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It's one of America's most important, influential and respected voices on cultural and political issues and apologist Christian political advocate and author is the founder and chairman of the citizen for America foundation, Dr. Chris, money and wealth in the Christian perspective, we have great day Fred, your great life that you can be with us today why the water is been happening in the arena of pro-choice and pro-life with what the Supreme Court is about to do, and with the breaking news story that just broke about a week ago you want to tell your friends to come enjoy the show. You're not gonna want to miss and you want to share the podcast later, all is great you got a lot of great information. We need to know as Christians and we enter the battlefield for Jesus and defend the life of unborn baby welcome the Christian perspective on Chris you worked so happy to be with you today from the campus of Mid-America Baptist theological seminary for the Christian perspective studios are based in Memphis, Tennessee. If you're looking for college to attend. I encourage you to take a look at the college of Mid-America. They have not only great educational programs but they also teach students how to develop a biblical worldview.

We all have a worldview.

The worldview is just the list to which we see the world as Christians, we certainly should see the world through the lens of the Bible.

Check out the College of Mid-America or maybe wanting to get a Masters degree or doctorate degree. I encourage you to visit MA that you may and look at Mid-America Baptist theological seminary family program is called apologetics and basically is teaching you what Christians believe we need to know what we believe and why we believe it and and by studying apologetics to gives us the tools to defend our faith and that's really what were doing here today is on the issue of life. So many young people today don't know what the Bible says about the laws of unborn babies is abortion right is abortion.

All well, I guess. Today a great shortage. ST is a college student.

She's a junior college so you not listen to some old guy like me, your auto some women's I want to wonder what any man has to say, well I think that's just nonsense, but hey, I got answer that.

Today I got great grace is going to share with us what is going on a cross-country grace thank you for being back on the Christian perspective. Always love Avenue thank you for having me.

And by the way I want to thank you publicly just a few weeks ago you were at the culture engagement silent folks, if you're listening you missed the culture engagement summit with an interest in the on April 30 grace with one of our speakers in every time I hear Gray speak. She just blows me away with her knowledge and in her ability to communicate on such a difficult issue for many of us mean a lot of us avoid because we don't know what the Bible says about abortion and yet we don't want to get shouted down or canceled by her friends so we don't say much on the abortion issue and is to me is just refreshing to see a young lady was in college she stood firm in her beliefs and she now traveled the country teaching other people. The Bible says about these issues are great. I just want you know I appreciate you want to bear here probably bullet you know she briefly got gaze to another great cultural warrior and they travel the country and I'll encourage you to follow grace. She's a pro-life Barbie you fall are probably on Instagram and in other social media have an executor sure the that with us later on how to follow work and and keep in touch with with what she's doing and her fiancé Browning's are now traveled the country, teaching people about this important issue will grace a little over a week ago there was a leak in about a Supreme Court ruling. So what I like to do if you don't mind and I know we paid on the show before, but the listener side of this what you had to say that they are if they were at the culture engagement summit why we start with just assuming people don't know anything and give us a little background to be talking about a case called Roe V Wade what is the Roe decision and how did that affect the pro-life movement in America today absolutely felt really Wade way clean court decision that was made in 1973 I will mention it with seven men that made the decision out and effeminate. They are saying that men can be able to make growth that their body will be made by men on and all men who made that decision and basically what it did it last eight made it says that he broke pregnancy in Chile trimesters that them and they said you can't restrict abortion at all in the first trimester.

You can do certain restrictions in the second trimester, and you can totally outlaw abortion in the third trimester, but basically it made it so that on a federal level abortion was legal through all nine months for any reason and it went its companion case which is guilty. Bolton handed down on the same day it was another decision that was about about abortion anywhere together. I believe they called in for staircases and it made it so that you could not restrict abortion in any case for intake and health of the mother which is a very loose term emailing a lifetime feel I can talk about cases in a way the mother life is in jeopardy.

But that's not the same thing as the health of the mother being in jeopardy dissipated.

Include anything from financial how emotional health and relational health and the health of her career didn't necessarily just physical health. So basically it.

For all intents and purposes, it means that abortion is legal in all 50 states are pretty much any reason for that was a major PR victory for them and I realize that's where they now when they run around all I mean I get sick of hearing the news every night the health of the mother the help of the monarchy. So that's where it came from sonar listeners can understand. You know, because that is really deceive a lot of young women in the country in young men to is there trying to say it's a healthcare issue when really you and I know that abortion really has nothing to do with the health of the mother in real life and death situation. In most cases I think it less than 3%.

So that's where they got that is just like the homosexual community know where they coined the term J which is always a happy friendly term left is been great at courting these phrases like healthcare of the of the mother women's shelter issues.

Sorry, I just got off the rabbit really when you said that just resonated with me. That's where it all started in was with that other case the pestilence and I am sorry great scope. Go ahead, you know, I am II get on these and I will actually interject second. I think that something that's really important for your listeners know how to come back when people are telling you about just want women to die abortion and fly out really quickly got my jump in and you please a way that respond to that doubt.

There is no medical reason why a woman would need to get an abortion to save her life. And I say that with the backing of many many OB/GYN there were there was a group of OB/GYN actually in Ireland that came out and they said there's no medical reason for an abortion to save the life of the mother and I say that the definition of an abortion being the direct and intentional killing of a baby in the world. Now there are sometimes where we need to give a woman medical care that will unintentionally end a life of that pre-born baby that is very morally different from going in and directly and intentionally killing the baby like for an ectopic pregnancy.

We don't go in and show the baby and then take out we remove the ectopic pregnancy or the part of that fallopian tube at the problem that we can save the life of the mother, but were not going in and killing the baby 90 deal preterm delivery and hope that the Navy survives, but the reason why the natives diagnosed cases is not because we are killing the baby because our technology is not to the point yet where the data can survive outside the work that is a huge distinction and I just want everyone to be able to contact that because that was something I didn't even know for many years, you know, a lot of times pro-lifers are likely saying that you were against abortion in all cases except for health of the mother or life of the mother cases. There are no length of the mother cases where abortion when it is defined as bracket intentional killing of pre-born baby is required well but that is so important. Grace because I hear that all the time and I know you do is you travel across the country. As you know, the drugmakers delegate the big issue and if so that's important for us to add your toolbox of how we defend this issue. What about so situate with the life of the mother would ask you out to others Which will spot the other two ears. They talk about a rape and incest.

So usually if there is an exception. The exception is ill, rape, incest on the life of the mother. I don't know I think you're just never asked you I think your position is abortion is wrong in every case but another a lot of legislators and others who like to throw that term) to select mother. What about of those other two cases of rape and incest.

I am pro-life.

In all cases, and I think that when people ask us that question. I think usually there in two different camps.

There are people who are actually genuinely concerned about that. And then there are people who kind of just like throw that out there to shut up people who are pro-life and to tell us you know that the gigantic to be quiet it is in a very difficult subject to talk about.

But regardless of know whether the person has good intentions are not really primarily our job, he'll first of all make is that they understand that we believe that rape is a horrible thing.

I know you would think that you wouldn't have to do that but we really do when we're having these conversations and expressing to them that abortion is but I'm sorry rate is no probably one of the most horrible crimes that someone can commit against another person and that that rapist deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law were totally against that woman needs healing from that trauma that has been put upon her.

She needs therapy.

She needs counseling and abortion causes trauma on top of that it doesn't cause trauma trauma that the trauma that this woman is going to be facing last longer than nine months and for the abortion industry to just note use abortion as a Band-Aid kinda slap it on top of the trauma that rape causes as a note as a means to think that it doesn't fix it very often makes it worse. And then I would also run when I discussed… People I would say that I am against rate highs. It goes against the human rights of that person.

If the violation of human rights at the exact same reason why am against abortion at the violation of human rights can't be consistent and say we need to protect all human life and that they rabbit these human life that are not quite as valuable as other human life. Note when were born, our birth certificate. It doesn't have a grading system on it yet where it either a living human being who is full of dignity as Christians we know innately valuable made in God's image. That doesn't go away if the person is conceived in rate or in any other circumstance that is less than ideal.

That is so good grace in the swell of them you'll hear you give us information that is easy to understand. We can use them in discussions on this issue were to break grace will come back on the seat. Could you just talk about human life in this something that I hear when I'm on college campus cross-country load college students teenagers others don't see one policy.

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God is using her wonderful ways help Christians understand that abortion is wrong in the end that's a problem that we have as most pastors never ever preached on the issue of abortion. Most Christians never read the Bible so you when issue comes up in a high school campus or college campus or workplace. Most Christians stay silent on the issue because they don't know you. Is that a human life is just a fleet fetus is blob of flesh does not become a human being. It 15 weeks, or until it comes out of the womb when is it a human life. So grace can you help us out with that is that baby or that fetus is a blob of flesh is a human being and if so when does it become a human being.

Absolutely. I guess I question often at night.

It is so shocking that there are so many people who are confused or conflicted on this issue because biologists are not confused about this a few, there is a wide consensus at life and human life begins at conception at the moment that that sperm and egg come together a DNA because he had entered a new genetic identity that is unique and that is whole and is separate from either the mother or the father and from that very moment it's metabolizing it growing self-directed not a part of the woman.

It's not like our skin cells that are functioning but their functioning to help you it self-directed. It isn't alone human being in that very moment, everything from debating eyecolor here color height. In emetic predispositions. Those are already in the DNA of this baby. So I just don't like to present that to people and they asked me about that stated clearly living it's growing. So how could it not be living. And then I think when you matter up to there with that. But what about when they said he will a cancer on his own.

So the womb I I think that well so viability is something that people are using a lot more but if you think about it. A newborn baby also cannot provide iPhone outside of the will. All of us are dependent on other people for our survival, especially pre-born baby EM now that really is not justification for killing someone because were detected because even human beings outside the womb are dependent on each other for survival so powerful deals are good, but you give such great answers rather than common question I want people to understand yeah absolutely so I was in state next allowed size what people will say is don't say okay well living but is not a human being, but that is one of the most unscientific things that you know how we can every year because Kayla has two human parents and what species visit that I like to ask on the ballot yet what kind of a fetus is it is a human fetus is a dog. This is just a Latin term for small I believe in marriage fetus is in pretty much every different species. So it is human. It is a human fetus is does not mean that it is a different species it means is a level of development. Just like baby child adult elderly. We know we can go in embryo, fetus, yet like that that is not any reason to justify again the killing of the pre-born baby I'm taking notes but I do think you have a book for retail adult to groceries speak so helpful in understanding we were the culture engagement summit. We had another gentleman was a speaker there and struck Ludendorff, who was also a great speaker on this issue.

He debates atheist and in the pro-choice people all over the world, but if I just request we just talked to Scott today Scott which one, and any just troubled all of the world what you're trying to do to address this issue, I was passing through when he was speaking about envelopes when you know your world panels together that day and he was talking about how you can defend it. The pro-life issue with like 60 seconds just by identifying Caesar you just told us of the baby is alive that the human being. Baby is alive and if murder is the intentional killing of a baby than abortion is murder because abortion is intentional killing of another human being. That's really what it boils down to if it's a human being. And that's what they try to argue that for the church is stand up and understand this issue. It is a human being is you is you just so eloquently said you fetus is just a smaller version of something in his work out a fetus is your head puppies you saw a puppy that came out of wife when she was pregnant. We were to bring your so it is a human being so busy human being. If it is living LOL they also say you feel when it comes to covert oh follow the files we got a qualified yet will clearly the science is real.

There's a heartbeat you know that the hands are being developed are spatial expressions of about trying to grow so people are listening on the radio show. But when abortion takes place during a video of babies in the womb crawling to get away from that section 2 tube that is inside the mother's womb trudges vacuum that baby into that vacuum to the something is not living, doesn't try to get away from a backing plate is letting and so is your one work killing it. We are killing that baby murder, abortion is murder to me is pretty simple. I don't know why people have such a difficult time with this issue will order some other arguments that you think Christians might need to so so we covered the viability issue we discovered that it is you malarkey talk about rape and incest are there other questions that you hear on college campuses or meeting that you attended baby Christians need to understand an answer for.

Yeah, I think, especially now that were potentially going to see the reversal of Rosie laid there are a lot of people who are making all these statements about how horrible a posttrial America will be about how you women will die which we have already gone into that explaining that there are no reasons why a while they would need to get an abortion to save her life on the back alley abortion is usually a very big argument that people make, but I'm not sure if your listeners know if anyone has cost.this by Bernard Mason, said he was a doctor and he was the founder of NARAL pro-choice America and he was one of the major players back in 1970s, 1960s, trying to make it that abortion would be legalized throughout the country and in order to get Roe V Wade decided in his favor. What he and his group get Wednesday actually lied about the statistics for how many women died because of illegal abortions every year they said that it was in the thousands which it most certainly was significantly lower than that he actually became pro-life.

Later on in his life and admitted that they had fabricated statistics but that lies where one of the big reasons why whirly waitlist decided in their favor and why abortion rights are the law of the land in America is based on that lie and so many people believe that even though it's been repeated even though the person who made up the statistics has said that it was all filming people that I talked to every single day. They believe thousands of women died every year because of back alley coathanger abortion there actually is not substantial evidence that there was ever even one coathanger abortion. There were certainly unsafe abortions, but they were much much you are then what was purported to be the case, and I often think that just three back every single time you have the conversation you the fact that abortion is the killing is the violent killing of a pre-born baby in the womb and if it is unsafe for perpetrators of a crime that is that is not a reason to make something legal play. Even if someone were to be able to make the case that there would be fewer murderers or that the murder rate would be the same if we made that murder was legal still isn't right, and it is just and it is good for our country to make murder illegal and I think that that's what we just need to keep bringing it back to your getting all the issues here led to what was take a quick break and so we come back.

One thing I want talk about race is not rude, posttrial America, which are just giving such this information, I mean everyone you listen should be taking notes so you can easily explain all these arguments are presented to your grace is doing a great job of it. One of them that I've heard recently about race races that are so socially right about states of America has a strong Christian heritage, most Americans don't know the truly important role God and the Bible is an founder of America foundation, Dr. Chris, or maybe days in our nation's capital with Crystal embark on a journey of discovering the hidden and rediscover much of America's Christian heritage up close and personal look and how it evolved over the government and the men who helped forge this new kind of Republic acknowledge the Creator from its very inception the truth about the creation of about the fate of the mounting father Christian principles secure your spot to join this this show is brought to you by generous Joe's coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back causes you care about. Order your copy today at shop generous Joe's daughter and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget you love or causes you care about the conservative Baptist network is a dynamic movement of Southern Baptist pastors and churches and Christians committed to standing for the sufficiency of God's word in the face of a culture of compromise.

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Grace were to just use with students for wife to travel across the country.

You can follow her Randall pro-life Barbie she's all the different social media was in chief say what you're looking for someone to come to your church. She is also a strong believer in Jesus Christ. She is a strong Christian and she can explain the issue of abortion. Pro-life and pro-choice issues not only from a group biblical and Christian perspective, but she can give the scientific evidence and in a sentence or two. She can help you understand how her or give you the tools of the sensor to to be able to refute the arguments that are presented by really ignorant people on the left with this is an issue of the church for the church is just so ignorant on this issue. Folks, God is not gonna just turn his back on America what we've allowed nearly 63 million babies to be brutally murdered to abortion since 1973, the holder's account we call the church accountable. Could we have been silent on this issue in our Catholic brothers and sisters about a good job with the Protestant world has pretty much been silent on this issue, this time for us to take a stand of there's no greater time, they'll were we have the possibility which want to discuss in greater detail soon of Roe V Wade being overturned the grace before the break we were talking about different arguments and and as I mentioned, one that offers a wide range of some of respect very, very much as the other day got very angry with me and just said here. Why do you support this because this is going to create a healthcare crisis for women in America.

Me I just had the left me to be. That is about. Try to be rude but healthcare crisis really me know what your grace, but don't have sex outside of marriage in this not to be an issue you got out very clear about sexual slim operation of surrogate excited a bit low you're going to call Bill, what will we need to be excited. We need to be upset y'all God's very clear about the consequences of sexual sin throughout the Bible. Sex outside of marriage is wall all you can't give a good defense of the Bible Christian Europe on the biblical perspective and I know that's a lie. You know that your generation, grace is really been pushing me there's heavy pressure.

I would like to be in your position today to be a young woman in college today because are such a pressure port for sexual intercourse, and in other things. From young men. It really goes both ways from women to men amid women because we have a society today that thinks that sex outside of marriage is not all… Long or you do everything you don't get him and try to be grocery or anything except Virgil intercourse. It is okay. That's simply not what the Bible says in God's given us warnings to put a hedge up protection in our lives do not do this in any all abortion.

Simple abstinence is the answer. If you don't have sex outside of marriage. You're not to get pregnant. It's really that simple. So how can you with a straight face. Tell me this is a healthcare crisis to me is not a health issue of emails and probably be banned on Facebook again for all this is not a healthcare crisis is a crisis is sex outside of marriage and if that is stopped and the people say will water component gets) look that is a very very small minority. We've already covered that issue but I don't see how anyone can with a straight face can say that word of a healthcare crisis in America healthcare crisis up with the babies are being murdered should embrace, blood pressures go to people when they tell you. The healthcare crisis. Abortion is not healthcare healthcare aid lives and abortion and lives and harm women who undergo this procedure.

It's simply not healthcare it's not necessary for by any stretch of the imagination, and I totally agree with you. I think that in the pro-life movement. We need to do a better job, especially as believers talking about the crisis that is on our college campuses and I hookup culture, which is a huge issue and I think that we would be quite frankly really stupid if we don't think that this plays a huge role into it and I'll imagine if you're someone who is on a college campus.

You now are pursuing your education you're pursuing your career. That is the number one thing your mind you're having sex with a different person every night. 80 someone he don't even know you get pregnant.

What are the chances that you're going to keep this child 20 chances. You're not going to get abortion when it's seen as something that is not only morally neutral in many circles that abortion is seen as a moral good.

You don't even probably know who the father of your baby is your pursuing your career you might have to drop out of college and you know if you have this baby.

You don't have the funds to support it. It's just emailed this storm that's been cooking up on her college campuses that make that so that is just so easy to understand why these women are getting abortions when they're in those circumstances. Obviously, it's not okay. Obviously it out. This is never a justification to end the life of the baby, but I think that we can understand and sympathize with women who are in the situation why they might be that at the out why they would need to do and I think that's really important is Christian that we address this issue and talk about you know the sanctity of marriage.

Why sex is made, you email the between a man and a woman within marriage and hookup culture is just so destructive and it leads people down this horrible horrible road at least the destruction would it associate issue. Grace and I don't understand why will pastors and youth pastors are not addressing the outside of marriage.

You know it hardly ever do pastors preach on that issue and we need to. It is a crisis in America today and most abortion I don't know what with using surveys of I can probably find something you might know, but probably a large portion of these are just simply like you're saying more people have sex outside of marriage. I doubt there are very many cases. Another slow but probably not very many cases were husband and wife you have have an abortion is probably almost all cases were result of sex outside of marriage and in the six cultural campuses today. It is not just grace is not just college in Ward high school. Even middle school.

The statistics are astounding of the number of kids that are having sex outside of marriage in courses being pushed by our government through something called common sexuality education were even first and second graders are being taught masturbation, self masturbation and mutual masturbation. It by fourth grade being taught about angle and vegetable section were creating a culture of aberrant sexual behavior in America today in the church need to wake up this is a terrible issue, and every time grace of the Bible.

Throughout history, when a society is become a sexual deviant society. God is stepped in and the punishment has been severe, and he's just like I continue to turn his back on the situation in America today okay blood pressures horizon against her gracious. We just got two kids in college and mean it is a fear all the time because I know the peer pressure is tremendous and the availability of drugs were even if your child take Bruggeman BME it can happen to young men who were strictly a young woman. Use your rage I be scared to go any kind of frat party. You're a better dancer anything and take it and I don't mean that alcoholic even a Coke you if you don't have it your hand guarded continuously from conflict with a drug in there and you never even know what happened to you and end up pregnant and not know who did it. It is, is terrible. What's going on on our campuses across the country today is just such an important subject grace to you know if you know statistics would would you say the probably mostly abortions or college age young ladies or or do you have using the new numbers on that I'm I'm not sure whether it is most but I believe it is a very large chunk of abortion is college aged women. I know that they very clearly target women who are in college they have Planned Parenthood groups that they put on campus.

Planned Parenthood is usually very, very often with an the health centers on a lot of different college campuses. I know that there are links to Planned Parenthood at my college. When you go in they will give you literature to go to Planned Parenthood.

It is a huge issue and now I will I will come then Planned Parenthood is horrible as it may, found that they had done a great job of marketing their services heal college-age women and not even not even that might getting into the public school they are the ones mainly doing the sex education landed outdoors in elementary.

She will have sex grace in their creating their own industry, either using taxpayer dollars to teach kids out of 60 kids here about going kids that age should never hear about it and so they start having sex which creates abortions with chills Planned Parenthood make money and and y'all might think I'm cynical, wrong by grace would agree with me their creating a abortion industry. They are in the business there. They are not a woman's health care, they almost never do mammograms or other screenings, they don't. I certainly don't want to do a sonogram's word, the woman can see the baby moving in her womb. They were in the business of abortion, and they're good at it. I was there.

So get out there and evil that they are geniuses. They are so smart that way that they now introduce these kids back earlier and earlier on when they bring that into the clinic and put them on a pale for birth control, which is for birth control that has the highest human error rate. They know that a 13-year-old isn't going to be able to take appellate the exact same time every single day and if they think that their faith are going to get pregnant and then 13 may have to go in to get an abortion. They are already in the schools.

They already had a name recognition that not even that very thing. People you know the students they recognize Planned Parenthood. Another local person from Planned Parenthood.

It's not scary thing because they've already been in there for so long creating this relationship with student and this may be my diet, but this is this is why we need to get our kids out of public will. If we can possibly afford to file it is horrendous when these public schools are allowing and I'm from New Jersey and I love you. You the new curriculum. The on the Army get needed now, but the new sex ed curriculum in New Jersey and just absolutely horrendous and I went through and was looking through a bunch of these videos are called amazed at work. They're all on YouTube so if anyone wants to watch them. You can buy. I will warn you not to show them to actual children because they're so horrible, but there were multiple places in this video where they talked about going to your local Planned Parenthood or these little cartoon characters they were driving on the street. They drove past a Planned Parenthood clinic not even not that even in these videos went as far as to talk about a clinic meeting pregnancy resource centers about how the pain that they don't give women the full option which is it true at all like trying to say they are masquerading as abortion clinics, which is not trying to deal but they're not even just supporting Planned Parenthood there trying to make it.

Kids in elementary school starting as early as literally pre-k believe that pregnancy resource centers our fate clinic doctors ridiculous will and they're the ones that don't give all the options will Planned Parenthood belittle, talk about adoption of they don't want you see sonogram everything else in the church is drop the ball.

Your is a shame that Planned Parenthood is in our schools across the country developing curriculum and in most of our pastors and Christians across the country loosely showcased evening.

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Fortunately, junior-college. You would think she's a professor got a PhD of this issue know so much about it and she so articulate grace. I just like God for the gift that he's given you and your ability and I thank you for obeying God and in using these gifts and tools to really try to about culture for Jesus so I don't know if I ever thank you throwing up publicly, but I think you are being obedient is not easy for you.

I'm sure you've been attacked on college campuses. But I think you can stay undertaking shift gears and talk about the Roe decision. So in the beginning of the show if you didn't get it. This will be released to the podcast efforts on the radio today and you can share with your friends, but grace told us what the Roe V Wade decision was it was passed in 1973.

This at times been married nearly 63 million abortions really have a minimum and a substantial case heard before the Supreme Court, long time on this issue. Thankfully you know you can combine the present trouble. You won't because of him. We change the face of the Supreme Court, hopefully for years to come. And we now have more conservative than liberal justices, encouraging conservative justices to try to push their agenda. I just want people to not legislate from the bench and truly try to interpret the Constitution if we stick with that were okay and there were the case was called the dog's case it was her oral arguments were presented in December of this past year, and the court heard it and veritably photo grace please. This probably but others this case is going to lead to the overturning of Roe V Wade. What I mean is that issue one male. The court I think is going to say will. This is no longer a federal constitutional right with the issue of abortion will be decided on a state-by-state basis in grace just a little over a week ago. Someone leaked some documents which was an early basically early draft stating exactly what you hope would happen. Roe V Wade would be overturned out what you think about that document being released in and under some people are afraid of going to change.

I don't like it, change the decision at all what you think. Is that why was it really happened. Now I think it was definitely really by a leftist staffer who was trying to I need number one probably try to scare one of the justices into changing their opinion on it.

Then secondarily I think that they might once again Congress a chance to try it pass like federal progress and legislation by II agree with you. I don't think that they're going to be successful. I think that there was a very real fear that they would be when this first came out but the more that I think about it the more I think that there probably not going to change their opinion on it like I was on the Supreme Court. I can imagine I would want to be the one person who you know would change my opinion after it had been released.

I think this is probably going to backfire on them. If I show you mine. While I am one thing you if I was on the Supreme Court. It will make me mad is the liberal groups so the Supreme Court does not have Secret Service protection only like and so somebody released the home addresses of the Supreme Court justices other than radical people boycotting and protesting outside her home and I got to tell you you of those crazies were were were threatening my family.

I would not back down. That would have the opposite effect on me. Course I know they're not me, Lord, you know, so I don't think this could change with you the legislation you mentioned. Certainly, possibility, and frankly I don't care me for me. I know the news and I'm starting your your big I mean it is a big deal that it was really mean ethically, and that just shows that liberals will do whatever they have to do to try to to protect their position but I think the other things employed.

Also, the present spend a lot of trouble you economies killing people's no food on the shelves getting your baby formula right now and so they created a new mirrored narrative of the new cycle to end some of the negative talk about words that make us talk about another issue and also work in the middle of primary elections all across the country right now. Also just got a created change national news narrative, but I was jumping for joy because I have believed is you. I know we will both mortal life and was there Supreme Court was giving these arguments presented with these arguments and I think it's great news that Roby weighs only return, but if not, the victory that some Christians think this now just as it back to the states and that's why this election year is off term election-year is so critically important. Grace because male and personally I think school boredom is probably the most important position in the country right now of like going men, women, school boards, but is super important mail that we pay attention to statehouse the state Senate races district associate within states are called different things in different states with their District Court district judges that are elected and then their state Supreme Court justices are elected in the state and we need to pay attention to who's going to serve all these courts because male.

The is going to the state and is to be a state issue if if what we think is going to happen does in fact happen really need men and women sitting on the court who will not try to legislate from the bench. We just look at the law.

If all of the state constitutions. This can be crucially important grace that we elect godly men and women of the statehouse and state Senate because their heartbeat bills are to be presented all across the country to determine if you can abortions be allowed when and where we don't have a lot of time and you kind of address what you think legislative is going to be happy to maybe explain to Alyssa what a heartbeat billows to that's probably the most common billet thing your wedding what you see happening legislatively.

I think heartbeat billows probably going to be the most common thing that were going to see when this happened on Harvey Village. Basically where once they can hear or sense the pregnancy, the heartbeat of the baby. They are not going to be a lot viewing abortion. At that point, which is around six weeks so it is very early on but one the things that I want to stress is that as a movement. Pro-life people have been kind of taking advantage of by legislators for a long time where they will give it a very you know it all. When Eldon abortion at 20 weeks, but exceptions are 15 weeks that exception.

I want the pro-life community. After Roby waited for first you just cause a ruckus for your legislators, especially if you're in a Republican state that had not full on and abortion and just call them up and let them know that yes we are happy that if you do an incremental they'll bring us closer toward the final goal but we are not going to be happy or not going to be done talking about this issue until abortion is fully bad in our state where happy with a 15 week band were happier in a 60 fan but were not done until it totally gone. Grace, if it is six weeks is when a heartbeat happens whirly what the call heartbeat billet 12 or 15 weeks. I don't believe those are heartbeat Bill I think that's 15 week and that's that line and one that the dog case is a 15 week band that is different from a heartbeat.

Bill okay the relevant so that's good information and will close one way you can do that is attuned. There's usually in every statehouse or state Senate race is usually either debates or will the call for and what I would encourage you to do is give them on the record publicly your flat out asked them will will you sponsor or cosponsor a bill that bans abortion at six weeks.

Heartbeat occurs, enforce them in a public venue and get a recorded internal. The camera turn on your phone and get them to publicly state that this can strengthen your case down the line. This is just such a huge issue in grace.

I am grateful for the work that you are doing a students for life. How can college students across the country were more about your organization and get involved in educated if they want to follow me. They can me on Instagram or twitter can't Gagnon says I'm pro-life Harvey on all of them that they can learn what were doing what were up to. And they want to get involved with students for life. They can go on in life website and look for their regional coordinator and emailed them that they can get involved. This is the most crucial time in most of our lifetime. Get involved in the pro-life movement. We need all hands on deck, especially now that Roby laid looks like it's going to be reverse we need people who are going to be lobbying their legislators. We need people who are going to be educating pro-lifers on how to defend their position.

We need people on college campuses who are supporting women who are pregnant need people in pregnancy resource centers. We really just need all hands on deck and if you are not involved get about three fantasies for life reach out to me.

We will will help you out with wherever you need to go grace. Thanks so much for being with us today. I sure appreciate absolutely. Thank you so much for having me quote you can follow her at pro-life Barbie this pro-life whirly information is a Christian perspective. Learn more about impacting the culture for Jesus. Visit citizens for America foundation. This is the Truth Network

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