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Welcome to The Christian Perspective, where we look in God's Word in order to develop a Christian worldview in modern culture. I'm Chris Hughes, and today we have one of the nation's leading scholars and historians on the show. Bill Federer is a nationally known speaker and bestselling author. He's appeared literally on thousands of radio and television programs, and he speaks at conferences and seminars all across the nation.
I'm always excited when I go to a conference, and sometimes I'm speaking, sometimes I'm just there, but when Bill is there, it is exciting for me because I know he's got something great to say. He's written numerous books, and many of his books are in my library, and I would encourage you to get them for your library, because few people know as much about our nation's history as Bill Federer. His Faith in History television show airs on the TCT network, and something that I love, he has something called the American Minute radio feature that is broadcast across the country daily on just hundreds if not thousands of radio stations across the country. And he also has a daily email that, before we get him off the air, we want him to share with us how to get that daily email that talks about the American Minute and gives you a little snippet of history every single day. And then those of you who are regular listeners also, you know that I have a passion for Christians to learn about the Christian heritage of our nation, and I want to tell you that no one knows more about that, in my opinion, than Bill Federer. Bill, thank you so much for being with us today. Well, hey, Chris, I don't know if I can live up to all that great introduction, but it's an honor to be with you.
Well, I'm just excited for you to be here, because so much is going on in our country right now, and I know that you know the history that kind of leads up to things. So what do you see that's happening in culture today? Well, one of the big picture is, I decided years ago to research every civilization that's ever existed on the planet, and it goes back to the Sumerian cuneiform on clay tablets, the Nimrod Tower of Babel, and basically, it's kings. Pharaoh, Caesar, Kaiser, Salt, and Tsar, and as the centuries go on, the kingdoms get bigger, because with military advancements, they can kill more people, so instead of Cain killing Abel with a rock, they can use bronze weapons, or iron weapons, or big long phalanx spears the Greeks had, or a similar sword the Muslims had, or a composite bow that the Mongols had, or gunpowder that the Chinese invented.
The weapon improves, but it's that same fall in nature, Cain killing Abel, and the problem is it's in each of our own human nature. Saint Augustine called it libido dominandi, the lust to dominate. So you put some kids on a playground, one's the bully hogging the ball. You put some junior high girls in a clique, and one of them is the diva, right?
If you're not her friend, you're treated really mean, and then you put some people in the woods, one of them is an indie chief, you put them in an inner city, one of them is a gang leader. So the default setting for human government is for power to concentrate into the hands of one person, and every now and then you get a good king, and they want to centralize power so they can do good more efficiently, but they're not in office forever, and at some point it gets handed down to some son or grandson that's a lousy leader, but they want to stay in power, so they use that concentrated power oppressively. So as the centuries go on, the kingdoms got bigger until the king of England had the biggest empire that planet Earth had ever seen.
13 million square miles, half a billion people, all of India, a quarter of the world's population, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, British Guyana, Canada, Barbados, Jamaica, and America. And so the king of England was a globalist, he was a one-world government guy with him at the top, and America's founders decided they didn't like this so they broke away and flipped it and made the people the king. So kings have subjects who are subjected to the king's will. Republics and democracies have citizens. The word citizen is Greek, it means co-king.
You're a citizen of America, you are a co-king of America. Democracy, a pure democracy is the citizens ruled directly, so every citizen has to be at every meeting, every day to talk about every issue, very time consuming, and since you physically had to be there, it could grow no longer than the distance you could travel in a day, and so they were called city-states. A republic was where you take care of your family and your farm and you have someone in your place that goes to the market every day and talks politics, they are your representative. So you're the king, but you're ruling through representatives, and so the republics could grow larger. And so we pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic, we're basically pledging allegiance to us being in charge of ourselves.
That's such a key, I'm sorry to interrupt you Bill, but that's so important today. When you see on the news, every night some of these leaders on TV keep talking about our democracy, our democracy. They're the leaders of our nation and they fail to understand, like you just said, we're a republic and they work for the people.
So what a great point. Yeah, and we're actually a constitutional republic so that our representatives can't do whatever they want, they have to follow a bunch of guidelines called the constitution, and we're a constitutional republic with rights from a creator. So the purpose of government is we get rights from a creator, the government's job is to protect and guarantee to us our God-given rights. If there is no God, you just get rights from the group, and as long as the group wants to give you them, fine, but if not, as Eisenhower said, in some lands, the state claims to be the author of human rights. If the state gives rights, it can and inevitably will take away those rights.
So the norm is power concentrating, the improvement of weapons, these kingdoms grow bigger, and with the improvement of technology to track. I mean, here's what, 4 BC, Augustus Caesar wanted to have a worldwide tracking system, it's called a census. He wanted to track everybody that was under his thumb.
If he could have had chips and cameras and vaccine apps, he would have done that. So America, we flip it, now where did our fathers get the idea to flip it? From the New England pastors, from the Bible, what part of the Bible, that first 400 years when Israel came out of Egypt before they got King Saul.
So when we talk about these Pharaohs and Caesars and Caesars, there's a big anomaly, something that stands out as different, and it's Israel, around 1400 BC, they come out of Egypt, and for 400 years, they have no king. How do they do this? Well, every single citizen is taught the law, and I try to explain this. Imagine if everybody downloads a behavioral app on their iPhone. Instead of a GPS app telling you turn left 50 yards ahead, it's a behavioral app, and it monitors you in real time. It sees your heart rate is rising, and it says alert, don't lose your temper that person, and it's got GPS cameras and it sees you eyeing something on the table, and you're tempted to steal it, and it says alert, alert.
So everybody downloads this, and the Levi priests were the computer geeks that helped you to download the app. Line up online, precept upon precept, but the big question is why would you follow it? What would motivate you to follow an internal moral?
Thanks to Israel had the key ingredient. There's a God who's watching everyone. He wants you to be fair. He's going to hold you accountable in the future. You're about to steal, nobody's around, you know you can get away with it, and then you think God's watching me. He wants me to be fair.
He's going to hold me accountable in the future. Maybe I should hesitate stealing, and it creates something in your head called a conscience. If everybody in the country really believes this, you can maintain complete order with no police. So you take the power of the king, separate it into the hands of the people, it's chaos. Unless each person has taught the law, why do they follow the law? They're accountable to God. And so this was the model that these New England pastors drew from and instituted into our country. So when we say it's one nation under God, it's more than just a nice little acknowledgement. It's the continual awareness that God exists and he's watching us, he wants us to be fair, he's going to hold us accountable in the future, that motivates us to have law and order with no police. If you get rid of this God, then it's just a power grab. It's just raw, selfish human nature turns into chaos. And when there's chaos, people want someone to come along and fix it. And some governor comes along and he says, I can fix it, I just need some emergency powers.
And the rubber band snaps back and you're back to a king like a King Saul. And that's kind of where we've gotten over the past year, isn't it? Oh, it is. And so that's the big picture, you know, 30,000 feet in an airplane picture. Why is this important? Clearly, there's a global goal in mind. If any of these kings and pharaohs and Caesars didn't die, any one of them would have been happy to have the world under their thumb. And so in that sense, death is sort of like a blessing because the devil has to start from scratch. And you think that the devil, yeah, remember, the devil came to Jesus to bow down and worship me, I'll give you all the kingdoms of the world. Well, these kings rule through fear.
You do what they say or they kill you. Republics rule through virtue, that since the people are in charge, the people need to be taught morals and values and be accountable to God. So with that big picture, we see a sales job for dictatorship.
So if you do have a republic and a democracy, and you want to shift it back to a dictatorship, the people won't want to do it. So you have to do a sales job. You use fear. And so whenever there's fear, people will trade freedom for security. And then you promise free stuff. And so a drug dealer could take over a neighborhood two ways. He can come in with guns through fear, or he can give away free drugs and get everybody hooked. And once they're hooked, they come to him for some more drugs and he goes, ah, you want some more? You need to sell yourself in the prostitution.
You need to steal from your neighbor. You need to do this, that, this. And pretty soon these people will do stuff that they had never wanted to do before, but they want to add free stuff. And so there's two ways. And all socialism is, is a trans, Marx, Lenin said socialism is a transition phase to communism. And Karl Marx says, communism can be summed up in one sentence, abolition of private property.
You know, you give up everything you own and you're just basically dependent on the state. So these are tactics that when you understand, you can begin to identify what's going on today. It's the, uh, the sales jobs. So socialism is a cultural bait and switch.
Promises heaven delivers salad. Promises a dream delivers a nightmare. Imagine if older fish could tell younger fish to stay away from shiny things dangling in the water, like a fishing lure, but they can't. So every new generation of younger fish sees this shiny thing, they're attracted to it. Socialism is a shiny thing dangling in the water. Free food, free clothes, free education, free welfare.
Free is attractive. The only problem, there's a hook there. And the quote from Gerald Ford, the government that's big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have. And so that's the, the hook. So, so when socialism comes into a country, uh, it can either come in with guns or it can have fear so that you, uh, in the panic of the moment, you surrender freedom for security. Uh, or they promise you free stuff. And then once you get dependent upon it, they drag the chain, like the carrot in front of the donkey, uh, you give up more. So, uh, anyway, this is some of this, I wrote a book, it's called socialism, the real history from Plato to the present.
Um, and you know, American minute.com is my website. So, so bill, you're, you're talking about socialism and we've really seen a move. Why do you think it's escalated, you know, particularly in the last year and a half and where do you see it going in our country today?
Cause it seems to be so popular, particularly with young people. It's just shocking how quickly this transition has taken place. Yes. These are, uh, tactics that have been perfected for quite a while. Um, for example, um, Britain took over India. How well in 1714, they had a trading post in Bengal and then it turned into a trading Fort with guns. And then they got, they got involved in local politics and they would give guns to one kingdom and then give guns to another kingdom and then stir up ancient animosities between the kingdoms until they bloodied each other up. And the British would come in to restore order by conquering both kingdoms and taking away their guns. And they would do this again and again and again, until they took over all of India, a quarter of the world's population. They tried doing this in America, listed in the declaration of independence that says the King of England has incited insurrection in our country and has stirred up the merciless Savage of the frontier to butcher the inhabitants of our, you know, settlements. And in other words, here's the British coming over and the Americans and the Indians had reached an equilibrium, you know, a peace and the British come in and stir them up and promise them gold for scalps. They did this again during the war of 1812, Fort Mims, Alabama, where the Fort surrendered and the Indians killed and scalped 500 of those that surrendered because they wanted to take them to the British at Pensacola in exchange for, you know, gold and supplies and so forth.
So this strategy has been perfected over the years. One of the big advancements of it was after World War Two. So after World War Two, Germany, France and England give independence to their former colonies. And you have these brand new countries coming into existence that used to be India used to be a British colony.
Now after World War Two, it becomes free. And Egypt turns into its own country in Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Lithuania, Poland, all these countries get to become free. They elect brand new leaders, and it's looking hopeful, except the Soviet Union decides to send in KGB agents.
And they do what Karl Marx called critical theory, where they observe all of the cultural groups in a country ethnically, you know, Bosnian, Croat, Serbs, economically, racially, religiously, Sunni, Shia, you know, Orthodox. And they would break them into groups of victims and oppressors have and have not. And then they would organize protests that they would escalate into riots and violence and bloodshed.
Why? Because once blood is shed, people no longer think rationally, they think emotionally, and they can be manipulated with what's called fear mongering and race baiting. And, and then they would co-opt the media with bribes and threats to blame the new leader of the new country for all of the problems. And they would cultivate weak links in the military. And when the country gets panicky and confused enough, they would do a coup or rigged election and replace the leader with a Soviet puppet. And then the violence would stop.
And everybody would breathe a sigh of relief until they realized they just gave up all their freedoms to a dictator. That's a satellite of the Soviet Union. 45 countries fell to communism this way.
It's called behind the Iron Curtain. And then Iran sides with the Soviet Union. And they nationalize their oil. And you think, well, big deal.
Well, wait a second. Britain has no oil fields. So in 1908, Britain formed the Anglo-Iranian oil company.
You know it better as BP. And so when Iran takes BP, Britain has no oil fields. They appeal to Eisenhower, who approves the first CIA operation to overthrow a country's leader. It's Operation Ajax.
The CIA operative on the ground is Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of Teddy Roosevelt. He goes to Tehran and does the same thing in reverse. He recruits mobsters and gangsters and radical imams. And they stage protests and riots and violence and attack mosques. And they co-opt the media with bribes and threats to blame Mazadek for all of the problems. And when the country gets panicky enough, they do a coup.
They put Mazadek under house arrest, lock him away for the rest of his life where he dies. And they install the Shah, who loved America because we put him in and he did have a rightful claim to the throne. And then the CIA does this again in Guatemala in 1954, the Congo in 1960, Dominican Republic, Chile in 1973. And the KGB does the same thing, with Brezhnev helping Yasser Arafat to take over the PLO there in the Middle East, and Brezhnev helping Castro take over Cuba and hundreds of coup attempts in Latin South America and in Africa. This is called the Cold War.
And these tactics that I just explained have been perfected for 70 years. But we saw under the previous administration that there was a co-opting of the federal departments for political purposes. So Obama's person in charge of the IRS, Lois Lerner, she targets conservative groups. So the IRS is being used to target political groups that are in disagreement with President Obama. And then we see Eric Holder.
He's in contempt of Congress because he is caught red-handed in giving guns to drug gangs in Mexico. And then we see the NSA. You know, President Bush rushed it through so we could, you know, track terrorists. But all of a sudden, we see that it, in its research ability, is digging up dirt on political opponents of that administration.
And we see a co-opting of these things. And so during the Cold War, the CIA has been perfecting these tactics, but they were doing it in other countries to fight the KGB doing it in other countries, and so there was a patriotic element to them. But under that administration, we saw these tactics being used against us on our own soil. The intentional going into communities with the Saul Linsky, you know, rubbing raw the resentment of the people in the community, the breaking into groups, the stirring up of racial tensions for political purposes, and then the coup-type election scenario.
So they would do something in these other countries when they'd co-opt the media. It was called the psychological operation. They realized if they just did the coup and removed a very, very popular leader, the people would protest. But if they get the media to say all kinds of negative things about that leader, and the media reports, oh, it's going to be a really close election when it really isn't, but they say that it is, then when they do the coup, people swallow it, and they just take it. And so it's called the psychological operation, and I could get into it more, but again, the book where I have a lot of this information is called Socialism, the Real History from Plato to the Present.
The subtitle is How the Deep State Capitalizes on Crises to Consolidate Control, and my website is americanminute.com. Bill, it's amazing when you show us the history of how this has been done for the last few centuries, and then we look at what happened leading into this last election, what you just explained is exactly what has happened in our nation. So when we look at history, where it has happened, is there an example?
I'm kind of putting you on the spot here. Is there a way for us to stop this? Are there nations that in the past, throughout history, reversed that process?
And we've only got about five minutes, but is there hope for us? What can we do to stop it? The best thing we can do, I feel, is to slow it down, and look at ancient Israel. So here you have Manasseh, wicked king, the son of Hezekiah, and he's sacrificing kids to Moloch. And the prophets come to him and say, you're killing the streets of Jerusalem with the blood of innocent children.
You're doing the same thing that the people that were here before Israel came and did. And because they were doing it, and I'm a just God, and killing innocent babies is the most unjust thing, I brought Israel in to drive them out, and because you're doing it, I am going to drive you out. So the prophet pronounced judgment on Manasseh. Manasseh has a grandson named Josiah. 8 years old becomes king, 16 years old starts to seek the Lord. 20 years old, he tells him to clean out the temple that his granddad Manasseh had trashed, and they come out of the temple with this old, dusty scroll.
It's the law. And Josephus and the Jewish oral tradition say that it was the last copy of the law on planet Earth, because Manasseh was destroying all the copies of the law. And it was the original one Moses had, it was covered with burlap and in some storage room in the temple, and they read the law to this young king. It's the first time ever in his life he's heard it, and he rips his garments and repents, and he sends to a prophetess in town named Huldah. And the prophetess, she's the wife of the king's tailor, she says, tell the man that sent you that judgment will come, but not during his lifetime, because he repented when he heard the words of the Lord. And so for the rest of the 31-year reign of Josiah, there's peace and prosperity, he sends the Levite priests out, they preach the law everywhere, he tears down Sodomite temples and burns the bones of the priests on their own altars.
And so there's a revival, and it was during that revival that Daniel and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abengo get saved, so to speak, and so there was this reprieve from the judgment. And so here in America, with all the millions of babies being killed, and if it was one thing if they were being killed without us knowing about it, but we not only know about it with the selling of baby body parts, we're funding it. I mean, it bothers me to no end that the Republicans had a majority in the House under Speaker Paul Ryan and in the Senate under Mitch McConnell, and they pushed through funding Planned Parenthood with $500 million. As a disgrace.
And so this is, we're participating through our tax dollars in the killing. What's it just God's supposed to do? In law, silence equals consent. Remember wedding ceremonies and the pastor would say, anybody against this wedding, speak now or forever hold your peace.
If you're there and you're holding your peace, your silence is giving consent to the wedding. So if there are sins going on and God is silent, he is effectively giving consent to the sin. And if God gives consent to sin, he's no longer a just God. He denies his just nature. He denies himself. And so his very nature pushes him to judge when we repent of our sins, then he can put off the judgment and still be a just God.
And then, of course, when there's been there's a quote from George Mason, one of the founding fathers, he said, he's the father of the Bill of Rights. He says, nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world. They must be in this by an inevitable chain of consequences and events. God punishes national sins with national calamities.
So we have two things going on. One is individuals, and we sin, and through Jesus being the Lamb of God, died on the cross, and he took the judgment for all of our sins, then we approach this perfectly just God through Jesus, and since we're trusting in the blood of Christ, we don't get judged because Jesus took the judgment in our place. But as far as nations go, the nation doesn't necessarily think this is the next world, so any judgment must come in this. And so God judged the world, but saved Noah and the ark. He judged Jerusalem, but he saved Jeremiah.
He judged a famine there in Israel, but fed Elijah. So we see that there's the individual and there's the nation, but as a nation, we need to repent. All repentance as an individual starts with each of our own hearts. Americanminute.com is my website. Thanks, Bill. That's a great place for us to end it today as our time has run out.
We're going to have to have you back. But go to Americanminute.com, his website. There's great information there. You can purchase his new book, Socialism, the Real History, and many, many more of his books. But sign up to receive his daily email and learn about history each and every day. It's only a minute.
It's really quick and easy, but you'll learn so much about what happened on that day in history. And remember as we close what he said, there can be a reprieve from judgment, but the only way to have that is to repent as a nation. Repent means that we don't just ask for forgiveness, but we change our ways. We do a U-turn and turn from our wicked ways.
And a big way to do that is stop killing millions of babies. Bill, thank you so much for being here. We sure appreciate it. It's an honor to have you on the show. Well, thank you at any time. Well, thank you, Bill.
So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for joining us today. I'm Chris Hughes, and this is The Christian Perspective. Thank you for listening, and I hope that you will subscribe and like our podcast, and please share it with your friends on social media. Now let's go change the culture for Jesus.
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