Is Same-Sex Attraction Sinful In and Of Itself?

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So is same sex attraction in and of itself sinful, even if you don't act on it? It's time for the line of fire with your host, biblical scholar and cultural commentator, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice for moral sanity and spiritual clarity. Call 866-34-TRUTH to get on the line of fire. And now here's your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Oh, yeah, this is one of those days we're going to focus on moral sanity. We're going to look at what's happening in the culture around us. We're going to dig into the scriptures together. We're going to get some wisdom from God and sort through some very difficult and very personal issues, things that touch people's lives, not just abstract theology, but things that touch people's lives in very personal, intimate ways.

Michael Brown, welcome to the line of fire again, broadcasting from our studio Christ for the Nations in Dallas. If you'd like to weigh in on today's subject and answer the question, is same sex attraction itself sinful or is it only sinful to act on it? 866-34-TRUTH is the number to call 866-348-7884.

If you differ and think that same sex attraction can be fine if it's in a committed relationship and you consider yourself a Christian, by all means, call in and tell us why. Yeah, I will disagree with you in a friendly way, but by all means, call in and tell us why. If there are other questions you want to ask unrelated to today's content, I've got a lot of ground to cover. I want to talk to you about some outrageous things that happened at the Grammy Awards and how it ties in with what I was talking to students about here about demons and deliverance here at Christ for the Nations. So a lot of ground to cover, a lot of things I want to talk to you about some major updates on some important court cases.

But I may get to some other calls on other subjects. So if you want to weigh in same number 866-34-TRUTH. So we all agree if we are a Bible believing conservative followers of Jesus and we hold to historic church and synagogue teaching on gender roles and on the meaning of marriage, then we all agree that same sex relationships are sinful in God's sight. Now, some of you listening are same sex attractor in a same sex relationship. And you say, man, you're just a hater, a bigot. You don't understand. Well, give me a hearing.

OK, if that's your conclusion afterwards, that's your conclusion. But give me a hearing. Every one of us as a human being, all of us fall short in different ways. We are flawed out of the womb. We have issues and problems out of the womb.

You don't have to teach a little child to lie or to rebel to say no. We can be selfish. We can be greedy. We can be violent. We can be angry.

We can be lustful. We can have all types of issues growing up. And there are things that are inborn in terms of our sinful nature. There are other things that come through society through growing up, through being influenced in certain ways, through life experience.

There are many, many different factors that contribute. But there are many things in us that we recognize even to the core of our being, whether we're born that way or not, just part of sinful human nature. It's something that happened in life experience to the core of our being. We are sinful and we need redemption and we need mercy. I was not a sinner because I was shooting heroin as a teenager. I was shooting heroin because I was a sinner. I was not a sinner because I was angry and proud and rebellious. I was angry and proud and rebellious because I was a sinner. Those were manifestations of my sinfulness.

When I got saved, what does the gospel say? Deny yourself, take up the cross and follow me, even the fundamental aspects of your being. Deny yourself, take up the cross and follow me.

You might say, if you're same sex attracted, well, here's the difference. You didn't have to stop being heterosexual. Well, God didn't promise me a wife. God didn't promise me a sexual outlet. God didn't promise me anything. When I came to faith, it was leave everything.

Follow me. So our lives belong to him. There are coworkers of ours who've been killed for the faith martyred church because they're followers of Jesus and in their country could cost your life. They've been baptized. They've been killed for preaching the gospel.

So be it. Their lives belong to God. So we all have to start with the posture of God doesn't owe us anything. He had incredible mercy on us through the cross.

Now, from here on, we belong to him. But as I understand the plain, clear teaching of scripture, having looked at all the arguments raised by gay activists, apologists, theologians, different students of scripture, all the objections raised that say, no, no, no, the Bible's only against a pederasty, it's only against pedophilia, it's only against prostitution. It's only against promiscuity. It's not against loving, committed same sex relationships. I reject that fully and completely based on the clear testimony of scripture.

So I have zero question whatsoever. And I know it's painful for some to hear, but no matter how committed you are to each other, you may love each other as much as a heterosexual couple be just as devoted to each other. You may be raising a child together and doing your best to be good parents. I still say plainly based on the word that is not God's plan. There's not God's intent. There's not God's order.

And the very relationship is sinful in God's sight and must be repented of to be in right relationship with him. I know those sound like hard words to many, but open rebuke is better than secret love. Telling the truth is what you do. You go to the doctor. He doesn't tell you what you want to hear if he's a good doctor.

He tells you what you need to hear. And homosexuals, heterosexuals, everybody, wherever you fall, we all fall short. We all need deep repentance, mercy by the grace of God.

We need transformation to the core of our beings. So the question is same sex attraction itself. Is that sinful? I've been watching a debate among some Southern Baptists. There is one Southern Baptist professor who didn't even speak so much of sin, but more just an emotional thing that's wrong. But saying, yes, if you act on it, it's sin. But just the desires themselves, it's not associated with sin.

It's more emotional. And others have pushed back and say, how can you say that same sex attraction in and of itself is sinful? So in the same way, if a man was struggling with adulterous attraction, a married heterosexual man struggling with adulterous attraction, isn't that in and of itself sinful?

Is it sinful or is it only sinful if he acts on it? We say, well, one thing is a temptation. The other thing is part of the very person's nature.

Well, the temptation comes in harmony with with our nature. Let me let me read to you from Article eight in the Nashville statement. This is a statement that came out a few years ago. I signed I was not one of the initial signers.

I wasn't invited to do that, but signed it later on without any hesitation whatsoever. In terms in terms of human sexuality, human relationships is established by God. So I want to read this to you. Article eight. We affirm that people who experience sexual attraction for the same sex may live a rich and fruitful life pleasing to God through faith in Jesus Christ, as they, like all Christians, walking purity of life. We deny that sexual attraction for the same sex is part of the natural goodness of God's original creation or that it puts a person outside the hope of the gospel.

Article nine. We affirm that sin distorts our sexual desires by directing them away from the marriage covenant and towards sexual immorality. A distortion that includes both heterosexual and homosexual immorality. We deny that an enduring pattern of desire for sexual immorality justifies sexually immoral behavior. So we affirm what sin does. We deny that an enduring pattern of desire for sexual immorality justifies sexually immoral behavior.

And one more, Article 10. We affirm that it is sinful to approve of heterosexual immorality or transgenderism, and that such approval constitutes an essential departure from Christian faithfulness and witness. We deny that the approval of homosexual immorality or transgenderism is a matter of moral indifference about which otherwise faithful Christians should agree to disagree. So I affirm those statements. I affirm the affirmation.

I deny the denials with them. I don't see anything controversial from a biblical viewpoint about those statements, certainly nothing hateful, nothing bigoted, just being biblical. But that would seem to say again, Article eight, that someone could be same sex attracted and live a holy life. We affirm that people who experience sexual attraction for the same sex may live a rich and fruitful life pleasing to God through faith in Jesus Christ as they, like all Christians, walk in purity of life. So in other words, while it would be wonderful for someone who's same sex attracted to become opposite sex attracted so they could be married and have children in a natural way, that would be wonderful. God does not call us to heterosexuality, primarily calls us to holiness.

Then obviously the manifestation of holiness will work its way out in all different areas of our lives. But if someone if you are same sex attracted and you want to follow Jesus, you think I keep saying no, I keep saying no. I keep fighting these thoughts and fighting these thoughts and they don't go away. Well, pursue holiness. Say no to the flesh. Say no to everything displeasing in God's sight.

If it keeps coming up, keep saying no. Pursue intimacy with God. Learn about the incredible grace of God that not only forgives us, but empowers us to live new lives. Renew your heart and mind to the word. Perhaps you can get godly counseling to get to the root of some of the same sex attractions.

Perhaps the areas that need spiritual ministry deliverance. But whatever it is, we're called to be holy even in the midst of temptations and struggles. What about, though, the desire itself? The desire itself is a sinful desire because it's contrary to God's plan and will, just like an adulterous desire is a sinful desire or a single man or a single woman who's heterosexual and is having sexual fantasies and is tempted to do those, to engage or to let their mind go in that direction. The very thoughts are sinful thoughts.

But I want to make this as clear as I can. If you are same sex attracted and say no to those attractions, by God's grace, live in self-denial and are pursued and are pursuing holiness, you are not the perpetual state of sin, because by your fallen nature or by life process, you are same sex attracted. If the very fact that you're same sex attracted means that you're in perpetual sin, then there'd be no hope. And the idea that you yourself are an abomination, then that would be true. But that is not what the gospel says, not what the word says. What is called detestable, abominable in God's sight is the action, is the engaging in these things, even in a loving, committed relationship. It is the engaging in these things that is sinful and wrong in God's sight and for which Jesus died like he died for billions of other sins. So same sex attraction is a sinful attraction.

But if you were saying no to that, you were saying no to sin and yes to God. You look, if if I'm physically hungry, I'm fasting and I'm physically hungry and my body wants to eat. That is a fleshly desire. That is an earthly desire. It's not a spiritual desire, but I'm saying no to it and honoring God with my body. Therefore, I am in a state of consecration and fasting in the same way. All of you who are same sex attracted and say no to that. I'm not sure about sexual attraction, romantic attraction.

Like a heterosexual would experience, except for someone of the same sex. The fact that you're saying no and honoring God, that is so incredibly commendable. That is a battle that you're fighting that very few of us fight. That is something that should call for the church to stand with you and hold your hands up rather than make you feel bad that fundamentally you yourself and your very nature are in constant rebutting against God.

Know if you've been washed with the blood of Jesus, if you've truly asked for forgiveness and mercy, and confess Jesus as your Lord and you're seeking to honor him with your body, with your mind, with your heart and your life. And we're standing with you. We're cheering you on. We are commending you because all of society and so much of the compromised church is against you and the polls are there.

We're standing with you and saying you can have a rich, beautiful, glorious life in Jesus. All right. Come back and take some of your calls. And I got some wild news to share with you as well. Don't go anywhere.

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Michael Brown, delighted to be with you. Eight, six, six, three, four truth. I'm going to go to the phones momentarily and then look at my list here.

Yeah, going to get into some news related items, give you some updates of interest. So I mentioned yesterday that we've got the copies of my new book almost a month before it's out for the general public. Why so many Christians have left the faith. And here we respond to the question of deconstructing. So many Christians saying we're deconstructing. We no longer believe what we used to believe.

And I have a whole chapter in the book. If gay is good, then the church is bad. And the reason that I put this in is because a younger generation has gone up, grown up thinking very, very differently about same sex relations, attractions and things like that. I've mentioned this to you many times, but a Gallup poll in 2021 indicated that people from my generation, baby boomers, baby boomers, it was about two point eight percent of our generation living today identified as someone the LGBTQ plus spectrum.

If you go to the generation before ours, it's even less than that. But when you fast forward to Gen Z, Barna found that 21 percent of Gen Z young people identified as someone the LGBTQ plus spectrum, even if only a small percentage were actively engaged in same sex relationships. There was the identifying with this, identifying as queer, identifying as bi, identifying as trans. It was part of the indoctrination of the culture. It was part of the showing solidarity with their friends.

It was part of the the rebelling against the status quo. George Barna, Christian pollster, did a poll as well in 2021 and found that 40 percent of Gen Z young people identified as someone the LGBTQ plus spectrum. So if if they get a lot of gay identifying friends by identifying friends, trans identifying friends, queer identifying friends, if this is cool, if this is neat, if this is in, if this is trending, if this is the stream that the young people are in, then the church that says these things are wrong, that the church is evil. The church is bad. The church is hitting people over the head with the Bible.

It's used in the so-called clobber passages to hurt these good people. It's it's being hateful, whereas all these people want is love. Love is love and love wins and I have the right to marry the one I love.

Even President Obama, after the Obergefell decision in 2015, tweeted out love wins. And that's what it's about. So it's really important we recognize the shift in culture, a radical, dramatic shift, the most dramatic we've ever had, to my knowledge, in our culture and in the ideological view in the shortest period of time.

It's been extraordinary to see. So we've got to be sensitive to this issue. So in the book, I really I give you an idea of how things have shifted. But look at polling. Look at look at factual things.

Look at shifts in perception and then say how we have to address this. But we have to demonstrate the love of God, friends. We have to demonstrate the love of God.

I've often said, if you cut us, we should bleed love. The same sex couple comes into our church. They should meet be greeted with great love with people to take a generous interest in the lives of a man comes in carrying a Bible, wearing a dress, which is going to happen. Maybe not your church, but it's happening. Others come in and and take a genuine interest in the person.

Spend time with them, reach out to them. And then if they claim to be Christians, then you dig deeper. OK, let's see what the word says. And here's what we teach in our church. And then you go from there. And then you go from there if they don't know the Lord at all. Well, then you reach like reach them like any other person doesn't know the Lord.

You don't major on this issue or that issue. You major on bringing them to the Lord and to right relationship with God. And then then at that point, either the change is going to come automatically because of their relationship with God or you're going to have to disciple them to see or they won't be at home or welcome in your midst.

One of those things is going to happen. It's also important that we don't move an inch from what scripture says, not by yelling at people, not by hitting them over the head with scripture versus not not by a self righteous display. Do we not have enough scandals in our own midst as heterosexual Christians? Do we not have enough failings?

Do we not have enough no fault divorces? Do we not have enough pornography in the pew and on and on? So we come with humility, recognizing we're all saved by grace, but we don't move an inch when scripture says so. That chapter in the book, as you get the book, make sure you look at it in conjunction with what we're saying and to get your signed, numbered copies. This is collector's edition. You're donating to our ministry. You're getting the book, and we're specially marking this for you. So the first few hundred copies, we number them, and then I sign them to by name, put a scripture reference in for you inside.

It personally have the joy of doing it. The books get all stacked up and then I come in and and one of my coworkers hands me the books and gives me the names and we sign them and just a joy to do it. So here's how you get your copy. Call 800-538-5275 just for the book, signed, numbered, and we'll get it out to you in advance of it being released to the public. 800-538-5275 or 800-538-5SK. Go ahead and order as many copies as you want.

Maybe get one for yourself, one for your pastor, because it'll be super helpful, super productive. Not just here's the problem, but here are the solutions. And again, if we don't have understanding, if we just look at things and why is this a terrible thing?

I don't know how to do that. Then we're not going to help anyone in any walk of life. And one pastor said some years ago, my generation, older generation, we hear the word homosexuality. We think issues. The younger generation hears that they think people and we're dealing with issues and aggressive agenda in the society. And we're dealing with people, people created in the image of God, fallen like the rest of us and for whom Jesus died and for whom there is hope of a beautiful, wonderful, blessed, fruitful life in God, an overflowing life in God. And I know plenty of X gays and even now an increasing number of X trans.

They're out there and they're thriving in the Lord. All right. So you can also go online to our website, AskDrBrown.org.

AskDrBrown.org. Just click on store and order the numbered signed copies. Again, only through our ministry can you get them that way. All right. With that, we are going to go to the phones. Hang on. I just got to move a paper out of the way here. And we start with Steve in Ohio.

Welcome to the line of fire. Are you there? All right.

Steve's gone, but his question, which I'm going to put up anyway. What is your view of a person with both sexual organs? So there are various categories androgynous androgynous under a heading of intersex. There are many different things. There could be someone born with ambiguous sexual organs or dual sexual organs. So what do you do in a case like that?

It's less than one percent of the population, but still that one percent some of you are listening right now. You are precious in God's sight and created in his image. But that's another part of the fall of man. There are flaws to our bodies in the way that they work. So it should be looked at like any disability. In other words, you don't build a doctrine on it. You don't rearrange life based on it. So, for example, if you had a child in a school that was blind, you don't teach everyone in the school to to use Braille.

You try to help that child and accommodate that child as best as you can. So in the same way, we recognize this as a disability in the past. Doctors thought it was easier if you had dual genitalia or ambiguous to just make the child look male and that they would just grow up however you raised them.

But they found out in some of the cases that wasn't right. It was actually a girl. And now they made the girl to look like a boy and it wasn't right. So what as I understand that I want to speak with sensitivity here as someone who can't relate to this personally, as most of us can't relate to it personally. As sensitively as I can say this, what I understand is best to do is allow the child to begin to grow and develop. We're not talking about someone that's clearly biological male, clearly biological female, both by queer biology and by DNA.

We're not talking about that. We're saying maybe there's some ambiguity in the chromosome. There's a chromosomal disorder. There's a biological disorder. The best thing to do is to allow the child to begin to grow and develop. And then from there, you can see how the child is developing and then get the appropriate surgery, if possible, to make modifications. This is totally different from someone who is convinced that they are a boy on the inside, even though they are biologically and chromosomally female know that that person we help from the inside out.

We help them renew their heart and their mind to be in conformity with biological and chromosomal reality. But there are cases where there are ambiguities, and this is the best way to deal with it. Well, I think I've got time to try to take another call. Jim in Raleigh, North Carolina, welcome to the line of fire. Yes, I had a I have a two. Hello.

And I'm here. Go ahead. OK, yes, I have a two part question. One is, do you believe it's simple for it to be for a same sex marriage? And the second one is, do you believe it's simple to marry, divorce and remarry?

Ah, so no question whatsoever that same sex marriage is sinful, it is never right or blessed in God's sight, no matter how much the people love each other or profess love for God, which they may feel deeply, it's always wrong. I do believe there are cases where there is the possibility of remarriage after divorce. Some of my colleagues say that no scripture indicates as long as the spouse is still living, say Romans seven, that no matter what the marriage is, that no matter what the the person did, in other words, a man could commit adultery five times. He could be violent towards his wife. He divorces her. He remarries someone else that she is not free to remarry.

As long as he's still alive. I respect that view, sir. But that's not my view itself. I do believe that Matthew five, Matthew 19 do provide an exception clause for sexual immorality that was also recognized Jewish teaching at that time. And I do believe Paul in First Corinthians seven, when he's talking about a believer married to an unbeliever, maybe they're both unbelievers, one gets saved. Now, the unbeliever, the unbeliever leaves. So the unbeliever wants out of the marriage.

They leave. Maybe they go marry someone else. Paul says that the believer is not bound in such cases. It is language that elsewhere is used in terms of legal binding with a marriage. So I understand that there could be remarriage on the other side. So we do our best to reconcile.

But I do believe there are cases where there can be remarriage after divorce, even while the other spouse is living. But everyone's got to work that out for themselves scripturally, because that's a major issue. All right, thank you, sir, for the call. All right. We're going to dig into some things that are going to be pretty eye opening for you. It's six, six, three, four truth. If you would like to weigh in, by the way, by the way, we've in the past taught a lot about the divorce issue.

It's such an important question, such a major question. And people ask me, can I do this or not, Dr. Braun, what's your advice? And I really encourage people on those type of decisions, which are so life critical to sit with their their local leader, pastor, assuming they're in a healthy congregation to work these things through. And then if they feel that they're free to remarried just to be convinced before God based on scripture, not by someone else's advice, because this is something you live with and you need to know for sure about decisions that you are making. And I appreciate those that have different views on this subject.

All right. So I was talking to students at Christ for the Nations yesterday on the subject demons deliverance. Deliverance is very prevalent again. And a lot of charismatic Christian circles were hearing more and more talk about it. And I was saying that I had personally believed for for years now that Satan is going to get much more overt in what he does in our society. It's going to be much more open.

It's going to be much more out there, less hidden. So if if you go to a country in Africa and you're ministering the gospel, maybe a large crowd of thousands of people, you're preaching the gospel, the Holy Spirit starts moving. It's not unusual to see people having demonic manifestation.

I mean, convulsing, screaming, shaking, different things, foaming at the mouth. And then people will will take them out to the side and minister to them. And they get set free.

And the next day, they're testifying how Jesus delivered them. And you tend not to see that in our American society as much. You see people doing things that are very demonic and evil and wrong, but you don't tend to see some of that outward manifestation as much. And I said, I personally expected in the days to come. I said this yesterday morning.

So Monday morning at CFNI, I said, I personally expect in the days to come that we're going to be seeing a lot more of this type of stuff just getting manifest and open and out in the society and Satan being less veiled and hidden. And I mentioned to the students that back in the late 60s, early 70s, there was a radical feminist group that had the acronym W.I.T.C.H., which stood for Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell. That was actually their name.

Obviously, they mentioned on a certain level and another level, it may have been tongue in cheek. They would put hexes on Wall Street or on President Nixon and things like that. So they were quite extreme, radical. But most groups don't come out and tell you, hey, we are an international terrorist conspiracy from hell.

They don't just come out in your face. Even if you think of those seeking to change the world, say gay activists. In the earlier days, it was we're here, we're queer, get used to it, in your face, overt and as extreme and depraved looking as possible.

And then gay strategists said that's actually not working. The better way to change things is to basically say we're just like the neighbor next door, even if it's a little exaggeration there. So, you know, we're just our lives exactly the same as your lives and like the neighbor next door and to kind of change people's perspectives. And obviously, the truth is somewhere in between those those two extremes.

In any case, in any case, I said I expect to see things get more and more overt. And then I get back to to my room on campus at the school here. I get back to my room and I'm looking at my computer, looking at some different things, and I'm seeing these headlines coming in because I hadn't seen the morning news.

I'd gotten up, prayed, then gone and taught. So I hadn't looked at news and I certainly didn't see the Grammys. I wasn't even conscious that the Grammys were on Sunday and I don't follow it. And here you have a report of a song called Unholy.

The song itself is a big hit already. Unholy. And by the way, there are songs with plenty worse lyrics than Unholy.

I looked at the lyrics to the song, but it's overt, unholy. And the main performer, Sam Smith, who identifies as non-binary. So he says he doesn't fit on the the male female spectrum. And then Kim Petras, who identifies as transgender.

So biological male identifying as female. You had them performing the song unholy with hellish flames in the backdrop, with with Sam Smith having a hat with horns coming out, satanic horns with drag queens and sexual perverse themes performing. Could you have been any more overt?

Could you say, well, I just exaggerated nobody. You're you're talking about a public display that is this openly satanic and violating God's plan for humanity in terms of male female as shouting this loudly as you can shout it on public TV. And it's a big hit. Wow. They nailed it.

You're talking about something hellish. Well, I got a text from Becca Shay. She's a contemporary Messianic Jewish gospel artist, and she's taken some songs and she has changed the lyrics and made them into gospel based lyrics. And she has a she has a video for those watching on YouTube. We put the the link up for you.

I've got an article coming out tomorrow and the article will have a link to this as well. It's basically saying if unholy was a Christian song, it starts out with the words who Yavo, which in Hebrew is he's coming. So it's God is coming.

Jesus, Yeshua is coming. So I can't play the whole thing on the broadcast here. It's her video. But she said, by all means, play on the show and link to it.

She sent it to me. So this this is great. This is great.

I want to play the first minute something. So let's take a listen to Becca Shay making unholy into a holy song. You're worthy to be married to quit, like in this world, it just has to have the truth.

No one could love you more than the way God loves you. Don't you don't you boy? Don't you know all of heaven is watching angels always bring back the places you should be.

If only you know how to keep your vision clean. Oh, you should know how to stop and go do something holy. He'll be back here. He's coming soon.

So stop being a fool. You should go now. Get ready. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

He's coming back. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

For a fireman, just who you should know. All right. Picket, say you say, I've got to see that whole video.

So just go on YouTube and type in a name, Becca Shay, BC, B, E, C, K, A, H, and then S, H, A, E, Becca Shay. And you'll find you'll find her version of unholy. Yeah, that's that's the way to do it.

And yes, he's coming back. And yes, there is judgment and no, it's no game. So I don't know how deeply the people performing or the Grammys want it to be overtly satanic in terms of that's who we are. Or was it more a matter of let's just mess with people and do this radical thing either way, either way? It's the same overall effect. Either way, it's the same overall message.

And it was just striking to me. I talked about it yesterday morning about Satan being more overt coming out of hiding in that regard, not trying to disguise things. You know, many culture like that, that they start disguising things. Oh, no, we teach this.

Oh, no, we believe that. And then when they get you in deep enough and you've been thoroughly brainwashed and indoctrinated, they tell you the rest of who they are and what they really believe. That's why when you're debating some of these groups, you try to bring up the extreme stuff right off the start.

So people realize, hey, this is not where we want to go. Look, in the same way I look, I fully understand that there are heterosexual people who are depraved and who got into that thought, that is awesome. And there are gay people watching thinking that is gross. I said, I understand I'm not making a generalization here, but I can tell you this. Many Americans who are sympathetic to same sex relations and saying, hey, I don't want to be bigoted and hateful. And if people love each other, what's what's that?

My business in terms of what they do or how they do it, it's fine. And they can be good parents like anybody else. And they wanted to be tolerant, loving. They didn't sign up for drag queens wearing satanic horns, reading to toddlers in libraries or performing in churches and and shaking their hips and swiveling. And they didn't sign up for that around little children. They didn't sign up for a 15 year old biological boy identifying as a girl and sharing a locker room and bathroom with their 15 year old daughter. They didn't sign up for that.

I mean, I know for a fact I've interacted with some people. It was a very liberal school board in the city that I live near. And we were there at a meeting. And and one of the school board members switched his vote liberal, pro gay, all that said, oh, no, I don't I don't want my wife and daughter in a bathroom with a biological male. Didn't realize some of the implications. So as things keep going to their further extremes, where even gender realities are denied and then many, many other things happen in our society, it's going to get clearer and clearer, which means let our light shine more brightly here.

Here, Sam Smith, Kim Petras, for whom we pray, may they really come to know God's love and mercy and transformation, may they find repentance and new life in Jesus. They they're performing, they're doing what they're doing, shouting it out boldly, they're not ashamed. Why are we ashamed? Well, I don't want to be offensive in what I say. Well, tell people what you believe.

Tell people what you hold to be clear. Yeah, there are some matters where you say, yeah, well, there's a debate here. Some say this, some say that. And there are different viewpoints on these things. I get it.

I understand it. There are plenty of things you'll ask me about. I'll say, well, it's a difficult issue. You know, end time issue, a theological issue or things or interpretation of reverse. Some scholars say this, some this. We're talking about things that are not life defining and foundational in a doctrinal way. Yeah, there's some debate about various issues, but there are other things.

Most of the problems is black and white clear. It's yes and no. It's life and death.

It's heaven, hell, it's God or devil. So while the world is shouting things out loudly, clearly without shame for many of our pulpits, many of us individuals want to offend someone. Well, you're going to hurt them by not telling the truth.

Remember the Thomas Sowell quote, and I may not have it exactly right. But if you love people, you tell them what they need to hear. If you care about other people, you tell them what they need to hear. If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear. Would you go to a doctor and knowing that the doctor doesn't want to hurt your feelings, nicest doctor in the world. So sweet and compassionate and caring. But they don't tell you that you've got a serious disease and if you don't treat it now, you're going to die.

Better that they rock your world. Better that they they say things that hurt you. Over the decades, when Nancy used to talk to me about my weight, when I was heavy or other things, if I was just pushing too hard in life or if I wrote something and she didn't agree with it, it wasn't to hurt me, it was to help me.

Hey, hon, take a look at this chapter. Tell me what you think. I don't like it. Well, it hurt my feelings. Well, she's not concerned about my feelings. She wants me to help people and minister to them in my writing. So I've had to say, OK, this is not about me.

This is about helping people. So the same way pastors, leaders don't dance around issues. In the end, in the end, everybody's going to be upset. In the end, everybody's going to be upset. More to come. Got another video clip to pray for you.

Stay right here. Three for truth. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Thanks, friends, for joining us on the line of fire. Hey, I want to give you an update on my workout yesterday. I told you that right after radio, I was going to take my Triveda supplements, nitric oxide that helps with blood flow and oxygen and myo health amino acids. That's for protein. It's a protein substitute. So you help as you're especially getting older muscle development works against atrophy, various other things.

So I've been using these before my workouts to supplement my healthy lifestyle and otherwise my exercising. So I hit the workout yesterday and we had about 15, 16 folks show up. So we did a team thing where everyone would do the same thing. But as soon as one person finished one part, the next would join in. And we total team.

I don't I don't think we ever took kept track of all the time. But anyway, the workout. So I went first just to kind of set the pace and show the way that the workout was a 500 meter row.

Then you jumped off that at hesitation. You did 20 push ups, jumped off that, ran over to a station where you pull yourself up and do 40 knee lifts, ran over from that grip. 15 pound weights and did 60 curls, jumped off for that, took 10 pound weights into what are called flies, the shoulder exercise. 80 of those.

Everything went up by 20. Then 100 jumping jacks. Then for fun, we doubled the last 200 crunches. So I ran through it a couple of times, cut my breath, but pushed through and nobody quit, nobody quit. But but yeah, I think I think I did the best pace over all time. Overall, the funny thing was we were done.

We were done. I was ready to do another workout. We were laughing about I was just energized. Then we started doing planks. So, you know, side plank, left plank, right plank, different planks and quoting scripture to each other.

They're asking me to quote in Hebrew. And we just had a blast in it. You know, great spirit didn't quit.

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All right. A couple of weeks ago, I gave you an update from the island of Malta about Matthew Grech, G-R-E-C-H. Same last name as one of our grads, a champion on the front lines, preaching the gospel to the Muslim community in the Middle East. And our grad knows Matthew personally, spent time with them, said he's a real disciple. Matthew gets arrested. He gets interrogated. He's now in court cases because he publicly said on TV that Jesus changed his life and he's no longer homosexual. What? You cannot say that. That's interesting. Conversion therapy.

That's against the law in Malta. You say you're exaggerating. No, no, this is reality. So I got an update from our grad with Matthew sharing what's going on. I love it. There's joy. There's confidence.

He's not backing down. But this is an outrage. And by God's grace, I'm believing this is going to help turn the tide against these draconian laws that are being passed around the world and are threatened to be passed in America as well.

They're already passed in a bunch of states for minors, but for people of all ages. Let's listen to what Matthew had to say. Hey, friends and supporters all across the world, I just wanted to drop by to give you an update on what happened yesterday at the criminal court regarding this case that we are co-accused in regarding so-called conversion practices and allegations of advertising such practices. So there is another hearing set for the 9th of June. So there's, you know, good legal representation on the defense side of things. It's kind of getting heated a little bit because this thing touches on freedom of press, but also also, you know, freedom of religion, conscience, expression.

I mean, a bunch of fundamental freedoms that most people are very passionate and zealous about, of course. And so the case is expected to just build up leading up to the 9th of June where the witnesses will be heard. And there are quite a few witnesses apparently lined up for this case. So let's keep praying. Let's keep fighting to the end.

This disgusting, woke agenda that we've very much had enough of. Things are going to turn around. Things are not going to be the same ever again because the Lord is with us and we're not going to allow the enemy to have all this ground in our nations, in our cities. We are the hope of this world. We are the light of this world.

That's what Jesus said. We are the salt of the earth and we're not going to lose our flavor. We're going to be faithful with the message that God entrusted us with. So let's keep praying, guys. Let's keep being active. Let's keep being vocal and very much a part of the solution in our nations and in our environments everywhere. God bless you and thank you for standing with us and being watchful in the spirit. Much love from Malta.

What what a wonderful testimony here. He's facing criminal charges. He could go to jail.

He could have to pay a fine under law in Malta. And here he is smiling, saying, We're not backing down. Of course. What's he going to say? Oh, Jesus didn't change my life. I'm lying about my testimony. I'm going to deny the goodness and the power of God because I'm afraid of a court case and ridiculous law. And no one is saying, Oh, you believe your kids should be kidnapped and put in a gay therapy camp? No one is kidnapping kids and put in a gay therapy camp.

And you're talking about adults who said, I want to get to the root of my same sex attraction and and get help or someone through the gospel. It's transformed. Pastors sits with them, ministers to them. They're transformed.

Jesus just works in their lives. We're going to back away from that. No, no. This needs to be faced down. And this needs to be changed radically, dramatically.

Dramatically and quickly. And for minors, absolutely for minors who say, I want help. I'm not happy with same sex attraction. I'm not happy being tormented like I'm in the wrong body. I want help from the inside out. And parents say, great, let's get you help. The fact that it's illegal, that is immoral.

Immoral to make it illegal for someone saying, I would like help. So good, good job, Matthew. We should pray for him because he'll be under increasing attack. May God bring about international change through cases just like this.

All right. I want to bring you to an article I said I was going to share with you yesterday, and I just lost track of it over the course of the show. A few weeks ago, we talked about we played a clip of a woman being arrested in England, a pro-life activist for standing in front of an abortion clinic and praying silently. She said, please say, were you praying? Well, I may have been in my head. Well, when she was brought in, even though the guy's being polite to the police officer, she was interrogated.

They showed her pictures. Were you praying at this time? Think of this. It's utterly outrageous. I'm not making any of this up. This is why we've been shouting from the rooftops for years, because we must awaken the nation to these realities, friends. That's where we're on the air.

One of many reasons. So here's an article February 6th. So yesterday on Fox, charges dropped against UK woman for silent prayer outside abortion clinic, though she still vows legal fight. UK's Crown Prosecution Service may bring additional charges against Isabel Vaughan Spruce. UK authorities have dropped charges against a woman who was arrested for silently praying outside an abortion clinic in December, but warned she may face additional charges. Last December, Isabel Vaughan Spruce, the director of the UK March for Life, was standing near the B. P. A. S. Robert Clinic in Kings Norton, Birmingham, when police approached after an onlooker complained she might be praying outside the abortion facility. The crime once Bruce was standing in an area under a public squares protection order, which establishes a safe zone around abortion clinics and prohibits engaging in any act of approval. Disapproval, including praying. What an outrage of human freedoms. You can't stand in front of an abortion clinic and pray silently. And you can't say, hey, if you'd like help, if you want any other alternative, not yelling at people, not screaming at them. If you'd like to know about alternatives, we're here to help.

What kind of society does this? Despite the dropped charges, the Crown Prosecution Service has warned Vaughan Spruce charges may well start again in the near future. According to a report by a launch defending Freedom UK. This is a warning prosecutors can issue when they expect that further evidence will be received. Oh, maybe they read her mind, get further evidence, get a clear answer on what the silent prayer near abortion clinics is unlawful.

Vaughan Spruce says she will now be seeking a clear verdict in court. The pro-life pro-life activists that she intends to continue supporting women seeking alternatives to abortion. Quote, It's important to me that I continue my vital work in supporting women who'd like to avoid abortion if they only had some help and whether to do so, it's vital that I have clarity as to my legal status. Many of us need an answer as to whether it's still lawful to pray silently in our own heads. That's why I'll be pursuing a verdict regarding my charges in court. She said, It can't be right that I was arrested and made a criminal only for praying in my head on a public street.

So-called buffer zone legislation will result in so many more people like me doing good and legal activities like offering charitable support, charitable support to women in crisis, pregnancies or simply praying in their heads, being treated like criminals and even facing court. May God awaken the church in the UK to stand. God awaken the church in America to stand. Friends, these are life and death issues. May God give you grace and courage and keep listening, friends. We will help infuse you with faith and truth and courage every day. Right here on the line of fire. Another program powered by the Truth Network.