The Peril of Paula White as Head of White House Faith Office. That is a topic we'll discuss today right here on the Christian Real View Radio Program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ.
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As always, thank you for your notes of encouragement, financial support, and lifting us up in prayer. In just a short time in office, President Trump has made many right policy decisions that align with the Bible's call for government and leaders to promote what is good and punish evil. It's from Romans 13, such as ending governmental imposition of the sin of partiality with diversity, equity, and inclusion, DEI, or the depraved transgender lie, along with a host of other policies that improve fiscal responsibility and national sovereignty over globalism. Christians can cheer that a U-turn has been made away from godless Marxism, but the president's choice of false teacher Paula White to head the White House Faith Office is another story. Paula White is one of the prominent leaders in the Word of Faith movement, also known as the Health, Wealth, and Prosperity Gospel.
This is a heretical movement that misrepresents God and His Word and leads millions of people away from the one and only saving gospel of Jesus Christ. Justin Peters leads a ministry that has particular focus on exposing the false teaching and false teachers of the Word of Faith movement. His column in the soon-to-be delivered March issue of the Christian worldview journal focuses on Trump's pick of Paula White. He joins us today.
In the final segment of the program, Twyla Brace of Citizens Council for Health Freedom will inform us about the government's push for a national ID card called Real ID that she is urging listeners to avoid and contact their legislators about. But first, let's get to the interview with Justin Peters. Justin, thank you for coming on the Christian worldview radio program today.
I want to discuss your recent column in the Christian worldview journal titled Faith Office Needs Biblical Christianity, Not Paula White. Just a paragraph to start here, you wrote, Paula White meets every biblical criterion of a false prophet and false teacher, which is why President Trump's appointment of her as head of the newly established White House Faith Office is the worst decision of his young presidency. I say this as someone, you writing here, who has voted for President Trump three times and is thrilled with practically everything he has done thus far.
He is exceeding my expectations in every regard except this one. So before we get to talking about Paula White and that selection by President Trump, let's just talk for a second here, Justin, just about some of the things you've been thrilled about, you say, with practically everything he has done thus far. I'm going to start off by playing an audio clip from the other night when President Trump gave a speech to a joint session of Congress. And here's a short portion of his speech. We've ended the tyranny of so-called diversity, equity, and inclusion policies all across the entire federal government and indeed the private sector and our military and our country will be woke no longer. We believe that whether you are a doctor, an accountant, a lawyer, or an air traffic controller, you should be hired and promoted based on skill and competence, not race or gender. We have removed the poison of critical race theory from our public schools and I signed an order making it the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders, male and female.
I also signed an executive order to ban men from playing in women's sports. I'm not sure I've ever heard a president speak in such clear terms, strong terms, particularly on moral and social issues, as you just heard him talk about there with regard to DEI and the transgender issue and so forth. But Justin, what stood out to you as you listened to Trump's speech that encourages you that you are thankful that he won this last election? He's president.
Yes, David, so good to be back with you brother on the program. Honestly, David, it was just a breath of fresh air that he's bringing us back to some moral clarity and quite honestly common sense, things that almost all of us would have taken as common sense 10 years ago that men are men, women are women. One cannot transform into another. Men should not compete against women in sports, stuff that all of us would have just taken for granted 10 years ago has been lost with the Biden administration and COVID and all the social disruptions that came along with that. And we were being expected to affirm the insanity that a man can transform into a woman and vice versa.
It was lunacy. I mean, we were headed with breakneck speed straight into Romans 1, where Paul describes how God gives people over to depraved minds to the point where people can no longer even think at the most basic level. And Trump by God's common grace to us is bringing us back to some moral clarity, some basics that all of us would have accepted as at face value and common sense about 10 years or more ago. So I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful that he's doing away with the DEI stuff. When I get onto an airplane, David, I don't care how much or how little melanin is in the skin of the pilot. I just want to know that that pilot is competent and capable and can take off and fly and land and do it in safety and competence.
And I don't care about how much or how little melanin people have in their skin or anything like that. It's just bringing us back to some moral clarity and common sense. I have never really seen a scene like this.
And I want to ask you about that next. You had the Republicans on one side of the room and they were standing and cheering throughout the speech. And we've seen that before. But on the other side, the Democrats, it was something like I've never seen. They were walking out. One of them got kicked out.
The sergeant of arms had to lead them out of there. They were holding up signs during Trump's speech, saying false and different things. They never stood, never clapped, even through portions of the speech where Donald Trump was highlighting the families who have had children who were killed by illegal immigrants or maybe had a terminal disease or something. It was just they give him no applause for any even things that anyone could agree with and be happy about.
As a matter of fact, Donald Trump commented on this fact when he said this. And once again, I look at the Democrats in front of me and I realize there is absolutely nothing I can say to make them happy or to make them stand or smile or applaud. Nothing I can do.
I could find a cure to the most devastating disease, a disease that would wipe out entire nations or announce the answers to the greatest economy in history or the stoppage of crime to the lowest levels ever recorded. And these people sitting right here will not clap, will not stand and certainly will not cheer for these astronomical achievements. They won't do it no matter what. It's very sad and it just shouldn't be this way. What do you make of this reaction in the room by Democrats? And is everything basically now a zero sum game? In other words, we win, you lose.
That's right, David. It was a spectacle to behold that the Democrats could not even stand in honor of girls who were murdered at the hands of illegal aliens. You know, they couldn't stand for that because then they would be seen in support of law and order and against illegal immigrants. So they couldn't honor those people who were murdered at the hands of illegal immigrants and could not even stand for a 13 year old boy who's been battling brain cancer since he was what, five or six, I think, you know, for a number of years, wasn't expected to live more than six months.
And he's now six or seven years past that or whatever. How do you not stand for that and honor that precious little boy who wants to be a police officer? I mean, it was a heartwarming, touching scene and they just sat there.
It was a stunning, stunning thing to behold. I mean, I've known for many, many years that the Democratic Party is a party of hatred and a party that hates life, a party that hates merit, a party that hates traditional values, a party that certainly hates Christian values, hates the Christian religion, which is the only true religion, of course. But to not even have the decency to stand in honor of a little boy battling brain cancer, that was so telling. There's no such thing, David, as a moderate Democrat anymore. Wasn't it just like three or four days ago, I think maybe the day before Trump gave this speech, that every single Democratic senator voted against a bill that would have prevented men from competing against women in sports.
Every Democratic senator voted against it. The Democratic Party is a party of lunacy and hatred. And I do not see how a professing believer could ever vote for someone in that party. And that is certainly not to say that every Republican is a Christian. Far, far from it. But I don't know how you can be a true Christian and lend your support to a party that has literally enshrined the sins listed in Romans chapter one into their party platform.
I just don't see how it's possible. I don't think it is possible, and yet many prominent evangelical leaders like Russell Moore of Christianity Today and David French writes for the New York Times and many others in Christian institutions were openly advocating that Christians not vote for Trump and instead vote for Kamala Harris in this last election. Dane Ortlund and Gavin Ortlund, they did the same thing.
That's exactly right. It was the tweet that the father did, Ray Ortlund, never Trump, this time Harris, always Jesus. That's such a typical, manipulative way that those kind of professing Christians work to influence the evangelical church, just like Justin Peters is our guest today here on the Christian Real View.
An evangelist, a speaker, an apologist for the faith, the head of Justin Peters Ministries, we have him linked at our website thechristianrealview.org along with his very popular YouTube channel. Just one more question about Trump before we get into his selection of Paula White to head the White House faith office. Now Donald Trump is not fully pro-life, Justin, you know that. Yet in some ways his policies have been the most pro-life president ever, except for his stance on IVF, or in vitro fertilization, not very pro-life on that at all, or doesn't understand how anti-life that is. Trump rejects the biblical definition of marriage. You never hear him say much against homosexual so-called marriage.
They're strong on the trans issue, as we heard in this speech, but not on same-sex marriage or homosexuality. How do you think a Christian knowing these contradictions here, and the really positive things he's doing, and yet there's several issues that are very unbiblical, let's just be honest, how should Christians think about Trump with these contradictions? Well I tell people often that when I voted for Donald Trump as president, I voted for a president, not a pastor. And I don't know how a true, genuinely born-again Christian can get to that level of politics in this country, because to get there you've got to be dishonest in some ways. If you don't lie, you're not going to ever make it to that office, to that level.
I mean for example, let's say I decided to run for president. The first time I was asked, so what do you think about Roman Catholicism? Well, Roman Catholicism is a theological cult, blasphemy of the mass, and denies the gospel.
Well, there goes my presidency, any hopes of being in the White House. So I just don't see how you can get to that level and be a true Christian. I am grateful that Donald Trump's policies, as you said, I think are more closely aligned to a biblical worldview than any president that we have had in our lifetimes, with some unfortunate exceptions like you mentioned with the IVF thing. But Trump's policies are certainly closer to our views as Christians than anybody in the Democratic Party ever thought about being. And even when it comes to the life issue, David, he is certainly more pro-life than any president we have had in our lifetimes, including Ronald Reagan. Now, do I think that Trump is convictionally pro-life? Do I think he lays awake at night worried about the lives of unborn children? No, I don't think he's convictionally pro-life.
I think it is largely a political expediency for him. But again, I'm voting for the policy. I'm not voting for the man. If I'm in a car accident and I'm in the ditch and my leg is broken and the car is on fire and I can't get out of the car, and I see someone running up to me to help me, am I going to say to that person, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you help me out of this car, do you have a potty mouth?
Have you always been faithful to your wife? No, I'm not going to say that. I'm going to let the man help me out of the car and save my life. And then, Lord willing, have an opportunity to share the gospel with him. So it's kind of that same thing. Do I think Trump is convictionally pro-life?
Probably not. But his policies are more pro-life than any other option we've ever had. And so that is why I've supported him and done so unflinchingly. Well, as Christians, we have to hold tensions sometimes in life, even within specific doctrines and theologies. And we can hold two tensions at the same time, knowing he's not a regenerate man, but there's many, many things that he's really, really good on, and some that we need to be truthful and call him out on, keep him honest. And he's not regenerate.
I want to echo what you just said. I've been very public about that, that I do not believe Trump is a Christian. This is a man who has repeatedly said he's never asked God for forgiveness. And so, by definition, if you've never done that, you're not a Christian.
Yeah, I'm under no illusion that he's an actual regenerate man. That's a good transition to the next thing we're going to talk about here, which is your column in the Christian worldview journal on President Trump's selection of Paula White to head the White House faith office. But before we get into that, I think it's important to let listeners know some context on your experience with the version of so-called Christianity that Paula White is a part of, the word faith movement, or sometimes it's called the health, wealth, and prosperity gospel. Tell us about your background and your experience with the word faith movement.
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You will also find details on radio programs, upcoming events, resources for adults and children, ministry updates, and more. The journal is mailed to all Christian Real View partners who support the ministry at $10 or more per month or $120 or more per year. Plus, when you become a Christian Real View partner, you will be sent a complimentary copy of my hardcover book, My Boy Ben, a Story of Love, Loss, and Grace. To become a Christian Real View partner and receive the journal, go to thechristianrealview.org or call 1-888-646-2233 or write to Box 401 Excelsior, Minnesota 55331. Welcome back to The Christian Real View. I'm David Wheaton. Be sure to visit thechristianrealview.org where you can sign up for our weekly email, The Christian Real View Journal monthly print publication, order resources for adults and children, and support the ministry. Our topic today is the peril of Paula White as head of White House Faith Office, and Justin Peters is our guest. Justin, tell us about your background with the Word of Faith movement.
Sure, David. I was born with cerebral palsy, CP, so I walk on crutches. And long story short, when I was a teenager, a neighbor of mine came up to me and he said, Justin, God has spoken to me and he's told me that he's going to heal you as long as you have enough faith. And he told me about a faith healer who was coming to my hometown at the time, Vicksburg, Mississippi, named Nora Lamb. At that age, at age 16, I very much wanted to be healed. So I thought I had all the faith and was believing God for my healing and went to see Nora Lamb. And of course, I was not healed.
I still have CP and walk on crutches. And so that was my first exposure to what I now know to be the Word of Faith movement, the prosperity gospel. But at that age, I had never even heard that term. Then years later, I did kind of learn what this movement was, began to study it. I went to seminary and actually wrote my master's thesis on Benny Hinn and the Word of Faith movement. I've been to, I think, 17 or 18 Benny Hinn crusades now, and I've been to Kenneth Copeland meetings and Jesse Duplantis and Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen's church.
It's part of the research that I do. What I tell people, David, is that this movement is not just about health and wealth. It is a different gospel. The Word of Faith movement has a very aberrant view of God, a very aberrant view of man. Basically, they demote God and demote Jesus, some of them flat out denying his deity. And then in turn, they deify man and they turn us into little gods, which is why they hold so tenaciously to health and wealth, because they believe that we're gods.
A god cannot be poor, and a god certainly cannot be sick. That's just a very bird's eye view of this movement. By God's grace, I have been given opportunities to teach against this movement all over the world. I think now I've been in 36 different countries preaching and teaching almost every state. It's one of the most egregious heresies within the professing Christian world today. It's preaching a different Jesus and a different gospel. As Paul said in Titus 1, teach sound doctrine and refute those who contradict it.
That's what I'm doing. This is a particular focus of your ministry. We have links to your ministry at our website, thechristianrealview.org, for listeners who want to find out more about our guest today. Justin Peters, you say in your column that's in the Christian Real View Journal in the March issue, Justin, you say Paula White is one of the most visible proponents of the Word of Faith theology, more commonly referred to as the health and wealth or prosperity gospel. The Word of Faith movement is not merely wrong in secondary matters of Christian theology—in other words, not just minor differences—but it represents a dramatic departure from some of the basic tenets of historical Christianity. At its heart is the belief that if you are a Christian—you just mentioned this—you are a, quote, little god.
Now I want to play a soundbite of Paula White, the White House faith office director, leader, where she's speaking or preaching, I guess you could say, and here's what she had to say, and I'll follow up with a question. The church is Christ's body in which he speaks and acts and by which he fills everything, including the White House, including government halls, including universities, including education centers, including the best medical labs, including the biggest businesses. He doesn't just fill our church business or our churches. He fills everything with his presence. How does he do that? He does that through you.
He does that through me. Wherever I go, God rules. When I walk on White House grounds, God walks on White House grounds. When I walked in the river, God walked in the river.
When I go into the dry cleaner, that dry cleaning place becomes holy. I had every right and authority to declare the White House as holy ground because I was standing there and where I stand is holy. Interpret what Paula White is saying in that soundbite, because I think it's probably shocking to people who haven't been exposed to the word of faith movement. That was just one of many clips we could play of her and other word faith preachers like her teaching what is essentially the little God's doctrine. She says, wherever I go, God rules. When I walk in the White House grounds, God walks in the White House grounds.
I got news for Paula White. God rules over every cubic centimeter of the entire universe, whether or not Paula White has ever been there. He is sovereign over all of creation.
He upholds all things by the word of his power, Hebrews 1 verse 3. But this is reflective of word faith theology, David. In essence, they teach that when God created Adam, Adam was an exact duplicate of God, a carbon copy of Yahweh. Then when Adam sinned, which of course brings up the question, if Adam was Yahweh and he sinned, was it Yahweh who sinned?
You see how you carry these doctrines out to their logical conclusion. You see how heretical they are. But when Adam sinned, then the real Yahweh God lost his legal right to planet earth and was kicked out. Even as we are speaking right now, according to classic word faith theology, God has no access to planet earth. He is illegal in his own creation. That's why once a person becomes a Christian, then we become little gods and God can do things only when we give him permission.
He's still illegal on the earth. He's got to work through us as his only means of access to planet earth to do anything, to get anything accomplished. So that's why she says when I walk on White House grounds, God walks on White House grounds. She thinks she is giving God access to everywhere she walks.
It is a thoroughly, thoroughly blasphemous and heretical teaching, David. But this is standard fare in the word of faith movement. Wow, Justin Peters is our guest today here on the Christian Real View talking about Paula White, President Trump's selection as head of the White House Faith Office. You write in your column in the journal, Justin, you say her relationship with President Trump began over 20 years ago when he saw one of her television programs and contacted her, telling her that she had the it factor.
He later made appearances on her show. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said that Paula White led Donald Trump to Christ. Why do you think, Justin, that Donald Trump is attracted to this errant version of Christianity? We talked a few minutes ago about how Donald Trump is sadly at this point an unregenerate man. So it speaks volumes, does it not, that a lost man who has not come to true faith in Christ and repentance from sin, that he's lost. And yet he is attracted to Paula White's version of Christianity. But I think it appeals to him because of its worldliness. Donald Trump is a billionaire.
That's fine. I believe in capitalism. He's worked hard and he's made money.
I don't disparage him that at all. But he clearly puts a lot of emphasis on material things. You see his Mar-a-Lago and all this and the gold everywhere. It's a very worldly lifestyle. Well, that is exactly what the prosperity gospel is. It's in the name, prosperity gospel. It's always God's will, according to them. It's always God's will for you to be rich. And it's always God's will for you to be physically healed.
You should never be sick. Or if you do get sick, physical healing is guaranteed, provided that you have enough faith. So the prosperity gospel appeals to two of the most basic and universal of all human desires to be wealthy and to never be sick.
You've got about eight billion people on this planet who want those things. And the prosperity gospel says, well, if you just, quote unquote, become a Christian, you can have it. So it's the worldliness that appeals to him.
I'd add one more thing as I thought about this question as well. Donald Trump was very influenced by Norman Vincent Peale in his book, The Power of Positive Thinking. Trump is always positive. Everything he says, that's his worldview. And this is also the worldview of the Word of Faith movement.
Remember, you speak the word and faith and it comes true. It's about positivism as well. So I think there's an element of that. He just relates to the type of worldview and outlook and the way they speak.
And that's attractive to him. Justin Peters is our guest today here on The Christian Worldview. Let's talk about how significant this really is, that she's the head of the White House Faith Office. What does that office actually do, Justin? And what impact will someone like Paula White actually have on the president, the nation and the church? You know, David, that's a good question, because I'm not sure any of us really knows exactly what this White House Faith Office does or how much power Paula White will have as the chairperson of it.
I know ostensibly it's it's to protect religious freedom. But what actual power and authority Paula White has that I don't know or what this faith office has, I don't know. In Trump's first administration, he had his spiritual advisory board and Paula White was the chairwoman of that.
Legislatively, you know, I don't know. I guess probably the main power is just giving Trump some counsel. That bothers me because Paula White claims to be a Christian and yet she's a false teacher. And in the position that she's in now, she has worldwide attention.
She's been given a worldwide platform. I mean, she had that before, but now on a, you know, even the secular world is aware of her. And she is a horrible representation of biblical Christianity. False teachers, David, are warned about in the Bible in 26 of the 27 books in the New Testament over and over and over. Only the little book of Philemon doesn't have anything to say about false doctrine and or false teachers. But every other book in the New Testament does. And most of them multiple times, some occasions like Jude, for example, pretty much the whole book is about false teachers. So this is a warning about false teachers.
False doctrine is a prominent, prominent theme in the New Testament. Paula White, by virtue of the position that she is in, she is sadly the representation of Christianity to the watching world. And this is a woman who is on her third marriage. She committed adultery with Benny Hinn back in 2010. She and her current husband, Jonathan Cain, there's video of them from 2015, you know, Sunday morning service, mind you, in which Jonathan Cain suggested that married couples watch pornography together.
And she was up there with him. Not only does she have horrible theology, but she has horrible morals. But this is what you expect with false teachers, because false teachers by definition are unregenerate. And so therefore, they do not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, there is no restraint on their flesh.
No more restraint than any average lost person can muster up. That's why you see in the charismatic movement right now, you see it's just saturated with sexual scandals. Robert Morris, Michael Brown, Carl Lentz, Brian Houston, it's just everywhere you look.
Sean Bolz, it's just one right after another here in the last couple of years. Well, that's because they're false teachers. And false teachers' lives are marked by sensuality and immorality. Yeah, it can certainly happen to even sound believers, as well as we've seen the case recently.
But you're right, often false doctrine, false theology, false teachers, it goes with other errant lifestyle choices in the sexual realm and the financial realm. And otherwise, Justin Peters is our guest today on The Christian Real View. I was thinking of one more thing as you were talking, just the fact that Paula White will be speaking into Donald Trump's ear. He's going to look to her as, what do Christians want? And I'm guessing that she has a very dominionistic view of the faith, what it should be in government.
And I don't know if she holds to all the new apostolic reformation type things, but I'm guessing there's lots of crossover there. So you can see how that could be very much of a danger for President Trump to go down roads he shouldn't go down as a president. So we'll have to watch closely to that. Justin, just one more question for you. And your article in the journal is extensive. We're just touching on a few little paragraphs from it.
So I'd encourage listeners to get the journal and read the column. But you said this, I'm not upset with President Trump, that he chose Paula White to lead this new office. Donald Trump is not a theologian and does not understand the theological heresies of the Word of Faith movement. But I am upset not only with Paula White and those of her ilk, but with the prominent Southern Baptist pastors who are fully aware of the Paula White problem that you've been talking about today.
Who she is, what she teaches, and what the Word of Faith prosperity gospel is. Jack Graham and Robert Jeffress, for example, pastors of two of the largest Southern Baptist churches in the nation. And they both have enthusiastically endorsed Paula White.
Tell us more about this, Justin. Both of these men in 2019, of course, this was Trump's first administration, right? And Paula White was the chairman of Trump's Spiritual Advisory Board. And Robert Jeffress and Jack Graham were part of this, along with other Word of Faith teachers.
Kenneth Copeland, one of them, by the way, was another obvious charlatan wolf. Paula White came out with a book called Something Greater. And Robert Jeffress said, My friend, Paula White-Cain, has a wonderful new book releasing tomorrow about God's power to transform lives.
Read Something Greater and give it to anyone looking for hope. And Jack Graham had a very similar endorsement of her book. I have no problem at all with Robert Jeffress and Jack Graham supporting Donald Trump for president.
I did too, and still do. But it's an entirely different thing when you start talking about their endorsement of Paula White. This is a woman, as we've said, she meets every single biblical criterion as to how to discern a false teacher. If Paula White is not a false teacher, nobody is.
If Paula White is not a false teacher, the term has no meaning. Robert Jeffress and Jack Graham, these are two of the most prominent Southern Baptist pastors in the world, with two of the largest Southern Baptist churches, Preston Wood and First Baptist Dallas. And yet they are endorsing one of the most notorious and obvious false teachers. Paul said, I think I've already referenced it, Titus chapter one, verse nine, he says, teach sound doctrine and refute those who contradict. So this is one of the most solemn responsibilities of a pastor is to teach sound doctrine and refute those who contradict it. If you can't refute Paula White, who can you refute? I mean, these are men, David, as Southern Baptists who would say, we don't believe that women are allowed to be pastors biblically. We don't believe in the prosperity gospel. We don't believe in fake signs and wonders. So why are you endorsing Paula White, who is infamous for fake signs and wonders, claiming she's been to the throne room of God, caught up into heaven?
I could go on and on and on. One of the pastor's most solemn responsibilities is to protect his flock from wolves. Well, thank you for telling us more about Paula White, Justin, and why this is such a poor choice by President Trump. It's a good reminder to pray for the president even more that he's not led astray. Thank you for coming on the program today, Justin. Appreciate your ministry and just wish all of God's best and grace to you. Thank you so much, David. God bless you, brother. Thank you. Well, I think you can see that Justin Peters faithfully pursues the Bible's call to contend earnestly for the faith, which was once for all handed down to the saints.
That's from Jude 3. We have links to the ministry he leads, which has all kinds of written and video resources about the Word of Faith movement at our website, thechristianroyalview.org. And be sure to get the March issue of the Christian Royal View Journal, where he delves much deeper into this topic in his column this month.
Next segment, Twyla Brace will be with us to inform us about a national ID push called Real ID. I'm David Wheaton, and you are listening to the Christian Royal View radio program. The Christian Royal View Journal is our monthly 12-page, full-color print publication designed to sharpen your biblical worldview on current events and issues of the faith. The journal is anchored each month with three columns, including one by Christian geopolitical and prophecy analyst Soren Kern.
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Be sure to visit thechristianroyalview.org where you can sign up for our weekly email, The Christian Worldview Journal monthly print publication, order resources for adults and children, and support the ministry. In this final segment, Twyla Brace of Citizens' Council for Health Freedom joins us. Twyla, you recently sent out an email to those on your mailing list about the Real ID.
I'm just going to read a portion of that email. You said, Real ID is an unconstitutional national ID that will end state and personal sovereignty. Fully imposed, the national ID will be digitized, embedded on your phone, made real-time and remotely accessible, and used to track and control travel, movement, purchases, and transactions. Real ID may lead to a China-like social credit system and may be linked to a global identification system. The Secretary of Homeland Security can expand required uses of this national ID, such as accessing medical care, buying a gun, getting married, buying a home, and opening a bank account. Twyla, explain more about what Real ID is and why aren't we hearing more about this growth of it in the media? So, in 2005, in the middle of the night, on the floor of the U.S. Senate, Senator Lamar Alexander from Tennessee said, this is a national identification card.
And he said that they hadn't asked the American public about this, and he was concerned about imposing a national identification card without any kind of national debate amongst the American people. But they went and passed the law anyway. And so, in 2008, three years later, the Department of Homeland Security came out with a rule requiring every state to comply with the federal Real ID Act. And 37 states said no. 25 of them wrote bills that prohibited compliance with Real ID. And then 12 passed resolutions against Real ID. And so, 37 states said no. And that really stalled this federal program, this national ID card. But then in 2016, President Obama came out with the You Can't Fly lie. It was a lie. It's always been a lie because you can fly. There are 16 other acceptable identification cards according to the TSA. And even if you don't have an idea, if any of you have ever been stuck at the airport without your ID, for whatever reason, it was stolen, you lost it, whatever, you find out that you can actually fly.
You just go through a question and answer period with an agent, and then they do a search, and then you're on your way onto the plane. Of course, it takes a little longer. So, that's always been a lie. And once that lie happened in 2016, legislators started to cave. It was a whole new crop of legislators, right? Their constituents were calling them saying, what do you mean I can't fly?
Fix this. I need to go to my vacation home. I need to travel.
I need to see my grandchildren, my grandparents, you know, whatever it was. And so, now 50 states have complied. They have conformed their state laws to the federal Real ID Act. And they are fully cooperating with implementing this unconstitutional national ID card. However, 44% of cards are not compliant. So, people have not complied. People, individuals, Americans, patriots, they have not complied. They don't want to pay the extra money. They don't want to bring in the extra paperwork. And some of them actually know this is a national ID system. It's unconstitutional.
It's a violation of their privacy rights, violation of state rights, and they don't want to conform. So, now what has happened is that the TSA has put out a brand new rule. And they have said that starting on May 7th, there will be progressive enforcement with progressive consequences for people who do not have Real ID compliant IDs. And so, we are working to try to get Congress to shut down the TSA rule, but also to repeal the Real ID law. And so, we have an entire campaign focused on shutting down this entire operation, this entire national identification system, which we believe will ultimately lead to or pave the way to a China-like social credit system of tracking and control over all aspects of your life. And I think, you know, the part you said, David, about the Secretary of Homeland Security, in the federal law, it says that the Secretary of Homeland Security can unilaterally decide how to expand the required uses of this national ID card. And in a rule, the Secretary of Homeland Security has said that they do not have to go to Congress or the President before they do that. And from our perspective as a healthcare freedom organization, we believe that when they get enough people to comply, the final hammer, as it were, will be that the Secretary will say that you need a Real ID to access medical care, and then everyone will submit. And our organization is working now to make sure we never get to that situation.
Well explained, Twyla. So, what do you want listeners to do? I know you have some links to contact people's congressional representative. What do you want us to do? So, I would like your listeners to go to refuserealid.org, refuserealid.org, and take action.
We have the links right there, and we have created language for a text, for a Facebook post, and an ex-post. And you can take that and put it on Instagram or any other social media, and send it to those members of Congress, your members of Congress. And if you're on Truth Social, send it to the President. Say, shut down Real ID. It's unconstitutional. It's a violation of states' rights. It's a violation of my rights.
It's a violation of privacy rights. And we don't want a social credit system. You know, say whatever words you want to, and then I would like everybody who pulls out their ID and their driver's license and finds a star on their ID to realize that they have Real ID already today, and then to take action to get rid of that card. So, there's only five states that require Real ID and do not let you have a standard identification card. And so, everybody else in those 45 states can go get a standard driver's license or a standard ID. And those 44 percent of cards that are uncompliant, not compliant today, we want to raise that to 48 percent, and 52 percent, and 56 percent, so that it makes it much harder for them to impose this unconstitutional digital.
It's going to be digital. The heads of the DMV departments in every state, they testified to Congress that their plan is to make Real ID digital and put it on your phones and make it remotely accessible. So, now is the time to take action.
Now is the time to stop them from being able to do this. So, get yourself a standard driver's license. The five states that you can't make a change at this moment, but you can tell the governor and the legislature to stop complying and let you have a standard driver's license, but the five states are Florida, Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, and Wyoming. So, all of those states can contact and say, you know, shut down this conformity business and get me a standard driver's license.
And in every other state, you can just go get yourself a standard driver's license. And that is your individual and very important act to put a stop to a national ID system in this country, which will take away all of our freedom. Twyla Brace is our guest today here on the Christian Wheelview from Citizens Council for Health Freedom. We have links to her excellent organization at our website, thechristianwheelview.org. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is now the head of the Department of Health and Human Services. He's very much against the huge increase in childhood vaccines and the unhealthy food industry. What do you see going forward with him as it relates to health and health care in this country? He is head of the entire agency and the entire department. So, he has even more things than what you just mentioned that he is responsible for, like the entirety of Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare. It's all under him. And I think he doesn't know as much about that. And I'm concerned about where he might go because he may not know as much about that. But on the MAHA agenda and the vaccines, et cetera, well, now we see some of the things that have happened, like the CDC's flu vaccine commercials were shut down and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
That meeting has been postponed. I think he's planning to reconfigure it and get other voices in there. And so, I think at the end of the day, there's going to be a lot less corporate influence in what comes out of HHS regarding food and vaccines. I'm not sure about the other side, you know, the Medicare, Medicaid, et cetera.
And I certainly hope to be a voice in his ear. But I think it's an opportunity for a reset on the entire continual growth of one vaccine after another for our children, putting these things on the childhood immunization schedule, which is just a profiteering boom for these pharma companies and makes it difficult for parents to have their children in school without being fully vaccinated with whatever the government says they need. And so, I think it's an opportunity for a reset. It's an opportunity for new types of research, all of the autism that's out. Why is that? For example, why did Somalis never have autism in Somaliland? Why is that? But now they have a huge percentage. Is it the shots?
I don't know. But I think it definitely needs to be investigated. And I think that'll come out of RFK being the head of HHS. Any other initiatives going on within the medical industry right now that our listeners should be aware of?
Yes, I think there's some very exciting things. In North Dakota, we helped a legislator write a bill to prevent clinics and hospitals from forcing parents to leave the exam room as they ask questions of the child. So, here's a powerful authority figure who's going to ask very sensitive questions like about gender, family life, sex, you know, everything else. They want that parent out of the room unless the child gives them permission. This is the wrong structure. And so, this bill would say that they can't do that. And it's already been passed by the North Dakota House.
And it is in the North Dakota Senate. And we are hoping for a yes vote and hoping to have that sent to the governor. Well, Twyla, we appreciate what you do with Citizens Council for Health Freedom and updating us on these important issues all the time. We will encourage our listeners to go to RefuseRealID.org and to push back against this national ID push. We also have links at our website, theChristianrealview.org, and also links to your organization as well. Thank you for coming on the Christian Real View Radio program today. Twyla, all of God's best and grace to you. Thank you so much.
All right, consider yourself informed and ready to take action against the Real ID. Thank you for joining us today on the Christian Real View and for your support of this nonprofit radio ministry. Let's remember that no matter what happens in the White House or with individual liberties, that nothing will be able to separate the true believer from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
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