Margaret Sanger and the History of the Death and Depravity Revolution

Margaret Sanger in the history of the death and depravity revolution. That is the topic we'll discuss today on the Christian Worldview radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ.

I'm David Wheaton, the host. The Christian Worldview is a non-profit, listener-supported radio ministry. Our website is thechristianworldview.org and the rest of our contact information will be given throughout today's program.

As always, thank you for your notes of encouragement, financial support, and lifting us up in prayer. It's been said that ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims. Ideas are the causes of actions in the world, for better or for worse, and the Christian should know from God's Word that sinful ideas come from unregenerate minds. Romans 8 says, the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

That's Romans 8 verses 7 and 8. The death and depravity we see all around us in our culture, particularly millions of aborted babies, all manner of sexual and gender perversion, and suicide and the increasing incidence of euthanasia, are the direct result of ideas from minds that hate God and His truth and His design. As shown in a new documentary film titled The 1916 Project by executive producer Seth Gruber, the wicked lineage of this God-forsaking worldview in America is built block by block upon well-known names like evolutionist Charles Darwin, abortionist Margaret Sanger, and pervert Alfred Kinsey, and many other lesser-known influencers such as Thomas Malthus, Frances Galton, Havelock Ellis, and Emma Goldman. Gruber reveals in the film how these men and women are the reason why abortion today is seen as, quote, my body, my choice, or love is love, or gender is fluid, and, quote, children need to explore their sexuality at the youngest ages, unquote. Seth Gruber joins us today in the Christian worldview to discuss Margaret Sanger and the history of the death and depravity revolution in light of his 1916 Project documentary film. This is our new featured resource and we'll tell you how you can order it today for a donation of any amount. Christian worldview partners of $25 or more will automatically receive the film unless they specify they don't want to be sent resources. Now in watching the film and interviewing Seth, you'll notice right away that he is a forthright man.

He doesn't mince words. And I think that is important to wake us up to how abortion and sexual depravity have become embedded in our culture around us to the point where we almost deem it normal. But it's not normal, but rather exceedingly sinful and offends the holiness of God, not to mention harming and killing people who are made in the image of God. So at the beginning of the film, Pastor Jack Hibbs from California gets right to the source of the death and depravity. Why is it all of a sudden our school boards are sexually charged to confuse children? And why is our culture, even our doctors, are going against parental rights and mutilating children?

What in the world is going on? Satan always goes after the young, always the young. And it's the battle for the soul of not just America, this is the battle for the soul of the world. Abortion is the number one abomination to Almighty God. I think he's made that crystal clear. Go and study the actions of the ancient deities and what they required. This is ancient stuff. He warned Israel over and over again. He would forgive a lot of stuff, but he said, forbid not. Never allow your child to pass through the fire as an offering to Moloch or Remfen, the pagan gods of the ancient world. Now we know as believers that those are demons. God says, you have covered my land in blood. You have sacrificed your sons and daughters.

And for that, I will hold you accountable. Again, that was Pastor Jack Hibbs from California. He said, Satan always goes after the young.

And it's true. Look at abortion. Look at the sexualizing of children. Abortion, he said, is the number one abomination to Almighty God. It's like they did in the times of the Bible, offering their children to Molech.

They could hear the screams of the babies and they'd play drums to drown out the screams of the babies being offered through the fire to the false demon god of Molech. So just know that the death and depravity culture you see, whether on television or on social media or in your local school or wherever you see it, this is a spiritual war of Satan against God. Satan is just driven to destroy as many people as possible so they will not be saved. And Christians need to realize this is a spiritual war and put on their spiritual armor, as it says in Ephesians chapter 6. Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.

That's what we need. Put on the full armor of God so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. Here's where it describes the war. Verse 12, For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, against other people, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Verse 13, Therefore take up, here's what we need, take up the full armor of God so that you will be able to resist in the evil day and having done everything to stand firm.

We are living in evil days, very evil days, and President Trump isn't going to be able to fix that and doesn't have an executive order for that. When you see public schools with sexually explicit books for children, or politicians and doctors telling you that sex change surgeries can make a boy a girl or vice versa, which is impossible, and couch it as gender affirming care, or when you hear abortion supporters bragging about killing their babies, just know what you are watching is people wittingly or unwittingly who are deceived by the devil and doing his bidding. Christians and pastors, whether we are willing to face it or not, there is a raging war for the souls of men and women, boys and girls. And so Christians and the church need to be proclaiming boldly the truth of God's righteousness and also his forgiveness through Christ.

And we'll talk more later in the program about the various roles we all can play. But first, let's hear another sound clip from the 1916 project about how none other than Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany was greatly influenced by these American depravers. Over 100 years ago, on November 9th, 1923, Adolf Hitler gave his famous speech and attempted coup here in Munich on these steps between these two lines. He was arrested, spent months in jail, and it was in those deliberative months in jail that he began to build what would become the Third Reich. He begins to build his eugenic vision and his philosophy of the fit and the unfit.

While in prison, he's not just twiddling his thumbs. He's actually poring over the writings of people like Lothrop Stoddard, who was a founding board member for Planned Parenthood, whose book The Menace of the Underman is where the Nazis got the term Untermensch, or subhuman. He begins to pore over the writings of eugenicists in America, many of whom sat on Margaret Sanger's board, were financiers of Planned Parenthood, who so looked up to what would eventually happen here with the slaughter of the unfit in Germany, that one such thinker who wrote for Sanger a certain Leon Whitney of the American Eugenic Society was saying the quiet part out loud and said, while we Americans were pussyfooting around, the Germans were calling a spade a spade. That's where the intellectual journey of what would become Nazi Germany began was Hitler, after his failed coup attempt here in prison, poring over the writings of Margaret Sanger's best friends. Adolf Hitler, poring over the writings of eugenicists in America.

Eugenics is the idea that some people are not fit to live, and the master race can choose which people are worthy to continue living in this world. And so he said it was Margaret Sanger's best friends who were influencing Hitler. Now remember, Margaret Sanger is the founder of what became Planned Parenthood.

The first clinic she opened was in 1916 in Brooklyn, New York, hence the name of the film The 1916 Project. But then Seth goes on in the rest of this audio clip to talk about two genocides taking place, one in Germany that ended and one in America that continues. Today, Hitler and Nazi Germany are rightly universally hated and condemned for their genocide against the Jews and other minorities in the 1930s and 40s.

However, Sanger and Planned Parenthood have been responsible for the genocide of tens of millions of the most vulnerable and marginalized people group in the world, unborn children. Two genocides, both the result of the same bad ideas and the same movement that has resulted in such deadly consequences and countless victims. But one of these genocides continues today, while the other one ended, because good people did the right thing.

Again, that was Seth Gruber in the 1916 Project film. Two genocides, one genocide ended in Germany, and one genocide continues today in our own country and other countries around the world. And what other term could be used other than genocide?

That's a loaded term, yes, but it's accurate. Genocide is a high scale killing of a particular group. 65 million preborn human beings have been killed in this country since 1973 when abortion was legalized. This killing is taking place every day behind closed doors in clinics across our country, just like the killings in Germany took place behind the closed doors of prison camps and Christians and churches mostly stayed silent for fear of reprisals from the Nazis. This is why we titled the program today, The History of the Death and Depravity Revolution. There's a thread that goes through it all over the last more than 100 years. And when you watch the film, you'll see the lineage of these depravers who are building on the ideas of one after the of one after the other.

Okay, just one more short clip from the film before we get to the interview with Seth. Darwin was right, survival of the fittest, the strong will survive while the weak will die. And if Christians and preachers can't stand up against what is fundamentally false religion, then who will? This revolution and culture of death transcended American borders and boundaries and eugenics was responsible for the slaughter of tens of millions of innocent human beings in the 20th century alone. Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Mao Zedong and Margaret Sanger would shed more innocent blood in the 20th century alone than all the murderers, tyrants and warlords of human history before the year 1900 combined. This is what we mean by the culture of death. It is the culture of death. And if Christians and preachers like Seth Gruber said there can't stand up against this false religion, then who will?

No one will. And it is a false religion which has an object, a God to worship, and that God is Satan himself. Now before we take our first break here, to be clear, saving physical lives or ending abortion is not the highest Christian priority. Proclaiming the gospel, growing in sanctification, discipling our families, soundness of the local church are the top priorities of the faith. But trying to save innocent lives in the name of Christ is certainly a God-honoring work and there are ways that all of us with our various gifts can do that work. Ephesians 2 10 says, for we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works.

We're not saved by good works, we're saved for good works which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. When we return from this two-minute break to tell you about some ministry resources, we will hear from Seth Gruber. You can order the 76-minute DVD of the 1916 project film for a donation of any amount to the Christian Royal View.

Our contact information will be given during this break and the DVD will be shipped in the month of May. I'm David Wheaton and you are listening to the Christian Royal View radio program. We need to remember that as our Savior hung upon that cross, extended his arms and bore those stakes in his hands and his feet, that crown of thorns on his head, he was paying for our sin, our sin put Christ on the cross.

We need to pause before we indulge in sin, look at the cross, look at what the Savior did to redeem us and say, I can't sin against the Savior who did that. That was Emile Zawane, President of Living Waters and author of our new featured resource, Fight Like a Man, a Bold Biblical Battle Plan for Personal Purity. This important book is softcover, 272 pages and retails for $17.99. For a limited time, you can order it for a donation of any amount to the Christian Royal View.

To order, go to thechristianrealview.org or call 1-888-646-2233 or write to Box 401 Excelsior, Minnesota 55331. The Overcomer Course is designed to help young adults gain clarity and conviction on the most foundational issues of life and the faith. Day one sessions address salvation, the authority of scripture, life purpose and spiritual growth and discipleship. Day two sessions present God's design on time, work and money, sex, singleness and marriage, the local church and overcoming temptation. Between sessions, enjoy fellowship, food and fun at the farm, including activities and games, cookouts and espresso bar, trail walks, bonfires and more. Tell the young adults in your life about the Overcomer Course Friday, Saturday, June 20th and 21st at Stonehouse Farm in Jordan, Minnesota.

To foster personal connection, the course is limited to 40 men and women age 18 to 28. Full details and registration at thechristianrealview.org or call 1-888-646-2233. Welcome back to The Christian Worldview.

I'm David Wheaton. Be sure to visit thechristianrealview.org where you can sign up for our weekly email, The Christian Worldview Journal monthly print publication, order resources for adults and children and support the ministry. Our topic today is on Margaret Sanger and the history of the death and depravity revolution and our guest is Seth Gruber, executive producer of the 1916 project documentary film. Seth, thank you for coming on the Christian Worldview radio program today. Before we get into your film, the 1916 project, just tell us about your background, how God brought you to saving faith and what your life is like now.

Yeah, thank you David. I was born and raised in a Christian family, Christian home in Los Angeles. I was homeschooled through eighth grade and then begged my parents to go to public high school because I wanted to be a sports jock and be popular and have lots of friends. So ran off to public high school and my senior year I did my senior project on abortion because I realized I actually didn't have a lot of good answers to a lot of my pro-abortion sort of lefty friends back when a time when you could kind of still be friends with people who disagreed and they didn't want to throw you into like a Bernie Sanders gulag. And so my high school in Los Angeles told me I could not pick the topic of abortion.

They said there are certain topics we don't allow people to pick and so you can't do that. And I said, well, here's a copy of the constitution. You're making me read in government class.

I recommend you read it or you're going to have a lawsuit on your hands. I threatened to sue my public high school at 18 years old my senior year in the Christmas of 2009 for viewpoint discrimination. And they backed off real quick. I then went off to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara. I didn't know it was so bad at the time called Westmont College and found that there were pro abortion professors on the faculty.

And I started the first pro life club there. All that to say, unfortunately, I learned my two most important lessons from a very early age and from a Christian college, which is that the problem isn't necessarily a bunch of evil people out there in the world, David. The problem is believers who ought to know better, who are doing more to raise up the next generation of progressive Christians with a little bit of orthodoxy sprinkled in than they are standing for pure and undefiled religion. And so everything we do at my ministry, the White Rose Resistance, is to awaken and mobilize the church to rebuild Christian resistance against a culture of death before it's too late. That's kind of how I got involved in all this.

Seth Gruber is our guest today here on The Christian Real View. Just before we get into some of the audio clips from the film, why did you title the film The 1916 Project? It sounds like there's a correlation to the more liberal 1619 Project. And tell us about why your organization is called the White Rose Resistance. The White Rose Resistance is the story of a bunch of kids in their 20s that were an anti-Nazi Christian resistance movement in 1942 and 1943. And pretty much all of them were Christians, and they just became horrified at what they saw happening. And so they began to distribute anti-Nazi leaflets around Germany.

They said things like, if you know, why do you not act? They said, we are the White Rose Resistance, we are your bad conscience, and we will not leave you alone. And it's just an inspiring story, not very well known here in the States, but these people are national heroes in Germany, because they actually did something. They pushed back, they stood up, they spoke out, and they tried to mobilize others to stand against what they saw happening with Hitler. And so we took kind of that movement and name for our organization, because we believe we're facing a very similar human rights injustice and violation with the killing of babies in America and the deterioration of the family.

And like it was then, so it is today, only the church is going to be able to bring a grinding halt to that if the church will wake up. The movie I made last year, the 1916 Project, yeah, we did a play on the New York Times 1619 Project. And it's not just funny because it's switching the letters. There's actually like a philosophical and cultural relationship between the two projects.

And I'll say it as shortly as I can. But that came out at the end of 2019, the 1619 Project, right? Everything's racist, all this stuff, right? That was about nine months before George Floyd. Once that happened, and the leftists were burning down every major Democrat-run city in America, people in the media came out and started, I don't know if you remember this, they titled, they named, we call it what the mostly peaceful, somewhat fiery summer of 2020. They were referring to it as the 1619 Riots. So they were linking the project, which said, you know, there's nothing redeemable about America. It was started in abject overt racism. And so you can't redeem it.

It's you got to burn down the whole thing, remake it from the ashes. They're linking that outrage and that violence and those quote unquote protests, which are really riots, to that project saying, see, this is why this kind of behavior is justified, because the white man still has his knee on the neck of the black man and everything is racist or whatever. Well, then that summer of 2020, you'll remember the left started targeting corporations, institutions, companies, colleges, anything that they argued had a history of racism or was launched in or began in racism. And so in that environment, the left went after Planned Parenthood, David, that's right, not conservatives, because the revolution always eats its own pro-abortion leftists attacked Planned Parenthood in the summer of 2020.

While they were attacking anything they said was racist. And they said, hey, Planned Parenthood, hey, your founder was a racist. And so it leads to this whole like news story, where the Sanger Center, the Manhattan mega mega Planned Parenthood clinic, which by the way, Planned Parenthood selling that building right now, they can't afford to pay the lease because Trump started defunding Planned Parenthood. They came out and said, okay, we're taking her name off the building. They renamed the building, so it didn't have Sanger's name on it. New York City took the street sign off of the corner of that same street where Planned Parenthood building sit that was called the Sanger Center.

They took that down. And then they stopped giving out the Margaret Sanger Award, which you'll recall Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, I mean, Kamala Harris was trying really hard to get the Margaret Sanger Award. And so because of the pressure from the 1619 project revolutionaries going around saying, everything's racist. But thanks to them, Planned Parenthood admitted in the summer of 2020, yeah, our founder was a real piece of human vermin. And we're not going to give out her award anymore. And we're going to take her name off of our building. So I opened my film and book with the question, what's so bad about her that the left had to go cancel their own and eat their own? What's the real story? What's the real history behind the woman who's been called the patron saint of feminism, and the founder of the largest abortion provider in the world, the second largest provider of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, and the largest provider of the pornographic filth called comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools?

And we answer that question. Yeah, and it's done very well. And Margaret Sanger is a big focus of your film, the 1916 project. And Seth Gruber, the executive producer of that film, is our guest today here on the Christian worldview. Seth, here's a soundbite from the beginning of your film, where it describes the thread of this death and depravity revolution that's taken place in our country. How did we get here? Over 65 million murdered unborn children in America since 1973, gender confused adolescents mutilating themselves at the applause of our federal government, pro-life sidewalk counselors being arrested, parents who speak at school board meetings being labeled domestic terrorists by the federal government.

We're all asking the same question right now, aren't we? How did we get here? What bred this culture of death that is targeting my children and my family? What happened to the Christendom that I knew and the robust family culture in America?

The answer is that things happen gradually, then suddenly. The disciples of the New York Times 1619 project and our journalistic and cultural betters would have you believe that the systemic ills that we're experiencing now in America are the result of racist colonizers from 1619 that brought the first slaves to American shores. You see, ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims. The culture of death that we're in today is not coincidental.

It's not an accident. It was intentionally created by a set of Marxist, socialist, totalitarian revolutionaries who were engaging in a proxy war attack against Christianity and the American family here in the States. It sounds like there was a culture war against Christianity and Western civilization back in the early 1900s and before, before anyone knew there was a culture war against Christianity and Western civilization. Well, really we could say that the culture war, as we call it today, goes all the way back to the garden. Did God really say? I mean, that basically summarizes the culture war really well.

Did God really say, and also you can be your own gods. That's like a perfect description of the culture war today between the left and the right or conservatives and radical leftists. But one of the things you'll notice, particularly when you study a lot of the architects of the, let's call it the sexual revolution or the secular moral revolution, is their absolute disdain and hatred for Christianity.

It's almost axiomatic at this point. Someone who doesn't understand that doesn't really read or study anything at all. Anyone from Herbert Marcuse to Antonio Gramsci to Bill Gates, to Margaret Sanger, to Emma Goldman, to Charles Darwin, to Alfred Kinsey. The whole attack against Western civilization has always been a proxy war attack against Christianity because Christianity built the West. Particularly when you read Sanger and a lot of her friends from that turn of the century, going into the 20th century, they were openly, openly honest about how much they hated Christianity, particularly for Sanger, the Catholic church. I'm not a Catholic, but the Catholics have been holding the line on the unborn a little bit better than Protestants for the last maybe 70, 80 years. All of this has to be viewed as a deeper spiritual war.

That's my point. As Christians on your worldview program, we have to understand that at the end of the day, all of this conflict is ultimately theological and spiritual. When you talk about the right to life, unborn babies, you talk about marriage, when you talk about gender, when you talk about children's rights, all of these have been issues that the church has not only led on, they've developed all of these institutions over 6,000 years, over 2,000 years since Calvary. It didn't used to be that these were even viewed as political.

You go back to the 1950s. If you said, how many genders are there? Should we kill unborn babies? What is marriage? Should children be shown porn in their classroom?

Should we sexually mutilate the next generation? Republicans and Democrats would have responded to those questions. It's absolutely not. They would have been in agreement on all of those issues. Now, those are quote unquote, political issues, but they're not. They're deeply spiritual. And so what we do with a little bit of the film is to show how deeply spiritual all of this has been because ultimately, it's the church's job to lead on these issues. We can go into Antonio Gramsci. We can go back to what the Frankfurt School's plan was in taking over those culturally formative institutions to tear down the fruits of Christendom.

Probably don't have time to get into all that. But yeah, all of this was blatantly an attack against the foundations of Western civilization, the fruit of Christendom. And so now we're living in the insanity of what those leftists have built, right, David? Now it feels like we're living in sort of this neo-pagan revivalism. It's not progressive. It's regressive. Nothing the left is offering today is sort of new or modern. It's very ancient and far more ancient than the ideas of the revolutionary founding fathers. Seth Gruber is our guest today on the program.

He's the executive producer of the 1916 project film. We have links to it at our website, thechristianreelview.org. Seth, here's another audio clip from the film with some of the most well-known Democratic leaders from Hillary Clinton to Nancy Pelosi to Barack Obama praising Margaret Sanger. And you say something toward the end of this soundbite about abortion being the highest religious sacrament to the left.

Here's the soundbite. Admire Margaret Sanger enormously. Her courage, her tenacity, her vision. Critical work that Planned Parenthood does on behalf of America's women every day. It's been nearly a hundred years since the first health clinic of what later would become Planned Parenthood opened its doors to women in Brooklyn. What Christians often don't understand in the culture wars and in the fight for life is that abortion is not just one issue among many. Abortion is almost the lynchpin upon which the liberal establishment swings. But what happens when you pull out a lynchpin?

The door falls off. And so when Roe v. Wade gets overturned and that lynchpin starts getting lifted off, the liberal establishment lost their minds because they're treating it like a religious sacrament. That is their most important issue, even above, I don't know, name another issue, economics or welfare or trade or whatever else it could be. Why is abortion the highest religious religious sacrament to the left? The simplest answer to say to that is that it's killing. Killing another innocent human being is the most powerful example of leftism today.

The absolute domination of another innocent human being that ends in their death. I mean, I think we've sometimes forgotten what abortion has done to the conscience of the nation. That's why Reagan wrote a book called Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation. I think so many people even start to take it for granted. Maybe it's a necessary evil, say some conservatives, something that we just have to allow.

And I think we've forgotten kind of what it's done to our cultural consciousness. We've embedded into the ideas of our republic now that through point of birth, a mother has the right to have her child killed or to kill her child. And that this is supposed to be viewed as a blessing of liberty.

It's supposed to be viewed as something our founders would have celebrated because of feminism or women's rights or equality. And I think it's so representative of how the left operates today. They're willing to go to almost any end to achieve their political goals. And I'll submit to you it's because it's actually demonic, right? They're actually like demonic powers and principalities that are in both political parties, of course. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.

That's definitely his preferred party. I think we've just forgotten what that's done to the cultural consciousness. What else have we made peace with? And what else will become normalized when for over 50 years, we've taught young people that this is part of women's rights. This is just what we have to allow.

So something that dark, the killing of an innocent child who's completely vulnerable and unable to defend themselves at their most vulnerable stage of development. And that's now supposed to be a blessing of liberty. Asari was just what we need if we're going to have women's rights, women's equality.

I think we've forgotten what that's done to the republic, to our ideas and to the cultural consciousness. But secondly, of course, it's a sacrament because they say this is my body. That's actually the phrase that has been used and chanted at women's rights rallies to defend and articulate their position. If you were to articulate the pro-choice position in one phrase, it is and has been for decades, my body. This is my body, my choice, right? Well, those are the words of your savior at the first communion in the Last Supper. This is my body. I break it for you.

Take and eat in remembrance of me. So rather than accepting the broken body and shed blood of Christ for eternal life, the left demands that we break the bodies and shed the blood of babies for eternal life. And that's not just like sensationalist rhetoric, David, embryonic stem cell research, fetal organ harvesting, fetal tissue research and prenatal gene editing. That's the new one, by the way.

What's the common denominator between those? The baby is killed so that man can find new ways to extend his own life. So abortion says, you must die so I can live. But Christ says, no, I must die so you can live. Christ says, this is my body. I break it for you. Abortion says, this is my body.

I break you, baby, for me. OK, so abortion is the pagan replacement for man's pursuit of eternal life. That's always been the case. OK, it's the fountain of pharmaceutical youth. People forget that Fauci's boss, Francis Collins, not that long ago, Collins headed up the NIH. My friend, Megan Basham, wrote a great book called Shepherds for Sale, exposing a lot of Collins. I wrote a viral article for my friends at Clear Truth Media called The Most Evil Man in Evangelicalism and Those Who Platformed Him. And Francis Collins, allegedly a Christian, all right, who's platformed by Rick Warren, Tim Keller, David French, Russell Moore, Phil Vischer and N.T.

Wright, all cowards and men who should never be trusted again, by the way. Francis Collins, allegedly a Christian brother filled with the Holy Spirit, was funding scalping the heads of nine-month, 40-week full-term aborted children at the University of Pittsburgh. And they took the scalps, yes, scalps, David, like an Indian, the scalps of full-term aborted children and put them subcutaneously onto lab rats to create humanized mice to find solutions to Saff infections so we could try to solve diseases. This idea of sacrificing children to find new ways to extend our own life, nothing new. It goes back thousands of years. And we've made peace with that for so long in America today because the church has forgotten that this is fundamentally spiritual. It's fundamentally demonic. And if the church doesn't reawaken and, let me say, reclaim their iconoclastic role of tearing down high places like Gideon, then your children will be raised in gulags, that those who murder the unborn cannot be trusted to govern the born.

And those who murder the unborn will one day murder us too, the longer that we tolerate and make peace with the sacrament of Satan. Very strong and profound words from our guest, Seth Gruber, executive producer of the 1916 project documentary film and the author of a book by the same title. You can order the 76-minute DVD of this film for a donation of any amount to The Christian Real View. To order, go to thechristianrealview.org or give us a call at 1-888-646-2233.

Our mailing address will also be given during this upcoming break. Also, the April issue of The Christian Real View Journal, our monthly print publication, is shipping later this coming week. One of the articles is by Josh Byss of G3 Ministries on Jesus being the ultimate fulfillment of the Jewish Passover. Soren Kern, our managing editor, has a really good column on why Christians should support Israel. You can find out how you can receive The Christian Real View Journal during this upcoming break.

All right, more with Seth Gruber on the 1916 project coming up. I'm David Wheaton. You are listening to The Christian Real View Radio Program. The Christian Real View Journal is our monthly 12-page, full-color print publication designed to sharpen your biblical worldview on current events and issues of the faith. The journal is anchored each month with three columns, including one by Christian geopolitical and prophecy analyst Soren Kern.

You will also find details on radio programs, upcoming events, resources for adults and children, ministry updates, and more. The journal is mailed to all Christian Real View partners who support the ministry at $10 or more per month, or $120 or more per year. Plus, when you become a Christian Real View partner, you'll be sent a complimentary copy of my hardcover book, My Boy Ben, a story of love, loss, and grace.

To become a Christian Real View partner and receive the journal, go to thechristianrealview.org or call 1-888-646-2233 or write to Box 401, Excelsior, Minnesota, 55331. We need to remember that as our Savior hung upon that cross, extended His arms and bore those stakes in His hands and His feet, that crown of thorns on His head, He was paying for our sin. Our sin put Christ on the cross. We need to pause before we indulge in sin. Look at the cross. Look at what the Savior did to redeem us and say, I can't sin against the Savior who did that.

or call 1-888-646-2233 or write to Box 401, Excelsior, Minnesota, 55331. Welcome back to the Christian Real View. I'm David Wheaton. Be sure to visit thechristianrealview.org where you can sign up for our weekly email, the Christian Real View Journal monthly print publication, order resources for adults and children, and support the ministry. Our topic today is on Margaret Sanger and the history of the death and depravity revolution, and our guest is Seth Gruber, executive producer of the 1916 project documentary film. Seth, you go through key figures in this death and depravity revolution in the film, and this is what is really good about the film, showing the history of it from a man named Thomas Malthus, he talked about overpopulation, then to Charles Darwin, the survival of the fittest, to Francis Galton, that the strong must kill the weak, might makes right, the elimination of the unfit, and then to a man named Havelock Ellis, and that the purpose of all this is to overturn Western civilization. We want no God and we want no masters. In other words, out from under the authority of God, and then to Emma Goldman, who was, we have to change the culture to accomplish this.

So there's a thread that goes through this, one builds on the other. Here's a soundbite from pastor and author George Grant as he talks about one of these key depravers named Havelock Ellis. One of the things about Havelock Ellis was he was quite the evangelist.

He believed that it was his mission, not just to explore these things and to write about these things, but to begin to mentor young men and women to take this to the ends of the earth. It was the great commission flipped upside down. The whole purpose behind this, it's to overturn Western civilization.

No gods, no masters. By this time, Marxism has been discredited as a political movement, but the notion behind Marxism of replacing the old Christendom with something fresh and new is very much alive. Now, instead of economics and politics, it's being driven by human sexuality, morality, the transformation of the family. So Seth, why is the family so important to target in their insidious goal to overturn Western civilization and Christianity?

Well, as my friend Nancy Piercy says, central planners have always wanted to bring the family under greater government control so that they can inculcate their own ideology into young minds and create docile citizens. The fight for the future is always the fight over the current generation. That's why people say that our universities are like cultural crystal globes. Our universities show us what your culture will look like in 20 or 30 years. This is pretty self-evident.

We shouldn't even have to explain this. Yes, people die and the next generation takes over, and then they die and the next generation. So whatever your worldview and ideology is of your 19-year-olds should always be of the highest utmost concern to you because, well, one, they can already vote, but two, they're going to be the ones actually shaping culture, the ones in charge of making films, of getting elected, of destroying or building up corporations. So when we look at, for example, the Gen Z and their support for abortion, it's shocking. For a long time, each generation was getting more pro-life, David. Now it's flipped. Gen Z is way more pro-abortion than millennials of my generation are. This should be very concerning to us, okay? The family has always been sort of the centerpiece of Western civilization.

It's the smallest political unit. It's where education actually begins, okay? And this is why, for example, in places like France right now, which is out of control right now, it is almost impossible to homeschool your children.

It is nigh impossible. You can submit a request, but it basically never gets approved unless it's like a special needs, horrible, horrible, really difficult situation because radical leftists have actually been better at discipleship than the church has been in the West for the last hundred years or so, right? All education is discipleship. All education is indoctrination. There's only so many hours in the day to educate your children. So some books are going to be highlighted and some are going to be ignored, right? Some epochs in history are going to be intensely studied, some are going to not be as much.

There's only so much time. All education is indoctrination. Indoctrination is not necessarily bad. It's just what are you indoctrinating the next generation with?

Is it good ideas or is it bad ideas? With the whole public education system and with the less involvement in pushing forward their ideology in the public square and in the public classrooms, we've destroyed several generations of people. And now we're starting to see the fruit of that, aren't we? We deserved Kamala Harris as a president. With all the bloodshed and the killing of babies, we deserved Kamala Harris as a president.

God chose to show us mercy. And now we have Trump, who's going to hold back a decent amount of wickedness and hopefully give the church time to awaken and take back their role of the cultural mandate and cultural transformation. And so this is a key aspect of the culture wars. And it's something that I assume your listeners grasp, but it always deserves repeating. They want to fundamentally redefine everything. John Selden once said, syllables govern the world, which is I think what John Locke said, whoever defines the words defines the world. Rudyard Kipling said, words are the most powerful drugs used by mankind. All of these concepts, the right to life, children's rights, parents rights, education, health care, sexuality, marriage, man, woman, all of these things have been redefined by the left today.

And thankfully, there's been a good political pushback against that stuff. But words shape the way we think and they color the way we see the world. And if marriage is now any two will do, which now soon it's going to be any three will do, by the way, if the church doesn't wake up, then that means that children don't have a right to a mother and a father, which means that Pete Buttigieg, who was our transportation secretary, should be able to marry a dude and go rent a woman's uterus and go home with the twins. Now children do not have a right to a mother and father because all of these things have been redefined.

Why? Because of the family, because the family is always the target. If you can redefine the family, and if you redefine what man and woman is, it allows the government, the state, to bring the family under greater political control. Stella Morabito, who writes at the Federalist, she said, if you abolish sex distinctions in law, you can abolish state recognition of biological family ties. Thus, the state can regulate personal relationships and consolidate power as never before.

We could talk about this for the next 30 minutes. The point is the family is God's idea. The family is what the church is tasked with guarding, safeguarding, and raising up for the next generation to take the reins of this republic and to continue to fulfill the Great Commission and the cultural mandate, the reason that we're here as Christians. When all of that gets redefined and we no longer have a right to our children, which we got awfully close to in America, that's happening right now in the UK, by the way, or children don't have a right to life, or a doctor doesn't have a right to say, I don't want to do an abortion without getting fired, or Jack Phillips in Colorado doesn't have the right to not bake a cake for a gay wedding, because all that stuff deals with family institutions, the smallest political unit, the place that discipleship begins.

That's why all this matters. That's why the left always wants to bring the family under greater control. And is there a more powerful example of an attack against the family than tricking and inculcating and propagandizing several generations of young women into the myth and into the belief that actually having your child in your uterus ripped limb to limb is a blessing of liberty, and you should defend it, woman, if you want to be equal with men. What a successful attack against the family to turn mothers against their own children.

Yeah, it certainly has been. Seth Gruber is our guest today here on The Christian Real View, the executive producer of the 1916 Project. You mentioned President Trump, and while many Christians and conservatives are very pleased, happy that he became president for a second time rather than Kamala Harris, they've been very against the transgender ideology, but they don't seem to have any problem with the homosexual ideology of quote-unquote gay marriage and so forth. For example, Trump appointed Scott Besant, who is the Treasury secretary, perhaps very good in finance and everything else, nothing about that, but he is quote married to a man and has two either surrogate, as you were just referencing, or adopted children. Richard Grinnell, another homosexual, is a special presidential envoy appointed by Trump for special missions. He's a close advisor to Trump. How does this new Republican party that overlooks this issue of homosexuality, homosexual so-called marriage, how does that affect really the whole fabric of the country where neither party now has any sort of hedge against that kind of family redefining?

I did a whole episode on this. I'm not beholden to the GOP. I'm beholden to the G-O-D, and so I'm happy to praise Trump when he does good things, and I'll also be very vocal of my opposition to some of his decisions when he makes bad decisions because that's just what it means to live in a self-governing republic. We have to raise our voice. Yes, with his whole IVF executive order and his party's, the GOP's, kid-glove treatment of the homosexuality movement is very disturbing.

It's very frustrating. You remember Vivek Ramaswamy at a MAGA event at a Trump rally right before the election. He was like, hey, marry whoever you want, sleep with whoever you want, whatever. It's wonderful, but that doesn't mean that boys should be able to compete against girls in sports.

It's like, Vivek Ramaswamy, how do you think we got here? Every new forward movement of the secular moral revolution flows into one another. There's something wrong with the ideology, and the new Republican Party kind of fails to grasp that. So no, you're absolutely right. If we should entertain the ideology of homosexuality that any two will do. Two daddies are fundamentally no different than a mommy and a daddy.

I mean, you know, who cares really? There's nothing unique about a mother and a father. There's nothing specific to being a man or to being a woman that somehow creates a stronger marriage. And there's nothing that a mother brings to parenting that a father can also bring and vice versa. That was why the gay marriage agenda, right, David, remember, was the equal sign. That the whole point is to say all of these are equal.

Any two will do. It doesn't matter. Well, if that's the case, and there's nothing unique and valuable and beautiful that a woman brings to a marriage and that a man brings to a marriage, and then what they bring to parenting of the children created from that union, then the next logical step is to say, well, then men should be able to be women, and women should be able to be men if there's fundamentally nothing unique about the sexes. And so the failure of the Republican Party to see how we got to the insanity of transgenderism is very disappointing. And we have to stop treating some of these ideologies with such a kid blood treatment and actually push back and offer a better alternative. And so I completely agree that it's insane when you have these clips of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden from 2004 and 2006 sounding more conservative on the marriage issue than the entire GOP today. What a disappointment. Yes, it is a major disappointment and affirms adults in sinful relationships and puts children in their homes without a father and a mother as God designed for children's flourishing and for God's glory. Seth, thank you for producing this film and for coming on the Christian Royal View radio program today. Again, the 1916 project is a 76-minute film and retails for $20. For a limited time, you can order it for a donation of any amount to the Christian Royal View and the DVD will be shipped to you in the month of May.

To order, our contact information will be given in just a moment. And hearing the history of the death and depravity revolution that has so negatively influenced the people of our country, if you're like me, you're asking, what part can I play in standing against sin and standing for righteousness? Well, the Bible says in Ephesians chapter 5, do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.

For it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. Verse 13, but all things become visible when they are exposed by the light. For this reason, it says, awake sleeper and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you. Scripture is clear that God gives the members of his church differing gifts. Some are gifted to be on the front lines, praying at abortion clinics, speaking up at school board meetings and engaging with the deceived on the streets. Others can play an important role through prayer, supporting pregnancy centers or organizations that prioritize the gospel and sound doctrine as they advocate for God's truth in the culture. Others can post on social media, share the film at their church, influence their family and friends, encourage their pastor to inform the congregation about these issues, or even write letters to the purveyors of death and depravity, trying to persuade them to turn from sin and turn to God.

Christians have differing gifts and personalities and all can play an important role. Always realizing our top priority is soundly proclaiming the gospel in God's word with grace and truth. Thank you for joining us today on the Christian worldview and for your support of this non-profit radio ministry. In a world deceived by Satan that desires death and depravity, let's remember what Jesus said, I am the way and the truth and the life.

No one comes to the father but through me. So until next time, think biblically, live accordingly and stand firm. The mission of the Christian worldview is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ. We hope today's broadcast encouraged you toward that end. To hear a replay of today's program, order a transcript or find out what must I do to be saved, go to thechristianworldview.org or call toll-free 1-888-646-2233. The Christian worldview is a listener-supported non-profit radio ministry furnished by the Overcomer Foundation. To make a donation, become a Christian worldview partner, order resources, subscribe to our free newsletter or contact us, visit thechristianworldview.org, call 1-888-646-2233 or write to Box 401 Excelsior, Minnesota 55331. That's Box 401 Excelsior, Minnesota 55331. Thanks for listening to the Christian worldview.