Two Pandas (11-8-23)

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So glad to have you on a Wednesday drive. It is WSJS, News Talk Sports for the Triad. W.D. watched Blue Chips for the first time last night.

The first thing he told me when I walked in today was, Blue Chips is better than Hoosiers. Now that's a take. W.D., do you stand by that statement?

I do stand by that. I love Shaq in it. Still a hot take on W.D. 's part.

That made me raise my eyebrows. We need to figure out what movie you're going to watch. Next week, though, the nominees. All the President's Men had an election yesterday.

Yesterday was election day. Unforgiven, while you were watching Blue Chips, I watched Clint Eastwood, a Clint Eastwood movie I hadn't seen before. In the Line of Fire, where he's a Secret Service agent. That movie's 30 years old. The Big Lebowski and Superbad.

Vote on X, which movie W.D. should watch. But enough about that. Ever since the promo started airing last week, there have been jokes made about how bad the Bears Panthers game is tomorrow night. Some have been piling on Al Michaels for not sounding excited enough for these prime video games. Here he is, calling an exciting moment, and the cadence isn't really going up. There isn't a lot of energy.

The man's 75 years old. Leave Al Michaels alone, okay? However, because of the trade that was made in mid-March, this isn't as bad of a Thursday night matchup as it's being presented. Bears Panthers, it's a sneaky, compelling game, and here's why. It's the DJ Moore revenge game.

Or if you want to go a little bit more deeper cut, it's the Deontay Foreman revenge game. Just as long as he's active. But staying with DJ, he's having a very good year. 47 catches?

We're about at the halfway point this year. If you catch close to 90 balls with Tyson Bajent as your quarterback for a lot of the season, you're a pretty darn good receiver. Probably one of the 10 best receivers in the NFL. Predictably, when Panthers defensive coordinator Ejiro Evaro was asked how he planned to stop DJ Moore, he was a little dodgy. Will Deontay get the block for the wraps against DJ Moore?

We don't want to disclose that. You know how we're going to match up, but he will be a big part of the game plan. Come on, dude.

Oh, he's going to be a big part of the game plan? Got it. Poor Joe Person. Every week, asking these great questions.

Questions that people want the answers to. And all he's met with is a verbal spiking of the volleyball back in his face. We don't want to disclose that. Then you have the quarterbacks. Bryce Young, he's facing the team that could have taken him number one in the draft if they wanted to. Chicago had the pick. They decided, we're good with Justin Fields.

We're not going to take a quarterback. I don't know if that's going to motivate Bryce Young more. He's got other things to worry about. He just had the worst game of his life on Sunday against the Colts.

It's the first time he's dealing with this short of a prep time in his career. The four-day turnaround. Get back out there.

Figure it out. But that's a compelling piece of this. Going into today, there was a chance that Justin Fields returns to action tomorrow, but the injury report came out today.

Limited participant and practice again. Justin Fields listed as doubtful to play, so expect Tyson Bajent to go against Bryce. Then you got the piece about the Panthers first rounder next year. This is an interesting conversation. What is the best case scenario for the Chicago Bears tomorrow if we're talking about long-term speaking? Neither of these teams are going to make the playoffs.

We know that. Panthers, Bears. The Panthers have given their first round draft pick to Chicago. Carolina, one of two one-win teams in the NFL along with the Arizona Cardinals. Chicago has Carolina's pick. Chicago has two wins this year.

What is best for Chicago? Is it best that they win or that they have Carolina win? If Carolina wins, well, then you have a better shot at finishing with the worst record and you have more control over what you do versus what Carolina does. Carolina obviously with no motivation to finish last. They're not going to be tanking at any point with Chicago owning the pick, so I could see the argument both ways. If you beat Carolina, well, then they remain one of two one-win teams unless with Kyler Murray at quarterback Arizona figures out a way to win this week.

It's just an interesting wrinkle added to the mix. These Thursday night games haven't been all that great. This one's not going to be awesome on the field, but there are enough storylines there that make this a compelling matchup, more compelling than I think it's getting credit for. On X at WSJS radio, that's where you can vote on that poll about what movie WD should be watching next week.

That's where we're streaming video as well in addition to YouTube and Twitch, 336-777-1600, also the number if you want in. WD, we've got skips or plays with Hayes a little bit later on. Do we have a theme for skips or plays with Hayes? Oh yeah, we've got a theme, you know, kind of right along with what you were just talking about since it's Panthers Bears tomorrow night. We're going to go with a revenge theme. Oh, revenge songs.

Gonna do that. Whoa, DJ Moore revenge game, some revenge songs that we can dial up later this week. WD is going to be at North Carolina and Duke. I'm going to be at NC State Wake Forest. We have tickets to State and Wake that we'll be giving away in addition to Green Day tickets later in the show too. So a lot to do, but getting to the game WD will be attending. It's senior night for the Tar Heels.

And here's what senior night has always been about closure and saying goodbye. And for the Tar Heels, that could apply to two non seniors on Saturday. It's likely going to be Drake May's last game at Keenan Stadium. He's probably going to be a top 10 draft pick, maybe even top five. Sam Howell, he left North Carolina. When it was pretty much understood, he probably wasn't going to be going in the top two rounds, ended up being taken in the fifth round.

And look where he is right now, starting for the Washington commanders. If he left, you have to think that Drake May is going to do so too. But it is commendable that Drake decided he wasn't going to go through senior day festivities on Saturday night. He was going to leave that to the seniors.

Here was his logic on that. You know, I've thought about it. And you know, my time here at Keenan has been awesome. You know, just I think senior day personally is meant for seniors. And just when I think back on it, you know, I remember Luke's speech and he was a senior and how heartfelt it was.

And just, you know, that feeling of knowing, you know, as a senior that you won't be back is different than the position I'm at. Makes sense. I like Drake May as a prospect more than I like Caleb Williams. I don't know if the tides going to turn so much that that becomes popular sentiment, but that's where I stand right now.

That's where I'm planning my flag. And I'd be surprised if that changes all that much. But Saturday might also be it for Mac Brown in terms of home games at Carolina too. He's 72 years old.

You can make all the air quote senior day jokes that you like as it relates to Mac Brown. He's the oldest coach in the country. And this season felt like his last shot at it. If you weren't going to win with that quarterback and Gene Chiswick as your defensive coordinator and three, four years of top 15 recruiting classes. Well, when were you going to win? How were you going to win at Carolina?

I'm sure it bummed him out when you lose back to back games and then nobody is in the stands for that game against Campbell this past weekend. If I was Mac, I'd probably retire. You want to try and rebuild this thing with Harold at quarterback or trying to find your guy in the portal?

Man, good luck with that. You can have it. Don't be surprised if that's the case after the season for Mac Brown. So that's quite a bit of intrigue for this Duke Carolina game that the perhaps the greatest quarterback who's ever played in Chapel Hill and the greatest coach for this program could be saying goodbye at the same time on Saturday night.

That's something that could happen. And it's fitting it's against Duke because both Drake and Mac's success against Duke, their successes quite decorated Drake's finest hour as a Tar Heel quarterback came against Duke. I was there at Wallace Wade Stadium last year. Carolina benefited from some officiating calls, some calls late in the game, got the ball back and they went 80 yards or so with Drake in the final 20 seconds hitting Antoine Green for that score that was reviewed. They ended up winning the game. That was the best moment Drake's had as a Tar Heel quarterback. If you disagree with that, tell me one that exceeds that.

Because I don't know what it is. Against your rival on the road, going the length of the field, winning it that way. Mac, he's won 12 in a row against the Blue Devils. His last loss.

This is kind of crazy. You have to go back to the Steve Spurrier game in 89 with the photo on the field, the scoreboard in the background. That's the last time Mac Brown's lost to Duke. All that hanging in the balance on Saturday night, Senior Day.

It's about closure and saying goodbye. And those two non-Senior Day participants, Mac Brown and Drake May, could be saying goodbye as well. Here in the Triad, NCANT UNCG, one of the more fun basketball games that are played all year long. And that's how the Spartans are going to open up their season at the Coliseum Friday night. Remember, the Aggies were at Pitt on Monday.

UNCG coach Mike Jones is now with us on WSJS. Coach Jones, we always hear that the most nerves a coach feels going into a season is that first game before the opener. Because of all the uncertainties that come along with it. Do the butterflies heighten when it's a cross-town rival on the other side?

I'm sure it does for some. The first game is always an exciting game, as you said. But when you throw a game like this where it means a lot to the city and to each school and to each team, I'm sure that the butterflies are a little bit up in that situation. But we try to approach them all the same way, so we'll try to approach this one like every one of them, which is the most important game on our schedule.

The next one. Just looking at your season as a whole, or really your tenure at UNCG, year one you had 17 wins, a winning season. Year two, last year you won 20 games. What goals do you discuss for your guys in year three? Well, you know, I think we try to keep things simple, man. We try to, we use a term, fight for inches within our program. And it basically means just try to get better every day.

And so from my first year as a head coach to this year, which I think is year 13 as a head coach, I've never really varied from that. We just try to get better every day. We obviously want to take a step from one season to the next. But you can't take that step, which is a big step, if you don't take little steps along the way. And the little steps that we try to take is when we walk in that gym today, we want to get better. Does it make it easier to get guys to buy into that and not look ahead when the results are a progression like 17 to 20 that, hey, if you do buy into this, you're going to end up where you want to be? Yeah, I mean, it's so hard to predict, you know, it's so hard to say, okay, we won 17 one year, we won 20 last year, now we got to win 23. Like, you can't control that. The only thing you can control is how you approach each day and how you approach each game. And we try to keep the focus on that.

Their minds are young, you know, young, they're young minds, you know, they can't look five years down the road. So we try to keep that focus right in front of them. But now, man, we certainly want to take a step as a team from year to year.

And, you know, our feeling is that we can only do that if we're focused on the small steps in between. UNCG coach Mike Jones is with us here. A&T UNCG at the Coliseum Friday night.

Hard to imagine better things to do than to be there Friday night, especially here in the Triad. After Friday, you've got two SEC opponents next week, Vanderbilt and Arkansas back to back. Take me behind the scenes as a coach. Let me know how it works when you're putting together non-conference schedules. When do these games get scheduled? How do they get scheduled?

Well, that's a good question. You know, we try to make our non-conference schedule in a way that we can, A, gain confidence going into the league schedule, which is what it's all about in a one-bid league like the SoCon. So the SoCon is one of the better mid-major one-bid leagues in the country, but it's really all about that league schedule. So if we can put together a non-conference schedule that prepares us for that, both in terms of gaining confidence and also in terms of what we're going to see when we get to that conference is how we make our decision based on that. So part of that also has to do with raising money. We have to play these games like Vanderbilt and Arkansas in order to help with our fundraising here in the athletic department, which I'm fine with that.

But part of it goes into style of play and what we might actually face when we get to the SoCon. Mike Jones is with us here. The best basketball stories I've been told personally or I have read in books are about the old ABA.

They're just amazing. And of course, your dad is ABA legend, Jimmy Jones, played, I believe, Utah and New Orleans. I remember you mentioned a couple of years ago before you joined Bullets. What's your favorite ABA story involving your dad? Well, I guess probably the favorite is that he was drafted by the Washington Bullets in the 1967 draft. And because we're in the triad, some people may remember that the person that was drafted by the Bullets that year was Earl Monroe.

Winston-Salem State, baby. Yeah, they only had eight teams in the NBA, so there were only 16 players that got drafted. And so Earl the Pearl went in the first round. My dad went to the Bullets in the second round.

And when my dad saw that, he said, well, you know what, I'd better come up with a different option. So he decided to go play in the ABA. And it was one of the best decisions he made because he got a chance to really grow and flourish as a player. He became one of the best players in the ABA. So I think Earl the Pearl in the triad area helped my dad make that decision, which helped his career.

So to be clear, he's like, oh, Pearl's going there, too. I need to play in the ABA. This is better for me. That's how it worked. Yeah, if he wanted to play as much as he wanted to play. So he might have been able to play, but I don't know if he wanted to have the ball in his hands. He would have had the opportunity to have the ball in his hands as the point guard had he played with the Bullets and Earl the Pearl.

So it was a calculated decision, which turned out to be a good one. You just reminded me, because Earl the Pearl Monroe also gets a ton of mentions in the 90s basketball movie he got game, the Spike Lee movie, that our producer, Will Dalton, has seen none of the good movies. He watched Blue Chips for the first time last night.

I did. It's all Blue Chips. Shaq was great in that. That's it.

Yes, he was. Oh, really? Yeah. And you're just watching it. It just came out a few years ago. Just a few.

Shaq is a little older now. What is your favorite basketball movie? What's the one you go to? Oh, man. Great question.

That's a good question. I love He Got Game. I love that movie.

You know, Jesus Shuttlesworth. Ray Allen, he was a beast. I love Blue Chips, although I haven't seen it in 20 years. And I love Loving Basketball. Loving Basketball. Wow.

Those are three of my favorites. Sports Movie Hall of Famer Omar Epps. You got him in the program. You got him in there, too. Wow. No doubt. That's top shelf stuff.

You know what else is top shelf stuff? ANT UNCG Friday night. Can't wait to see what your team's about this year, Coach.

The way you defend. It's a lot of fun to watch. And we're seeing this program continue to ascend. I hope that continues. Thank you so much for spending the time with us today.

Thank you so much for having me on. We really appreciate it. And we hope that everybody will come out and start the basketball season off the right way here in Greensboro. This movie's almost 30 years old.

1994's Blue Chips. We wanted to do a basketball movie with the season starting this week. This is the one that the audience chose on X. We'll figure out what next week's movie is going to be in just a little bit. Let's not waste any time. Let's dive right in. Oh, Ron Shelton did it again. Same guy who did Bull Durham.

Diving into the inner belly, the inner workings of the college basketball world. It's time for At The Movies with the W.D. Unless you're talking about Star Wars. Obi-Wan has taught you well. Movies aren't exactly Will's thing. I don't get it. You want cups of swine? But that's about to change because Josh can't stand it anymore.

This is At The Movies with Will Dotty. Okay. What did you like about Blue Chips, W.D.? You said it's better than Hoosiers.

It's better than Hoosiers because maybe it's because Shaq was in it and Shaq was fantastic in this, but on a larger scale. What was his name again? Neon Bido or something? Something like that. And on a larger scale, one of my favorite things about this movie was the cameos that were in it. Yeah. How many did you recognize?

Well, you had Shaq. Penny Hardaway was in this, right? See, I'm glad you recognized Penny. I was worried that you would not recognize Penny and we'd all be ripping our hair out at how you didn't recognize Penny. Yeah, I thought that was Penny and then I googled him.

Okay, yeah, I was right. Rick Pitino. That was Rick Pitino?

Yeah. Okay, because I was like... Richard Pitino at the beginning, coaching against Nick Nolte's team. I must have missed the name drop because... Bob Knight. What? Obviously you had Bobby Knight, you had Bobby Hurley.

The week that Bob Knight passed away. That's true. Did you watch a movie where essentially Nick Nolte's character is basically Bob Knight.

Yeah. That's basically who he is and apparently Bob Knight allowed Nick Nolte to follow his team around for a year ahead of doing this movie. You're right, Bobby Hurley in this. You obviously had Larry Bird in the one scene.

Here's where I'll test you. Do you recognize, did you recognize who the AD of the school was, the one that was shooting free throws that couldn't miss? Who was it? Bob Cousy. Okay, that was a little more fuzzy for me. The legendary Bob Cousy and apparently that was not in the script where he's shooting the free throws and Nick Nolte says, Wait, do you ever miss?

Even left-handed? That was actually Bob Cousy just showing off before they were set to shoot something else and Ron Shelton liked it so much that he kept it in the movie. That's how good Bob Cousy is.

The legend. What didn't you like about Blue Chips? It's not even something that I didn't like about it, but something I learned. Apparently Bob Knight almost ruined the whole basketball game scene at the end. How? Because apparently outside of the arena or the gym that they were supposed to shoot it, apparently, which this will come as no surprise, he's so competitive.

He almost didn't want to do it because he didn't want to lose on purpose. I'm surprised that happened. I also am surprised that the NCAA allowed them to use actual schools.

Indiana. Yeah, use Indiana and that Bob Knight would agree to be in this movie that's about cheating in college basketball. Our guy Jim Boeheim is in this movie.

Yeah. The funniest scene of the entire movie might have been when they go to recruit Penny Hardaway's character and the shark, Jerry Tarkanian's there, who's known for being a cheater. And he had the line, oh man, I don't know if we're going to be able to get him into school.

Very well placed line to have Tark deliver that. Would you be helping me get into school if I wasn't going to play ball? Kind of amazing.

No, I wouldn't. Kind of amazing. No Coach K, references or appearances in this movie.

It is. He had already won back to back national championships at Duke at that point. Just kind of interesting that he's not there. Really, the tone of this movie, I didn't really like. I hadn't watched it in a long time.

Like it depicts what happened in college basketball, but now if this movie were made today, everybody would just shrug their shoulders and be like, oh yeah, well. Nobody's really a villain. Like J.T.

Walsh's booster character, he might even be framed as a hero. Whoa. He's got a couple of tens on each side of him and he's giving a bunch of money to the kids because they deserve it. This guy's kind of cool. Back then, not so much.

No, we don't want to give any money to the kids or have them. In the age of NIL, Blue Chips doesn't really age well in that regard. Also the scene where Shaq and the woman are discussing the SAT score. Best scene of the movie. I love that one and then I love what you teased with in the classroom where he stands up. This is culturally biased.

This is culturally biased. Best quote might just be every single thing that came out of Shaq's mouth in the SAT prep scene. It's that, but then the opening rant of the coach when he was pissed.

Oh yeah, and he came back in the locker room three or four times. Stuff you can't say on the radio, but that whole monologue was just great. So why are we here, Neon? Maybe I want to go to college. Maybe I don't. I'll only know when I get there and figure out how much BS there is. It's pretty good. It's like talking about going into the army and he said, I joined the army to invade the Persian Gulf for vacation. So I'll make sense. I'll make my own sense. Shaq is just great in this entire movie.

Those are a few of my favorite quotes from it. 520. You get 400 points for spelling your name correctly. That's it.

He didn't spell his name correctly. All right. Rotten Tomatoes for can you get within five for blue chips? Let's go with an 86. 51. Yikes. Again, this movie doesn't really age all that well.

Shaq does, but the rest of it doesn't. Like the premise, what's the plot of this movie? What's really hooking you in, reeling you in? Oh, kids are making money? Oh, no. Yeah.

In 2023. I could get it. I could see it. And that's been At the Movies with the WD. You're on the drive with Josh Graham. WSJS.

The fancy red panda. You're a fine girl. How I wish you could be mine. But you always disappear after halftime. Hayes Berman of Sports Channel 8 joins us. This is one of his best deep cuts. Pretty good songs. Red Panda probably is top shelf in terms of basketball, halftime, entertainment. Hayes, if I put Red Panda in the same category as Frisbee Dogs and Trampoline Dunkers, where do you think Red Panda belongs? So Frisbee Dogs actually get referenced in that song. Frisbee Dogs and Quick Change also, I believe, get referenced there.

So I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. If you're asking me to actually rank, for me, the entertainment value, that's one ranking, right? But in terms of just person who has made their name synonymous with halftime shows, who has built their brand the strongest, I don't think you're topping Panda. Because it's not like there's one dog.

If it was like, oh, smack, like, you know, Davey the Wonder Dog is in town because he does the stuff that nobody else does. It's like, you know what you get with Frisbee Dogs? And again, I think Frisbee Dogs at times can be more entertaining than Panda. But Panda is like built her brand. I want to start a conspiracy theory that there's like multiple Pandas out there. Dude, you and I might be aligned on this because I went to a Duke game.

He does a lot of games. I went to a Duke game right before, or it might have been the Joel, right before Christmas, three or four years ago. And then I got on a plane, flew out to L.A., and I went to a Clipper game the next night, and Panda was there. She was there. Panda was there.

I think there might be multiple Pandas. The biggest conspiracy theory is, you know this one, right? Magnets. What's that? Magnets, either in the bowls or in the head.

No, no, no. Her show is legit. She's flipping these bowls. She's catching them. It's balanced.

No. The theory is she throws bowls. She drops bowls on purpose. She's taking it down. Being perfect stops the drama. Like, the first time you see her, you're still like, when she does that five bowl, you know, phenomena, you're like, no way, right? But after you've seen her a few times, you're like, she has to drop to make you, like, fully realize how hard this is. And I think she can nail it perfect every time, but she realized just for the act, sometimes, she's got to throw a bowl so that then when she nails it, the crowd's like, oh, yeah, she did it, you know?

This is going to be an excellent breakout video. Conspiracies involving Panda. I got Panda conspiracy theories, yes. So one is, I think we need to check.

I think there may be multiple, much like we figured this out a few years ago. What's the Trans-Siberian Orchestra? There's multiple Trans-Siberian orchestras out there.

And that's like, that's deflating. Because you feel like, you know. Nobody knows the names of the performers, so why not just have two Trans-Siberian orchestras? You got to know, are you getting the A team or the B team? You just don't know. I need to know.

If I'm shelling out 60 bucks for my holiday, you know, I only got so many holiday concerts I can go to. Am I getting the true Trans-Siberian Orchestra? And I think the same question needs to be asked of Red Panda. Are there multiples? You know, they just do the makeup. And does she take a fall like Butch in Pulp Fiction?

And if so, if there are multiples, are we getting the best one at the ACC tournament? Well, I guess Butch didn't end up taking a fall. He was supposed to. Now let's get into Skips or Plays with Haze. It's time for Skips or Plays with Haze.

My mind's still blown by the two pandas theory. It's outstanding. The theme this week, Haze. DJ Moore has a revenge game tomorrow night. So WD has curated revenge songs for you. We'll see where this goes. Because as soon as he told us about this earlier, like earlier in the show, I thought this would be a really deep reservoir of music. I struggled to come up with some. There are some that went to the top of my head, but we'll see where this goes. Is it just all Taylor Swift?

That really might be it. It could all be Taylor Swift. Is Taylor Swift included in this? It's so appropriate that he said that because I was really going to lead this with thinking there's only one person. There's mainly one person you think of when it comes to revenge songs and being songs about being petty at somebody. So it's only fitting that we start with Bad Blood. I do like the bridge on this song.

It's so sad to think about the good times. I never liked this one. I'm giving it a skip. My wife went to go see the eras tour movie and she was pleased.

She was happy with it. I might need to go see that too. It's like three hours. Might do that. Okay, what's the next one? Let's go with a little Carrie Underwood. Oh, this is the first one I thought of.

Before he cheats. Not a karaoke night in the south. Unless somebody gets on stage to sing this song. It's a karaoke hall of fame. If you break up with someone and you go out with karaoke with the girls, you have to sing this song. They're going to make you sing this song. This is a play.

100% play. I feel like every now and then at the international bluegrass... It references karaoke in the song. I just realized. White trash version of Shania karaoke. Yeah, that's what this is.

Every now and then... I need to go research this. I was actually trying to look it up here. At the IBMA, there'll be some bluegrass artists who also made more money. They made more money writing country songs for country artists than they did themselves recording bluegrass music.

They don't mind that. And I feel like one of them was like... I don't know if Carrie Underwood wrote this song herself, but I feel like somebody may have helped her write this song. And I saw them perform and they were like, yeah, we make money off that song still. We'll get royalty checks off that one.

That is definitely a play. Well, I remember I was at... You see these artists, these bluegrass artists at Merlefest that might not mean anything to you, the name. And then they start playing the song that you know that they wrote. Laurie McKenna last year, I remember seeing her. And she wrote a lot of Kacey Musgraves music. She played Girl Crush. That was a Sugarland song, I think, that she wrote, which is fantastic. W.D., didn't you have an ex-girlfriend that keyed your car? Yeah, I might have to actually sing this next time we go to karaoke because I did have an ex-girlfriend key my car because I broke up with her. Allegedly. I've got an amazing car key story that I can't even share on the air.

You can't? We'll come to the Rialto and we'll hear it. Yes. Live at the Rialto when we're out there, we'll try to get the car key story out of Boomer.

You will not believe it when I tell it to you. Wow. Okay.

Well, that's a tease for when that happens. Let's get to the final song of the revenge-themed Skips or Plays with Hayes. We know Hayes loves the chicks, so let's go with some- Like, just chicks or are we talking about the Dixie chicks? We're talking about the Dixie chicks.

Ah. Goodbye, Earl. Oh, the ultimate revenge song?

Are you kidding me? My colleague Jade, one time I think she heard me do the radio spot here at the Rialto and I think we were talking karaoke and then we were talking what people's go-to karaoke song was. And I believe Jade said, Goodbye, Earl was hers. That's an always good one. So, apparently revenge songs make good karaoke songs as well because Goodbye, Earl and Before He Cheats, both good ones. This is a play.

You got to play this song. And you said that was the closing number when you saw them in Greensboro? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

They referenced it in their background video screen now. Every now and then, a car would go by and be like, Earl's coming. Earl's coming. Don't worry. He's coming.

But yes, it was definitely the final number. The key would be to find a revenge song that isn't a breakup song. I mean, rap diss tracks are oftentimes revenge songs.

Is Boots Made for Walkin'? Is that a breakup song? You're So Vain seems like a revenge song. Cry Me A River, Justin Timberlake. That's the one I was going to say, although now that one's got kind of a different narrative to it now. Timberlake maybe taking that one back. Probably.

Wow. Irreplaceable, Beyonce. Yeah, it's a little cheerier.

It's less vicious. I think Rihanna has one too. I forget what it's called though.

I can find another you in a minute. What about, are there revenge songs for like, there's got to be a song or two out there of like, you didn't think I was any good and now I'm a superstar. Somebody's got to write, Ben Folds writes songs about his record label, but they're not like revenge songs. They're more like stick it to the man songs. Yeah, Love Song by, I guess you could do like Love Song by Sara Bareilles kind of applies there since the point of the song is she's not going to write you a love song and still going to. But I'm still trying to remove like, relationship for the entire, oh, is that her talking to the label?

Correct. Yeah, I'm not going to write you a love song because you want one because you asked for it because you need one. That might count like that. That would be the ultimate like revenge song. Revenge is not even about a breakup because the break up, it's like, come on, man. You were just mad. We get that you were mad, but like you weren't necessarily wrong just because there was a breakup. But like revenge for like somebody, a label not signing you and then you wrote a song with a new label about how good you were and the other people miss on you.

That would be a good revenge song. Okay, right now we have a poll question up. Which movie should WD watch for the first time next week?

And here are the four WD or Haze Permar these and there's a lot of variety here. All the president's men. Unforgiven. The Big Lebowski. Superbad. Variety. That's a wide variety.

To me it's C or D. I don't know, man. I think I think he would like Superdad probably a little bit more. It's kind of surprising that somebody who was born in the 90s has not seen Superbad.

Just a little weird. Superbad. You're going to straight up like, you know, gut laugh a few more times like spit take laugh. I have so many lines from that movie. It's unbelievable. It's like Lebowski.

He ever looked into his eyes. It's like the first time I listened to the Beatles. But like Lebowski is a feels like almost more of like in the thousand years. Like Lebowski might be a movie that people are talking about for like to study our culture.

You know what I mean? And it also has like things that you won't be as entertained the first time but like John Turturro's character. We just so many. Nobody bleeps with the Jesus. And just the slow motion scene of him just like bowling is incredible from like costume. You must not be.

You must not be a golfer. Cinematography. Just unbelievable moments.

I mean, John Goodman. Incredible. I don't know. I feel like maybe that's the that's the one.

Even though it can be a little weird at times, but I feel like you got to do it. The Eagles. Yeah. The scene of the tax. We gave away Eagles tickets with a drop. The drop was.

I freaking hate the Eagles, man. Get out of my taxi. Gone. There it is. That's what we did. All right.

Haze Permar. You've done a lot of good in a short period of time. I've. Where could people get your Rialto T-shirts, by the way?

Because we got a few. The Rialto dot com. R-I-A-L-T-O is Rialto.

The Rialto dot com. Go get your T-shirts. Support the cause. We'll have some. We'll we'll we'll do this segment and a T-shirt sometime soon. Excited. All right, Permar. Thanks. Thank you, fellas.