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August 27, 2021 1:00 am
Dr. Chris Hughes is joined by biologist Hallmon Hughes, who shares information about the vaccine and answers some pressing questions, such as: What types of vaccines are available, and what are the differences? Is it safe? How does the vaccine prevent or lessen the effects of the virus? Why are some people more susceptible to the virus than others? And how do our antibodies fight the disease?
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Should your family. Take the vaccine I'm Christie's it will go to explore a hot topic in the world today that sings are they saying should you and your family. Take the vaccine.
I will look at this issue not from a political perspective, but from a scientific perspective, today's guest is a biologist who understands issue much better than me. She's a graduate of Emmett Emory University where she studied biology.
She's in her final year of her Masters work at Johns Hopkins University where she studies molecular biology and immunology home and he is welcome to the Christian perspective while but I'm excited about this topic because a lot of people in the world right they are trying to figure out should I take the vaccine. There's some people say the politics involved. Others are just scared about what the effect might be of taken a vaccine that is not been approved by the government officially and so there a lot of questions out there today of this little different type of show that were doing but since this important topic. We want our people to be able learn about the vaccine and have a security in it and a safety net of knowing whether or not they should take it.
So first of all, tell us a little bit of October 19 what is it and what's happening in the world today share July 19 currently has a 1.8 mortality rate percentage variation in death rates are often attributed to socioeconomic factors which may result in impacting their access to healthcare and scientists often attribute those without symptoms to be resistors to the virus so the worst of the causes of the virus. So first of all, cooking 19 is a disease caused by the SARS Cove to virus and SARS Cove two is an RNA plus antivirus, which essentially means that it can be directly translated into proteins in a host cell now only talk about vaccines will hear about mRNA vaccines and you will reason why mRNA vaccines where considered for development. With regards to COBIT is because it is an RNA sends virus and is generally associated with the common cold or an upper respiratory disease. Her people talking about their immune response and I don't really know what out of former listeners. Note what is a mere them. You can even say it right in immune response and what is a immune response to the coronavirus so infects macrophages which are these large cells that consume invaders and essentially eating them as part of the innate immune system and the innate immune system is part of the immune system that we have had with this birth. These pages are cells will then take antigens which are tiny pieces of the invader and into something called T cells for priming.
So what this means is that these cells start something called action and one specific important cytokine is: CD8 plus which is kind like Coke and special forces because the cells use pieces of the invaders that were collected earlier to kill infected cells known as the adaptive immune response because the body is adapted by taking pieces of the invader and teaching itself to kill cells with straight enemies CD8 plus special forces cells are very important in this coven response to the responsible for 80% of the adaptive immune response in the lungs, while those respective the government sure a volatile live hello diverse murder of illusory waters there which are saying there so ours are the special forces soldier magic the antibodies as it is at what they are in English now. So what these cells do is they basically tell infected cells to kill themselves in order to knockout cells with to knockout cells that presents deep disease articles but I can also go into what antibodies are there a little bit different over here a lot about antibodies as well so these cells are trying to save us and protect us from what did you just described. Right from the crime yes okay that's in our body already. These cells in our body already, but they have to be trained to identify particles that are unique to coronavirus is probably what we do vaccine that will talk about a minute. So how are these cells different from an antibody what is antibody and how does that work body is a large white sheep protein and its use by the immune system to identify and neutralize foreign invaders and their composed in this interlining heavy chain which is shaped like a Y and that all diseases like cane on the outer rim that allows for engines to find that are specific to certain diseases.
Actually, antibodies are created during the adaptive immune response to bind and recognize disease cells, they can be removed from the bottom and reporting: because they binds to something called a receptor binding domain, which is essentially a locking mechanism that coven uses to enter the cells by binding to the area with a locking key, so to speak, meet the device to prevent the virus from entering the host cell to replicate any receptor that we look at encoding 19 is called East to East to receptor is particularly interesting because it is expressed on a variety of cells throughout the body, which means that SARS Cove to can infect cells in a wide range of areas in the body and it's also involved in this system with the acronym RAS which is important because it is vital in tissue injury inflammation and vascular permeability and vasoconstriction so all this is because patients can develop potentially lethal blood clots in internal bleeding based off of which cells the SARS Cove to virus infects so effective. Natural clearing of Cove in 19 from the body for the people who can actually clear COBIT without undergoing severe treatment involves the use of those CD8 cells, which are those special forces cells neutralizing antibodies which can identify foreign particles and another type of cell called a CD4 T-cell which brings in those eating cells from earlier and regulate the function of the special forces cell so that this full trifecta people really have issues clear until the 19 actually okay so we have these antibodies already in us there, not from the vexing we already have the interlining structure of the antibody in our body. But what a vaccine strives to do is to help the anti-body develop that outer layer that is used to recognize disease specific antigens and antigen. As I said earlier, is just a foreign particle that the body recognizes a disease particle so so people right now are getting coven and their body has a little special forces. So as you describe them simplifying it for me because I'm not a scientist this so that we have the special force guys in her body.
Working on it.
The antibodies are also want to check to get the certification C4's are correct the CD4 or CD4. So what does do is they just regulate the special forces cells in the also bring in more of those eating cells from the first stage, and all that's happening naturally, a large, from from what I've read a large percentage of people are getting well from coven and not die for. Over the may get sick.
Some never even show any symptoms at all.
From what I've read so this because these three things within our body are attacking the disease if you will and and is coronavirus a disease by the way, so Cove in 19 but it is caused by the virus are Cove to also seen Asarco line back in 2003, but it didn't make near as much of a of a standing in the news because there was far less spread of it and it wasn't for lack of better term politicize as much politics of the weight of a big part of this as I would get in politics. But I wonder none of it.
Have you picture this? You know we never hear of anybody getting the normal flu anymore which is kind of interesting to me with only the Cove in 19 virus which is a type of flu. I guess right it's it's flu as well. It's not technically a flu but it is still an upper considered upper respiratory disease which is also the flu is also considered an upper respiratory is okay so some people as image of a lot of people are getting well from letter for the body's healing naturally through the process that I assume you just discussed, but a lot of people are also getting very very sick so what's happening in the use of severe cases of what's different there from those who might have it and and so I headed about a year ago in it was not pleasant. I was very very sick but I wouldn't really have a vaccine available time when I had it. What happens in the severe cases, so the cases are characterized by something alongside. So what on earth is a prolonged cytokine storm. Essentially, the body produces up to 50 times more inflammatory cells, which trigger widespread tissue and damage which if you remember from earlier saying that that receptor is involved in pelvic was tied to tissue development. So when you mess up that receptor you can result in tissue damage. All across the body and in addition, the body begins releasing immune responses for very different diseases. That was a couple examples of those would be a fungal responses and heartworm responses. So essentially the immune responses so it is regulated. It's not even triggering for the right pathogen and this cytokine storm is maintained by the high viral load results in all his other issues in patients okay so it's loaded with languages we can understand. So our body is basically inflaming from a sickness to promoters in literature say and and internally our lungs, or whatever. Zechariah.
So basically immune system is just going haywire is producing way more immune way away larger immune response than what it should be producing and it's producing immune responses to diseases that are even in your body. So your body doesn't know what this diseases so is just own whatever it's got that and it just causes your body to go absolutely haywire because it is throwing these other things.
So guess it may not necessarily be the virus itself that is causing the complications from the virus. With the way that your body is reacting in a minute. Go to retro Europe is overcome, but these severe cases will get into the vaccine in more detail minute.
So, basically, is the vaccine helping communicate your body. This is the way to heal it. Instead of throwing all these hundreds of other things that what vaccine most strives to do is to identify coven 19 as early as possible before other things can start happening in the body. So by identifying and preventing it from entering the cell. He had a locking C Ace two receptor system calls we call talk about earlier. It prevents coven from entering the cell and it stops a lot of the stuff from happening before. So your immune system basically catches it earlier on. Okay, so, so, with a severe cases and before getting what they probably think is a bad case of the flu or cold in the beginning because it upper when you say upper respiratory does that mean that were coughing, fever about going to another river trail.
One of the symptoms. How do we know if that's what were start again. What are some of the symptoms of an upper respiratory illness. While traditionally when you think about her respiratory issue. Illness is you think of mucus production, coughing and sore throat and things like that coven.
It's been really interesting to see that the symptoms don't really seem to be consistent on stations, especially with regards to patients with no symptoms at all.
So it's kind of fun almost a new round I file for a lot of people because they're used to being able to determine whether sick with just by their symptoms, whereas coven to get a test and possibly weight a couple of weeks even find out what your sick with so if somebody has used the term mucus something. What do you say I think I said mucus production production which they can watch herbs and runny nose, but runny nose like lots of mucus in your throat just overall congestion from your area so you feel like you're getting a cold coming on, and you get a favorite that point, you should probably go get tested right well nowadays they make it tested even before you have those symptoms because you can have no symptoms and test what I'm saying of some resources use, they should probably get tested. Probably yeah and I think I read somewhere earlier this week that you can actually buy take-home tested some drugstores now which I did know was about but I've heard that sometimes does have as low as 58% accuracy. I'm not absolutely certain on that but I heard that it's not necessarily guaranteed to give you the respect right result. The first go around so so for those of you listening. I guess if you start to have symptoms or think you have symptoms, you could go.
You can search within your carrier a lot of websites about coven 19 available and you can search by your county and you can find out where you can get tested and where you get the vaccine. So either your normal health provider or probably any of the major drugstores what Walgreens or her room there mama is going to CVS or oval or Walmart pharmacy.
Probably any of those have the test available. If nothing else you can go to your local health department Nokia speak for all cases.
I'm not sure when exactly the these the test is free but it almost all cases are no the vaccine is free.
Okay, so we were talking about severe cases, so our body tries to if we have not been vaccinated.
Our body tries to just throw all these things out us. Interested healers and because of what our body is doing and it doesn't know where to send those receptors are where we are called into into fight that case we get sicker. So what is the difference in the severe case, then in a note were distorting the touch vaccine was a difference in someone who has not been back since vaccinated someone who has been vaccinated when they are getting sick. What is the body different so basically, the differences time sprain so somebody who has not been vaccinated. They have to have their immune system develop a response and be able to identify coven that was causing coven 19 so the idea of the vaccine is you either a provide a viral vector which is used in the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which means that you put in you inject a nonfunctional version of SARS coven to into a patient in order for their immune system to have time to process and identify what would cause coven 19 without having severe side effects from coven would be waived by the functional so basically this looks like coven 19 sometimes it's a chill version of coven 19 otherwise is just an end in active version of SARS coven to which cause coven 19 so it's the idea behind it is you don't injure yourself by having this disease causing particle in your body but it gives your body time to learn what it looks like so if it ever comes into contact with it again. It will be able to recognize it instantly. Hopefully, so this is in comparison with somebody who doesn't have any interaction with SARS Cove to before getting infected with the disease and is having to play catch-up because it's trying to fend off the symptoms of coven, 19 all at the same time trying to identify it and prepare other cells in your body, not a response against his buddies.
We call Vargas talking about. This is given me so subliminal thoughts about the sickness, so there is a difference our body. That's why some people believe that the vaccine is so important because it our bodies basically prepared to fight it.
I guess in a different sense to fill all these crazy things out. It after we had the vaccine or body knows how to fight. So one thing that is important to note is, you can still be infected by SARS Cove to after having a vaccine. The only difference is whether or not your body is able to identify it more quickly, which is the hope of the vaccines will never be infected or you cannot transmit something else which is why the CDC keeps changing these mass guidelines. As you can still carry coven 19 be infected with it, but not the symptoms. Because your body is able to stop it before.
Okay alright so so home and you failed it on something on one of, go down another trail here.
You said we can still get it everywhere. The vaccine and I think that's the thing is confusing all the public in the past with people to the vaccine for the monster polio or smallpox, chickenpox, or whatever they thought, okay, I can never get sick of vaccine means I will never get it and I think this is the first time in modern history where people are hearing. That's not true. If you get the vaccine. You can still get sick.
That is the message that is confusing our listeners because they've always been told vaccine prevents it and you just said it does. I think a lot of this is on error of public health programs improperly informing people and what vaccines do.
We've been telling people that they need to have their children vaccinated against and ask directly support vaccines, but we haven't been fully explained to people how vaccines work and why they're important.
So yes, you can still get infected. But what's different is that your body knows how to find this disease particle and destroy it before it results in a lot of symptoms in you getting very sick because your body is prepared is not that you cannot interact with it or cannot be brought your body and it's just that your body is prepared to deal with the sale yet. I think this is a very confusing thing because most of our listeners out there gonna go live. Second, vaccine means I'm about to get it in worsening people not only get coven 19 after they've had the vaccine, but died from. And because of that a lot of people are saying will take the vaccine. Why should I take it if is not going to keep me from forgetting you've explained there.
There's no way to keep somebody from dying of her intended to die from you just explained your body has a better chance of finding if they fit well another thing that's important to note is, it does take that trifecta. I talked on from earlier. So if you have any immune response defect that means your body may have a harder time fighting is also some things that make more predisposed harsh experiences of the 19 first of all, having a respiratory disorder which I think is pretty self-explanatory. From our discussion earlier, but also BMI may play a role because our facts are what is BMI.
BMI is a measure of your fat proportions. Your body and basically this is important because your fat cells also known as cells actually play a role in regulating your immune system so if you're overweight you could be more likely yes, but certain partial response to coven 19 and also diabetes is characterized by an over expression of something which is called interleukin six, which goes back to that cytokine storm from earlier because it further and further increases the inflammation experienced by patients undergoing those longitudinal cases of COBIT and also cardiovascular disease may play a role since Asarco twos interaction with that receptor we talked about earlier could result in blood clotting. So there's a lot of other body factors that can interact in coven. So even if your body knows coven looks like other areas of your body that are already producing things that would decode the facts may still play a role.
So if you're over was the babies heart disease or some kind of respiratory long situation, your bodies basically weaker and you're more susceptible to the disease and possibly even death from what we just got a few minutes left the MAC people to get coven are actually dying from her. Ours is about 80% of the district for people over 65.
It is true yes so violent. This happened one immune system is less effective is age. And furthermore, there's a part of the immune system known as Olympus site which is acutely lower his age and what Kino is the organization of health factors. If you got other things going on your body. Your body is obviously putting more energy into eating those other aspects than just focusing on COBIT so you just have more overall your fighting in your immune system is under more stress so so we just got a few minutes left.
Only real quickly about the vaccine another several times and there. There are some in other countries with either basically three of the United States.
What are they, what's the difference between so personnel according to the CDC quote all currently authorized and recommended coven. 19. Vaccines are safe, effective and reduce your risk of severe, less" so in the states right now on. The CDC has approved Pfizer for those ages 12 and up while magenta and Johnson & Johnson are for ages 18 and so there are three more advisor and Johnson & Johnson now Pfizer in the journal both require two doses. Where's the Johnson & Johnson only requires one was so Pfizer in Missouri are both mRNA vaccines will get into in just a minute, but they function a little bit differently than the viral vector vaccines, which is what Johnson & Johnson so I personally received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Now this is the traditional vaccine option. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a type of viral vector vaccine so viral vector vaccines have been used since the 1970s and essentially an active form of the virus injected into your body.
So how does that work remedy antibodies. We talked about earlier well by inserting these viral vectors were getting our bodies a chance to learn what SARS go to looks like so we can prepare the adaptive immune response to recognize it until early Pfizer vaccines are different because they are mRNA vaccines and why this might be concerning to some people is because mRNA vaccines are relatively new. We do not have the same extensive data on how they impact the body, especially with generational impacts such as pregnancy, infertility, so probably work is by inserting mRNA which is something used by the body to make proteins and this results in triggering the immune response which then produces antibodies and the ideas that these anti-bodies will later protect you when SARS go to insert its own mRNA and your body.
Because whenever we talk about how our Na+ inspires little of both types of vaccines is essentially the same. And I believe a lot of presidency on this issue stems from the relatively quick development of these vaccines and the pressure placed on people by the federal government so so interrupt you sugar three vaccines are there others evidently in other countries around the world, but in the United States.
There are three that are approved for use that the Pfizer Madrona and both of those take two shots was like a two or three week here between taking the roughly 2 weeks was the purpose of the to give your body a chance to react to it so it is basically just two rounds is the virus basically twice, though not exactly. It doesn't give you the virus gives you either an mRNA that's close to what the viruses are approaching basically makes you make proteins that look like what Kobe will make in your bouquet of the Johnson & Johnson is a traditional so what scares people go to wrap it up pretty quickly here. But what scares people about these mRNAs and nothing. Some people realized if you're concerned about the mRNAs in the Johnson & Johnson might be the option for them this week talking, not you, but what is it about mRNA, you should know some people are concerned that it could cause fertility, although there's no science to prove that or disprove it is at the big concern among a lot of people. I think that's one of the major concerns fertility generations.
And while we may have saved Max of probably two years of research on this current vaccines that are out right now.
Those types of questions take many many years to answer.
Okay well there's there's not much that will go to wrap it up so we might have to do it over shoulders, but folks we got pretty deep. Your vision till all the usual smaller part of the movie trivia to wrap it up those records of the we need an so in this with a few statistics of what's currently going on as of five days ago 72% of the adult population in the United States has received at least one goes the Kobe 19 Maxey black and Hispanic people remain less likely than their white counterparts who received the vaccine and data shows that overall 40 different states, the percentage of white people who have received at least one COBIT next vaccine dose was 50% which is roughly 1.3 times higher than the rate for black people of 40% and 1.1 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people and 45% and this is August 16, 2021, and I only bring this up to say that I believe there's a major misconception that white people primarily oppose the vaccine because there are a lot of ethnic and racial minorities that have a lot of concerns about vaccines as well. I think it's important to highlight that this is widespread concern not limited to one racial or ethnic group wall with safe you give us a lot of information to encourage people to do research all is, to give us some links where you can follow the description of the show to learn more about the Cova 19 vaccine. We were encouraged to pray about. Seek the Lord's guidance to do what you feel is best for you and your family all things you been on the show to you all.
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