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September 3, 2021 1:00 am
Mark Holder of Trail Life USA, a premier national character development organization for young men and a traditional Christian alternative to Boy Scouts of America, joins Chris to talk about the organization's faith-based values and the opportunities offered to the young men of tomorrow.
Hello this is Matt slick from the match looked like podcast right defend the Christian faith and lay out our foundation of the truth of God's word for chosen Truth Network podcast is starting in just a few seconds. Enjoy it, share it, but most of all, thank you for listening and for choosing The Truth Podcast Network. This is the Truth Network. This show is brought to you by generous euros coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back to causes you care about. Order your copy today at shop generous Joe's.and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget the coffee you love or causes you care about. Welcome to the Christian perspective this is a show where we look in God's word in order to develop a biblical worldview that we can then take in a modern culture. I don't know about you but I was pretty upset a few years ago when the Boy Scouts started allowing homosexual group leaders in and then I think they might even take girls now and they changed a lot of their previous moral code and I was really upset when that happened, didn't know if there was another alternative but now I know that there is Chris using our guest today represents a great Christian organization called trail life USA Mark Holder I want to thank you so much for being here with us today and telling our listeners just what trail life is how are you today are you more about, say, and what we can or what our receipt. Well I'm excited to have you here I was, why was never really a Boy Scout.
I was a Cub Scout many, many years ago but I've always loved the scouting process and and and I'm a southern Baptist. We have something called RA's which is will a Masters it's it's kind of based on scouting out on a few for me with them and, in some churches, but of always love the concept of young men being able to get out and do things in particular if their fathers participate in just having I think male bonding is important is important for young men to have an example in their lives to help them out so I know there were some problems and were not really your talk negative about Boy Scouts, but tell us a little bit about what led to the formation of trail off. I have a good friend and I know if I share with you John stem burger I think was one of the founders of trail life.
John is a friend of mine I think is an attorney in Florida and was with the Christian organization called the Florida policy Council, but tell us a little bit about why you got started and what your leader develop a fully laid out what they should wait after encountering out in the starting price cross standard secondary adjunct member Hancock was one of them brought in Patty Garibay, the founder of American girl very well. They needed a girl at this meeting, it was established photographic rest.culture along the right and he was right always come Christian Christian leader, and more importantly Christian father Christian that was basically how we were left working that is so important because we live in a society today where your divorce is prevalent in many times the father is absent from the home and it is just so important for a young man to grow up and realize that he has a biblical responsibility. Be faithful to his wife and be active in his children's lives is their growing up so so you been in place eight years and and you mentioned your your kind of like a scouting program. What sets trail life apart from you. Like I mentioned RA's or other groups that might be involved, whether in church or out of the church from previous groups all church charter treatment that they own that treatment once one state to the bidding process, they all pretended it and become a ministerial outreach of local church into the community with the sole purpose of growing up boys their band and ultimately their families bearing the picture a big church on your your waking go local tailor the theology of that crew to match that church.
We are nondenominational that we do a range of churches that we work in order to charter a trait I need to be able USA bag you in making the trip, so the cost involved for the majority, the trooper just say that they agree with what you believe their dollar charter fee when they get to start then if they get to the point to where they're ready to get a $300 chartering feet in each boy charter right now and you just $28 for every adult is approaching $30 a year. This is just boys is is trail life right there not girls that are members we we do have a sister organization called heritage girl it out.
Patty Garibay started in and actually 20 years ago were not patiently, but we do work and it and with that organization.
The same churches that we have to girls Same opportunity, class some work on it with you over the years we've heard horror stories of different leaders of different organizations is really kind of vetting process like this is my church wanted to start this and we had two or three men that wanted to be leaders today go through like a security background check or your one of the qualifications and 40: what is it a den leader or what you call the local leaders. When we got we got that we got a senior senior ministry leader. It would be a pastor or an associate pastor in the church. He was responsible for keeping an eye on it & electric. The person works with that in conjunction with the treatment called ministry liaison their part of that to be part of that layer have we have true master committee chair, Treas. chaplain and a is risk that court is actually making leadership true each and every member edited by this date has to go through criminal background check is a nationwide check and they have to do that every two and then we help you sell you things take pictures. Program timing that we go through and it's pretty and it teaches you how to spot predators have actually observed and found that it would seek to find out that we can alone make Them out that they could do think it would not be appropriate trying to teach you how to spot anywhere very adamantly have to delete leadership.
We never have boy along with the later one-on-one.
We require Viterbi leaders and the presence of every boy in AND we also provide or start started the trip. We promote a buddy system, but we don't want to but we want at least three boys together at all times.
We have no you don't, you fix this so important. Sounds like you put a lot of thought into that yet.
The Bible tells us to avoid even the appearance of impropriety and with the steps that you put in place.
I mean that nothing is ever foolproof, but that sure if those guidelines are followed is to be very hard for a predator to be able to take advantage of voice as I commend you for the work that your team is done in setting that process up so you so we talked about what a church could you how they would start.
I guess before we leave that part of it. Do they so someone listening is listening today and they want to start a troop of their church do they go to a website.
Do they call you to have regional folks across the country.
What what would be the step for Alyssa right now. This is while I did know about them and I want to do this in our church. We do have a website.com when you go there first page that you arrive at had to act in the middle age persons just find a troop and asked for any boy or family was looking for. Treat your body thinking about an insect when it started to click on that link there not one in your area you are interested in starting that treatment and you click on that button you can fill out information and someone will contact Out after Church to Sign off on Be Able to Start and Basically That We Believe in the Triune God and That God Father God the Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
We Believe the Scriptures Both Old and New Testaments Are the Inerrant Inspired Word of God. We Believe That Every Man and Girl Created in the Image of God Sole Purpose of Glorifying Him in There with Their Service and Then Lastly Surely Not Least, We Believe Sexual Purity Should Be Maintained until You're in a Covenant Marriage Relationship between One Man and One Church Can Sign off on the Way to Start the Lock You Some Great Principles.
Really Every Christian Should Abide by Their Own Life so so Sounds like You Got A Lot Of the Cover Will Tell Me I'm on the Coyote in a Little Rabbit Trail Here, but Tell Me What It Looks like to Be a Boy in Trail Life. I Know When I Was a Cub Scout.
We Wore Uniforms and I Can't Reference Once a Week Ago We Went to a Meeting.
So Do They Wear Uniforms.
We Are Green and Black Monthly Grain Black Shoulder with a Rich Family about We Do All We Leave It up to the Individual Church on How Far They Want to Go. Some Churches Only Require Class a Shirt and It Bored Where We Keep When We Are Little Bit Flexible in That We Church to Become What Their Congregation Can Work with Their Lower Income Area so We Don't Force That on Any Trip Meetings of Churches May Classify Some Meat Every Week of the Month, but We Do Take Healthcare Kick Approach and We Know You All for a Quick Care for You.
Not Only a Churchy Way to Make Them Sit down and Have a Black since the Lesson so We Believe in Writing That That Care Is Capable of Healthcare We Incorporate a Little Bit of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Everything We Did the Boys Getting on Quality Does We Know We've Got Combat Top Estimate Should It Was Enjoyed Doing More Do They Wear Uniforms to Wear Uniforms and Starting Dates to the Other. To Earn Patches to Put on Uniforms Didn't Have in Our Cornerstone Capital Freedom Award Once They Move into the Navigator Section of Our Session. I Start Work toward Freedom Award. Freedom Award Is about Twice As Hard Earned What Eagle Scout Is Now You Cannot Order to Write You and Always Include a Job They Parted Well so They Have To Have a Discipleship Track to Go along with Their Freedom Will in Order to Get There for so so like the Boy Scouts Is Called Eagle Scout. So Your Highest Award Is Called the Freedom Award. They Also Reduce I Know You Said There's a Christian Aspect to Winning That Award Do They Have To Do a Thing. Eagle Scouts Have To Do Some Kind Special Service Project Is or Something like That Involved for the Freedom Award There Would Be out in the Community Somewhere but They Also Have To Do a Cross Gendered Part of That Service Directly Giving Back to Their Church That Could Involve You Missions That Could Involve Local Missions. You Can about International Missions, They Do They Are Required to Do That Is Called Work. The Last Award and They Have To Do They Have To Be Able to Ship Have To Demonstrate That Discipleship out in the Field and They Make No Is There an Opportunity. As I Mentioned I Was in the Royal Ambassadors Trail Often Exist When I Was a Boy and I Was Able to Earn a $500 Scholarship to College Which Really Help Me out down the Line Whether Any Scholarships or Financial Opportunities Associated with the Freedom Award or Other Levels Let out a Little Secret Here Offered a Scholarship Might and That Would Be Erskine College in Key West, South Carolina Scholarship Available for Anyone with Us That Some People Need to Do This College Is so Expensive These Days and so If You Get a Scholarship You Know Bob by Being Involved in Trail Life and Entering Your Freedom Award That Might Be Something Parents Want to Look at Now You When They're Planning for Their Children in the Future. This Show Is Brought to You by Generous Joe's Coffee Company with the Christian Perspective, This Is the Answer That Christians and Conservatives Have Been Looking for a Coffee Company That Gives Back Causes You Care about.
Order Your Copy Today at Shop Generous Joe's.and Even Subscribe to a Subscription Coffee Plan and Never Forget the Coffee You Love or Causes You Care about. So, Are There Different Levels and Again I Am Not May Not Be Used Right Termini When I Was Young. As I Mentioned I Was in Cub Scouts so the Cub Scouts Were for Younger Boys Are There Different Levels in Trail Life or Just All Age Boys Go to the Same Meeting with Kate and We All Click Really Expert Groups. The First One Being the Woodlands Trail Which Is the Elementary School Boys Age Is Broken Right Patrol Cannot Keep up Right Now and Then Plastic Great with Hawks in the Fourth and Fifth Grade 3 Patrol Once They Call the Light out the Navigators Which Would Be Safe. Great. And What They Going to Say Your Week They Move into the Injured Area Which Would Be Not Frequent.
Greg Broken down Went with Navigators Eventually Be in the One Some Freedom. You Were Compared to What the Boy Scouts Were You Would like I Would Be Closer Cub Scout Rights to the Typical Meeting like an Hour and 1/2 Two Hours Long, and What Happens Is Is Her Scripture Memorization. Others Stories or Are They Doing Something, What, What's a Meeting Look like When We Concrete Meeting. Always Start with the American Flag A Lot like American Flag When You Have a Player in the Color Guard Towers and We We Deftly Encouraged to Treat Chaplain Then to Have the Ocean the Whole Truth. They Are Said to Be Covered and Then Control Is Usually Breakout Groups and Their Pacific Things Our Witness Trail Has As Adjoining Fashion When They Pleasantly Flag and Learned AND THEY CAN STAND BRANCHES LIKE SPORTS AND HOBBIES.
CHRISTIAN HERITAGE IS DIFFERENT THIS THING. THERE LAST YEAR TO GET BRANCHES THAT ARE APPLYING LEARNING WITHOUT.THEY USUALLY BREAKOUT AND BADGE WORK IT OUT THIS FUNCTION.
A LOT ON FUNCTION. IT IS BUOYANTLY YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER ACTUALLY PROGRAM TOGETHER. WE, IN THEIR PARKING LOT SHOULD BEAR LEADING TEACHING WERE DEVELOPING SHIP THAT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT IT REALIZED THAT IT WAS LED BY THE TRUE MEMBERS BECAUSE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT IS SUCH A HUGE SKILL SO I COMMEND YOU FOR HAVING THAT TRAINING YOU MENTIONED CHRISTIAN HERITAGE OR SHOULD YOU TEACH THEM ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN HERITAGE OF OUR NATION.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY CHRISTIAN HERITAGE. ANY CHRISTIAN CHURCHES AND FAMILY WILL WEEK WE WILL WE GET INTERNET DEVELOPING THAT NOMINATION ALONG THEIR CHURCH SO THAT THAT'S SO BENEFICIAL AND THEN IS TOO MANY CHRISTIANS TODAY DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WONDERFUL THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS OR TRAIL LIFE USA IS A MENTION THERE ARE OTHER ORGAN THAT YOU LIKE A ONE IS A BIG PROGRAM IN CHURCHES. DO YOU CONFLICT WITH THESE OTHERS GO TO CHURCH AND HAS A ONE RAZ HAVE EXAMPLES OF CHURCHES THAT ALSO HAVE A TRAIL LIFE TROOP UP HOW TO STROLL OFF WORK WITH THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN A CHURCH OR DENOMINATION OWN RANGERS AND CHRISTIAN SERVICE BRIGADE, SO WEIGHT WOULD COMPLETE WITH YOU. WE CHURCH FOR LUNCH OR WE WOULD NOT CONFLICT WITH IRAS OR A LOT OF PROGRAM LIKE THATů THEY'RE NOT REALLY OUTDOOR TEACHER PROGRAM THERE MORE MISSION PATIENT ORIENTED THINGS FOR THERE WERE A LOT OF CHURCHES THAT HAVE RA AND HAVE WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. I REALLY ENCOURAGE OUR CHURCHES AND PASTORS AND OTHERS THAT ARE LISTENING OR MAYBE YOU'RE JUST A PARENT TO GO TO THE WEBSITE OF HIS TRAIL LIFE USA.COM IS A GREAT MARK AND CHECK THEM OUT. MARK SEVERAL TIMES YOU'VE MENTIONED OUTDOOR ADVENTURES. WHAT IS THE OUTDOOR ASPECT DO YOU GOING ON CAMPING TRIPS TO LEARN HOW TO MAKE FIRES. WHAT IS THAT SIDE OF YOUR ORGANIZATION.
WE DO IT ALL ABOUT WHAT AND WE WE SPEAK.
BOB, AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR TO TAKE THE WHOLE TRUTH OUT ON THE Truck CAN'T Navigate and Ensure All Age Level. We Think Will Work out Backpacking in 1215 Miles out. Most Multiple Sector Backpacking.
Everything They're Gonna Need to Get by on Their Backs As They Go out and Buy Local.
We Partnered with Trip from the Neighboring State of Georgia Back in March and We Did a 12.2 Mile Target on Friday and Finished up Sunday Afternoon and That Week We Would Start with Half Point South Carolina Assessment Mountain Mountain A Lot Going on That You Church Service at Work, You Can Work on Creation. What Better Place to Have a Church Service Where It Got Lori Manifest Lot in Front of You. What Amount That Had to Be so Much Fun I'm I'm Jealous. I'm Picturing You All Doing That I Know Is a Boy's Promise of My Best Memories Are When My Father Would Go Camping with Me with Church Groups like You Again You and I'm Using RA's As an Example. You're Just Great Memories of My Dad and Friends That I Got to Know and That Are Still Friends over the Years and You Learn How to Make a Campfire.
Some of the Finest Times or Sit around a Campfire Cooking Away near a Marshmallow or Something but Did to Tie That in with Learning about Jesus to Just This Sounds like Such a Great Organization and and We've Only Got a Couple More Minutes Mark.
But If Churches Want to Do This Again a Trail Life USA and We Been Talking about the Outdoor Adventure and the Different Things That the Organization Is Done so Mark You You Mentioned Earlier, Just so We Clarify A Few Things of Folks. This Is a Boy Only Organization Right No Girls yet and and What Tells Again. The Age Requirements and Are You Kinda Covered.
The Groups Were What Are the Age Requirements. If People Are Okay. Okay, in an Folks If You Didn't Catch the Beginning of That They Have Different Age Group so Your Your Kindergartners Not in a Group with the Junior Senior from High School There a Specific Group so They Break down to and Then the Boys Are in Their Way As They Grow Older and in Merriment Badges and so Forth. They They Were the Way through the Program until They Finally End and in Which He Called the Freedom Award Right Mark so I'm Just a I'm Excited about What You Guys Are Doing and I'm I'm Really Praying for You As You Grow, How How Large You Now Many Troops Do You Have Any or All over the Country. We Are in All 50 States, 835,000 Later.
We Have Experienced Growth This Year and We Dated January 1, We Added 160. While about 6000. That's Just Just Incredible, Even in Hawaii You Have Troops Which We Can Use to Live in A While over There but You They Don't Always Have Everything We Have on the Mail and so I'm Glad That You've Expanded Their into Alaska Earth.
Are There Plans to Go International. At Some Point When We Look at It but We Didn't Realize It Was Sweet Sure Didn't. The Laws of Another Country and We Will Religious Freedom We Have Here in United States and in No Way Do We Want to Compromise the Gospel of Jesus Christ That Had about Mark, Thank You so Much for Being with Us Today. Folks, the Organization Is Called Trail Life Together Website Trail Life USA.com. You Need to Start One of These Organizations within Your Church Started Troop in Your Church Because Young Boys Need to Learn How to Be Godly Christian Men down the Line and This Is a Great Program to Teach Them Masculine Things to Let Them Be around Other Boys Which Need to Be Done and Be in the Company of Godly Men Marker Praying for You and We Thank You so Much for Being with Us Today.
Thank You so Much Completely about Ministry and Go Forward Sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ and We Moved All My Mama Look Forward to Having Again down the Line. Learning More about Your Organization As You Grow Folks. Thank You for Joining Me Today. I'm Chris Hughes and This Is a Christian Perspective. Please Subscribe like a Podcast and Please Share with Your Friends on Social Media Ellis Go Change the Culture for Jesus. This Show Is Brought to You by Generous Jobs. The Coffee Company with the Christian Perspective, This Is the Answer That Christians and Conservatives Have Been Looking for a Coffee Company That Gives Back Causes You Care about. Order Your Copy Today at Shop Generous Joe's.and Even Subscribe to a Subscription Coffee Plan and Never Forget Coffee You Love or Causes You Care about. This Is the Truth Network