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We have another great show for you today about a topic that is just near and dear to my heart and that is the pro-life movement and saving the lives of unborn babies. We're so honored to come to you today like we do every day from the campus of Mid-America College and Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary in beautiful Memphis, Tennessee. If you're looking for a place to go to college, I would encourage you particularly if you want to go to a Christian college where you will develop a biblical world view which is what we hope that you will do by listening to this show. You'll check out Mid-America College and maybe you're thinking about becoming a missionary or a pastor or just want to learn more about God's Word and it doesn't matter y'all if you are 80 years old.
It's never too late to learn more about God's Word and there's a lot of great online programs so I encourage you to also check out Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary. And of course just like every day, I want to thank the Citizens for America Foundation for sponsoring this program and making it possible for you to come in to your radio or if you're listening on the podcast later in the day where we can help you develop a biblical world view so you can know what the Bible says, know what you believe and why you believe it and then take that information and then not just take it into school or work or wherever you may go but we want to encourage you also to engage in the arena of public policy and politics and help us elect godly men and women to public office who will write and vote for and implement laws that can help us impact the culture for Jesus. Well my guest today is someone I just learned about a week ago and I heard all the amazing things that she was doing for the pro-life movement and I wanted her to come on here today because she's really making an impact around the country. She's educating people on the issue of pro-life and I think she's still in college.
She's definitely a lot younger than me which tells us any of us can be used by God in a mighty mighty way. But my guest today is Grace Ricocheski. If I didn't butcher your last name there Grace, I want to welcome the Christian perspective. Thank you for being here with us today. Oh yeah, you got it right. Thank you so much for having me.
Woo! I've been worried about that Grace ever since we booked you. You said I would pronounce your name right so thank you so much. I'm glad you helped me out with that.
No, yeah, it does not look like it sounds. Well Grace, I want you to take a minute. We are going to take a lot of time today to talk about the pro-life movement and the great work you're doing. But before you do that, can you just share with our listeners a little bit about who you are, what's going on in your life, what do you do and tell us all about you. So my name is Grace Ricocheski.
I grew up in New Jersey and I am a college student here as well. I grew up in a very strong Christian family and I became a Christian when I was only three and I was baptized at seven. So it's been a long ride but a really amazing one. Well Grace, let me interrupt you there before you share more about your life because I don't know this about you and you've never told me and I didn't know about your early conversion until just now. But I imagine there's probably been people in your life that have questioned you because of getting saved at an early age. Has that probably happened to you? Yeah, all the time. There have been a bunch of Christians.
Isn't that frustrating? I was young as well when I came to know Jesus. My mom led me to the Lord at a very young age and I got baptized at an early age much like you.
But let me share somebody with you. I don't know if you know this, so when the next time, and for all of our listeners. Sure, sometimes kids may not be old enough to understand. Grace is pretty smart, I can tell already, so I know that she had a comprehension of what was happening in her life. But Grace, I don't know, so I'm showing my age here and I don't know if you're familiar with a man named Dr. James Dobson who was the founder of Focus on the Family. But Dr. Dobson was only three years old when he got saved. And so next time somebody picks on you, you just let them know that another great example of that happening is James Dobson had very few people have impacted the culture or led more people to Jesus than James Dobson. So don't let them discourage you, I'm sorry, I just had to throw that in there because I've lived in that too where people are like, well you were too young. I have no doubt in my life that my heart has been changed by Jesus Christ and I serve him as my Lord and Savior and I have no doubt, and I know you have no doubt, where you and I are going to spend eternity. I'm sorry, I started preaching there. Okay, so I interrupted you at seven years old, you're a college student in New Jersey, tell us more about your life. So I was homeschooled when I was in middle school which was really incredible to get to spend that time closely with my parents, getting a really good grounding on where I stood spiritually and politically.
That was just really formational for me. And then when I was in high school, I was actually a senior in high school when I felt God putting the pro-life movement specifically on my heart. I was actually sitting in church one day and my church was, they were doing a fundraiser for Faith Historic, I'm not sure if you're familiar with. Yeah, they're a great organization.
Yeah, they're fantastic. So my church was fundraising for them and I just totally felt God rock my world and really say to me that there are a lot of important issues but this is the one that he wanted me to focus on. So after that, I looked into where I could volunteer and I started volunteering at a pregnancy center.
I got involved with Students for Life after that and the rest is kind of in history. So Grace, if I can interrupt you there. If you don't mind, I'm not trying to embarrass you. What denomination are you? I go to a non-denominational church.
Okay, so I just want to point out, I'm going to step on some toes here. One, I want to commend your pastor and the leadership in your church and your parents. Something that I'm sure you, I don't know if you were at the March for Life, were you at the March for Life in January?
Yes, sir. I was there and something that really struck me, okay, so I'm a Southern Baptist and a large portion of the people that were present at the March for Life were Catholics and I am thankful for our Catholic brothers and sisters who take a stand on this very important issue. But I got to tell you, Grace, I was embarrassed because there were not many Protestants in the big scheme of things. I mean, there were some there.
I'm not saying there, I mean, certainly you and I were there, you know, if nobody else was there. But even the guest speakers and the national leaders from other evangelical denominations were not really present like I thought they should be. So I am so proud of your pastor taking a stand on this very important issue and, you know, again, I'm going to step on toes. I might make some of you mad, but some of you other pastors, Protestant pastors, the Catholic Church has done a phenomenal job on the issue of life, but it is time for the rest of us to stand up and be heard when it comes to protecting the lives of unborn babies across the country. Well, Grace, you mentioned that you're involved now and I just got to tell you, I'm shocked from New Jersey.
I mean, in my mind, I thought, wow, New Jersey's not really that conservative of a state and you've really come out of there in a great way. You mentioned you're involved with a group, I think you called it Students for Life. Can you tell our listeners what Students for Life is?
Yeah, they're really fantastic. They've been around for a while, so they just thought that there was a huge gap where students weren't really able to get involved in the Pro-Life movement. It was all people who were older, were able to participate in more of those events. They were able to donate to these organizations, but younger people weren't really able to get involved. So Students for Life, they started initially by mostly being just clubs on college campuses and high schools as well, where students would just, you know, they would educate their peers about abortion and they would get together and support each other.
So they've just been really incredible in that way. And not too long ago, they also started leadership programs, which was how I really got involved in the Pro-Life movement, where students can apply for these leadership programs. They're partnered with a mentor.
They have calls every other week or once a month, depending on which fellowship or leadership program you are in. And then they work to do a project as well that would impact their community. So it's just really incredible what they've done, you know, just building up this Pro-Life generation. Parents that are listening or grandparents, or maybe you're a high school or college student and you're thinking, man, I'm going to college and it's going to be maybe enemy territory at the school that I'm going to, and I would love to find like-minded people on campus. Well, as Grace says, Students for Life is a wonderful organization. It's really youth-driven and they have, they call them chapters, but it's really like a club. So they have chapters on college campuses all across the country. Again, it's called Students for Life, and you can go to their website and learn more about them. And if you don't have a chapter on your campus, I bet Grace could help get you connected, or you could also contact the Leadership Institute, that's leadershipinstitute.org.
They help start chapters for Students for Life and other conservative and Christian organizations across the country. You really need to have one on your campus. So what year are you in college right now, Grace?
I'm a junior. Tell me, I've got two students in college right now, and it really is in many ways enemy territory for Christian and conservative students on campus. But particularly, if you dare say that abortion is wrong, I don't know if you've seen this when you go to school, my kids have both seen it. I mean, it's very negative, not just from students, but from professors and others when it comes to the pro-life movement. Have you seen that in your school and where you work in other campuses?
Yeah. My school is very liberal. It's extremely hostile to anyone who is pro-life, conservative, or Christian especially. One of the things that has shocked me the most is I saw that it was my conservative views that was going to get me in hot water with my peers there, but it actually has been my traditional Christian views that they've been most upset by. But it's definitely ruffled some feathers, especially in New Jersey, but I think on most college campuses now, unfortunately.
Yeah. It's not just New Jersey. With our organization, Citizens for America, we have chapters we're starting across the country for our sister organization called Students for America. That's Students for America, and we're trying to create a home for conservative Christian students that want to engage in the political process. Just like Students for Life is geared towards students who want to get involved in the pro-life movement.
It's vicious, but what scares them, like you said, it's not just that you're conservative, but when you're a Christian they are terrified. Because we live in a society today, particularly on college campuses, where they teach there's no such thing as truth. And of course that's not true. Grace as Christians, we know that God's word is founded in truth and Jesus himself said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. And so when you as a college student stand up in a classroom or on campus and say, that is not true, there is a clear black and white. It's not just how I feel about something, because you've read God's word and you know the truth.
That scares them to death. Well Grace, we're going to have to take a quick commercial break. When we get back, we're going to jump into the topic today of what's going to happen if there is a post-Roe America. So folks, stick around, we're going to be right back and we're going to really dig into the pro-life movement and talk about what's happening in our country today.
It's an exciting time to be alive as Americans, particularly if you're pro-life opponents. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.
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And there have been a few smaller cases, but really probably the biggest case to come before the United States Supreme Court, because a lot of times the court would hear it, was in early December of this past year, and it's called the Dobbs case. And it was based on legislation that came out of Mississippi, and Grace might correct me here, that I think basically said that a child was determined to be a living creature. I think it was at 12 weeks, if I remember. Is that correct, Grace? Was it 12 weeks? Pardon? 15. 15. Okay, I got that wrong.
I was hoping for 12, but at 15 weeks. And so a miracle happened, and the Supreme Court decided to hear the case. Now, I want to tell you that elections matter. Part of the reason the Supreme Court decided to hear it is President Trump, and whether you like him or not, this was the defining issue for many people when he was running for president. I'll be honest, I was not a fan of President Trump early on in his candidacy in the primary. But then after he won the primary, he started meeting with Christian leaders, and I had the privilege to be in a lot of conversations with President Trump, and soon realized that he was saying that abortion was going to be the litmus test for making nominees to the United States Supreme Court. And he literally, Grace, and I know you know this, he appointed not just the Supreme Court, but many federal judicial seats that have a lifetime appointment. It was well over 100 that got appointed to these positions that he nominated for that position, and are now pro-life candidates, and he would come to, like Citizens for America and other Christian groups, Family Research Council, focus on the family and ask for recommendations of judges and justices to potentially fill these seats.
And shockingly, again, I was a big skeptic, Grace, shockingly, he took our recommendations, and he nominated the people that we recommended. And he had the unique opportunity to place three justices on the United States Supreme Court, so even though he was no longer in office when this case came up, they agreed to hear it last year. And I don't know if you were there that day, Grace, but the oral arguments were presented, so basically a case is presented before the Supreme Court, and then they'll take several months to consider what their decision is going to be based on. In this case, they're trying to decide whether or not that law can stand in Mississippi, and what really is happening, the national significance of this, and they probably will not give their decision until June, I imagine, of this year, so a few more months away.
So they're contemplating studying the law, trying to make their decision right now, and I think we'll probably know an answer by mid-June, I hope at the latest. But when we talk about post-Roe America, what we're basically saying is, for the first time since 1973, we could have a Supreme Court that might say, you know, we made a mistake early on in our decision, and this is not a United States constitutional issue, this is an issue that is up to the state, and they're going to return that issue back to the states to decide when and how and if abortions can occur. Is that a good summary of what's happening here, Grace?
Yeah, that's a fantastic summary. So, you know, this is why it's important for us to be praying, that's why it was important for Grace and so many others, just tens of thousands, to be in D.C. for the March for Life, because we want the press, although they don't really pay attention like we want them to, but members of Congress and the Supreme Court were there, we ended the march that day on the steps of the Supreme Court, and we want them to know that this is an important issue to the people of America. So, Grace, I talk about it a little bit, but really tell us, what does it mean to have a post-Roe America? So, a lot of people think that once Roe is reversed, that means that we've won, and we, you know, I'll go back home, but the important thing that I really want people to get out of this, if they get one thing, I want them to know that this is when the fight really begins, right?
So, we basically had our hands tied all the time where we weren't able to make any substantial legislation on the state level to ban abortion, but when Roe v. Wade is reversed, it doesn't make abortion illegal in America, necessarily, it just makes it so that it's up to the individual states. That's really when we're going to need all the boots on the ground fighting for pro-life legislation in our state. And Grace, that's why the elections, you know, and I stress this about every day on the show, why elections are so important. I don't know if you've heard the statistic, Grace, but it is estimated that there are 40 million evangelical Christians in the United States that are not, that are eligible to vote, but are not even registered to vote.
And that's just a disgrace. We would never lose an election if we would engage in the political process and united as a Christian body and elect godly men and women to public office. But what you're saying, Grace, is that this is now going to become a state issue, and that's why these races now, state legislative races, I'm not saying they weren't important before, but they have a huge significance now, because if we elect men and women to our state legislatures who do not have a biblical worldview or a Christian perspective, then they're going to pass legislation that is not based on God's word. If they don't understand that abortion is wrong, that that baby from conception is a living human being, then we're going to have a problem. So, I mean, would you agree with that, that this is an important issue to elect godly men and women to state legislatures?
Absolutely. I think that we can't stress enough how important it is to pay attention to state politics and local politics, because it's not all on the national level. Even if you look state by state now, they're not able to fully make abortion illegal, but there are a number of states, I think it's up to 12 now, that have trigger laws, which basically means that they say in the law that once Roe is reversed, automatically abortion is going to be made illegal or it's going to be severely restricted. So even now, those state elections matter, and we can be pushing for those kind of laws. So what are you seeing, Grace, in proposed, I don't know if you're hearing about different legislation. For example, you know, in Virginia, prior to the governor's race last year, the previous governor was stating a baby could be born alive, and he didn't care if they killed it. And then you have in Jackson, Mississippi, in that case, I think you said it was 15 weeks, and different states are starting to have heartbeat bills. What does a heartbeat bill mean, and how do they vary from state to state? Yeah, so the Texas heartbeat bill was the one that was able to make it through, although they've been trying to pass them for a number of years now in a bunch of different states. But one of the most amazing things about the Texas heartbeat bill is that Rasmussen did a poll on it, it was a national poll, and they actually found that 43% of people opposed the bill, but 46 are in favor of it.
So that means that we actually are winning. The heartbeat bills are really important because it literally says in the name that it's a heartbeat bill. So it forces people to understand that there is a heartbeat, which is something that we often assign to humanity, it brings humanity to the preborn. So basically what it does is it would make it so that abortion is banned after six weeks, which is about when you can hear the first preborn heartbeat. So basically, for those of you who are listening, and this is a term you hear a lot, and you might not have known what it meant, and you're going to hear a lot more, particularly if the Supreme Court rules in the pro-life favor. So a heartbeat bill, and Grace, I just want to make sure that our listeners understand from what you're telling us, the heartbeat bill is basically saying that once that baby has a very clear heartbeat, that there cannot be an abortion after that point. Is that correct?
Yes, and that is about six weeks. And are there a lot of states looking at that, or have you started following the legislation that's being developed? There are a good amount of states, I'm not quite sure what the number is, but there were a good amount of states who are looking at trying to implement those bills. So we're very proud of Texas for getting that through.
Isn't it great? Texas is always paving the way for everybody. They're brave. And I think the liberals know it, Grace, because a lot of liberals are moving from California to Texas, particularly, boy, I don't know if you've ever been to Austin. Some of them have lost their mind out there in Austin. But I hope that Texas will stay strong. Folks, if you're listening, we're talking about a post-Pro America, we're going to take a commercial break. You want to stick around, we'll come back, we're going to talk to Grace more about what's happening around the country and the pro-life movement.
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Welcome back to Christian Perspective with Chris Hughes. My guest today is a member of the Students for Life. It's a college organization on campuses across the country where young people are engaging in the pro-life movement.
Grace Ricocheski is my guest and boy, she's a junior in college and she is a fireball and very intelligent and up to speed on what's happening around the country in the pro-life movement. Grace, before the commercial break, you were talking about a bill in Texas and others across the country that are called a heartbeat bill. Basically, this bill says that once a heartbeat is determined, and you said that's at about six weeks of pregnancy, once a heartbeat is determined that there cannot be an abortion after that point and certainly if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the pro-life movement in the Dopp's case and we expect the answer to come back sometimes, I think, in June, then we could see these heartbeat bills popping up all across the country. When you were talking about the heartbeat bills in the last segment, Grace, you mentioned a poll. I think you said 46% of people are now pro-life.
Is that what you told me? The funny thing is I think some of those people wouldn't consider themselves to be pro-life, but the vast majority of people are in favor of common sense regulation of abortion. 46% are in favor of the Texas heartbeat bill, 43% opposed it, and 11% were undecided.
Well, Grace, you travel the country with Students for Life and speak at different conferences, I assume, and so forth. I'm starting to see, when I travel around the country, it seems to me that a lot of people in your generation, I haven't seen this in a long time, but a lot of people in your generation, college students today, there are more pro-life students than we've seen in a long time. Are you seeing a growth in the pro-life movement among late teenagers and early 20s?
Absolutely, absolutely. I think that is in large part due to the work that Students for Life has been doing, but I don't know if any of your listeners have been to the March for Life, but I think people are shocked when they go there for the first time because they expect it to be all older white men, but there is a bunch of young people in college groups that are all going, and it's just so exciting to see that we really are the side that has the momentum. If you look at their side, they have no momentum. It's incredible to see how many students, both high school and college, that attend the March for Life, and for me that's very encouraging to see that the next generation in our country is understanding the importance of protecting unborn children in our country. Well, Grace, when people talk about the issue, I know you hear arguments. One thing I hear a lot is, well, Christians aren't providing an alternative. We have to have abortion because we'd have too many orphaned kids running around in our country today, which to me is just a totally lame argument that the other side presents, but I'm sure you've heard that too. So what infrastructure is in place to help women if Roe is reversed in the United States?
Yeah, there is so much. So first of all, we hear a lot of people saying that when Roe is reversed, when abortion is made illegal, the foster care system is going to be overcrowded. There are going to be all these children that we can't take care of, but that is just absolutely not true.
The goal of the foster care system is to reunite children with their parents in the vast majority of cases. There are some times where that's not possible and where those children are placed with adoptive families, but the vast majority of the time those children are not up for adoption. The statistic that we actually should be looking at that would relate to abortion is how many infants are there who are placed for adoption who are not adopted almost immediately, and that number is pretty much zero. If you look at the numbers, there are approximately 36 families waiting to adopt for every one infant that is put up for adoption.
Really, that is the only statistic that matters when we're talking about abortion because it is infants who are being placed for adoption. Then the other infrastructure that we have to support women is that we have pregnancy research centers all around the country, and I encourage you to go to Care Net. You can find a center that's near you to volunteer with them.
They're fantastic. They offer so many resources for women. All of them are slightly unique in what they offer, but most of them offer ultrasound, pregnancy testing, prenatal care, counseling, all these things.
Material goods are also very common, so diapers, maternity clothes, anything that you should need. Then on the governmental level, there are also federally qualified health centers, which is kind of like the way that we fund Planned Parenthood. It is through the government, but they do not do abortions, and they provide so many more services to people in low-income areas and also rural areas. There are just so many ways that we are prepared to support women once throw is reversed.
That's important for people to know. The pro-life movement has been waiting for this for 60 years, and we're prepared, and we're going to take care of those babies if this is turned around. There's such a need, as you said, for adoption. I have some good friends that recently just adopted a little girl. There are so many families that can have children, but it's not just families that can have children. Some people truly just want to help in this situation and just want to have more children to their families.
It's a tremendous opportunity, and there is a huge need, as you said, more than 30 cases for every baby that's born right now. That's just a myth. So that's one of the myths that's out there, Grace. Can you share with us what are some of the other myths when it comes to when they act like it's the end of the world if the Supreme Court sends this back to the states?
It's really not. So what are some of the other myths that are out there, and how can we debunk them? This is especially important for people your age who are on college campuses, and they're just being told over and over again that it's a blob of flesh and it's not a real baby and it doesn't matter.
Oh, yeah. One of the myths that I hear all the time on my college campus is that if abortions made illegal, women are going to die from back-alley abortions in massive numbers. I mean, know that that's not true, because that wasn't true. They say it is, don't they?
They do. All these women were dying with, and I'm not trying to be graphic, but rusty coat hangers and all that, simply not true. Those statistics were actually made up by the man who founded NARAL, and he actually became pro-life later on in his life and admitted that he had fabricated those statistics in order to get Roe v. Wade decided. They lied and they said that there were thousands of women dying from back-alley abortions, but it was just completely made up. And the truth is that the fatality rate from abortions that were done legally and illegally was pretty much the same back then. They were dangerous when they were done legally and when they were done illegally. Most of the illegal abortions were not happening in alleyways.
They were not done with coat hangers. They were usually done by doctors, just in secret, and that's probably the way that it would be once Roe was reversed. We've also seen that there's been an uptick in medication abortions. Students realize we like to call them toilet bowl abortions, because that's really what it is. That's where they have the two pill cocktail. The first one starves the baby to death, and then the second one basically induces labor. You have contractions and it expels the dead baby. And that's probably what we're going to see a rise of once Roe is reversed.
Grace, forgive my ignorance here. When we hear the pill Plan B advertised on TV, is that what you're talking about, or is Plan B something different? Plan B is something else. So Plan B works as an abortifacient, but the abortion pill is different. Right now, as it stands, you typically get the first one and you take it in an abortion clinic, and then they give you the second one in a brown paper bag and you take it at home. And they're actually pretty traumatizing because it's forced to take care of that all on your own with no support from anyone.
And there have been a lot of women who, you know, they tell you, to expel the dead baby, don't look, just flush the toilet, but if you look, some of them, you know, you can see it. Do they have to have a prescription? Is that prescribed by a doctor or just like Planned Parenthood hands them out? So, as it stands now, they are supposed to be prescribed by a doctor. There are some places where people can get them illegally online, and that's what we've been seeing happening more since, I think, even the other side is anticipating this decision going in our favor.
So, that's going to be the next thing that we have to count here, I think. Well, Grace, is there a limit, I'm sorry I'm just hung up on this, but that's an easy way for people to try to continue abortions and try to avoid doctor's offices. Is there a point after which it would not be prescribed, you know, like at three months or four months, I mean, because at some point, this woman is going to be giving birth to a dead baby, so how far into the process, if you know, I'm sorry, to be asking these graphic questions, but how far into the process can someone take that abortion pill? Yeah, I believe they're approved by the FDA through about 11 weeks, but I think they're prescribed typically through like 14 or 15 weeks. If you take them any time after that, they can be extremely dangerous. And over COVID, we've also started them seeing, they've been giving out these pills without an in-person appointment, which is really dangerous as well because there are a lot of women who have maybe an ectopic pregnancy, and if you're not going into the doctor's office and getting that checked out, they could just give you this pill, tell you to take it, it'll fix all your problems, and they just go about their lives, but as we know, that's really dangerous if they don't get that taken care of right away.
Well, I've got to tell you, that scares me worse than what would happen, what they're saying, what they're missing. To me, that is a back alley abortion. You're sending a young woman out with no medical supervision at all, and like you said, any kind of complicated pregnancy, something terrible could happen to that young lady. Those pills are tragic, and that is abortion. For those of you listening, you can call it what you want, just because you're not having, and again, I'm not trying to be graphic here, but a baby vacuum sucked out of your uterus, it's still an abortion.
Okay, so Grace, tell us a little bit about then Plan B. How is that different, and is Plan B an abortion? So Plan B and any form of birth control, that is hormonal, can also work as an abortifacient, which means that it will change the uterine lining to make it so that the uterus is not hospitable for the pre-worn baby to implant. Is that basically, if you had intercourse, which is usually outside of the bonds of marriage, and you're afraid that you might have gotten pregnant, you take that within the next day or two after intercourse to basically create a period or a cycle for a woman? Is that basically what's happening? Yeah, that's basically what's happening, so it'll prevent implantation.
I knew you would have the correct term. I don't believe it will kill the baby after it's implanted, but it will prevent it from implanting, which will in turn obviously kill the fertilized eggs, which we know is a human being since life begins at conception. So those are what we call abortifacients, and Plan B falls in that category.
The birth control pill, IUDs, the shots, any form of hormonal birth control can work as an abortifacient to end the life of a pre-born baby. And I think that's important for us to know, and listening audience, I wasn't trying to get graphic, but you might hear these terms, some of you might not know what it means, and I wanted Grace to explain, so you'll know. But we're going to take a commercial break and come back. We're going to talk a little bit more about what a post-pro America looks like. Music In a world crowded with viewpoints and voices, only one voice matters, gods. At the College at Mid-America and Mid-America Seminary, we equip leaders to think from a biblical worldview, online or on our Memphis campus. Check out the College at Mid-America and Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary at mabts.edu and be equipped to light the way. This show is brought to you by Generous Joe's, the coffee company with the Christian perspective.
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Welcome back to The Christian Perspective. We're talking today about the pro-life movement, we're talking about Students for America, we're talking about what the United States of America will look like if the Supreme Court decided this year that abortion is not a United States constitutional issue, but a decision that can be made on a state-by-state basis. My guest today is Grace Rickichesky. Grace is a junior in college and she volunteers and travels across the country and speaks for Students for Life. And Grace, thank you so much for your stand on the Word of God and the courage that it's got to take for someone your age in college to defend life like this.
We just really appreciate you being here with us today. We've been talking, Grace, about what will happen if Roe is reversed. So what kind of things will hinder the fight for life if Roe is reversed?
So there are a lot of things that show up in our culture today that I think will make it hard to foster a culture of life in America. One of the things that we see a lot is men not standing up and taking responsibility. I think the number one reason that women get abortions is because they didn't feel supported by the father of the baby.
A lot of times these men will say, oh, you know, whatever you want to do is fine by me. And the women who are in those situations who are facing that crisis in their view, they see that as the man saying, just get an abortion, get it over with. And that really, really hinders the culture of life. Another thing is hookup culture is a massive problem. I think a lot of times in the pro-life movement we would like to think that we can just tell people, well, you know, it's a living human being and you can have all the sex you want as long as you know that if you get pregnant, you're not going to get an abortion. But that just isn't the case because when people are in that really difficult situation, many of them will make a decision to end the life of that baby even if they thought they were pro-life before that because they're just in crisis mode and they don't feel like they have any support from their boyfriend or from their friends or family.
So those things really will hinder a culture of life in America. It's just scary what's happening right now and we have to be vigilant because the fight is not going to end. You know, once this happens, if it doesn't, we're praying that it does happen, the Supreme Court will rule in our favor in the Dobbs decision which we hope will come out in June. Grace, what can people do to fight for life in a post-Roe America?
Because the fight is not over, so what can we do? So number one thing is right now we can advocate for trigger laws like I mentioned earlier in your individual state. Another thing you can do is go and support your local pregnancy resource center, volunteer with them, donate. And another thing is that you need to get their literature into your church because actually, I believe it's four out of ten, yeah, four out of ten women who have had an abortion, they were attending a church at the time they had that abortion which is absolutely staggering that 40 percent, 40 percent of women were in a church, so you just think the amount of women who wouldn't have made that decision if they had felt supported in their local church. So getting your churches to talk about it, having literature to your pregnancy resource center there is just crucial. Another thing is educating your friends and family.
That's really important. And if you're a student, definitely get involved with Students for Life. You can start a chapter at your high school or your college, and you can also sign up for their leadership program.
They're open right now, but they're going to close soon, so you should definitely apply if you are in high school or college. Well, Grace, can you share, I'm sure you have a website, can you tell them how to find Students for Life? Yeah, so my Instagram is ProLifeBarbie, and I have links to a bunch of the things that we talked about in my bio, so I'll have a link to the leadership programs right in there. I'll also have a link to some of the studies that I mentioned. I love that, ProLifeBarbie. Remind me to put that out one more time before the end of the show. But there's also Students for Life, they Google, there's a website they can find there as well. Yep, absolutely.
If you Google Students for Life and fellowships, it will come up. Well, I want to add a couple of things that we can do, because this is an election year, and State House members across, not just the United States Congress and key U.S. Senate races, there are some key governors races across the country, the school board and so much more, but in the case of a post-Roe America, the state legislative races and the judicial races are going to be extremely important, and a lot of people never vote for judges, whether it be district or county or even state supreme courts. These positions are so important because if, and we hope and pray they do, if the United States Supreme Court sends it back as a state issue, then the lawsuits from that point on are really going to happen within your state. So you need to let godly men and women into public office to serve, particularly in the judicial seat and in the legislative seat. Because in the legislative area, it would be your State House and your State Senate and your governors, so the State House and State Senate will introduce legislation such as what Grace described as the Texas heartbeat bill, because there are groups like Citizens for America and others that are going to encourage people across the country, Students for Life will too, and so many other organizations. There are plans already in place to start passing these heartbeat bills in every state across the nation. So if you don't have godly men and women elected to the state legislature, State House, State Senate, those bills will never get introduced or never pass. And if you don't have a Christian or someone with a biblical perspective or Christian perspective sitting in the governor's mansion, they may try to veto those bills. There's a misconception that abortion is going to go away if the Supreme Court rules in our favor, and I think Grace would agree that it's not going away.
It just becomes a battle that is a little easier for us to fight because it will be involved on a state-by-state basis across the country. So these elections are so, so important this year, and we need to elect godly men and women to public office. Grace, how can someone, you mentioned pregnancy centers across the country and how churches need to partner with pregnancy centers. How can someone connect, whether it be to volunteer, to give money, or maybe we have young women here who might be pregnant and they don't know where to turn. There is an alternative to Planned Parenthood. Do not go to Planned Parenthood. They are a business, and they make money by aborting your babies. I mean, I'm being blunt. Would you agree, Grace, that that's their business?
Yes. They're in the business of abortion and lying to women, and that is all they do. So how can we find a pregnancy center in our area if we need one or if we want to volunteer and help it with one? So there are a few different networks of pregnancy resource centers. The one that I'm most familiar with is called Care Net.
If you go on their website, just search C-A-R-E-N-E-T, Care Net, they have a find a center tab on their website where you're able to enter in your zip code. And I would just really encourage you to reach out to them. And thank you so much, and I'll share that. We've only got a couple more minutes left. Can you tell us what can students do to help with the movement? Join Students for Life. That is the best thing you can do. Join a fellowship. I agree.
Yep. Start a chapter at your school. Okay, and real quickly, what are your plans from here? So my fiancé and I have started a little idea that we've been talking about for a while.
What we want to be able to do once Roe is reversed is we want to be able to go state by state since this is now a local battle. So our idea is that we want to live in a bus and have a crazy wild adventure where we go on college campuses and talk to people about life and conservative policies and Christian values. So we actually have a Patreon.
The link is in the bio of my Instagram as well, at ProLifeBarbie, where you can go and support us. But we're just incredibly excited to do that. We think that that'll be the best way for us to be effective once we're... Well, I love that. Just yesterday, my wife and I were talking to you because the van life is a hot thing right now.
We were talking about, you know, I was trying to convince her, let's get a van and get on the road. So y'all, we're so honored today to have had Grace. Grace, thank you for being on our show today. Thank you so much for having me. Folks, check out Grace Ricochesky and look up ProLifeRV.
If you want to learn more about how you can help with the local center in your area, check out Care Net. And then on Instagram, you can find Grace with all the links in her bio at ProLifeBarbie on Instagram. Thank you for listening to Christian Perspective today. You can listen to this same time every day in your local radio station. If you miss it, or I hope you'll want to share this show with other people, it becomes a podcast later today on the Truth Network, Apple Podcasts, Spotify.
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