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What is the Future of the Southern Baptist Convention?

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May 16, 2022 5:30 am

What is the Future of the Southern Baptist Convention?

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May 16, 2022 5:30 am

Dr. Scott Colter of the Conservative Baptist Network talks with Chris Hughes about the importance of attending the annual SBC meeting in Anaheim in June and the future of the SBC.

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Thank you Dr. Cusick my privilege and pleasure and so glad to be with you. Have followed your work for some time and several different avenues and strict part of it today.

Well I'm glad you're here because were just a month away that not even a month and Southern Baptist convention, which is the largest Protestant denomination of the world is going to hold their annual meeting in Anaheim California this year and a lot of our listeners are Southern Baptist and thought we'd take the opportunity today to maybe educate people little bit about the convention because you don't go to when I'm in one of his churches across country. I know you preach all of the country to the pastors. Note the other Southern Baptist with so many churches today don't even call themselves Baptist date won't have this mass appeal so they have something that may not have the word Baptist in it but there still affiliated with the Southern Baptist convention and but people of the people might not even notice that their members with other Baptist church or if they are, they don't know what it means you know it isn't like the Catholic Church were there some hierarchy that that rules over. Can you come to give us a broad definition of what is it mean to be a Southern Baptist in and do they govern our local churches. You're absolutely glad to do so in, proud and happy Southern Baptist. I've been a Southern Baptist all of my life and God have followed our denominational work for some time now and so occasionally an outcome of the Presbyterian Church jerk work out of the heart of the Anglican church were commonly not sure but I do know well how much of convention works and that were unique people.

There's there's no other group really in the world like Southern Baptist. We come together and and the convention of what we collect is a convention of church weekly claim. Now that we have more than 16 million members in total and north of 47,000 individual Southern Baptist autonomous congregation was unique about the SBC, the Southern Baptist convention is that all of these churches come together they pay work together and they partner together for certain purposes, but they really are independently called at autonomous and so there's not a governing structure over these churches that tells them what they can do, how they will minister how they will starve or even what they believe each churches independent and have the freedom to determine according to the Scripture and the Lordship of Christ, how they will operate in, and who they will call as their pastor, how they function and what they do and that they're held accountable. Of course the Scripture and and by our Lord. But there's not a governing board bit that gives oversight or gives direction to that makes Southern Baptist unique from every other denomination and every other group you've got a bishop or a College of Cardinals are ultimately the Pope or some type of a structure that is is over arcing over that church and in determining how that congregation who their minister will be there their pastor of Eric's bishop would be the priest would be what people will believe what the governing documents are that the creeds and all those kind of things that determine what will take place in that church, Southern Baptist are fiercely unique, there autonomous Baptist with some of the early groups that came to America speaking religious liberty seeking freedom of religion, seeking the ability to express their religion and to worship and to exist, however they desired without government interference without government oversight and that those groups came over at Congregationalist. And as early English Baptist coming into the country and different kind of things like that but wanting the freedom to to take their Bible and you open the word of God to read and to understand what it what it said. The church should be from the New Testament church model and try and put those things into practice as best I can especially understand it without any outside interference. In that system has carried a has carried forward so Baptist RAA. Today there are very independent group Carolina autonomous churches and that we come together into a convention to do certain things to do certain things that we can do better together than we can separately. The main thing that is in international and domestic missions, and so Southern Baptist determined perhaps you you have one congregation and someone from that church. The old led to be a missionary and want to serve overseas in a full-time mission capacity, but that churches that is a small Southern Baptist Church. Perhaps they can't afford to send that person full-time to pay that person's full-time salary and benefit to serve overseas in a in a full-time mission context. There may be a church of the rotor church across town that wants to support mission but doesn't have anyone in their congregation that but feels led to go into serve in that way into occupied at that calling is a missionary, but they want to support some of that role may have some some fun resources to do so. So the very base level.

These churches have come together and said will hear someone that wants to serve, and that here's a church that wants to support someone who wants to serve, we can we can work together we can cooperate to put that missionary on the field excess principle that is been central to the cybernetics convention from the beginning that we can do more together than we can separately you have independent, autonomous churches coming together primarily for the function of of missions both internationally and locally here in our own country and in North America and church planting efforts. All of that. We also do some other thing theological education. We can train our future pastors and our students better incorporate settings that are supported by communities of churches together and convention the churches and so we have theological education.

Your national mission.

We have some public-policy type endeavors with the ethics and religious Liberty commission, and then some benefit the pastors things like that but he started to come together to work primarily for the cause of mission and their independent groups that gather once a year and what we call the Southern Baptist convention annual meeting. This is a very significant meeting because it truly is a democratic process.

These churches come together and they each stand what we call messengers. They're not delegates, but the concept is similar that are messengers, representatives of those churches who come to the annual meeting.

The convention and vote according to their own individual conscience. They vote they believe the Lord would have them to do what they believe the Bible says is the right path forward and so only in the SBC can individual churches represented by their messengers have their voice heard and really affect the direction of the denomination.

What denomination is doing what they are adopting resolutions and motions all those type of thing.

The church is control that process, the joke from pastors and preachers have been told for years of your church called into Nashville where our executive committee office is with directors and the different administrative staff people work for the SBC and they called in with some request and the lady on the phone didn't like the request. She said Sir don't you understand you're talking to the headquarters of the Southern Baptist convention Hitler and the pastor responded to her and said no ma'am. Don't you understand you are talking to the headquarters of the Southern Baptist convention in his pastorate there of the local church in the local church context, like the an anecdotal story.

I doubt it actually ever happened and told for years and years, but it captures this idea that the churches are actually the headquarters and the highest office within the SBC of the conventional churches coming together.

Well, that's important to understand that the local church is where the action is happening where the decisions are truly being made and I thank you for giving the distinction because a lot of people don't understand the difference between you know it is just a name. Why is it important to be a Southern Baptist as opposed to some other denomination. I traveled speaking churches of all denominations and something that I've noticed is particularly like Leslie for example, independent Baptist Owen independent Baptist churches. They have missionaries just like the Southern Baptist convention has missionaries and their missionaries are not supported through the cooperation of churches they have to take time away from the mission field. Every year to travel across the country and visit churches in and ask for donations and basically beg for money to be able stay in the mission field and that's something that is unique and different about the Southern Baptist convention, as you said, they cooperate together and by the way you are looking mission is that's called the cooperative program.

So if you attend Southern Baptist Church and you. There are several offerings each year. The Annie Armstrong offering the Lottie Moon offering and others that money is going into a cooperative program meeting we cooperate as other churches and when we send missionaries a Southern Baptist and and we are the largest missions in the organization of the world. I believe these in the Protestant world that were sending missionaries around the world. Those churches are cooperating those missionaries don't have to come back and visit churches and beg for money every year because are being supported through cooperation of the different churches across the country and across the world to support missions in Edo debacle drug of a small country church and in the mountains of North Carolina we could never afford to send missionaries to China and Russian. All these places around cooperating allow the lawlessness is all over your target is really like that. This show is brought to you by generous jokes. The coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back to causes you care about. Order your copy today at shop generous Joe' and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget the coffee you love or causes you care about locking the thick step for Jesus 10 feet of Bible come to life and I joined nationally for radio host and found that since Pontiac and foundation staff to create life-changing it's one of the world of meaning, traveled from all over the world for thousands of reasons.

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Dr. Coulter you were talk about the annual meeting coming up in Anaheim and you mentioned messengers can vote like you to explain a little bit more if you don't mind because again it a bit, probably more than 90% of the people sitting in a pew or Southern Baptist church on Sunday have no clue that there's an annual meeting coming up work they do help they can participate as a voting member which is a messenger so how does somebody become a messenger and then I bet a lot of churches don't realize that you will easily share with me the small church can have exact same number of votes as a mega church and most pastors up, talk to don't even understand this or can you explain what a messenger is and how many can come from a church in an is that does that vote really matter that Chris happy to do so. This is a really important meeting takes place every year and it's a it's essentially a two day business meeting. Now I know all the bad is that there sit back in the chair and enchondroma may hear today business meeting, we all set for church business meeting, but the significance of this is that in those today the direction of a 16 million member denomination is determined. We have six seminaries that better training, more than 1/3 of the pastors that are prepared and are taught in this country and so Southern Baptists represented a a group of people a fraction of the churches in this country but 1/3 of all pastors are trained in our SBC seminarians of the next generation really is being trained in the institutions.

Thousands of missionaries are sent overseas and up to North America and across the country to plant churches and to serve from our international mission board or North American Mission Board. We've got tremendous ability to impact and influence the world for the cause of Christ through the efforts of the seven habits convention and there are literally hundreds of millions of dollars spent through this cooperative effort through this cooperative program that you talk about there that funds all of this makes it possible only in the SBC. Can a missionary be paid full-time to serve a full-time role overseas not to have to come back and write support not to have to ask for money and take time away from God is called them to do because our churches are coming together and sang back the priority that we want to support that we want to get behind. It's our cooperative mission endeavor and effort to get all of that is is led and is controlled by what takes place in this today business meeting that we complete all the Southern Baptist convention annual meeting takes place once a year and it moves around the country. So this year coming up.

It's in Anaheim, California, or that it was in Nashville Tennessee here close to where I live in Memphis and in Dallas before. It's been in Birmingham. It's been scheduled in Orlando. It will be in Charlotte in a couple of years coming up so it it moves around across the country to try and get posted to various people so everyone can participate in it and those who can participate are what we call messengers from local churches. So at a church next Southern Baptist Church recognizes that they intend cooperate with us by by affirming some SBC statements or bite by filling out some report showing their intent cooperate in making a financial contribution of some way of some size through this cooperative program through their state convention for one of these efforts that helps our our work together and that qualifies the church to send to messengers to the annual meeting to two representatives to have a full vote and to participate in the entire process of the convention on behalf of that church and we don't call them delegates because the delegate is post to carry someone else's desires forwarders post represent your state or those who have elected you a messenger simply goes and boats according to their conscience folks according to their conviction we believe is Baptist and something called soul competency that each person is individual and and is accountable to the Lord for what he or she does with the opportunities and the stewardship it for them and so we trust Southern Baptist a comment about according to the Bible to vote according to what they believe is right and what the Lord is leading them to do, led by the Holy Spirit on those kind of decisions on those election and then a church can based on their participation level, which really is is determined by the amount that they contribute can send up to 10 additional messengers.

In addition to those two things that and so if you're a member of a Southern Baptist Church. Your congregation can spend anywhere from 2 to 12 messengers based on that, the degree to which they support Southern Baptist causes and Southern Baptist missions. I noticed getting technical but each percent of their budget or a $6000 increment, whichever is lower, qualifies them to send an additional messenger and so what you mentioned, there are very small church, perhaps and in rural Arkansas bid chooses to give 10% of their their budget to these mission efforts to Southern Baptist cooperative mission causes that that small church, however small they might be is qualified to send 12 messengers to the convention. They have 12 voting members that can show up wherever the meeting is in vote according to their conscience. That's as many as eight as a gigantic mega church can stand so you might have a church with 40,000 members if they give the maximum amount they can send 12. You might have a very small church with maybe only 15 members but if they give 10% of their budget. They can also send 12 and so are part convention is skewed toward the little diet skewed towards the everyday grassroots Southern Baptist Church. Most of our churches have fewer than 100 people gathering on Sunday morning so we are a convention of small and medium-sized churches that you don't hear about in the news you don't hear about them on television about a controversial. They are simply faithfully serving faithfully teaching the word of God. Week after week, ministering to people supporting missions and quietly going about the work that God is called them to do that is the overwhelming majority of Southern Baptist and those churches can have a tremendous impact if they will participate in this meeting each year. It's very disappointing to me because just a fraction of southern Baptists show up and have their voice heard it. It takes significantly fewer than 10% of our churches are even represented at the annual meeting, even by one person. Therefore, metrics representing them. This last year. The meeting was in Nashville and we work really hard. We turned out a record turnout people in the last 20 years we had 17,000 messengers registered for that convention.

And even with that record turnout that was only I believe. About 11% of our churches represented so on a banner year on a really high turnout year will be. We did all we could turnout people only about 11% of our churches were even represented 89% totally were disengaged totally were not participating in the process and and therefore had no opportunity to be influential in the direction the denomination to have their voice heard what you participate in any way. There's a ton of our churches out there that need to engage me to participate began engaging in each processes to hold our domination going the direction we wanted to go to hold it headed towards biblical and conservative values and principles that Southern Baptist have always been characterized by himself. I would encourage your listeners today. Chris if if they are part of a church, you can simply ask your pastor, you can ask your church that hates are we qualified to sending messengers to the annual meeting. How many can be sent a lot of pastors haven't even thought about it they forgot about this, but relegated it kind of the pages of antiquity and and need to be reminded can we send someone I would like to go. I would like to represent our church. I would almost guarantee they can fit into not sending any they might be able to send all the way up until 12 but if you're interested in that it's very important to get engaged into a great job Chris of talking to people of the importance of voting and participating in elections in our country the same way and it's an anonymous convention. Those who show up have the ability to change the course of things to change the outcome of the directional thing but if you stay home if you sit if you sit idly by if you don't engage that you really can't complain because you're not doing anything to fix it.

Not doing resolve the problem and so I would. I would hope that our listeners today would want to engage just like we vote for the direction our country. We can vote for the direction of our convention as well.

Told her that so important in this information. I just learned something. I'm pretty involved but I did not realize you were talking about messengers and the difference between a messenger to delegate and I mistakenly thought that if your messenger that you were supposed to represent you like your your church might send you with a list you know if this is you can become what we wanted about this where the other II didn't realize it. The distinction is a messenger is that were disposed to seek God's guidance and our vote is our own, not that of of necessarily our home church and I think that's important because it shows the our individual vote counts even more than you may realize could you not representing somebody else you representing yourself as a follower of Jesus Christ under the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit. So I did know that that's important.

Maybe some of you that are listening have never heard of the Southern Baptist convention annual meeting is coming up in Anaheim California which is a great place to visit your you turn it into a vacation with a lot of important stuff is going be taking place over those two days.

The Southern Baptist. You have a powerful say when when less than 10% of churches are being represented across the country across the world. Every single vote counts and we need you to attend knuckle for so correctly. Replica of commercial break your second so if I wanted to become a messenger for listening and you said you know what I did know this is having.

I love to go to California, but I'd also like to have a say in the direction of what seminaries are teaching at the Southern Baptist convention. It what our beliefs are as a is a Protestant denomination. What we believe in, and I want to stop the liberal influence of critical race theory is coming in how to become a messenger will the first step I think so so greatly if I mess up your doctor cultures. I would call the church office from a pastor and tell them that you're interested in being a messenger and there's a website maybe if you know maybe you can can Google Southern Baptist convention and and think they have a cipher. Messengers are paid for messengers which you have to know the name, your church in each church has a unique number is a member of the Southern Baptist convention is not something that you will probably come in. I was a member, but your church secretary can pastor probably doesn't even know what your church secretary will have that number so when you go online to register, you have to have the church number. You have to have the amount that they gave admissions and I think you have to have overall budget maturity. No doctor cultures only like three things that you have to have Natalie correcting your church will have all that information. Every church is unique and different number were fiercely independent, autonomous, and so some churches want to have a meeting, a business meeting and they elect their messengers. They say this is the group of people we want to stand in the church affirms that other times, the pastor simply make the decision himself and plugs demand. So the first step is to contact your pastor, your church office. Let them know your interest in that.

Ask them what the prophets in your local church is, but it's as simple as the church filling out this SBC ID plugging Ugandan and pre-registering you if if they don't do that.

You can even register the day of your church at choose you as a messenger, but you can even show up in Anaheim register the day in and complete that process. There is your church has has facilitated that so there's some different ways. There, we would encourage people to preregister all that taken care of ahead of time, but your church will have a Infonet process to express the desire and the wife….Culture Unisys will talk more about the annual meeting of the village of what America has a strong Christian heritage, most Americans don't know the truly important role in God and the Bible is the founder of American foundation, Dr. Chris remaining days in our nation with crystalline bargaining journey discovering the hidden much of America's forgotten disinherited up close and personal, and how it evolved over the government and the mental health new kind of Republic when they acknowledge the creator from its very inception the truth about the creation of the date of the mounting father Christian principles governing America secure your spot to join this show is brought to you by generous Joe's coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back to causes you care about. Order your copy today at shop generous Joe' and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget you love or causes you care about the conservative Baptist network is a dynamic movement of Southern Baptist pastors and churches and Christians committed to standing for the sufficiency of God's word in the face of a culture of compromise. The passion and prayer of the conservative Baptist network is that God would help Southern Baptist a bowl for the gospel so that we might see revival in America and the Christ. Visit our website to learn how you and your church can join and support this exciting movement yesterday… Culture.all through the executive director of the network were talking about the annual meeting coming up in just a few weeks of the Southern Baptist convention in Anaheim California and we been talking about the importance of churches sending messengers or representatives at that meeting were they can vote on important issues that will guide the future where the Southern Baptist convention is going right before the commercial break were talking about how you can become a messengers really simple note. Probably your churches never go to bring it up at a business meeting on a Sunday morning is time to take you having the initiative to go to your pastors they had pastor I was. I was a Christian perspective and ducks. Cuckold was a guest on and he was talking about the annual meeting coming up in Anaheim a few weeks. I'd like to go. How can I be a messenger or church in the.culture mention either your pastor and some cases can just authorize it or lock it in my church like church had a vote on it, but it was not all there. Richter scale world all their gender anything until I said I want to go with and they voted which is a simple process that we are with our business meeting and they just approved for me to be a messenger from the church and the church secretary gave me the Southern Baptist convention membership number and the amount of money we given the ties and offerings and I just went on the website and preregister myself so it's an easy process. I would encourage you to do that with Dr. Coulter you were part of an organization called the conservative bed that it separate denominational what is the conservative Baptist network and why does it exist that a great question Chris there and this is part of the reason we talked about what the SBC as the synapse convention how it works.

Talk about how to become a messenger. I think the next thing we did talk about here is why. Why would you participate in this process were all busy. We all got important things to do.

You got a full schedule. I've got a full schedule.

Your listeners have a full schedule while why is it important to take two or three days out of the schedule by a plane ticket, messenger, travel all the way across the country. What is at stake. Why would I add one more business meeting to my schedule that question really is and what you're asking here, why does the conservatives that exist we came about as as a grassroots effort in response to some very serious very real concerns that we were seeing a taking place in the Southern Baptist convention I've observed at the denominational level before I observed in the administrator and chief. One of our seminaries and so I've spent years, more than a decade working, behind-the-scenes looking under the hood and how our institutions how our SBC entity operate and became increasingly increasingly concerned. As time progressed a bit direction of the Southern Baptist convention.

It should simply not heading the right direction.

Next expressed in all kinds of ways but just to give you your listeners.

Some examples here.

I think if our primary purpose as Southern Baptist is to work together to cooperate admission. The chief metric of of how successful were being Rachel much the Lord is blessing our efforts would be that worsening people come to Christ that worsening people become active members of the local churches through baptism and participating. So we have always used our number of annual baptisms. The kind of look at the health of our churches look at the health of our denomination are we doing what we set out to do are winning more people to Christ only growing the kingdom of God and are we seeing them follow-through and obedience at what the Lord is commanding us to do in baptism.

If you if you put a chart of our annual baptism numbers.

That number has been declining now for more than 20 years and so year after year.

The number of people that were winning the Christ event were seen being baptized is continuing to decline and ask declining exponentially usually think about an exponential increase meaning is going up like an airplane taking off and heading up quickly. This is the opposite with member is is declining exponentially is not an airplane coming in for soft gentle landing. If an airplane that really is taking a nosedive into the ocean and so but that number is going down more and more quickly and gaining speed. If you want to look back and for COBRA, no COBIT messed up a lot of our numbers but if you go back to 2019 or there is any COBIT effect on our numbers there. If you compare 2019 and want to look back in our history to find the last year the southern baptized as few individuals as they did in 2019. You got to go back to the early 1940s, and that number in the 1940s was going up.

It was increasing.

Now it decreasingly past it again now coming down on the other side and so you look at that chart you would say man. The heyday of Southern Baptist is in the past there heading down and honestly just this is just math and statistics. I know the church will endure another God's work will endure, but if this number continues to go the way it's going Southern Baptist bulges punctually have ceased to exist in the near future we will have kind of gone to a level that we can't recover from them in the very near future. Your so there's tremendous concern that what we are doing isn't working.

What were doing to reach the world for Christ.

What were doing with… With the gospel message. What were doing to minister and to serve as that convention is a denomination simply is not working. What were really failing in some ways, yet we are sending more missionaries and we never sent before where planting more churches than we have ever planted before were spending more money than we've ever spent before, or perhaps training more seminary students and be trained before anything yet worsening lesson last impact in the culture less and less difference in the world but those who are coming to Christ and accepting the hope of his gospel message and and being saved, baptized in that way and so were watching this and were seeing these trends going wait a minute, this this is troubling. This is alarming. The largest Protestant denomination, the most conservative Orthodox evangelical domination. Our country is is becoming less and less effective and and more and more irrelevant in what were doing. Despite our best efforts, despite spending more money. Despite more missionaries, all that stuff is more and yet fewer and fewer results you add to that.

What's actually happening in the denominational level in 2019. I we gather to this annual meeting were talking about and in the resolution was passed in really what I think is an underhanded way of resolution is a statement that the majority of the people at the meeting together together permanent state. This is what we believe that this time we affirm this statement. It can be about doctrine, it can be thinking the city that hosted damage in the event a whole range of different thing. But again, this is why it's important to show up at the meeting because those people who were there that's who's choosing this if they affirm this it representative of all Southern Baptist buttock selected and approved by the group who shows up at the meeting.

That's why it's important to going to participate in that meeting. 2019. Very late towards the end when most people had left already. At the end of the day on a Wednesday or 30 in the afternoon when the conventions over at five people are tired hot there heading home. That resolution was bundled in a group of three or four resolution to the kind of hidden, but it was one that said we as Southern Baptist affirm critical race theory intersection malady as being useful analytical tools, with the implication there of doing ministry work of reaching the world with the gospel and that we affirm.

These are useful things necessary things for doing the work of ministry. Now that was hidden it was bundled together as per the very end of the day and even the end of the few people in the room. Some people caught on the map they raised questions, but it really was forced through a different way that's tremendously concerning Chris.

We call that resolution number nine. That was the number was assigned that data become somewhat implement now in southern Baptist circles. But what that saying is that we need critical race. We need intersection malady been the gospel. The Bible that were using isn't sufficient. It's not enough. What it says is we need the word of God.

Plus the other systems which if you look into them I would come to know are really based on cultural Marxism and in socialistic ideals, but there come forward and are creeping into our society and civilization today. We need those kind of things in order to reach the world with the gospel of Christ and that really flies in the face of what the word of God said what critical race theory does just quickly years it sets up the entire world into two different groups. Those who work oppressors and those who are oppressed, and it divides humans against other human based on those categories often based on skin color minority status.

Those type of thing what it said that if you're a majority person.

If Yuri white Caucasian male like you and I are straight white Caucasian male. We are naturally an oppressor based on our condition based on who we are. We can't help it if you're an African-American person. If your Hispanic person. If you're an Asian person.

You're naturally up draft by your minority status.

Now what that means, that has real theological implications because you and I it were an oppressor, we can't repent of that even if we don't want to be that we can't repent of it because it's been our skin color. We can't change our skin color and that's where you get comments like Matthew Hall, who was the longtime Provost of Southern seminary, one of our Southern Baptist institutions training the next generation of pastors you make comments like with public comments on video recording. We have, but they I'm a racist. And I will be a racist. Until I die what is usually not saying he hates people of minority status is using critical race theory language and math and they're saying because I'm a white person because I'm a male person I'm I'm an oppressor and and I just I can't not be that it's my am within my very DNA. In essence, so I can't overcome the opposite side of that coin is someone who's a minority. They are so oppressed they are not responsible for their sin because well.

Next is the result of their ancestors like result of the position mirroring in society that's resulting her skin color so we can't hold them accountable. We can expect them to live up a righteous, obedient lifestyle because there are so oppressed, there's nothing they can do and so if they Cenex excused away because they're not responsible for that text there a victim of their status in society. Chris what that does. It flies in the face of what the Bible says the gospel.

It the gospel said every single person has sand and fallen short of the glory of God in all of us must repent of our 7 foot of the ground at the foot of the cross is met with the matter what your skin color is we are all from one right were all refined our head in Adam and and so we are all brothers and sisters from one ultimate great great-great-grandfather and/or equal no matter what our melanin color is a matter what our skin color is, no matter what our gender is. We stand at a level foot of the cross and yet the system had built a system critical race theory has it that if you're a majority person. If you're if you're a white person, you can't repent, you might not want to be racist, but you can't help but exist who you are.

You can't repent of that and it said that your minority status you you don't need to repent your your actions are excused based on your skin color as well that flies in the face of what the Bibles that think so either. The Bible is true or critical race theory is true, but I can't both be true. Now the Southern Baptist convention and in a tremendous mistake. I believe adopted this resolution number nine is that these are helpful analytical tools that added intersection Allie into that which talks about how to determine absolute truth, one who has more intersection points of areas that they are persecuted or areas of their suffering. Their truth means more than someone who's not suffering and so a straight white male is the lowest person on the totem pole. Whatever we we think doesn't matter as much. As someone who perhaps is a female African-American lesbian because that person has three points of intersection. The female gender status in the minority status there.

I believe they consider that African-American will be a minority status.

Lesbian would be a minority status of that person has three statuses back on top of each other, so you must listen more to that person. Truth relative truth there with a t because their experience means that they've had a harder life. They've had a more difficult life, you must take what they believe experience more weight that more heavily than someone who's perhaps a a Protestant white evangelical male that flies in the face of absolute truth. Truth is true regardless of whomever is accepting or denying what God has said is true back not based upon whether or not you believe it or accept it.

Truth is what's true gravity is universal. You can deny it all day long. You're still in a called out to get your headaches true for every body the same way with God's word asked true for everybody, whether or not you believe that whether or not you accept it.

And so in out in an embarrassing moment. We passed a resolution that we think all of these things are useful in doing ministry will no wonder our numbers are continuing to decline. No wonder were not in a unprecedented downward turn. If these are the kind of things were adopted in that same annual meeting there was a debate at the convention debating whether or not women should be ordained as pastors and I was flabbergasted.

Chris butted in that debate went on about half the room felt they should not have to room felt they should. That was kind of a subsequent event that took place in conjunction with the convention but I was I was floored that so many Baptist were actually advocating for the ordination of female pastors. Next, tremendously concerning.

We have a North American Mission Board planting churches all across the country. We continue to find churches that there planting paid for with cooperative program dollars bit that have female pastors on staff and in teaching roles and different things that are in in total contradiction to our statement of faith to the governing document of that entity and of the weight are supposed be planting churches and our pastors keep finding me cases when we find one related to the surface at end of course I felt that was a mistake that shouldn't happen we will correct that we will ask them not to be Southern Baptist any longer. So I suppose in some ways that gets remedied or that gets corrected but were asking the question who's watching the store.

This is the entire entity that employs hundreds of employees. To facilitate these church plant and yet a part-time pastor in Texas is discovering all the things. What are these paid employees paid by the convention doing. It feels like this is a subtle draft a subtle creep in a lot of ways away from the conservative position Southern Baptist have always held those are just a few examples of many many more. But right now we feel like our denomination is heading conservative service network is doing the changes name in organization or individual is give us a call today at 70498422 connected social in a world crowded with viewpoints voice condition after a seven. I believe the financial problems only one voice matters God's at the college of Mid-America and Mid-America seminary. We equip leaders to think from a biblical worldview online for on our Memphis campus. Check out the College of Mid-America and Mid-America Baptist theological and be equipped to light the way. This show is brought to you by generous Joe's coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back to causes you care about. Order your copy today at shop generous Joe' and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget you love or causes you care about time creating a family is not.

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I just heard the best definition of critical race theory that I've ever heard from Dr. Coulter and anecdote of culture you just put it in. In simple terms what we can understand why. Critical race theory is wrong because people cannot be accountable for their sins under critical race theory. There is no forgiveness for the white person under critical, particularly white man under critical race theory, and that is just about what the Bible says it, and will have a shorter segment now, but you were talking about all these things are going all and it happened in the 2019 annual meeting work kind of last minute they pass this resolution to support a series of critical race theory and in and they also had a major push to allow women to be ordained. So what came of that area and quickly. How did the conservative Baptist network come about as a result of that meeting sure thanks Chris, that was a long buildup to answer your question of what is the network here, but all of those factors were coming into play are declining baptisms. Critical race theory women pastors being ordained all of those type things were concerning to so many of us and as I was traveling around and some of my jobs.

I I began to realize the these pastors are sharing these concerns all across the country. They are writing letters that are attending the meeting there doing what they can do but there they are largely being ignored their their questions and their their legitimate concerns are not being answered sufficiently and so they were functionally withdrawing.

They were giving up. They were not going. They were cutting giving beverages functionally pulling back from participating in the convention and and we realize that this is a dangerous dangerous turning point of our denomination and so another man in our gradual convention like I met through some denominational working and visited some with about 2019 angle meeting. Rod Martin, who knew Brad was convention work as well. Serving on various committees.

The three of us met together and began to talk about what would it look like to to simply bring together all these people that shared these ideas into some form of fellowship. Really it started just as a place for encouragement to share like-minded ideas fellowship for good preaching portable good friendship and and just knowing like-minded people in the convention, but in that group came together. We realize we all share the same concerns and just like I shared the beginning. Baptist can do more together than separately. We thought well maybe if we all stand together we can implement some things we can stand for truth. We can stand for the Scripture.

When we have these concerns about the direction our denomination is heading and so we we put our heads together and came with a list of about 50 pastors that we knew all share the same concerns we called them together.

We met around the table in Dallas and met each other pastors from Maryland and from Delaware and from Washington and Florida and Georgia and Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas or even California all across the country that didn't know each other, coming together realize they had the same start to a few meetings we met together in that group ultimately became the conservative that we launched it very quickly was launched on February 14 Valentine's Day. I guess you can pick a better day of 2020 there because we knew that each and every day we were hearing a pastors and churches leaving denomination functionally becoming independent Baptist and and separating from the convention work and the cooperation together. We wanted to give them a place to hold and to work together to have their voice heard at the Fabian, and despite hang on with us.

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Come join us stand with the end together to try and affect change and can keep denomination heading the right direction towards biblical conservative values. We were blown away Chris within the first week we had more than 5000 people sign up representing churches all across the country met with might have a couple hundred 90, 305,000 lined up that very first week, and we realized the issues we were speaking to were really on the pulse where Southern Baptist churches are where Southern Baptist pastors and laypeople are perhaps not the denominational leadership right now but really the heart of what the SBC it is worked were now almost 10,000 people and were asking those churches to come together to elect conservatives to stand for biblical values we say they were for the Bible work permissions work with cultural engagement and work for local churches getting involved in the work of the convention is a kind of our four pillars. The Bible inerrant sufficient missions and evangelism you get back. Focusing on that cultural engagement we need to be standing on the front lines of the of the religious liberty fight for life right in contending for biblical issues in our nation and our denomination and then we need local churches just like yours to get involved to participate in messengers 10 or 11% will get it done. We need our churches to plug-in and to engage the way this really works is by electing a conservative president and so coming up in Anaheim. Tomas goes running.

He got tremendous pastor in Cape Coral, Florida. He believes the Bible is inerrant you believe the patient and he is willing to appoint people to committees that believe. Likewise, and will will trickle down, but the president appointed a committee to appoint a committee that ultimately appoints trustees over these entities and so if you don't like the direction where things are going. That's how the change began shoot you select the president that agrees with you that elect the right kind of officer the right kind of like-minded people and that's how you can begin to change the direction of the southern that was convention running with Tomas goal is Bodie Baucom, a tremendous leader, Southern Baptist missionary in Zambia serving their he's running for president of the pastors conference and he wants to bring back our pastors conference to biblical Baptist expository and evangelistic preaching. We got all kinds of creatures coming in the dark Baptist every year. He wants to get back to Southern Baptist preaching and teaching expositor in God's word. He's running with Dr. Haskell and so Tomas goal Bodie Baucom, a good personal friend of mine how your Chavez is running for the recording secretary position. That's a position perhaps no one's ever heard of that handle some of the behind-the-scenes work at the convention is a tremendous pastor of Hispanic congregation in Gainesville, Georgia, leading with international work international mission has a heart for the Lord is a steadfast conservative and so those are kind of our representatives. This year there will be a Anaheim. I will be traveling all across the country to vote for Dr. Tomas goal. Dr. Bodie Baucom and Dr. Javier Chavez. They have made a commitment to us, to the conservative Baptist to elect those who believe in the inerrancy and the sufficiency of the Bible. Those who will combat critical race theory in her sexuality. Those who will stand on the truth of God's word and conservative biblical values pro-life IPA cultural engagement bites all those type of things that represent us well and so the.

The important part is to get messengers to to turn out to elect those men who can began to steer the convention back in the right direction away from all of these troubling problems that were seeing last year Mike Stone ran ran a tremendous campaign he was attacked he was slandered and misrepresented even hire me to attack him against them just a couple of days before that the boat there that night before actually and he still carried 48% of the boat. He was so close to nearly elected lost by about 300 boat today and flipped he would be the president of the convention right now. We've seen tremendous problems with the man who was elected since then and that has just exacerbated these issues were facing. So were really MS were really contending very closely. I would encourage her listers to become messengers to get involved and to support Dr. Haskell Dr. Baucom and Dr. Chavez in Anaheim this year you mentioned the dates June 14 and 15th pastors conference lecture that Monday there before the election.

They are so June 12 13 1415 pastors conference dates and then that the today business meeting there. We got our website up and running conservative values what people can sign up to join us for our event will have some rally barons information and so if you're interested able to come would love to partner with you and help you along that way heart we can also thank you we run out of time and thanks for being with us. Then we sure appreciate the answer pastors is a you and Anaheim Chase is a Christian perspective more about impacting the culture for Jesus citizens for me as a foundation. This is the Truth Network

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