Thoughts on Andy Stanley, Al Mohler, and the Bible; and Standing up for the Voiceless

Is it true that Andy Stanley is compromising authority of Scripture is to be misunderstood stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, Andy Stanley and Albert Mohler are two of the most influential Christian voices in the nation today and there is a difference of opinion between them in terms of comments made by Andy Stanley regarding the authority of Scripture or how we should approach preaching the gospel starting the Scripture or moving to Scripture. Dr. Moeller feels that it is an undermining approach that will lead people away from the inerrancy of Scripture professor Scott McKnight and New Testament scholar has weighed in affirming Andy Stanley's approach would have a constructive conversation about it today. Right here on modifier no intent to bash or attack.

My intent is to think through some important issues get involved in the conversation by calling 866-34-TRUTH it's 866-348-7884. All right, let me tell you story first right and then will will unpack this and I just texted or direct message Pastor Stanley moments before the show he got right back to me which I appreciate. So I got a direct quote from him. In response to a question I posed to him as well but TL Osborn with the Lord now was a powerful missionary evangelist for many decades as a healing evangelist preach the gospel.

Pray for the sick and saw many people come to faith in Jesus around the world. TL Osborn says that when his wife Daisy went to India as young missionaries. He ended up coming home almost dying of typhoid fever having to support himself walking with two sticks or contains very very weak and was after that that he encountered God's power to heal the sick, and began to understand the importance of preaching the gospel in the power of the spirit. While TL Osborn said that when he was in India he met Muslims.

They were very devout fact, they prayed five times a day. He didn't pray five distinct times a day and when he preached to them.

He took out his Bible.

This is God's word and he probably had a lovely addition of the Bible, maybe even leather bound. Maybe even gold edged notes he took out his holy book.

This is the Bible God's word, the Muslims took out their Koran. Maybe it was lovely leather bound, gold edged could be. They took out their holy book. This is no this is the word of God said no. The Bible is the word of God. They said no. The Koran is the word of God.

He ended up getting very sick and coming home defeated and discouraged before having several life-changing encounters with the Lord, which then led him to preach the gospel of healing and miracles. The same Jesus who died for our sins and rose from the dead is alive and well today touching people and then as they were touched by God's truth and power. They looked to the invisible unseen God and were born again and were transformed and then came to know that the Bible was the word of God. In other words, they didn't come to know that the Bible was the word of God because he had better intellectual proofs for and you know me, I'm all for apologetics. I'm all for helping people understand that the Bible is God's Word and God's truth. I'm all for that. I'm all for answering the difficult questions, all for the defense of the faith, and I know people that through intellectual argumentation had their hearts and minds open so then they listen to the message of the Scriptures and were subsequently born again. However, it is true that most of us encounter the Lord and through that encounter with the Lord we come to know the Bible is true. Andy Stanley recently said that he wants to put point people more than Jesus and the resurrection into the Scriptures. What he means by that was a misunderstood. It's just a matter of order will take it up today. I think you be instructed to help. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown say should we say the Bible tells me so. Or does that mean that we have to defend all of the Bible.

Can we share the gospel with someone and they begin to bring up well. Hopefully, this universal flood in science is against it.

Well, I don't think there is historical evidence for the Exodus from Egypt well, you know, I know I don't know about all the stories in the Bible.

And what about the command to kill the Canaanites and how could that be right do we have to defend the Bible before we can preach to people or do we tell them. Listen, I want to talk about Jesus and his death and resurrection in NY. I believe the eyewitness accounts and then get them to accept the rest of the Bible.

Is there a proper order or priority. Andy Stanley's emphasis is wanting to help those who were in the faith and phone away from the faith or those who have serious questions about the Bible and there therefore stay away from the faith and the question is do we have to defend the entire Bible before before we can rightly address the preaching of the gospel to the two go hand-in-hand. Do we say hey Jesus, the apostles were from the Scriptures that was their foundation. That's were we have to start they affirm what we call the Old Testament. That's were we have to start if we don't put our trust in the biblical record then how do we know which Jesus is the real Jesus all kinds of people of all kinds of experiences. How do we know which experiences real. We tested by the Scripture. But how I know the Bible is true. These are fair questions. I'm going to try to lay out the controversy a little more clearly. But first I want to go to an article from professor Scott McKnight respected New Testament scholar and I believe a theological advisor to Andy Stanley.

I know he was.

I imagine he still is.

He has an article in the beginning of the gospel, Al Mohler versus Andy Stanley on his Paseo's blog which is Jesus Creed and I want to read the beginning and the end of his article that I want a really direct quote from Andy Stanley just sent to me moments ago by Pastor Stanley and then I want to read some of Al Mohler's critique and then I want to get to Andy Stanley's lengthy response really think this through together. It's important we do because the Bible is under more assault today than it's been for generations in America. There were times in our history where the Bible was much more respected with the Scriptures were revered where they were taught in the schools for little children to learn in public education where the founding fathers, even those that were not as religious would have had a healthy respect for the Scriptures when a situation where on the one hand, the Bible is still tremendously relevant.

Why what you got. Even liberals trying to show that there there doing what the Bible says you've got liberal professing Christians will say look were misinterpreting the Bible when it comes to abortion when it comes to homosexual practice. The conservatives are wrong there.

Like the Pharisees of old, that's who they are there.

The legalists and the hypocrites, but but if the Bible was an important why are they quoting the refractor quoting it indicates it still has importance in their world right that's positive. On the other hand, more and more Americans are dropping out of Christian identification saying they have no religious affiliation. Many of them are questioning the authority of Scripture will restart. How do we reach them effectively. Scott McKnight writes this before the apostles during the period of the apostles and before there were written records before the Gospels were written during the time of the apostles writing and yet, before there was anything like in Canada. We now call the New Testament before this and during this, the gospel is alive and well, writes Prof. McKnight in the gospel is being preached and taught, and people being safe. Salvation depends entirely on the truth of the gospel. What made that gospel means of redemption was the truth of the gospel, not the written record of it because Jesus was God's son because Jesus died for redemption because Jesus was raised from the dead, and because he was raised to rule over all creation. The gospel is true. To be saved in the Christian sense is to affirm the truth of who Jesus is to engage with them from the heart to accept what he has accomplished.

Prof. McKnight writes I say these things because the scuffle, the southern Baptist dignitary seem to want to find within the Stanley that's his perspective, I would say in defense of the southern Baptist leaders that Pastor Stanley being one of the most influential pastors in the world carries a lot of weight. Therefore what he says trickles down very quickly and often in diluted and distorted form. Therefore something is said, that seems inaccurate run biblical or misleading or dangerous want to be quick to address it. Prof. McKnight writes in the Stanley put the emphasis on the truth of the gospel, not the records of the truth which is to say he believes we do not first affirm Scripture in its totality, but instead we first affirm the truth of Jesus and his resurrection, and the question is the theological priority of St. Jesus loves me because the Bible tells me so.

He seems to me at least want to say God loves us.

Jesus loves us and that is why the Bible tells us so now I want to come to the end of Prof. McKnight's article some skipping all the way to the end. He writes this in the beginning was the gospel in the New Testament comes into existence because of that gospel.

Yes, we know that gospel through the New Testament now you might say exactly but now that we have the New Testament. That's our starting point.

And through that we proclaim Jesus and if anyone questions the authority of Scripture be an older New Testament in our Canon then ultimately they will question the authority of Jesus. Therefore, we must start with the defense of Scripture that would be a counter argument now.

A few weeks ago Darrell Bock.

Prof. doubt about another top New Testament scholar was on my radio show and he talked about the differing perception of Scripture through the generations.

He said in the past.

In America you could say it's true because it's in the Bible the words.

The Bible had authority. God's word have authority the Scriptures were associated with being God's word. It's true because the Bible says so.

It's true because it's in the Bible. Prof. boxes today. We have to say it's in the Bible because it's true. In other words, we have a different starting point. If you think of a preaching in the book of acts, and Andy Stanley uses this as an example, if you think about Phillips preaching he starts in the book of acts where where his listeners were so if we look. For example, in acts chapter age acts chapter 8 is it says this now Philip went down to the city of Samaria and proclaimed to them the Messiah. All right. And then he said the Messiah is Jesus so he wanted them to know okay you have a faith expectation of the coming of the Messiah. This Messiah is Jesus for someone else.

They heard of Jesus, but don't know who he is. So the message is Jesus is the Messiah. So if someone has heard of Jesus, but doesn't know fully who he is. You not say this is who Jesus is. If they're expecting the Messiah to say that Messiah you're expecting is Jesus.

I again I don't want to misrepresent Andy Stanley's position and a and I want to share some critiques of that position but his point would be if we are trying to reach those who are unchurched. If we are trying to reach those who have lost faith. This is the better way to do it and point to the reliability of the witnesses and through that we come to the reliability of Scripture.

So I asked him what he agree with the Darrell Bock statement in years past.

We used to be able to say it's true because it's in the Bible today. We need to say it's in the Bible because of it's true this is something some of what you are trying to say. Would you concur with this and into a fact and said this mostly with a smile. I will use the term the Bible when returned. Referring to anything authoritative. The reason is the Bible is 1/4 century construction, not the Scripture, the Bible, most of my critics that don't think that's a big deal. I do authority begins with events then moves to the testimony of the apostles and into the written documentation of the apostles. Every book on the canon agrees with that, I'm trying to focus people's attention on the events and the witnesses to the events around the resurrection. What one thinks of the Bible flows from that for culture. The issue is not with the Bible says it's what else the Bible says as soon as a pastor says. The Bible says secular people can say yes, but the Bible also says came over. Not for theologically astute people, but for people in general that could be very fine line to walk for most understand what Andy Stanley is saying point to what Scripture says point to the reality of what happened point to the truth of that. The question, of course, which Pastor Sammy knows that as it is at some point.

At some point the questions about the rest of the Scriptures will come up and and doesn't Peter and say computer one say yes, we heard the majestic voice on the Mount of Transfiguration, we saw Jesus transfigured, we had an experience that was undeniably God by the settling of the of the Scripture mean of the Hebrew Scriptures, meaning the Old Testament is referred to a today we have the testimony of God's word already written and and and we need to look to that is either oriented both as the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown God seen Angels and Demons but is there more to the unseen realm than that Scripture alludes to define counsel, sons of God. What is the unseen realm.

Understanding it, bring light to confusing passages help us understand Jesus's mission better ancient Israelites believed about the unseen realm yeah a really fascinating book. We featured it last week and continuing this week to feature Michael Heiser's book the unseen realm as a resource offer. If you miss the one hour interview we did last week. It was terrific out we spoke us as to biblical scholars, but in a way that was simple clear for everyone to understand. Just as Dr. Hodges book is written, you'll find the book fascinating. You'll find it controversial, find it eye-opening and were also packaging with it. My entire teaching series was 88 messages 12 hours total on angels, demons and deliverance which I think you'll find really really helpful. 866-3487 84 number to call to take advantage of the special resource offer. Go to the line of fire.org the line of fire.org you can also check out my latest articles and videos. There okay I I want to give to quick examples that Andy Stanley gives in a fairly lengthy article that came out a September 30 and outreach magazine.com why the Bible says so is not enough anymore and he uses these examples Peter preaching to Jews and Gentiles Paul preaching to Jews and Gentiles.

So Peter asked to preaching to Jews who believe the Bible is God's word so he constantly points back to Scripture experience of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Hey, that goes we can show you that in the Bible the death and resurrection of Jesus. We can show you that in the Bible when he speaks to Gentiles in acts 10, even though even though they may have been God fears and may have gone to the synagogue and had some familiarity with the Scriptures, said Peter just tells the story of what happened. Jesus death and resurrection. The coming of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit falls on the Gentiles there, but Peter didn't quote Scripture to them because Scripture did not assume authority to Mr. Bianchi's argument then if we look at Paul preaching of, for example. For example acts. The 13th chapter Paul preaching draws on Old Testament Scripture. Why because he's in the synagogue preaching to fellow Jews. When Paul's preaching to Gentiles in acts 17 he he quotes one of their poets and he talks about their religious interest in and and then says speaks authoritatively about God calling all men everywhere to repent a notice he doesn't quote Scripture to them because Scripture didn't have meaning.

So you start with where people are those for whom Scriptures may need to start their those who don't know anything you point them to Jesus who he did who he is what he did, how he rose from the dead, how we must be saved by him and then from there we say that's how you know the Bible is true that so you know the Bible is God's word, the eyewitnesses wrote it down so you go from that experience of faith to the foundation of Scripture.

And if in any way I'm not accurately representing Pastor Stanley.

You can read his article and outreach magazine.com again. It's entitled why the Bible says so is not enough and it's written together with Thomas Horrocks now before this came out responding to a message where Pastor Stanley said some of these things, in part, Dr. Al Mohler, respondent took strong exception. This was September 26 on Albert Mohler.com begins with the words Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so. This is a childish error. Evangelical Christianity is a big problems is an Stanley Annette problem is a reliance on the Bible is both unwarranted and unhelpful in a recent message limited Northpoint community church posted online.

Stanley identifies the evangelical impulse to turn to the Bible in our defense and presentation of Christianity is a huge blunder that must be corrected. So Dr. Moeller says that some years back. He took exception to other points that Pastor Stanley had made and thought he was going in the way of Protestant liberalism.

Andy Stanley says plainly the elephant. First, the elephant in the room.

I believe the Bible is without error and everything affirms. I believe with the Bible says is true is true.

He says that Dr. Norman Geisler Vermeer apologist and and one who's argued passionately for the inerrancy of Scripture contacted him and said yes. He understood what Andy Stanley was saying in his recent messages pester sensitive people just listen to one part of of of a six part message that her all of it and also sometimes and he's not precise he's he's sharing the views of others as if they were his own. In order to respond to them and that may not be clear so things need to be clarified in certain ways, but Andy Stanley concludes by saying this when you consider retooling in order to win some and save some are able to take a long hard look at everything you're currently doing through the eyes of the post-Christian. Are you ready to be a student rather than a critic but don't have time for tribes will have time for the petty disagreements that only those assorted social media circles understand or care about losing ground. The most counterproductive thing we can do is criticize and refuse to have one of us a commodity believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. So I need to know in light of what's at stake. In light of who was at stake. Perhaps that's all you need to know as well.

Obviously, Dr. Moeller takes issue with that and a fair question to ask is this what you speak of the bodily resurrection of Jesus, but which Jesus was he just a glorified man. Was he the eternal son of God, how my going to distinguish that is not going to be based on scriptural testimony. What if I believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus, but also of of many other deities and other religions and I believe that these are multiple paths to God would not now have to be challenged based on Scripture, and that would be some of Dr. Moeller's argument now I want to state some concluding things here and now and then again continue this conversation for another half hour to take your calls, as well as 866-348-7884, simply open things up. Late submissions on the table but I want to say this plainly, we must one way or another, unashamedly hold to everything Scripture teaches and not retreat from it with fear of how others would receive. I believe Dr. Moeller and Pastor Stanley would agree with that. Okay, but I often have concerns that we respond to the spirit of the age we respond to the mindset of the world and in doing so, we then back away from certain truths that would seem unpopular. One clear case being with homosexual issues and the redefining of marriage are only unashamed of the biblical testimony now how we lead someone to the Lord or help someone outside of the faith come to the right beliefs about God and Jesus in Scripture that's a separate question.

I just want to make sure they were starting with a place to live action. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown thank you much for joining us today on the line of fire about Andy Stanley Al Mohler in the battle for the authority of Scripture. 866-34-TRUTH 784 to join in the discussion and Al Mohler says this in the September 26 piece.

Let's be clear in the Stanley does not mean to deny the central truth claims of Christianity's message needs God, the Bible told me so. He affirms the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, but he does so undercutting our only means of knowing of Christ and his resurrection from the dead. The Bible existed directly without risk of misunderstanding this message, he stated, quote so you can listen really carefully and the reason is this perhaps you were taught as I was taught. Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so. That is where trouble began almost as that is where trouble began. What trouble and he still wants to hang onto that was one quote from a six part series. You need to listen to the whole message will be some tension until you hear all of the messages in that series, but I will continue to read what Dr. Moeller wrote stems apologetic concern is clear from the beginning of this message identifies the crisis of quality conversion as adults leave the church because they have outgrown the childlike faith in the longer believe he traces there. The conversions of the fact that their adult fact-based questions were met with only childish faith-based answers. He was on to say that the Bible told me so is one of the threads quote we hear in the conversion stories all the time never feeling for many, many, many of you who are losing faith or have lost faith affects especially the Christian faith. This is a bit of the part of your story later, he follows.

By dismissing the Bible says it, that settles it approach to Christianity. The problem with that is, this is Pastor Stanley of the Bible goes, so goes our faith and this is part of what Dr. Moeller is addressing going Pastor Stanley again if the Bible is the foundation of your faith is the problem. It's all or nothing. Christianity comes a fragile house of cards. Religion and Pastor Stanley states Moby is next to impossible to defend the entire Bible and he argues, he argues that Christianity quote made his greatest strides during the 282 years before the Bible even existed. Now I don't know if that quote is this explained or corrected anywhere else by Pastor Stanley. The idea that Christianity quote made its greatest strides during the 282 years before the Bible even existed. Does he mean before there was complete formal recognition of each book of the New Testament canon without dispute or does it. I've got a problem with that first as a Jew, unthinkable Bible course, the Bible existed at the Hebrew Scriptures at the Bible. The word says this was quoted to with authority by the apostles by issuing himself. The Scripture cannot be broken right and then it is not long as from within a generation or so of of the death and resurrection of Jesus, that some of the Gospels begin to circulate letters of Paul are circulating in and then early on because they are apostolic or or associated with the apostles.

They became recognized as authoritative, so you may not have had every book of the New Testament recognized as Scripture. But you certainly have much of the Scripture witness, but the bigger point would be that you ready had the Hebrew Scriptures and and many times when the Bible is being attacked. That's the point that's attacked the most Hebrew Scriptures, and that was what was agreed on and known to be Scripture, and that was in Scripture. Jesus was of the Messiah is a such thing as the Messiah that was in Scripture than the God of Israel is not the one true God. So obviously the way that that stated I would take exception to. But again, Andy Sampson is not denying the infallibility of Scripture.

He believes that everything the Bible affirms to teach his true so if the Bible is making a scientific statement and affirms to teach science or historical statement affirms to teach a history then he believes it's true but you can understand why Dr. Moeller has a problem with this is like the whole preacher of the crucifixion and resurrection. The size according to Scripture right that for cleansing the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown joining us on the modify years.

Here's my question.

Maybe get Pastor Stanley to answer this directly is been gracious to reply to be promptly when I've direct message to him. I'm I may take some of these things up in an article and pose the question for public discussion, let's say somebody loses their faith. The quote to convert or they've they've been outside the faith and they see no reason to believe the Scriptures or anything like that. They come to faith you're able to lead them to the Lord. The Holy Spirit deals with them convicts them of their sin makes them recognize their their need for a Savior.

They put their trust in Jesus and experience a radical and dramatic life transformation in a born-again all right now they begin to read the word more and more you tell you this is God's word. These are the Scriptures, they begin to read the word more and more and more, aren't they now going to have to deal with the same apologetics issues are, aren't they. They now going to have to deal with the same kinds of questions it. In other words, don't you come around full circle in the sloop 8663 freight 7884 Staten Island Frank. Welcome to the line of fire. Hello Michael X hey Frank, I bet you give a Catholic perspective yeah and I think will be helpful. I'm not really sure. Bailey position, but I got the gospel was preached also before the Scripture that the New Testament was written about the reports that the second vessel 15 whole plastic tradition which you have learned from us what to read, written or oral, so our friend Robert's agendas. I think you will report back to make the quote, not by scriptural charts, quote citations, all of the church fathers strengthened the war not just the written word, but the oral preached word of God. Going back to the beginning. Michael let me ask this question Frank in your mind is a Catholic. How do you see Scripture and tradition. If you saw a contradiction between the Scriptures and church traditions. You say there must be a resolution.

I just don't know it, or the Scriptures take preeminence of the traditions take preeminence how to how do you relate to a parent contradictions between the Scriptures and the traditions will Scriptures that the written description not take precedent 21 oral tradition of the written tradition on the same level of just the way our Lord preserves the written tradition of the Bible down to the search. Should I expect the same way he preserved the sacred oral tradition cannot contradict that you may be you may look like this contradiction. Michael but there really look that okay since you would you would deal with it the same way you deal with apparent contradictions in the Bible that there is that they are equally true. And then there's a resolution.

So that's how you deal with church tradition once it it it becomes authoritative church tradition is that is that your Canon well we have a problem with the current course you look at the accountant the cabinet Scripture with outright if it will way back. Careful approval and not created to a data Council of hippo, 393 and the Council of the third cottage in 393 9070 now in these counsel what Protestants call the Apocrypha.

The Catholic Church never referred to the cult of the deuterocanonical books.

The second candidate. Those books are all mentioned in article the problem is we went down after that for another may be over shortly over here with those books until the so-called Reformation and not those books were officially ejected from the Bible to be 1800 by the English and forward Bible and you're saying that they used to be in the way Bibles were printed say in 1650 or or 1700 that you have the Old Testament, New Testament and in in the in between heavy Apocrypha than those removed.

Of course, if you had Hebrew Bible, you wouldn't find them there and in the reformers and say hey were just going back to recognizing the canon of Scripture that was record that was recommended recognized by first century Jews. But I understand your points that the history are giving so your obvious obviously are trying to understand exactly Pastor Stanley saying and you have to having to sift it through through my point but through through my representation of it but you say is a Catholic that in your mind the ongoing witness of the church today ties back in with 2000 years of church tradition which ties back in the Scripture.

And it's basically a loop that can't be broken in and that's how the that's how we should relate to things but yeah I will acquire the failure correctly. Michael, I'm saying that sacred oral tradition which is been a part of Christianity.

From the beginning is on the same exact level at both of the verses as the written tradition and they even though people may say all this oral tradition of the church that not agree with the written tradition of this particular topic.

The word you use which I agree with apparent, it looks like that when you are the perfect victim borrowing will state it's always best to go with the teaching of the church. I can give you a quote. Listen to this environ day one 8980 book, it is proper by pointing out here the succession of bishops of the greatest most ancient church, multiple organize the room but to book or if the apostle Peter Paul church which is the tradition of the fate after having been with this church because of the purely origin, all churches must agree that is all the faithful of the whole world. And if that hurt that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic mission that the quote yeah and and Frank on yeah I just want I just want to jump in and in fairness to the other of the college as well and and in fairness to any Stanley Elmore.

This a whole other conversation that that that they were having all right also have a little bit of a hard time hearing with the connections I want to let you get out your main points which which again I seem to be going this direction.

Nina my response would be that the only thing that is ever quoted as Scripture. In the New Testament as it is written Scripture is something from the Hebrew Bible of the Apocrypha, etc. but I appreciate the call Frank in the conversation as always. So thank you for land and we can discuss Catholicism tradition another day but one look Frank of his position there, let's go to Shoreline, Washington Greg, welcome to the line of fire.

Michael, thanks for taking my call event appreciate how you interacted with the gentleman right before he obviously knew you got it. Background very respectful notice that I appreciate that I I don't have the entire subject down but I I from from what I've got to go in. I appreciate were anti-families going and all the reasons but when I came to Christ about almost 40 years ago and anointing about the Bible. I did have a Bible I would told hearing about the Bible but I see that God intervened in the lives of man and it was some time afterwards that I got a Bible and began to read about it and I guess I'm impacted by a couple things now. Having male I really enjoy reading the Bible, but I know admittedly there are errors in the Bible and give an example of what you can enter the sequences in the gospel are are obviously different sequence in the anointing at Bethany by Mary one and not mark it sets out this a heading of the rest of it. If that's the case, and I'm certain interrupted just over every coming up.

How do you know then if if you do see their errors as opposed to their apparent discrepancies that scholars seek to resolve which is a different way of saying it. If there errors.

How do you know that the overall story can be trusted. Have you had with your testimony is true. Overall, there are errors you know that's kind of a reasonable question, but little shortsighted ultimately and I hate to use the Bible to provide basis, but when you go back and relook at at at men like Noah, we look at men like Abraham, these men walk with God and have a Thomas Nelson and IVF have, how do we know they existed when I confess my point exactly is this data will continue under the celebrate file in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown yesterday. Not through scriptural arguments. Yeah, I heard the word preached to be Dan Knight through my friends and others. The Holy Spirit convicts me of my sin. The Lord open my heart and mind to respond to the truth of the gospel is radically transformed and because of that. I then came to know that the Bible was true, was God's word, however, if someone could demonstrate that the Bible was unreliable, that it was not God's word, then obviously that would call into question the reality of my experience in God right that makes sense doesn't.

That's why we take attacks on Scripture seriously. So just getting back to to Greg and Shoreline, Washington how how is it sir that we know the Jesus that was preached to you. If not for the witness in Scripture is the witness in Scripture is unreliable. Jesus says the Scriptures cannot be broken. It's unreliable then then how can we trust the rest of its testimony may be we were misled and our experience is that that would be a logical argument would not will yeah I think you know I I I have to think about that but II feel like it law that it and in the ribbon is because I know that men walk with God without the Bible as the Bible itself every primitive like yourself with the Bible as your note in the manner in which you are and I go clearly you would recognize that men were able to walk with God without a an IV in her back pocket so clearly possible to get how to how do you avoid deception. How do you avoid out in a avoid deception. They they were dealt with in ways that were not how many times how many times has God appeared to you in bodily form. How many times has it into churches which need to understand what's really really important. This is a big big take away right. How do we know that was what was spoken to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, how do we know that it was real. We know it was real because God himself acted in history and delivered to the Jewish people. The people of Israel should say, delivered them from Egypt and spoke on Mount Sinai and declared himself God of the universe. He triumphed over the other gods. The other powers he triumphed over all the forces of nature and revealed himself as God. Therefore air and then gave his word.

Everything that comes after that has to affirm that which came before. If it doesn't you throw it out if Jesus claimed to be the Messiah and violated the Torah and went against what was written. You then throw it out.

So God acted in history and gave his word that verified what came before because plenty of other people heard voices and had visions and they weren't true, and if and 20 people around the world today have visions and hear voices and those aren't true. So God acted in history and gave us the word, and now Jesus comes and fulfills Scripture.

Otherwise we wouldn't know that he was the Messiah. And then he points us back to that scriptural foundation and then we have the testimony of the eyewitnesses and then that gets written in the nets passed on to subsequent generations who weren't there to hear the first ones preach. So if in fact the Bible does contain errors that can that it intends to teach something and is found to be false, then everything has to be question.

We don't know that there ever was someone they Noah or Abraham or anything else but what we do know that there is air, and went to the gospel that you know that and I know that moment no one would. How many decades have you devoted to studying it in Greek and reading all the various manuscripts in my pointed and I haven't either by way of know those issues. There are apparent discrepancies that scholars have plausible answers for.

Nobody has announced that I've ever read about a minute so painfully obvious Michael that you go read the timing yourself about the development Bethany related to the triumphal entry look at it in any harmony and it's clearly and there. There are two separate dance right right, of course, of inscriptions for for decades is that as it seems you have and you take these things seriously, but I found many possible explanations many possible estimations to apparent discrepancies and where I don't have an answer.

I let it be unresolved until we get more information see that the problem is in and and and I met bureaucracy thinking thinking mandrake. The prime way we can continue this conversation at another day at Bud's again want to try to get to some of the callers but the long and short of it is that if the Bible can be question in terms of the events surrounding the death and resurrection of Jesus that is so central thing of the eyewitnesses got that stuff wrong. They can't be trusted. It is other stuff they got wrong and if if things that allegedly have regarding the Exodus never really happened that we know the God of Israel. He triumphed over the other gods, so it it does open things up and then to all kinds of issues that it ends up a matter of you know, hey, my feelings are different. II I'm looking at a different can in the canon of Christ and and I measure everything by love.

And this does assume loving and I've watched of watch people depart and slip it yet. That's why Peter writes we have the prophetic message is something completely reliable usually pay attention to is to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts to Greg thank you for the call. Check out Craig Blomberg's historical reliability of the Gospels is. This is one good book. If you haven't read it, we go to New York.

Tom welcome to modify our time is short, that wanted to weigh in the ground by mentioning that the whole Bible is true, it's Jesus in the Old Testament, it's Jesus in the New Testament the person would go to Janet chapter 3 verse 13.

It will bring you the ministry of the gospel and I will read it and I will put enmity between you and the woman in between your seed and her seed it shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel elected that mean to the individual. That means that the Lord speak pagan and he said that since you used the woman bring down the human race. I will use that woman as an instrument to bring the Redeemer into the world who will save the human race in between your seed which is mankind which follows Satan and her seed, which is the Lord Jesus Christ and it which is Christ shall bruise your head with the victory that Jesus won at the cross, and you shall bruise his fuel, which is the sufferings of the cross. Hey Tom, I got a jump and I appreciate you giving a Christological estimation.

Genesis 315 but we are at a time and if you were going to tie that they can with the anti-Stanley point, I don't see that connection, but unfortunately were out of time so thank you thank you for weighing and I hope to write some things about this appreciating what Pastor Stanley is seeking to do but raising some serious concerns and issues that I'd like him to address so out will will take this up and coming days, but it's an important discussion and anything that undermines our confidence. The authority of the Scriptures something you need to seriously address the heart and mind.

The bottom line today. God's word remains a lamp 4 feet light path and anchor for souls who is going to be a voice for the voiceless. A powerful movie will speak directly to you. It's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH air again is Dr. Michael Brown, and perhaps most challenging arrive when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. The voice of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, speaking to the United Nations in Geneva. 2011, a famous speech.

She said that gay rights are human rights made clear to other nations that they would be under pressure to embrace the gay activism of America or else suffer the consequences and obviously makes clear here that religious beliefs are going to have to change if they do not affirm the goals of gay activists, but it such as their that Hillary Clinton has made clear religious beliefs have to change. It's also important for her that religious beliefs change when it comes to the subject of abortion when it comes to the subject of life, 866337884 the number to call you listening to the line of fire.

This is Michael Brown, about to speak with Stuart Megan about an important new movie voiceless Stuart joined us some weeks back and I said let's come on again get you back on the air when the movie is about to launch so you have a fascinating conversation.

A moment the let's frame this issue about the voiceless about the rights of the unborn and we go to. Let's see clip number 10, April 3, 2016 Meet the Press Hillary Clinton and she is discussing the status of the unborn child well under our laws. Currently that is not something that exists, the unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights.

Now that doesn't mean that we don't do everything we possibly can in the vast majority of instances to get out help a mother who is carrying a child and wants to make sure that child will be healthy to have appropriate medical support. It doesn't mean that you don't just do everything possible to try to fulfill your obligations, but it it does not include sacrificing the woman's right to make decisions and I think that's at an important distinction that under Roe V Wade we had enshrined under our Constitution. Alright, so the unborn person that says she describes the baby unborn person does not have constitutional rights and she also speaks of a mother carrying a child, I guess it's only a child if she springs it to full term. One more quote number 11 as Hillary Clinton addresses this issue. She's on ABC's the view April 4." The unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights. My question is at what point does someone have constitutional right and are you saying that a child I had to do date just hours before delivery still has no constitutional rights under law.

That is the case on Paulette. I support Roe V Wade because I think I have important statement about the importance of a woman making this most difficult decision with consultation, by whom she chooses her Dr. faith her family and under the law and under. Certainly that decision.

That is the way we structure it so right up to the moment of birth for the Hillary Clinton that child that they be does not have constitutional rights I may not be supporting Donald Trump metallurgy do not do not cast your vote for cleansing by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown doesn't have constitutional right again the baby in the womb. If the baby knows a person the person by definition have constitutional rights and notice that we speak of a woman's right to choose. We don't normally speak of a mother's right to choose. Okay, we don't normally speak of a mother's right to choose because that would then say bless the mother and that thing that massive tissue that blob that whatever in the room. No, no, no, it's that's that's her baby that what you say, mother will how is your mother if she going mother if she has a child right so what you say when. When someone gets word what what we get word that there is pregnancy. We have a baby I be a mommy and daddy right so that moment barring something that that would terminate at the then even then you say we we lost our child. We lost our baby would be a pro-life mentality and is so essential that we recover that pro-life mentality in our culture now before I discuss this movie voiceless. I want to mention a new article that I wrote and it is about Lebron James it seems that he is really interested in and helping kids in his community in Ohio that he has a foundation that does that. It seems really interested in, and that's commendable, but then he endorsed Hillary Clinton yesterday as it is reason for doing it. One key reason is is that she's she's always been involved with with children and their future. She believes in children and their future. Think how you believe in children or in the future your own book believe that the right to exit the womb. If people decide to terminate the baby and and and and how many millions of kids have been cut short of having a future because of the policies that she would endorse how we address these issues.

What's a good way to turn hearts towards the pro-life cause. My guest Stuart Megan fellow Jewish believer in Jesus and he has helped put together a film that is making a lot of impact is it's been a view in advance of its effaced trauma called voiceless and it tackles the issue of of abortion from a different angle fact that it involves water of boxer are you kidding me. So let's set let's bring Stuart on and find out more about the movie voiceless Stuart. Welcome back to the line of fire came in great back on Michael, thanks for having me. Sure thing a Stuart what's the origin of the movie voiceless. How did you get involved with this in about five years ago, my partner and I were writing down in we were contemplating what we can do to really impact the culture for God and when we kept thinking about that we were we were led back to the artist only see people they go to the movie theaters and they are influenced by what they see.

They actually got to emulate what they see on the big screen and we thought you know so many movies come out of Hollywood that are godly and even worse to grade our Lord.

And so we could look at we can make a movie that would bring glory to God. It's scary to even think about doing that and it can be very difficult for us to do that and very uncomfortable but we can do that we can touch people's lives and often times the big screen has more of an impact on a Christian then.

Unfortunately, the pulpit, until we decide to make a movie that would bring glory to God. Five years ago and here we are today. Movie opening up October 7. Now when you say your points. Just as businessmen burn to do something.

Yeah, we were walking around my neighborhood. This one day five years ago and we were saying. What can we do to impact the culture for Christ and we are praying about it. We had a couple of different thought kept coming back to that my partner had done a couple documentaries before this, but never feature I've never been involved in a documentary or feature, but we just knew that the Lord was calling us to do something here in we decided to put on the lie week their own money. We put our own time. We believe we have the lead voiceless for the last five years I Stuart South you know that there are some movies that are produced that are low quality people mean well, but you can tell they're not really professional, you kinda sit there and and grown a little bit because think mandalas can want to see this and you know to do it right is like $100 million some crazy thing like that. How are you able to put out a equality production without being billionaires and mean it without having a massive Hollywood studio doing all the work have this happen. I know you know when five years ago.

I would never have understood how to do something like that. I may look the movie Ben Hur just came out.

They spent $100 million to produce that movie, $50 million to market that movie hundred and $50 million went into Ben Hur needed 25 million at the box office know it was it was just not successful, the box office and so you know when we were looking at numbers like that, with films that preceded it with. But how can we do that but you know when you really do things responsibly, and that that was a word that we used throughout the entire process is gonna make a responsible movie we went ahead and we interviewed crewmembers. For example, that really have a great reputation to a great job but they have really made it to the top. Yet they haven't done movies like Ben Hur, haven't done movies like you know with the passion of the Christ, but they they have talent similar to those people that have made movies like that that we hired a crew that did a great job but we can afford. We hired local actors for the most part of that we developed for Hollywood studio type California actors as well and everything we did, we did responsibly and we watched our pennies and we made a movie that is so small in his budget but yet people have seen it and there blown away and they state movie that looks like a big Hollywood studio movie. So what the visa which about the contents of the movie what impact this movie had on viewing audiences that have seen previews of it. We've shown it to pastors and pro-life leaders, and even to obligate or not pro-choice people and and they're all impacted in a very positive way. I had one pastor say to be holy smoke Stuart object, always disappointed by Christian films but not this time.

I this is a real movie. It's not cheesy. It tells a great story.

The characters are flawed. They have issued everybody does a hug at the end and they were all saved and then God worked it all out. You know if that date.

They deal with life problems in the MoveOn and that's what the pro life community says that the church community and even the pro-choice community they have seen this movie and they say, look, you know what you don't vilify the pro-choice movement and I like that about this movie and it is a heroic story about someone who put the stake in the ground until I can make a difference. I can make a change and they get motivated by that as well. One is the movie coming out so it opens throughout the country. October 7 this Friday night you can go to voiceless the movie.com and click on theaters and you can see where it's playing in a theater near you and I just encourage your listening audience to go and see the movie and support this movie. We need more movie like this coming out in Hollywood.

I want to talk more about the content in give our listeners an overview but honestly Stuart shoot straight with me. What are you hoping for. What are your realistic expectations. You know what a Monday morning for a filmmaker.

I've learned the weekend after their movie open is one of the most stressful, difficult morning of the producers life right because everybody the neck look and see how to do movie do opening weekend. Didn't get enough box.net to continue in the theater for another week you get one week run in the movie theaters and then you got to do well in order for the movie theaters to continue to play the movie so from a box office perspective where hoping that we have several weeks worth of a run with voiceless, but not because we can make more money but because it will impact more lives to save more babies live to make a difference for God until he went when you asked me what am I anticipating what I expect. I want this movie to impact Christians all over the country to stand up for what's right before God. If that happened.

I don't care what the movie makes but it's gotta make money in order for that to happen. Got it right so no one sees it, they can be impacted if enough people see it that will bring in numbers in the box office but that's just the secondary reality all right that we come back Stuart want to talk about that the the plot of the movie and and what makes it so compelling again to find out once can be showing in your area today is October 4, as were live. You may be listens this on podcast today. Later something but that's just three days from NASA a match in this journey of years for Stuart and his business partner must must feel very intense thousand gets these last few days before the movie is released. What kind of impact will it have whole go you can you be part of that. He reported that by going yourself by bringing folks all the fine out again if you should bring folks with different viewpoints bring them as well go to voiceless the movie.com find out the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

All right, my guess help pro-life movie called voiceless heirs will be in theaters this weekend, so October 7 is when you can see it beginning October 7 to find out words can be plainer you go to voiceless the movie.com I Stuart I've got a few questions for you first do you recommend bringing folks to the movie that are not believers in Jesus or or pro-choice, pro-abortion in their sentiments would you recommend bringing them to the movie.

I would say that this movie is written to the church for the church motivate the church to engage the culture consists of abortion. However, you can bring a pro-choice person. You can even bring someone who does not follow the Lord and they will not be offended by this movie and I think will be inspired in certain ways and maybe even inspired to dig in a little bit deeper and look into this subject matter and see what really means to be pro-life versus pro-choice. All right, second question, how did you get such a burden yourself because it's a massive project massive undertaking.

You're living your life. Work your business. You do whatever ministry do care for your family and now you take on a gargantuan undertaking which is a burden for this you know what when I came to know the Lord is a Jewish man.

I had a Holy Spirit conversion. It changed my life dramatically and little by little I just fell more in love with God and now through prayer and read the Scriptures regularly. I do have such a burden to do which right before God and me, to whom much is given, Michael, much is required in Luke 13 tells us, and I believe that we been blessed so many people in the country have been blessed by God.

Still, amazingly, and we have got to give back out of up sureness of the love for our Savior and so you know what I yes I get up early in the morning and yes I worked very late at night, you know, 10, 11 o'clock and the go to bed and and I've got other burdens and responsibilities of family and business but this is been a labor of love and when I'm working on this. I just feel them doing exactly what God wants me to do and as as you see our elections unfolding as you see, say, the Hillary Clinton position.

The Democratic platform being so radically pro-abortion since. With each election. Now that the Democrats are becoming even more intensely pro-abortion and Republicans even more conservative in their platform did you see America and at a real crossroads right now that that things can be tipped one way or the other and that where the precipitous moment. What I happily do I meet election.

It is a difficult one right because many Christians you know they say Donald Trump is not a Christian man we want to have in the White House and yet we don't want Hillary to be our president. You noted it when it is just be out that the back of two evils which one should we choose kind of thing. But look, if you look at the platforms as you so rightly said the Republican platform for life is dramatic. It's great.

It's the best it's ever been. And on the flipside that platform on the Democratic side is for Dan it really is coming. They want to eliminate the Hyde amendment amendment that makes it illegal to use federal funds to fund abortions that's been in place in the Roe versus Wade. And in 1974, eight, it survived Democratic presidents, even our current Pres. Obama and yet Hillary Clinton 150 that waived she wants people to get abortions up until the day where they deliver their child in a week I make a statement at the selection and we can say look working about life, what would you put aside you know some of those imperfections that we see, but we've got to vote.

Life all right so when you mentioned that yes we need to vote life. I absolutely agree with you. I slowly affirm that and even though I have not endorsed or supported Donald Trump. I absolutely urge people not to vote for Hillary Clinton and I'm all for people voting just based on the platform, thereby voting Republican voting for Donald Trump based on the platform. His pledge to appoint pro-life justices, but ultimately changes going to come by Christians getting involved in a grassroots level. And that's the whole purpose of your film. I agree I agree you know I am not supportive Donald Trump to agree with you. I'm just someone who can vote the delight of vote. This time, but yet we all come together and we say look, when Dr. taken a more would not be silent anymore. We are going to engage the culture rather than letting the culture engage us.

I can assure you that we will have pro-life candidates that are Christian in their beliefs that wafted up which right for God. If we were all just come out and do something that the key we don't all have to go to abortion clinics then be Street counselors and we don't all have to show you will baby showers for women who choose life or we don't all have to be involved in politics works even in post-abortive counseling so many other areas in which we can help. But God has something for each of us in this pro-life space and if we could get motivated to stand up for what you what God is formed in the womb, either from conception, then we can make a difference in this issue and then we cannot only overturn Roe versus Wade because that happened today. We still have a portion of it, it would still be is to be a problem with our church to be a problem within our world. It would be a problem with our country.

But if we as Christians were voice for the voiceless. We can change people's perspective that we show them love and caring and understanding and we help women who have these unplanned pregnancies know that they have choices of adoption and and and and support from the church. We can make a difference in Stuart. I appreciate the compassion there because as much as we stand against the taking of life of babies in the womb at the same time the same time, we understand. For many women. This is an agonizing decision. It sums that they wrestle with before the abortion after the abortion and in and we cannot stand against abortion without having a compassionate heart for those struggling with these very issues in Stuart in one minute give us an overview of the plot to Jesse Dean shy, reserved, recently discharged United States soldier moving across the country from California to Philadelphia with his wife Julia take a job as an outreach minister for church and he find out that recently abortion clinic moved directly across the street from the church not around corner. It's not on the bucket right smack dab across the street and inquires of his pastorate. What's being done about it. Any faith that in any inquires of the congregation any faith the same until through a series of events that take place in his life and one very tragic event, I would lead a character Jesse Dean.

He decides to stand up against that abortion clinic. No matter the cost. You willing to risk it all to do that shows what can happen when one man put the stake in the ground and for them to stand up for what's right before God and one man can do it two men five men three women for teenagers across the country.

If everybody does what they can do that.

Look, we've known this for your Stuart is 1/10 of the church mobilized the issue of abortion, the whole scenario would be changed nationwide. So, may God use this movie. I appreciate you undertaking it again. Friends go to voiceless the movie.com. Invite your friends and especially other believers. Go see it and then you'll be inspired to make a difference, and their resources on the website as well. Correct. That's right voiceless movie.com. You can even get information on how to start pro-life ministry in your church and is going to be a ministry page available on Friday like a lot of awesome. All right. We look forward to God use this powerful establishment.

Thank you Michael it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Here's the big question for you. How do you know the Bible is God's word.

How do you know the Bible is God's word simple question Michael Brown glad to be with you today number to call 866-34-TRUTH 784 how do you know that the Bible is God's word. Someone said you what makes you so sure the Bible is God's word. What would you tell him is not a question for you if someone could show you that the Bible was not true in certain ways that let's say for example when just complete make-believe history here that the Bible said George Washington was the eighth president of the United States and Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the first President of the United States and it was claiming to give accurate American history. Should I just put that back into the ancient world and and some of children know that's not true with, then that quite with it cause you to question the rest of your relationship with God.

Can you separate your faith in God from your confidence in the Scriptures, 8663 freight 784 I'm putting these questions out because the first hour of the broadcast.

I had some of interesting interaction with some of my listeners and before that before one on the air interacted with pastor Andy Stanley privately dispute direct message on Twitter because of controversy surrounding statements that he has made recently that some have thought he didn't believe in the authority of Scripture, and he is affirmed, reaffirmed, he believes in the infallibility of Scripture.

He believes that whatever the Bible affirms to be true is true so the Bible is making a statement on any subject, and that's what it intends to convey, then it is true. So again, whatever subject it's addressing if it's making historical statement and that's what it's intending to teach that it's true.

If it's if it's intended to teach science, it's true. If it's intending to teach theology, it's true. So the question is, is, as he has affirmed this as he is affirmed this to be the case. The question is okay when he says he wants to point people to Jesus rather than the Scriptures and then as they know the accuracy, the reliability of what Jesus says that from there they can then put their the reality of who Jesus is. His death and resurrection. They can then put their trust in the Scriptures will does the Scriptures get attacked anyway.

Don't we need to answer for that there was his point is if you have to defend the whole Bible, to keep your faith intact.

What if you can't defend the whole Bible does that mean you lose your faith. Conversely, so we can say what I know, your faith is real. The Bible isn't true. So my first question for you. How do you personally know the Bible is true. What makes you so sure that it is God's word and secondly, if someone could demonstrate that the Bible was not true. For example, that the Exodus never happened that God never spoke on Mount Sinai that Elijah and caught on fire from heaven that those things were just religious stories not based on truth with that cause you to question the rest of the Bible, 866-348-7884. I told Pastor Stanley that I plan to write right on this or to address via video and raise some questions that he can answer. And the reason I'm I'm doing it like that is because this is a very public debate public discussion. His ministry is his massive those who have challenged his views also have large platforms so I thought let's make this a teachable moment that the attack Pastor Stanley, but in the spirit of its understand what you're saying and how to address these questions.

A lot of put on the table but right now for you. How is it that you know the Bible is true.

What if you show you errors in the Bible that mean the whole thing is not true to say Either on their right back hey friends, this is Michael Brown I would encourage you to join our support team today, torchbearer one of our regular monthly support as it enables us to broadcast the line of fire in America and around the world and all. Every month we sold back into many many different ways join our team become a torture asked Brown a SK Brown.org.

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No father tells me so that that enough. The problem, 8663 Fortune number to call. How do you know the Bible is God's word. What makes you so confident and so sure I will start in Dallas with EN welcome to the line of fire.

Michael go to enter question I want. I was very skeptical of the Bible.

I was more skeptical like the historicity of Jesus was I to believe Jesus existed. So for me it kinda came out okay will do that is through defect. Dodging is everything, but when I start to look at the claims of Scripture just for me personally, I note the word of God. I've a person willing to sit down and listen to my objective evidence, I would appeal to the historicity. I would appeal with accuracy and not in that respect also prophetically if a person was willing to take the time to look at the bid just under difficult property are not just negligent things like that, you could try to they all look at little going on a daily thing about but really like ancient property like that about Babylon and tyrant and and in the destruction of of the civilization bike. I think it amazing the accuracy I like when you look at Daniel and you see the prophetic timeline from the time of the destruction or the building of the temple to the time of of Christ coming into integers like that comes up to me is it you can't really begin to make something like that up and consistent. You have you have 66 books written over such a long period time that it's okay for them at one with one another and not just that with the way for government. Looking at the Old Testament. How God actually delayed the right authenticated wasn't just one man receiving a message you show himself to millions of people at Mount Sinai, he revealed himself that Moses is my man of God, and they recognize what this man of God is going to write before though that authenticated that's just black. I think that Greg is strong that the best strong evidence for the be the reality of being truly God's word and the recess to this went did you have a faith experience through which you knew that the Jesus of the Bible is true and then the evidence of the reliability of scriptural authority of Scripture that built up for you or was it at that. Okay so was it was in that order like that for me.

In fact, I will. I would like on the objective birth but really for me it was a subjective thing that I went through that we are the greatest evidence. Personally like.

For example, Jesus says, my peace I give up you not of the world give divine you and the fact that II know what that it I thought I was experiencing that at the beginning of my conversion before let anything compounded in the Bible and reading it later that just added. Me, went to the fire with my with all the questions I had and have come out about having answers to a lot of forgot like objection one.

For example, the resurrection to The resurrection account others different notes and when you start actually harmonized that the gospel just be that there's no contradiction different perspective on the on the event those kind of thing I I started Roger's gnarly air in the Scriptures, but yes I would say my faith came in the course of developing with any writers of questions that come and then you got a deal with the question and a lot of time. For example like my look at property and I stay right here.

Therefore, there has to be an answer that I might not know yet but I know it's true and right.

Later down the road you got what it will license right so we speak, then the end we speak of of apparent discrepancies in the parent is not because we stick her head in the sand, but because first we know our relationship with God. Second, we've proven the Scriptures in different ways and therefore if there is something that seems to be a proper discrepancy would we leave this? As opposed to either coming up with a cheap answer losing our faith over it know he and I think of an interview I did last week with Dr. Norman Geisler feigned apologist and he said that he had hundreds and hundreds of questions about the Bible Bible history to whatever contradictions and theological issues philosophical issues. Now it is 84. He has a few questions now so that he still has a major snow so get the answer it and is not of this world and in the world to come, but it's not through lack of thinking it's toothache insight resolve this resolve this resolve this. I've been meditating on certain scriptural issues since I was a new believer and challenged by the rabbis and thought I just got an insight in some the other day that was out there so simple that works makes sense. So yeah I'm with you Ian and I'm with you and that approach to appreciate it very much. 866-348-7884.

How do you know in your own life if some of the Bible's true. What makes you so sure. How can you know you're not just making this up in a how do you know this is that's another holy book that the somebody road and their own imagination or some people wrote how you know 866-34-TRUTH let's go to Kayla in the DFW area.

Thanks for calling the line of fire. Hello yes okay well actually in area at liberty of 20 years. I didn't know it maybe now that the interlinking apparently now Ali cannot give me about the Bible and limited parking about that I had to take a look around the world and are being and being an army and the only one that will be put down in the community come back later when in the world when the lot worked at one time in my okay want to keep black ink in it right every day that I live in the body where looking at the plant that mean okay will and it@and lacking a lot where I don't think you know it did not believe that the Bible in the script. Our info you only know of a pregnant light beer laden with that. In their thinking and their whopping matchmaking. There really trying to limit a lot and need a tent game and that mean there are you on it and not you are not in you know in that light, or eyewitness account democratic question of the daily you know the new pants. They may indeed come imagine him defending and if I but what about eyewitness account. I like not regaining you know this backyard looking diner based on think that people with panic. In that email throughout the whole Bible in this time Manhattan night painting on the stretcher is drug related. The way they turn their back on God. After God has delivered him and given that indicate that the Bible is not very we are now the Declaration of Independence and their directly out of the Bible and aren't limited in the Israelite. After that, you know about the question of violent delivery?

I hope humanity. I do believe God yeah this. I appreciate your passion behind it and the fact you saying that the one we know the Bible is God's word is because it so accurately addresses and assesses human condition, and then you know the thing that's that's striking is the story of Scripture is something above and beyond anything that a human being would dream up in terms of we never would have concocted this notion that God loves us so much that he sent his son to die for what we did at me that the human arrogance behind something without the my body. I don't mean that this is my proof of inspiration were that it couldn't have been conceived but talk about the Bible's accurate description of human nature, it's wisdom for human life and the ways of God being ways of life.

These are some of the many ways that affirm the truth of Scripture hate blessings on your seminary studies as you finish up Kayla. I appreciate the phone call right that I care on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks so much going out and spiritual discussion about the Bible, God's word. We know it to be God's word. What makes us so sure someone could undermine the accuracy of Scripture with that undermine our faith in Jesus. Let's go back to the phones Marielle in Houston. Welcome to the line of fire. Gary doing her dark brown show so just for that first question. What makes me so sure of the Bible is God's word. I second the what the first color in said about fulfilled prophecy and historic accuracy. That is what really convinces me particularly fulfilled prophecy and what really convinced me also. What you mentioned about Jesus being the Christ was Psalm 22 verses 16 through 18.

That's what really hit it for me in terms of not just to use his claim to be the Christ, but also biblical accuracy.

How could you know how how could the part about they divided my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots and it actually happened in the New Testament mean how you know people have a hard time refuting that Jesus or somebody else orchestrated those events to happen and that in just that way since the limit.

Let me ask you this, when we look at Scripture your own experience where you someone that was skeptical of the Bible than