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Missions and Training Pastors in Third world Countries

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March 21, 2022 5:00 am

Missions and Training Pastors in Third world Countries

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March 21, 2022 5:00 am

Businessman and Missionary, Tal Fogg, talks with Chris Hughes about his mission work around the world and his plan to open a Bible College in the Philippines.


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Whether I have a great online program if you can't go in person, but check out Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary. You'll be glad that you did. Well, welcome to the show. My guest today, we have been friends for many, many years, and today's show is kind of different. A lot of times you that are listeners, I have different political people or seminary professors or whatever it may be. Today I'm going to have someone who has touched my life more than probably just about anybody else I know. He's been such a blessing to me and a true friend for years, and a mentor, because he has such a heart for Jesus. My guest today is the founder of Fogg Christian College and the Fogg Christian Foundation, my dear friend Tao Fogg. Tao, welcome to The Christian Perspective.

Thank you, Chris. It's good to be with you and to talk with you again and also share the good news about how Christ has worked in our lives. Well, it's interesting how God brings people together. We were probably two unlikely guys to come together many, many years ago when I was living in Florida. You live in the panhandle of Florida now, but through a mutual friendship at church and God connected us. Before we dive into everything that you're doing now and some of the mission things you've done, share with our guest what you want to share. You've had a pretty exciting life from being a pilot and entrepreneur and missionary and so many other things.

Tell us a little bit about who Tao Fogg is and what you've done over the years. Well, I grew up in Louisiana, born in Bunky, Louisiana, and at the age of nine years old, I became a Christian. My dad led me to Christ.

He was a deacon in the church in Baton Rouge at Grace Baptist Church. I was nine years old in the third grade at Dufrock Elementary in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I just loved my dad.

He was a hard oil field worker and on Saturdays if I could go in to work with him, I would. So I spent just about every Saturday working with my dad and fishing and hunting. Grew up that way in Louisiana. We moved to Slidell, Louisiana in the early 60's.

Graduated from Slidell High School in 1967 and then I went to a Baptist college. You're old Tao! Let me pick on you for a minute. Goodness, you're an old fella. I was born in the 40's, 19 years old.

You're a baby. Well, just as I was saying, I grew up in Louisiana. We always came to Fort Walton Beach for vacation. This area in the panhandle of Florida is just a beautiful white sandy beaches and we always came here for a week to ten days every year, I think, of my life growing up.

In fact, it wasn't too far at Cinco Bayou here in Florida in Fort Walton and not too far from there is Cinco Baptist Church. You and I have both been members there for a long time and that's how you and I got to know one another. It's just amazing how, looking back Chris, how God has put our lives together and the people that He puts in each one of our lives for a very specific reason. What we do with that relationship is what we're responsible for, just like we're responsible for our relationship with Jesus. It's something that can be very personal and I think that's the way Jesus wants it. He wants us to have that good relationship, not only with Him but with other Christian friends.

Chris, I just want to say thank you for our relationship that you and I have had. It has led to new beginnings and it has made both of us even more aware, I think, of what God wants to do in our lives. All that being said has brought us both together at Cinco Baptist Church. I'm involved there with the men's ministry, always looking at Cinco as my foundation, my basis.

This brother, Pastor Mickey Hawkins, has just been a wonderful inspiration to me and in 2010 he asked me to go on a mission trip with him to Niger, Africa. I had already retired from the Air Force and I had retired from a job I had as a government contractor flying DC-10s after I flew with Delta Airlines. In 2010 that was kind of the big change. I was through with really working and my schedule had always taken me away from family and friends and I didn't have that good of a constant church relationship because of the scheduling.

When you fly as a pilot you're usually working every week for three or four days and you're gone. It's just hard to have, even a family relationship, it was hard to have. I got more involved in the church and with the family and it was just amazing. We'll get into that. Can I back up a little bit with you Tal? You said something that I didn't know about you but I think it's very important, maybe we can take a minute and talk about it, but you mentioned how your father led you to Jesus. That is so important. I know we have women listeners too but for those of you that are men that are listening right now, I just want to charge you that God has given you the responsibility to be the spiritual influence in the lives of not only your wife but your children as well. If we don't tell people about Jesus, particularly our own kids, then who's going to do that? We tell our kids every day we love them and we care about them, but if we're not telling them how to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, how they can avoid spending an eternity in hell one day, do we really love them? I think you would agree with us Tal, the greatest way to show our child or anybody else that we love them is to share the good news of Jesus Christ with them. I have not heard that your dad led you to Jesus but I think that's a challenge to all the men listening to the show today that we all need to tell our families about the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

Would you agree? I would definitely agree with that but getting into that and you being that person in someone's life is so rewarding and for you to pour yourself into someone else's life and to go back to those good times. I go back to the times with my dad and they're just so enjoyable. He died in 1999 on April 3rd right here in Fort Walton Beach. He had come to visit me for my son's 10th birthday and he never left. And where he did lead, I'm going to be with him one day and it's just going to be wonderful. But he came here on a mission, on a trip of love for the family and I'll always remember that.

I just enjoyed my time with him and like I said, he died a long time ago but it's like every day I think about him. Well as parents we need to just realize the internal impact that we really have on our kids and again we do need to tell them about Jesus. If you're listening today it's kind of a little different show. It's kind of a down home show because I'm having one of my dear friends here today and we're just going to talk about missions and what God's done in our lives and a big program that my guest Hal Fogg has coming up where he is the founder of Fogg Christian College and the chairman of the Fogg Christian Foundation. We're going to tell you later on, we're talking about missions first.

I'm going to kind of drag you out and give you a little teaser but we're eventually going to tell you what he's doing in the Philippines and how you can be involved and be of help. So we're going to take this commercial break. I want you to stick around because we're going to be right back with more of The Christian Perspective and my good friend Hal Fogg. This show is brought to you by Generous Joe's. The coffee company with the Christian perspective.

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For a free transcript, call American Minute at 1-888-USA-WORD. Welcome back to The Christian Perspective. This is Chris Hughes. My guest today is a dear friend of mine for so many years.

We're getting to be old guys and showing our A's today. But my friend today and my guest is Tao Fogg. Tao grew up in Louisiana and, boy, I don't think that ever really left you, Tao. You still like to go to football games, I think, over there. Is LSU a blood or is your blood purple? Are you a die-hard fan of LSU?

Oh, purple and gold. We go back to the days when there were the Chinese bandits in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And I lived there for a good number of years. I have a very dear cousin, Scott, and his wife, Espy, and they invite me every year. Scott and Espy have been such a blessing on my life.

They're very good Christians. Scott's always been a mentor to me, 10 years older than me, and he's always been in my life. So I've really enjoyed that relationship that God has put in my life. Well, we've got a connection to LSU. My wife, Vicki, got her doctorate at LSU. And my daughter, Holman, has been accepted to LSU's medical school to start, I think this summer, they start up medical school.

So maybe we'll bump into each other at some of the football games. Well, Tao, during our first segment you were kind of sharing your testimony and how your dad led you to Christ. And you joined the Air Force and became a pilot. What did you fly in the Air Force? What kind of plane did you fly there?

Oh, this goes way back, Chris. This was a Century Series fighter. I mainly flew the F-101, nicknamed the Voodoo. At one time it was the fastest plane in the world, set world speed records. So it was a fun time flying fighters. So when you were flying those, I know towards the end of your career you were flying giant, I don't know if the term is cargo jets, but you were doing troop movements and that kind of thing to the Middle East. Was it difficult to transition from the jet, the fighter jet, to a big plane like that?

Well, we have an old saying in pilot, you keep the blue side up and you fly by the seat of your pants. It really wasn't that much of a transition, but of course there was a learning curve and what I found out is as you get older in life, you have to study a little bit harder. So it was a learning curve that I had to jump back on, but it wasn't that hard. Well, through that career, and I guess it was the Air Force, I mean you mentioned that your family visited Fort Walton Beach, Florida, which is home to Eglin Air Force Base, which at one time it may still be the largest Air Force Base in the world. And Hurlburt Field is there as well, which is in Fort Walton Beach area, Destin area, and the Panhandle of Florida. Were you stationed there and is that how you ended your career there? When I was flying for the Texas Air National Guard, we came here on assignment for what they call the William Tell competition. It was an air-to-air type competition that the Air Force had. Is that kind of like the Navy's top gun? Exactly.

It's like that, of course it's not. Speaking of the Navy, you talk about Eglin and Hurlburt, we also have Pensacola Naval Air Station just 40 miles from here. And I would recommend anybody that comes in this area to visit the bases. They all have museums.

The Armament Museum is right here. We were talking about how you ended up in Fort Walton Beach, and it's there in Fort Walton Beach, and now we're going to kind of get to the beat of what we want to talk about today as missions. In Fort Walton Beach, you started attending a church in that area called Cinco Baptist Church, which is named after a body of water.

They're really right next to the church property. And it was through Cinco where your children were going to church, and you mentioned earlier how you traveled a lot with the military. And then as a pilot, it was hard for you sometimes to get involved as much as you would like in a church. And really, Cinco, it was probably the first time you really had a strong church family, right?

That's exactly right. And bringing the kids up in a Christian home, a Christian household is just so important to have Christian relationships with friends and family. And I've had such a good relationship with Pastor Mickey Hawkins there and the men's ministry. I've been very involved in the men's ministry there. It's the backbone of really, I think, of any church, is how the men react with other people, how they're in charge of certain aspects of the church activities. We have a Love Loud program at Cinco where we go out and help elderly people or really anyone in need. And during the holidays we're all the time feeding the hungry and helping.

It's just a wonderful church. And I have, Brother Mickey has got me involved in missions in 2010. And that's really when I made the choice to start working and really just paying back for all the family life that I missed. I wanted to have a better relationship with my Christian friends and also a better relationship with the family at that time. So you mentioned you went on your first trip in 2010, Tal. What was it that made you want to go?

I think you said that was somewhere in Africa. Was there just like a burning passion or just some of your buddies were going? So for those that are listening, what was it that got you interested that might interest them in going on a mission trip?

One of my very best friends, Dr. Nathan Pivison and his wife Dorothy, they were members of Cinco. And Nathan was at a point in his career, he was an Air Force surgeon, and we were just very good friends. And we talked about the Air Force had offered him a highly lucrative amount of money in order to stay on. But he felt like God was calling him to missions. He knew that God had called him to missions. And so he gave up his Air Force career and he and his wife and his daughters, they got involved with the North American Mission Board and the International Mission Board and dedicated their lives, went ahead and got out of the Air Force and dedicated their lives to becoming a family, a missionary family.

So this was something that I wanted to talk a little bit about because here was a man who had his whole career in front of him and he was ready to go with that career and it was all planned out for him, but God had something else planned for him. And it just influenced my life so much that I ended up visiting them later on in my missionary work, my part-time missionary work, that I ended up going to Bangladesh where they ended up being assigned and visiting them in Bangladesh. In the interim, in 2010, I went on a trip to Niger, Africa with Nathan and the church group to Matame, Niger. And we stayed there and witnessed to the people and just had so many good things happen there. You know, you go back in your history and your memories and you start thinking about when God really took hold of you and showed you that, hey, I'm in control.

Don't you be in control. And I learned how to pray like God was in control. And it just really helped me during that period from 2010 to 2014, I made four trips to Niger and witnessing to those people and really got into missions and how the indigenous people that are there are the very best way to go for our missions is to use indigenous pastors and it's just so important that if we can train up people that are already there in these areas, then we can get a closer relationship not only with the pastors and the people that are there that want to work for the Lord, but we can get a better relationship in our lives too with the Lord.

You mentioned that you went there four times, which I didn't realize that, but that's so important. I'm going to back up just a second and just assume that maybe some of our listeners are not familiar with missions and how they work. There are people who are full-time missionaries like your friend the doctor and his family, that's their profession. They do it full-time and there's various ways. You're a member of a Southern Baptist church, Tal, and the Southern Baptist denomination is the largest Protestant denomination in the world and the largest center of missionaries really in the history of the church and in the history of the world as a whole.

And they have two organizations, you mentioned them, that your friends worked with both of them. One is called the North American Mission Board, which is an organization that sends full-time missionaries in North America. So maybe if our listeners are hearing the show and you don't know much about, but maybe God's called you into full-time ministry work, you don't have to be a Southern Baptist to be a missionary, there are a lot of great missions organizations out there, but the North American Mission Board is one of the few where you're actually an employee, meaning they pay you. It's not much, I guarantee you, you're not going to get rich being a missionary, but the North American Mission Board sends people in the North America, and then they have another organization called the International Mission Board, which is the missions organization your friends are with now, where they send missionaries literally all over the world and you don't have to be a preacher, this man was a doctor, there are people who are educators, there are people who are coaches that teach athletics, there's not a career field that you're in. You cannot take the skills that God has given you to be used by Him to reach people around the world.

Tower, we're going to have to take another commercial break. When we get back, we're going to dig in to more of what you did in Africa, and talk really a lot about the indigenous aspect that you listen to, how God can use indigenous people probably best to reach His people with the gospel. So y'all stick around, we'll be right back, we're talking about missions today, we're going to find out how you can get involved with Bob Christian College and the Bob Christian Foundation to educate pastors in the Philippines, we'll be right back. The United States of America has a strong Christian heritage, but most Americans don't know the truly important role that God in the Bible played in the founding of this great nation. This June, join nationally syndicated radio host and founder of the Citizens for America Foundation, Dr. Chris Hughes, for four amazing days in our nation's capital. With Chris, you'll embark on a journey of discovering the hidden secrets of Washington, D.C. and rediscover much of America's forgotten Christian heritage. Your tour will include an up-close and personal look at the nation's establishment and how it's evolved over the centuries. Learn about the government and the men who helped forge this new kind of republic, one that acknowledged the Creator from its very inception.

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So Cal, something I really like that you said in the last segment is you told us you went to, like you said, Niger, you went four times. And that is so important I think for us as churches and as people who go on mission trips to build a long-term relationship with a people group on mission trips instead of just showing up one time and then never coming back. Did you see that that relationship helped you have the ability to share the gospel when you kept going back? Oh yes, and not only sharing with the people there but also sharing with other people that God puts in your life. When you make a commitment that you're going to do what God wants you to do when you finally say, God you put people in my life and I will recognize that and I will understand what you're doing in my life and I will do my very best to see what your will is in my life.

And the reason why I say that is because in fact I was helping you out during that period Chris with Salvation Ministries, I had gone out to Hawaii to see you while you were out there and we went to a school, I think it was during Christmas time and we were mentoring kids and helping them out. And it's just one of those things where you get to talk about other things in your life and God puts it all together. You finally see a connecting of the dots of what God has brought you through in order to do this. God doesn't leave us out there and say, hey I throw you out in the middle of Africa in the desert and you have no place to go, you don't know how you get there, you don't know how you God takes care of those things.

And I think they're tests of faith that once you make that commitment and you say, God you're in control I'm not and I'm going to do my very best at what you have me to do. And if it doesn't work out then you be like Paul, you dust off your sandals and you move on. Speaking of dusting off the sandals, we were on one of our trips to Niger where we had been taken out into the villages, into the desert and we had to walk just from village to village. And we had asked some people along the road where was the next village and they called it Dere. And we said, well what does Dere mean?

And Dere meant darkness or shaded spot. And so here we were out in the middle of nowhere and we're going into the darkness, we're going to darkness which we all kind of looked at one another and it kind of stared at one another and said, hey this is where God has us so this is where we're going to go. And it's moving, especially when you can go back and say that you did what God wanted you to do. It keeps you going, it keeps you going through not only up on the mountain tops but down in the valleys.

And God works with you. So Tal, what are some of the other foreign countries that you've been on mission trips? In 2014 there was Brother Mickey at Cinco Baptist Church, had me talk with George Jolly. He was a deacon there and George wanted to go on a mission trip. And George had been talking with the Southern Baptist Convention and he had got in contact with some pastors in southeastern India.

And he was buying them Bibles and sending it to them and he had a relationship. Well George wanted to go and so we had planned a trip, it took us about 18 months really to plan it and to get everything together that we could go on this trip. Well this was around the last trip that I had going to Africa and you always have to go in and get a checkup before you go to get your malaria meds and things like that when you go to these third world countries. And on my last trip to Africa I had gone in to get my checkup and the doctor said, how are you feeling? I said, I'm feeling fine, I have some swelling in my neck here. And she said, well let's look at it.

And anyway, to make a long story short, she wanted to take a biopsy. And I was leaving on the trip that Monday and this was like a Thursday and we couldn't schedule it before I left on my trip to go to Africa. And she told me, she says, I would not go on this mission trip. And I told her, I said, no I'm going. If I don't go on this mission trip then that keeps my friend George from going on it.

And we planned it for 18 months. And I told her, I said, no I'm just going to put it in God's hands and I'll see you when I get back. So when we came back from this mission trip to India, which really changed my life. And being with another, I know how Paul felt when he and Barnabas traveled together. And that was the way George and I traveled together. We just encouraged one another and we went as men on a mission and it just worked out so well that when I came back they did the biopsy and it was stage 4 throat cancer.

I went ahead and had the operation and thank the Lord that that was over 7 years ago and I've been cancer free ever since. And I praise the Lord for that because God used you to reach so many people for Jesus and you just had a tremendous impact in my life as well. And that's not the only thing you've done, you're being humble here, wasn't on a trip, but you've played a major part in building two orphanages in India and training hundreds of pastors and helping other ways.

When you couldn't physically go you found a way both prayerfully and financially to help out and continue your missions. So when you're feeling better, so you've been to Africa several times, you've been to India, did you go to Israel is that right one time? Yes, that was on one of our trips and it was the one in 2010 and we ended up going to Israel and that's something that I would recommend. I think that you're planning a trip to Israel here pretty soon. In fact I'm leaving the 1st of April and we'll be gone to Israel for a month and we'll be going over there for Passover. I've never been to a Passover in Israel but I'll be staying with some friends there in Israel and that's going to be very interesting. I've been praying a long time for this trip. My Israeli friends have been over here four or five times and stayed at my house and so they have been begging me to come to Israel so I can't wait. I would recommend anyone if they get a chance to go to Israel.

It is a life-changing experience Tal. You know this because you've been there and yes we're taking a group, you can go to and on December 26th of this year we'll be taking a trip for nine days to Israel. We tried to plan it purposely over the Christmas break where you can spend Christmas day with your family and then take your family. We're hoping families will go.

We did it when school was out so families could go together. Tal for me as a preacher and evangelist, it should be life-changing for any Christian but it changed the way I preached. It helped me understand things culturally and geographically that I just, even going to Bible college and seminary and all that, I didn't understand.

It really is and you know this, you and I can tell them but until they go they won't understand. It really changes everything when you've been there walking in the footsteps of Jesus. I want to transition Tal to what we have done together and what you are now leading an effort to do specifically in the Philippines. I have a ministry which I don't talk about hardly ever on this show called Salvation Ministries and we've been going for more than 20 years now. We do a lot of evangelism, revivals, crusades and we've done a lot of disaster relief work. So not only have you worked out in foreign countries but you've been very active with Salvation Ministries in the United States.

When hurricanes or tornadoes have ravaged areas we've gone and we have a mutual friend Ed Klink who kind of heads up disaster relief cooking for this ministry and we've done a lot of work over the years with disaster relief work and then as you mentioned you've been with me to Hawaii where we've had for several years ministry work in partnership with Pastor Harlan Nakasani to reach some people groups from the islands of Micronesia which I had never heard of Tal, in the Pacific and these islands where nuclear testing was done and a lot of these people have cancer so they've moved to the Hawaiian islands to get medical treatment and you were very active with us there in mentoring and tutoring these Chuukese children when English was their second language and helping them through school and that ministry even continues today and it's from our work in Tal in Hawaii that we really began to love the people of the Philippines and people don't realize this but Hawaii is, I mean it really is like another country, I mean they are part of the United States but there are a lot of people there from all over the world and the largest people group in Hawaii is not Hawaiians but it's Filipinos I was shocked to learn that Tal, maybe you knew it but that was shocking to me when I learned of all the large population of Filipinos in Hawaii and it was through that that we began to reach out to the Filipino people and starting in 2012 on a first mission trip to the Philippines so when we come back we're going to really jump back into what Tal is doing now with starting a Christian college, a FOD Christian college in the northwestern part of the Philippines so stick around we'll be right back with more Christian perspectives. A brand is a design, name, symbol or any other feature that sets an organization or individual apart. Bringing that brand to life can be difficult but Diggs Design is here to help you take that next step or re-energize your current situation We can handle logos, social media graphics, cards, weddings, clothings, prints, photo editing and much more.

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I'm Chris Hughes. My guest today is a dear friend who has such a heart for the Lord, Tal Fogg. Tal, thank you so much for being here with me today and sharing his encouragement to people to get involved in missions. You don't have to be a full time missionary although really every Christian is called to be a missionary.

One of the primary responsibilities of every Christian is to tell other people about Jesus. But we now want to focus in on what Tal is doing now. As I mentioned 2012 with my ministry, Salvation Ministries, I started doing a lot of work in the Philippines and Tal mentioned how when he was in Africa he understood the importance of working with indigenous people. Now it's great to send missionaries, don't twist what I'm saying, it's great for people to be missionaries or to send missionaries or help send missionaries to third world countries but there's nothing like being able to help someone who looks like them, has the same skin color, speaks the same language and all that to work within their nation to tell other people about Jesus. Tal and I began a few years ago going to the Philippines. We started doing revivals and we did crusades, we did vacation Bible schools and really developed a heart for people of the Philippines.

Tal, was it 2015, in the fall of 2015 when you went with me over there, is that correct? And Tal really had a burden for reaching pastors and I hope I don't embarrass you by saying this Tal, but Tal through his work with Dr. Mickey Hawkins and Cinco Baptist Church and really the men's ministry there, they have been providing Bibles for pastors in the Philippines. We take for granted, I don't even know how many Bibles I have in my house Tal, you're probably the same, and most of us don't touch half of them half the time. But then there are people around the world who are starving for the Gospel, starving to learn more about Jesus and there are pastors both where we've done work in India and in the Philippines who don't have a Bible at all, literally in India.

You might get two or three chapters of a Bible ripped out and handed to you and for this month you preach from those few pages and that rotates around to different pastors because people didn't even have a Bible. And so Tal and his ministry work and men's group there at Cinco Baptist Church began to provide Bibles for these pastors and we realized there was a need to help these pastors reach the laws for Jesus and so Tal stepped up and really encouraged me that we needed to find a way to start planting, which is a church word, planting churches in the Philippines, specifically in an area called a locos mortes. Previously really had not much of a church presence and we began doing work there so you want to share a little bit?

Sure do. Speaking of those Bibles, I have one of them right here next to me. These pastors have used these Bibles that we gave them so much that some of them have even had to have them rebound through the ministry that Salvation Ministries started in the Philippines and got to know not only the pastors but their wives and their family and we've kept in contact with them and some of them have had children, some of them even left the Philippines and have gone to Saudi Arabia and have formed churches.

So God is working in this relationship that each one of us has with the people that He puts in our lives. Getting back to what the Fogg Christian Foundation is supporting, we are a money raising foundation here in the United States to support building a Fogg Christian College, a place where not only the pastors but their Christian churches, their Christian families can get on the internet and take courses that are being generated here in the United States in English for those pastors where hopefully the Fogg Christian College in the Philippines will be able to grant them a degree. And it will give the pastors credentials to where they will feel like they have not only the support of their church families but they have support of well-meaning, giving, loving donors here in the United States that want to support their ministry. And believe me, you make investment in stock and bonds and you buy gold and silver as an investment but let me tell you, the investment that people are taking and supporting these pastors that they have won thousands, I mean I would say upwards of a thousand converts a year for these churches to do.

It's just unheard of. And it's through their indigenous relationship with their churches that they're able to do this. And these are loving, giving, loving, hardworking.

The Filipino people are more hardworking than I've ever seen anybody all over the world. And they love the Lord, they care about the Lord, and they put Him as a focus point of their lives. And I feel privileged to be able to support them and to help them through Salvation Ministries, through Fogg Christian Church, through the foundation here in the United States. It's just something that I know God has really blessed us and blessed our work.

And Tal that's exactly right. We started this work in the Philippines as you said, that first trip that you went with me was in the fall of 2015. And folks what we did is we identified 18 pastors that we wanted to try to support through giving them study Bibles and financially help them in the work that they're doing to start churches in the Philippines. So in January of 2016 we started supporting these 18 young men in the ministry work that they were doing in the Philippines. And as Tal said, think of your church. When's the last time you saw somebody walk the aisle and confess Jesus the Lord of their life? When's the last time somebody was baptized in your church? We're not reaching people for loss like we need to do in the United States, but these pastors in the Philippines are sold out for Jesus.

And it started with the original 18. We've now got 36 pastors that we've partnered with in the Philippines and as Tal said, at least one of them has gone on to the Middle East and started a church there. And believe it or not Tal, and you know this, one of them went to Baltimore, there's a huge population of Filipinos in the Baltimore area and started a Filipino church in Baltimore a couple years ago. So over 6,000 people have come to know the Lord Jesus Christ.

This work is vital. And Tal just called me one day and said the Lord had put a burden on his heart to try to train more pastors, preachers, and wanted to start a Christian college in the Philippines. And so in August of 2022 will be the launching first class of the inaugural class of Fogg Christian College in the Philippines where this first year will be young men who are committing to go into the full-time Christian ministry but eventually others will be accepted in the program too to try to raise up a next generation of Christian leaders in the Philippines. What we're doing today and the reason I had Tal come on here is to tell you about the ministry that God's placed on his heart to start Fogg Christian College and again starting this August. And it's going to take money to provide, we're going to start with an online curriculum this fall where these pastors, these young men who were committed and surrendered to the call to be pastors can begin to study and we're partnering with some other professors and with some colleges and seminaries here in the United States to provide a world class online curriculum to these young men who will begin their four year degree at Fogg Christian College to start off online and we're going to have a facility we already have in the Philippines where they can get strong internet connection and come and study and have access to a pastor's library but we're going to have to purchase laptops for these young men and cell service and we want them to be able to commit to go to school full time and not have to worry about raising their families.

So we're looking for people to help us support in this venture. And so not only did Tal start Fogg Christian College but he has a team that's helped him start something called the Fogg Christian Foundation where you can go and make donations to help support the ministry. Tal can you tell the website address for Fogg Christian Foundation? Yes it is and on that website you'll be able to go to one of the points for donations but go to the gallery. If you go to the gallery you will see hundreds of pictures of what's going on in the Philippines and how these pastors are baptizing, how they're witnessing to their churches and really you'll get a glimpse of what their pastoral life is like. But it is And I've never seen anybody more on fire for Jesus and these men who are pastoring these churches and I know you're the same Tal in the Philippines and we want to make sure that they have the educational tools to move forward and that's why Tal started Fogg Christian College and again we want you to be able to help us out.

It doesn't take much. Five or ten dollars a month in a third world country it makes a huge huge difference. For my family we can support an entire family in the Philippines for a month for less than my family will spend at McDonald's.

The dollar goes a long ways in these third world countries and just one meal a month can literally support a family in the Philippines. So go to Tal thank you so much for coming on today with us and sharing how God is using you. Well it's been a blessing Chris and it always is a blessing. Whenever you can find a Christian friend to pour your life into and to be able to be honest and straightforward with it's just a blessing that Jesus gives to Christian friends. And thank you for being my friend Chris.

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