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How Can We Protect the Lives of Unborn Babies?

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February 28, 2022 5:00 am

How Can We Protect the Lives of Unborn Babies?

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February 28, 2022 5:00 am

Human Coalition’s Julie Emmons joins Chris Hughes today on the Christian Perspective to talk about what the Bible says about abortion and how we can engage the culture for Jesus in the Pro-Life arena.


Causes reward your mental grid your podcast. Our mission is to break down the walls of recent nomination, your chosen truth radio broadcast will be starting in just a few seconds. Thank you. This is the Truth Network get ready. It's one of America's most important, influential, respected voices on cultural and political issues and apologist first political advocate and author. Here is the founder and chairman of the America foundation, Dr. Chris. Today the Christian perspective, concrete shoes, and you know the show how we can take what the Bible teaches us, and specifically not just into our daily lives take the biblical worldview, but I am encouraging you to take it into the public arena in the area of public policy and in the world of politics, which I know is something that scares many of our listeners, but God gave us this world.

It's his creation and he does not expect us as Christians be bystanders, particularly when so many things simple things are really going on the world around us before you started, I want to thank the citizens for America foundation for sponsoring our show and I really want to say a special thank you to Mid-America Baptist theological seminary for being the home base for our radio program and giving us the studios that we use so we can broadcast their beautiful campus here in Memphis, Tennessee. Each and every day.

We all know our earlier this year.

Back in January. You may recall when I went up to Washington DC on a very cold January day for the March for life. And if you are not aware there is a war going on to save the lives of millions of unborn babies in our nation since 1973 when the Supreme Court case of Roe V Wei Wade occurred there been approximately and I guess they were probably correctly but around 63 million babies who have been brutally murdered in the United States of America through abortion and because of the funding that we give to Planned Parenthood with our tax dollars. Not only is this in the United States but millions more babies have been murdered through abortion around the world. Abortion is a sin and maybe you're listening today and you don't agree or you don't know. I know there's a whole generation of young people who don't see that little life inside a woman's stomach has I living baby. Some of them just see as a blob of flesh or some genetic mutation or whatever it may be to justify their minds that this is not murder, but it is murder and we have got to stop this in our nation, God's going to hold us accountable for the sin of abortion, he's gonna hold the church accountable for not taking a stand. In this issue in the United States of America. So I invited someone today who is a dear friend of mine to be a guest on our show. Julie Emmons of known of the political circles for a couple years now. She will issue a letter tells more about it but she worked on some congressional staffs and for some other great Christian organizations, but she's now with an organization called human coalition was later Michelle will learn about Julie has a passion for defending the lives of the unborn and she is really a general in that battle she's on the front lines. Each and every day doing everything she can to save the lives of these precious unborn babies at work created in the very image of God. So Julie, thank you so much for joining us here today on the Christian perspective you're welcome my honor and privilege to be here pretty well. The honors all myopic. You are such a busy lady often try to get you out here for a long time and that you're always busy, but that's okay because I know what you're doing.

I know what you're out there working for them and certainly talk on the radio is not always the best use of your time when you're meeting with legislators and encouraging others to engage in this battle, but Julie so before we jump into the abortion issue because I want people have an opportunity to call the family members or friends. Or maybe if you like me got the students from high school or college that really because I think the younger generation a day just does not see this is the important issue Julie that you and I see this issue as and so I want people to have a chance to hop on the line. But before we get into the issue of the day. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background. What you been doing the last few years I am and I will growing up in North Carolina and departed at different generation and unusual privilege. You grant the right thing happen in the day cheerfully talk about.

So for those of us with a greater geography. Are you close to the big city in the middle of North Carolina because we have a national audience. Where is that little tail between great American arrow and any rate to be great in a Christian home gold from the figures really not in the political and government involvement. You realize how powerful you are and how he used to implement teacher was Mr. Dennis recount United now, and he encouraged our whole generation of time involved critical work government work there and younger i.e. in public current career began actually in education for 17 years classroom teacher and instructor Eli numeracy for 10 years in the school of education for special education like I believe in education all day eating upper people having different at the ready and embracing their value politically involved. Volunteer every year in 2014 and that dark Congress Mark Walker and he asked me to ranking pain and can't correct God knew and we embark on a journey he blessed our efforts in 2014 Mark went to Congress. The state health representative director and deputy chief why a learning journey 2020 lobbying in Raleigh for a prayer life down the court only had I learned about an organization called the caller that will talk about later were listeners just to let them know Raleigh is the state capital. So anybody knows that you worked there with legislators each and every day. Was it just the abortion issue we addressing a variety of issues with your previous organization radiating one of our felt like currently I'm detailed here in North Carolina and I failed to outlaw abortion case and trying to work on winning court and even interested in crafting out about dating a linen port. We have to work on religious liberty.

If he I and I privilege my knee unborn like an evening hole and I got up and endorsed her full-time pro-dictation and I'm so glad that he Holy Spirit in your heart that matter and open up the opportunities as we learn more about your organization will later BEFORE we do that, I don't believe your history here yet. I want talk about some of the things that you mention. First, I want to touch on teachers or because I did not know that part of your story you talked about how your teacher. We with the history teacher. Did you say is now in the statehouse. I guess it and in the state of North Carolina encouraged you to make a difference and I know that we have a lot of teachers listen I just want to encourage you all. I know it's been so tough these last two years with a cove in the lockdowns and and and in many cases, some of the schools were not prepared to go online and maybe many of you that are teachers have never been online I did know necessarily how to teach and and even beaten up a lot in the press.

I think unjustly of the last couple years and I know it's easy to get discouraged. Julie, my wife is teachers in college and I never realized until she started teaching the workload that teachers have a minute he heard him say about you and I will be honest to me. Unlike many but I was like not male was like many people got a critical thank you for you complete your teachers complain all the time. They don't make enough money and now you got it when applicable. Early there, you know, if you don't know know but you don't really get you in the case of my wife and I'm sure with you Julie and other teachers. I know they do much more work outside of the classroom. The ever do in the classroom. You remember remember how teenager in your classroom airline and your part that is on heart the way you opportunity to embrace that image of current encouraged him to eat for his glory and I can incredible price is implemented beginning of my interest in life and I think just saw this in here the next half.

I just want to encourage teachers listening. There are many Julie's out there who are being influenced by you in your teaching and I knew particularly Christian teachers can get discouraged because so many liberal things happen with the teachers unions, but God placed you in that position so you can uniquely touch the lives of these young people and I just think about that history teacher you are. Not only did he touch her life, but because of your work today. There's no telling how many babies lives have been saved through your involvement that we never would've happened had he not encouraged you to get involved and make a difference. Julie so you know, I just want to encourage her teachers particular Christian teachers realize that you have an opportunity to make a difference in those students lives each and every day touch them and the other ways even in public schools to let people see the love of Jesus coming out through your life. Julie will take a break here just a second, will come back up. I want to talk about one more thing you said in your background. That's about special ed and the importance of of engaging there and possibly an adoption and then will go jump right into the abortion issue so folks call your friends telling you to takeJulie to tell you how we as Christians engage in the culture to defend life United States for sister Karen will be right back with more Christian perspective. This show is brought to you by generous jokes coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back causes you care about.

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I want to touch on one more thing Julie mentioned that she were to special ed and talked about the importance for us as Christians standing up for students who may be you don't always have people stand up for themselves and I file it was important for us to make a note here because one criticism of the left to Julie is that they try to make it sound like we don't care about babies that are born and that is simply not that is not true. You have a lot of children born with Down syndrome and you have been on the frontline trying to contact babies born with downs and other developmental issues in and out. If you want to speak to that but I really think it's important God touches certain Christians lives to maybe adopt babies with downs or other issues, and in the church could do a better job at that. But for the liberals who accuse us of that.

That's not true.

We love those babies just as much, as any other. Now in person last spring legislature. We were working on a Dell I mentioned before, which would prohibit abortion cases that are prenatal lady named Jaden at that time she was 13 she came with her family body for the Dell Brown community meeting time at eight, held that Lancaster learning.

I am created in God's child and right ear and there's something really powerful listening to me and a unique imprint of their creator on an area where I can bring heart and mind and embracing differences, embracing different ability and thank you note.

Recognizing everything or humanity created important important part, as I think overall pro-absolutely powerful testimonies will folks if you listen were talking about the pro-life movement. My guest Julie humans with human coalition is with us today. Julie what first sparked your interest in the pro-life movement and what's motivated you to become an and then even stay involved for so many years first start. Her prayer life and quickly talked about the lady called right to live right and I know it's written by former Surgeon General Dr. outlined on the current issue of abortion and euthanasia here in eight struck me were talking about here. I'm sure you remember back then ultrasound photos were really grainy, like a little white.

The I and you were told that your baby will Julie's daughters like that support public health really changed ethics is a human being pro-abortion courses were tragic and now we know we had 40 elders and all the counting. I started really, really think he he have a voice and how I needed to be there for you several years later working.

I actually can increase income classes along with taking a class on genetic policy and at a certain age will remember everything Hillary care before there was an Obama care and your client was first lady at that time he came out with with a healthcare plan project where I wanted to write my paper on how that plan would impact enforcing training. I decided to actually go to an abortion clinic to interview the manager there and as stated on okay sweetly took the Metro down here on a Saturday and I remember walking in the door. One person in the waiting rain more than 16 young Carl here is all I can tell that she did not want to be there we were with back very quickly and escorted out of the car interview we did do anything other than to let her know I look here and now and experience broaden IDT you know what baby here on I'm on his feet and know their way out how her she can come alongside her with the resources Mary all these years later it come full circle to be involved in anything telling Brandon Andy and getting you think we will. Most of us don't ever want to think about abortion because of the uncomfortableness of the images may appear rain we think about it, but Julie, you mentioned that one young lady was there by herself and that's just a story that takes place really millions of times over and over again that young lady is almost always by herself. I would think you know better than me. Maybe you can talk little bit about that, but it is not just in I'm not diminishing the life of the unborn baby. But there are many lives that are ruined through abortion. That young lady is filling alone.

Maybe for the first time in her life that one of the most important decisions that she's making in her life and she's got a deal with the rest of her life with what happened there in that room and she was by herself and another thing Julie knowledge address that. But another thing that people think of is the young man.

You know, many times the young man may not have a say what we ought. I guess legally he probably doesn't have a say.

I don't know maybe can address and given too many issues to year, but there might be a young man who had sex outside of marriage, which is not God's plan or design, but it happens and it he would never want his baby to be aborted, but he may not have a say and he's gotta live with the rest of his life. You know his participation in that as well.

Do you agree that this cause a lot of problems for both mothers left alone and in the fathers of those babies who also partake in abortion on their own long-term NATO health consequences not easy abortion industry itself on powering pain and years ago.

His girlfriend had an abortion without permission, without his knowledge. He still hurts from a lifetime that I didn't want to take an opportunity before we make any further in a kind and this is a decision I made years ago I went on talking for an hour about abortion. Only only only your mind and abortion are participated in abortion income. My remind you of Chris what you and I the trailing first time, 19 if we confess our stand faithful to forgive us our stand and cleanse us from all unrighteousness and dairy healing, and in Jesus Christ and him go he can ask his forgiveness there there in front of her life in evening on a post-abortive counseling and he can redeem and so I think you for giving me a moment to remind is were trying to coerce people to develop a biblical worldview on this is when the news is it there for it to send the other one sin is not greater than the other center we are all set. But forgiveness comes through Jesus Christ alone. Julie you are, the only abortion clinic in the grainy ultrasounds that technology I think is really changed. I know there's a lot going on to raise money to put ultrasounds in his abortion counseling clinics.

Does it really make a difference when the young lady can see a clear ultrasound of her baby before she makes a final decision on young people having children and I really need my know what you look like, and so during learning ability to either now and the abortion industry would prefer to keep that information from her child want she should be okay on a very powerful tool and we counsel when I pray that this is an making process and changed you know, I know that this is a little question what should be legal are transcending one of only six countries in the world permit the portion think we've lost every 6980. I mean, I state since the beginning sentence 3805. We have strong momentum right now and we are determined to be there for people like that continue to talk strong Christian heritage don't know really important role God in the Bible is American. Dr. Dave much of America's Christian heritage out of all about the government and the men who helped forge the new kind of Republic acknowledge the creator of the truth about the creation about the fate of the mounting father to join this show is brought to you by generous jokes coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back causes you care about your coffee shop generous Joe's.even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget you or causes you care about the conservative Baptist network is a dynamic movement of Southern Baptist pastors and churches and Christians committed to standing for the sufficiency of God's word in the face of a culture of compromise.

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In the process is abortion look on her. She still do you have your email.

Your surgical procedure on in the traditional traditional need year. I like the feeling For a little bit and we can retrofit ready wafer on the Entry now on. Right now we have in this credible threat that we had to dedicate case in the past but iconic facial age, which limited question after 15 weeks of course like this. They pro-life builder taken to court and the Supreme Court heard it on December 1, 2021 fall protection protect children and to help pregnant mother protect the integrity of the medical profession that I'm in Washington will forget it.

I want to hear about that because I remember we talked why you believe are your other for those that are listening because I think your people use the term Roby way, but probably a lot of listeners. Julie who don't really know what that was and what it meant. If I don't spot can you just tell people coming more more than is just a Supreme Court case. What was what was what would you like what was the state of abortion before that what change what was that so important for out of state.

Okay, I can't limit or direct import trying to be within 15 weeks now and not determine whether or not abortion is legal within their state and the way I Supreme Court is willing to uphold the law upholding the law. We start named Helene that grasp on the legality of abortion and would be able to find whether or not abortion Frank also thinking I will). All comedienne and abortion decision will be pushed back state level. So really, what were you to be doing is to be fighting@E1 battleground that you think about it. Okay 50 state legislature and United Congress passed the info on what will happen if Freddie might spell all either going to be on Stateline 20 would be ready and willing fairly quickly to restrict abortion access after that happened, like roaches, recaps about a century ago, the United States Supreme Court decided that this was a constitutional issue decide about the federal government that a woman had a right to Maureen Kirtley from wrong and there is really been a major case heard by the Supreme Court really since about that time so last year when the legislature in the state of Mississippi passed a law that I could be wrong correctly, I believe it was a 12 there will be no abortion after 12 weeks.

Is that right you opportunity come along where where the Supreme Court essentially you can do that now we can with the other big difference. Julie as the Supreme Court looks different that has a long time and what you love present proper height present from this Christians. He had the opportunity to place three new justices on the Supreme Court so the look and feel Supreme Court is different there really has been in decades and really for the first time now we have possibly only that we don't know how they will rule but we have possibly with more conservative justices on the court now maybe the opportunity to it is very rare for but for the court to say no. A mistake was made in the previous decision and this is not a United States constitutional issue but a state issue is that kind of a good summer at what would be excellent. Your on the green cord and able Constitution. First, I think it interesting. Roe V Wade was decided by an all male all light cream court we had a more diverse Supreme Court. Now I flag the people of America match better in my opinion we are working with a different knowledge that cleaning out what happened here in our alive people are like call abortion were not as readily.

There are over 20 ready and able to serve on the coalition talk about an organization I work for the largest national pro-life organization for starving linen all day every day.

Neil on seeking abortion and providing them with the resources they need to parent their children are leaving is ready to serve families with real option and will solution genuine craft abortion.

We've already established is time for Christians the church for the pro-life movement ready and willing to serve Julie. You were there that day.

What was it like to be there almost steps Supreme Court, what happened to your brain or laying out and declared the first 2020 100,000 people out there from I will say and even even that may not direction very clearly more Christlike people are pretty powerful in a habit or argument around my speech is on about something that happened after the round went back around coupons that action and cosponsored with another great common Supreme Court to round out our praise and worship and prayer all day all day before the people that long after they left it all to hear God's word and thanking prayers all day because I'm a broadcast goal is to completely people to cover about March around it and so near and prayer, praise and worship defects, and all they heard from. I was glad it was really, really powerful and lasting Lord bless you and keep you and make a shine upon you.

Generation upon generation incredible example of the power of the Holy Spirit. What kind can be normal everyday people, in response that we have is me for individual scores crowded with viewpoints voice financial problems.

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America has a strong Christian heritage Americans don't know really important role God and the Bible is the founder, Dr. Dave much of America's Christian heritage out of all the government and the men helped forge the new kind of Republic acknowledge the creator of the truth about the creation about the fate of the mounting father to join but you keep mentioning your organization's name but is one most of us have never heard tell us who the human coalition isn't what you do larger line when only organization in the country and abortion. Yes, you heard me right and making it drinkable and thousands of partners nationwide. We operate national rescue system that serves women facing an expected pregnancy and some of the most abortion Dan communities across the country, helping your mom people go for information when you have a question you get out likening faculty.

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Okay: anchor big thinking, searching for an abortion clinic for searching women with 90 online and so we have a model that we can't reach rescue store. She searching for an abortion. We cry that we make sure that she information that she sees her number is much possibly much as we can possibly do you need abortion was a call that life-affirming care. We abortion industry narrative around how you can't you got one option. You cannot do that you can't Karen account you'll never finish college never had a career all in agreement we woman around with me for not only immediate need long-term continuum of care provided by licensed social worker you need help finding a place you need help finding help with to be able to make you people are here and walk right alongside me well for the first pro-life organization. It serves women and advocate for them in the public with meaningful policy performed so never and clinics and we partner with other crazy nation every day for ministering to women and their children and go around advocating for them all the state legislators around the country and another very important thing about human coalition. We are part of the unified credit life. We can't do it alone organization can now more than ever we need to collaboratively work with other members of the pro-life movement. Be careful when you tell them they can hang in there like a permanent marker life, we will be there for them to think I did one when you pick up the women that we see if I did have an abortion. Fennec would prefer to parent their circumstances were different thinking their circumstances were Frank and we want to address the very real way, hands and feet of Jesus teasing on and empower them to be mama that God designed in such an important role in you are using really different methods of us think other organizations or views of the passing has really blessed the work of the human coalition and you're not just even though you live in North Carolina really your all over the country working right answer. Lately We are nationwide and our week.

You have a child present a plan for Africa 2009 22,000 little market human coalition to privilege to be part of the part of really what is a compassionate and holistic approach to see. I really couldn't feel it without our church partners and went on our partners will Julie I want you to be praying for you human coalition. If people want to learn more about human coalition's website or how can they find out what you're doing absolutely absolutely can learn where my going to get you.human coalition.orc and there is information there about how to donate how to get in touch with our volunteer network today and take an army of people ready and willing to be working so would encourage everybody listing the please go to the website and learn more about what they're doing but more specifically, I want you to learn about how you can get about how you can engage how you can pray for the human coalition other team and sure there's also information on the different legislative things that are going on across the country.

There engage with so you can pray specifically for those needs. Okay, Julie. The time is come that everybody's going to be nervous about on the show because the time is come for me to step on some toes and rescued a little bit disappointed and I've been part of this. So I am not get on a byword and say that I've been perfect in this realm either. The church is not engage this issue in the way that the should. So what do you think what role do you think the church should play in the pro-life movement to be pivotal in control role okay not in central role in the pro-life. He thinks I would like to purchase to consider when this is it is something people may not think first about what the church sending to women of all ages sitting in the church you creating an environment where the shame and condemnation, and an unexpected pregnancy and the pain of an abortion. Three women in charge have had an abortion 45% of that had more than one 75% say that chart had no influence over their decision to bind and says that one in 10 pastors preached on abortion not comfortable to talk.

We must address the AC we must have an environment in our churches where winning feel they can comprehend and live in able to come in.

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If the pre-born child and combined together. That is when the church can really make a difference. Also could continue their collective power and financial resources.

Wonderful base for volunteers for the pro-life movement today. Chris shouldn't charge pretty for help with things okay political thing about politics and church income moral see. I think if we frame it that way. If we help them in and provide content pastors with the tools that they need in order to be able to speak about things in order to be able to live in their congregations well will see of real different numbers in the church will be leading the effort to surround women with what they need. Will Julie her visitation provide resources to help pastors actually do you have an area of church engagement, we have someone on board who is responsible for that yet churches are pivotal while in helping our work on your part of that convention E RLC I one of our partners in this work is done incredible work with church engagement all say they are about to launch on a special nation went to work on that and said that would be a great resource. Will Julie that's something that's really burdened me as the church is not really stepped up in the manner should my opinion and tickly youth pastor's senior pastor's well what you pastors are so many high school students sitting under your teaching who don't believe that abortion is wrong.

It's got to come from the pulpits of America's got engaged.

Will Julie will hold what time left. But what are some of the challenges Christians face when engaging the public square backpack people are doing were yelling and talking like) pain yesterday today and forever.

Christians are called to be different books I've read in the past years, former governor called faithful presence.

He talks about having a theology of political engagement. The word we look at the Scriptures only applied that he gave the politics you and it's a challenge to speak the truth and let the Scriptures tell us in Ephesians 4 2013, and Chris love is patient left in the words were not written just for wedding. I'm sure you perform. They were written for politics and all the more I think of for only here to make it stand for our belief that anyone asked for a reason we don't have to choose between being faithful and politically active that we can we can, we can be people of truth and last time it crashed about making an argument at the mark.

Welcome special about making every single person can make a difference here going to take all of the night.

I think it ended today we have to remind people about where I was older than Lexan or anyone person in your office and we can bring hope Congress and any other place. We need Julie what a great way to show thank you so much.

We go to have you again and of course when the dogs decision is rendered one deftly have you back in and talk about. Thank you so much for wonderful information on how we can engage and protect the lives of the unborn Julie. We sure appreciate your you are welcome and honored to be on. Thank you for having me like you folks. Thanks for joining us today on Chris using this is a Christian perspective. Please subscribe like a podcast to share with your friends on social media culture for America This is the Truth Network

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