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Election Integrity

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October 29, 2021 12:30 am

Election Integrity

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October 29, 2021 12:30 am

Chris is joined by retired Lt. Col. Wendy Rogers, who is currently a state senator in Arizona. Senator Rogers talks to Chris about her push for election integrity.

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Welcome to the Christian perspective where we look in God's Word in order to develop a Christian worldview and modern culture. I'm Chris Hughes and today's guest is a retired lieutenant colonel from the United States military and she's continued to serve. You know that's the great thing about military people is they understand what service is. Not just them but their families as well and when she got out of the military she decided she wanted to continue to serve our nation and she decided to do that by serving in public office. She's now a member of the Arizona State Senate but you're going to see her in the coming weeks all across the nation. She's a real leader and she's fighting on the forefront to protect election integrity. Senator Wendy Rogers, thank you for being with us today.

Chris Hughes, it's my honor. I'm talking to you from my home in Arizona. We've been on the road, as many of you know, for five weeks. We got back this past few days ago on the weekend and it's good to be home, I have to say. I bet you're glad to finally sleep in your own bed.

I travel a lot too, not as much as because you're really hot right now traveling all across the country but it is so nice to get home and just be in your own bed sometimes. It sure is. It's pretty hot here though. I mean it's a dry heat as they say but it's still blistering hot and we are on fire, figuratively, here in Arizona waiting for the audit report which will be very soon and, you know, just keeping all of that at the forefront of people's consciousness is very, very important right now. Well, you know, there are a lot of questions across the country right now about election integrity and I know that a lot of different states have talked about auditing the election because many people that we believe and not just in the presidential race but others that probably won their elections because of different shenanigans ended up not getting certified in the end and I know the real battle has been in Arizona and started there and is spreading across the country so tell us how you entered this particular battlefield and what's happening in Arizona and across the country. Well, I was elected last November and so I'm the newest Republican state senator. We have a very tenuous one vote majority.

There are 30 state senators in the state senate for Arizona, 16 are Republican, 14 Democrat and so if a Republican senate colleague of mine has a bad day and decides to vote with the Democrats that day and it comes out 15-15, a bill simply doesn't pass. We don't have a tiebreaker as the US senate has so this is a very tricky situation we are in and yet because of this one vote majority we were able to carry out the audit which began some months ago so I got sworn in in January and saw this you know unfold this audit process. It was quite a an interesting uh set up to it because there is no one-stop shop to find a company that audits a presidential election needless to say and so my colleague senate president Karen Fann who's also a rural state senator as am I and there are very few of us out of the 30 total senators in Arizona only seven of us represent rural districts and so anyway she is a very tenacious strong woman business owner for 30 some years and so she was very adroit in handling the spin-up to the audit to select the companies and so forth that participated. So many of you may have followed this to some extent we had this huge undertaking with thousands of people involved to do an audit and we had to rent the Phoenix Coliseum down to fairgrounds huge venue where we counted and recounted the ballots. You probably saw the colored lazy susan style tables that the counters would sit at five individuals three of whom would be volunteers from Maricopa county they had to have been voters in the 2020 November election they were vetted background checked we had over 2 000 of such volunteers and tonight I'm going to a reunion party I guess you could say of audit workers I'm kind of a honorary member because I went down there so often but and I'll see Karen Fann tonight but anyway this was a huge undertaking not only were the ballots counted and recounted and chronicled and cataloged and you know minutely accounted for but each ballot was also forensically examined so we're talking about a camera that had a microscopic eye on it that looked at four features of each ballot the cross hatch printed lines on the ballot to ensure that they aligned properly to speak to the legitimacy of the ballot the fibers in the ballot the yellow dot water marks present were not present in the ballot and then of course what was most interesting to me was the oval bubble filled in ostensibly by the voters it could be told if that was done by a human or not based on whether or not there was an indentation in the paper because this was a three-dimensional microscopic examination of the ballot when those excuse me when those machines were looking did you find any counterfeit ballots when when they were examining those four areas don't know yet the report is not out yet so that'll be ostensibly chronicled in the report but i over i looked over the shoulder of of people doing this and you know it was really a sight to see these pieces of equipment were extraordinarily expensive there was an entire area of the floor dedicated to this it's very pain-taking scrutiny involved and then after the ballots to your question after the ballots finished being counted and recounted then all efforts went to this forensic deep dive look with the microscopic camera which is a lot more time consuming so toward the end to your point more energy was then corralled and focused on to that whereas at the beginning there was kind of a division of labor but at the end everybody was working on that so are the auditors looking at every ballot that was cast in the state or they just uh you know that's my understanding yes no every ballot and everything by the way was uh videoed so the entire floor of the operation was videoed live stream 24 7 with uh i don't know 13 14 some cameras and one could have tuned in on a link online at any time to have watched that the other interesting facet was the fact that each workstation each table each area where the the microscopic camera was operating had a top down looking camera and a side looking camera to to chronicle everything and then in the middle of the floor was this huge tower of computers that were hardwired in the facility nothing by the way was connectable to the internet outside anyway this huge tower of storage of the data uh accumulated to over one petabyte p as in pop-up petabyte which is a lot of terabytes and i've never even heard that word before me either and so yeah so it was extraordinary uh we also had two or three lawyers attorneys on the floor at all times so we knew we know that we're going to get sued we know that it's going to be challenged we knew all that and so we forced all those kinds of things from becoming an issue now in the future now going forward by taking those precautions we also told the arizona secretary of state and any other uh naysayers hey come on down to the audit you know we're an open book uh we're happy to have you come watch and get a briefing and walk around and and see everything and marry a response and so um we members senators uh were told by karen fan our colleague senator president karen fan hey guys you know you can go look at the audit she issued that to us in may so i was johnny on the spot and went down there immediately and uh within two hours and got a full up one-on-one briefing uh from who i later found out that night was none other than ceo of the prime contractor uh cyber ninjas mr doug logan i didn't realize it was he spending an hour with you know little grandma from flagstaff arizona but there he was sitting with me going over everything and um i'm not a techie you know i was a jet pilot in the air force prior to that my academic training is as a psychiatric social worker i have a bachelor's and master's in social work i was a social worker in the air force and mental health before i became a pilot which was a real um career change by the way that's only in the military yeah only in the military could you do something like that but um yeah so you know i don't have a tech background i'm i'm married to an electrical engineer with a software background so i knew he was my husband's where you met in north carolina i knew he was going to grill me like crazy when i got home that night so you know i took copious notes and i showed them to doug uh and said what can i publish because my people want to know what's going on down here and he said oh okay senator well you know you can say this and say this but don't say that because it's not public yet and anyways so i was very disappointed about it and i did three of these one-on-one uh after action reports and i was on the floor a lot uh interviewing people who were working there and then about i don't know three four weeks later we got word that we were going to start hosting visitors from out of state which was sort of a novel idea i didn't even know about and uh we started having visitors from all these different states of state senators and state representatives so this this was a real eye-opener for me because you tend to kind of get tunnel visioned and hunkered down in your own little world and all of a sudden we had all these counterparts of ours coming from the country uh in every day everyone from you know vernon john's running for governor in excuse me in georgia to eric gryton to former governor missouri who's running for u.s senate and all these different pretty uh well-known people and so i started taking them around and getting to know them and the overwhelming reaction that they gave me was oh we're not moving ahead to 2022 until we find the truth of 2020 it is paramount and it really put into focus how other state legislators felt around the country so fast forward to uh august when i went to the three-day cyber symposium in twofold south dakota i saw a lot of these same people and we coalesced at the end of the three days into what's now known as the election integrity caucus of us state senators and state representatives and it's building increasing every day and this is because the u.s constitution says the state legislatures the state legislatures have the plenary power to oversee the u.s presidential election and a lot of people don't realize this and why did the founders uh wisely set it up this way it's because the state legislatures are closest to the people and so here we are now with other states ginning up possible audits in their states or parts of their state we also now separately have had a canvas in maricopa county of some precinct what is that is that related to the audit no it's a separate standalone effort that was undertaken by private citizens because we would have liked to have done a canvas within the audit contract but we couldn't because the federal government was breeding down our necks and president bam had to make a command decision and to preserve and save the audit uh we uh said we would not do a canvas what is a canvas a canvas is when in this case very astute uh volunteers went door to door and said oh uh we've noticed that um eight people voted here from this home um are are they all in residence here and the respondent at the door would say uh no i'm the only one who's lived here for 20 years oh really okay so boom that's eight ghost votes as it were or they'd go to an empty lot where allegedly you know dozens of people voted from and it'd be an empty lot so what they did this canvassing uh a group of citizens compiled a report that showed over 200,000 questionable votes uh cast essentially in this maricopa county uh component of the u.s presidential election that as your listeners may know uh came out about i don't know week and a half two weeks ago so you asked me well how does that uh dovetail with what will come out in the audit folks it's it's kind of like the four gospels okay they each tell the story from a different perspective but they fit together to uniformly uh come out with the same conclusion of the story and so that's kind of how i look at the canvas uh and the audit they dovetail they uh inter lock to tell the same conclusive story and as that if i can interrupt you is the audit just maricopa county or is it all of arizona oh it's just maricopa county it's 2.1 million ballots and we have 15 counties i represent parts of four other counties maricopa county is the bulk of uh the votership it's 2.1 million ballots and who um who funds this is the legislature or the state funding this audit and canvas no uh we we've had private donations uh and i don't quote me on this i'm not sure if some component of it was paid for uh by the state i i'm not sure but suffice to say it was an expensive undertaking it got more expensive as time went on because the county was so uh obstructionist at first they said oh you know you can do your analysis right here at the county and then they reneged and said no we don't want uh this in our county on our county premises and then they tried to um dump the ballots on us to then uh violate the chain of custody we were uh apparently able to forestall that and we maintained the chain of custody it was one shenanigans after the next we uh were taken to court four times and we were upheld four times uh to be able to continue the audit it was these supervisors are absolutely uh running for cover they know something's wrong they know they messed up and if you ask me well did they purposely uh cheat i mean the the report will determine that but i i kind of describe it as death by a thousand cuts you have pre-cheating cooking of the books of the voter rule that goes on uh year after year month after month especially in urban areas and then you have during the election season uh cheating with you know ineptitude complacency sloppiness and then you have intentional stuff going on like the supervisors having put out or rather one of the election officials in the county having put out a memo to all the election officials saying oh issue a ballpoint 10 to people who come in to vote uh prior to election day but issue a sharpie felt tip markers on election day so you can tell why this show is brought to you by generous joe's the coffee company with the christian perspective this is the answer that christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back to causes you care about order your coffee today at shop generous joe's dot org and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget the coffee you love or the causes you care about well yeah but it's also because who votes on who said as a group they were going to wait till election day to vote republicans yeah because they knew that they couldn't trust the mail witness california yesterday which is a complete cheat we all know it and so uh you know republicans made it very clear hey i'm gonna either walk in to either walk in to the uh polling location on election day or um hand carry my ballot or whatever because i don't trust prior to election day i knocked chris 17 000 doors in northern arizona over the span of many many months i'm kind of legendary for that and in the last three weeks of my door knocking i did well you know you shift right so when you first door knock you go to people in your primary uh voting field republican and then in the general i went to independence because we have a huge amount of independence in northern arizona and then in the last three weeks i went to people who according to the computer had not been in their ballot yet so i wouldn't tell these people people's homes and i'd say hey i'm wendy rogers oh cool you're you're on my doorstep and i say yeah um it shows here that you didn't vote yet i'm just saying we need to turn out the vote please vote and they go oh oh wendy i'm i'm not voting till election day i heard that overwhelmingly and that was independent and republican so that bespeaks the fact that that group of type of voter um you know waited till election day maricopa county knew this so that's why they put that message out to do sharpie so you know that is i mean for all attempts and purposes conspiratorial but i think a lot of it is just sloppiness um that we we've never audited before which is really incredible if you think about it every profession known command is auditable except our election and yet that forms the bedrock of our democracy i mean what is wrong with that picture right so absolutely i encourage everyone uh to do an audit of any county that has had the machine and of late i encourage citizens to do canvassing well what's going to happen you said the canvassers found and we've only got a few more minutes here but in one case maybe hundreds of people on an empty lot are those thrown out or are they still being counted well apparently they were counted i mean it's hard to say what it does is it calls into question the result and if the result is called into question then it's on us state legislators to call for decertification of what was turned in to the federal government as far as certification was concerned back in january so are you legally allowed to discern so let's say the audit comes back and shows fraud or whatever is there a time limit or can you still decertify those votes we can absolutely decertify uh we should decertify i've already said to decertify uh for my part in the state senate and the state house and so it's on us after all the findings are rendered to say as each as an individual decertify and that's what other states can do the hope is that we decertify in arizona and then other states follow suit so senator let's just say for the sake of for the sake of conversation if enough states decertified or there were enough votes where it did turn the tide let's say of the presidential election what would happen does the congress have to ignore it or can they are they forced to move forward and do something the congress can then decide to have one vote per state per the constitution uh to to elect the president again it's right there in the constitution each state has either a republican or a democrat majority in its state legislature which then defines that state as quote-unquote republican or democrat and uh right now there's a majority of quote-unquote republican states based on the compositions of their state legislatures uh and that that's prescribed in the constitution so you know that this is this is uncharted waters and we don't know people asking you this all the time you know what what could happen i didn't really know i will tell you that my job is twofold number one find the truth of 2020 and number two enact legislative bills when we go back into session in january we're a part-time legislature uh to uh forestall this from happening again in 2022 we have a late primary it's in august i'm not sure when north carolina says i think it's kind of late i know it's more oh marks never mind then uh but you know for us we have a timetable to work with to enact legislation so that that's really sort of the corollary to follow on but the the preeminent job as a state legislature for me as a state legislator is to get to the bottom of the truth of 2020 and then come what may on each step taken after that in terms of you know how we navigate this with the u.s constitution well senator i want to thank you for what you're doing because it's not just for the citizens of arizona but you're leading the fight across the country for people to take a closer look at what happened in the election and more importantly to be ready in the future to prevent voter fraud and to fight for voter integrity before you sign off can you give us our website where people can follow you and learn more what happens in this process yes i i encourage every one of you to please please go to my website to sign the petition to decertify the presidential election so this is what you do you go to wendy rogers.org so it's simply my name wendy like the hamburgers w-e-n-d-y rogers like mr rogers r-o-g-e-r-s.org wendy rogers.org and in the upper right corner of the landing page is a link i want you to please click on that link to sign to decertify the presidential election of 2020 it is a national petition it is symbolic in nature but it is hugely powerful because we want 1 million signatures on that petition and at last count we had over 900,000 signatures this is a huge way for you to be counted to be down and known as someone who disapproves would elect to decertify if you were an elected official this is you being able to say i think we should decertify the presidential election of 2020 so go to wendy rogers.org upper right corner click sign to decertify so that you can be heard i really would appreciate it you would be joining all these hundreds of thousands of americans from across the country well folks you heard it thank you senator rogers for being with us today go to wendy rogers.org and sign the petition to decertify the presidential election ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining me today i'm chris hughes and this is the christian perspective please subscribe and like our podcast and share it with your friends on social media now let's go impact the culture for jesus thank you for listening the christian perspective with chris hughes learn more about impacting the culture for jesus visit christian perspective.us this show 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