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Resurgence Turned Divergence in the Southern Baptist Convention, Part 3

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Resurgence Turned Divergence in the Southern Baptist Convention, Part 3

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Over the past two programs, Tom Ascol, pastor of a Southern Baptist Church in Cape Coral, Florida, has joined us to discuss two issues currently being debated within the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), the largest Protestant denomination in America. Those issues are: women teaching men and Critical Race Theory, a humanistic perspective on race and society.

This week in part 3, we will discuss a third issue—professing Christians who identify as “same sex attracted”. Is it possible to be a Christian and accept desires for homosexuality as “who I am”, even if not acting on those desires (i.e. “celibate”)? This is the assertion of Nate Collins, the Southern Baptist Seminary-trained founder of the Revoice Conference, which seeks to “support and encourage gay, lesbian, bisexual, and other same-sex attracted Christians.”...

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Researchers turned divergence in the Southern Baptist convention today as part three of this series here on the Christian worldview radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ and David Weidner hosting our website the Christian will thank you for joining us this weekend on the Christian religion. We talk about this topic of resurgence turned divergence in the Southern Baptist convention to this part. Three. As I mentioned over the last two programs. Tom asked school pastor of a Southern Baptist Church in Cape Coral Florida has joined us to discuss two issues currently being debated within the Southern Baptist convention or SBC which is the largest Protestant denomination in America. Those issues are women teaching men and critical theory are critical race theory, a humanistic perspective on race and society this week and part three will discuss the third issue professing Christians who identify as quote same-sex attracted. Is it possible to be a Christian except desires for homosexual homosexuality" who I am, even if not acting on those desires i.e. celibate.

This is the assertion of Nate Collins, a Southern Baptist seminary trained, founder of the re-voice conference which seeks to and states their mission, quote, support and encourage gay and lesbian, bisexual, and other same-sex attracted Christians unquote of these debates within the SBC are examined in a documentary film titled by what standard is produced by founders ministry of which are guest today. Tomas goal is the president. We highly encourage you to watch the film order the DVD because it will sharpen your worldview as to what is taking place within the not only the SBC but the broader evangelical church today Morgan tell you I can get the DVD through the Christian review throughout the program. Today, let's get to the first segment of the interview with Tomas goal okay. We talked about the issues that are being contended over a women teaching men. We talked about race and critical race theory that worldview that you been describing and then one more issue that's been taking place is the issue of professing Christians who have homosexual desires of some of the denominations we've seen out there today in the mainline and so forth. Even recently with United Methodist Church of split over this and it's open homosexuals teaching and that kind of thing that is not what's going on. The SBC was be clear about that. But this issue of the fact that Christians can have what they call same-sex attraction and still be a Christian.

This is an issue, and I know you as founders of been doing a column series entitled revisiting re-voice re-voice is this conference that took place that summer. Based on this idea that a professing Christian can live with and have homosexual desires us. That's their identity sold before I ask you the question about this issue. One play another soundbite from your film from the current president of the SBC JD Greer he's a pastor they can. One of the Carolinas and let me play that soundbite and then have you follow-up Jim Logan who is one of our favorite Bible teachers. Here it is actually in a women's conference.

She said she said we ought to whisper about what the Bible whispers about we all shout about what it felt about in the Bible appears more to whisper when it comes to sexual sin compared to its shout about materialism and religious pride. Jesus one time.

Not one time ever said that it was difficult for the same-sex attracted to go to heaven. He did say it was easier for a camel to go to the eye of the needle Iva needle was for a religiously proud, or materialistically successful person to enter into the kingdom of God. Again, as president, JD Greer of the Southern Baptist convention also pastor that was in your film that soundbite video clip by what standard maybe you could explain Tom what the crux of this issue is I think this one's a difficult one to discern.

Most Christians might think well of course you know were fallen. We have desires for wrong things in some heterosexual Christians have desires for adultery are lost and so forth. How is that really any different than a Christian who has homosexual desires and it it that's just who they are and how to answer that that what goes back to the question of identity and he was in Christ is a new creation. Openings pass away all things become. This is Paul's language to a subsequent inspired so that that the issue is in what way are Christians, made new. How are we made goods that newness mean that we go ahead and live with the sand remains in us having signed a peace treaty with it because that's just who we are or do we live with remaining sin in us saying we declare war on that sin. And we're going to mortify the deeds of the flesh and the lust of the flesh so that we might live in and not die because we don't we will we will die this. The sand remains a Christian is of the same quality of that which used to dominate us before we were Christians and so we have to continually declare war on it and put to death the deeds of the flesh up by the power of the spirit this question. It is a naughty one, and it can be difficult, especially you get into the deep weeds pretty quickly with it. But one way to bring clarity is to substitute other types of sin are you just take other types of sexual deviancy for same-sex attraction so we say are on the same-sex attracted Christian and I expect you to accept me in my identity.

That way, because that's just who I am.

That's how God made would we feel comfortable ought to hear someone say you know I am just a PDO celiac Christian, but I'm a man who wants to have sex with children. That's my desire but I'm a Christian and I'm not act on that on but that's who I am. Don't try to change me, or I'm up on the steel Christian. I'm a man wants to have sex with animals, but that's just who I am. Those are my desires are inherent in me. Of course, we wouldn't ugly we automatically see still at this point. Give us 10 years. We may not. But at this point we still see that that is perverse that that is sin against nature.

It is a violation of the turning on its head. The way God designed mankind as sexual beings, so it in the sexual and the homosexual agenda. The OBT DQ agenda. There are those who want to click claim still being Christians, identifying that way and they fall along the spectrum. So there's what's called side a person's side B gender dysphoria Christians.

So aside a Christian would be those who see homosexual sex as acceptable to God in the Bible and Christianity. So I am a same-sex attracted person and I can have sex with the someone of my same-sex and God approve of that side B says no homosexual sex is not acceptable, but I am a same-sex attracted Christian, so I am quote gay and celibate. The language being used and that's what re-voice is trying to advocate this is that the conferences you mentioned except for two years in a row now started by Nate Collins is a graduate, teacher at the Southern Baptist theological seminary PhD graduate from there.

How but it's now hosted in a Presbyterian Church of America church in St. Louis, Missouri, and so here we got to conservative denominations, one Baptist, one presbyterian that are very closely associated with this effort to normalize quote side B. Homosexual thinking or homosexual identity as Christians and in the whole idea of celibacy.

That word is been my concept has been hijacked by the LGBT Q community because celibacy never met not having sex with anything or anyone, it's always the heterosexual the, the normal sexual beings that God created, which is heterosexual refraining from that and and not engaging in sex as God ordained to refuse to engage in sex the way God has forbidden it and perverse.

It would be perverse to engage in is not celibacy. And yet that language is been taken up and now we've got people who are applauding the gay and celibate Christians, aren't they great look at how much they're sacrificing for the sake of Christ. And this is damaging to the people who were caught up in gender dysphoria are caught up in sexual confusion and I'm not suggesting that the somebody who has strong homosexual desires are caught up in homosexual Lysol style when they're converted automatically, they they are free from those desires are not suggesting that all but I am saying that they should no longer identify themselves by those desires just like we would tell anybody who was caught up in least reality that when you're converted, you don't go along.

Go go forward identifying yourself with those kinds of perverse desires you crucified your knowledge.

These are simple.

This is result of the fall. This is why Jesus died.

And though I may fight against this rest my life. I do so knowing that I am now in Jesus Christ and that these desires and that that perverse way of living, no longer identifies become a new creation and I'm fight and live that way.

Based upon the grace of God given to the in our crucified, risen Savior soak again. This is an attack on the gospel.

It's a misrepresentation of biblical Christianity and those who advocated and those who are willing to sit by and let it be advocated and especially when those who would applaud it.

So look out sacrificial brothers and sisters of the by being gay and celibate. They are damaging people they are keeping people from the real grace that sets sinners free and establishes us in Christ.

As new creations. So you really saying that the desires for illicit immoral sex are wrong other words, that as less am I heterosexual married man. It wouldn't be right, of course, will be wrong for me to say why does have I just lost after other women, other people who are my wife, and therefore that's my identity. No we should not accept that we should confess and repent of those desires and we should seek to through the word, and that the spirit within us to overcome those desires. So our desires are in alignment with God's desires is that what you're saying absolutely absolutely mean God desires truth on the inward parts renovation that we have a new birth is a renovation from the inside out. We are made new creatures is not all automatic means not all zero-sum the beginning, but we are in the process of being completely set free from every sin, including simple desire so you think what will heaven be heaven will be a place where there is no same-sex attraction.

Heaven will be a place where there is no heterosexual simple attraction is to be done away with. There will be no more sinful desires as well as no sinful actions.

And yet, as one of the breakout sessions it re-voice not in 2019 2018 first conference. They had a breakout session about queer treasure that will be taken into the new Jerusalem that this is it's it's a loony it. It's not the same religion as that which is taught in the Bible and for us to stand by and let this go on and then Christianity, much less for us to applaud it is to do damage to people. It's to keep people from the real thing because they bought into a false thing, thinking that it is Christianity, and it grieves me where were not helping those who the desperate help when that the help of the true gospel is available to the Tomas goes our guest today here on the Christian worldview, but he explained that very well. It's a difficult issue to discern. It's the battle over words and in phrases and concepts as it always seems to be when there's compromise at hand are talking about resurgence turned divergence in the Southern Baptist convention. The third issue part three today is this issue of quote same-sex attracted Christians is that even possible. We have much more coming up on the programs I hope you'll stay tuned with this. You can also order this DVD by what standard for a donation of any amount to the Christian real you discover a website the Christian or you can watch online. Just click on the link on the homepage of the website. More after this critical race theory, and it is that finale of simply and mythical tools to be used as tools not as a worldview not transcended worldview above the authority of Scripture and we stand by the spring of this resolution is the Southern Baptist convention diverging from biblical orthodoxy over issues of women teaching men homosexuality and critical race theory is this a bellwether of what's coming to your church by what standard hundred and 10 minute DVD documentary about the national taking place in the essence he can receive the DVD for a donation of any amount that Christian worldview to order that Christian or call 1888 646-2233 or lightbox 401 Excelsior, MN 55331. Be sure to take advantage of two free resources that will keep you informed and sharpen your worldview.

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Remember that the Southern Baptist convention way back when we had actually turned in a theologically liberal way. But in the 80s. They had a conservative resurgence and so let's hope and pride are not turning diverging from that resurgence that took place in the three issues being debated our race. The issue of race. The issue of women teaching men into their topic are talking about is the idea that you can be a same-sex attracted Christian.

Our guest today is Tomas goes a pastor needs present a founders ministry ministries to produce this DVD, let's get back to the second segment with him.

How would you rate these three issues we've discussed from gender roles women teaching men to race and critical race theory and then this issue of Christians who have quote same-sex attraction. How would you rate how strong the pushes for each of them, at which one is the most prominently being pushed within the SBC of those three, I think it's the women's issue in the racial issue in the SBC and I think it's the sexual issue in PCI interests in the. The racial issue the SBC. Of course, as I mentioned performing that the history of the SBC is tainted. There's no doubt there has been significant racial sin in our history and nobody should pretend that that's otherwise it's certainly true in the writings of their we look at it and own it as the SBC is done. All multiplications expressing repentance over the sins of racial prejudice and sinful partiality that it been a part of our heritage at the women's issue is also very significant and we see this by more and more women being emboldened to talk about preaching in their churches on the Lord's day this past Mother's Day 2019. Beth Moore rose a very successful author, Southern Baptist, and she's I think one of the leg of the top author that likely represents your sales or books.

She put out social media how she planned preaching her church on Mother's Day, and other women. So to do that to. They were joking about it, and when some of us questioned and said Eunice, this is not right. This is contrary to where we should be encouraging women to use their gifts and how should we think about this.

The pushback was amazing and and sad and tragic and indicative of how far down this road we are gone.

So I think the women's issue is going to be probably the flashpoint that is going to have to be addressed and acknowledged in the SBC. The racial issue members racial prejudice no doubt still exists needs to be dealt with that.

That's always tragic wherever it's found. It has been found there was a church removed last year two years ago from the SBC because of racism, rightly so, what I know the situation church in Georgia was remove the SBC is received disfellowshipped them because of their sinful racial partiality. That's right. But this women's issue.

Suddenly it seemed like our leaders going mute and it's like well, but she spent more or get out.

She sells a lot of books on yet a new church plant and the wife of the church planters a better creature than the husband.

So I think were gonna have to deal with that. I know for myself Other passenger in the SBC.

That is a bridge too far for us, and that issues can have to be resolved. Tomas Gilligan with us today on the Christian worldview, a pastor and also the producer of the film we've been discussing all the soundbites have come from that film. The film is titled by what standard you can get this film through the Christian Realty by going to our website.

Let's just finish up with the last few questions. Tom, as I've been thinking about this year, the SBC, the Southern Baptist convention in its seminaries and all the entities associated with it. They aren't the church. They are parachurch organizations that obviously there is a network of local churches they represent are affiliated with, but because they these are churches. The SBC and because this network. This denomination has become so broad trying to represent so many different churches and people. Isn't there there bound to be problems and in compromise within these things. Is there really a need for the SBC when you don't. The only institution. God promises the glasses. The local church, not the parachurch.

Certainly there is no need for the SBC God annuity SBC made any particular local church. The genius of the subnets convention is that it is an associational structure whereby local churches that God has ordained can cooperate together and so the to the degree that we can do that, and God honoring ways it can be a very useful thing. It has been useful in various ways throughout history, however, that can become corrupted whenever the thinking it's inverted so that the SBC is seem to be in an entity that is more important than local churches would like to pat ourselves on the back of the subnets convention the same welder headquarters in the Summit scrimmages local church. While that is true but sadly what you have happening very often. In practice is that headquarters is seem to be what takes place in the offices in Nashville where the executives of carry out the the work day by day or the SBC or in our seminaries where of the presidents and faculty and staff do their work or gained various entities that are supported by the SBC.

I praise God for the good things that happened in and through the cooperative efforts of churches known as Southern Baptist. However, that cooperative effort must not become the tail that wags the dog and I'm afraid that's what is happening. That's what has happened. Timothy George is the retired Dean of Beeson Divinity school, is a longtime friend of mine and in the early years of the conservative resurgence dimly made the statement that I thought was prophetic and today it is seem to be more prophetically than I realized back when he made it the exchange of one set of bureaucrats for another death, not a Reformation make and my fear is that what happens is is people get into leadership roles in our entities that are supported by autonomous Southern Baptist churches and they begin to be shaped by bureaucratic forces, forgetting that these entities belong to the churches and that they are accountable to the churches and so if the sunbeams convention is going to be helped in a course is going to be corrected as it needs to be it will be because the churches and the pastors leave those churches rise up and say we are not going to go down this road any further.

You are accountable to us.

If you refuse to be accountable to us that were to take action to exercise our responsibility as churches who indeed comprise the sub mems convention.

I hope that we will get responsiveness from our Southern Baptist entity leaders and faculty and staff and those who served in various capacities throughout the cooperative efforts of the SBC because there's much good that has been done and that is being done and it can be done but if that gets corrupted by these godless ideologies they're allowed to phobia and grow and permeate into the very sectors of our cooperative efforts than local churches are going to be forced to say me and we can go that route.

If we are, what you have been taught about his true if we are seeing these things clearly how the world can we continue to facilitate the advance of these things are going to undermine the gospel of Jesus Christ can't Tomas Gilligan with us today in the Christian worldview final question for you, in this soundbite. I'm in a play from Foti back on the cell well known pastor is is he a pastor in the Southern Baptist convention. He has been. But now he is the Dean of the African Christian University in Lusaka, Zambia. Okay, so toward the end of the documentary again titled by what standard you did an interview with Odie Baucom and here's what he had to say and there will be a falling away. There will be a great divide over this issue and it saddens me but I don't see any other possible outcome. Other than this great divide. It's it's a bridge too far.

And when we get that bridge too far. The feminist issue of the lesson from the sisters of the clarify the issues of FEMA pastors abridged for I think unfortunately the need to aspect has already been embraced and imbibed and and and were gonna see some having some significant consequences for mental okay so you some of the same language you diffuse in your last answer about a bridge too far. And you've talked about this conservative resurgence that took place in the Southern Baptist convention back to starting about the 80s and so forth and it's very rare. By the way for an organization to go from theological liberalism to not becoming more theologically liberal. Just look at all the Ivy League schools in this country see where they are today. From there pretty overtly Christian founding's way back when, so is rare that this happened so my final question for you is for people listening out there today who may not be Southern Baptists who just thinking about their own church. Maybe their own Christian school their own Christian college or whatever they're involved in who sees some rift taking place within their own organization or church.

How can this this story of potentially was taking place in the Southern Baptist convention. I caught resurgence turning divergence. How can that be avoided for a church, a denomination and organization are really getting down to the specifics or individual in their own life.

Okay Tomas will answer that question after this next break of the day here in the Christian worldview that question.

By the way as well be done. The series not to solely focus on what's going on within the Southern Baptist convention. We know there's probably listeners that today there were many listeners outside the Southern Baptist convention.

But what is taking place in the Southern Baptist convention.

The types of issues are the types of issues that are affecting broader evangelicalism. So how do we avoid this kind of drift that's what it comes down to how do we stay faithful. Tomas called the pastor of Grace Baptist Church in Cape Coral Florida will answer that question. Next, also, don't forget to highly encourage you to get this DVD by what standard you get a for donation of any or you can watch an online back after this David Wheaton here to tell you about my boys then story of love, loss and grace then was a yellow lab and inseparable companion stage of my life when I was single, competing in the professional tennis to. I invite you to enter into the story's tapestry of relationships within my aging parents, child, friend.

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Think biblically and live accordingly. That is the aim of the Christian worldview radio programming. As we discussed topic after topic during the course of the season or year. We tried to the heart of what is the biblical perspective with God's perspective on this particular shoes and as we been doing with your the Southern Baptist convention with these issues that have been arising that are being debated within that denomination, and I guess is Tomas goal. AA pastors also that the present of founders ministry to produce this DVD entitled by what standard is the website if you want to get engaged with the type of content that they produce. They have columns and blogs and emails not kind of thing. If you want to find out more about them, but we have one segment to go with Tom here. So let's get back to hear the final segment and will have some follow-up afterwards also tell you again how you can get this DVD by what standard for people listening out there today who may not be Southern Baptists who just thinking about their own church.

Maybe their own Christian school their own Christian college or whatever they're involved in who sees some rift taking place within their own organization or church. How can this this story of potentially was taking place. The Southern Baptist convention. I caught resurgence turning divergence. How can that be avoided for a church, a denomination and organization are really getting down to the specifics or individual in their own life. That's a great question and that the bottom line is there are no guarantees, no entity, no Christian organization ever drifts conservative will always drift liberal. We have devil. He hates us this world as opposed to us our own sin wants to be satisfied in those enemies, combined to draw us away from Christ.

And so we need to be aware of that and it just comes down to taking God seriously taken his word seriously delete what he has to say.

I think a very helpful tool for every Christian individually and certainly for churches and income Christian organization is confessional is and by that I mean to adopt a typical confession declare what you believe. Clearly mail your colors to the mast and be as simple and succinct as you can be saying this is what we believe. Here we stand so that you're not always having to come back and asked the question what we think about this what your Jesus really God really God's Trinity.

No mail your colors to the masks and be as explicit as you can be in, so that when the questions come up you're already pre-committed to the big issues and you're not having to rethink everything all the time but confessional is an is no guarantee, just look at the institutions you refer to the Ivy League and look at some of the Presbyterian denominations had Westminster confession of faith and so you can you can have good confessions and still drift but I think having a good confession and revisiting your commitment to it and maintaining the teachings of the Scripture that you confess and it can be a very healthy tool.

A second thing and this is where I believe conservative Christians get tripped up variously as we cannot afford to assume gospel and by that I mean conservative Christians lose the gospel not by one night going to bed and waking up the next morning and say hey I no longer believe gospel but rather over months and years and maybe decades, assuming the gospel.

Of course, wrong emeritus, of course, we all believe the gospel is above all, when in reality we started operating very subtly and over a period of time with assuming the truth of the gospel. Now the reason this is so personal and important to me is that I have been guilty of this. There is. My ministry probably 25 years ago now.

When I went through pretty dry spell them out. I was struggling.

I would ensure what's going on with me and God arrested me by reading George Whitfield sermons in one particular sermon prescriptive one in which the gospel set forth so explicitly in it.

It just it hammered me to realize the centrality of Christ and the need to preach Christ from all the Scriptures and as I went back and started examining my sermons in those recent months, I'd assume the gospel. I acknowledge preaching, exegetical us trying to do careful hermeneutics and exposition but I was assuming Christ. I was assuming the people listening already knew Christ so actually little experiment. I went and listened to think was one semester maybe two semesters of sermons from three or four of our leading seminaries/listening to Chapel sermons illusion sermons typically brought it pastors committee. I think I only listen to the passage again and not to the faculty and the people in seminaries when guests pastors were coming to preach a listen to their Chapel sermons and seminaries from three different seminaries over think it was at least one maybe two semesters and it was amazing to me how many of those sermons dealt with how to use seven tips for their six steps for that and they assume the gospel and these are good men. These men believe the gospel.

They do have the gospel and yet they were preaching the gospel that they were assuming that I think that evangelicals will we lose the gospel by assuming it's I would encourage churches encourage groups to not be offended by asking the question, what is the gospel and where's the gospel in my sermon.

How's the gospel being held out and proclaimed and defended in our organization with our stated purposes. The final thing I would say is it ultimately we are dependent upon the spirit of God that we can have the best confession in the world.

We can have the greatest intent in the world with the greatest care to make sure that we're dotting the I's and crossing the T's of gospel teaching, but apart from the spirit were going to drift apart and spirit week we can't do what needs to be done and we will be easy pickings for our enemies and so we've got to be people who cry out to God to plead with him to acknowledge our weakness, our dependence and looked at him for the grace of the street that is needed for us to stand and if the spirit doesn't help us. It doesn't matter. Whatever else we do all will be lost. So, may God make us always mindful of our dependence upon the work of his sovereign spirit, that was a great exhortation for all of us, even if were not involved in the SPC just to remember these things, particularly what you said about the gospel always proclaiming the gospel. Getting to that most important offer that God has that is made to us how we can be right with him and then exulting him insulting his son and then as you mentioned last always realizing we need to to live in pursuit ministry never than we do in the power of the Holy Spirit to thank you for that great reminder Tommy for coming on the Christian rule of you. We thank you also for producing this film by what standard we hope everyone listening today watches this film other in the Southern Baptist convention now be very helpful to understand how Satan tries to undermined churches and institutions and individuals, and they can be very helpful for people to watch as a thank you for all your hard work and producing that we just wish all of God's best to you and your family and your church as well. David, thank you so much for all your doing. Thank you for having me on your show.

It's been a great joy to be a part of this program okay now Tomas will everyone. I hope you all benefited as much as I did just from listening to him over the past three weeks here in the program talking about these issues within the Southern Baptist convention again encouragement to get the film I mentioned how you can get it by going to our website the Christian it's available just to watch online or if you'd rather have a DVD. It's 110 minutes long and it's a substantive film.

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Okay, just some follow-up on this today. We talked about the issue of same-sex attracted quote Christians that's becoming a thing to identify that way or has become, and the Bible. Let's be clear, has never had a sinful modifier before Christian is not a lustful Christian or a coveting Christian. That's not the way the Bible ever refers to a Christian. Of course a Christian can encounter those sinful decide desires, but should never accept them as part of his or her identity but rather as the Bible says put to death the deeds of the flesh of the desires of the flesh and just look at these passages from Colossians and Romans and see whether, after reading these that you can still identify yourself with sin.

So Colossians 3 says in verse five. Therefore, consider the members of your earthly body is dead to immorality, impurity, passion here one evil desire out of homosexual desire is evil, sinful desire and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

Romans six knowingness that her old self was crucified with him in order that our body of sin might be done away with so that we would no longer be slaves to sin, for he was died with Christ is freed from sin. Romans 812. So then brother we are under obligation not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh and I'll add to its desire sinful desires for if you're living according to the flash you must die. But if by the spirit is Tomas Corder saying you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live for all who are being led by the spirit of God, these are sons of God, not there is a difference I think between temptation and desire. Temptation is something like a sinful thought that is presented to you that you have a choice of delving further in orbit in the power of the spirit overcoming after this break will get back to what it desire is and how we should never, as Christians, except sinful desires as okay are my identity.

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We are talking about the difference between desire and temptation and how Scripture says we should put to death the deeds of the of the body are our sinful desires. We shouldn't accept them in and just as this is who I am. Your temptation as it is a sinful thought or something that presents to you and your choice from there. Whether you're going to partake or you're going to overcome to the power of the spirit desires like that but I desire has more of the sense of an ongoing something you really want in your life. Something that you've accepted in your life so temptation in its self is not a sin but a desire for what is wrong is sin if you if you accept and embrace that desire and just say while knocking a partake in applying the hold on to the desire, no that that is not what God wants for the believer in course you may have sinful desires or desire for pornography or desire for something illicit or or some transgression, of course, every believer has that Bush never be accepted into all this is will this is this is just the way am I can overcome this note. That's what Christ died and you identify with Christ in his death. If you're a believer and his resurrection is victory over sin and that's what he gives us the Holy Spirit in his word to be able to overcome these sinful desires because if you harbor the sinful desires for long and accept them.

Eventually, in a moment of weakness, you will act on them so accepting sinful desires as okay are my identity identity without trying to crucify them or mortify them through the power of the Holy Spirit is wrong and by the way, as Tom was saying.

Homosexual desire is always sinful because there is no context in which it can be fulfilled righteously now heterosexual desire is not always necessarily sinful, as long as that desires for your spouse, so there is a difference there.

Homosexual desire is sinful wants for someone who's not your spouse, but it's not when it's for your spouse, but there's no context in which homosexual desire is is not sinful. So this idea of a same-sex attracted Christian as it's quoting that's what they're called. I desire for a man to commit homosexual acts with another man you want to be more graphic about it. That's always wrong that needs to be overcome and obtainable in true believer's life. When a Christian has a sinful desire like lobster a same-sex attracted desire that they would say he or she should confess it claim the victory that Christ gives us over it and through the power of the Holy Spirit. Trust God that it can be overcome. The second issue I think that was important from today's interview was how to avoid drift and this is the principle of of life and it's a scientific law that things tend toward disorder not order the same with ourselves and organization spiritually in doctrinally and I read or I there's another sound, but that in play in the film.

It was by Glenn sunshine.

He is a guy that talked about critical race theory. I think I may have played one soundbite from him in the first first part of this series, I want to play one more about where critical race theory leads where it goes. Here's Glenn's sunshine talking about that Mike mainstream can't even support free-market economics. For example, sometimes called capitalism.

If you accept critical theory. The two of them are antithetical because in free-market economics people have choices they make decisions. Some of them when some of them some of them loose critical theory says that if you've lost somebody have to have the press to not you just made a bad decision so you can't end up with anything like conservative theology, conservative social policy conservative politics. You can't end up any of those places. If you buy into critical theory, it will inevitably leave you left it started on the left and it will lead you to the left. Okay that's very important understand the wrong foundation the wrong worldview.

That's why you can't use critical race theory as that man was saying as an analytical tool. If you start using the wrong worldview. The wrong presuppositions.

It inevitably leads you left.

Theologically, it inevitably leads you to drift things tend towards disorder. So that's why Jude said we need to contend earnestly for the faith. That's how you avoid drift says I felt the necessity to write to you Jude to appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints verse four for certain persons have crept in unnoticed.

Those who are long before him marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ member. There's a whole world of professing Christians out there, but within that world. There are wheat true Christians and there are tears professing Christians who may be really genuine and sincere, but their tears are not truly saved in the introduce, maybe even not insidiously or not in a undermining way that maybe they think they're doing the right thing but nevertheless on false doctrine gets introduced and then inevitably leads these organizations and individuals to drift in a big organizations there is made up of people and swear those people are, doctrinally, that makes a difference. We are all very easily influenced and compromised. It says and wrote first Timothy four, Paul tells Timothy his younger his understudy in the faith. Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you. There is this sense that you we need to watch very carefully about what we believe, what is our doctrine and our standard is God's word.

Ultimately, Tom Haskell said this in in the film. I really do think it's time just to say, look, this is we have a book this is this. If you believe the book of Esther were on the same team. If you say yeah believe book but because the position I'm in, and I really can't say much, then go get a different kind of job we have a book. The book is inspired by God.

It's a supernatural book. It's a book, unlike any other book. It is that the mind of the will and the ways of God put down in black ink on white paper inspired and inerrant and infallible go back to the book.

That's how you avoid drift. Thank you for joining us today on the Christian review radio program lot to think about was going on. The Southern Baptist convention, but also what's going on. A broader evangelicalism.

Hopefully it's informed all of us and sharpened our worldview to be more discerning about what is taking place into always go back to the book as our final authority. There is one thing Christian to know what we can count on entrusting the Bible says Jesus Christ and his word. There the same yesterday today and forever until next weekend. Everyone think biblically and live accordingly. We hope today's broadcast turned your heart toward God's word and his son to order a CD copy of today's program or sign up for our free weekly email or to find out how you can be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ go to our website the Christian world dawdle. Call us toll-free at one Tripoli 646-2233. Christian worldview is a weekly one-hour radio program that is furnished by the overcome of foundation and is supported by listeners and sponsors request one of our current resources with your donation of any amount go to the Christian world dawdle or call us toll-free at one Tripoli 646-2230 3.2 SF Box 01, Excelsior, MN 55331 that's Box 401, Excelsior, MN 55331. Thanks for listening to the Christian will.

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