Dr. Brown Speaks with Dr. Howard Morgan About Anti-Semitism in Church History and Recovering the Jewish Roots of the Faith

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Jim is Dr. Michael Brown the night that I really surrendered for the ward that I know that I know that I know if I was to die would've been with him forever was December 17, 1971. Many of you know my story, Phyllis Vida, PhD, my guest, Howie Morgan came to faith, but the Lord is a Jewish believer December 17, 1971 exact same day as me and he was on the air with me years back we were sharing stories and the closer we got to him talk about when he met the Lord and was truly born Fan is the same day. Amazingly enough, so Howie Morgan is can be joining me today. He has a great testimony. He has a great ministry as a Jewish believer in Jesus.

Yeshua done some amazing things every year at Auschwitz that we may get to talk about and has a new book deeply scarred. We discussed as well. It is thoroughly Jewish Thursday, so if you have a Jewish related question of any kind whatsoever, by all means give us a call and Howie and I my guest Howard Morgan I we will take your calls together 866-348-7884 is number. Call Howie, it's been that way too long. Welcome back to the line of fire.

Thank you Michael. It was a pleasure to be with you when we love you we respect you. We know the Lord is doing great things with you and your ministry but appreciate that Howie judging by your accent you want born in Texas or Georgia which grew up actually born in Liverpool came up in Brooklyn. My family immigrated to New York when I was about three, so I lost my accent British accent quite early in life. God it and see growth in New York right and what was your life like before the Lord saved you in 1971, you know, I guess I had a typical Jewish background. You know I went to the synagogue and went to Hebrew school. I was bar mitzvahed.

My mom kept a kosher home. You know, we had Passover Seder and you know the very typical kind of American reform/Orthodox background and nobody was particularly religious. I wasn't, you know, I became a hippie.

You know, turned on tuned in, but I didn't drop out. I went to school in New York City did fairly well academically and actually had opportunities to work in the American Museum of Natural History doing some research there. That was kind of where my life was when I had my encounter.

That brought me to faith and again 19 1971 hold you the time I would pay it just turned 21, that maybe we'll get to share a little bit more of your testimony later in the show.

We just got a minute now before the break, but who is Jesus to you before you met him.

Then after you met him nobody to me beforehand. You know, I knew he was character, from history, I know the new Mike Gentile, mostly Catholic friends something to do with him, but he wasn't really part of my life my world and you know it's something the Jews didn't have anything to do it and then when I met him and got this amazing revelation that he was the Messiah that was like. It rocked my world and you know, everything changed.

From that point it's been rocking ever since we come back. Friends want to talk about an important book that Howie Morgan has just released Dr. Morgan.

It's called deeply scarred. It puts things together in a concise and clear way, some that every Christian needs to know also that often will take your calls, 866-3487 84.

Welcome to surly Jewish Thursday for cleansing by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown (Keith Brown here delighted to be with you with my special guest Dr. Howard Morgan. He is a teacher in the body ministries throughout the states and internationally.

Also an author to be talking about the new book he has released entitled deeply scarred also be taking it usually calls 866-34-TRUTH 784 yes if you had not followed the news today the Senate has pushed the nuclear option button and said that the vote on the Agoura search will just come down to a simple majority vote which would all but guarantee that he will be appointed to the court what this is something good or bad a person think it needed to be done. We can talk about that another day. Alright, so back to the back to my guest Howie Morgan your book deeply scarred.

I know you've carried a burden for many years as I have, to help the church understand history, church history through Jewish eyes and how Christians understand what has happened in terms of anti-Semitism in the church. So tell us about your book deeply scarred so deeply scarred and the Lord began to put this in my heart a long time ago when I was teaching a seminar on Jewish evangelism and realizing that most Gentile believers, goodhearted right motives were ignorant of history and especially when it came to this whole idea of Christian anti-Semitism and the things the Jewish people suffered in the name of Jesus is one of the root causes of the Jewish resistance of the gospel. You know they were encountering when they were asking you know questions about that kind of resistance, and as we begin to do these kind of meetings and explain this. I realize this budget dirt of knowledge out there and it's not being taught and that when we began to teach it. You know, people were crying their eyes were bulging, you know, and they said this is impossible and then we talked about by Martin Luther. You just wrote about with his anniversary your knowing and explaining, you know, the culpability did that he had for what eventually became the Holocaust and so many Christians really didn't understand all that happened in the Holocaust.

What happened in the history and so I began to do my studies and research over the years and just felt over the last really year to really kinda focus my energy on getting this little book and I purposely Dr. Brown. I made it small so that people are not overwhelmed. It's kind of an overview if you will, a concise history of just back. One after another because I wasn't one event here want to vent their if you start to really dig into that you can get overwhelmed by how many anti-Semitic incidents perpetrated by those who proclaim to be Christians in the name of Jesus and different kinds of persecution. So the only Jesus our people ever knew was that Jesus became at the point of the sword telling them at the stop being Jews that they deny the Torah.

They had to deny the God of Israel, they have to deny anything that has to do with Jewishness Jewish identity and take on these external forms, mostly Catholicism but also various forms of product Protestantism and mom hoping to try and fill in the gap a little bit as I know you've done so well in your book. Our hands were stained with blood, and some other good works, you know that that are available now in so deeply scarred as you said you present things concisely, yet clearly it is devastating. It is overwhelming.

But this is a way that everyone is able to take in and if you could give me your idea, your understanding of how this happened and how so many professing faith in Jesus professing identification within the church.

How did so many people over so many centuries commit so many horrific acts against the Jewish people worldwide trace back to the roots.

If you can.

I think we really have to go back to the book of Romans, and where Paul as your many of your listeners would know he was writing to Rome, having not yet been a was answering question and because they of the devil and will talk about Satan's real motive for being involved in persecuting the Jewish people was inspiring.

Doctrines of demons. One the major one really being replacement theology saying to the church in Rome, and Paul was addressing that. Well, you know, the Jews rejected Jesus therefore God has rejected them and looked the Jews killed Christ. Therefore they are guilty of murder. So God, oh deicide really and I forgot to get rid of them and replace them with us because we believe in Jesus and Paul writes clearly in Romans 11 verse one as God rejected his people which he foreknew no, absolutely not. And so we begin then to watch this insidious lie get into the church where the church began to believe that they had replaced a now rejected Israel and built on that doctrine were other insidious doctrine that that's one side of the story that the multi-folded story also along with that, there came a rejection of the Jewish roots of faith of the roots of the olive tree, which is what all was warning against do not become arrogant against the branches that the roots support you if you become arrogant against the branches. You will be caught off and in fact you can begin to watch the church get caught off from her life of faith that was so powerful that nations were being evangelized this week. We watch the very early stages of the church that the apostles and prophets were raising up churches. People were being equipped for ministry is what the church is always been always supposed to do, but as the church went was cut off and went into the darkness because she was rejecting her roots and the admonition was if you reject them. You'll be caught off. They rejected them. They got cut off and we watched the church defended the spiritual darkness now as the church defended the spiritual darkness loses her roots.

The enemy comes in and offers new roots, new beliefs to replace the biblical beliefs and we see three things begin to inspect the church.

Greek philosophy, Roman forms of government and pagan beliefs and that amalgam those three things created the religion that we have called Christianity. And that's what kind of birth. Roman Catholicism came out of that amalgam and we still see ourselves of being victimized being influenced by those dynamics Greek philosophy, which essentially is humanism, which is the exaltation of self in mind and I and me, we see the establishment of Roman forms of government that is sees a ruling over every body and then we see the influence of all kinds of pagan belief system was which takes us into a whole can now appeal thing is, in terms of like New Age or what ever I mean it just opens the door to anything and everything and we see as you study church history, various groups go off into all directions. The early Gnostics were very much influenced by these mystery religions which were very pagan, which were always about exalting self and the leader personality of the Caesar was always dominating what was happening and we see in the Bible, the opposite of this.

Where, for example, Jesus said don't be like the Gentiles who want to lord it over you but the greatest of you would be servants of all. We see in the book of acts. The apostles always setting up a plural leadership where men were called to love on another support one another. Be humble before one another to seek the mind of the Lord because we were supposed to create environments to raise up disciple teacher and train them send mail but that's not what happened. So we stopped being world evangelism we start seeing the discipleship we stop seeing Bible reading. In fact, as you know, in many of your listeners for the first century is the will of the clergy laity distinction another aberrant fee created a dynamic where the laity so-called ignorant one.

You know they were not even allowed to read the Bible, let alone teach it or or study it and be trained in it we see one layer of darkness on another am trying to encapsulate a lot in a short period of time so you know and trust you you you have a lot of points and you placed a lot of buttons now simply saying that Paul gave warnings to the extent the church departed from its biblical roots, which included an attachment to Israel took on other forms that work long biblical forms because of which the enemy gets in and atrocities happened hate. We got a come right back.

But what your website if folks want to go there to find out more. Right now Howard Morgan.com HMM high and got high.

Howard Morgan ministries.com will be right back in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 8663 here again is Dr. Michael Brown and friends to thoroughly Jewish Thursday, this is Michael Browner through the Jewish house with my thoroughly Jewish guest or to Howard Morgan to find out more about his work, materials, resources is new mini book deep so deeply scarred go to Howard Morgan ministries.com is most do. On Thursdays we take Jewish -related call so you go to London England. David, welcome to the line of fire.

You've got Dr. Morgan and you got me right here. Go ahead sir. I go up on. I will talk about the Sonia, both of the earlier mentioned about the Titan theology. It is my understanding correct the Titan theology is the idea that the covenant that God made with it. People no longer apply, but the an unpleasant Christian teaching would be the Jews on faith and that they believe in Jesus, but that the covenant enough to the plot that is without the type of play that is tightly receiving the Dr. Morgan flight that some will get to your session, I questioned all Christians as far as I know believe that Jewish people can come to faith be saved like everyone else. Through Jesus, but replacement theology would say that the national promises that God's given to Israel longer applies in nation. Rather, those promises of God's purposes for Israel have been superseded by his purposes to the church that the church that replaces Israel and God's given salvation how we how would you explain it pretty much exactly exactly the same way the infinity of Smith that inherent in this doctrine is that all of God's promises, then to the Jewish people are robbed because as you study that theology. The promises are taken from the Jews. But the curses are left to them right and so this is another form really demonically inspired anti-Semitism to get again choose to reject Jesus on an even greater level, proclaiming to them that they are told is now irrelevant doesn't it's expired, so to speak, and you're done. And now we're the good guys, so to speak, you know, God is now going to do all this is their best with us, and it it it just is again a way of putting the church into a place of hostility and opposition to the Jewish people instead of loving them.

The way the Bible commands us to loving them, provoking them to spiritual jealousy by our life of faith and our love and our kindness and or acts of lovingkindness to crested the Scriptures talk about so there is there a layers of demonic in the city of Smith and all of this and by the way, from our listener. I will be ministering in London and starting on the 14th and Emanuel center on doing a conference there for their annual Easter conference is resting. The first goal is from London where I'm heading on Monday exactly glad to squeeze us in before we left aunt David, as I recall, you were once in the face but not in the faith that your your questioning but you're not just outright rejecting us is accurate. Got it okay yes so as to Sonia, Zephaniah, your question, understand that the Temple Isaiah 53 mention of thousand, thousand of life, meditate that the parallel in the Sonia of the selected design orthotic Thursday the To fever 13 is the Sonia building along the time allotted people tongue will not come to an amount in the case of the fun you're talking about a remnant of Israel know about an individual is funding it. That might be a parallel Isaiah 53 and I saw an argument that it is something that is in fact the month of his well and not an individual yes so I love the question you are comparing Scripture with Scripture and the the problem is that it looks to me to be in an end time passage. In other words, it's not a picture of Israel in exile or Israel among the nations.

Suffering is remember that servant is suffering, in Isaiah 53 where is here and Stephani so it's it's it's a Sunday. In Hebrew, but is he in English. Zephaniah 394 that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech that all of them may call upon the name of the Lord and serve him with one accord. Verse 11. On that day you shall not be put to shame, because the deeds by which you have rebelled against me, for then I will remove from your mixture proudly assaulted once, you shall no longer be haughty in my holy mountain.

But I'll leave in your midst of people humble and lowly, they should seek refuge in the name of the Lord. Those who are left in Israel they shall do no injustice, speak no lies for the nurse. I like shouting out a sinful time so it's it's a future picture at the end of this age when judgments come on the nations and judgments even come on sitting Israel and you're left now the holy remnant serving God so yet.

Yes that's I look at it now, but I know the language of I like what you doing looking at language and and studying it, but again it breaks down in terms of what each one is talking about. Okay, no, I'll pull. I know that Poole doesn't seem to disagree with Jesus follow the law thing is pulled. It seems to me doesn't follow the law and doesn't really believe in the Lord. He uses very kind of a perceptible kind of leave the language and we talked about sometimes. Another conflict that out right language stuff. Example that the time they festive the law as Robichaud gobbet in comparison.

Faith in Jesus that he has the devil's perspective, the law is bothersome. Gobbet and that it is a place that he is fed. That bill discharged and released from the law and then when he does type the state of the things about the law will holy use kind of ridiculous language like it.

He says that he follows it lightly, and a man just like like a child who thousand that homework thing that he did it, by being a man in a pop-up. I think something is Game Boy so it seems to me the pool thousand that he believed that his need to follow the local and not only that he prefers to use the faith mutilative of the flesh, not even if is the front of the stump out of the city for business by using the faith mutilative the flesh is so in them thought the Lord stuck to business as a part of the north of it seems to me the pool I might doesn't believe in his need to follow the law in any kind of sense that they would mean fundamental like actually practicing it, I David, these are questions that others have asked of usually do we come back from organizing response. First Jesus issue mean the city abolished to fulfill how mortgage taken on Paul and the law will give you my input get back to you Davidson stay right here 866-34-TRUTH and this is how ministries it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Looking back to thoroughly Thursday. My guess that you held Morgan's website. Howard Morgan ministries.com newest book.

It is a mini book about anti-Semitism in church history called so deeply scarred 866-34-TRUTH of also going online. David from London, England. So how would this segment is a short one.

We just got a little over four minutes, but let's begin to address.

Is there endless books that have been written on Jesus and the law: the law first to the larger question when Yeshua says I didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill what you understand that he was teaching well I think this was part of his messianic claims that would make everybody stand up and take notice. In terms of this whole thing is all about me ladies and gentlemen I and I am I am the fulfillment of it. I have not come to abolish it to establish it but to fulfill it and what I am going to do is be if you will, the personification of it and fulfill it so that I can give you which true meaning and you listen to me and I will take you out from the external to the internal and this is where maybe he would take people to the deeper parts of their heart.

You know where you heard it that you shouldn't commit adultery but I'm telling you, your heart should be clean.

You shouldn't even think about it, you know, and I got changed quickly.

My understanding of that and so right now Jewish people around the world cannot offer sacrifices. There is not a functioning priesthood is not a tackle. Actually, that the majority but 75% of the Commandments of God's that are forever Jewish people cannot keep. So you have to simply, we don't have it try to replace it with tradition right or you could say that that God has brought to fulfillment that to which the sacrificed priesthoods pointed right in Jesus speaking that as he did many things about himself to proclaim himself to be the Messiah, the Savior, and the king and then of course the next level up.

Building upon what you just said is well as Jewish people, creating an identity we have what I refer to as the community consensus and how we interpret this and how we apply it, and we watch this among many messianic circles where people are struggling. If you will. You know it how to relate to the Torah because the Torah is alive it's it's it's full of wisdom and truth, and we have to learn to relate to it. So I've understood that my relationship to the Torah changed and now I'm trying to be led by the Holy Spirit as I read the Commandments and seek to apply them and obey them and for us to meet is one of the great if you will open secrets of the new covenant that now those of us were born of the Spirit have an opportunity to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit so he can be our teacher and our God. And I have a personal relationship with God, and I have to do the work of digging into that relationship. Digging into the words digging into my relationships with brothers and sisters in the body to help each other learn, change, grow mature and bear fruit, which is what I believe God is really after not you know the punctilious kind of what we have to do this or do that but really knowing the Lord Michael this is big. The center of my heart of our ministry is all that we would know the Lord, you know. Colossians 128 29 is really the other calling verse of our our our of our ministry of doing whatever we can with all wisdom to create will make sure disciples for the kingdom. My question always go back to people is is what you're doing, bringing you into a deeper knowledge of God and is it bearing more fruit more, the fruit of the spirit more of the fruit of the kingdom in your life is so that ultimately that would be the goal of the Torah, not just keeping commandments knowing God through with fully expressing his heart's result. But Paul did Paul teach something different did Paul teach juice. You don't need the Torah did he say that his dad is a relationship to Ways and Means Avenue and better covenant. The name and he accused some of the religious leaders of the mutilators of the flesh is the reteaching Gentiles circumcised males in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome to thoroughly website Howard Morgan ministries.com you be in which there is got many resources written resources and audio and video resources. His most recent publication important. Many books so deeply scarred.

I want to go back to David in London. Thanks for holding God. Both Dr. Morgan and me on the line so let's just have a Paul for a moment, it will read the book of acts we see that coming to faith in Jesus. He continued to live as a Jew and in acts 18. He takes a Nazirite vow under no compulsion, but this part of his life as a Jew he would go into the synagogue on the Sabbath and speak obviously if you didn't look like a Jew, live like a Jew, he wouldn't been welcome there there when he gets to Jerusalem. There is controversy about his ministry and Jacob James system. You see brother how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed their all zealous for the Torah and they've been told about you that you teach all the Jews were among the Gentiles to forsake Moses telling them not to circumcise their children walk according Torah customs within is to be done. They will certainly get you can't be different. We tell you we are four men who were under vow. Take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads this all will know that there is nothing and what they have been told about you but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.

So, in point of fact, Paul went ahead and did that because he wasn't telling Jews to forsake Moses Moses of the traditions of the people he was combating heresy among Gentiles. This is who is writing to his letters, like the Galatians and telling Gentiles of someone comes to you and says you must be circumcised and obey the law of Moses are to be saved.

Those people are mutilators of the flesh, this people are those people are destructive this people preaching another gospel which is in the gospel at all. So that's why he uses a strong language speaks about the law itself uses in Romans seven. The laws holy and just and good. He also recognizes David that the law itself could not save that under the law. Northern Israel went to exile, it was largely destroyed southern Jew that went to exile, the we see now the Temple destroyed almost 2000 years not rebuild the Jewish people had been in exile, one way or another. Still are to this day around the world. So under the law. We were condemned and fell short, and now God is said he's making a new and better covenant with Israel, not like the Sinai covenant, which was written on stone but not of the heart. In other words, God saying don't do this, but without the power to live it out now to the new covenant we have been given the power to live these things out and some of the things that were under the law, like blood sacrifices and things like that. We don't need is the Messiah has come and fulfilled that of which the sacrifice spoke about when Paul spoke in disparaging terms in Philippians 3 it was about the law was about the righteousness that he had look at what I've done.

Look at how I have have lived and a look at how righteous I am. He now counted that and everything that he gained as a religious Jew. He counted lawless rubbish in comparison with knowing Jesus the Messiah. So again, you gotta remember he's writing to Gentile congregations and he also understands that when not anymore. Under the law as a system of justification that were not under the condemnation of the law and that one of the law as a schoolmaster to bring us to the Messiah. We now have a new relationship with God by the Spirit in the lawn that senses is more of a scaffolding as opposed to something hanging over saying if you don't keep the Sabbath you die, but the idea that Jews no longer live this Jews, of course they did. But is there is no temple in sacrifices. Now they developed new understanding of life in the spirit just as the Pharisees and the rabbis develop their understanding of Jewish traditions anything you want to add to that, Howie very well said there there are two key points that I'd like to underline that that you mentioned the one is about the law being the Torah being a schoolmaster had a function because God's desire was always to have a personal relationship with us from the very moment of creation.

When Adam opened his eyes, the thinking being. He could see the face of God would just blown the breath of life. There is a prophetic picture there that I understand it goes right through all of the reason for the creation of humanity, because God wants this relationship with us and because he was going to allow us to get live in a world of sin and Satan suffering.

There was this whole dynamic of well choose now whether you want yourself or you want me in here if you want me these are the steps, but it shows us this is the law being the mirror.

It shows us that we fail in the God says this is really what I want am going to send my son so that you can watch this now be born of the spirit. This is Jesus's great dialogue with Nicodemus, but you can be born of the Spirit and enter in the kingdom and then enter into the kingdom. This is where so much of what happened within Christianity. As we were talking earlier.

It took people out of the realm of the spirit brought them into religion. This is what our rabbis did when they rejected the Messiah. They created another nonbiblical religion rabbinic Judaism and that the community consensus wrapped itself, so to speak around that and now we have Jewish identity built in various ways, down through the centuries. So we have a now a Jew.

Jews identify in a Particular Way, Christians identify in a particular way. But those who are in the kingdom of God as you were saying all called to have this power to live a life you know of obedience in faith and fruitfulness and this is what I contend for whenever we have these kinds of conversations when I say to people will what is what you're doing, deepening your walk with the Lord is what your believing creating a deeper relationship and more fruitfulness. These are about. These are the touchstones where Jesus said you know the tree by its fruit. Those are the kind of the two aspect that I would just like to underline hope that was clear Mike yeah absolutely in the last point David will get your sponsor when you mentioned Paul speaking of the. The inner being serving God and loving the law with his inner man. In Romans seven he's talking there about the inability under the law, to do everything. It's told you to. Last night I was teaching or two nights ago a class in our ministry school fire school of ministry and there is a sign on board. There is a rumor using is used for children's classes at other times of the week and it said don't touch the tape marks on the floor.

There were these exes all over the floor. Don't touch these this can be used for children's meeting and I said what's the first thing you want to do and you see that's what you want to touch up you never would've thought of it but now you want to touch them. So Paul is explaining how when the losses don't covet it now awakens within us the desire to covet and it shows us the sinfulness of what we need we need a Savior we need to Messiah the Romans eight that by the spirit by the Messiah dying for us and giving us his righteousness. Now we can keep the laws righteous commands that we can be empowered to not be covetous we can be empowered to be holy, so it's not a matter of discarding it's a matter of walk in the fullness of so the bottom line and simplicity is to recognize that Paul continued to live as a Jew, but his relationship to the Torah changed. I would certainly seem my way. Look at the towers very different than a traditional view, but is primarily writing to Gentile believers. When people are telling you must be circumcised and obey the law of Moses there to be saved is primarily combating that.

Hence the nature of his rhetoric, which are right is very strong so I hope that's helpful for you, David. These are big questions and I love the fact that you're asking them again people converting to Judaism than it is yellow. It wasn't that they were even converting to Judaism. It was that he was telling Gentile followers of Jesus that when these others continence is not enough, see you go to China and and people come to faith in Jesus, another living for Hammond believing that God has forgiven their sins because of the cross in their living transform lives and samosas, although that's not enough need to be circumcised and obey the law of Moses because after all, this is a Jewish faith. That's what he specifically speaking and so he says, like if you're saved is a Gentile, don't become a Jew first Corinthian seven if you're if you come to faith uncircumcised still become circumcised if you come to faith circumcised. Don't become uncircumcised and let each one remain in the calling he had when he came to faith will be like scaffolding and people normally describe scaffolding is rubbish, but he never describe the laws rubbish, we describe this rubbish was his righteousness under.

In other words, look at how good I am.

Look at how I am keeping the commandments that's your spit speaking. Specifically, the one and only time he uses that word rubbish were done. Philippians the third chapter he says this whatever game I had I counted as loss for the sake of Messiah.

Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Messiah Jesus my Lord, for his sake I suffer the loss of all things, count them as rubbish limb again Messiah so everything I had my whole career reputation. Everything that I was accountable rubbish my boasting about my righteousness is gone is now I know the Messiah and David knowing him, is everything all right got ago.

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You've got Jewish lady questions will get to them. Dr. Morgan together. His website Howard Morgan ministries.com is brand-new mini book which is must reading for every follower of Jesus so deeply scarred about anti-Semitism in church history Howie big question about the law did God's purpose changeability gave the Lord Israel for one reason, then Jesus came into the world and he changed things over to God always have the same purpose, and given the carotid Israel did have always the same purpose. All that we would know him, you know, I'm the prophet's lament how Israel would turn to other gods, you know it's really interesting when we look at Sinai, and we see it as a marriage covenant. And then God continually relates idolatry to adultery.

You know when we see that theme, you know, when God revealed himself to Israel. The first thing he said about himself.

If I am a jealous God don't have any other idols before me. Don't go whoring after other gods and you know, here's God's heart expressed the heart of the Torah is, and that the giving of the of the 10 Commandments. If you will. And here, God is saying this is what you know, the spirit of the Lord going throughout the earth. I think if I can chronicle you know, searching. You know he's searching for anyone as part is towards him and let me just say this to your listeners because only talk. People get caught up in the law they get caught up on my good enough. I'm failing you know and and and Jesus came to make this way, in relationship so my real my righteousness.

As Paul says does not come from keeping commandments but by faith in relationship with him. He saved me he gives me his spirit gives me mercy.

He forgives me so that every day I can grow a little bit more my weaknesses, my failings, they don't define my life. They simply become opportunities for me to go deeper and allow God to do it. People working our heart. This is his reason. If you will, for creating us and putting us in a world of spin and faking the end and suffering, so that through that we as free will, creatures can constantly choose that we can sure we can repent we can constantly turn to him and receive his love and his kindness and this is the transforming truth that it enabled me to live in and to the degree of obedience that I have and we we try to help others. So condemnation is no longer accusation. Strategies of the devil to accuse up and condemn us to keep us away from God because were looking about self and Paul is like you were talking about the quote about the rubbish. I'm not looking at myself anymore. My eyes are on him I'm I'm being caught up in him and you know that's what heaven is going to be all about Michael.

It's going to be about being caught up with the Lord and looking at him, absolutely.

Well said let's grab another call we go to Fort Mill, South Carolina Bill, welcome to the line of fire. Thank you, thank you for having me on your show. My bet I know I like to ask about three verses in Romans seven written Romans versus 717476, particularly Romans 74 it says you also were made to die to the law through the body of Christ. So we died to the law when Christ died. Romans six says now we have been released from the law, having died to that by which we were bound so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Yet we versus one has about the jurisdiction of the law does have jurisdiction over us as we died with Christ and the so we are released from the law that seem to be a very clean and clear statement is not right and then would solicit with continues and and build these easy great versus to raise. In fact, as we go on in Romans seven there some controversial parts.

Romans but but not this part. This really expresses Paul's theology as we receive reflected elsewhere, so she is willing to do to set things up because we got a break coming up, and then Dr. Morgan I got away in on this together right so we can have a healthy discussion about this and start the new hour. Fresh talking about it� Look at a few things right that he does say that we have died to the law to the body of Messiah's that we now belong to another to him is been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God while reliving in the flesh or sinful passions aroused by the law were working our members to bear fruit for death, but now we are released from the law, having died to that which held his captives so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code that when he comes to the end of this chapter he says in verse 24 wretched man that I am who will deliver me from this body of death thanks be to God through Jesus Messiah or Lord that I myself serve the law of God with my mind with my flesh I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now chapter 8 verse one no condemnation for those who are in Messiah Jesus for the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Messiah Jesus from the law of sin and death, for God is dumb of the wall. We can buy the flesh could not do. By sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh, according to the spirit. For those who are about to leave us your about to get out of your car go to work the short thing is we are not under the Sinai covenant into the new covenant. So rather than the law state of being written tablets of stone and that since hanging over our heads with condemnation because we all fall short of loving God perfectly and loving our neighbor perfectly and perfectly keeping the commandments with a perfect heart all the time that they law condemned us.

We have now died to that with the Messiah been raised in newness of life and now the righteous requirements of the law are written on our heart, so that which the law was all about is now written on our heart to do from the inside out. That's the great transformation so will unpack this thank you sir attention to them and seven, which further underscores points we've been seeking to make.

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Welcome to thoroughly Jewish Thursday I'm joined by a very special guest today, Dr. Howard Morgan his ministry Howard Morgan ministries.com you will be enriched with teaching on the Jewish roots of the faith. But teaching that will always point to the centrality of Yeshua the centrality of Jesus. The centrality of knowing God and walking in the spirit in the first hour we had some very interesting conversation about our relationship to the law and rent the end of the first hour bill from Fort Mill, South Carolina brought to our attention. Paul's words in Romans seven that we died to the law. We now serve in newness of life, not by the written code, but by the Spirit. So how we this is been something that is been a passion of yours for many many years.

Life in the spirit so it's now a matter of God's word, be it Sabbath, be it the meaning of Passover, be it don't murder. These things are now written on our hearts, we have the word of God, but nothing's been written on a heart.

So what's the difference between being under the Sinai covenant being under the new covenant picked up the difference between external and internal and being told to do something and having and I want to do something years ago when I got saved. I heard a woman stated when she got born again her. I want to change and that dynamic. Now when we are born of the spirit and we surrender to that of very important word. As you well know that people can be born again and walk in disobedience because they don't surrender themselves to the Lord. They don't take their ego off the throne in the process of surrender of this where Paul talks about being crucified and I you know the world is crucified to me and I am crucified to the world is glorifying in the cross why he was having these transcendent experiences. And God wants us all to have these experienced Michael God doesn't want this to be just simply going through the motions.

I go to church I go to synagogue I try and be a good person. I am a nice person.

I have a nice church. It's nice to be nice to them-this is the kind of level that people live on. And God is really looking for us.

You know what I'm speaking to myself as well. You know to go in in deeper depth and higher-and having a great and ongoing deepening relationship and knowing the Lord and bearing more fruit for him and for me, all you know so many of these conversations that we so often I would people and their good conversations. There are important questions to ask and get answered that the issue is are you knowing the Lord, are you obeying him. Are you bearing fruit for him these to me of the central Realty of the central issues of the Scriptures and of life itself, and Paul in Romans the third chapter says by doing this we don't we don't nullify the law we establish it because within the law, receiving, going back to Abraham in Genesis 15 that he believed the Lord and the Lord counted him for righteousness. So the Sinai covenant was put in place to teach us instruct us in that sense, to be like a a pedagogue schoolmaster speaking specifically about household slave that would oversee the children's education protect them and things like that.

So the reality is that's what the external covenant did within that people wanted to serve God please God gave crying from his heart for the Lord that there's something deeper grade that has come with that external coat hanging over us is now written in our hearts are filled one come back to you for your comment. For plan and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, it's thoroughly Jewish Thursday on the brandy or have you watched my debate from about two weeks ago now with Rabbi Daniel Fry tag canister state universities. Jesus, the Jewish Messiah. It's on the website. The want to fire.org watch it.

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I was married my wife tragically died that ended the marriage covenant and in the Sinai covenant was ended for us because we died with missile when he died, and Romans 71 says the law has a jurisdiction over man right along if you live like this is one one place in the Bible were talked about the fact that we died not just saying that side. We died in him that is that counted for us in a sense, we were corporately at summed up in Christ, and put to death that ended the literal Sinai covenant raises up from the dead, joined us to the new covenant, which is a fulfillment of the Sinai covenant Sabbath law is as a fulfillment, a greater grasp the constant rest. The seven day a week rest right right so this is the point.

The point being that we didn't and in other Scriptures note Galatians 2 am crucified with Messiah. Second Corinthians 5 we conclude that when one died. Then all died. So this is definitely something Romans six that we died with him in the race with him in newness of life. But we've died to ultimately sweep died to sin. We been raised up a new life in obedience. I think that's the key thing there is. We haven't at an ancestry explaining it. We died to the Sinai covenant we died to the system. That said, if you don't observe the Sabbath death penalty and and rather we have died to that external covenant and now in the new and better covenant in Jeremiah 31 glyphosate goddesses. I'll put my tour raw in their hearts. So in the new and better covenant.

Paul speaks of in second Corinthians.

The third chapter as well.

There is a new relationship. So of you've articulated very clearly. Some claim that what we died to without the law, but the flesh in Romans seven, and that's a logical connection with the language seems to speak of something other than that and again now this new relationship with God. The terrace written in our hearts and we experience.

Yes, the fullness of what the law was pointing to that since the Sinai covenant was the shadow, the film is in the Messiah how anything you want to add to that. Yeah, I think you know which condolences to Bill on the loss of his wife. You know that covenant with her ended with her death, but the thing she taught him are still alive and you know the memories of all those kinds of things there still alive and he can draw from that.

So I my relationship to the Torah, changed with the death and resurrection of the Messiah, but it's instructions are full of life.

I was just reading today of Joshua six, and the commandments to to go into battle, you know, without natural weapons, just, you know, shofars, and a shout in the last go round over around Jericho you know and that's just an example of the richness of an of of of instruction for life in the spirit fixed blade out there, but you have to have the Holy Spirit as your instructor and you sure thing, it's to your advantage.

I go wait, I'm going to send the Holy Spirit.

In one of the things to go back to our first session, when the church dropped her Jewish roots and was infected by their philosophy of the Greek, Roman, and pagan dynamics if you had any new a new dynamic of conformer tea to the religious establishment rather than the apostolic hearted I want to create an environment of freedom where everybody is free to learning change and grow and discussed having real Beit midrash is we don't reject one another because we disagree, but iron sharpening iron how is my different fairs, creating a dynamic so I can learn from you and learn from me, rather than saying all you don't agree with me.

Therefore I have to vilify and reject you and call you an apostate and a heretic rather than okay.

You're looking at that, the light reflecting on the fact of the diamond in your spring purple and I'm seeing green it's in the light of God being reflected through the word of God and how much how much greater unity. Michael would be in the body of Christ. If we had this part for one another. The total would open up in such fabulous ways. The instruction total use of your people know that that means instruction how much great instruction, would there be if we would relate to it in this way you absolutely will say hey Bill, thank you so much for the call. Much, much appreciated. 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go to Deborah in Maple Grove, Minnesota.

Welcome to the line of fire.

Thank you so much Dr. Brown in and for your guest. I just and overwhelm the whole show and feeling the emotion of the Lord so grateful for what you doing your speaking of heart and you're doing it so beautifully with such patients, and brotherly love.

It's beautiful. So thank you for that.

My question you can attached on the whole marriage covenant marriage and from Jeremiah 3 have always wondered in the part where the Lord says in all issues the certificate of divorce if it because he is wanting a divorce and he and it's like he's initiating it or is he out of here. Love and compassion, giving her what she wants, giving Israel because she's rejected because she's Another letter giving her what she wants because that's what love does until she comes back to me to have a perspective on that first thank you for the very kind words and read the verse and let Dr. Morgan way in first man divorces his wife, and she goes from becomes another man's wife will he returned to her with that Noth would not that land be greatly polluted.

You have played the horror with many lovers in which he returned to me, declares the Lord. So Howie and your understanding is the Lord say look, you have committed adultery over and over again there from divorcing you or is he saying hey if you want out and I can try to hold you back. I think that's more of the second thing that you said is you know God doesn't force himself on anybody. This is why he created us with the better we will quote unquote that we have and he is extending the gospel is an invitation, you know, this is why the whole perversion of Christian anti-Semitism in the enforced conversion was so ungodly and un-biblical. So this is God's heart reaching out. That's what real evangelism if it's this great invitation. Although you know that you would come to me you know and all that you know the limits of the profits over and over God's lament, Israel Israel, why would you die you know and so it's like okay you don't want me go ahead, you know, I and then we see even Paul talking to the Jews of the end of the book of acts you redeemed yourself unworthy of eternal life will turn to the Gentile and what can God do you know he won't force himself on anybody. He lets them go. But there are no women in there and in the tolerability of the marriage covenant had to depend upon the cues make punishment penalties. You know, for disobedience. God made that very clear from day one right yeah so II think in that respect, it is a both and on the one hand, saying you want out fine. Go ahead, but is also singing his holiness and his dignity and his honor. You can be punished for your sin.

I I am not just someone to be used and abused, and therefore I am going to divorce which means here.

Send them into exile.

This is to remain Israel's God and still call them back tenderly through all of this and then even though according to law. Once you divorce your wife. You can bring her back as the Talmudic rabbis said that repentance nullifies the tree.

In other words, it even though it is Deuteronomy 24 when Samantha forced his wife to marry another, come back to him. God's is come back makes it clear in the fourth chapter Jeremiah come back slightly done this judgment within nursing. Thank you file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome to thoroughly Jewish Thursday Michael Brown with my guest, Dr. Howard Morgan Howie you have a ministry to the nations. You have a ministry to the church in America in the nations but as a fellow Jew.

Obviously your heart beats for Jewish people. We know many Jews in America specially but around the world are secular, not religious at all, and you have devout Jews who, with every fiber of their being, to their knowledge there trying to serve God and and please God help us as your heart feel how does your heart be hurt for the Jewish community. It hurts and there are times when I've been in prayer and I could feel this great pain and almost to be quite honest it scares me your mailing like I do. I don't know if I can embrace back pain. Lord dear Marilyn, sometimes Michael line in all honesty I stepped away because the pain was too overwhelming, and I've asked the Lord to give me grace to pray for them. Your mailing grace to embrace the pain kind of bite-size pieces. If you will that I could handle and II know I'm about to cry now.

I could feel you know his heart. You know deep deep crying you know for people who you know is you and I we've been blotted time witnessing to Jewish people you know when and the stone wall you know and and and them dear departed the Jewish believers named our Fit in a Message She Said You Know the Problem Is Not the Jews of That of the Jesus of the Problem Is Not Jesus. The Problem Is the God of Jacob. You Know That the Relates That the Issue for the Jewish People Has To Do with God Himself. You Know and and I Think That's Really Kind of an Encapsulation of Truth. As I Read Jewish History and I Read Jewish Books and Meet with Jewish People, You Know That This Is No Going Back to That the Heritage of the Jews Wandering in the Wilderness, You Know, Having Just Experienced This Amazing Demonstration of Power and yet Rebelling Young and God Has I Think When We Get into Real Intercession. You Know We We Run into This a Great Place of Weeping and You See Happen As a Jewish People Discover Jesus and Assign Come into a New Relationship with the God of Jesus the Messiah Yeah and You Know What's Thrilling for Me As I See Ministries Emerging around the World. Israeli You Know Fiber Is a Natural Born Israelis Found in the Ministry That's Going on in Israel and Other Parts of the World Reaching out to Jewish Jewish People, You Know, the Lord Told Me That He Had a Fourfold Plan Returning Jesus to the Earth.

It's Going to Be in My in My Next Book on Anti-Semitism, Which Is Going to Be a Companion Volume to the History You Know of the Lord Spoke to Me and Told Me That He Was Going to Restore the Church for Jewish Roots in the Church. The Jewish People and All over the Last 10 Years, More and More Watching Ministries Reach out to Jewish People.

Humanitarian Aid Helping Jews Come Back to the Land Reaching out to Jewish Communities and Doing Things Together Breaking down This Historic Wall of Opposition and Hatred and Persecution and Death and and Christians Really Being Who They Were Called to Be from the Beginning I and I'm I Take Great and How Shall I Say This, You Know, Optimism Is the Word That Comes to Mind, and Hope You Know When I When I See Ministries like That, and I See Testimonies That Are on on the Internet.

The Rabbis Coming to Faith in Jewish People, You Know, Opening up My Own Brother. Dinner Was Beginning to Open to the Lord for the First Time in My Life. You Know You and I Was Just on the Phone with Them the Other Day. You Know I Sent Him a Copy of a Book with Your Testament Testimony As They Thought for Themselves and Some Other Books, You Know, Because He Went to Israel and He Decided He and His Wife Decided, You Know, When, Where, Were Very Secular Jewish Businessman Typical of Our People, but He and His Wife, That You Know What, Let's Go to Israel, but Let's Go with an Evangelical Church Group to Get a Different Perspective. While Yeah Wow and so He Went with All These Born-Again People.

He Had a Great Time They Had a Great Time Witnessing and Asking Questions and Answering Questions. But He Said When He Got to the Western Wall and He Touched It.

To Quote His Words Were That It Was a Magical and Mystical Moment and Something Happened That Opened Him to Recognize That I'm Not so Crazy This Week When He Came Back from Israel.

We Had This Wonderful Conversation Right There. Will Stephen That's His Name You're Touching Something That I Encountered and He Said You Know I Used To Think You're Crazy but I Think I Understand Something Now That I Didn't Know Moments like That You Know I Share This with My My Girls My Daughters and My Wife Garage.

Uncle Stephen You Know and It's like We're Watching This Happen around the World. And so My Heart Is Lifted Is Hardened, You Know, Because the Lord Is and in the Midst of the Darkness, and I Know We Know Many Times All We Hear about Is the Bad News in the Politics and Other Stuff but God Is Moving in His Own Way Touching Hearts around the World Absolutely Is. We Just Got about Two Minutes Will Minute Half before the Break. If Someone Is Listening Now This.

How Do I Find God Only Have a Minute Half You're on the Elevator Talking to Him What Direction Which Point I Tell Them Don't Look at Your Head. But Look at Your Heart and Simply Open Your Heart and Ask the Lord to Reveal Himself to You and Show You That You Have an Eternal Spirit That You Probably Never Been Connected to and Asked the Lord to Open Your Spirit to a Revelation of Who Jesus Is and That God Is Alive and Real.

And Do You Believe That If Someone Just in Their Ignorance Cries out to God That He'll Actually Apprehend Them and Point Them in the Right, Absolutely and Do Amazing Things to Prove That He Is Alive. He Loves Them and He Is an Eternal Purpose for Their Life As This Is a Bible at Home and in the Where to Start. Would You Tell I You Know I Would Tell Them You Know the Old Start with the Book of John. In the New Testament and or You Could Just Really Michael, I Would Say to Them Wanting to Open It and Let God Lead You and Start Your Journey like That, or You Can Start at Genesis, You Can Start in the Book of Matthew Just Open It and Start to Read That the Power of God's Word Said the Words I Speak to Their Spirit and the Life, Life, and When Folks Go to Your Website. How Would Morgan Ministries.com Will They Find Their Well They'll Find Written Teaching Belt Find MP3 Go, They'll Be Connected to My YouTube Channel Where I've Got Somebody Finally Helping Me Get Videos Online. In Fact, One of My Old Ones from 19 like 89 Was Put up There an Evangelism Seminar That I Haven't Talked for A While, but That's up There with My Hair Is Dark and My Beard Is Dark. The People of Them Laughing Amazement Emailing Me Vintage Howard Morgan Kind of and Other Find A Lot Of Material Free Material and Stuff That They Can Purchase and Help Support Our Work. That's All It Howard Morgan Ministries.com We Come Back We Want to Send This Will We Started, We Want to Talk about His New Mini Books so Deeply Scarred, Take A Few Minutes to Paint a Picture of Anti-Semitism in Church History That I Want to Talk about Us Amazing Amazing Ministry Trip That the Dr. Morgan's Taken to Auschwitz in Recent Years Communion Auschwitz Will Be Right Back. It's the Line of Fire with Your Host Activist and Author, International Speaker and Theologian Dr. Michael Brown Voice of More Cultural and Spiritual Revolution Get into the Line of Fire Now by Calling 664 through Here Again Is Dr. Michael Brown Thanks for Joining Us Today Is Really Jewish Thursday Ongoing Far, This Is Michael Brown. I Am Delighted and Privileged to Be with You. I Got a Special Guest Dear Friend Phil, a Messianic Jew Both Truly Met the Messiah. December 17, 1971 When Our Lives Were Radically Changed after Howard Morgan's Website Howard Morgan Ministries.com for Many Years How He and I Have Been Burdened to Educate the Church on the History of Anti-Semitism in the Church, the Early Church within Its First Few Centuries As It Begins to Raise Its Ugly Head. Then As the Church Develops into Catholicism and Protestantism on Both Sides Stream of Ugly Anti-Semitism. How Is a New Mini Book so Deeply Scarred That Presents These Things with Clarity in a Way That Is Ultimately Redemptive Howie in Your Book so Deeply Scarred.

What Are Some of the Things That Is You Present This Most Jarring and Shocking for Christians to Hear Well I Think the Overwhelming Number of Anti-Medic Incident and Where They Came from. In Terms of Bishops and Priests and Cardinal Preachers and the Kinds of Mayhem That They Released That They Instigated That They Preached the Kinds of Sermons. For Example, That Would Take Place on Easter You Know That Would Literally Release Mobs to Go out and Slaughter and Massacre People and Then the Kinds of Christianized Leaders That Would Instigate These Pogroms in These Expulsions and It Wasn't Just the Famous Spanish Explosive, but There Were Scores of Them Where Jewish Communities Where You Know You Woke up One Morning to This Crazy Noise. The Next Thing You Know Everybody's Rounded up. Don't Take What You Can on Your Back and Get out You Know and You Lost Everything You Know and That's Just the Overwhelming Number and What I've Tried to Do in My Book Is Just Encapsulate This in Some Kind of a Compendium You're Now Just an Outline. That's Why Too Many Book You Know Small Enough for Somebody to Grab and My Prayer Is That Would Be like Kind, Almost like a Punch in the Stomach Is like Oh My God I Didn't Realize This Is What the Jewish People Have Suffered.

It's Not Just the Holocaust. It's What Led up to the Holocaust NYS I Title the Book the Jewish People Are Still so Deeply Scarred Yes.

So When You Minister These Things, We've Got a Minute and Have To Federate Christians Often Weeping Shock That This Is Not in Their Hearts, If Ever Seen It. How Can This Be Redemptive.

Lee Responded to� One of the Things That I Write in the Introduction of This Book That This Is All Dynamic Helping Explain Some of the Demonic Nature of This Is That When People Realize That They Can Rise up with the Righteous, and Indignation, Rejecting History, Renouncing It Repenting for the Sins of Their Ancestors Who Came in the Name of Jesus and Then Asking the Lord in This Is Where the Redemption Comes with Astronaut How Can I Become Proactive in Reaching out to My Local Jewish Community to the Rabbi to the Synagogue Writing a Blog or Sending a Text or Sending an Email Expressing What Your Messiah to the Jewish People.

What You Messiah Did in My Life and How Sorry I Am for the History of What Has Happened in the Name of Jesus, but That's Not the Jesus That I Know or Love and I Want to Express That Love How the Holy Spirit Will Lead Them to Express That Love and Works of Kindness or Financial Support or Whatever Humanitarian Aid or However the Lord Would Leave Them and Then Point to Sac Friends Jewish People Respond Ourselves and the State of Israel Recognizes Genuine Commitment As Evangelical Christians to the Well-Being of His Right Back to Howard Morgan Plan and by the Expo Line of Fire with Your Host Dr. Michael Brown Voice of More Cultural and Spiritual Revolution. Here Again Is Dr. Michael Brown Is Part of the Fear of the Forecast.

This Is Michael Brown with My Guest, Howard Morgan, How You and I Both Jewish Believers in Jesus Howie When I Grew up I Did Know Anything about Church History.

I Did Not Grow up in a Neighborhood Where We Were Picked Honest Jews There about 300 Families That That Lived in the Commune I Was Remorseful Jewish over the Bridge Was Almost All Gentile, but We Went to the Same School Together and I Only Found out about Anti-Semitism in Christian History As a New Believer, Rabbi Gave Me a Book by Malcolm Hey You're up in the Jews. It Was Published under Other Titles As Well and It's a Shocker It's an Eye-Opener. Again, It Points to Anti-Semitism in Catholic History and Protestant History. Shocking Quotes from Martin Luther and Things like That in It Didn't Join Me That Much Though Because the Church Where I Came to Faith. We Talk A Lot about Church History, We Just Read the Bible and We Thought We Go Straight Back to the Bible, but Realistically It's a Question You Have To Answer for the Jewish Community of Jesus Is so Transform This People. If It's a New Body Then Why Did They so Often Mistreat the Jews Even Offering Jews Baptism or Death or Expelling Non-Baptized Jews from Different Countries to the Point That Jews Associate the Holocaust Christianity in the Writings of Martin Luther and Things like That. So What Will You Say When When a Rabbi Jewish Person Says If Jesus Is Really the Messiah. Why Did His Followers Get Things so Wrong We Tell Them, yet a Very Important Question and This Goes Back to Again What We Talked about Earlier about How the Church Was Ejected Her Own Roots Was Cut off and We We Create What Was Created Was an Aberrant Religion That Became Known As Christianity. And When We Begin to Look at the History of the Aberrant Fees within Christianity and the Root of Those Aberrant Feet As Paul Talks about Doctrines of Demons and Activities of Evil Spirits, and the Fact That There's a Real Devil in the World and the Devil Hates the Jews Because Their Central to the Return of Their Own Messiah That You Begin to See This Picture Gets a Little Clearer That These People Were Not Part of the Kingdom of God. They Their Leaders Were Not Part of the Kingdom of God. They Were Written. This Kind of Romanized Government Caesar Ruling. You Know, and It Became Very Political and Military Lipstick and It Was Built on Politics and Finances, and on Power the Holy Roman Empire That Was Raising up Kings Are Not Allowing Kings to Be Kings.

You Have To Get the Permission of the Church and You Know We See This with Henry VIII and the Establishment of the Anglican Church in England. You See These All of These Demonic and Very Human, Political, Financial and Military Type of Threads Get Tied Together That Created Buying the Really the Aberrant Fees of the Religion Together and It Was That Inspired, Motivated by Demons That Turned on the Jewish People to Keep Them Away from Jesus. Now Another Part of This of This Whole Picture That Many People Jewish Believers and Gentile Believers Don't Want to Talk about Is the Judgment of God, but This Is Also Part of the Picture Were God Said to the Nation of Israel. Leviticus 26 Deuteronomy 28 Repeated Again through the Prophets, You Know That God Warned Our People and Said to Them, If You Reject Me.

If You Reject My Commandment, the Land Will Spew You out Vomit You out and You Will You Will Be Scattered to the Nations, and You Will Suffer Great Things and You Will Be Persecuted by a Polish Nation and" That and I Think Again This Is a Reference to This Aberrant Religion That Became Known As Christianity.

And When People Call Us Later Where Christians You Know There Is A Lot Of Baggage Attached to That Word, and Often Times We Don't like to Use That Word and We Tried with Birdwell Spells and Tried to Endeavor to Live As Disciples of the Kingdom of God and Members of the Body of Messiah, You Know, Because the Word Has Little Reply Baggage Attached to It, You Know, so the Question but Doesn't Have a Simple Answer Is No, but It Has an Answer. You Just Have To Be Willing to Dig into It and See It. And Then, of Course, As We Talked to the Previous of Previous Infection of the Program Is Redemption Because This Is a Very Important Word. It's an Important Word in the Bible Is an Important Word for God Because Jesus Is the Redeemer and One Day the Whole Earth Is Going to Be Redeemed yet and Ultimately Everything That Satan People Need to Leave a Gobble Turn and so the the Unbelief of Jewish People Brings the Gospel to the Nations, and Then the Mercy of the Nations and the Intercession of the Nations in Jesus Brings the Gospel Back to the Jewish People. So There's a Sense of Each One Relying on the Other, Each One Needing Each Other and Were All Shut up in Unbelief and Disobedience so That Our Only Hope Now Is in the Messiah in the Redeemer. So God Ultimately Brings Us to the Point of Helplessness in Manhattan and Then with His Grace Needing One Another and Yes There Has Been Judgment in Us As Jewish People As a Nation As a Leader Should Be Rejected the Messiah That Has Consequences Also. So These Are These Are Spiritual Realities and yet You and I Both and in Raising These Issues Have Always Done It That Suit to Produce a Guilt Trip, but for the Purpose of Redemption and Certain Leaders Set of Audit Anti-Semitic Things God Knows Who They Are. God Knows Those That Knew Him and That Those That Didn't. Those That Were Just Counterfeit Christians and Those That Were Christians with Real Fine Mixtures in Their Lives. But What What about Today As You Seek to Do Ministry and Bring Christians Together with the People of Israel Christians Together with Jewish History Christians with Their Their Deeper Roots. You've Done Something Tremendously Powerful and to My Knowledge Unique at at One of the Darkest Places in the World. Auschwitz: Tell Us about This. The Lord Opened the Door.

He Began to Teach Jewish Roots in Poland in the Early 2007 2005, the, the Ministry That Was Sponsoring Those Conferences. Shalom Ministries in the Polish Town of Port Stravinsky in Which the Nazis When They Invaded Poland That I Gave It the German Named Auschwitz and That's Where They Built the Infamous Prototypical Death Camp Auschwitz One and the Second One. Birkenau, Which Was Really the Depth Factory and of the First Time I Went to the Camp.

As You Can Imagine, It Was Quite an over Overwhelming Experience and All the Questions of Where Was God Out Of This Happen. All of Those Things You Will Begin to Spurn. You Gotta Pray through the Pain Got a Break through the Confusion and As I Was Able to Do That. I Was in 2005, the Leaders of Shalom Ministry Roman Gobble and His Team of a Roman Is Polish Church Leader and Got This Vision to Have Communion at the Infamous Selection Point in the Birkenau Death Camp Those of Your Listeners Who Don't Know What the Selection Point Means of the Nazi Plan Was to Gather Jews into Ghettos and Then Ship Them to Death Factories on on Trains and Birkenau Was the Prototype and the Train Would Come into the Camp and of the, the Victims, the Jewish Victims Were Asked to Step out on the Railroad Siding and They Were Separated between Men and Women, and Then They Would March to a Point Where NFS Offers Are Typically an Expert Dr. like the Evil Mangler He Would Feel like I Would Live As a Slave Labor and Who Would Immediately Marched about 200 Yards to a Gas Chamber and the German Efficiency Was in Operation There so They Could Kill 2000 People in Our and Burn Those Bodies within Half an Hour and They Were When When Birkenau Was Operating at Full Steam. You Know by My Memory Serves Me Correctly, There Were Three or Four Check Gas Chambers Working Continuously for like 10,000 People in Our Mind-Boggling Where Orbit Were Being Murdered and Burned and so I Knew of This for My History. You Know, and so the Pastor Roman.

We Had This Conference about 300 Believers from the Nations We Went to the Camp with We Set up a Communion Table Literally at the Selection Point and When the Russian Army Liberated the Camp to the Root of the Polish Government's Credit, They Didn't Do Anything to Make Birkenau Nicer or Better. They Left It the Way It Was. So You See the. The Gas Chambers and the Crematoria That with Dynamited by the Nazis to Try and Hide the Evidence of the Crime. It's All There, and so You Can Your Literally There Were, It Happened Your Literally Walking the Ground with the Jewish Victims with EFS.

So I Worked on Standing at the Selection Point As a Jewish Believer Asked to Lead Communion in the Very First Time I Did This in August 2005 I Had This Overwhelming Experience Position Opens up. At That Moment I Thought That Was Ground Zero. All of the History That Is Just Nothing You Got a Break to Pick That up Ground Zero Anti-Semitism Birkenau. The Line of Fire with Your Host Dr. Michael Brown Get into the Line of Fire Now by Calling 866. Here Again Is Dr. Michael Brown That There Really Check out His Website Friends Howard Morgan Ministries.com You Find Great Free Resources. There along with Some Tremendous Equipping Resources You Can Purchase You Will Be Enriched Your Relationship with the Lord Will Be Deepened to Focus on Jesus, the Messiah Will Be Enhanced Your Eyes and Mind and Heart Will Be Expanded Alright so How Would We Had a Jump in Right in the Middle of This Vision You Had at Birkenau at a Selection Point Where the Decision Was Made to Go Straight to the Gas Chambers and Who Goes into the Work Camps among the Jewish People. What Happened so I Had I Had History Was Culminating at This Point That I Was Literally Standing at Ground Zero of Satan Plan to Murder All the Jews Because of Hitler Had Won the War He Would've Murdered All the Jews of Europe and Then Would've Gone around the World.

That's Another Story How Hitler Lost the War and the Mistakes That He Made but All of That Culminated in This Vision, and I Looked at the Communion Cup and I Began to Kind of Hear Out Of My Own Spirit Come Out Of My Own Mouth, a Prayer That God's Redemption Would Take Place. Even at That Place of Darkness That God Intended to Turn the Place of Death into a Place of Light Turned the Place of Darkness of Darkness into Light and It Was Overwhelming for Me. I Mean, I Literally When Janet and I Went Back to Our Room. We We Were Sitting There with Her Head in Her Hands.

Know What You Do Is Jot down Some Notes and It Took Me Quite A While to Kind of Processes and I Remember One of the First People I Went to to Ask If They Thought I Was You Know the Victim of an Overheated Imagination, or Had I Had a True Encounter with the Lord. One of the First People I Told about This Was You. You Know, When We Had a We Had Lunch Together and You Are Very Encouraging and I Was Thanking You for That and That It Took Me a Long Time to Write a Little Booklet It's on Free on My Website Called Communion at the Selection Point God Gave Me a Vision That He Wanted to Literally Redeem the Holocaust and Turned the Place of Death into a Place of Life and As We've Gone Back Every Year since Then and Will Be Heading Back Again This All Just to Teach There and to Have Communion Together and to Share Were Watching Lives Being Changed and I Will Be Traveling to Brazil. God Willing at the End of May Because a Brazilian Pastor Had a Vision from the Book of Ruth about No ME Naomi, Sorry, Saying to Ruth, God Is Now Go I See That God Is Going to Have Mercy on the Living and the Dead, and He Came There Because He Didn't Know How God to Have Mercy on the Dead, and He and I Had a Divine Appointment and I Shared Some of My Experiences.

I Just Started Weeping Because He Saw How God Could Have Mercy on the Dead Which Is I Know Goes off the Charts of A Lot Of People and That's Another Story, but We're Watching the Lord Do Things and in the Ocean from the Town Where the Birkenau the Mile and 1/2 Away and There Were Going to Be Built and I Was Prophesying This in a in a Conference but Spoke to This Brazilian Pastor and He's Actually Involved. Now with Creating a Center of Redemption and I Believe That, and I'm Prophesying It.

This Is What I Believe the Lord Showed Me Your Tested That God Is Going to Turn the Place of Death into Place of Life Because They're Going to Be Centers of Redemption Built There for the Nations of the World Where They Will Come to Auschwitz to Learn How to Love the Jewish People so That When They Leave and They Go to Jewish Communities in Jewish Leaders. Rabbis Are People Face When Did You Learn to Love Yourself a We Learn to Love You without Schmidt the Place of Death Turned into a Place of Life.

I Believe This Is Going to Happen and I've Never Been Part of the Event We See We Set Cost You the Face-To-Face of Course and Read Some of Which Are Written on It Just Got a Couple of Minutes. What Has the Impact Been on the Christians of Taking Communion at This Place of Death. They Find Them Being Involved in Various Ministries. For Example, Supporting Shalom Ministries Humanitarian Work in the Ukraine Where There Are Elderly Jewish Survivors of the Holocaust Will Pretty Much Living in Derelict Conditions and There They Have Babe Open Soup Kitchens. They've Gone There with Medication Blankets and Heating Units and People Be Involved in Those Kinds of Things Going to Israel and Just Expressing Their Love to Jewish People Saying to Them, We Are Announcing, You Know, This Horrific History.

Those People They They They Don't Represent the Lord They Don't Represent the Jesus to Save Me.

I Want to Express My Love to You and You Know These Little Acts Carry Tremendous Impact and so I Want to Say That to Your People.

Please Don't Allow the Enemy to Demean You in Your Own Mind and Never Let Yourself a Beast to Be Stumbled by the Reaction of People You Just Act in Love, Acting, Kindness, Share Your Faith Shared Testimony. Don't Be Caught up in People's Responses You're Going against the 2000 Year Battle Going into a 2000 Year Battle Almost so Things Are Not Going to Immediately Change but Don't Give up You Will See Good Fruit. If You Continue to Love Jewish People Share Your Faith, Tell Them What Their Messiah Did in Your Life.

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Spacious You Travel to England Next Week. Thank You Brother All Right Hate Friends. Quick Bit of News. Quick Bit of News, Exclusive of the Jerusalem Post Today Moscow. Surprisingly, Says West Jerusalem As Israel's Capital. So of Course the Accompanist Ration Store Wrestling through Keeping the Promise to Relocate the Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to Get the Statement Issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry Quote We Reaffirm Our Commitment to the UN Approved Principles for Palestinian Israeli Settlement, Which Include the Status of East Jerusalem As the Capital of the Future Palestinian State. Of Course I Reject That Israel to This Point Has Largely Rejected That Then Continues at the Same Time We Must State That in This Context, We View West Jerusalem Is the Capital of Israel. And That's Were We Be Moving Our Embassy to West Jerusalem. This Interesting and in the Midst of All the Criticism of Russia and the Question about Russia's Involvement with Syria and the Horrific Gassing of Its Citizens Siren Gas Massacre of Its Citizens. The Midst of All This Russia Puts out the Statement Saying Yeah We Want Palestinian State East Jerusalem As the Capital by Means We View West Christmas Capitalism That Would Be a Logical Conclusion Fascinating Isn't It a Friends Check Our Website. The Line of Fire That Would Have You Watch My Video with Rabbi Freitag a Debate with Rabbi Freitag.

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