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Thanksgiving Special: The Pilgrims’ Beliefs and the Founding of America

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November 26, 2021 7:00 pm

Thanksgiving Special: The Pilgrims’ Beliefs and the Founding of America

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GUEST: DR. JERRY NEWCOMBE, producer, The Pilgrims documentary

A small group of biblical Christians known as the the Pilgrims are widely considered to be “the founders of America”.

Numbering only about 400-500 souls, they had fled religious persecution in England to settle in Holland. But after ten years there, they decided on another move across the Atlantic Ocean to an unknown land that would become the United States.

About 50 Pilgrims were on the first vessel called The Mayflower, arriving in modern-day Cape Cod in Massachusetts in November 1620. One year later in November 1621, after a brutal winter in which many of them died, they celebrated a bountiful harvest with local Indians who had helped them in what has become known as the first Thanksgiving.

The Pilgrims and their biblical beliefs which led directly to the principles of the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution 150 years have been mostly forgotten by the majority of our population. “Separation of church and state” is a sacrament of mainstream society today…but it wasn’t to the Pilgrims. They said they came to America “for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith.”

Dr. Jerry Newcombe, producer of the documentary film, The Pilgrims, joins us this Thanksgiving weekend on The Christian Worldview to discuss the Pilgrims’ story and and what they believed and lived by. For in them we have an example for how we can live in our pilgrimage in a contrary world.

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A small group of biblical Christians known as the pilgrims are widely considered to be the founders of America numbering only about 400 to 500 souls. They had fled religious persecution in England to settle in the Holland after 10 years in Holland. They decided on another move across the Atlantic Ocean to an unknown land that would become the United States. About 50 pilgrims run that first vessel called the Mayflower arriving in modern-day Cape Cod in Massachusetts in November of the year 1621 year later in November 1621, 400 years ago after a brutal winter in which many of them died they celebrated a bountiful harvest with local Indians who would help them in what is become known as the first Thanksgiving.

The pilgrims and their biblical beliefs which led directly to the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution nearly 150 years later, have been mostly forgotten by the majority of our population.

Separation of church and state, as is said is a sacrament of mainstream society today, but it wasn't to the pilgrims.

They said they came to America quote for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith. Unquote Dr. Jerry Newcomb, producer of the documentary film. The pilgrims joins us today this Thanksgiving weekend on the Christian worldview to discuss the pilgrims story and what they believed and lived by for in them.

We have an example for how we can live in our pilgrimage in a contrary world. Jerry, thank you for coming on the Christian worldview before we get into your film. Just give us some background about yourself and how you came to saving faith in Christ.

I became born-again and that was back in the mid-1970s.

Later on I had the privilege to work for years now with Dr. D. James Kennedy actually work with the man himself, and he's always been very interested in history and especially the Christian history, but just at 60 parts of the American story, but that's been left out so much, David. In our time, and so when Dr. Peter low back resident of Westminster theological seminary. But he had founded an organization called Providence or dedicate to helping Americans learn about our true roots as a nation, and he ended up giving that Providence form as a ministry to D. James Kennedy ministries and the ministry agreed to it only if they had somebody who could run the ministry or the ministry, and that was me and actually is a labor of love. I was making these films on the Christian origins of America and then this is a whole series of films but the first one begins with the pilgrims because the pilgrims even though they were very small group 8 truly helps set the positive trajectory for America and the embody the essence of America, which is self rule under God Dr. Jerry Newcomb with us today in the Christian worldview talking about his documentary film called the pilgrims this Thanksgiving weekend were focusing on this and you say in the lead up to the film that the pilgrims came in. This is a quote right from them for the glory of God in the advancement of the Christian faith. That was their purpose for coming to America for the glory of God in the advancement of the Christian faith, and contrary to what the 6019 project would have you believe that they came for the purpose of white supremacy and or press the natives or to advance racism or slavery. Anything else.

This is what the pilgrims said were to find out today that this actually was their intent and they lay live that out.

Let's start out Jerry by playing a soundbite from the film the pilgrims early on, where there was a Plot Taking Pl. in England, I want to follow up with the question after that. In order to fully understand the pilgrims and their story we have to understand the religious controversies that engulfed England at that time.

For example, around midnight on November 5, 1605 in London, England, a justice of the peace named Sir Thomas knighted was making the rounds in the parliament building caught a fellow in the cellar of the building. That man was Guy Fox who turns out had planted 36 barrels loaded with gunpowder under the building. The next day, November 5 was to be an opening of proceedings in the House of Lords, attended by a special visit of King James. One of the Lords received an anonymous letter encouraging him not to attend that day by torturing Guy Fox, the authorities learned of a plot to buy a small group of renegade Catholics organized by Robert Catesby. They had rented a seller that extended under the House of Lords in the parliament building, and the goal was to blow up parliament with their 1800 pounds of gunpowder in those barrels. Thus, they reasoned, they would kill the king and the members of the House of Lords and violently forced England to revert to Catholicism.

Okay, that from the documentary are discussing today and tell the pilgrims the producer of it is with us on the program that I Dr. Jerry Newcomb that Daria sounds like the plot of some modern terrorism novel to hear that applying The Parliament and the king and everything else in the Catholics are trying to, you destroy that the Protestant leaning of the country at that particular time so that this is in the early I believe the early 1600s. You set out there so this is within 100 years of one the Protestant Reformation had started that started in 1517 now so you advance yourself 80 or 90 years, now or in the early 1600s to the question is how did the Protestant Reformation lead to the Situation Taking Pl. in England that was just described, and that soundbite from which the pilgrims would emerge. The gist of it is this in England. Henry VA wrote the church in his domain that that was in England he broke away from the Roman Catholic Church because the Roman Catholic Church would not sanction his divorce from his first wife and the reason it wouldn't do that is because of it was divorce and that he wanted to remarry in support and he wanted to do it because his first wife couldn't produce a son, and Henry VIII was his goal was just to get a son jointly so he broke away the church from England created the Church of England declared himself in the Archbishop of Canterbury. He was the head of the church and then later on what happened was his daughter, Lottie Mary tried to reverse England's back to Catholicism but she she ended up killing a lot of Protestants, you know, that's why they use the name bloodied Mary to this day she's all that and thankfully heard rain was very short-lived and then came Queen Elizabeth. Another child of Henry VIII and she lived in rain about half a century and during her time which she ended up doing was coming up with a compromise will have the Church of England have the doctrines of the Protestants, but the out word formalities of the Catholic so that that was a middle way. Meanwhile something Henry VIII had done that really change things in England for the better is he allowed for the first time the Bible in English to be released and what that ended up doing is as people started reading the Bible for themselves and they couldn't get enough of it. Many then began to look at the way the church was versus what the Bible says and they wanted to work for the purity of the church. They were called the Puritans and then a small sliver of her group called the separatists of which the pilgrims were one particular congregation. They felt like now that you know it's too far gone.

Just come out and be separate and so what they did in informing their church, their separatist churches. It was totally illegal. That's why.

Eventually the pilgrims left, but the reason I tell the story about Guy Fox in his attempt to block the king and Parliament is because it helps to explain the paranoia. King James I had against any religious nonconformance so he was very strong against the Puritans, the Catholics, the pilgrims dinner with the separatists again, a very small subset really of the Puritans if you will the Presbyterians of one of James's quotes is Presbytery agree it with monarchy like God with the devil.

In other words, it doesn't agree. By the way that guy Fox fellow.

To this day. In England they celebrate on November 5. Guy Fox day and there's even a famous mass patterned after guy Fox and you've seen it, David. You've seen it a thousand times its use by anarchists yeah and so forth. It's at famous mass and I show it in.

In the documentary up and so anyway the whole point of even bringing up this guy Fox plot is to show the kind of paranoia.

James had if anybody would not conform to the Church of England.

Yes, a thousand interesting part of the film. I hadn't heard that before, and in how they created this climate of real paranoia, like you said to you from King James toward anyone who would dissent with him and so that put the this small little sect of pilgrims early in his crosshairs and also the Puritans and others I Dr. Jerry Newcomb with us today here on the Christian worldview were talking about his film the pilgrims which we have available with the Christian worldview for donation of any amount to our ministry.

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By going to our website the Christian, or by just calling us toll-free, one AAA eight 646-2233. It's a 57 minute documentary, I want to get to the next soundbite.

Jerry, the film covers the difference between the King James version of the Bible that was all that was authorized by King James or you just mentioned and how that was meant to be a pushback really against the Geneva Bible.

What should been brought up by the reformers believe about 40 or 50 years earlier in the year 1560 solidify that soundbite and have you comment King James is best known today for the beloved masterpiece that bears his name.

The King James Bible, which was first published in 1611, James enrolled more than 50 of England's greatest scholars from Oxford, Cambridge and Westminster to assemble this translation.

The only reason the King James even agreed to a new translation of the Bible was to dethrone the Geneva Bible of 1560, which was very popular with the Puritans and the separatists. That was a thread that appeared a couple times and in your documentary just about how the back and forth these two Bibles and even mentioned that overcoming over on the ship. The Mayflower that that the pilgrims had the Geneva Bible and some of the others are with them had the strangers. I guess what it was would have the the King James Bible talk about how that debate was was raging back then and why King James did not like marginal notes that he would find in the Geneva Bible. So for example in X. This, in the early chapters were talks about how the midwives would take the Hebrew babies and save them contrary to the will of Pharaoh. The footnote said something like the active Christian believer has to disobey the magistrate if the magistrate is is trying to get them to disobey God.

We know that credit that we must obey God rather than that.

It bothered King James frankly was a tyrant. You know, he said I will make them conform or I will Harry them out of the land or do worse. Winston Churchill said that the his motto. James is motto when it comes to religion was no bishops, no King's own liberty felt that he could rule his subjects through the bishops, but if you have these independent congregations like the pilgrims were an independent congregation. He couldn't control that.

And that bothered so when the Puritans and Presbyterians and other nonconformance when they met with King James I.

Early on in his reign and he started in 1603 the gunpowder treason. A plot of guy Fox 1605, they asked him all you know you relax. This note can you relax that no can you resist Nope nope nope nope nope. What good would you consider doing a new Bible yeah yeah I'll consider doing that and to his credit, he assembled more than 50 of the finest scholars at that time and other were to groups of scholars from Oxford to group the scholars from Cambridge into group the scholars of Westminster Abbey. Each assigned to different sections of the Scriptures to translate them and to compile them and when the work is finally finished in 1611.

They produce probably the world's best seller ever the King James version Bible. It just amazing the King James version has influence our English and it's really a tremendously powerful and influential thing and it's it's funny that people think of thinking very reverential way because of five or so wonderful and it serves vanity so well and yet in reality the guy was a tyrant and that the one great thing that the Christian worldview returns in just a moment. Recent guest Kalb Eisner defines economics as moral philosophy applied to marketplace relationships, so it makes sense that as our nation's judgment of what is right and wrong has moved away from biblical morality are economic policies have gone the same wrong direction.

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It was illegal for them to have these a separate meeting so in in Holland they would be tolerated and so they they set their goal to do that and even getting to Holland was that easy. Twice a met with great difficulty that we we spell out the details of that in the film, but the bottom line is they finally by God's grace. They make it to Holland and they get tolerated and they enjoy good years of fellowship.

At first, and that so it's all it's all great but then after a while. After about 10 years. The hours were so difficult and worst of all their children were starting to be lured away by the ways of the world. The Dutch you and by this time they had heard about Jamestown and suspected it was a permanent British establishment in North America and so they basically decided what, let's go to the northern parts of Virginia so that was what their goal was to go to to go to America and they would do it piecemeal. Sending out about 50 actually little bit more than that. At first, but they were using two boats are planning to use two boats and one of them on seaworthy so they had to kind of downsize, so it ended up being only about 50 of their own number on that first Mayflower voyage and then they sent over all others from Holland came over and joined them at Plymouth points. That was a step. Keep in mind there's only 400 or 500 total pilgrims in Holland at this time. That was the entirety of the pilgrims, 50 of them came over to America on that first voyage in the Speedwell was not seaworthy that he couldn't go so that a cram into the Mayflower.

Some of them could get on it.

Families were separated apart. That's a almost unthinkable type of situation you we we we can't it's hard for us today. Jerry to get into the mindset of this in traveling to America from Holland or England. You just take an airplane or gone about a very different back then amenability. This showed in the film was fraught with death.

The meal just it was so often they with both would make it, people would die the way there be sicknesses. Storms are coming to a country by the way, that is not even developed to coming in the wilderness. Basically, that leads well into our next soundbite on one of the things that happened during the voyage amidst terrible state of Maine. The mask was certain, and passengers. The whole story could easily have ended up on the bottom of the Atlantic.

One of the pilgrims had a large iron from one board. Some historians argue it was a jack for lifting roofs on houses. Others argue it was part of the printing press.

Whatever it was, the main beam was secured with this large and so Mayflower was saying. On November 9, 1620 66 days after their departure. The first sighted land off Cape Cod once they got underway in the Mayflower. There they set sail. September 6, 1620 very late in the season because they had to go back to England to to get there. The Speedwell back in port and then cram on the Mayflower.

Just give us a sense of of what that voyage was like terrible was 66 days and because of the delays involving the Speedwell.

They were basically coming in oh sailing over during the stormy seas and they were crammed into this lien decks which is about 5 feet tall. Whatever. That's where most of them were staying and so we will explore namely difficult.

By the way, this is men, women and children in the death rate. By the way of people dying on the voyage over was very small. Only two people died on the voyage of the Mayflower and in those days that was a rarity God's providence he chose to have it where only two people died.

One of the person who died was a sailor who was cursing the pilgrims out as they would sing the Psalms and he said I look forward to throwing after your dead bodies and shrouds over overboard that remark alone kind of shows you how common death was in voyages like that and somehow this man got some sort of disease and he died in his body got rolled over and there was no more grumbling against the pilgrims singing Psalms after that, but it just is an amazing story again of God's prophet yeah and this is so well laid out in the documentary film or talk about the pilgrims it's a 57 minute documentary just really highly recommended for you and your family to see this is some of the story, of course, you'll know from your your your school days, but this really brings out some good dealer details is good to be reminded of this with the founding of the country as our guest is Dr. Jerry Newcomb. The film is the pilgrims you can get a for donation of any amount to the Christian worldview. Just go to our website the Christian to order their or call us toll-free 1888 646-2233. You can also write to us as well and that that addresses given are at the end the program today.

Okay, let's get to one of the most important parts of this voyage before they arrive in America is that is the forming the writing of the Mayflower compact to me this this is a vulture importance to not only the pilgrims but way more broadly a nap because it was the precursor to the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution really constitutions a whole over the world easily little group. A band of pilgrims you wrote this thing before they landed a almost in a hurry. Actually, by the way they they realizes needed to be done.

We do have a exurban of a compact, how are going to behave a body politic here how we can a runner will society, and here's what it says in the film Mayflower compact was written November 11, 1620 on board the Mayflower itself. It was written in order to stop a mutiny potential mutiny with some of the ones were not part of the church that he will do what we want to do with us before disembarking the pilgrims ended up making world history by writing up what Winston Churchill called one of the remarkable documents in history.

It was a key forerunner to the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. It was the Mayflower compact in the name of gold.

We whose names are on the written little subjects about the red, silver, and the will to King James undertaken for the glory of gold and advancement of the Christian faith and the owner of Kingdon country for Provence, the first in the new components of the Kenya Dubai is present seldomly and mutually in the presence of God and one another, confident, and combine ourselves together into a single multi-politic for better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends of full set. I think it was intimated in the film Jerry that this document, the Mayflower compact was not something that that is kinda made up. This is the way the pilgrims had been living by these biblical principles for years and that their pastor, John Robinson, who was he called the film the most important pilgrim who never came to America and how she was really the inspiration for a lot of these these these ideas that the pilgrims brought over to America. That was the most important thing that brought their faith and their the father faces can be lived out in civil society, and of course this in their faith as well. Why was this Mayflower compact so significant to the pilgrims, but also much more broadly to the world as as Guinness were exported.

The biblical concept of covenant gave rise to the American Constitution a covenant is an agreement that somebody makes with God and with each other. So in the case of the pilgrims before they even became a specific congregation back in 1606 they made a covenant that was not written down, or if it was written down.

We don't have a copy of it. They made a covenant with the other under God to be this specific congregation to meet each other's needs to love one another to live out the gospel amongst them selves as as a united church and so when they were there on the Mayflower. In light of the fact that the couple of the hired hands that they had with us were sympathetic to their trip, who might've been having their own Bible with them, but that would've been a King James Bible verse, the Geneva Bible another. They want a part of of the separatist congregation. People like Myles Standish who was there hired soldier and security guard and the policeman, all rolled into one or John Alden, who was a barrel maker specialist in barrels and that was extremely important barrel of process and in these men, these strangers were sympathetic to the temperance because they understood they were going into the New World and create in this Bible Commonwealth where the Bible and living by the Bible to know the church was the hub of everything they understood that, but they were blown off course and the patent that they had the frame of government actually approved by King James himself was no longer valid and so they were under no governments jurisdiction so some of these hired strangers or whatever were you mumbling among themselves about the possibility of setting out on their own. Once they landed and got on their firm. So before setting one single on American soil. The pilgrims made world history in writing up that Mayflower compact in this Mayflower compact was the first of about 100 or so different Puritans covenants and frames of governments and writings including some of the Quakers wrote up, such as William Penn and they were these unique Christian doctrines that the all the way up to we the people as one man put it, Dr. Donald Lutz retired now, but formerly with the University of Houston, author of a book called the origins of American constitutionalism. He said we whose names are underwritten eventually morphs into the people.

These radical Protestant sect. That's a word to use their crazy radical Protestant sects, drawing from the Bible.

They're the ones that came up with all these different constitutions and and compact frames of government that uniquely led the way to the Constitution, so by the time the founding fathers sat down in Philadelphia in 1787 to create a new frame of government they already had 150 years of experience in doing so infected in another episode of this series.

The unknow the foundation of American liberty. We talk about the fundamental orders of Connecticut. To this day.

Connecticut likes to call itself the Constitution state and that's with good guys because the fundamental orders of Connecticut was the first fully developed Constitution written on American soil, and was written by these Puritans who founded Connecticut. It talks about the liberty and the got the purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus, and historian say it is in direct lineage to the U.S. Constitution of the first fully developed one of the hundred or so different charters and so forth from the Mayflower 77 this is an important part of artist Christian worldview returns in just a moment when it comes to your healthcare provider. What are some words you would use to describe your experience with comfort. These confidence will have Samaritan ministries and those are just some of the words are members use frequently like Samaritan member, former long-term board member and no staff member Jamie Pyles uses to describe his 24 year relationship with Samaritan ministries, or to the comfort of the relief you have.

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Their first governor John Carver died. That's William Bradford became governor he be covered for 30 years.

William Brewster was kind of their functioning pastor member John Robinson wasn't able to come over. He died a few years later, and then the captain of the ship Capt. Jones sometime in the spring lo and behold returns to England, so there goes your your boat is imaginary. Standing on the shore watching the Mayflower go back to England and users nowhere for you to go now you're here, he offered to take anyone back that wanted to go back and no one accepted, and so I want to get on to what you just said about how they live their lives that this from the film with the pilgrims. The church was the central focus of the pilgrims, the first building they build served as a church is a meeting house like a town hall and even how's some of them. They would often march to church with the drummer ahead of them, and with the men very muskets and swords for protection provided the main hymnbook for the pilgrims. In fact, the whole Bible was the center of their colony and the core of its entire purpose of the pilgrims did live according to the Bible that was a textbook for life. People come here and they say to me this is one of these children couldn't been well educated was no formal school and I wasn't well educated. I learned home that parents taught him in the textbook was the Bible that they did have supplementary materials. Gov. Bradford himself brought over 400 books with him on the Mayflower. The governor could speak five languages you hear all that. Jerry and these pilgrims, these sound like billable assists conservative born-again Christians with the Bible is the textbook for life. It doesn't sound like they believed in the separation of church and state. Although they had tolerance for those who didn't believe because they were with strangers. They later called strangers. Those who were part of the pilgrims sacked and they were dealing with to force the American Indians of the time. To us, and they weren't killing them off as a matter fact you bring that out well in the film that their treatments of finding corn that the Indians had had had cashed somewhere they found and they paid it back when they get when they want land, they'd always go through a Massasoit to men pay for the land me.

This was and they were come here to you here today all these early morning they stole the land living on stolen land will not. The pilgrims at least I were doing any that these people were very committed Christians talk more about their commitment to God and his word and how that really influence where they live their lives when they came to America doing to others as you would have them do it to you for this sums up the law and the prophets so that Jesus Christ and that's the way the pilgrims live. They treated one another.

That way they treated the strangers that they were dealing with a they treated the Native Americans that way. They made a treaty of peace with the Indians that lasted basically lasted more than 15 years, it outlived all of them were participating in that including Bradford, Squanto, who was there translator passes so it etc. so Dave merely were bottle Christians and the way they live in an interesting aspect that we bring out in the film is that they actually had a form of socialism imposed on them by the merchants from England had lent them the money to even make the voyage in the first place, and after a couple of years of seeing that this just did not work that that one person would get just as much corner.

Whatever as someone else.

But one person could work real hard and the other one might not work that hard. It just wasn't fair. They just basically abolished it. They said there's no way were to do this now want each person have their own plot of land and you are responsible for it and want to share anything fine but but the you know more.

This socialism communal system, realistic situation and that Dennis Prager points out in our film you socialism never works and it just undermines character. Whatever you say. Okay the government is going to take care of you people tend to just relax and not work as hard as they knew they would otherwise mom skipping over so much cheerfulness for the sake of time, and that particular point I want to play a soundbite below the listeners listen to that portion of the film is so ironic that they were experimenting with a socialistic type environment. Back then, early on, when they came here just didn't work and they found when they want to a land ownership and incentive and free trade. All of a sudden their productivity when applied multiple times and how ironic that what the pilgrims found that it failed when they experimented with it that were dallying and in trying to his many of our society. Political leaders trying to push dishonest today you history keeps on repeating itself, and that will hopefully come to learn that lesson again. Jerry Newcomb with us today here on the Christian really talking about the film. He produced the pilgrims is a documentary nearly one hour. You can get for donation of any amount just for a limited time here at the Christian worldview to Scott or a website the Christian or just call us one 888 646-2233 can also write to us will give an address or at the end of the program today just again just for the sake of times are going to skip over all the film the covers on the interactions with the. The Indians at the time how Edward Winslow basically helped Massasoit not die. You help them recover from disease. He had to howl again. The land wasn't stolen was paid for the first Thanksgiving getting together with the Indians and being thankful to God for his provision would still have time to get into all that today I want to play just one more soundbite before we conclude this is toward the end of the film were this is said Mayflower was a cargo ship but the most precious cargo is carried across the Atlantic with the ideas in the hearts of see the seeds of liberty, both religious liberty and civil liberty.

The idea of self-government and will from within. All these are within that body of pilgrims commercially.

Plymouth was never a resounding success. Winston Churchill noted financial supports in London.

No profits in 1627. They sold out in the Plymouth colony was left to its own resources, such as the founding may have technically been a commercial solution created a colony in the howling New England winter just so they can according to the dictates of conscience, far more influence on world history than they could have ever imagined. What would a big statement had more impact on world history than he could've imagined. They they they were the founders of America as as the focus. The film points out, and so I watch the film. Jerry, I think about our country today. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but our country has fallen very far away from this. These pilgrim ideas of who God is and how the Bible integrates in the life and being faithful, and so forth. And you look at where we are today with the division over critical race theory: the founding of America based on white supremacy to 16, 19 project which says that the other. This country is about really started when the first slaves came here that's what this country was was built to develop down and were still very racist country in a bad country you just look at all that this the dalliance with socialism today. Everything else going on just it's can be a little discouraging really are. For Christians who know about the pilgrims and what their intent was for this nation of core things aren't static are going to change. We live in a fallen world.

So my final question for you. Jerry is how do you think our country went from that to where it is today. What he think of in the causal factors of that and what is the charge that you would have for people who have heard her interview today as to what do we do now. Somebody once said it aware were all entitled to our own opinions but were not entitled to our own facts and the facts about American history are laid out in books like the annals of America, which by the way, is a product of the Encyclopaedia Britannica from the 1970s.

I own a copy of its about 20 different books volumes one, two and three deal with all the key documents that that are very important in American history. So the Mayflower compact is there, the fundamental orders of Connecticut is there, etc. and reputable historians that have looked at things like the 6019 project they said this is baloney. This is just not true. In effect the sixth 19 project is even had to back off on one of theirs speeches claims they they said that supposedly the American founders circuit now were jumping to the head to the time of the revolution. So, in the 1770s that they were fighting to defend slavery and that's just so ignorant. I'm sorry that so wrong to lie in in just to give one quick example 1774 in Virginia, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, George Mason and other Virginians that were part of the house of burgesses, which is their ruling body in that particular colony. They came up with something called the Fairfax resolves and that was basically a good try to provide a deathblow to the slave trade, at least as a start. Let's stop the slaves from being imported and into Virginia. Let's stop that. And King George III said no.

He vetoed that this would be for William Wilberforce's successful 50 year Christian crusade against the slavery you know in in the British Empire. First the slave trade that was volume part one of his crusade and then part two of his crusade was getting all the slaves freed by the time he died in 1833 he was successful but the one of the guests in our program is not in this particular episodes in the. The episode on the city on a hill which is the next episode. Dr. Walter Williams of Prof. from George Mason University now the late Dr. Walter Williams, but he makes a point saying slavery was mankind's failure virtually from the beginning of recorded history. The important thing about the Western world is how we spent so many considerable resources to uproot it. And so what the 1619 project is doing is basically peddling false history. There's been a lot of false history that's been peddled for example by a Marxist communist member member of the Communist Party USA Howard Zinn, who wrote a series of will became very popular books in the 1970s or I think was the 1970s. It got there about in the 1980s called a People's history of the United States and these books kind of rewrote everything and they they made Columbus from a hero into a billing and part of it, though, is that they actually Howard Zinn takes quotes out of context so he'll will have a quote from Columbus as an example which sounds like it's it, the Full Contact is is anti-slavery, but the way Howard Zinn edited it.

He made it into Columbus being pro slavery and that's not accurate but today Columbus is the number one dictum of statute top with no end in modern America. So yeah there is definitely a battle over history and the Marxists are certainly out there and they're doing their darndest and they certainly have a lot of the major universities in support but truth will out at the end of the day. The foundation of American liberty and we love you. Most people enjoy American liberty.

That foundation is the Judeo-Christian heritage. If you take that away completely.

We will collapse into tyranny.

So my covenant would be let's keep fighting this and fighting dinner with with truth, let's fight the falsehood with with the truth and think about the him though that that we sing at Thanksgiving time we gathered together one of the line says so. From the beginning the fight we were winning now Lord was that our side.

All glory be thine.

So let's be faithful doing what is right. Well I think that's a great encouragement exhortation maybe is the better word for us because then that's why think the film is so helpful because it does lay out the truth. The historic truth on who the pilgrims were how they founded America and the intentions they had for this country and so keep speaking the truth with grace and love and will see where the Lord leads the whole thing, but Jerry, thank you for coming on the Christian Realty radio program today. Thank you for producing this film we just encourage listeners to to watch this.

It doesn't need to be washed at Thanksgiving.

Of course it's it's really an evergreen type movie that you can watch any time. That will give you a sense of where we came from and will refute the lies that we hear on media all the time about the history of our country that this time or any time of year. So thank you for coming on the program in which all God's best in grace to you. Thank you and happy Thanksgiving to you David. We didn't just consider this season is the formative anniversary of the very first Thanksgiving in that flat.

What a legacy. I hope you are reminded about the founding of our country and listening to the interview with Dr. Jerry Newcomb today on the pilgrims. The quotes that they said themselves that they came to America quote for the glory of God in the advancement of the Christian faith. Unquote just sticks in my mind it's very sad to think about how far America has fallen the sinful natures of mankind.

The rebellion against God, like the Old Testament nation of Israel has led to where we are today, and this should impel us to personal repentance and the pursuit of sanctification as the pilgrims did. Let's proclaim the gospel whenever and wherever we have opportunity, let's pray for our leaders that they would honor God.

Let's ask and cry out to God that she would start spiritual revival in this country. If they to get a copy of the DVD again titled the pilgrims is nearly one hour long. You can order it through our website the Christian or you can call us toll-free 1888 646-2233. Our address is given right after the program. One final notice at our annual print letter in resource guide is going to be sent out soon if you not signed up for that free resource you can do so by getting in touch with us through our website or calling us.

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