The Overturning of Roe and the Power of Prayer

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In the aftermath of the overturning of Roe, there is so much more to say. And we're going to say it today. It's time for the Line of Fire with your host, biblical scholar and cultural commentator, Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice for moral sanity and spiritual clarity.

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866-34-87884. In your world, how is Roe playing out? What's the response in your family? What's the response in the workplace? What's the response in your church? Are you among those who are rejoicing, celebrating? Are you among those who are grieving and fearful? Are you among those who say, hey, it's important, but we shouldn't be rejoicing because people are hurting?

Are you seeing all kinds of extreme reactions on one side or the other? Give me a call. 866-34-87884. Now, we preempted our normal Q&A show on Friday that we do almost without fail.

I can't remember the last time we preempted it, but with the overturning of Roe on Friday morning, it was obviously right and appropriate to do that. But I may be able to get to some of your Bible-related or theology-related or random questions later in the broadcast. So if you wanted to call in Friday and you were unable because we changed the format, we may take some calls today. So give me a call.

866-34-87884. There's another major ruling, very important ruling in the Supreme Court today, an important ruling for religious liberty. We're going to talk about that as well. We're going to talk about the fact that from the get-go, as even many liberal legal scholars recognize, from the get-go, Roe was bad law, regardless of how you identify as pro-choice or pro-life or whatever. The fact is that Roe was always bad law and Roe was waiting to be overturned simply because it was bad law. That's why in the vast, vast, vast majority of cases, everyone I've seen thus far, the hysteria, the anger, the attacks, the speaking against the Supreme Court, the people wanting to hurt Supreme Court justices, or as my producers were just telling me, wishing that the kids of Supreme Court justices would be raped so they would know, quote, how it feels and that you can't get an abortion.

So I mean, that's the way it's being painted and portrayed. Right. So what's interesting is you virtually don't see anyone challenging Justice Alito's decision on pure legal grounds. Well, we had precedent.

We had. OK, what if it's a bad precedent? Supreme Court has been celebrated for reversing bad precedents from previous generations. Right. That's an important thing. It's a course correction saying, hey, at that time we made our own decision. Now we fixed it. So precedent alone is not the argument.

But when you're looking, OK, so here, just give me your responses. Show me where Justice Alito erred. Show me his his bad legal reasoning.

It's not there. And it's not because he was so brilliant, though he is brilliant. Anyone in the Supreme Court is going to be a brilliant jurist. But it's not just brilliant. It's because Roe was that bad.

Roe was that bad in terms of law. So we're going to dissect that and analyze for that fuse. Well, you know, I'm not a lawyer.

I'm certainly not a legal scholar or if I'm not a lawyer, obviously not a legal scholar. But there are enough people putting things out for all of us to understand. We'll go through that.

All right. First, should we be rejoicing? Should we be celebrating? Should we be praising God?

Should we be, in a sense, spiritually euphoric over what's taking place? Obviously, those who identify as pro-choice or pro-abortion, of course not. They're angry. They're upset. Their world's collapsed on them.

They're acting as if abortion has been banned all across America. Whereas, in fact, the people say this is going to overthrow democracy. This is going to overthrow democracy.

No, no. This gets us back to the democratic process. Let the people decide. Let the people decide how.

State by state. That's why some states are becoming increasingly pro-abortion. You can't just say pro-choice. You've got to say pro-abortion, to be honest. And others becoming increasingly pro-life. And may the Lord make a distinction in those states.

May He make clear that He values life and esteems life and that He is absolutely against the shedding of innocent blood. May the Lord make that clear so that eyes will be opened and we can have a culture of life in America. But others are saying, look, I'm pro-life, but so many women are upset. They're hurting. They're grieving. They grew up with this. Maybe their mothers grew up with it. Maybe in some cases their grandmothers grew up with it. And now they're thinking, what about, is this it now?

I'm going to have to go to another state or overcome this obstacle or that obstacle or to get an abortion. And it seems like others are imposing their will on them. So, hey, let's just be sympathetic to those who are hurting and fearful. And we can be thankful. Let's do it quietly. Not public celebration. All right, I'm sensitive to that. And this is not our time to gloat.

Absolutely not. You never want to gloat as a believer until the final destruction of the wicked on that day. But then we'll just be in awe of the righteousness and goodness of God. But we don't want to gloat. No, no, there's no gloating here. And we always want to be sensitive.

This is not the time to win a debate like, ah, see? No, this is the time to reach out. This is the time you have a coworker, a family member that's very upset. Say, hey, tell me why you're upset and how do you see this?

And then just try to get back to it. It's a baby in the womb. It's a baby. It's real life. Isn't that the big issue? And can you see from our viewpoint why this is so important?

So having said that, we need to be sensitive and reach out. Should we give thanks, rejoice? Yes.

A thousand times yes. I've got an article that should go up later today or tomorrow on five reasons why Christians should be celebrating and rejoicing. Here's number one. This is a massive answer to prayer. A massive answer to prayer. This has been decades and decades of prayer. This has been day and night prayer. This has been sacrificial prayer. I know some of the prayer leaders in the pro-life movement.

I know how they've given themselves to this. I know the prayer, the fasting, the crying out, the massive rallies where not a word of ugliness or hate was spoken against others, but rather a call for prayer and supplication and repenting of our own sins. So when God dramatically answers prayer, to not give thanks is ungratefulness. To not give thanks is actually irreverent. To not give thanks is actually rebuked by Jesus in the Bible.

When he heals the ten lepers and only one comes back to give him praise, he says only one, ten were healed, only one comes back to give thanks. So yes, this is a time to celebrate because first and foremost it's an answer to prayer. And we need to be profoundly grateful to God and say thank you, thank you, thank you for making this happen, and certainly in the most unlikely way with some of the most unlikely characters.

Here's the second reason, and this is obviously what many would think of first, but I do believe first and foremost we should be thanking God. But then the next reason is baby's lives are going to be saved. There are people that are going to think twice about an abortion. There are women who instead of going to Planned Parenthood if it doesn't exist in their city or an abortion clinic in their city will go to a pregnancy crisis center and will find out about compassionate alternatives to adoption. And although the hysteria is going to win the day for the moment, in other words the worst case scenarios and Americans and oh no, what's going to happen next because of the fear mongering. As things settle, they're going to be more and more understanding the importance of life in the womb and it will not just be abortion as a given. So baby's lives will be saved as a result. That is massive. And the cry of the people for the unborn will be heard. That's massive. So that's another reason to be giving thanks.

Here's number three. A massive injustice was reversed. A massive injustice was reversed. God hates unjust laws. God grieves over evil decrees. And throughout the word, when injustice is reversed, when justice reigns, whenever that happens, that's a cause for rejoicing and thanksgiving. So first reason, prayers. Decades of prayers have been answered. That's why we give thanks and rejoice. Secondly, baby's lives will be saved.

How massive is that? Whether it's one, whether it's ten, whether it's a thousand, whether it's a hundred thousand, whether it's a million, over time the numbers will be staggering, but every single life counts. Number three, a massive injustice was reversed. Number four, many women's lives will be saved. So it gives you the right to say that I'm just basing it on all the calls we've had on this broadcast over the last 14 years now. All the calls that we've had from women who had abortions, who were hurt by it personally, who were wounded, who were scarred.

I'm talking about for a period of years or decades. Some of them carried those wounds until they were born again. Others even as born-again believers still have a great sensitivity there and that wound can be open at any time. So many women's lives will be saved as well. Obviously, pro-abortion, pro-choice women look at this as anything but positive now.

This is their worst nightmare confirmed. But in the end, this will be good for women too, therefore we should give thanks. And then number five, we can now make the argument for life on a national level because it's a national debate again. In other words, rather than, well, Roe is the law, that's the reality. And you've got these fringe, fanatical, fundamentalist, pro-lifers who want to impose their religious dogma on the nation and okay, obviously those on the left, those that are pro-abortion will still make that argument and try to demonize us and caricature us. But the fact is this discussion is going to be had state by state by state by state. And it's going to come before voters more. So this opens the door for us to now present the argument for life on a consistent basis to disseminate it more and more widely.

And with women having so much more access to ultrasound and so much more being known about pregnancy and viability, ages getting younger and younger, this is a great opportunity for us to fresh to make the argument for life. Let's seize the moment, let's give thanks, and let's reach out with sensitivity and compassion. We'll be right back. We come back going to start off with the court's new ruling today, exciting news.

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks, friends, for joining us on The Line of Fire. Hey, if you say, I'm a Christian, I'm pro-choice, give me a call. Make your case. Share your views. If you say, look, you know, I think the Bible's ambiguous on this, or if we can't just make this such a central issue, we just have to reach people with the gospel, and this is a distraction. I'd love to hear from you.

866-348-7884. But for those who for many years have said, it doesn't matter who we have in the White House. It's not going to affect abortion. So I'm going to vote on other issues, but abortion is not going to be central to me, as it has been for me speaking, Michael Brown, and for many other pro-life believers. Well, the fact of the matter is, if we had Hillary Clinton in the White House instead of Donald Trump, we might not have even had this discussion about overturning of Roe in our lifetimes. It might never have come up again, because the Supreme Court would have been so slanted in a different direction. So it does turn out that who we vote for matters. It does turn out that who we vote for can affect even issues having to do with abortion or redefining marriage or things like that. Those are realities. Yes, there are other issues, but these are massive.

I believe massive in God's light. To me, if I lived in the days of slavery, right, if you lived in the days of slavery, would you be a one-issue voter? All right, well, this candidate is really strong on the economy. He's really strong on national defense. He's got a great vision for family, strong Christian values in so many other ways, but he's militantly pro-slavery.

It's a bit of a contradiction there. He's militantly pro-slavery. This other candidate will absolutely do everything he can to abolish slavery in America, to emancipate the slaves. He's not as strong on the economy, not as strong on national defense.

His overall Christian values, I mean, he doesn't quote the Bible much. The second guy's got my vote, because I'm one issue at that point, until we deal with that great evil in our land. That's how abortion's been to me and to many others for years, the top issue that we look at. And then we evaluate the others, for sure, but that's the top one that slants things dramatically. For me, that's why, again, I'm not condemning you, all right?

I'm not condemning you saying you're not a believer if you differ with me, all right? But for me, I could never vote for a pro-abortion candidate. Well, the other choice, okay, then we sit out that vote. We vote for others, but we don't vote there. It's not the end of the world if we can't cast a vote out of conscience. It's not the end of the world. We can still be believers.

We can still make an impact in the world in which we live. Okay, the Coach Kennedy case. Let me just give you the details of that. This is a football coach who, at the end of a game, while people are doing other things and just completely on his own, would go to the middle of the field, get down on his knees, and pray. If students wanted to join with him, fine. If someone else joined with him, fine, but that's just a private thing that he did. And he lost his job at the school over that, all right? So the court voted 6-3. This expands the rights of individuals to religious expression when they work for a public employer.

And again, any teammates that wanted to join him could do so. Well, no, this was his imposing his religion, and it could give a bad appearance. So this is the beginning of Justice Gorsuch's ruling against 6-3 ruling on behalf of Coach Kennedy and on behalf of religious liberties in America. This is another big one.

So here's what he says. Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy, I think we've got this on slides so you can follow along if you're watching. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters.

He offered his prayers quietly while the students were otherwise occupied. Still, the Bremerton School District disciplined him anyway. It did so because it thought anything less could lead a reasonable observer to conclude mistakenly that it endorsed Mr. Kennedy's religious beliefs. That reasoning was misguided. Both the free exercise and free speech clauses of the First Amendment protect expressions like Mr. Kennedy's. Nor does a proper understanding of the Amendment's establishment clause require the government to single out private religious speech for special disfavor. The Constitution and the best of our traditions counsel mutual respect and tolerance, not censorship and suppression for religious and non-religious views alike. Of course, a good and simple and logical ruling. Of course, this is right.

I'm glad the Supreme Court got it right because one of my colleagues pointed out, kind of disturbing, that it wasn't 9-0. That three others say, no, you're a public employee. Think of this. You can walk and talk with people. You can get a coffee. You can do a victory dance.

You can high five it. You can just sit quietly and think, but you can't pray. Think of that. That's to the extent, quote, separation of church and state is rightly understood. That's one of the issues that the state will not impose itself over the church. That's part of the whole issue here.

I'm going to go to the phones in a little while. But first, let me let me take you through a couple of articles having to do with the legality of Roe v. Wade. This is from the conservative Web site National Review, and it says, yes, overturn Roe. It was written by Kevin Williamson, who was writing regularly for National Review, May of 2021.

May of 2021. I just want to read the opening lines. He said, Of course, the Supreme Court should take the first opportunity to throw out Roe v. Wade. It is an indefensible decision and always has been. It's always been indefensible.

It's never been a good legal decision to repeat, as many liberal legal scholars agree. Here's another article. This is the Los Angeles Times, so known as a left leaning liberal publication for many, many years, David Savage, a regular writer for the Los Angeles Times. So I'm just assuming that he himself would be liberal, left leading. It's entitled and this was written May of 2022.

May of this year. It's entitled Where Roe Went Wrong, a sweeping new abortion right built on a shaky legal foundation. And he says this Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court's best known decision of the last 50 years, is also its most endangered precedent. It gave women nationwide the legal right to choose abortion.

But the backlash reshaped the country's politics. The landmark ruling may well be overturned by conservative justices appointed by Republican presidents to do just that. What went wrong with Roe? Why did the court's effort to resolve the abortion controversy in 1973 lead instead to decades of division?

He says legal scholars and political scientists point to major missteps at the start that left the decision vulnerable. In Roe, the justice announced a broad new constitutional right to abortion that is not explicitly found in the words or the history of the Constitution. Justice Henry A. Blackmun, who authored the long row opinion, included the medical history of abortion, setting the views of Persians, Greeks and Romans, and quoting two versions of the Hippocratic oath and early English authors dating to the 13th century. He did not, however, quote a provision in the Constitution that protected abortion.

Abortion rights. That omission is cited in the draft opinion currently being circulated by conservative justices as they prepare to overturn Roe. In the words of Justice Alito, the Constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision.

And he said Roe's reasoning was exceptionally weak. Blackmun based his ruling on the idea that the Constitution protects a broad right to privacy, which is implied by the 14th Amendment. The amendment says no state shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without any due process of law. The court had cited this privacy right before, most notably in 1965, to strike down a Connecticut law that made it a crime for married couples to use contraceptives. While the Constitution, quote, does not explicitly mention any right of privacy, Blackmun wrote, its protection for personal liberty and privacy, quote, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. Conservatives regularly cite Roe as an example of liberals finding new constitutional rights and provisions or language never intended for such purposes. When the 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868, abortion was illegal in three fourths of the states. In 1973, when the court decided abortion was, quote, a fundamental person of the right, 46 states prohibited most or nearly all abortions. Savage notes that even some prominent scholars who supported legal abortion derided the court's opinion. Yale law professor John Hart Eli, former clerk to Chief Justice Earl Warren, said it's a very bad decision because it is not constitutional law and it gives almost no sense of obligation to try to be. Those critics included the young Ruth Bader Ginsburg. In the years before she became a justice, she said the court made a mistake by going too far, too fast in its first ruling on the constitutionality of abortion.

In her view, you should have had a little by little process and that would have settled the matter. Instead, you stirred up the pro-life movement and the pro-life cause like never before. Even the idea of viability, even the idea of viability. Blackmun said abortion should be legal through the first three months of pregnancy. This is arbitrary, but perhaps any other selected points such as quickening or viability is equally arbitrary.

It was suggested, well, point of viability is between the 24th and 28th week of pregnancy. So Blackmun changed the final opinion to say, okay, that's what we do. Bad, bad, bad law.

Thank God for a host of reasons that the court did what was legally and morally and constitutionally right. Go to your calls on the other side of the break. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. You know, over the weekend, if you start Friday and then the rest of the weekend, I think I wrote four new articles relating to Roe v. Wade and our response and what we should be doing as believers. I don't want you to miss a single one of those. We want to equip you with each of them.

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Let's start in Rock Island, Tennessee. Misty, welcome to the line of fire. Good afternoon, Dr. Brown. I want to first say that I really appreciate you and I appreciate your ministry. I believe that God has placed you as a spearhead in this end time. And I just want to say I really look forward to all of your articles and everything that you're doing for God. Thank you. I appreciate that. You're welcome. Thank you.

So we're talking Roe versus Wade. It's been the best weekend. I just got back from the beach and I was at the beach when I got the news and I was just glued to everyone celebrating.

I just have an issue because our church didn't celebrate and it made me really grieve in my spirit. And I just think there's so much disinformation about what has taken place that the church is being silent. There's just it's just so confusing to me right now.

Yeah. And Misty, you know, you're hitting on something which is important, namely that there's a tremendous amount of misinformation before the general public. And and a lot of it's coming from people who really know better. But it is fear mongering. And both sides can be guilty of fear mongering at different sides. I understand the media on both sides, fear mongers all the time.

I understand that. Christian leaders on both sides, secular people, fear mongering is common, but we're watching it in front of our eyes. So the idea is that the overturning of Roe has now banned abortion for all circumstances, even the life of the mother in all states across the union. Of course, that's not what happened. This just now pushes things back to individual states. And those New York, which has horrific pro-abortion laws, those didn't get shot down.

Right. And in Mississippi, which led the way with this Dobbs case. Well, now that law that was shot down is not shot down. Now the pro-life legislation can go into effect. But the anger is such the fear is such the rage is such that some believers like, well, we should temper or Thanksgiving. No, this is a time to be shouting praises to God and on our face weeping with Thanksgiving.

That's something so monstrous and so evil and so destructive in so many ways in our culture that was here for almost 50 years. It's miraculous that it's overturned. God never spoke to me, gave me a promise or word that I would live to see it overturned. The other things I do believe he's promised me, but I never got a specific promise from God that I would live to see it overturned. That means I was praying, I was hoping, I was crying out with others, I was joining with others, I was supporting. My role has really been to support the leaders that have been on the front lines and to be a voice for them. But to see it happen, yes, we should be thankful and praising God. And it should have been a point of Thanksgiving in your local assembly on Sunday. Hey, Misty, thank you for calling in.

I appreciate it. 866-344-TRUTH. Let's go to Andrew in Gaithersburg, Maryland. Welcome to the line of fire. Hello? Go ahead, sir. Hello. Oh, hey, Dr. Brown. I too am very happy about the decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

And there's also one thing that went wrong. Can you hear me? Go ahead, please, keep talking.

All right. But when I was at work or something, well, actually my parents who I work with said that the same Supreme Court is, that overturned Roe is the same that's allowing guns to allow people to kill one another. And when I heard that, I found it bizarre because it was not because not only did he say that he was against abortion, but just the overall vibe was kind of a buzzkill in my opinion.

So it's been kind of difficult. Yeah, but the fact is the the major gun ruling from the Supreme Court was just saying that New York laws went too far and violated Second Amendment rights. That's all against just a legal ruling that the court is saying we need to uphold what's written. Yes, we should be having a healthy national debate over access to certain guns. And we're all types of weapons included in the Second Amendment. And can we do a better job with background checks? And what can we do to save lives and keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them? And there should be a healthy discussion across America.

The Supreme Court is not to come out and we are every we want every 18 year old to have an AK 47. No, it's so don't let anyone compare apples with oranges. Don't let them throw that at you. All right. Just say, here's the ruling. Let's focus on that, because that is of massive importance. It's that simple. It's that simple.

Do not get off point. And we're not praising the court for every decision. Right. There are certain decisions that this court made that we found grievous. Even with Trump appointed justices went the wrong direction. Major case last year that we were grieved over. All right. Overall, it's done a lot of good in many, many cases and done what should be done, as I understand what's right constitutionally and on the foundation of our nation. But just focus on this.

Is this good or bad? Well, then let's rejoice. Let's rejoice. And in the secular world, I'm expecting people have a totally different perspective. I'm expecting them to rejoice with me.

I want to sit with them. So why do you feel that way? And let's try to focus. What do you find fault with with Alito's ruling and where where is the constitutional right? The so-called constitutional right to abortion. Where is it?

And if that baby is human being, doesn't that baby have the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness? All right. Hey, thank you for the call. It's six, six, three, four truth.

We go to Michelle in Curtisville, North Carolina. You're on the line of fire. Hi.

Hey. I am definitely pro-life, but I do have a lot of friends that have a lot of concerns that I understand that. Like I have a friend that I had mentioned that there's 12000 foster children out there with maybe 8000 foster family. I'm just in North Carolina because there's not enough people to take care of the children. That was a very good point that, you know, not that I had thought about it before, but it certainly was a very good point. And then, you know, the cost of adoption is an issue.

We have a daughter and her husband who have adopted two children. But it was very costly for them to do that. So I think it's this with this issue. We should go ahead and and refocus our funds and all of that, making sure that these children that are going to be born, which I want them to be born, have someone to take care of them if they're given up or or whatever. That makes sense. Yeah.

Oh, absolutely. And all the ministries organizations that I've worked with pro-life for years, they have been holistic. As those with a pastor yesterday and he started before he turned things over to me, he said, hey, we want to rejoice. Roe v. Wadey said this church stands for life from the womb to the tomb.

So the organizations that that I've worked with, they help the mothers and fathers that want to have their children or they work with adoption agencies and things like that. So and in fact, evangelical Christians and other other conservative Christians are leading the way in adoption movement and many more getting involved in foster care. So I would say, yeah, you're absolutely right.

But here's what's interesting. In many cases, probably most cases, there's no strong, compelling reason for the woman not to have the baby. The majority of abortions are still going to be more convenience related than anything else. So if people really think more, of course, they're unwanted, unexpected pregnancies and things like that. And we don't want to minimize the horror of rape or incest, maybe less than one percent of all cases of abortion. We don't want to minimize one of those. All right.

But in the vast majority of cases, or at least in many cases, the couple can't have the child. So that's where it starts. Right.

And you won't have so many that need to be given up to adoption or that end up in the foster care system. That's one thing. Second, yes, the church needs to continue to step up here.

And that's a constant theme I'm hearing from believers. Let's step up. Let's step up.

Let's step up. Thirdly, I wonder, Michelle, I haven't researched this, but I wonder if babies being put up for adoption decreased after Roe v. Wade. I'm wondering, in other words, did did all these babies being terminated in the womb lower the need for babies to be adopted? On the flip side, what about people waiting for years to adopt children? In many cases, there are more people waiting to adopt. And I've been told if someone wants to have a baby, they can find someone to adopt.

Mother gives birth and right away, that very day, people will be there to adopt. So I think there's a lot more to the story. I'd say, yeah, great points. Let's stand together as a church and make a difference. All right, friends, we'll be right back.

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Ask Dr. Brown, askdrbrown.org. 866-34-TRUTH Newsweek, which has really been posting a lot of articles on both sides of cultural issues and things like that. I've been impressed by what it's been. I've been very surprised, actually, because I would have thought it was just leaning left and posting things in that way as a norm. But there's a lot on both sides. There's an article by Ryan T. Anderson and Alexandra DeSanctis from the Ethics and Public Policy Center. Roe was wrong the day it was decided. The Supreme Court did the right thing.

Read the headline again. Roe was wrong the day it was decided. The Supreme Court did the right thing. And they started the article by explaining what happened with heartbeat bills that were passed in 2019 and then the pushback against them. And now what has happened with Roe. And it's a great article, very useful, clearly written, as you'd expect from the authors. And then another article.

I want to go through this quickly. This is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Suzanne E. Wills, 10 Legal Reasons to Reject Roe. And this is the Respect Life Program 2003.

All right. So this is not a brand new article, but as I've been saying repeatedly through the broadcast, Roe has always been bad law. Casey in 1992, I think I may have referred to as Casey v. Miller instead of Casey v. Planned Parenthood, which is funny because I just did a podcast for one of our missionaries, Eric Miller, and his wife is Casey. So I probably had that in the back of my head. If you're listening like, what?

I think I said that on Friday. In any case, in any case. So the Casey v. Planned Parenthood in 1992 just made things worse. But here are the 10 reasons. It's a lengthy article and lengthy introduction.

I'm just skipping through that. 10 legal reasons to condemn Roe. One, the court's decision in Roe v. Wade exceeded its constitutional authority.

That's number one. Number two, the court misrepresents the history of abortion practice and attitudes towards abortion. Number three, the majority opinion in Roe wrongly characterizes the common law of England regarding the status of abortion. Number four, the court distorts the purpose and legal weight of state criminal abortion statutes. Number five, a privacy right to decide to have an abortion has no foundation in the text or history of the Constitution. And number six. Oh, I skipped.

There we go. Although it reads the 14th Amendment extremely expansively to include a right to privacy to decide whether to abort a child, the court in Roe adopts a very narrow construction of the meaning of persons to exclude unborn children. Number seven, the Roe court assumed the role of a legislature in establishing the trimester framework. And number eight, what Roe gives, Doe takes away. Number nine, the court describes the right to abortion as fundamental. Number 10, despite the rigid specificity of the trimester framework, the opinion gives little guidance to states concerning the permissible scope of abortion regulation. In short, it was a bad decision. And the opinion written by Harry Blackmun was a bad opinion, especially without constitutional foundation. Those of you who are upset with the decision, take the time to read through Justice Alito's decision.

Have I done it? No, I've not done all that. I've talked to legal scholars who've done that and I've read articles about it and read excerpts of it. All right. But I myself am not a legal scholar, so I'm again gleaning from others so that I can just simplify it for everyone here. Otherwise, if I start getting into the depth of this decision, no one will be able to fight except for the lawyers out there. All right.

But there are plenty of articles laying it out. Show us, those of us who are rejoicing, show us on a legal, constitutional basis why the decision is wrong. All right. 866-34-TRUTH. I want to go back to the phones. Let's go to James in Atlanta, Georgia.

Welcome to the line of fire. James, are you there? Oh, sorry.

Go ahead. Hey, Dr. Brown. How are you? Doing fine. Thank you. Dr. Brown, I just, I wanted to bring up, I know we're talking about just, I don't know if you're aware of Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

What about? I know this is going to sound strange, but I had a, you know, I didn't even know who he was, but I had a dream about him about two years ago. And I know this is so strange, but I had a, you know, I personally, I voted for Donald Trump and everything, so this was very out of nowhere. I actually had a dream that he was an antichrist. I'm not saying this is real.

I don't take it. But I should do some research on him, and I don't know if you're aware, he's doing all of these Abrahamic Accords. He has an organization, Abraham Accord. He's an Orthodox Jew. He's an Orthodox Jew. His story is well known. His wife, Ivanka, converted to Judaism to marry him.

They're Sabbath-observing Orthodox Jews. I'm just saying that it was very strange. You know, I didn't even know he was doing all these, and it was very strange. Like, in my dream, I, you know, and I voted for Trump, you know, the second time. Well, tell you what, here, just to be helpful here, so we don't get too far off track, just to be helpful, I have crazy dreams all the time. I have bizarre dreams all the time. I have dreams, if they were real, the world would be the craziest thing imaginable, beyond imaginable.

And, you know, I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, or this, just crazy, bizarre, strange, weird dreams. There's nothing prophetic about them. There is nothing prophetic about them. And while Jared Kushner is not a believer in Jesus, right, here, let me just say this. If I had to come up with a list of a thousand people that I expected to be the Antichrist, he would not be on the list. So, just, it was a dream.

Ignore it. And if you're in research, there's just enough stuff about him mainstream, you don't have to try to find out some secret information about him. If anything, he would have been a bit of a more liberal force within the Trump White House. I remember friends who voted for Trump said, we didn't vote for Jared and Ivanka. They would have been considered more liberal.

They would have been more quick to post something, you know, a congratulations on Gay Pride Month or something like that, that the White House wouldn't have done. And so he's what would be called Modern Orthodox, right? So Ben Shapiro would be Modern Orthodox. So you have the Ultra Orthodox, which is much more conservative and observant and would be outwardly in that way. You'd never see Jared Kushner without a yarmulke, and most of the men would have full beards and things like that, you know, other outward identifications. So he'd be Modern Orthodox, probably a little bit to the left of Ben Shapiro, who's Modern Orthodox as well. In any case, some different ideologies, but nothing nefarious there.

It's just a dream. Dismiss it, forget about it, and get on with majoring on the majors. Hey, but thank you for calling in. OK, one other thing. You're going to hear a lot of misinformation in the days ahead. I have an article that's up on our website, AskDrBrown.org, on responding to pro-choice misinformation and disinformation.

In the article, I cover these misconceptions or even lies. You so-called pro-lifers only care about the fetus in the womb. We care about living human beings, about babies and children. Well, again, as I said to a previous caller, pro-lifers are leading the way in the adoption movement. Many are heavily involved in foster care. That's why they do it, because they're Christian. And the pro-life organizations go to LoveLife.org.

Check out LoveLife.org and see if their approach is not holistic. For the vast majority of the people on the right, this is a power struggle between the right and the left, rather than a moral struggle. The abortion system is used for leverage.

It's really all about power. Maybe for political leaders on the left or right who leverage this for political power. I know many key leaders involved in the pro-life movement for decades. And it's about one thing, saving the lives of babies and also helping mothers and fathers. But first and foremost, saving the lives of babies.

This is just one. Now, maybe people are projecting for their own sinful hearts, but this is just a lie that's being put forward. This is all about men wanting to control women's bodies. Well, then why are many, if not most, of pro-life leaders and activists women? Hmm.

And again, I know many of the men involved in the front lines. It's never once occurred to them they want to control a woman's body in terms of why they're doing what they're doing. They're doing what they're doing because of their love for babies, for children, for life. Scientists agree that life does not begin at conception. It's only religious fundamentalists who make that argument. Quite the contrary, as we talked about last week. It's been discovered by recent surveys by secular universities that the vast majority of biologists, and they identify largely as liberal, or many atheists, they agree. Of a vast, over 90%, life begins at conception. Let's overcome lies with truth, hatred with love, anger with the Spirit of God. We'll be back tomorrow.