you line up to this? Or just praying for conviction? Without conviction of sin, someone will not be saved from sin.

But the revelation of the love of God is often central to them coming to faith. And I would have no problem saying that as long as I say it along with the rest of the message. Thank you, Dr. Rowe. Thank you. You are very welcome. And thank you, sir, for your support.

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Let's see. Andrew, on YouTube, does the ha in Hebrew mean of as well? I honor your scholarship and even though the ha is the definite article, it simply means the. That's what ha means. There's an interrogative ha, which is slightly different vowels, which puts a question mark on what follows. But ha, as generally used, that is the definite article.

It puts the in front of something. Now, however, you have what's called the construct in Hebrew, or well, I was going to bring it in Hebrew, but I'll just say it in English. So, the construct form, and if I say ish ha'elohim, right, that is literally man, the god.

But when you put the words together, of is understood. But it's not because of the ha. It's not because of ha.

If I said ebed taviv, that is the servant of David. So, that's the construct form where of is understood. But ha is the. Ha is not of. All right, back with your questions on the other side of the break. Hey, friends.

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866-348-7884 is the number to call with your questions, and let us go over to Brett in Little River, South Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire. Hey, Dr. Brown. How are you doing today?

Doing well, thank you. So my question for you is this. My wife and I, we moved down to South Carolina back in January, and I've always been connected to non-denominational churches, all Trinity affirming, and the church we found down here is actually a Oneness Pentecostal Church, or Apostolic Pentecostal Church, and the people are amazing. They just exemplify the love of Christ. They really preach a strong biblical message, solid salvation message, but my concern is the fact that they don't believe in the Trinity, and I've been a little confused over the difference of what they believe versus Trinitarian, so maybe if you could speak into that, I'd really appreciate it. Yeah, so there are different Oneness Pentecostals that you'll meet. I've met some that would seem to be true believers based on the principle of whoever has the Son has the Father also, but they would also recognize other believers in the body and not think that the only ones saved were the ones who held to Oneness doctrine. Those that say the only ones saved are those who hold to Oneness doctrine will say you must be baptized with the formula saying, in Jesus' name, that if you say in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, it's not valid, and they would say that Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Some would have to say you have to be baptized within their tradition with one of their bishops. Others would say you're not saved unless you speak in tongues, etc., and there can be extreme legalism with them, so there are many that are clearly heretical and very much schismatic, but what they would basically say is that just like I am a father and a husband and a son and a grandfather and a grandchild, etc., depending on how you look at me, right? I'm a grandfather's grandchild, I'm my father's child, I'm my child's father, I'm my grandchild's grandfather, I'm my wife's husband, etc., that that's how it is with God, that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that He's basically, and I'm oversimplifying, so if you're one that's been a costal listening and want an added clarification, fine.

This is basically like taking off your uniform. You go to work, you put on your delivery uniform in your truck, you get home, you take the delivery uniform off, so you were a messenger, now you're the father, etc., so they wouldn't say it's so much different. They might use the word manifestations, different manifestations of God, so obviously I have massive problems with that on a scriptural level, you know, when you just read through John 14, 15, 16, the oneness readings are so convoluted that He has to go to the Father, right, in order to send the Spirit, and you've got Father, Son, Spirit, all interacting clearly there. In John 17, the Son speaking of the glory He had with the Father before the world began, etc., etc., you know, there are many things, you know, in the baptism of Jesus, the Spirit comes down like a dove and the Father says, this is my Son whom I love, you know, I was well pleased, etc., that it's, to me, with all respect to the scholars and the oneness movement that would have answers for this, it really makes a mockery of a lot of scripture there. So, if it's a matter of, they put an emphasis on there's one God and one God only, they affirm the deity of Jesus and all the basics, what it means to be saved, they recognize the brothers and sisters throughout the world that are not oneness, that are saved, and part of the church, they just think they have more insight on God's oneness, that would be of less concern, I'd still be concerned, I couldn't make it, my home congregation, you know, and my friend James White would say if you probe the theology deep enough, it's always heretical and the ones that are not heretical just haven't thought it through carefully. But what I would have to do is I would sit down and ask, honestly, okay, first, what do you believe about, you say about me?

I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Can I still be saved? If they say no, okay, well, that's enough of an answer right there that tells you what you need to know. If you say, okay, so I'm a Trinitarian, right? Do you believe Trinitarians are saved? And then how do you view someone like me? And then ask them after, if they've given you answers that say, well, we have these insights, but we recognize the Trinitarian beliefs as true brothers and sisters with different understanding of divine nature, which I doubt they'd answer in those ways, right?

Then you go from there. You know, I think if you just sit down, depending on the size of the church, either the pastor or someone on the pastoral team, say I'm not here to challenge or argue, I just want to fully understand what you believe. I appreciate XYZ and I know you're preaching Jesus and exalting Jesus and saying he's the only way to salvation and he died for his sins and rose for the day and he's God incarnate and all of that, right? So they would emphasize those things. I would ask them the other questions, and if they're schismatic, exclusivistic, if they're damning of those who hold to God's triune nature, if they believe that they're in serious error on one level or another, then you've heard everything you need to hear.

Right. I appreciate that. You know, when I had sat down with the pastor recently, actually, we sat down and had a meal for about three hours and we spoke together and he was sharing how recently a Catholic church had had him come and preach there and he was talking about how people were filled with the Holy Ghost and so he didn't seem on the surface to debate the fact that there were other denominations where, you know, people were being saved and all that, so that kind of made me feel a little more comfortable, but I'm certainly going to approach him with some of those other questions and try to get further insight because I don't want to lead my family down the wrong road and my wife is new to the faith, so I really don't want to get her on the, you know, started on the wrong page. Well, you're on a certain wrong page already, to be honest, as much as you find positive there. There are definitely other congregations that you've been able to find that love the Lord, that don't hold to that error there, so you appreciate the good without damning them to hell. Yeah, but I would encourage you that sooner or later you're going to have to make a move anyway, so the sooner the better, but I would still, just for information, say, okay, how do you view those who've been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, number one.

Number two, how do you view those who hold to God's triune nature, and do you believe that you have a superior revelation, you know, or are they in error, you know, what's your view concretely on that? Just flesh it out as clearly as you can. Okay. All right, and may the Lord lead you to a place where you don't have to compromise some very fundamental essentials, okay? Yeah, thank you, Dr. Brown. All right, you're very welcome. 86634-TRUTH. All right, Joseph, you're next.

I don't want to rush your question, so let me grab a quick one. Leaving the Matrix on YouTube, Nancy Piercy advocates cultural apologetics over traditional. Your thoughts?

Use all that you can, depending on the setting, depending on who you're dealing with, use all that you can. And Eric Metaxas' book, Later to the Christian Church, I haven't read it. I'd like to, but I haven't read it yet, and I haven't talked to Eric about it yet. All right, 86634-TRUTH is the number to call. Got a couple of Joseph's waiting on the other side of the break.

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Dr. Michael Brown Welcome back to The Line of Fire, 866-34-8784. So, on YouTube, I put this little invitation. Those who claim that the original Hebrew letters retain pictographic meanings, and that you can now get amazing insights into the biblical text by opening up those pictographic meanings, something I and other Hebrew scholars would dismiss as utterly bogus and without support and easily refutable.

People are really into it. People call me a liar of the devil, not saved because I deny this bizarre stuff. So, I thought, okay, let's do this. I'm going to take two short Hebrew sentences, each two words.

I'm just going to tell you, okay, here are the pictographs. So, the first is a lamed, which we're told is an ox goad. That's what it originally stood for. Then an aleph, which originally stood for an ox or ox head.

That's what we're told. And then the next is a toph, which is meaning a mark. It's like putting a mark on something. And then, which I'm just trying to think of which came first in terms of the order.

Anyway, so just go through that. I say, right, here's, I'm just going to save you time. Here's the alleged pictograph meanings of these letters. What do they mean? Supposedly, just by looking at this, you can now say what they mean. A couple of folks said, well, why didn't you put the pictographs? They mean the letters. Why didn't I put the letters up?

Most can't read the letters anyway. But all you need to know is what the letters allegedly mean, stand for like ox goad, ox, et cetera. So, tell me what the words mean.

I've only seen a couple responses so far. But my point is that if you sit a thousand people in the room and give them the letters and say, here's what these letters originally meant, allegedly originally meant, according to the pictograph ideas, right? Now, tell me what this means. You'll get a thousand different interpretations because it's not what it means. It's just like if I throw 10,000 little letters on the table, like Scrabble, each with a letter on it, and just say, spell different words.

You'll spell infinite, not infinite, but thousands of different words with the 10,000s of letters that everyone will spell different words with depending on how you put them out. It's that bogus. It's that random. But if you believe I'm wrong, or you just want to take a crack at it, go over to our YouTube channel, Ask Director Brian A.S.K. Dear Brown on YouTube.

I tweeted about it and posted it on Facebook as well if you're following us there. And then take a crack. See if you can decipher the meaning. And either, and don't look at what anyone else wrote in the YouTube comments. Just watch the video.

It's really short. And then write out the meaning that you get from it. And now we'll compare the meaning that one gets with another and another. And see if, wow, amazingly, there is divine revelation here and people consistently getting the same message.

Or if the sky is the limit, it's whatever you dream and imagine because they're not pictographs, they're letters. And then eventually, I'll tell you what they actually say, what the words actually say in Hebrew. Okay, let us go over to Joseph in Washington State, welcome to the line of fire. Shalom, and kol tov to you.

Thank you. Okay, whenever I would read in the book of Matthew chapter 23 and chapter 15, there seemed to be a contradiction. One is saying, in 23, do obey the Pharisees, the Orthodox rabbis, and chapter 15 is saying, do not obey them. And so when I went to the Shem Tov Matthew, written by Evan Shaprud, a 14th century Spanish Jew, it has consistency.

Because, like in Matthew 23, in the Hebrew, it's, excuse me, I'm a little nervous. In chapter 15, he says, why do you transgress the commandment of God by your takkanot? You made the commandment of God of none effect by your takkanot.

And then you have... And takkanot, just for our listeners, is rabbinic ordinances, because they wrote as prohibitions, takkanot is ordinances, so laws that they would establish. So that's another way of saying that by the traditions you've added to the Torah, you've actually violated the Torah. Okay, and then Matthew 23, go ahead.

In 23, but according to their takkanot, and their instructions, ma'asim, do not do. So the Orthodox rabbis have two Torahs, they have the written Torah and the oral Torah, and he's saying, obey him. Moses, the written Torah, do not, he's telling him what they added is incorrect, so my point is, is that the Shem told Matthew, it shows consistency, but the church pastors aren't teaching this, and it leaves, you know, a contradiction in people who don't have this knowledge, you know?

Yeah, it's a great question, and I like the way you framed it, so make sure everybody's following this. In Matthew 15, Mark 7, among other places, Yeshua clearly challenges the traditions of the Pharisees, and says that you have a fine way of setting aside God's word with your traditions. Yet, Matthew 23, at the beginning, he says the scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses' seat, therefore do everything they tell you, but don't follow their example, because they say and don't do.

They put heavy loads on people, etc. But now, through the rest of the chapter, he challenges those very traditions and rebukes some of those traditions. So, the normal way of understanding this is that he is, there are a couple ways.

One is that he's being sarcastic, that this is biting irony or sarcasm, saying, oh yeah, yeah, they say and don't do, so yeah, follow them right, and then he rebukes them. So, that's one way of keeping consistency. The other is that sitting in Moses' seat simply meant that they had legislative power, like the Supreme Court, right? So, that's another way of reading it. I reference this when I deal with this in Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus. Nehemia Gordon popularized this in his book on Hebrew, Yeshua, and Greek Jesus.

The problem is, though, that we have zero attestation of this in any ancient manuscript or citation of ancient Matthew anywhere. Can I answer you? Please, please. Okay, we have... I'm fine.

I agree with the overall sentiment. We have Papias. Papias lived between 60 and 130, and he said that Matthew obtained the word in the Hebrew, and he translated the best studies out of that. No, no, no, that's misunderstanding.

That's not an accurate quote. What you're quoting is Eusebius referencing Papias. So, Eusebius in the fourth century referencing Papias, an earlier church father, who says that Matthew organized the sayings of Jesus in Hebrew, some of Sarah and Eve, say in Hebrew, and then others interpreted it as they would, so that Matthew misinterpreted it.

But here's the thing, Joseph. We have copies, all we have is copies of Greek Matthew. We don't have an ancient copy of Hebrew Matthew. Every single ancient manuscript reads the same way there. Not only so, but when anyone is quoting it... Joseph, hang on. Anyone quoting it in Greek, or then in the later Latin tradition, or the Syriac translation, pashitz, they all read the exact same way, and now suddenly, what is it, 1,500 years later, you have this other reading. This would indicate some type of rabbinic or scribal correction that someone was making.

You've got to have some ancient evidence somewhere. It doesn't all disappear, and we know that the gospel that the early church used, the earliest followers of Jesus were using a gospel in terms of over the first centuries were using the gospel that he wrote in Greek. So he may have also had a Hebrew version, but the gospel we have is what he wrote in Greek. That's what we have. Right, right, right, right. So what I shared with you about the Shem Tov Matthew, about the consistency, you agree with that?

It's a consistent reading, but you don't need it. It's not what the original text said, as best as you can tell. Okay, my next question is, is in Isaiah 26, verse 19, in the Masoretic text, in the Hebrew language, starting with the word kum, arise, the first letter is a yud, and when you follow the same pattern for the next four words after kum, it's the first letter of a total of five words from kum, it's yod-hay-vav-shin-ayim, yahoshua. And it came to me, like, is his name hidden in there? And, you know, about the resurrection? Right, Joseph, so with all respect, you'll find everything, anything. Check out my show from yesterday about all their secret codes in the Bible. You could find anything. If you do that, the Bible's a pretty big book. You count X number of letters here, you get, I've seen it where people try to prove Jesus is a false prophet based on this, or they prove any kind of thing. If a Muslim was doing this to try to find Muhammad, I'd say nonsense.

You could find anything anywhere. The words are what they say. That's the key thing, Joseph. What God has given us is not a secret code, but what they say. If I want to know about God's love, I go to John 3 16. If I want to know about God being the shepherd, I go to Psalm 23. If I want to know about abiding in the vine, I go to John 15.

If I want to know about life in the spirit, I go to Romans 8, and on and on and on. I mean, that's what it's saying. They're not hidden messages encoded within it. Otherwise, the sky is the limit. You could find whatever in the world you want. Hey, but Joseph, thanks for the studying and the thinking.

I very much appreciate it. Kingdom 15 on YouTube asks, what was the relationship with the foreigners that composed the mixed multitude to the covenant God made to the Israelites? Were they in the covenant? Did they just receive blessing by association? No, they became part of the people of Israel. The mixed multitude that left, they were all there at Sinai, and they all either apostatized and left the community or became part of the Israeli community. So you never had a perfect pure blood community. You had intermarriage, you had others joining in over the centuries.

Let's see, let's go over to Joseph in Columbia, South Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire. Shalom, Dr. Brown, thank you for taking my call.

You're welcome. Yes, so I have a clarification question from the Old and the New Testament. So Exodus 13, 2, it says, sanctify the firstborn for me. And then in Numbers 8, 17, 18, it says, you are going to sanctify Levites instead of the firstborn. So, and coming to the New Testament, Luke 2, 22 to 24, it says, Jesus, the firstborn male, was sanctified in the temple according to the law. So Jesus being from the tribe of Judah, why does he need to be sanctified? Yeah, so what you did is that you would redeem that.

In other words, the... Yeah, okay, you can pay attention to the clock here. I'll answer on the other side of the break, but the short answer is the child would still be dedicated, but now rather than them being given to the service of the Lord, the Levite would take their place. You would pay an amount of money and now the Levite would take their place. So that's the answer to the question.

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Yes. Just first off, I appreciate your spirit. I just appreciate everything that you do online, everything that from your past with Brownsville all the way to where I'm standing now.

I just thank you, sir. I was born again in 1979 filled with his Holy Spirit the first week. And he called the Most High, called me to a messianic congregation where I attended for 22 years. So to make a long short of it, there are some that just pains me that are so, as you were saying, people that can be so letter of the law and mean about things, particularly on Facebook with Hebrew roots and some messianics. And then I could hear the black Hebrew Israelites with some of theirs and it's like, it just pains me, sir. Absolutely pains me.

I just know that the Holy Spirit in John will teach you all things. I grieve at times with people that have a mean religious spirit about them. And it's not all. I'm not painting a broad brush at all.

Yeah. And look, there are certain groups, just like if you're in the KKK and you're claiming to be a Christian, you were a hater. You were racist. You were a hater. You were ugly.

You were evil in what you did. Fact. There are some white supremacist Christian identity groups filled with hatred. They're racist. They hate blacks and other people of color. They're hypocrites. They're false Christians. Plain and simple. And the same way, they're Hebrew Israelites who are racist, who are haters, who are false believers.

And they need to be called out and rebuked just the same. But here's the deal. And thanks for the kind words, Joseph. Here's the deal. I put zero stock in Jewishness as far as my salvation. That's zero to do with being saved. It's just my lived experience. Raised as a Jew in a Jewish home, not a traditional Jewish home, but raised in a Jewish home to be bar mitzvahed and know that we weren't like the others, right? We believe differently. And then go back through the generations, be able to trace lineage and family and so on. And you do that through the centuries.

That's just my lived experience. But that doesn't give me any inside road to salvation. That doesn't give me any special benefit as far as, well, I don't need the blood of Jesus. I'm not as guilty. No, no. We're all the same for the cross.

I don't come in with my maleness as giving me any advantage or my whiteness or my Jewishness or my height or we're nothing. Zero. Every one of us, we come guilty in God's sight. Guilty and worthy of damnation.

Every one of us. And Messiah's blood is shed for every single human being. Any doctrine you have that says it was only shed for a particular race or a particular skin color, that's of the devil. That's of the devil. If you say that Jesus, Yeshua, or however you pronounce his name, Yahshua, Yahushua, which are both mythological, not real names of Jesus, but either way, the one who shed his blood on the cross, the Son of God, if you say he only shed it for a particular race, I'm not talking to Calvinists who say that he died for the elect. That's a whole different debate.

I'm talking about those of you who say he died for the whites only or for the blacks only or for people of color only or for Asians, whoever it is. That is of the devil. That is flat out wrong.

That is flat out wrong. If you believe it, you are deceived and you are hell bound. Wake up. We all come the same way through the blood of Jesus, through Yahshua's blood. We all come as needy sinners, whether we're Jew, Gentile, male, female, white, black, yellow, red, whoever, whatever background, rich, poor, whatever nationality, all damned in his sight by our sins, all deserving eternal judgment, and receiving mercy only because of the goodness, love, and grace of God and that mercy as we put our faith in Yahshua who died and rose from the dead, that mercy not only forgives us but transforms us so we now live a new life in obedience to God.

If you believe that Jesus died for one group of people only, I'm not talking about, quote, the elect, I'm talking about a skin color, an ethnicity, or he excluded one group of people, he excluded the whites, he excluded the blacks, that is a Danville heresy. You are lost. You are hell bound. Wake up. With love, I urge you, wake up.

You have been duped. You have been deceived, maybe hurts in your past, maybe things you've gone through, maybe mistreatment at the hands of others. Satan's found a way into you, and right now as I'm speaking, the Holy Spirit's speaking to some of you and convicting you. You may get right back and mock me and attack me and lie about me, but that's because the Holy Spirit's going after you. May he bring you to repentance and salvation. Hey, thank you, sir, for the call. I appreciate it.

Let us go over to Adrienne in Chicago. Welcome to the line of fire. Hello, hello, Dr. Brown.

Hey. Yeah, I hear an echo, so it's a little bit, anyhow, just, I have two questions. First of all, I've been a believer, a follower of Jesus Christ since 1968, and yet I have two questions. Yes, it's a wonderful thing. The first one is, are we believers going to be present at the great white throne judgment when Satan's thrown into the lake of fire?

The second question is, the Bible says we are going to be judging angels, and I'm thinking the angels have already been judged because the lake of fire was created for them, and so I don't understand if you could throw some light on that. Yes, sir. Hey, quick question. Are you listening online or on radio? Radio. Right now I'm on the telephone. Okay, wonderful. Right, so just, yeah, shout out to everyone listening. I just want to make sure I had the numbers right. 1160 AM WYLL, our great Chicago station.

We only went on Chicago about two months ago, and we're so thrilled to be with you five days a week, so your time, two to three in the afternoon, 1160 AM in Chicago. All right, so first thing, Adrian, to know the Lord since 1968, you got me by three years, but we all have questions on certain details, so clearly we will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, 2 Corinthians 5, 10, Romans 14, 12. We will give account for our lives, but not as to whether we're saved or not.

This would be as forgiven people giving account for our lives, and it seems there's some rewards that come with that. As for the great white throne judgment described in Revelation chapter 20 verses 11 to 15, we may be present to witness it, but we will not be present in terms of being judged. There, all those whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, cast into God's judgment.

So we do not stand, as I understand it, before the great white throne. That is the judgment on the lost, the rebellious. Rather, the judgment we have before the throne of Christ is something of an evaluation, not whether we're in or out, but as God's children, an evaluation. As for what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 6, when he says we'll judge angels, so it may, there are a number of questions.

We just don't know a lot about it, which is why it's a valid question to ask, and I can't give you a dogmatic answer because there's not a lot of information. We know, for example, in Matthew 19, that Jesus tells the 12 disciples that in the renewal of all things, so the millennial kingdom, when he rules and reigns on the earth, that they will sit on 12 thrones judging the tribes of Israel. So we understand there's going to be certain authority given to certain people during that time. My understanding would either be that we will be the ones who will now pronounce judgment on those fallen angels. So we know, yes, Matthew 25, that hell is prepared for the devil and his angels. We know, for example, 2 Peter chapter 2 and chapter 3, that he's kept the angels who rebelled in judgment in a hellish position, right? Tartarus, you know, a place where they've been bound, but it could well be that the meeting out of the judgment, that the final evaluation is something that we get to do.

I mean, either way, it's a sobering, that's a, whoa, are you kidding me thought? And Paul's saying, so you can't come to judgment? You're going to go to the secular court over about it? You can't work it out yourselves? You've got to judge angels one day.

Come on! You've got to dispute about property or difference in business. Fix that. Decide among yourselves. You don't have to go to the secular courts for that. The other possibility is, the other possibility is that we're going to judge angels, meaning evaluate them, in terms of how they did, just as we will stand before Jesus and he'll evaluate us. So, the righteous angels, the angels who didn't fall, is there any level where it means that we will evaluate them? I don't think it means that, but it's certainly possible. Either way, it's a very sobering thought.

We just don't have a lot of information and scripture on it. Thank you for the call. And again, shout out to all of our great listeners. I'm living 60 a.m. Tell your friends in Chicago, boss Paul, YouTube, I believe in the rapture. I do not believe in a preacher of rapture. Read the book. Craig Keener and I wrote, Not Afraid of the Antichrist. Have a blessed weekend. Another program powered by the Truth Network.