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Eternal Security: Once Saved, Always Saved?

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September 7, 2018 8:00 pm

Eternal Security: Once Saved, Always Saved?

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September 7, 2018 8:00 pm

The last two weeks on the program, we have discussed discernment and apostasy. Discernment is the call for the believer to measure everything, especially spiritual teachers and their teaching, against the truth of Scripture, so that sound doctrine can be elevated and errant doctrine can be exposed and removed.

Where discernment is not exercised, all manner of false teaching fills the vacuum, leading the church into apostasy, which is a departing or falling away from primary doctrines of the faith, such as the character and nature of God and the person and work of Jesus Christ...

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Internal security one day always save Todd Friel, both of record radio and television joins that the day right here on the Christian worldview radio program or the minute you sharpen the biblical worldview of and to hear the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ, I'm David. We hope the program and our website is the Christian will thank you for joining us this weekend on the program to discuss the very important doctrine of eternal security. It says in Romans chapter 8 and this is probably one of the most paramount passages on this this this doctrine of eternal security. Romans 838 and 39 says, for I am convinced Paul writes that neither death nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God is referring to believers. There will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The last two weeks of the program. We have discussed the topics of discernment and apostasy discernment is that the call for the believer to measure everything, especially spiritual teachers and their teachings against the truth of Scripture, so that sound doctrine can be elevated in errant doctrine can be exposed and removed when discernment is not exercised all manner of false teaching fills the vacuum leading the church into this second topic which we discussed last weekend apostasy which is a departing or falling away from the primary doctrines of the faith such as the the character or nature of God in the person and work of Jesus Christ. When those get corrupted a corrupted question that arises when discussing apostasy is can a troop Christ follower depart the faith into apostasy. And this would be the person who outwardly professes faith in Christ and appears to live the Christian life maybe attends church and reads the Bible teaches or serves the ministry, but then just walks away from it or or starts up unrepentant Lee practicing sin or or even promoting heretical doctrines. So this week and on the Christian worldview and a follow-up to discernment and apostasy Todd Friel host of record radio and television joins us to discuss the issue of eternal security, and whether the believer is once saved always saved. Todd was recently here in Minnesota and he came into the Christian worldview. And here's the first segment of that interview. Tell us your your background and tell us. I became a follower of Christ yet to those atheists who would say you just grew up in a Christian home Sierra Christian that would not be the case for me. I did not grow up in a Christian home at all. I think I was baptized Episcopalian while as a baby don't remember it and all I did was get what that they would nevertheless a number of years later I was taken to church. I'd always had an horrible fear of death. It was just overwhelming for me at a young age and soon I was taken to church in about eighth grade and I heard I can go to heaven. I was all in. There was just a problem.

I really hadn't repented and put my trust in Jesus Christ.

So I went up to study to become a pastor.

But I wasn't actually saved there's a problem while sold after I graduated, I ended up doing business stuff and some stand-up comedy, etc. and then God graciously save me and that's why I'm sitting here today Todd Friel with us today in the Christian worldview.

So just one question about coming back to Minnesota here. What's it like to be back in Minnesota after you spent most of your life.

Your eye bananas and and how do you think is looking back is how did God use your time here to shape you. It's Midwestern. We live in Atlanta now. It is a zoo there.

There are people everywhere constantly when we were actually transported down from St. Paul to Atlanta Georgia.

We were on Highway 75 and we had walkie-talkies.

My wife was in front, and she was doing about 60 miles an hour and I said sweetheart.

You gotta speed up like a lot, you're causing problems here. We hit 80 and we were still getting the last we come back here and while it's definitely busier now in the Twin Cities. It's Midwestern, there's Midwestern sensibilities, there's less of an emphasis on external presentation here and it's just a little bit slower and called her and it gives me a sense of appreciation. I think for what really matters in life is not the theater in the hustle and the bustle and the skyscrapers just family, friends, fellow believer. That's the sweet stuff of land is so Todd tell us about wretched radio and TV and the purpose behind the ministry yeah I basically just find a really popular sermon and repeat it word for word, which is kind of the kindly face the church is no wretched. It's got a threefold purpose. We want to preach the gospel as often as we can equip the saints to share their faith and to strengthen the local church by pointing people toward a local body because that's where the real Christiane work it's done you. You've known this union radio. I do it this isn't where the real spiritual depth work placement is in the context of a local church so we want to encourage people to become a member of a Bible-based church flats are free. So what you think the importance of Christian radio is like the Christian worldview wretched what you think they do, it can be from men distally helpful to the local church when I when I first okay here's a shameful moment when we first started doing radio together at KK medicines under block bunker in the middle of the field. I thought the local church needed me.

That is 180 backwards will need to be supporting and encouraging the local church and if a radio program focuses on that it can be very helpful. Your preaching this weekend and in the Twin Cities here on eternal security. The idea once you're saved you're always saved.

Why is that an important topic its huge number of years ago we invited people because we were hearing from enough folks were lacking assurance. It's a complicated issue, but we set up an email address it doesn't work anymore because we got inundated from people who were confused about the state of their soul. They were terrified about the afterlife, even though they think they believed in, and it dawned on me, there's just a lot of folks who have not discovered this glorious doctrine. Charles Spurgeon said he used to love to preach on the subject. I think more than anything else is a joyous subject. If we were gonna make up one doctrine that would be like really good for us. Yet, this would be at your don't know where nobody's gonna pluck you out of his hand. It is a glorious doctrine and so I like preaching this because it encourages people and their walk absolutely Todd Friel with us today on the Christian worldview.

The host of wretched radio and wretched television. Their website is you can find out more by going there. So what is the biblical basis because this this doctrine is resisted suppressing FPL you say. The great news doctrine.

What is the biblical basis that once someone is truly regenerated born again justified come to Christ repents and believes in the gospel.

Trust in Christ for salvation how we want to say it. What is the biblical basis that they can never lose that salvation even if they seemingly go off on a way that wouldn't be honoring to God to our brothers and sisters who do not believe this.they believe that salvation can be lost.

I don't think that there are knuckleheads there are verses in the Bible that seem to present themselves like you can lose it. Hebrews 6 Hebrews 10 comes to my looks like you believe, but you could maybe not believe someday so we do have versus there are at least a handful of those verses and on the other side you have got a mountain of verses that I believe make it clear gonna when you get saved, it's God who saves you, it's God who keeps you is not who is going to glorify you which God is going to keep you adopted and his family doesn't unadoptable and so I look at we go back to the Reformation and remember a Reformation principal when it comes to interpreting Scripture which is Scripture interprets Scripture the analogy of Scripture you got to verses that appear to say differing things. How do you resolve at the clear interprets the unclear, and because if you're gonna put these verses on a scale.

There are verses that appear to say you can lose your salvation then you put it like gigantic gold weight on the other side which just tips the scale so now I believe that we have our overwhelming verses that make it clear we can't be lost anymore than we can get ourselves saved and then I interpret those unclear in the light of those and make them everything harmonized because the Bible can't country out itself.

I think your point about adoption is this is a powerful case for eternal security because if you think about it there's nothing my own son can do to not be my own son the same thing as God adopts this into his family as sons and daughters and his family.

If you get on adopted.

She just wouldn't do. That is not consistent with this is character.

Puritans love doctrine of adoption.

You rarely hear it these days.

Yes again Todd Friel with us today on the Christian worldview. So why is there so much resistance to the doctrine of eternal security and really weird is that resistance come from, who are the folks that resisted the others there's there's really three views. I will leave the free grace view alone. It's kind of a future justification will leave that alone gives smaller conditional security would be the side of good people. William Ln., Craig Ravi Zacharias AW toes are evangelicals who believe that you can lose it. So think Dallas theological seminary. Again, good folks, but they take a look at those verses that I think are outweighed by the other clear verses and they put a little bit more weight in those and and honestly David, I don't know why you'd want to argue against this because the thought of me keeping myself saved is it's not going to happen right so I love this doctrine and where were going to focus our time in our study on Sunday morning is going to be in Romans eight it's it's Paul's magnum opus. It is undoubtedly the diamond and the treasure chest of God's word and when you get to Romans chapter 8, it just gets hammered home and drubbed home because Paul is been building the case every time you read about justification in Romans 123-4567 going into chapter rate, it's all beforehand. Your justification happened beforehand is a past tense completed act. It's always passive. By the way it happens to you, you don't act on yourself.

You don't make it happen. It happens to you, and it's always past tense so he builds the case in Romans one through seven, and then it's a crescendo in Romans eight there is nothing that can separate you from the love of right nothing and then he gives two major lists were he makes it. Laundry lists if you will with the greatest extremes possible height nor depth in any ice and not angels or principalities or any other created thing can separate you from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.

That's like the note, the just sores and you should be one that we listen too often because we can wobble and we can get week need in this doctrine, especially Romans 838 and 39 drive a stake through this doctrine and nail it to the wall. What makes this week. Need even for a believer is been a believer for a lot of years. What makes us all the sudden doubt okay looking for an interview with Todd Friel today, the host of wretched radio and television. I hear on the Christian rule of your radio program. As we discussed the issue of eternal security and Todd will answer that question about what makes us doubt our salvation he will answer that right after this first break of the day here in the program. By the way, just a quick note.

I said that he will be preaching this Sunday. This was recorded about one week ago that the day before he preach that he's not in town this week and if you are thinking you could go to hear him preach, but you can hear that message online and I'm going to be playing some of it and giving a summary of it today here in the Christian worldview. So we have a lot more to get to. Stay tuned.

A lot more coming up.

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It is impossible for someone who's a Christian to go into apostasy took to lose their salvation so to speak. Store discussing the issue of eternal security today in our guest is Todd Friel is the host of wretched radio and television to get the name from the song who saved a wretch like me and he is will used to live here in Minnesota. He was up visiting the state and came into the studio. We discussed this topic last week, and before he preached here in town, so let's get back to the second segment of interview with Todd Friel even for a believer is been a believer for a lot of years. What makes us all the sudden doubt.

I think life can be hard sometimes and people can get challenged.

I think in the West. We get so busy there used to be another doctrine that we hosted a discipline of spiritual discipline that we would talk about that never is really discussed these days called watchfulness. Brian Hedges wrote an excellent book on that. It's well worth everybody's time where you dedicate your time, your energy to making sure that your discipline to watch for the state of your soul. How many men that are good preachers, have we seen him stumble. They were not being watchful there being self deceived, so I think lack of watchfulness life beating in on us. The cares of the day don't tend to your soul and you're going to be in trouble. Todd Friel with us today in the Christian worldview talking about eternal security.

Once saved always saved. Is that true that what the Bible teaches. He is the host of wretched radio and wretched television.

Their website is the how does free will enter into this issue of eternal security because were saved by God's grace and yet were called to repent and believe that that the tension there. It's hard to resolve their finite mind. So we have some free will.

With regard to salvation. Don't we have the free will to say, you know, I don't believe that tomorrow I can depart from what I've here is the commitment I made well it depends how you define free will. If you mean I am making totally independent decisions with no external influence. I'm not sure the Bible supports that concept ever since the fall. Luther said our will is in bondage to Satan, so do we get to make genuine choices, absolutely. Whether or not we have a free will. I'm more inclined to think we really don't have a free will. But the Bible is clear the just the choices we make. They are genuine and we will be held accountable in the Bible is also clear. It is God alone who saves. Can you harmonize those two. Spurgeon said I don't need to harmonize friends they get along just fine.

Maybe not in your mind, but in God's mind. They do so we get to make genuine decisions. But God is sovereign over everything. John MacArthur actually was at a KK MS event. A number of years ago he was asked basically the same question and he said let me ask you a question so all I want to play.

John MacArthur had a newbie the audience who is responsible for your sanctification. Why I would answer that by saying that God is, but it is God who works in you both to will and to do his good pleasure to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, so I think it's the same issue there. There is that tension therebetween is God in the spirit within me. That's that's the one working but I'm also called to work it out as well, but not I but Christ who lives within right got a sanctifying you and yet in this synergistic effort. You're genuinely involved in it you get no credit for it right and so Dr. MacArthur did a list of those to demonstrate we've got major concepts in the Bible that are difficult for us and so we didn't really resolve the questions menisci just spread it out a lot and that shouldn't cause the believer to get wobbly if you could understand everything about God. Congratulations, you would be God and God wouldn't exist. There have got to be some of the doctrine of the Trinity is another right, it's a demonstration that this is not a made up religion because we wouldn't make this up, and if we can get everything then there really wouldn't be anything greater than us and it's all a test of faith which is the means God uses to to test whether we will believe in what he said even if we don't fully understand how to reconcile those two issues again. Todd Friel with us today on the Christian worldview. I want to just in the last few questions.

Todd want to do a swot analysis. The strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats within evangelicalism right now is been a lot going on within the last year know you been covering it on your radio and television programs. Some hotly contested issues such as the social justice movement, especially with regard to race homosexuality and transgender is him being integrated just into the evangelical church in some ways that you can semi-be a gay or same-sex attracted Christian women teaching men is been one that's been around for a long time. The new apostolic Reformation. We had you on the program to talk about the influence of that extreme charismatic movement on the evangelical church. Maybe you could just look at the evangelical movement right now and look at some of that the strength of it.

The weakness is that it where there are some opportunities and what are some severe threats to it. You're going to have to remind me of those one acronym for what successes is that strengths exactly. I wish I had short-term memory strengths of the evangelical movement even though right now were seeing a divide in conservative circles were seeing the Neil reform movement demonstrating that it didn't really reform and a lot of its theology and it's becoming increasingly liberal spirit. It said it's the continuation's position. It's cracked open the door for additional revelation God speaking to us. I've got a word about you, David, God gave it to me etc. so we see all of that going on and we can go that's terrible, but there is a growing number of believers. Jesus is building his church and I travel around enough to know there are good churches in this country and people are flooding to them. And interestingly, Justin peters, I think you had just a better program heat.

We were we were having dinner and discussing this whole racial issue that's very contentious right now and he said in his southern drawl Todd travel all over the globe and when I found myself in kind of a squishy church. It's a lily white one I go to a Bible-based expository preaching church.

It's salt-and-pepper and I thought, I think he's right because I think of my church to good preaching attracts believers and so there's good guys out there that are preaching the word.

Verse by verse and those churches are growing and so now were seeing a lot of Kenneth falling away if you will, that there still a growing church. Todd, thank you for that and thank you for coming on the Christian worldview and all you're doing to advance and elevate Christ and his word in your ministry and your family. So thank you and all God's best and greatest. You always a pleasure grateful for you, David. Thank you Tom okay Todd Friel, everyone.

You can find out more about his radio and television ministry at and youth you missed any of the interview today. We always of course posted at our website the Christian world and I will also I don't think I put the link to his message that he gave last Sunday here in the Twin Cities on this topic of eternal security. But we will have will put that up there as well and play a soundbite from it.

Later in the program today. Select open the phone lines starting now and going into the next segment.

Stick a few phone calls on this issue of eternal security. Why do you think people resist the doctrine of eternal security that once God saves you, you will always be saved. In other words, you will never depart from the faith, you will never choose to go away from God. You make sin.

There is no question we continue to sin after were were truly justified or saved who never depart walk away from the faith, why do people resist that what is that what is the basis on which they resist that our studio number here is 1-877-655-6755, 1-877-655-6755 your thoughts on the doctrine of eternal security and why it is often resisted and while Bobby is going to be getting some calls upon the call screening board just want to make a distinction between someone who is falsely converted in an apostate. We talked about apostasy last week in the program and was division of false convert in the pot and an apostate false convert is someone who professes to be safe. It doesn't possess genuine saving faith. This is what Christ talked about in Matthew seven he says not everyone who says to me or professes, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father who is in heaven will enter.

Many will say to me on that day many will profess again. Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and your name cast out demons in your name perform many miracles and then I will declare to them, I never knew you depart for me, you who practice lawlessness.

That's a false convert. The someone who thinks there saved but isn't truly saved the apostate is the same plus something else there, Prof. They don't possess that. But they also propagate or teach false a false gospel and false doctrines. This can be an individual can be a church can be a parachurch there undermining actively the faith more after this. Be sure to take advantage of two free resources that will keep you informed and sharpen your world.

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Call one AAA 646-2233 or visit the Christian world.okay back on the rear of the radio program as we discussed eternal purity, I'm David. We hosted a certain interview by God real, but this glorious reassuring doctrine that once you are generally converted, you cannot lose your salvation you will not depart because God will keep you and I were asking the question, is briefly here before we get into some more summary and remarks in this why is this doctrine resisted. Now, as Todd said in the interview and in his message last Sunday. There are lots there are lots of verses that that point towards eternal security supporting that particular position, and there are few sum not nearly as many but some that were to get into those especially in Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 discussed and meant that that you can't but as you take everything in context just from a him preponderance of evidence standpoint is much heavier on the side of eternal security.

So why do people resist this this doctrine. Let's go first to Richmond, Virginia, and art. Welcome to the Christian. Review your thoughts on eternal security for taking my call. So I think think think that it Hebrews a that is definitely problematic. Also, there's virtually like different than Hebrews 312 that beware brethren let there be any of you an evil heart of unbelief and departing from the living God still called to exhort one another daily.

Walt call today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin and felt it.

It seems there.

There is a sense of you know why, why would we need to warn one another because there's a think of for and hardening up and being able to depart from the living God, and anything you know the follow-up. There's lots of verses that can't do that if know if indeed you believe into the end, if indeed you suffer with him, and I think when people feel kind of art it with the question. The back of their mind art. I appreciate that call good good points out all around. Let's go to down to Midland, Texas, and Justin, welcome to the Christian. Review your thoughts on this issue of eternal security and perhaps wise resisted and Roy and in my walk up to 70 years, and found that what when when Paul is talking about anything to you about being built by the Holy Spirit of being a guaranteed year of our inherited and then you look you look at Bert like what we been adopted children and your new family. Could it be that if we could celebrate that would make our adoption temporary, and I would make what comes out of completely not shrewd so the doctrine of you know your salvation. What saved it in my opinion, heresy. I just appreciate calling illegally mother callers want to get to bed.

Welcome to the family of God is great to hear that your new believer, and obviously someone's been teaching you pretty well about the issue of adoption and what God promises he keeps his go to one more call for now down to Mississippi.

Wayne welcome the Christian review your thoughts on eternal security always been tall and always wants all about it would have to come back and David that eternal lab eternal no doubt that that that he Wayne that that's excellent point. I appreciate your call. John 316 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever would believe in him should not perish but have eternal life.

In other words, there's a guarantee of eternal life. Still, let's take some of these with them. These colors of said and Todd said in his his message that why we resisted so we would like to earn things we have to have a sense that we we earned our salvation. And then we earn our sanctification. It's there is a pride issue there that not look I made a choice to 22 put my faith in Christ for salvation more than I can put a choice and if I want to lose it.

It is putting ourselves in in the position of the authority there. I think he said secondly that people really struggle that God could love us that much. Even when we sin after we save after were saved.

In other words, he knows all our skeletons in our closet. He knows the things we've done wrong.

He knows our thoughts and we just think, you know, a true Christian shouldn't be this way shouldn't be sinning but that's not what Scripture says yes you will thing you want practice that the true believer will practice it won't be the unrepentant practice of their life. They will come when they sin to God in repentance and confession and received by faith, the forgiveness that he has promised for our past sins are present sins and even our future sins that we even haven't committed yet and the third reason people resist. This is because some of the passages that people refer to in Hebrews 6 Hebrews 10 to go over those and ingest a second here, so let's actually get to that issue of the these passages and rely Hebrews 6 and 10. Todd didn't read them just for sake of time, time to read the one from Hebrews 6 it says therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ. Let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. In this we will do if God permits. Another words you know he's talking to believers here. Let's not go back to kind of these basic things about having to repent from works that don't save you and suffer. Let's let's move past that then here comes in verse four of chapter 6 of Hebrews where this this questionable. Who is this person is asked for in the case. So here's a case the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the son of God and put him to open shame for ground that drinks the rain, which often falls on and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God. But if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned so this passage if you if you read this you could take that as well.

People who have who have once been enlightened and they've tasted of the heavenly gift they've been made partakers of the Holy Spirit. They tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, that sounds and in looks like a a true Christian in that it's it seems that way to spy a bit by reading a passage yet. Look at the context what comes before and what comes afterwards.

This is very close to being a Christian, but I don't believe the context allows for this to be a true Christian who has departed who has chosen to leave the faith.

I give you the perfect example of this case. Rather says in verse four. Four. In the case and what is the case here is an example of the case. Judith, one of Christ's own disciples not think about him. He fit every single one of those things perfectly, perfectly, and he wasn't a true believer. He had, he knew he had been enlightened about Christ. He knew about Christ. He had pasted Christ teaching, had seen his miracles. He had partaken of the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was working in the air all around the myths of Christ. He had partaken of that been around it.

But then he fell away and the Bible says he was never truly safe. He didn't depart from the faith he had never been truly saved. This is what it says in John 17, when Christ praised his father. It says that exact thing. This is the case.

Holy father keep them in your name. The name what you have given me, that they may be one even as we are. While I was with them I was keeping them this is that this sense of eternal security.

I was keeping them.

God keeps us, Christ keeps us.

I was keeping them in your name which you have given me and I guarded them and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition. That's Judas, so that the Scripture would be for fill them son of perdition means he was cast away to hell because he was never truly saved so our eternal security for the believer is based on God's character in God's promises not your ability to remain true to him because you really can't do that if you erupt to you. You couldn't save yourself.

The Scripture says and you can't keep yourself saved, you just don't have the power and the ability to do that. But God does. So just consider this sequence from Romans 829 and 30 right before the passage that we read today and eternal security in 838 and 39. This is 29 and 30. Just a few verses before that which is really the that the critical passage I need eternal security in Scripture. Although there's many what I get to in a second, says in Romans eight 2930 for those whom God for noon on this watch all these words, your watch the progression for those whom God foreknew he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his son so that he would be the firstborn among many brethren and these whom he predestined he also called in these whom he called he also justified in these whom he justified he also glorified.

It's all God doing something as all God doing something in eternity past all the way to eternity future. So just look at these words for new. This means not just that, not just knowing in advance. It's a as they it's it's a pre-determining to save someone.

It's a not just for new us, but he for loved those who would come to saving faith. That's what that word means, though in eternity past before the believer was even born.

God had already determined to save that person not based on anything how they were so special and how good they would be your how much they would faithfully follow God know nothing to do with that is because of God's graciousness for reasons which we don't know he predetermined some to be safe you didn't have to didn't have to save anyone. We all deserve judgment in hell, but by his grace. He predetermined foreknew to save some and it goes from foreknew to God predestined, that means he marked out were appointed. He determined before hand. All these things are taking place even before the person is safe will get back after this break get to the rest of that list that progression right after this is Mike Gendron feeling his DVD and apostasy will see how apostasy is the result of Satan's relentless attacks on the church will also look at four steps that characterize a churches drift into apostasy, then will look at the history of the church, a chronological development of the Roman Catholic religion and its drift into apostasy and lastly and most importantly, what are you and I to do in the midst of this great apostasy on the growing ecumenical movement. The DVD is titled Roman Catholicism drift into apostasy and contains two messages, you can order it for a donation of any amount to the Christian worldview. Normal retail is $15 plus that Christian worldview.or or call one 846-2233 or write to Box 401, Excelsior, MN 55331 final segment of the day here on the person Realty radio program and David Wheaton were talking about eternal purity and whether one, one is truly save their always Savior. Can you lose your salvation and were going over this passage in Romans 829 and 30 for those whom God foreknew he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his son and goes on to whom he predestined he also called and whom he called he also justified these whom he justified he also glorified. That's from beginning to end before the believer was even born and we went over the fact that for new means. That's what God does in a time even before history began to be predetermined to save the believer in the predestined to become conformed like the image of a son that's what he predestined that believer to do. He marked out. He appointed he determined before hand is one Bible caught commentator calls it that that person who is going to save her that he foreknew would be conformed to the image of his son Jesus in any he called that person. When a person was born sometime during the life he called them his knee factual call to salvation, not just a general call to repent and believe the gospel. Note that you call that he called and that person will come will respond to that call. The next point is those he called he also justified.

This is a declaration of righteousness for God declares the previously unregenerate righteous, as if that person has the righteousness of Christ because like you. Second Corinthians 521.

Christ covered paid for all the believer sins past, present and future. So therefore now God sees that believer is being being righteous, giving the righteousness of Christ up imputing it to that believer not not to say that believer will never sin, but although since have been covered. This is a illegal declaration that God has made in the lastly those whom he is justified.

He's also glorified that God's also seeing nasties.

This is what he's doing is what he's gonna glorify the believer someday after you die you your your physical body will decay and going to ground your soul and spirit will go to heaven you get a new body be glorified and be in heaven with God someday. This is from eternity past eternity future. Everything is been done by God. God can't break his promises, and that incredible progressive chain. He's knocking unadopted as one of our earlier caller says those he adopts into his family. He doesn't unadopted decorative for divorce if you're married to Christ. Second, this can be divorce, you can't lose your salvation because it is based on not you keeping it, but God keeping in his promises. Yes we do have responsibility to work out our own salvation, our sanctification with fear and trembling, but if that synergy that was hard for us to understand but the foundation of that whole thing is is God doing it.

John 1026 or so many verses on this all go over some of them. John 1026 my sheep Christ as your my voice and I know them and they follow me.

I give eternal I give eternal life to them. They didn't give it and then take it back. They will never perish.

It says and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My father, who has given them to me, is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of the father's hand. I am the father are one. So the answer is if one leaves the faith. The explanation for that is there is never genuinely converted that's hard for us to believe sometimes because we see things with her eyes and her ears of the people we just can't believe someone can profess Christ and go to church and do Christian things and yet rejected walk away from it later, but this is what Scripture says Jesus said in Matthew seven. Matthew 13 the parable of the wheat and the tares. This is what the church is made up of of of true believers and false converts those who have maybe me an emotional decision or something is not true salvation and they may not even know it. And that's exactly why these passages in Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 that's why the writer of Hebrews is saying these things because he doesn't know whether he speaking to true believers or those who profess salvation, but don't actually have a suite speaking to both of them.

He doesn't he can't read people's hearts so he says in Hebrews 6 verse nine a for that passage. That's the debate will can you lose your salvation, he says, but, beloved, now we speaking to those of you who are true believers, we are convinced of better things concerning you, not you, not cannot walk away from the faith things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking than what this way for God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love what you have shown toward his name, and having ministered in a minute, still ministering to his saints, and we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end so that you will not be's sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises basically saying look I can't read anyone's heart here is possible to be a professing Christian, but not possess genuine saving faith. Don't taste what your tasting and depart from it. That is examine yourself to see whether you are in the faith. Okay, examine how you were saved to see whether you had a true conversion did you repent of your sin, you putting your faith in Christ alone for salvation. So I play one final sound bite here that Todd gave at the end of the message because he said this message of eternal security for believers. But then he said this at the end of his message and I mentioned earlier if you're not in Christ. None of this is been for you, but it could be this second all of the promises that you have just heard about. They are available to you right now by signing a card, not by parroting a prayer by walking and I'll you call out to God, this minute, and he will save you when you say no. We won't save I'm a murderer, you will save you.

I took the life of my own child. He'll save you I was I was homosexual and in a lifestyle that was so perverted I don't want to think save you.

You will save you, unchain him. If you are weary and heavy laden, and he will give you rest and what will he do, he will save you. He will sanctify you. He will adopt you into his family this minute and he will never ever let you go because he's gonna glorify you to Butte and you are going to be eternally sick. Sure, so come let us reason together. If you hear his voice right now, do not harden your heart come onto this.

Currently, gentle Savior who invites you to come.

He does not desire to go to war with you. Why would he like a fire burning up a thistle patch it, nothing to take you down.

It's nothing.

Make no mistake about it.

When Jesus returns.

It is with his mighty angels. The rest of the verse in Romans two in flaming fire to pour out his wrath on everybody who refuses to repent who practices evil deeds and lives for themselves. There will be trouble and calamity on that day, my friend. If you are here and you are not in Christ. You are going to beg the mountains to fall on you and crush you rather than facing the wrath of the Lamb.

Don't delay even now people are pressing into the kingdom. You are not here by chance there is no such thing as luck, this is indeed a divine appointment for you. This day, too Jesus poor of spirit broken, recognizing who you are and what you justly deserve from an Almighty God was holy and righteous and just, and he will not let any evil deeds go unpunished and you lead to his son the Lord Jesus Christ and he will save you to the uttermost and I could have to be a back row Baptist are just background whatever denomination you are family of God fully.

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