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The cure with Amy Kabul life can bring many difficult situations domestic violence, addictions, poverty and even sexual abuse by your loved ones. Welcome, Amy Kabo and The Cure.

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Not the song we just played. We didn't hear a song, but a song would have played card. Just let let me hold you.

So when I played in my time, there were some technical issues. Sorry.

And of course, it's the Internet thing. Everyone's using it. A lot of things are much easier said than done, guys. And this is inspired from let me hold you. The words that I picked, a lot of things are much easier said than done. And there will always be days that are constantly hard, especially when the future's unknown. And your prayers seem endless just now. That is when God is telling us. Let me hold you and let me take away your hurt. I will always hold you tight every morning to night. We will always experience troubles in life. But what is a world without God? And would it be to be a better world with God in it? Try. Robinson is a preacher. Cowboy takes a different approach when it comes to practicing his faith in today's world. Today, Robinson communicates with passion that embraces his diverse life experiences as the backdrop for the greater purpose to see the world changed for the better. At the very core of this cause is re formation on many fronts. A deep, authentic walk with God, innovative education, ethic, goal, godly leadership and living a sustainable lifestyle that leaves a positive impact on the environment. Driven by a strong faith and passion for the Kingdom of God, Trie has given the greater part of his life to Christian leadership after a profound life changing experience. In 1980, while working among the Keirin Hill tribe people on the border of Burma and Thailand, he and his wife made the decision that tribe would leave public education and enter full time ministry.

They serve for eight years as associate pastors for the Desert Vine Yard in Lancaster, Floren, California. Florida's here. In 1989, they moved to Idaho to establish and build the Pine Yard Christian Fellowship of Voice. Over the next 25 years, Vignette boys grew into a strong. How do you know that?

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From a strong outreach T-shirt with a membership of about 3000 people. They have developed a 25 acre campus of facilities which serves the community around them as well as the world's poor. There will be cowboy and preacher by Walt Fraser is produced Bass and Tris character coming in September. Try. Welcome to the care your now life crusade.

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All right. You have no sound. While we wait for try, I think we're trying to figure out the boys because for some reason we couldn't connect to the radio. Try. Who lives in the mountains? We couldn't see him on video. That's right. And when we're able to connect to the radio, we were able to see him video. Now we can hear him talk. Thank you.

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Can you tell us a little bit more about your story? You have a very interesting story. You take a very unique approach to spirituality. Can you summarize it for us? I believe we're a better source.

Well, you know, I mean, it's been a long it's been a long journey. My wife and I are celebrating three month.

So it's been it's been a good journey, but it's taken us. I'm I'm getting on feedback like I can you can you there there's a microphone. Can you press on it. Yeah, I can hear it on the video.

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Yeah, right, that. Perfect. I think in any way it's been a it's been quite a journey and now that, you know, retired.

We've been retired from whole diversity, international ministry and pastoral ministry here in Boise for about three or four years now. And we're the full time ranchers and trying to really practice what we. Preached for so many years about sustainable living and about the Christian responsibility for creation's care. And so on. And so that's what we're doing now. But as you mentioned, it started in the mission field years and years ago when I went to Thailand and Burma. In those days, it's called Burma, where we were working with him, dried people and reracking guys. We were preaching the gospel and we were teaching English as a second language in the still tribes. And. And one of the things that I recognized so powerfully that it really influenced and changed me was the fact that when the environment goes, it's creates extreme poverty.

And one thing we know as Christians is that we we if we ever responsibility. But, you know, as Christians, it's and it's really to care for the poor and. And therefore, we need to really be concerned about the environments and especially if they can produce. Producer.

Well, his wife. I completely agree, you try. But you're a very unique person. You were a teacher and you loved teaching, but then you became a preacher, a cowboy preacher at that. But you you made your own sustainable life sustaining where you grow your own food and your dear you have your own independence. And I understand that everything that God has created is precious. And as such, we should take care of it and respect it. But how were you able to to grow your own food? And where did you get these ideas? What was that pivotal point in your life where you felt this was the best way to go?

You know, when Nancy and I first got married, 1970, I had partially raised on an inherited a ranch in Southern California and the amount of Southern California.

In fact, this is the very place that this horrible fire is burning. We moved there and it is out.

I was trained to be a teacher and was looking for a job, didn't have a job at the time. So we moved down to this old homestead. My family for generations and there was no running, was over. There was running water springs and water, no electricity.

And so we really were living had to learn to live with the land we about. And we just learned the joy of love. Just remember the fly.

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OK. So that was the third song. And we don't know what's going on. But here's an interesting fact. Whenever we want to talk about God. Oh, we're trying to do something good. At least my experience trying to do something good. Something usually frustrates me. Something usually goes wrong. Something usually tries to discourage me. That pickpocket pocket never let go. You know? So it's expected, guys. Just bear with me. Or you could just call it technicalities. Fine. Let's call it technicalities, difficulties.

And we have to go back. But we've got tieback. OK. So you guys were talking about. I don't know what.

Let's see. Well, I asked you that. That's a big leap. I mean, it's not that everybody gets up one day and says, OK, people find God and they and they want to share the love. They feel so happy about the great transformation that's happened in their life that they just want others to experience the same thing and they become ministers. And not everybody starts growing their own food.

And so I tried I had like two plants of tomatoes.

Does that count? Aha.

So you bringing me into that world, telling me what it's like. Okay.

Okay. Well, first of all, when we first moved on to the ranch, you know, I had been raised in church.

So as a as a Protestant, Nancy, my wife had been raised as a Catholic and but neither one of us really had a, you know, a real authentic relationship with Christ. And so through the solitude of living in that old homestead together, Nancy, first and then almost seven years later, actually I came to Christ in a very real way. And that's that's what led us to the mission field, working with the extreme poor in Burma and learning the kind of at the heart of God for that, for a broken world and for broken people. And so that was a driving point of my Christianity from the very beginning. And I wanted other people to understand what the rest of the world was going through and and why why it was so important to have an authentic relationship with Christ before we could really actually go in and bring healing to such a broken world. And so I got that firsthand experience of looking at extreme brokenness in people that were just trying to eke out a living. So that led us into full time ministry. And first it was in Southern California. But then, as you mentioned earlier, we went to Boise with a team of about 13 families. Boise, Idaho, from Southern California and started the Boise Vineyard Christian Fellowship there, which has really focused on administering to broken people. So maybe that bridge the gap for you a little bit naive.

And and it's it's just it's beautiful to have a compassionate heart. And, you know, just today I saw on Facebook, there is no God thing. Where is all this love coming from? Where's all this compassion coming from? Where is this good driving force coming from? And it's he's more than real in my life and has proven it to me many times. How were you able to incorporate the environment holistically into your spiritual.

You know what? My wife, he also hooks trees. I and she made me hug one, two.

I love trees, but he made a joke. I said if he had a tree, I'll feel better. But I did feel better and I did feel better.

You know, that's that. There's truth in that. Oh, really? You know, I like your hair.

First of all, of even hearing your heart. We're really living in a broken time. I mean, it's zappers. I think people are questioning God right now because they see, you know, if you think of the fruits of the spirits, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, you know, love and self-control. These are all Christ like attributes. And if you see the definition of love, you know, it's patient. It's. Without arrogance and we're living we're living at a time where there is so much anger, so much arrogance. So everything is opposite in our culture right now.

And it's so easy to fall away. It's so easy. It's always more difficult.

It is. And it's so much better. It's almost so difficult to do the right thing, but it's so much better. I know what it's like the other way around. Please do continue.

Well, my story really started probably especially when it comes to the environment, because I've always being live. Living with the land and spending so many summits, so much time in the mountains. I had a big, huge love for creation. I had a huge love for the natural world. And but there was a disconnect between that and the church, especially back in the 90s. It seemed like there, you know. And I won't go into it. But there was a reason that there was this disconnect between especially evangelical Christianity and the environment. And there were these two camps that were developed. And if you were in the environmental camp, there was a tremendous pushback from the Christian world because it was seen as, you know, anti God in many ways in those days. And so being a pastor with a heart for it was tough. So basically, as a pastor and a pastor of a large evangelical church, I just turned this for many years, said nothing about it. I just kind of changed the subject and just preach the gospel. But around the year nineteen ninety nine, my I had two adult children at the time, young adult children, that it was right around the Gore Bush campaign presidential campaign.

And my kids came to me and they said, Dad, we, we aren't voting in this election because we have nobody to vote for. And I said, what. What is that. What do you mean? And they said, well, if we both vote one way.

We're going to be voting against the whole country. We are going into a break. Stay with us.

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Welcome back and thanks for listening to this year. We are never the Sunday displayed was praying by Keesha. It always reminds me we are never done. How often has God proven Satan wrong? How many times did we make it on our own despite being banned and thrown only to discover how much stronger we become as we had, as we had to fight for ourselves? Truth tellers are often put through hell. And to those naysayers, we say farewell. As long as there's a God. Justice and peace will always prevail and evil will fall just as well. Now your point.

We're attacking H.A. Robinson, who's sharing his advice on how to live a better life with my teeth and my environment. Try. I think it's lovely. I think it's lovely that you found a connection with the environment because it's not about the science. It's all interconnected, all of God's creation. But what is it about you that they made that they were willing to make a movie about you? You know, they only make movies when it's something extravagant, something amazing, something like making a movie about. Give it to me.

Well, I was telling my story a bit ago. I never didn't quite get to the point. But the point was, is that my kids who were young adults, by today's language, we would procol a millennial at that time.

Older now with families.

But they challenged me. They said, you know, Dad, we we never heard any pastor. And they were raised in church who has actually talked about creation, care of the environment, and that this was back in the late 90s. And they challenged me to go to the Bible and and see how much God talked about his creation throughout the Bible and. And challenged me to say something about it from the pulpit. And so I did that.

I mean, I read with it with a green pen.

Actually, I had read through the all the scriptures and I highlighted everywhere that God commissioned people to care for his creation. And I go, man, how have I not seen this more clearly as a pastor, especially a Bible teaching pastor for all of these years. And so I ended up preaching a message. And one of the things we were talking about was the assurance of God and how people know how they become assured that God exists. I mean, you mentioned a minute ago somebody you saw on the air that said that they didn't.

They said there's no God believe in God anymore. Yeah. And in Romans one, Paul. Right. Just as you know, man is without manners. Without excuse. From from knowing God because he's revealed himself through all that he's created. Let me read. Let me read it to you. Like, see it. And I realized that, you know, as a as a pastor, I had been missing one of the most powerful points of evangelism, really, because there's so many people that they say, well, I you know, I feel God more closely when I'm in the mountains or in the wilderness.

And here here's what Paul said. He says, for for the truth about God is known to them instinctively.

God has put the knowledge of this knowledge in their hearts. In other words, that's a crazy ass that says, you know, God has put the assurance of God in the hearts of men. But from the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and the sky and all that God made. They can clearly see the invisible qualities as eternal power and his divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

So in other words, the creation is one of the most powerful channels to come into the understanding of the power of God and the presence of God and the nature of God, because that's why we call it, you know, Mother Nature. It's really it's really a father God's nature, you know.

I mean, it's like to God that we reveal. It's like a mother.

It's like a mother, two eyes. Really? Because I. I always believed that God provided everything that we need. We may not be aware of everything that he's provided to us, even our knowledge. Even if we don't read the Bible, if we get close to him and we're open to him. And what is nature? And the environment was therapeutic for us.

At least it's for me when I go for a try. And so we have to take care of these things because God I mean, look at all the medicines that we get. We get from fun, the environment, from plants, from herbs. I mean, it's incredible. God did not just give us a beautiful world, but we are a world within ourselves.

And so. No, Amy. Yes.

You're right. You're absolutely right. And when you think of what we're doing to the environment, we're actually heal, hurting human health. You know, Jesus. You know, he he said that. He gave us this condition. And in Matthew 25, you know, when he said, you know, I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. And so on. And they said, when when Jesus. Where were you ever hungry? When were you ever thirsty? Or when were you ever in prison or when, you know, when were you ever an immigrant or an alien? And and he said it was you did it the least of these. You did it to me. In other words, as we minister to to humanity in these ways with food and water and and visitation in prison and know is opening our hearts and are our lives to other people, we're actually worshiping. It's a form of worship in. And it's not only that because he said, you know, this was the separation of the sheep and goats. I mean, this literally was a deal breaker in terms of the Christian life. That is, as we saw in these ways of caring about the food that we're giving people and the water that we're going to go. We're providing we're we're ministering not just the people, but we're ministry on to the Lord. And so, you know, you think about that. He didn't say to give polluted water and to give food that wasn't nutritious to people. I think he wanted the best and tried that reason.

We need to care for these things.

NGOs say that many churches are big, are beginning to create community gardens, especially during Colvard. Do you think that's a good start? Could you tell me a little bit about creation care?

Yeah, I know the Boise Vineyard. We have a large campus and we have a huge organic garden is not just a garden, it's an organic garden. Because the food that we give people in our community, especially people who are really struggling right now, are really hurting right now.

Like you mean like vegetables that really get spoiled in today's instead of being, like, injected with the God knows what. That Staveley, like, fresh, supposed to live forever.

And is it just best to have this kind of day? We're not vegetarians.

Well, they have me, right. You have goats stuff later, cows, gap cow.

Any goats do they should I mean, it should be environmentally pure. And the water we give people, you know, you think of Flint, Michigan and some of these places. I mean, that's not the kind of water I think God really wants us to give to the poor. You know, he he wants us to give the best and to care for the best.

And if we ruin this Earth, there'll be nothing to do. Yeah. And we are I mean, we are there's we know that there's a even with all of the crisis that we're experiencing right now as a nation and as a world, it's really just the beginning.

In many ways of potentially a season that will be much more difficult, especially, I believe one of the storms I see brewing on the horizon is, is world hunger.

And we're seeing more and more sustainable as you are. Do you need to go to the grocery store or anything at all?

I think you always need. Yeah, I mean, we do of course, we have to get staples and whatnot. But we know that the food that we produce is it's healthy. It's healthy food. That's good.

But do you think this is a great idea and a great opportunity for you? But do you think this is something that can actually feed the whole population or earth? We are a lot of billion people and not all of us at arms.

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They are so tight. How can parents get into a conversation about faith and incorporate the environment as well?

Not do one without the other. You know, families these days are going to care.

Well, now, with the current situation is that maybe we are why we shouldn't let them go to camp. That's idiotic. People should go to camp. What did you think? Right.

I said, you know, the more that we expose our children to the creation. Yep. The more they're going to really see the connection between the creation and the Lord.

Absolutely. I mean, yes, because you don't talk back to you. They're not mean to you. They are hurt. You, the environment only beneficial. Come on, guys.

We heard that you made a bear. How about bear or wolves? They still exist somewhere.

Well, we live in Idaho up here. There's plenty of bears and wolves up here. They ate potatoes, but it really wasn't.

It was my children, in a sense, that led me to this understanding of the connection between the Bible and God's creation and how important it was. I think today in today's world, millennials, when they see that the church push back on environmental stewardship or they see that the church endorsing anti environmental stuff, they they lose faith because they know that, for example, climate change, they know it's real. And then they see the church push back on that day. They they feel that Christianity is irrelevant.

Well, the problem with that is that they think I mean, they're we sure they see with the climate changes the whole pushing of the concept that is too dangerous immediately, like we're going to die in 12 years and then it's feet up on zero mongering.

Man cannot control climate. Only God can we just like to leave that there. OK. So let's talk about your movie. Let's talk about your movie. Okay. Well, then I watched the movie. It's Cowboy and Preacher. Yeah, right. Oh, cowboy. A cowboy and a preacher. The two and two. I've never heard of a cowboy preacher.

There you are. Right. But then again, I've never seen a real musclebound priest either. He's got a gun in the back. See, there you are. Oh, boy.

Let me let me explain that, because I'm I'm actually not in the in the film. Oh, I'm this rancher. And there is this man, Will Frazier, who's from London, England. Okay. And he he is he's actually in the beginning. And this is a true story. I mean, basically cowboy preacher as it is a true story. First of all, he always had a fascination with the American West. Right. And so he always he wanted to be a cowboy, still drawing as a kid.

But he was also an organist in a large church in London. Protestant church and one and then one of his big lead roles. And but he did not order. And he struggled because of this issue. He saw the world. Going into major environmental decline and was struggling with the understanding of why American Christianity was so airtight and his perception environment.

Well, maybe the same way that there's riots today and they're destroying buildings and setting everything aflame. And because there is a lack of God in America is what it is. Not only America. It's not just Christianity, in your opinion, destroying the environment. But then there's people burning buildings and destroying and killing people. And wow. I mean, yes, we need more God in our life. Thank you very much. We need God.

The story I'm telling is really took place about more than 10 years ago. And I was actually teaching a conference at Oxford and he rode a bus all the way to Oxford, defying me because I had written a book called Saving God's Green Earth. And in just about 2004. And so he had read the book. And he he came all the way over and he actually was a film producer.

And he confessed to me, as you know, this is one of the reasons I don't really know God is because I've been so disillusioned with the church and its attitude towards the creation, his creation. And he said that someday I'd love to make a film about your your life in the West, you all of the United States. So I live up here on this ranch in Idaho.

And so the film is really about a true story of how he came to Idaho to live on our ranch and to really spend time with my wife, Nancy and I and find the connection between the creation and and in a relationship with God. And the truth of the matter is that through this experience, he did. And that's really what the film is about.

One of the best times that I ever had was when I worked for the environmental fellowship in my college years. And I helped to rebuild Cape, Florida, when it was destroyed by the hurricane. Planting trees and things like that. There's something very beautiful in that. And unfortunately, sometimes we cut off our nose to spite our face. We don't realize that we're hurting ourselves or hurting our environment or hurting the world that we live in. And all we have to do is be, you know, just take care of ourselves and take care of our environment and be respectful of one another and be respectful of the things that God provided to us and be respectful of what God has created. And if if we only prioritize that, then we wouldn't be having conversations about, you know, this climate change or that, you know, these things wouldn't be happening. You know, if only people put God first and gave equal respect for everything within normal confines, then we wouldn't then these issues would not come about well.

And it's just it's just a matter of education, of letting people know that, you know, everything that God created is precious.

That's basically what it means.

You know, Amy, for example, was the sanctity of life.

You know, when you think of a lot of times as Christians, when we talk about the sanctity of life, we're talking about the preborn and just valuing, you know, life from that stage.

But really, the sanctity of life isn't just the preborn. I mean, it's also our children and their grandchildren. And it's it's all life. Yes. And if we live on an earth where we don't value God's creation, we're really coming against the sanctity of life. Because really, life can't exist if this earth doesn't carry on. And don't you know what we need to feed people.

And like you said, we we need cures. We need health. And all of these things are tough. When you don't have a healthy water, you don't have healthy air, you don't have healthy food.

Just need we do need to teach everybody to grow their own, to grow their own food.

Well, if it's possible, anyway, we have only a few minutes left. So thank you. Try for being on the cure, but it does very helpful to hear your story and advice and more information on Andre Roberson can be found on to.

I'm sorry. I'll try. Andre Robinson.

That arc and tragedy, Borrus. And thank you and God bless you for what you do.

And one more thing. Try. We always finish with a prayer. Since you're a pitcher, you like to help us out with a prayer. We have only one minute in one minute with one prayer.

Thank you. Thank you, Lord. And I thank you for Amy. And I thank you for borers. And I thank you for their hearts for this broken world.

I say to you, Father, that they just they care about these things so deeply in the human spirit. We pray that through them and through this work that they're doing that lord many we come to not just an awareness of you. But a relationship with you, a deep relationship, a healing relationship. And that you would just come by the presence and the power of your spirit through their words and their pride, just to bless all that, all that. Here is a commitment to you and their station to you.

Amen. Well, thank you. And God, please be there for all those who are suffering in strength and give them comfort. Amen. Thank you. Also to our audio producer, Jasper, for being with us today. Thank you for these desperate Ignacia. Came through. And thank you for playing my songs. This sure sounded great. Thanks to Robbie Gilmore, also from Kingdome. Proceed in the Christian car guy for his continuing leadership guidance and his love for others that a kid in his shows which actually implemented inspiring. And Alison, this is Jamie Catoe. You have been listening to The Cure.

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I think the destruction of the environment is the most important issue facing us all. And as a Christian, I believe we have an individual duty to protect the life of this world.

What baffles me is that many Christians doubt the importance of protecting what we have been given.

I know that at some point I will have to explain to my children why their world is degraded and what I did or didn't do about the problem, since it is greed, people wanting what they want.

Wanting wanting it for themselves and not thinking of future generations.

Therefore, I am making a film that presents in Christian terms why we need to save the environment. If Trie is the man to unite people around this issue, then who is he?

Seemed like everybody was an environmentalist in the sixties. We all had concerns. And that's where really we started hearing this thought. Well, it's all going to burn anyway, so we need to put it together.

Christianity and the idea of environmental stewardship.

Jeremiah had prophesied. If you don't care for the land, you're going to be taken into bondage. The first to suffer are the poor. If anybody's responsible for the poor, it's the followers of Christ. I always thought Christianity was a verb. It had to show action. Is it state of being? There's been something.

My heart, and that is to see the church move out into issues of compassion, justice and lives.

So the question remains, how can we learn? Will we learn? Or will we learn, too? Like.