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Enemies Within the Church Part 1—The Call to “Mark Them”

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January 21, 2022 7:00 pm

Enemies Within the Church Part 1—The Call to “Mark Them”

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January 21, 2022 7:00 pm

GUEST: CARY GORDON, Pastor and Executive Producer, Enemies Within The Church

As first century churches were established by followers of Christ, it didn’t take long for false teachings to creep in through people with persuasive personalities and ideologies. In response, Paul and others needed to constantly point out to churches what misrepresented God and His Word to keep professing Christians from going astray.

Paul wrote, “…mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17).

Today, a tidal wave of false teaching has flooded evangelical churches, seminaries, colleges, schools and bookstores. Some of the most notable evangelical leaders are propagating a Christian-sounding version of Critical Theory, known colloquially as Woke-ism. This is the false idea that oppressive “systemic injustice”—by whites toward blacks, men toward women, heterosexuals toward homosexuals—is the rule and reason for the ills that afflict the nation and church and therefore “equity” or “social justice” must be enacted.

A new documentary film entitled Enemies Within the Church shows just how insidious, pervasive, and destructive Woke-ism has become and who the main proponents are. Pastor Cary Gordon, the executive producer of the film, joins us on The Christian Worldview to warn believers and call the church to stand against this.

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Enemies within the church call that is a topic we discussed today. Right here on the Christian worldview radio program mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview restrains and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ on David with the host website is the Christian worldview on.

Thanks for joining us today and also thank you to our national sponsor Samaritan ministries provided Lucian to healthcare. Just go to our website the Christian to find out more as first century churches were established by followers of Christ. It didn't take long for false teachings to creep in through people with persuasive personalities and ideologies. In response, the apostle Paul and others needed to constantly point out to churches what misrepresented God in his word to keep professing Christians from going astray are being led astray. Paul wrote in Romans chapter 16 verse 17 mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them.

Today a title wave of false teaching has flooded evangelical churches, seminaries, colleges, schools and bookstores.

Some of the most notable evangelical leaders are propagating a Christian sounding version of critical theory, otherwise known as localism. This is the false idea that oppressive quote systemic injustice by whites tour Blacks men toward women heterosexuals toward homosexuals is the rule and reason for the ills that afflict the nation in the church and therefore quote equity or social justice must be pursued and enacted a new documentary film entitled enemies within the church, shows just how insidious, pervasive and destructive woke is and has become and who the main proponents are Pastor Carrie Gordon, the executive producer of the film joins us on the Christian worldview to warn believers and call the church to stand against this, let's get straight to that interview pastor Carrie Gordon thank you for coming on the Christian worldview today. Let's start our conversation by just playing a soundbite from the opening to your film enemies within the church. What happened to the living power transformer nation shaking Christianity trying to do is completely demolish westerns and to rebuild and just society. How do you break down American Christianity, just as so something that is critical race theory is so is something that is not a position that always engines me against the eye with universities will continue pretty heavily Marxist date yet, but that well on the life. Many of the seminaries and Bible colleges differently in the world you need to repent of your sin receive Christ messages you actually have under the weight of race, sex is a pastor Carrie that really gives a good flavor of what this film enemies within the church is all about and it's very comprehensive on the issues that were just and that soundbite issues of racism, homosexuality and transgender is your touching on all these issues that that are coming or not coming that already inside either the church or Christian seminaries, colleges and so forth. Tell us about what led you to produce this film enemies within the church.

Thank you for having me on your show. I so deeply appreciate it. I come from a long legacy of preachers three generations deep.

I understand ministry. I understand the purpose of the church.

I understand my calling from the Lord Jesus not only to declare the truth of the gospel, but an old-fashioned outdated idea that you're also supposed to defend that gospel from people who perverted course when I say outdated and old-fashioned. I'm being facetious because that's exactly what the Bible commands treat ministers to do and that's why we made the movie there is a false gospel that is permeating the church when we say it's already here. It is overwhelmingly obvious.

If you really look at the evidence, it is an almost all the Bible colleges and seminaries. So the next generation of ministers my son's age 19, 20 years old are going to come out of these Bible schools and seminaries believing a lie, believing the false teaching of critical race theory or the weird ideas that come from intersection analogy, the list goes on and on of the subtle heresies that are being perverted. I would sum it up this way to make it very simple because it's very difficult to keep up with the glossary terms of theological leftism. They invent new words almost every week who has the time to follow them around and figure out what all those words mean. Let me just tell you what being woke being intersectional assist gendered white privilege, racism, social justice all these terms boiled down essentially to one false teaching that is eternally deadly and is the idea that you teach people in the pulpit that they are great victims that are victims of economic inequality there victims of some kind of mistreatment because their skins the wrong color there victims because they were looked over because of their gender in a particular job. They were looking for there victims there victims there victims.

It's the victim Olympics.

The message of this false gospel is, you're a victim and all of these different kinds of people in from different sorts of ways of living. Oh you an apology because they're the cause of your victimization. So essentially you're the victim and they need to repent to you and this is in direct contrast with the real gospel of the Bible the real gospel says you're a villain you're a great villain because you committed sounds in your sentence contributed in some cosmic way outside of time to the murder of the very son of God, the son of God was perfect. He had done no wrong, but your sentence contributed to swinging a hammer that nailed him to the cross and therefore you owe God and enormous apology, you must repent now. That's the difference between the real gospel of the Bible and the false gospel of this social justice garbage that is in all of our Bible colleges and seminaries. Most all I say 99% and I would say to your audience. I don't care how virtuous the church you attend is I don't care how wonderful your pastor is every minister in America needs to know that their own church is in jeopardy if they do not take measures right now, especially generational measures to make sure that after their God is like the apostle Paul warned when I am gone. Ravenous wolves will enter into the flock and you've got to take steps right now to educate your congregation against this garbage because it is coming and it's coming after every denomination in the West. Pastor Carrie Gordon is our guest today on the Christian Realty. He is the executive producer and host of the film were discussing today to documentary enemies within the churches is been in the works for several years the production of this film talking about how the woke movement what you just described is infecting not just the church in general that the broadest definition of the Christian church were really getting into them, infecting the evangelical side of the church that the more theologically conservative biblical side of of Protestantism. We are offering this to our documentary film the DVD through the Christian Realty for donation of any amount to the ministry, retails for 1495. You can get it for a donation of any amount just go to the website the Christian or give us a call at one AAA 646-2233 will tell you more information about how you can get it throughout the interview, Carrie. Here's another soundbite early in the film on how the view of government has changed in this country. 58% of respondent millennial's now that's young persons in their middle 20s to about 40 years old right in their 58% of them said they did not want free markets in America and on capitalism. They overwhelmingly said they preferred socialism, fascism or communism you could lump all three of those categories. Together they don't agree on things, but they do agree on this day our status. The state gives permission for the individual to exist in one of the founding fathers believed they said no that is wrong. The individual person created in the image of God gives permission for the state to exist. So here's the question, how do you go from living in a country where a huge supermajority at one time, apparently cared about what their founding fathers would think to a great big supermajority today that firmly believe that the founding fathers were completely wrong and we need to be communist. You know that in 11 years. How much do these issues that you bring up in the film better infecting the church how much of the downstream of this this this move toward a bigger government, a statist type situation in this country. They are connected and I would describe it this way, the church just because of its supernatural grace and the power that Christ gave his church.

In Ephesians chapter 4 chapter 5 the power that the church has his nation changing so when you see a nation changing the wrong direction. You always have to ultimately go to the theological problem first. Everything else is downstream from the church.

So ironically here's what's happening.

The church is not teaching a corrected biblical worldview on Sunday and the preponderance of the evidence is overwhelming. According to Barna research's and their most recent survey, I think it took them 10 years to come to the conclusion less than 7% of the population of the United States of America has a biblical worldview that means, hardly anybody even knows what the Bible says and how to apply it to their lives, much less their politics and their worldview. So this is the beginning of the problem. It's not what is being taught so much as in this case, what is not being taught overwhelmingly. The church is silent on biblical worldview issues. Now you go from that to what are the churches speaking about who are speaking and then you have the social justice garbage which is contrary to a corrected biblical worldview and because people do not know what the Bible actually does teach regarding economics or race or anything else. Then they fall victim to the Christian language laid over top of the Marxist ideology the statist ideology and I think well if Jesus is a socialist. I want to be a socialist because I care about people and Jesus cared about people, and this is very appealing as you conceded that clip you just ran to young people who are upset about all the right things but don't know what to do about the problems they see in the world, so there probably motivated by a desire to do good and care for their neighbor, but they're being deceived very easily because the church will not address the topics that it needs to address when the church does address something they do it wrong. Now add to it the overwhelming influence of our humanistic statist government education system and you've got destruction. This is the ingredients of dynamite were taking it in her hands were shaking it up vigorously. It's going to blow up. It is blowing up and what people need is a biblical worldview.

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The executive producer of the documentary film talking about enemies within the church to see him in the film as well. He's really the host of it is a senior pastor of cornerstone church in Sioux City Iowa again were offering the film for a donation of any amount through DVD form and you can just get in contact with us. The usual ways to order through website the Christian or by calling us at one AAA 646-2233.

You can also write to us and will give you that address as though the program goes let's get into more of this issue of the seminars because it this is where the, the next generation of pastors shepherds are being trained to come out into your local church and lead your church, the formation of their theology and worldview is coming right from there you emphasizes quite a bit in the film, which I think is extremely helpful. Carrie and so this next soundbite starts out with the pastor of the bridge in New York, James Roberson, what social justice sounds like from the pulpit and then you interview in the latter part of the soundbite. A former professor from set up from the Southern Baptist theological seminary in Louisville Kentucky, it's Dr. Russell Fuller who was let go from that seminary, and he's talking about his experience with the leadership at the very top and what his experience was so let's get to that soundbite. We have to have a whole reorientation of the way that we do seminary race must be central to understanding God in America because race is central racism in Central America. Racism is not a personal experience racism. A system that will all experience.

I am feeling its detriment life. Feeling its benefits.

There's a great book color compromised by Jamar to okay just to quickly jump in to say that's what critical race theory sounds like from the pulpit and here's what that former professor who was let go from Southern seminary had to say about his experience there. I seen a real shift at Southern seminary within the last 5 to 6 years there's been a real shift toward the left and so again we have guys teaching postmodernism, social justice, and of course critical race theory, and you hear all the buzzwords for the very top so you have people like Matt Hall, who is now you know the second person I mean he's the Provost.

He teaches textbook critical race theory using all the buzz terms using all the concepts which is total harassment. You cannot take a secular doctrine. Combine it with Scripture without distorting and perverting the gospel. It's absolutely impossible to say I don't believe in critical race theory go look at the videos that are readily available about the way in a meeting. Al Mohler himself started using the very vocabulary and he talked about the problems of whiteness white privilege white privilege absolutely any startup about systemic racism and finally when the last things he said he said Marxism has insights and he said that in all Mohler said yes Marxism has insights) of the context he's already using the word whiteness as if he's accepting another faculty meeting earlier that year. He said listen, I don't agree with all the solution critical race theory offers for the racial problems but they are seeing the problems correctly. Therefore we sing is probably whiteness is a problem with white privilege. He's agreeing with Helder seeing the problems society. We need to see things does the Bible see things not critical race. Okay, that was Dr. Russell Fuller, a former professor of Southern Baptist theological seminary name. I might say will of course he's upset the institution to use to employ him and there's no recording of this, but alas, this is his testimony, and others have said the same thing as well. You really touched someone in evangelical Christianity here Al Mohler who is been sent a formerly untouchable and highly respected he's at least credited with being responsible for bringing the Southern Baptist convention of the conservative resurgence back. I think it was in the 80s turning that around when he first came in, and in into position there so II think the hard thing is for someone listening today was heard Al Mohler on a podcast of hours benefited from one of his books and inheres him near preach the gospel to get a lot of doctrines right what you say to the person who's listening today was grown through someone like Elmore or someone else you dress the films Tim Keller very popular evangelical pastor and author would you say to someone who says wait a second, these men are sound teachers. This is divisive. You should name names I've benefited greatly from their ministry and this is over the top.

Well I certainly understand the concern I share that one of the most difficult things for me as we delved into our deep, careful, thoughtful and thorough investigation of many agencies and organizations on parachurch operations around the United States, across 3 1/2 years. One of the most difficult things for me was dealing without Mohler Al Mohler is someone that I favorably cited my own sermons.

In fact, I know how and I got to meet Al several years ago I can't remember exactly when, but it had to do with Christian education and he came into our city and and was available and I ended up going to lunch at a barbecue place with him and really enjoyed it. I've read so many things in the compendium of Al Mohler's last couple of decades as a Christian thought leader in the reason why it's difficult is because if you read so many of the things that he's written across the decades. You admire him why because he has remained faithful to sound Orthodox Christian positions on the linchpin fundamental issues in the midst of a humanist movement in the church that wants to liberalize everything, and because he has in previous years, and so faithful and so careful about his positions. It's even more painful and difficult to see when he clearly in his own words publicly unashamedly takes a very different position than the old Al Mohler and so for the very reason that I have admired Al Mohler for so many years. That is precisely the reason why we must call Al Mohler to repent for what he has done publicly, not privately publicly he has taken a position where he literally repented for having held in Orthodox Christian position on the authority of Scripture over human sexuality and that cannot go on dealt with the worst thing you could do when a great man like Al Mohler publicly sentence me the very worst thing you could do would be to sweep it under the rug say nothing or maybe even worse than that defendant and so you won't see me directly criticizing Mohler so much as just asking questions and getting answers and then everyone watches the movie will just watch Al Mohler do what he did in minutes him talking it's him speaking is in front of hundreds and hundreds of people. The video has been watched in its entirety. The sermon is been viewed by tens of thousands of people who are being misled on a linchpin issue concerning human sexuality. The Bible is very clear about sodomy there to be nothing clearer than what is said in Romans one there is just no ambiguity in the Scripture about the issue of this so-called sexual orientation. He has completely turned hundred and 80 on that issue and that issue is a major major cause of so much pain in the United States and family government and self-government, and in our civil authorities because we have destroyed marriage by redefining the terms of what's good or bad concerning human sexuality, the very reason you honored someone because they are known to be a truth teller and to be straight with Scripture. If you get to the point where you're not willing to deal with them when they no longer tell you the truth, and they're no longer correctly handling the Scripture rather than honor them for their good behavior you've put them in a position of potential idolatry and you're beginning to defend the very thing that will destroy them. My greatest concern is for Al Mohler. I want Al to be right on this issue because I don't want him to get in great trouble with God. And so the movie is done with the hopes that not only will a good man like Al Mohler say you know what I really missed it. I don't know why he did it but he did and everyone can see that he did it and now Mohler has to repent for his public sounds just the same as everyone else does. Al Mohler is beneath the authority of the Scriptures just like everyone else is and it is our duty because we care for Al and all the people who listen to Al that he get this issue corrected and get it right. Let me just play that soundbite from Al Mohler, solicitors have a chance to hear for themselves what are the embarrassments that I have to bear that I have written some of these issues now for nearly 30 years and ended a couple points I have to say I got that wrong and we got back and corrected corrected my Scripture early in this controversy. I felt quite necessary in order to make clear the gospel to deny anything like a sexual orientation, speaking at an event for the nationalization of evangelical made that point, I repent of. So there it is. Al Mohler said he once did not believe in sexual orientation that you're born that way but now he's repenting for saying that. And of course this idea of sexual orientation.

I was born this way has been used as the rationale for well since I born this way then this is the way God made me and so therefore homosexuality is wrong, exactly. And think of the consequences rather you know what's happening right now.

I just received information on this yesterday from another minister who is very concerned they are using the term sexual orientation as a bludgeon through the legislative process in primarily the judicial process in our courts and they're saying that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.

Therefore, guess what happens the same legal accommodations made for homosexuality and gay marriage.

If it is true that it's a so-called sexual orientation, which by the way, the term sexual orientation is the creation of atheist people right.

I mean this is a term not found in the Bible is an atheistic terminology and once you give that label to a particular deviancy then you have to give legal accommodations to it.

So right now in the church where we've accepted the term sexual orientation.

You have churches falling all over themselves to say what we are gay friendly weird gay accommodating. Think of the apostasy.

Why are we saying hey worse even friendly were adults were friendly.

We welcome all adulterers, we welcome all the thieves. The church is not here to be welcoming toward San. The church is here to confront San and command centers to repent everywhere. Which is precisely the language of the Bible and the mission of the New Testament church so if were gay friendly. Now were going to become pedophilia, friendly and 10 years. Why because of this horrible term, sexual orientation, Al Mohler knows this because if you go back and read what he wrote.

He was warning about these consequences for our society for accepting the term sexual orientation. He was warning us about the terrible tragedy of accepting this lie many years ago and now he's repenting for warning us and telling us that we should all accepted the consequences will be normalizing sexual fetishes with children it's abominable. It must be stopped. It's got to be rebuked and Al Mohler has got to repent and recant. That's the problem here.

It's not just that some unknown pastor would be bad enough, some unknown pastor in some small town church. This is one of the most prominent evangelicals just said we just did there and also on the issue of race and II think the other thing that the film brings out really well enemies within the church is that he presides over the new vetting is the largest seminary in the country of the largest Christian denomination. He tolerates with within that seminary.

People like Matt Hall, the Provost and other professors that are clearly promoting critical race theory, and that seminary your film points out many of them.

He obviously agrees with these professors or he would have them removed and not Russell Fuller.

The professor we heard earlier in a soundbite who has been removed from Southern seminary again. Our guest today is Pastor Carrie Gordon executive producer and host of enemies within the church. An excellent documentary film, it's two hours long. You can get the DVD through the Christian worldview for donation of any amount just get in contact with us. The usual ways. By going for a website the Christian or calling us toll-free 1888 646-2233. That's wonderful. Eight 646-2233.

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A fiery sermon where you have a strong rebuke and exhortation for the church and for believers was here that if we would just do what the Bible tells us to do. We would just say what it says to say that message is so powerful. There is not an army in the world that can withstand that there's not a nation in the world that can withstand the preaching of the real gospel that can serve people willing to preach the gospel is God. We know that was some passionate preaching and a powerful conclusion to the film so tell us what is the primary purpose of this film is it to inform and revive the church to biblical fidelity and or is it about quote unquote saving America or maybe it's better asked this way would have to happen in our society, whether in the country of the church for you to conclude that the mission is been accomplished while the greatest objective of the film is to proclaim the real gospel and to do it the way that the Bible teaches us to do it. We have a seven problem. Every problem we face in the world. Whether it's a political problem a legal problem.

A government problem poverty problem. The race problem. All of this is because of sin in the Bible tells us where sin comes from.

It comes from us comes from all of us. The Bible says all of the sand fallen short of the glory of God. The issue is that the modern church is his not willing to confront Sam is just that simple. There, finding ways to talk about positive, happy things. God loves you. Jesus loves you, and what they've done is they've emphasize truths out of the Bible at the expense of other things that they're not saying my greatest concern is that many people that go to church believe they are born again believe there saved would call themselves a Christian and they aren't they been completely deceived, I'm concerned with the same thing. Jesus warned us about. He said on that day.

Many will stand before my father and he'll say, depart from me, for I've never known you, you are a worker of lawlessness and they will argue with God and sake, but I prophesied in your name and I did all of these good things in your name and I what Jesus was describing was a majority of persons at the judgment who truly believed they were Christians and believe they were serving God and believed that they were serving Jesus will find out that they were full and so are greatest objective is to address problems in a false gospel that is fostering that kind of terrible ending for a lot of well-meaning people that think they're born again and I don't think they really are what we want is we want people to know how do you define sent will sin is transgression of the law and that's a topic nobody wants to preach on the Old Testament law got all kinds of weird ideas about it, but we still need it's a standard it's objective truth in the 10 Commandments. It never changes. We identify the problem by looking at our inability to keep the law so the law is what America needs to hear because America needs to stop being proud of their sin and be convicted for being centers. That's the first step people of God to repent so we want to convict people of their sin so that what can happen so that they can repent and find out that the solution is Jesus Christ. He came to this world. He took our punishment for our sins, he never send himself we put them on a tree and brutalized him until he was dead. He was buried in the ground on he rose from the dead he ascended on high, he seated on his throne and is returning again and the whole world must be brought to repentance before he returns because when he returns he's going to deal with sin, so we either deal with it now or he's going to deal with it later.

I want people to know what the true gospel is I hope pastors will repent for messing this up and go back into their pulpits.

After watching this movie and say I'm going to teach people the definition of sin. I'm to take him to the longer preach the 10 Commandments and I'm going to get rid of this anthemic antinomian stuff and stop talking about love all the time and I'm gonna be sure that my congregation really understand what Jesus did on the cross by taking their sins, and that they get repentance so that they can be born again, but wonderful news.

Of course, is after all those things happens not before or after, you can't skip this step that you have to repent, you can't skip this step of the clearly defining what sin is. But once you get that dealt with though wonderful good news of the gospel as you can be forgiven and washed clean of every horrible thing you've ever done in your life be received by the love of God in heaven when you die, so that's our greatest our greatest goal is to restore it least to shake people enough to get them to go back and say what is the real gospel. What should I be preaching what should I be saying to my friends, family and neighbors. And if we could get back to happen.

The only way you're ever going to see beneficial things in a political way and illegally. The only way you're going to see liberty restored in the future of this country will be only if Americans repent and get born again and start obeying the teachings of the Bible.

There's no other way to save America. We have to save America by stating individual people through the preaching of the gospel that is so well said, and we are in hearty agreement with that because without regeneration without change tart seniors beating your head against the wall trying to make unbelievers vote the way you wanted to make a boat like Christians are never going to do that. So as actually as the church becomes more influential, like a once once was in this country is the pulpit is become stronger as you just mentioned you don't individualize her changed and then families are changed and Lord willing, society will will change some as well but pastor care. We thank you for coming on the program today. We thank you for all the time. You can imagine the time it did took to put together this this documentary enemies within the church. The cinematography is excellent. This is a very professionally produced film by the way have a mention that yet, but love the photography just it's it's really well done. Technically, so congratulations on that were really proud of it. We actually did have a big Hollywood studio help reduce the movie so it is very well done were very proud of that. Thank you for noticing even beyond what you said about the gospel, which is the most important thing, but we really hope people see this film because it's going to inform them and just give them greater discernment to know what's going on. It's a lot to even to watch this film, even to kind of process that all the different angles coming in the connections in the organizations and all the different people you have to have a page on your website that I think is helpful to list some of these these folks are apportioning this woke is him into the church as it still was: woke up ED on on your website will link that on our website as well. I think that's helpful to have people informed about what is going on so that's why we recommend the film.

Thank you again and we just wish all of God's best, and grace to you are looking forward to talking to some of the other guests that you had the film in the coming weeks will thank you.

It's an honor to be with you. Okay you been listening to an interview with pastor Carrie Gordon.

The executive producer and host of the documentary film enemies within the church. Just a few follow-up thoughts on this film in this topic number one.

This film is polemical. That means that it's a critique, it points out air in the air being poured out his woke is a more critical theory that our nation and the church is systemically unjust against Blacks, women, homosexuals, nephew oppressors whites males heterosexuals need to give up power and to pay. That's where the reparations come in equity as they call it needs to be forced, forced equality, forced equal outcomes. This is a Marxist based on biblical worldview that is taken captive. Many evangelical leaders that the film doesn't address women preaching to men.

I wish it would have because that corrupts God's design for male headship in the church in the home that is a big issue as well, but wasn't dealt with.

I don't think very much at all.

In the film, churches and pastors rarely do polemics today.

Despite the fact that there is a strong New Testament example and really command to do so.

Jesus himself said in Matthew chapter 7 beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.

Jesus also said in Matthew chapter 23 read that chapter sometime it's one woe after the other on the Pharisees, the religious leaders of his day. He said to the crowds and to his disciples.

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat so you must be careful to do everything they tell you, but do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. This is strong. Go down to verse 15 Matthew chapter 23 woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites.

This is Jesus talking you travel over land and sea to win a single convert and when you have succeeded. You make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. This is Jesus talking this is polemics pointing out where Paul the apostle Paul to Timothy first Timothy one hears what he says to his understudy in the faith, keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are used in the name names Hyman Naess and Alexander whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme. That's polemics. Romans 1617, Paul writes, no, I urge you, brethren keep you or I or Mark those it says in a different version who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching what you learned in turn away from them for such men are slaves, not of our Lord Jesus Christ, but of their own appetites and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting. That's why polemics are necessary right there because those who deceive. They have smooth and flattering speech. Their great communicators and what they propagate.

Deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting look at second Peter chapter 2 hears Peter writing us but false prophets who will arose among the people.

Just as there will also be false teachers among you who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

These men do not hold back where there is Jesus, the apostle Paul, Peter look at John first John four beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God because many false prophets have gone out into the world. That's just a sampling of verses in the New Testament that are polemical in nature. Watch out for this critique. This test this Mark those so if your church and your pastor never names names and never points out error will the congregation people won't be warned it will be drawn away from those that are propagating heresy and woke is him is a heresy, to be sure, for many reasons not the least of which is that it fosters the generalized blame on people who don't necessarily deserve it and worse the sin of partiality kind of reverse racism or it's just blatant error what you hear today were Christians will say you can be us quote same-sex attracted Christian as if your desires don't matter in life is just what your actions are. That's a falsehood that leaves people to sin within their heart.

No one is above critique. Not even the ones that we like. On this program like John MacArthur, Steve Lawson, not even us. The Christian worldview. We want to know if were propagating any sort of biblical error so we can repent and return to accurately handling the word of truth. So, in summary of this first point, if you was a believer, or your church or your pastor never identifies or points out error or never names names because you want to quote keep it positive all the time you not following the model of Christ in the New Testament church. That being said, on the flipside, if polemics or critique or discernment is all that your church or ministry or the person or listen to listening to is doing. That's wrong as well. That shouldn't be the major focus of a ministry there's a balance that we need to have both an exhortation of truth in a critique or polemic against air. That's the first thought of this film number two. This film is much as we recommended is not going to be the be-all and end-all. That's going to save the church, God will make sure the true church always has a remnant of faithful believers who will hold fast to the truth of Scripture. But what this film does is it informs and warns of what has intruded into your church. The seminary from which pastors are being produced. Your Christian school or college so that you can know about it and then respond accordingly. Number three by recommending this film enemies within the church that does not mean that we are necessarily endorsing the church that this came out of pastor carries church cornerstone church in Iowa or even the guests who are interviewed in the film.

We don't know all of them well at this point I met Pastor Carrie for the first time in our interview but what we do agree on is that they have identified well what is taking place within evangelicalism number four woke is we believe is unlikely to go away anytime soon.

It has taken captive.

That's a biblical term. Once solid evangelical leaders is almost everywhere. Now you compare that to the emergent church member back about 20 years ago, which became very popular and now assertive almost gone away or morphed into something else I'm sure all the emergent people be very happy with the direction of this woke is him in the final point is this. Number five that we need to be wise about our response to this tidal wave of localism coming into the church. There is a idea. Ideology called dominion is them or kingdom now or Siana me that the Christian call is to overtake and Christianize the institutions or the laws of government that were all in favor. Christian should be for governments to honor God through our laws, but I don't think that is the biblical purpose of the church is to take over the institutions of society, or spend the majority of her time trying to Christianize our laws rather Christ gave us the purpose of the church and of believers in his great commission in Matthew chapter 28 when Christ said all authority has been given to me in heaven and and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you. And low I am with you always, even to the end of the age. So I think we need to be careful here and to follow what Jesus and the apostles did. They didn't spend any time trying to transform their very God, the society or the laws or the culture of their day. They focus exclusively on the spread of the good news about Christ because they knew that that would regenerate and save individual souls and as a byproduct of that that would also change families and communities as well. That being said, it's still a good thing to be politically engaged to run for your school board if that is what you like to do to attend rallies to devote to advocate for biblical views in public policies whenever you can. I think that's a good thing. We always need to ask ourselves what the Scripture commanded us to do and what did Jesus and the apostles model for us to do and that's clear our personal walk with God is a priority. The shepherding of your family, your membership and involvement in your local church. Your call to evangelism and discipleship and yes your involvement in politics in your community. But look at the priorities the core that falls in the list of priorities.

Okay so those are do some follow-up thoughts on the film, and again, we encourage you to order and you can do so by going to our website the Christian It's a two hour DVD retail for 1495 are offering it for a donation of any amount to the Christian worldview for a limited time. The Christian is a place to get it or call one AAA 646-2233.

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